A Much Need Poll -- Travis, Hold or Fold?
I love Travis, and want him to stay a Trailblazer.
This is not blind love. I see that he doesn't consistently box out on the defensive boards. I see the defensive lapses and the apparently ill-advised shots (though more of them go in than you would think deserve to go in). I see that his passing isn't always the best.
Doesn't matter, though. There's a lot he brings. I'm not going to go into it, someone else can. I just wanted to put that stuff there to say that if you talk about those things in the comments, they aren't going to change my mind. I am glad Travis Outlaw is a Trailblazer, and want us to hold him.
If KP decides to fold, I'll assume he knows more than me. But this fanpost is about what I want. I don't even care if it costs us a couple of wins to keep him. Sure, if KP can trade him for LeBron, we should at least consider that. But Travis is a Trailblazer, and I hope he always will be.
If you read the Bedge much, you will see a lot more comments saying, "Trade Travis" than you will comments saying, "Keep Travis." Or at least, it seems like it. I'm betting that I'm in the majority, though -- that a lot more people around here want to hold on Travis than fold on Travis.
So if you are in the relatively silent majority that want to keep Travis, here's your chance to be heard. All it takes is a click of the button. You don't even have to comment if you don't want to. Even if all the comments on this thread are for dumping Travis, the numbers at the top will tell the real story.
And if you want to trade Travis, you'd better warm up your fingers and click away, because most Blazer fans love the guy, and you're going to lose this vote. But try to make it at least close enough so KP will think there will be SOME fans left if he trades Travis.
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Every player
that I’ve predicted would go in a trade has gone, often up to two years in advance. Jack, Sergio, Travis is next. Sorry, aw shucks.
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
by broggerboy19 on Aug 15, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 for the
“aw shucks”
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Aug 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the entire team.
Travis is the only one left!
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Are you implying that I’ve predicted we would trade someone other than who I mentioned?
Gonna need some proof of that one, buddy. Nice try, though.
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by broggerboy19 on Aug 17, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
“often up to two years in advance”?
Here’s my statement “Every player that I’ve predicted would retire has done so, often up to 12 years in advance. Clyde, Porter, Roy is next. Sorry, B-Roy”.
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by TheOdenator on Aug 17, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope outlaw retires as a traillazer
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Aug 15, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you vote?
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by jscot on Aug 15, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did YOU?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Aug 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the first "Keep Travis" vote on the poll
because I’m so quick on the mouse click. No one had a chance.
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by jscot on Aug 16, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voted to keep.
I don’t want him to be our third option, but what he brings to the table is valuable despite his well-documented drawbacks.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Aug 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As someone pointed out a little while ago:
What other player can you name without research that does as much as Outlaw for 3.something mil?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Aug 15, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my list of big men who match Outlaw's salary
Luis Scola 3,284,667
Carl Landry 3,000,000
Marc Gasol 3,240,000
Kurt Thomas 3,800,000
Amir Johnson 3,666,667
Kevin Love 3,401,040
Matt Bonner 3,256,500
Kris Humphries 3,200,000
Brian Scalabrine 3,413,793
Steven Hunter 3,696,000
Fabricio Oberto 3,800,000
Brian Cook 3,500,000
Add the 2.3 mil from the Euros coming off the cap in November and KP can shop with around 6 mil
That opens the door for names like Jeff Foster or Ronny Turiaf
I think Travis is a great kid, but his game is not conducive to winning playoff series, and that’s what Portland needs to be all about, going forward. Nate cannot afford to have a “weak link” in his team defensive rotations, especially when it comes time to get a key “stop/rebound” and win close games down the stretch.
Now that Miller has arrived, the Blazers shouldn’t need to rely on Outlaw’s ability to elevate and shoot jumpers to win ballgames. Trout’s time of effectiveness in PDX has passed, it’s time for Blazer fans to “let him go” (He’d be better off on a rebuilding team where he can get his 25-30 mpg and take as many “green-light” jumpers as he wants…Memphis and Hollins would be a great fit)
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by two4larue on Aug 15, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and Dante Cunningham
will make everyone forget about Travis in a year or two, anyway. He’s a better all-around player who fills the same 3-4 role
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by two4larue on Aug 15, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So so true
Cunningham is gonna be the man. He killed it in summer league. I see him as a thicker, better rebounding menace. Time for the last of the vortex’s to go. lets get rid of him while his value is hecka high and we can get something decent from someone who is willing to start him since that is what he wants anyway and will not be happy with out it
What's the differance of 3-6 mil? oh about 20+ more losses, and the chance to watch the only star leave by the end of the season. Suck it Hedo!
Who is that you ask, well that shell of a man with his junk tucked away I think his name is Hedo. At least he used to be.
Canzano is a joke. When you see him kick him in the BUTT for me!
by in~ur~fizace on Aug 16, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's be honest here
I think the question posed is ridiculous, but Steven Hunter, Cook, Oberto, Humphries and Scalabrine were straight up stiffs last year. No way were they even close to Outlaw. Thomas is questionable, Outlaw can certainly do things he can’t but Thomas may arguably bring more as a vet.
Bonner and Amir were probably roughly Trout’s equals last year, probably slightly worse. Scola, Gasol, Landry and Love were clearly better, though.
Regardless, what doesn’t make sense is pumping up how cheap he is while he’s in the final year of his contract. None of us would bother to post about how LaMarcus is so valuable because he’s so inexpensive, because we all know he’s due for a massive raise next year. While Trout’s raise will be undoubtedly less massive, if he ends up making something like $7 million a year, the whole “bargain” argument goes out the window.
by Royster on Aug 15, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't say I wanted them all
I just listed PFs who fit the criteria of Outlaw’s contract, and I realize that most of the “good” names on that list probably won’t be made available, even “if” Travis and his expiring contract were to be dangled
But the second option is more likely: combine Trout and the Euro cap-holds and get 6 mil to go after a veteran PF like Foster or Turiaf. Are those guys “better” than Travis? That depends on what you need, and following the Houston series all I was hearing was that KP was going to try to add more “toughness and physicality” to the roster. Certainly he drafted with this in mind, but (as Nate said, following Pendergraph and Cunningham’s pre-draft workout) they’re still just “rookies” and they won’t be the answer in the post season when there’s early foul trouble and 2 of Joel/Greg/LMA are stuck on the bench and Nate needs one more big guy to stick in the game for 4-5 minutes. That’s when you’ll be glad to see someone who’s “better” (or at least “tougher”) than Outlaw or Frye taking his warmup jersey off and checking into the ballgame
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by two4larue on Aug 16, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem I see
with adding a “defense only” power foward, is Outlaw is still a HUGE part of the offense. If Webster shows he is back to 10-12 pts a game, AND Batum proves he can do more than 5 pts a game, I am with you. But as it stands, Jeff Foster and Joel as back up 4 and 5 leaves the Blazers with very little offense in that second unit.
by bad karma on Aug 16, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 braziliion
What's the differance of 3-6 mil? oh about 20+ more losses, and the chance to watch the only star leave by the end of the season. Suck it Hedo!
Who is that you ask, well that shell of a man with his junk tucked away I think his name is Hedo. At least he used to be.
Canzano is a joke. When you see him kick him in the BUTT for me!
by in~ur~fizace on Aug 16, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you get a Ron
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Aug 24, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can pay a lot of players 3+ million to not play defense.
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by Arby on Aug 15, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want him as our third option, either
FWIW.
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by jscot on Aug 16, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis is necessary
he is like channing frye, but more useful. His personality belongs in Portland and he enhances the locker room chemistry. If he didn’t contribute on offense it would be justifiable to dump him, but he produces, and so, he should stay
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by blazersfan50 on Aug 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Channing Frye?
Love Channing. Bright, fun. But Channing Frye is no Travis Outlaw (and that’s not all bad).
Travis is a scoring machine. If he could learn how to be a guarding machine too, Travis might even have a shot at the all-star game in his career.
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never vote unless there's an "Undecided" option.
I like Travis on the team more for his personality than his skills, but he has one basketball skill that I really value: when he steps on the court, opposing players say, “UH-oh!”
by MiledAnimal on Aug 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh, I voted to trade.
I don’t like to hate on him, cuz he’s such a great personality, but I feel in order for this team to take the next step we just can’t have players log heavy minutes with big holes in their game like Travis. I love the guy, and will be sad if he goes, but I love the blazers more. I think we can get better rounded production from the back-up 4 spot.
by dario argento on Aug 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see his minutes drop to about 15 pg
I don’t want to see him logging 30 unless his defense steps up and he learns to rebound.
If he leaves at the end of the year because he wants more minutes, make it be his choice, not ours.
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by jscot on Aug 16, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure. I would love to see Trout be able to play just 15 minutes a game for us.
I just don’t see that happening though. He has said in interviews he wants to start, and wants to be an all-star. IMHO he is sure to leave next year, otherwise we probably would have extended him. That is why I am positive he will be traded this year. KP will want value for him, rather than letting him walk.
by dario argento on Aug 17, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Travis a lot
but I just think his trade value should be pretty high and his necessity to the Blazers is dropping. It’s a perfect time to trade him.
by Kaboomm on Aug 15, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The question should not be whether we SHOULD trade him.
The question will be, what are we being offered for him. I value him a little more than most BEdgers. But Travis in a package with dollars for a serious up-grade (maybe Turiaf) to fill our last roster need for years to come? I wouldn’t turn it down.
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough minutes for him in a contract year, and it seems that negotiations next summer could be very interesting. With his unrestricted status and lots of free agent money available, I wouldn’t be surprised for a team jilted by the megastars to overpay him. Just today there was a hoopsworld article about him being a fallback option for the Nets…. the Blazers can’t afford to put serious money into Travis when Greg, Nic, Rudy, Brandon, LaMarcus, etc. will demand big bucks.
His value to another team is higher than it is to the Blazers in all probability, due to there being a lack of minutes available in Portland.
Also, where is his head right now? He’s been replaced twice this offseason, first by Hedo and then by Millsap. Though both plans fell through, he certainly can’t feel great about his position in Portland. I’m sure he’s also looked at the depth chart and seen Nic explode in Europe.
It would seem mutually beneficial to trade him at this point.
optimism ftw
by Cablinasian on Aug 15, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RT: Just today there was a hoopsworld article about him being a fallback option for the Nets
and last month AK1984 proposed a 3-team deal where Oultlaw went to NJ and Jeff Foster (plus draft choices) came to Portland
I also think that KP got Roy’s “thumb’s up” on an Outlaw deal last month when it appeared that Hedo was going to sign with the Blazers. It’s almost like the Blazers have “moved on” without Travis (mentally) but now he’ll be back at fall camp after all…it will be interesting to see how this plays out. My suspicion is that the longer KP holds onto Trout, the worse deal he’ll receive in return (ref: Sergio) and we already know that KP doesn’t like to mess with team chemistry by making a mid-season change
So, we’ll see how things stand by the end of preseason. If Webster’s foot looks healthy and there’s a team out there who thinks they need another scoring forward and they’re willing to “overpay” to get Outlaw, I think KP will pull the trigger and save everyone the headache of “not enough PT to go around” (and hopefully fill the backup PF position with an experienced veteran at the same time)
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by two4larue on Aug 15, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Foster is not a viable option for the Blazers… a Foster/Przybilla frontcourt would be downright offensive on the offensive end.
I do think Travis will be moved, though not before the season starts.
optimism ftw
by Cablinasian on Aug 15, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The desperation for a backup 4 too often causes people to ignore that it isn’t just any 4 you need, you need someone who can be effective next to Joel. With Joel, you run the risk of playing 4 on 5 offensively. At 3 on 5, you’ll have a hard time scoring.
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by jscot on Aug 16, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, Jscot
I love almost all your stuff but your “4 on 5” comments about Przy are wearing on me, just a little.
However, I agree with your sentiments about Travis.
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by jamon51 on Aug 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
whether it is the fault of Joel or the fault of Nate for not calling plays that use him or the fault of the players for not looking for Joel. The fact is, Joel has not been a factor offensively for us.
If we used his pick-setting more, that would help. The only thing he really contributes offensively is offensive rebounding. That helps, but even so it isn’t generating a lot of scores for us.
Joel got 5.5 ppg. He got 2.5 offensive rebounds per game, and gave up a turnover per game on very few touches of the ball. This is not something that causes teams to adjust their defensive game plan.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's hardly 4 on 5
4 on 5 implies that if he simply stood at the defensive end and never ran down the court, we wouldn’t lose a single bit of offense. That’s just not true—he may only be a small help, but a help nonetheless.
Maybe I’m just being too literal.
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by jamon51 on Aug 17, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
It isn’t meant to be literal, but if you are too literal, others probably are as well.
I’ll not use it anymore. It doesn’t really add anything. If I forget, please remind me.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got your back on this one...
Especially if you look at trying to put Joel on the floor in the final two minutes of the game in any other situation but defense. It may be too literal to say 4 on 5 but if you watch the defense when Joel is on the floor, there is some serious sagging and double teaming going on from his defender. Sometimes the Blazers take advantage, and maybe Miller will be able to utilize Joel’s pick and Roll abilities more than anyone since Van Exel, but it is fair to say that the defense is ignoring Joel which causes problems for the Blazer offense, especially in crunch time minutes.
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by tssbro on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it change his offensive efficiency if you factor in offensive rebounds?
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 17, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't really based my comments on stats
This is the first time I cited those stats, I think. It’s simply that he isn’t given the ball, he isn’t used in the flow of the offense, they rarely look to dish to him when driving the lane, he does get a lot of turnovers for the amount he touches the ball.
Whether this is a coaching decision, and whether or not it is the right one given his limitations, I couldn’t know without seeing practices.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foster can shoot effectively out to 17 feet
and along with Joel, Jeff could set screens to free up jump shooters like Rudy and Martell
Besides, we’re not talking about a major regular-season role for Foster, but this kind of player would be invaluable as an injury replacement and/or in case of foul trouble that will inevitably crop up during playoff games
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by two4larue on Aug 16, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like the idea of trading Travis for a player that could be useful as injury replacement. Travis was an important cog of last year’s team… if we did trade him, I’d try to go after a future from Memphis. That would clear up cap space very effectively.
Jeff Foster had a eFG% of 32% on jumpers last season… meaning that other teams would be perfectly alright with him shooting them. They’d play a zone and we would be stumped.
optimism ftw
by Cablinasian on Aug 16, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link for the Foster stats.
optimism ftw
by Cablinasian on Aug 16, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't draw a lot of free throws, either
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys spend far too much time ...
… playing junior psycharitrist.
What is with all the speculation on a player’s mind set? None of us have any idea what these guys think.
Besides, if you are going to speculate, use a bit of common sense. It’s “Aw shucks” Travis you are talking about. He’s probaby spent more thought on getting some good fishing in than worrying about the potential effect of off seasn moves by Portland. And why should he worry? He knows that if he wants PT all he has to do is earn it in practice and on the court.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Aug 17, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he knows the areas he needs to improve
Book it.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoopsworld thinks the Nets should have him on their radar, and that he could make an 8 figure salary next year
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13583
That’s probably overrated. But if such an offer came in next offseason, the Blazers couldn’t hold him. Maybe they won’t be able to do so anyway, if he wants more playing time and a starring role for his future a team like the Nets, Grizzlies, etc. are better for him. However if he wants a championship, he’ll have to settle for a contract similar to Martell’s, and that should be a very fair deal for both sides.
I don’t see Travis getting traded any time soon – and wouldn’t want to. As of right now, you’ll be hard pressed to find a player who provides instant offense incl. good outside shooting, not being afraid to take big shots, and better rebounding or defense on the 3 or 4 spot for around $4 million per season. So matching contracts with interesting players to get for him isn’t easy, and teams aren’t likely to trade those players to us either.
And not as long the Blazers have no idea how Martell will come back. Maybe if Martell is putting up solid minutes and numbers at the deadline and Nicolas is showing that they should really play him rather 30 than 20 minutes, that’s when the minutes crunch on SF gets so tough (incl. Rudy/Roy playing some time there) that one guy has to and will want to go. Travis won’t be happy and best used backing up LaMarcus for 10-15 minutes a game, and there are other PF backups who would fit that job description better.
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by Norsktroll on Aug 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Voted to trade him...
but it isn’t an issue of liking or disliking him or saying to trade him for whatever the Blazers can get or even to trade him today. What he has brought to the Blazers over the last two years is scoring ability off the bench and a second go to guy in the fourth quarter. These have been essential to the team’s success.
What I would like to see happen is Webster to prove he is back 100% and ready to step into the role Travis played last year coming off the bench. Start Batum and bring Webster in as scoring punch off the bench with Rudy. I would also like to see if Miller can step up and be a 4th quarter contributor and clutch playmaker. If those two things happen, Outlaw can then be moved for something the Blazers need, a back up PF who can rip down rebounds and shut down a low post threat on D.
It isn’t an issue of moving him to move him, but he has enough missing from his game that if you can replace what he brings with other players, why not use him to get what you need?
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by tssbro on Aug 15, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody checking him on Twitter?
It sounds like he’s working his tail off in Mississippi this summer, and that he’s out to prove everybody wrong. Then again, the proof is in the pudding. I’m eager to see where he’s at when he gets to camp.
There’s no big hurry to move him, though if LA gets hurt it will suck having Pendergraph as our only real PF.
by shuppatsu on Aug 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If LMA gets hurt and we still have Travis
Then Pendegraph wil absolutely be our ONLY PF.
by Odenrising on Aug 15, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is one more trade coming.
Though it’s likely during the season, after the Euros come off the cap.
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends what he has been working on
If Travis comes back to Portland with improved upper-body strength and wants to fill the backup PF role by banging, defending the post and rebounding, then by all means keep him around. He’s at the age where players of his size should start “filling out” and you only have to look at his dad (“big John”) to see Travis’ potential as a future 250+ pounder
But if all Outlaw has been working on is his jumper this summer then it’s “thanks, but no thanks” He’s been notorious for coming to fall camp and failing his running requirement, part of that may be due to his asthma but it seems fishy to me that he’s finally working out in the offseason now that he’s heading into his “contract year”? I don’t think he’s going to get enough PT (or shots) in Portland to impress the rest of the GMs and get the “8 figure payday” that he and his agent are probably hoping for…not unless he gets traded early in the season to a team who has a need for a scoring forward (in the 6th man role). I wouldn’t be surprised that if “everyone” is healthy that we won’t start hearing “rumblings” from the Outlaw camp similar to the noise from Sergio last fall.
Remember…it’s not personal, it’s just business
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by two4larue on Aug 15, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Joel and Greg can be effective as the Twin Towers
Is that The Plan?
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an option
If a bruiser PF is giving us trouble, Greg may have regained enough agility to defend a player like that this year.
For that to be effective, we need Greg to be able to stay on the court. But I think most people are expecting some improvement on that front this year.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
voted to keep
those of you who think we can get more out of the backup 4 than what travis gave us must have only watched the playoffs. Sure it left a bad taste in my mouth, but Travis despite his fault is well above average at the backup 4. I wouldn’t want him as a starter but as a backup he’s a great piece, just like Blake. Outlaw should stay.
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by nima on Aug 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RT: must have only watched the playoffs
I actually commented after a L*ker game (in March) that if Outlaw didn’t show more defense and rebounding in the playoffs than he showed in that “playoff preview” there would be Bedgers who would advocate dealing him this offseason
All of us have watched Travis play for years, and no one is discounting his offensive skills. As an uptempo backup PF during the regular season he’s a great fit for a team that needs instant offense. But as a playoff backup PF he doesn’t offer enough defense and rebounding to help the team get critical stops and control the basketball. The Blazers already have “enough” offensive-minded players, what they still need is a better interior defender to back-up LMA. (The rookie PFs are a step in the right direction, but they don’t have the experience that a team with WCF aspirations will require.) One untimely injury to Joel, Greg or LMA will expose a weakness that Outlaw cannot possibly fill. One more veteran big man is a necessity, and Travis’ expiring contract is the best expendable asset that KP has to offer
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by two4larue on Aug 15, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis can't be traded for equivalent value, so why trade him?
He’s a clutch shooter in the fourth quarter and doesn’t hesitate to take the game winning shot if it’s there for him. He’s athletic and committed to improving his game, even if he’s not the most savvy player on the team. He’s 25 years old and not in his prime yet, but has a full seven years of NBA experience.
The Blazers have spent that time turning him into a legitimate offensive threat, I don’t think they want to deal him for less value or lose him to free agency. But Travis isn’t anxious to leave. He quietly signed the three year extension in when he could have commanded more money in the open market as a restricted free agent. If the team has a role for him, I think Travis stays.
by baduk on Aug 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
One question
If Travis hits the game tying shot with 5 seconds left in game 4, do you still vote for him to be traded? Even if the Blazers go on to win the series? We lost that second set of games in Houston by a combined four points. Everyone remembers Travis missing that shot, but Brandon turned the ball over with 10 seconds left and us down by two in the same game.
Travis was money for us last year, and he was pretty darn good the season before too. No way you trade that guy. There are going to be situations where a guy like Travis is exactly what the team needs to win.
by baduk on Aug 15, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
others have made this point
but it bears repeating.
Yes, Travis has ice-water in his veins and has hit some big shots to win games for Portland. But if you track his overall impact in those games, how many times did his defensive lapses put the team behind the 8-ball to the point where the game came down to a last-second shot? There’s the rub. I’d rather see a boring game where the Blazers have a comfortable lead because they played great team defense and won the game before the final 30 seconds. Watching Roy (etc) shooting FTs to seal the win because the other team is fouling in desperation may not be as exciting as a last-second miracle shot from Trav, but the “W” counts just the same
Outlaw played the 3rd most minutes on the team last year, but seven (7!) Blazers accumulated a better win-share percentage than Travis. His minutes should be reduced, and they will be if Webster and Batum can stay healthy
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by two4larue on Aug 15, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Precisely
Sign a vet to the vet minimum to fill the needs for those situations when Travis is not the answer. Or hope that Pendergraph fills that role.
But you keep Travis for those situations when Travis is exactly what you need.
We have roster spots available for both.
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by jscot on Aug 16, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, unless you can upgrade and finish the roster
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have been ok
if Utah hadn’t matched, with including Travis in a trade.
But Travis is too good to just dump for a mediocre banger who will play 12 mpg.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Travis will walk at the end of the season and then we get nothing for him.
We need another big that is both a backup PF and backup C. If we lose Oden or Joel to injury I don’t want to see LMA playing 24 mpg at backup center. We badly need another quality backup PF/C. Since Travis is going to be limited to primarily 12-15 mpg at backup PF this year anyway (assume Martell comes back, Batum improves and deserves more minutes, and Rudy needs more minutes) why not trade him for what we need while we can?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 17, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You state as fact
that which is not certain.
Travis stayed in Portland for not very much money last time. At least until the fan base turned on him, he loved it in Portland. Maybe he still does, I don’t know. I suspect he gets a lot of love once the season starts.
As someone else said, I really want to see what Andre does for his offensive game.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the difference is that last time Outlaw
may have expected to become a starter here, or at least maintain major minutes. Now he must know he won’t become a starter since Batum got that role last year, and I don’t see where he gets the same minutes this year with Marty coming back. Do you?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 17, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Perhaps 20 mpg, possibly a few less.
Unless he magically turned into a rebounding beast over the summer.
For Travis, there comes the question, does he really want to leave? He was part of the start of this journey, and it probably won’t reach it’s climax this year. Does he want to bail out just before we get there, to go to a bad team just so he can be a starter? Most players never have a chance at a ring, and Travis might have a chance at a lot of them if he is willing to be a role player.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voted keep him
Travis has been a key player for 2 years now. He creats his own shot, and has improved in every catigory every year. Travis creates as many advantages as he does disadvantages on the court. This will be his last year with the Blazers though. I expect Boston, or Clevland to take serious looks at him this off season.
by bad karma on Aug 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted keep him because I like him
no other reason
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by Honka Playboy on Aug 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis will win some games and I like him.
Rudy Tootie..... I just don't get it
Tweener
by Kampeska on Aug 15, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade
He doesn’t do anything except score and doesn’t even do that efficiently. Batum is already better than he is and he’s just a 20 year old kid from France. It doesn’t help that his defense is awful.
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Just because I value rebounds and shooting efficiency doesn't mean I want to argue with you for hours about Wages of Wins.
by Muad'Dib on Aug 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Correction: Batum is THE 20-year-old kid from France!
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum is great
Is it impossible that Outlaw is better? – Elgin
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by 22baylor on Aug 24, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be looking to deal him
I don’t like him playing the 4, and I don’t want him taking minutes from Batum.
by jksnake99 on Aug 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is essentially my thoughts
Travis doesn’t quite fit anywhere and he has solid trade value. I wouldn’t mind keeping him or trading him.
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by Magnum on Aug 15, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he focused on rebounding, defending and taking good shots
then I’d def say keep him. With his length athleticism he should be getting alot more boards and blocking alot more shots. But I doubt this will happen so I voted to trade him. We don’t necessarily need his scoring w/ Miller, Rudy and hopefully Martell coming back healthy and he is not even that efficient of a scorer and scoring is the easiest skill set to replace in the NBA IMO.
by MitchRich23 on Aug 15, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya gotta know when to hold 'em!
And that’s what we should be doing. He just brings so much to the table offensively. He can run, shoot, jump high, twist and slash ….. and he does all this at 6’ 9". Nate nearly always had him on the court in crucial 4th quarter minutes last year. That should tell us something.
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by TwoDeep on Aug 15, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Voting keep
I’m not against trading him IF the right deal comes along. There’s no reason though to dump him off just to get rid of him. He helps more than he hurts.
Voting keep but would be ok with a trade that brought back better talent.
by Bskey on Aug 15, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A vote for Travis
is a vote for for entertainment. Vote for entertainment.
by oregonslee on Aug 15, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted to keep.
The chances of landing a veteran backup PF for him are minimal. His contract, $4M, as I recall, is manageable. What he does on the floor is not replicable. His defense is middling but not terrible. His inability to pass is incorrigible. But the way he can leap to get his shot is phenomenal.
There’s always a deal at the trade deadline if it becomes a problem. Realistically, he’s going to leave to free agency after this season and his role will be filled by The Inferno in the near future.e
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by timbo on Aug 15, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Mostly Agree, but the fact we will lose him to free agency is a reason to trade him
Travis has value. If we will not re-sign him, shouldn’t we try to leverage a guy like Turiaf with him?
by LaoTzu on Aug 16, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to reserve the right to delay my vote...
Until after we see whether or not Webster is recovered. If he is and can contribute, we trade Outlaw. If not, we have to keep him.
by lethaldose on Aug 15, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Trade him
if Martell is good to go. Travis needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With the addition of Andre there will be no time on the rock for TO, and rightfully so, not terribly efficient with the ball and only generates offense for himself. We will not need his offense anymore. Blake, Rudy, Martell, Joel, and Cunningham off the bench.
O.R.
by Odenrising on Aug 15, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely want to keep Travis.
Not just because he is one of my favorite personalities on the team, and a much liked piece of our team chemistry. I marvel at his athleticism and jumping ability. He has developed into a shooter. I’m not sold on all the “celiling” pronouncements. I think he can learn as he is motivated. I think his failing in the playoffs was a motivator. I think he wants to be with the team, and will respond to coaching to help him with his weaknesses.
I like the drama, the “oh no, oh yes!”. He is fun on and off the court. If it comes down to we don’t need what he has to offer, then good for him to go where he can be fully utilized and appreciated. We have not established that we have little use for Travis on the bench at this point. It is not like he is costing us a lot.
I like that he gets out there and does “have fun”. He can enjoy the big shot. He keeps it a game. You don’t have to work to get Travis to “have fun out there”. I like his attitude. As long as he is happy here, and not making a lot of demands, I’m glad we have him available. And I don’t expect him to be going anywhere soon.
by Berkeley on Aug 15, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted to keep!!!
Outlaw is one of my favorite jersey to wear at an opponent’s arena
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Aug 15, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we keep Trout for the full season, will he be a restrictred or unrestricted free agent next off season?
If he’s an RFA, I could see another team making him an offer that the blazers are unwilling to match.
Either way, I think it’s probably in the Blazers best interest to let him walk if they don’t trade him this season.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Aug 15, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UFA
this is another (though not the best) reason for dealing TO before Feb, you risk letting him walk away without compensation next July. A good GM will always try to make full use of all his assets. If Outlaw is not in the Blazers long-term future (ref Hedo, Millsap) then it would be wise for KP to make a deal before Travis’ trade value completely slips away
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by two4larue on Aug 16, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've thought of that, too
That might be the only reason to trade him, if they are certain he’s leaving.
But we didn’t trade Channing….
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNEW there was a reason for my enthrallment, oh Enlightened Emperor.
#25
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Aug 15, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hold on! Sit quietly, I'll go get a thermometer and a
sphygmomanometer.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Aug 16, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll always think of Shaq as #34.. the scene etched in my memory is the alley-oop from Kobe in 2000. Ugh.
optimism ftw
by Cablinasian on Aug 16, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Dante?
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by Norsktroll on Aug 16, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
voted keep
For now. He’s proven that he can be an effective weapon off the bench and he helped us win a lot of games last year. However, I think he looked absolutely horrible in the playoffs. I think he might want a trade after next season with Batum, Webster, Cunningham all taking his minutes. It would have to be a trade that was good for both the Blazers and Travis for me to say trade him.
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by koyote on Aug 15, 2009 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Travis unless the deal's just too good
He’s frickin’ hilarious and probably has a ton of locker room value. Who keeps the team in good spirits after a loss? Doesn’t that contribute to a quicker adjustment for the next game? Plus, knock on wood, he’s healthy and stays that way. Nate trusts him, obviously, as a successful offensive option. He doesn’t complain off the bench. He doesn’t get down on himself because of all the bitching/trade talk WE do about him here.
Am I wrong? Doesn’t every team need one clown?
- one very missed (by the team) funny offensive forward
+ one very ‘tough’ defensive forward
= one very different vibe
P.S. Berkeley, I realize your post (rec) is very similar and I considered posting as a reply but I think I hit a few different points.
by by on Aug 16, 2009 1:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Webster is the bigger clown, actually
Travis is more quiet, from what Quick has shared behind the scenes. Outlaw is “everybody’s friend” but the NBA is still a business, and the Blazers have already made overtures about replacing #25 this offseason (Hedo, Millsap, Givony’s Memphis rumor)
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by two4larue on Aug 16, 2009 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 reasons why we don’t want to trade Travis, he fits to well with our current lineup.
Oden – Killer Whale
Roy – Shark
Andre – Penguin
LMA – Salmon
Batum – Barracuda
Bayless – Dunkleosteus (a prehistoric shark)
Travis – Trout
Blake – Guppy
Of course a few names would need changed.
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by Blazer1342 on Aug 16, 2009 1:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the offer, I think
If the options are keep Travis or give him away, then definitely keep him. And if nobody’s offering anything good for him, keep him. But he should be (as he has been for the past year or so) on the market.
I think the interesting question is how much you need to get back to let Travis go. I would love the Blake + Outlaw for Conley deal the Blazers turned down last year – but with the vast improvement in Conley’s game since that offer was on the table, it’s unlikely Memphis agrees to anything like that.
Another interesting name is Udonis Haslem. Is he worth a ton more than Trout? I think they might have roughly comparable value. Haslem makes more dough, but if pieces could be worked out, and Martell got healthy, Haslem would make a lot of sense for Portland.
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by KP Corleone on Aug 16, 2009 6:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haslem makes sense… I think he’s a step down in talent but an excellent fit. eFG% of 43 on jumpers, decent rebounder at 14.4%.
optimism ftw
by Cablinasian on Aug 16, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... Haslem is less dynamic and won't take over a 4th on offense...
…but more of a real PF and rebounder, who can hit a jumper, play tough, and fill in as an undersized center as well.
I do not WANT to trade Travis, as I love Travis and so does everyone on the team, but I am fine with him going in a deal that helps us. He is not a keep-at-all-costs non-big-three-guy like Batum, for example. He has improved greatly over the last 6 years, but I would be surprised if he becomes ‘more’… more of a defender, rebounder, anything other than an instant offense guy.
BUT, instant offense off the bench is ALWAYS needed. A guy who can break the other team’s back. Your 1st unit’s offense just isn’t clicking that night, this guy can get ya back in the game. You just can’t expect more than that, and the ol’ “heat-check” needs to be in effect… if he ain’t hitting, get him out. He doesn’t offer anything else.
You do not give away a nice, young, talented piece of tail like Outlaw for nuthin’. You only move him if you get value back.
Since it is a contract year, and I am pro-player in addition to being pro-Blazer, I think it may even be in Travis’ best interest to be moved as soon as possible to as bad of a team as possible. I have 0.00000% doubt in my head that if you put Outlaw on the Timberwolves or Knicks, he’s putting up Rudy Gay type numbers… now, I think Gay is mad overrated and not very good, but a young SF who puts up 17 points a game and some rebounds and dunks is a young SF who gets paid. Outlaw could easily do that, with minutes, and without having good players better than him who need shots like we do.
I guess in a roundabout way I am supporting trading him, under two conditions: either it is a good deal for us (no giveaways), or it is a Sergio type trade… putting Outlaw in as good of a situation as possible to earn his next deal. Trade him somewhere awful for a future 1st round pick.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 16, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In general
I don’t see a lot here to disagree with.
I don’t want him to be traded, because that instant offense is so valuable.
But I could see how having someone like Haslem could help us, and how trading Travis could help him.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year's Team
Needs to be considered as well, if Claver is as advertised, perhaps a deal is done for Trout with that in mind and KP risks that one of the two rooks can play 10 mpg at the 4 or we pick up a vet for one year. Maybe Nate has to play small ball more (Webs and Nic at the same time)…real risk is LMA getting injured then.
by DucRider on Aug 17, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that we don't have Frye
LMA getting hurt is something I don’t wanna think about. For all of Frye’s faults, he’s at least a serviceable PF who can start in a pinch.
If LMA gets hurt, it is a Outlaw and Oden/Joel frontline. Oden and Joel can compensate for the lack of rebounding, but not Outlaw’s defense against real starting PFs. It might not be pretty.
So… don’t get hurt, LMA! At least not till we have an actual PF behind you who is experienced and we know what he can do.
THAT’S AN ORDER, BUDDY.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 17, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who does not want a tall, athletic Wing, who can give you some awesome dunks to watch
plus he is clutch. but he is going to go. i will miss him. he has great trade value as well
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by bowdown on Aug 16, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
People who'd rather have intelligent, fundamentally sound, multi-dimensional players who compete all the time
to answer the question
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by leeroyjenkins on Aug 17, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote go
Playoff choke jobs are a big no go for me, and his other shortcomings are well-known. He is a great guy and has the BEST nickname (Catfish) in the league.
by goblazer1 on Aug 16, 2009 2:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is not the only one who choked in the playoffs.
by Bskey on Aug 16, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Better trade 8 guys, and some would say the coach.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Including Brandon for his last second turnover to lose the game.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 17, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh Outlaw was easily the guy who had the biggest gap between expectations and reality
Going into last season’s playoffs.
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by leeroyjenkins on Aug 17, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy?
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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Aug 17, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy played well in the playoffs.
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by Cablinasian on Aug 21, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis may only be a situational player, but you need those on championship teams. Keep him.
Is there some big need to trade Travis that I do not know about? Will the Blazers immediately win a championship if is he is gone? I don’t think so.
Yes, Travis has weaknesses, but he also has some pretty amazing strengths. My biggest problem with him is the way he is used. McMillan’s robo subbing patterns don’t make him accountable enough in the short term (for his periodic lack of effort). Even his own mother criticized him last year for waiting until the fourth quarter to start playing. Surely McMillan is smarter than Travis’ mother?
I say play him when the effort is there, and sit him when it is not. Many people seem to be underestimating the toughness of DC and JP. We are fine for now. Travis can be used as a spare part for now if we so decide—we need to trust McMillan and KP a little bit on this one. And personally, I want to see Andre Miller’s effect on him.
There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.
by KINGofMACct on Aug 16, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If we tradehim, who becomes our Bedge Boredom Barometer
Three “What to Do With Travis” Fanposts in less than 30 hours. He keeps the wind in our sails, even in the Horse Latitudes of August, bless him
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by Honka Playboy on Aug 16, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good writing!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
by staylost on Aug 16, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always someone to step in
Used to be Jarrett.
Then Sergio came to the fore.
Now it is Travis.
But Bayless is stepping forward.
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by jscot on Aug 17, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade For a Third Round draft pick!
Bring back Franz Bread Cards!
by newbergfan on Aug 16, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What happened to Newberg to make it so angry?
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 17, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd check fold him
keep him around until a better hand comes along or you get priced out.
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by Philthyanimal on Aug 17, 2009 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep
The trade Travis’s may have the larger number of votes …
… but when you have jscot, timbo, ann, twodeep, berkely, and bowdown on your side, numbers don’t matter.
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by timg56 on Aug 17, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think in year 15 of his career he's finally going to get it
JUST BE PATIENT!!!111
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by leeroyjenkins on Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
but that's the year after he retires...!
by DucRider on Aug 17, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Travis has value in certain spot situations
If you are desperate for some instant offense for a few minutes here and there, then Travis might be your guy.
If you are looking for a consistent multi-talented player who gives 100% effort for 35+ minutes, 82 games a season, he is not your guy.
Also I take issue with Travis’s ‘clutch’ tag. For every amazing shot he hit to win a game he made easily as many mistakes late in games to help lose it…whether it was rushing a horrific jump-shot with time on the clock, throwing the ball out of bounds, or something less flashy like failing to box out his man. Hitting an off-balance fadeaway doesn’t really make you ‘clutch’ in my book if you failed to play defense the last five trips down the floor.
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by leeroyjenkins on Aug 17, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He missed 1 game winner all of last year.
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by TheOdenator on Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I likeTravis, but . . .
I think it is time to trade him. I think his value is high and he can be replaced on the team.
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by NoGame on Aug 18, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if I wanted to keep Outlaw, the stridency of your post would make me vote to trade him
But in fact, as much as I love Trout, I think it’s about time for him to go jack up jumpers elsewhere. As I’ve written before, for all his offensive brilliance, he makes A LOT of boneheaded plays. And if you look at championship teams, you’ll notice a pattern: they make very few dumb plays.
Great teams don’t beat themselves: they make you beat them. When your opponent gives you a gift, you gain more than the board, the stop, or the score. You gain confidence. I want the Blazers to be a team that demoralizes the opposition with relentless execution—not one that gives them confidence by throwing the ball away, failing to block out, missing defensive assignments, etc.
Sorry Trout: you’re clearly a great guy and a talented ballplayer. You’ve been great fun to watch and I wish you the best. You’ll be missed around here. But this team is ready to move to the next level now.
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by hurryup09 on Aug 18, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stridency
As you know, it’s not my usual style. I thought about it and took a calculated risk, because I didn’t want this to just be a Trout love-in after all the Trout bashing. I was pretty sure that a Trout love-in was coming (it did a few posts later in that silly TV thread). But a thread where only Travis fans take part is meaningless.
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by jscot on Aug 19, 2009 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries about the tone of your post
But I hope you didn’t put your money where your mouth was and actually bet money that a majority of BE readers support keeping Outlaw. Sure, he has his fans. Who DOESN’T love watching a sweet-natured guy who can jump out of the gym and make impossible jumpers on a regular basis? But clearly there’s a lot of BE readers like me, whose affection for Trout doesn’t outweigh their concerns about his drawbacks.
Perennially-contending franchises like the Spurs & Lakers make hard decisions about players every season. They don’t let personal feelings interfere with the bottom line: winning titles. I don’t want the Blazers to be loveable losers. Nor do I want them to be a collection of talented, selfish jerks (e.g., the ‘sheed/ Bonzi squad). I want them to be loveable winners, and I think that’s KP’s vision as well.
Trout will be OK. He’ll likely get traded to a team where he’ll get to do his thing and be well-paid for it. That team won’t win titles, but I’m not sure that’ll be a major issue for Trout. Rings aren’t the be-all & end-all for many NBA players.
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by hurryup09 on Aug 19, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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