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Will LMA demand a max deal??

This all got started when i was listening to the MSP this morning. Everyone is expecting LMA to sign an exstension this summer and keep this happy little nucleus together but what if he demands max money? I know the Blazers are not going to max him out but if he were on another team and was the #1 option and didn't have 2 vacuum cleaners for centers he would probably be a 20/10 guy. At his age with his athleticism, speed, and length he would have a real good shot at a max contract. But it does not work to max him out on this team, and outside of him we don't have a legit option at PF AT ALL.

So, everyone (including myself) hasn't even thought of the terrible possibility of LMA ruining out little picnic here by testing the waters after next season. I mean the difference between 60 and 80 million seems a little silly to us common folk but it makes a big difference to these players historically. What are the chances that LMA and the Blazer dont agree on an extension?


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LMA should not expect Max

he is a team player. LMA has been paid much more than B Roy for years now. If, one was to deduct B Roys contract from LMA’s contract then deduct that amount from a Max contract should be a starting place to look at contracts. Yet then one should look at the differents in production between the players, also one should look at the value in playing for a multiple championship team which this team is. I it does not become ego centric.

by prof.mike on Aug 10, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree

You would think that players would want to do whats best for the team if they really want to win and its not like he would be getting screwed at 50 million bucks

- Neil

by Blazin'aTrail on Aug 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

you can't really fault a player for wanting to provide for his family

how many of us will voluntarily sacrifice our wages for the betterment of our company? i’m sure when you are making the kind of money that these players are…they have a team of people surrounding them and a bunch of family and friends that always have their hands out wanting a piece of the pie.

no matter how much money they have they can go broke…

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Sure, we make a lot of money, but we spend a lot, too."

—Patrick Ewing, speaking as head of the players’ union during the last contract negotiations.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which makes it all ok.

Yeah.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 10, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Poor Patrick. This quote is always taken so out of context and totally removed from its intent.

At least that is my opinion.

What he meant is that with the rigors of an NBA career, things we take for granted become much more difficult.

You want a clean home? Pay for it.

You want your yard taken care of? You’ve gotta pay for that too.

You want food to be there when you come home? Pay someone.

You need a ride back to your place ’cause you just got off the plane at 4am? Pay the money.

You want a decent contract? Pay the agent.

You want to eat out with your friends? They’ll probably expect you are paying.

You’re on the road and want some good food? Sucks for Joel that you’re stuck in a nice hotel in New York. Pay them the expensive room service bill. Oh and pay for the rest of the players ‘cause you’re on your big contract.

The government decides to redistribute wealth? Well, they want to redistribute it away from you basketballman. Pay them.
………………..

Sure, there are many basketball players who waste fortunes. But most players are stuck in this short career, needing to put enough away before they get to be 39 (or in the minds of BEdgers, old).

I’m not saying to feel bad for them, or anything like that. They chose the live they wanted to live. I’m just saying that for most NBA players it seems like a lot more than it ends up being. I think that is what Patrick was trying to say too.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 10, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA deserves a fair bit

But a fair bit does not likely mean a max contract. He’s not one of the 20 best players in the NBA (which is about how many get Max deals) as much as I love him.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

LMA was quoted before negotiations started

saying he didn’t expect to get Brandon Roy money and that he was OK with that. He knows that Brandon is the #1 guy and he’s #2 but still very important to the team. He wants to get a long term extension done this summer because he thinks they are building something special here for years to come. I see him signing for something along the lines of 5 years/60 million.

by SalemORguy on Aug 10, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

freakin bargnani.

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

to be fair to Bargnani he did play good for a month or two...

and I am told by Duck fans that guarantees you will play that well all of the next season.

by Escrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Masoli is the best quarterback to ever play football.

optimism ftw

by Cablinasian on Aug 10, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

LOL

I miss Martell. Come back soon!

by mannyfresh1 on Aug 10, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not the best to ever play...

but definitely the best the Pac 10 has to offer this year.

by oregon_fan on Aug 10, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Quick's "Faith" Article on June 30th
“People always ask me if I’m worried (about the negotiations),” Aldridge said. “And I’m like, ‘No.’ Because I love being here. I love this city. I love my teammates. It’s like, when something fits so well … I’m not worried about it. I have faith that everything will work out.”
Emphatically, he says he will sign an extension this summer.

“It would be better for everything,” Aldridge said. “It’s better chemistry wise and just … for my sanity. This is where I want to be, so I think it is important for me to get it wrapped up. But I don’t think it’s going to be a problem.”

If it comes to it, he says that he has no problem earning less than Roy, who has become one of his closest friends on the team.

“With Brandon, I don’t think it’s a question of whether he is going to get the max. He’s the go-to player. … It’s established that this is his team,” Aldridge said. “I’ve never had a thought that he wouldn’t get the max, so that hasn’t bothered me at all.”

And, in perhaps the most surprising development, he says Portland has become his second home, not just a city where he works.

“I love Portland. I have never been part of anything like this city gave me when we went to the playoffs,” Aldridge said. “It was like college. I mean, if I went to the freaking grocery store, people were like, ‘We love you! Thank you for everything!’ I just love being here.”

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by actwentysix on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

He's saying the right thing

Notice he doesn’t refer to his own contract, and what he expects.
I still think he pushes for a contract close to Roys, and the negotiations will be long and arduous.

by MotoMan045 on Aug 11, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way he´s asking for the max

but I´d give him a 55 mil contract with a lot of incentives that would put him very near the max if he made an All NBA team for example, other incentives could be going to the ASG, averaging double digit rebounds.

by Falcao on Aug 10, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Can NBA do incentive based contracts?

Unlike the NFL, I don’t think they can. I could be wrong.

by matthewcc on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randolph, our Zach,

Had tons of incentives on his contract I have heard.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 10, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have to give a significant amount guaranteed, but incentives are certainly possible

For everything from team goals like reaching the playoffs, WCF or finals or winning a championship, to individual goals like minutes played, shooting and rebounding totals or percentages, defensive player of the year, all-star selections, etc.

"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw

by Norsktroll on Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's gonna end up like 95% of max, once the cap goes down.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 10, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

i certainly hope not

60 is much more reasonable.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 10, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You expect him

to be happy with 20% less then Roy?
I for one do not.

by MotoMan045 on Aug 11, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm also interested in how much Oden is going to ask for

Not much discussion on the subject, but this is a contract year for GO as well. Of course a lot will depend on his production next season, but even with just moderate improvement, say 10-12ppg 9-10rbg 1.5blocks and 24-30 min, he could/should ask for somewhere around 10 million a year (less than Bynum’s contract).

by WildlyRamified on Aug 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Oden's contract wont be negotiated for 2 more years.

A lot can happen in the way of development/injuries in those two years. He could end up being a journeyman if he doesn’t show he can be a powerhouse in the next 2 seasons.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Aug 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

we can begin negotiations on Oden next year

but he is not a RFA till 2011

Draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Rookie contract lengths and amounts are set based on where you are picked (at least for 1st rounders) at 4 yrs. and then a fifth option year I think.

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by skywaker9 on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 years + 2 team options

In Oden’s case, he can sign an extension next summer (until Oct 31st). If he doesn’t get an extension, then he’ll be a free agent in the summer of 2011.

by Storyteller on Aug 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

See if he'll go for 60/5 first ;)

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 10, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hometown boy

I know he says all the right things about liking Portland and this team, but with Dirk about to hit the downside of his career wouldn’t LMA fit perfectly in Dallas. He may prefer to sign a 3 year extension with the thought of more money (better economy/higher salary cap) and a homecoming.

"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."

by with_a_z on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

How would Dallas pull that off?

They’re not going to have the money to offer him next summer, and I can’t imagine we’d let him go into the summer after next as an UFA.

by matthewcc on Aug 10, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

He said after three years. That might happen.

"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw

by Norsktroll on Aug 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way Portland is OK with a three year extension.

He’d have to take a huge salary hit.

I’m sure if in a few years LMA wants to return to Dallas (unlikely in my mind), the Blazers won’t avoid placing him there. Pritchard has a strong track record of actually caring about his players’ wishes even when they are leaving the team.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not denying this...

i just want some examples…other than sergio

by kajuayn on Aug 11, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jack was placed where he would have a chance to succeed.

KP had to know Phoenix, Channing’s other home was somewhat interested in him before letting him go.

The reason D. Miles was medically retired is that KP didn’t want his players handicapping themselves for a few more games of glory.

Maybe I’m just being optimistic about KP, but even though I’m not in the “KP is infallible” crew I think this is one big thing he does have going for him.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 11, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 years 60 million seemd fair

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

he should prepare himself for real life pritch slap if he stays adamant on a max.

cmon if he really wants to be a part of the blazers for long he should accept a deal wwould be adequate for him and also help the team out. that being said i think he wont be a pain in the butt

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Aug 10, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't see how LMA asks for the max

Not after going public a couple of times earlier this year saying that he doesn’t expect the max.

That being said, he might get closer to the max than most think. Brandon’s max deal will not, in all likelihood be $82 million (the max this season for 5 years) but will probably be closer to the $75-78 million range due to falling revenues. The deal that LMA signs today won’t likewise decrease – unless somehow the max is lower than the dollar figure that LMA signs for.

So let’s say that LMA negotiates for ‘$12 million less than Roy’ or $70 million for 5 years. Sounds reasonable – each year Aldridge will make about $2 million less than Brandon. But if Brandon’s deal drops to $75 million, that difference between the two is cut by more than half.

I still expect a deal to be done, and I expect LMA will make a lot of money. But something tells me that his deal (given the projections of falling revenue) will be closer to $65 million than $75 million.

by Storyteller on Aug 10, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

If we don't offer max money, would somebody else? That's the question.

The problem is that it’s not about what we think he deserves, or really what he deserves at all, it’s about what he can get. Players have agents and LMA’s agent is going to try to get as much money as he can, which unfortunately might be a max size deal. LMA’s resume isn’t max worthy yet, but it’s more about if his future is max worthy and there are people, and maybe teams, that think it will be. On the MSP today, they both thought he definitely was max worthy. I don’t agree because he definitely has played like a max deal star yet, but I do agree there’s a good chance he could become one. A 5+ year all-star is more than possible with his skill set, age, and size. He’s still only getting better. Not too mention, if we lose him then that championship dream dies I think. I can’t see us maxing him out, but we just might have to.

by Coastie07 on Aug 10, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think that's likely, given the way the cap is gonna drop next season.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 10, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It up to the market, will he want max money… yes? will other teams want to give him max money? we’ll just have to wait and see.

I dont see why a team wouldnt want a guy like him on their team. But in this economy, giving him max money might be too big of a risk for other teams.

by robi s on Aug 10, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

BTW, not a lot of extensions for the draft class of 2006

Roy got his. Bargnani got his. I believe Aldridge will get his. That’s it, unless something comes out of left field before October.

by Storyteller on Aug 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Rudy Gay maybe, although with Memphis who knows

The Bulls will probably not even make Tyrus Thomas the qualifying offer to get their max cap space and make a run for Wade/Bosh.

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by Norsktroll on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and Millsap got paid well for a former second round pick. Ryan Hollins got a small extension from the Wolves. Joel Freeland got paid as an unsigned draft pick. Rondo probably won’t get an extension this summer, looks more like a wait and see approach in Boston.

"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw

by Norsktroll on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rondo thing cught me off guard.

Is there something about him that we don’t know? Prima donna something? Locker room jock itch?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 10, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we all knew that he is a prima donna and locker room jock itch

He is. Everything I have read indicates he has a massive attitude problem.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Aug 10, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You thought KG was bad… he had to cry himself to sleep some nights after being in the same room as Rondo too long.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 10, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

what really?

Peep the sig.

by 12sharks on Aug 11, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

This is being blown up way out of proportion,.
He’s young, and needs to grow up.
Thats it, nothing more.

by MotoMan045 on Aug 11, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course it's not really

who would believe KG would cry because of Rondo

by Falcao on Aug 11, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently after Big Baby, a Celtic crying is not so unbelievable.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I see Rudy Gay as perhaps the least likely to get an extension. Heisley has discovered a new way to survive in the NBA – take cash back in exchange for using cap room in trades. Judging from his article last week, he likes that position. He pointed out how much money he was losing when the team made the playoffs, but is profitable now by staying below the cap.

As such, I can’t see them extend Gay for 4-5 years at $8-10 million a year.

by Storyteller on Aug 11, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be bad, he might sign with an opponent in the western conference. He isn’t much of a defender, but he could boost a team like the Suns, Mavs, Wolves to name a few.

"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw

by Norsktroll on Aug 11, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

However most of the teams that look to have serious cap room next summer are in the East. After teams like NJ and NY lose out on getting LeBron, Wade, Bosh, they’ll turn their attention to players like Gay.

Minnesota would do well, though, to go after him.

by Storyteller on Aug 11, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge is most certainly not a MAX player

I would offer him 5 years $60 mil w/ incentives to bring it up to maybe $65 or $70 mil. I know this may not be the best example but Zach Randolph didn’t get a max contract (as he shouldn’t) and he actually is a 20-10 player although he is a blackhole (good luck Memphis lol). I just think we’d be overpaying for a near allstar player and that Bargnani contract is horrible so it shouldn’t be a reference point for Aldridge as Toronto has decided to criminally overpay overrated players (ie Hedo, Bargnani, Jack). Aldridge would have to show SIGNIFICANT improvement in rebounding, defense, toughness and reliable post moves to even be considered for a max contract. IMO we should trade Alridge for another PF (Griffin, Beasley, Love) so we have some more financial flexibility in the future.

by MitchRich23 on Aug 10, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

RT: This all got started when i was listening to the MSP

Gavin was doing what radio guys do to drive ratings, his take was “LMA is going to be an all-star during the next 5 years so he should be asking for the max”

blah, blah, blah

Roy got paid for what he has done, as well as what he will accomplish. LMA is a nice complimentary player, but he’s not in Roy’s league and he knows it. (Dawson knows it as well, he’s been calling LMA “soft” for years, but this is August and he has ratings to drive…)

I think if “The Champ” really wants to stir up a little controversy, he should ask a question like this: given the Vulcan’s desire for the Blazers to be a near “break-even” enterprise going forward, and keeping in mind that Oden will be receiving a near-max extension in the next 12-24 months, if you have to choose which two of Roy, LMA or Oden to keep around to make the championship run, which two would you choose?

And saying that Paul Allen can afford all three is not one of the choices

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by two4larue on Aug 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

At this point

Greg and The Max shouldn’t be used in the same sentence. Nice kid with a ton of potential, and I’m pulling for him. But… you have to take LMA and Brandon right now if you had to chose. Greg’s not a bust by any stretch of the imagination, but I’d argue he’s already well paid for what he has accomplished. I always hear that Joel gets a ton of money to be our backup center. Except he’s not our backup center. Not IMO, anyway. Hopefully, Greg will have to earn the starting job and not just have it handed to him like last year.

by Sean M on Aug 10, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gavin Dawson just basially argued the NBA equivelant of what that NFL rookie is doing

The one who is holding out for more money based on mock-drafts that never happened.

“I might be an all star someday, but not now. Therefore give me a maxed out deal!”

“Huh?”

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 million a year less than Roy

If LMA cant get this from the Blazers, he needs a new agent. Portland needs LMA way more than LMA needs Portland.

by bad karma on Aug 10, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

i don't things work like that

i dunno…i would think more goes into determining a players value than just his role on a team. i mean…when you are buying a house…the house is one factor in the price…the neighborhood is another…and the buying and selling market is one as well.

in the nba’s case…its Brandon Vs LMA, LMA vs comparable players (Bargnani), and the number of interested parties. LMAs future does look bright, but we should pay him for what he’s done, not what he is going to do in the future (like D Miles). Somewhere inbetween Barnani and Roy would be fine for him.

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think a players role has EVERYTHING to do with his value to a team. Its called leverage. Most of us have played the game Monopoly. A certain property has a base value, but when combined with other properties, it can exceed the base value by placing houses and hotels and so on. Right now, the Blazers have a piece locked up, but that piece is not nearly as valuable without the others. Therefore, LMA is worth MORE to the Blazers, than the standard market because with him AND Roy, you have a chance at championships. Without LMA, this team is still good, but not a contender.

If you only pay players on what they have done, how can you justify paying Roy max money? Has he won a championship, or even a playoff series? No. You pay Roy the max because of what you think he WILL win in the future.

by bad karma on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

i can justify paying roy max money bc

in my opinion he is in the top 10 of players in the nba.

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, apart from the whole thread of your debate, I agree.

We are paying Roy max for what he can already do. He’s shown us, so we pay him.

LMA should get payed the same way, by what he’s shown us. It’s not a terrible thing for him since he’s showed us an awful lot, been considered nearly an All-Star, and is devoted to what we’ve got going. But he isn’t in the same level as Roy, & nor should his cash.

Most likely he’ll have to get a bit more Malone in his blood to get a bit more cash in his bank.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 10, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats why

if I was LMA’s agent, I would say “my client knows he is the #2 guy on this team. He is a team player, and is fine with taking less than Roy. We are not interested in a max deal. LMA will accept 5 yr 75 million.”

by bad karma on Aug 11, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, but that's the rub

Roy’s ‘max’ deal could easily become a $75 million deal next summer when the actual figures are announced. The Blazers know this. Aldridge’s agent knows this. The only way he is ‘assured’ of making less than Roy is to take $65 million or perhaps a bit more.

by Storyteller on Aug 11, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok, a bit more

done deal. 5 yr 70 million. good work!

by bad karma on Aug 11, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMA's agent is delusional.

The guy isn’t even an all-star and he gets 14 million a year? 12 million max. but then we get to complain about how he is overpaid. Will you enjoy that LMA?

10.5 million is fair, and I won’t complain about 11.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 11, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, if we pay him 14 million,

and LMA leads us to a championship, I won’t be complaining.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

5/65 seems about right

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Aug 10, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

It would probably be the worst counting Roy.

No reasonable backup at PF (Travis is great in some matchups at PF, terrible in others…) unlike Roy, who may have a future All-Star following him into the game.

Another important point is that LMA plays the most minutes of any Blazer. There must be a reason for that.

LMA is our only post scoring threat right now, while Roy’s scoring is duplicated by many of our players.

Roy goes down, we beat the Celtics. LMA goes down, we lose to the Cavs.
………………………..
I realize Roy is the better player & he definitely deserves more money. But what LMA brings to the Blazers, we have only in limited quantity.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Aug 10, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

RT: No reasonable backup at PF

That’s a problem whether LMA, Joel or Greg gets hurt for any amount of time

This afternoon KP was saying they’re looking to fill out the final spots on the roster heading into training camp. Joe Smith would look awfully nice, even if they currently don’t have room under the cap to offer him a decent deal until the Euros come off the cap, this fall. I wonder if KP can put together a (Wink, wink. Nod, nod) agreement with Smith to not sign elsewhere until after the preseason, then sign a deal and join the Blazers on the eve of the regular season? You’ve gotta figure that Joe doesn’t need the training camp reps as much as Pend/‘Ham will, and that Portland doesn’t really need him much either, until the playoffs or in case of injury to one of the 3 bigs

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by two4larue on Aug 10, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Injury to LMA is worse than Roy because of value over replacement player(s).

If Roy goes down, Rudy’s minutes will increase by maybe 15 minutes per game, and Bayless will go from no minutes to 15-20 minutes. Obviously, Roy is a lot better than Rudy and not even remotely comparable to Bayless, but Rudy was an above average NBA player already as a rookie in a league where Euro transports typically do much better second year, and Bayless is an elite NBA athlete who will also make progress this year.

If LMA goes down… ouch. Who starts? Travis? That would be a disaster. Travis can play spot minutes at the four. But he’s a terrible rebounder and relying on him as a starter would be disasterous. Probably one (or even both) of the rooks would have to log significant minutes, and the difference between LMA and the rooks is much bigger than the difference between Roy and Rudy/Bayless.

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by KP Corleone on Aug 11, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Non All-Star players

don’t get Ma contracts. 6’11" post players who don’t pull down 10 boards a game do not get max contracts. Can’t stop Scola=no max contract.

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by BigCelPhone on Aug 10, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

what about rashard lewis

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was because the Magic saw him as the final piece.

When a team feels that thy’re that close, they’ll spend (usually)

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by haildablazer on Aug 10, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree with that

i’m just trying to debunk the fact that non all star players can get max contracts

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rashard Lewis was an All-Star

in 2004. Not a “perennial All Star” by any stretch, but technically he was on an All Star team before he got his max deal.

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by Jumbo on Aug 10, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was a 1 time all star at that point

but he was clearly not a max level talent. a lot of people can make an all star team 1 year but play like crap in subsequent years. Derek Anderson made the Pro Bowl 1 year…but can’t even hang onto his job in the next. And besides…he got paid max dollars like 2 or 3 years after his only AS appearance.

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think everyone knows he's not worth that, especially to any team that's not the Magic.

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by austinpwnz on Aug 10, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember when we thought we should go after him

and pay him slightly above the mle?

i think it was

draft durant and stick with a sub par pryz or draft oden and sign/trade for rashard to be the starting sf.

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by Philthyanimal on Aug 10, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking at the 07 lottery commemorative thread (it's over there --->)

and I saw that a lot. I wasn’t around BEdge back then but I was amused considering what he ended up with.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 11, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

he is overpaid

the Magic bid against themselves for Lewis, and are paying for it now and for the next few years.

by usmcr3049 on Aug 10, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

No arguments there.

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by haildablazer on Aug 12, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

David West clone.

I think 10 mil per is pretty close for LaMarcus. He barely improved at all over his 2nd year, even with two extra minutes and a supposedly more established role. It will be interesting to see how his contributions change with Miller on the team. He could get better, but we might already be looking at the player LaMarcus will become: an 18pt, 8rbd player who likes to take jumpers more than mix it up inside. He is not worth the max right now, nor do I believe he’s shown that he WILL be a max player. 12 mil per is the absolute highest I would go for him.

Now, if that’s not good enough and he tests RFA next summer, then I would match an offer no matter what, but hopefully it won’t get to that point.

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by bfan on Aug 10, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

The question for me is...

would Paul Allen pay the luxury for the next several years to keep this core together, or would he rather let some of these pieces slip away for other mabye higher paid, or lesser paid talent? I really feel (as do most of you probably do) that this core has what it takes to be special and if it means giving LMA near max money I think we should do it. Hopefully he will be true to his word and the blazers wont have to answer that question

by TheSportsPsychologist on Aug 11, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions  

He won't need to pay the luxury tax to keep this core together for the next 3 years

Portland under the cap this year even counting the 9 million for Darius Miles. Since the luxury tax threshold is roughly 12 million over the cap, I think we will be fine through the 2011-2012 season even with a new LMA and Oden deal. The rookie contracts for Rudy, Batum and Bayless will need to be renewed for the 2012-2013 season, and then we run into problems. Joel will probably opt out next year, and I kind of doubt Travis will get a new contract unless he has a great year. Blake may stay, but I don’t think he will get big money. Anyway, having 1st and 2nd year guys in the playing rotation is definitely helping Paul Allen’s bottom line. I haven’t done an in-depth analysis, but take a look at the link below. Things look good for the next three years as long as no big name, big money players are added to the team. Remember that even Brandon’s new deal will only be 12.5 million in 2010-2011 season if salary cap predictions at 50 million are correct.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/portland.htm

by Sean M on Aug 11, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

LA

will not get MAX money because He is not a max player. At the turn of the century (21st that is), teams would max their best player (or two). This logic led to many overpaid players that were not worth their $….think Allan Houston. This train of thought is simply flawed. That is why the league allowed teams the one player amnesty clause after the last CBA agreement. It allowed teams to free up cap-space to spur spending. Max money is reserved for the top players in the LEAGUE…not the best players on your team. the top10-15 players should get max, and it should decline from there. LA is not a top 30 player…He’s not even top 5 at his position. I mean Pau Gasol put up 19 and 10, got his contract as THE MAN on the Mepmphis grizzlies (led them to the PLAYOFFS…the GRIIIIZLIEEZ!!!!!!!) and still does’nt have a max contract. So there is really no way LA gets it, or that close.

by kajuayn on Aug 11, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions  

LMA isn't a max player

and nobody would give him a max deal. From what I gather reading national NBA news, he’s valued much more highly here than anywhere else.

It’s funny, just when the hysteria about Brandon Roy dies down there’s some new ‘crisis’ that pops up. How come you guys can’t just stop worrying and get ready to enjoy the season?

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by leeroyjenkins on Aug 11, 2009 6:53 AM PDT reply actions  

i was just looking at all the possibilities

I agree that its unlikely that he will cause a problem but its not out of the question.

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by Blazin'aTrail on Aug 11, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

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