Hinrich Talk: Buzz on Both Sides
by Ben. on Jul 9, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
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Marc Stein and Chad Ford of ESPN caught onto this rumored 3 way trade between Portland, Chicago and Utah that's been floating for about 72 hours. Strong buzz on both sides of this one.
Here's their report...
Another major multi-team trade might be looming in the NBA with the Portland Trail Blazers,Utah Jazz and Chicago Bulls having discussed a deal that would be headlined by Carlos Boozer and Kirk Hinrich, according to NBA front-office sources.
Sources stressed to ESPN.com that no deal was imminent Thursday and that both Portland and Utah are still evaluating multiple trade scenarios. But two sources with knowledge of the three-team proposal confirmed that there have been substantive talks regarding a trade that would land Boozer in Chicago, Hinrich in Portland and Tyrus Thomas in Utah.
Almost immediately after that published, Awoj wrote on twitter...
Bulls haven't had a "single conversation" about a 3-way deal Blazers and "have nothing going" with Utah about Boozer, Bulls source tells Y!.
Multiple NBA GM's fear Boozer's high-demands for an extension, especially with 2010 cap projections. CHI has never wanted to be a tax team.
This deal could potentially help explain why Portland is reportedly considering an offer sheet for Paul Millsap. Theoretically, Utah prefers Millsap to Boozer and would need to move Boozer to be able to pay Millsap. Knowing this and seeing Chicago as a potential destination for Boozer, Portland makes its Millsap offer to force through a trade for a player it has been rumored for 18 months that they might have targeted: Kirk Hinrich. You might have heard of him. I believe he's been discussed on this website in the past. I think.
Please note that as of this posting the Blazers still have not made an offer to Paul Millsap. Also note that this trade doesn't make a ton of sense for Chicago and Tyrus Thomas would probably be the death of Jerry Sloan.
Update: Sam Smith who writes on Bulls.com tweets...
Lots of bulls boozer/bulls rumors. nothing going on
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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but why would utah trade with us if were essentially forcing them to move boozer?
EAT IT GOOD.
by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 9, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Utah has no choice
they need to trade with a team with cap room because they want to sign millsap.
by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And with a new owner in place it's uncertain
How much they really want/are able to pay a huge luxury tax bill.
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by skywaker9 on Jul 9, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience
This tax proposition of were it will be in 2010 is forcing the GM’s to panic. Giving away a talent like boozer, a franchise type of player, would have never even surfaced as a [possibaslity if it wasn’t for the economic downfall. Good thing cause we have bulit up 7.7 mil of money to toy with, while the competitors in our confrence are stressing, bumping there talent, increasing the already open door of confrence champions for the Blazers. Which leads too more. One less team too worry about.
Kirk Hinirich. is streaky at best. Come on this guy missed a game changing WIDE open lay-up agaisnt boston… Last year had more turnovers a game then steaks on the grill for a party. I love the kid, but we need nothing but money, time and patience.
by shlongsongbake on Jul 9, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know there was a turnover/steakongrill stat.
I bet you Z-Bo had a really good TO/Steak ratio.
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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 11, 2009 4:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer=headcase
he is injured alot, and he tends to nag too…Millsap is a tough hard working charector guy and the jazz would want to avoid seeing thier rival…if this trade is in the talks i look to see if I can also get cj miles…cj miles is a defensive specialist and i would assume portland would also want to trade outlaw or martell in this deal..cj miles would give us a tough physical player who can be a insurance player at sg or sf…and utah also gets a prospect in tyrus thomas who they can add on in a trade that involves andre kirilienko and we all know utah doesnt wanna keep his salary..we would then sign a 2nd tier pf via Juwan Howard, Joe Smith, Mikki Moore category…our line up would overall look like this
C Joel/Oden
PF LA/Juwan/Pendergraph
SF Batum/Cj Miles/ Webster (is still injured btw)
sg Roy/Rudy
pg Hinrich/Bayless/Mills
by captain_kirk12 on Jul 9, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cmooooon
let’s get something for nothing!
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 9, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Chicago just wants to unload Tyrus Thomas so they can be free of the burden of being reminded of LaMarcus Aldridge every time Thomas makes a boneheaded play.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if it means keeping Millsap on the Jazz, and getting some fresh blood
then I’m all for it as a Jazz fan.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
by Shums on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
also gives them a add in a trade with other teams, they will have alot more leverage with tyrus thomas..and chicago becomes a really sick team with boozer…i mean they got a center who is a hustle player who loves to win and dedicates his game to win, they got rose and salmons in the backcourt and deng, they could be the sleeper out of the east..and ofcourse we get hinrich and hopefully cj miles
by captain_kirk12 on Jul 9, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does this not make sense for Chicago?
Boozer is a significant upgrade over Thomas (presuming the Bulls think they can keep him next summer). He is easily worth a dysfunctional, under-sized 4, and a backup PG.
by DC Blazer on Jul 9, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Presumably they think they can’t.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 9, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's also a large expiring contract, which in itself will be pretty valuable to some teams
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chicago is an incredibly cheap team.
Given Boozer’s demands, I doubt they’d want to keep him for a year only to have him become a free agent next year and leave for nothing if they don’t want to pay him.
by Arby on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the deal... he leaves and they have cap space.
Badda Bing, Badda Boom
by Escrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dwyane Wade to the Windy City in 2010.
by AK1984 on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rose and wade would be fun to watch
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by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus with James, Miller, and Thomas coming off the books in 2010
That gives them an extra 24 mil in cap space for the 2010 FA class. Why settle for just Wade, get Bosh too.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes a lot of sense,
assuming the Bulls get a guard back in the deal, or if they like an available free agent with the LT space cleared.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 9, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick says that a very reliable blazer source said that Blazer involvement in this is non existent
Who knows though?
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, two people have shot it down
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That must mean the Blazers are involved then... seeing as though Quick's scoops are always wrong.
by Escrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly, it means if it is real talks are still alive
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be one thing if it was just Quick.
But Woj is pretty good about his reports.
I think we’re being played by some agents…..probably Carlos Boozer’s agent.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would Carlos Boozer's agent be playing anyone?
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Utah that makes the most sense to be starting rumors
Blazers have room to do pretty much what they want, Bulls are fine heading into next season, and Utah’s in a mess. Not that a low post offensive guy wouldn’t be intriguing to the Bulls, but Boozer wouldn’t be the first choice if they were just going to throw stuff out there.
I don’t even think this benefits any of the players, specifically, to have their agents be starting stuff up. Millsap’s the only one who might go someplace, and he’s better served with Portland’s supposed imminent offer than losing that leverage, even if he wants to stay with the Jazz.
Kind of funny if all this fuss just goes back to some radio guy, though.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 9, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly..
When the Hedo deal fell apart and I started hearing the Lee rumors, my heart sank. I mean, I know we need a backup to LA. But even in the “best player available” scenario, you don’t pay a guy 9-10 million/year to be a BACKUP. Something just didn’t feel right. I know KP is smarter than that. It goes without saying that I’m ecstatic to hear Hinrich is back in talks. He’s a great shooter, passer, defender, etc. It’s been discussed to death I know. But man, he will make B-Roy so much better. No more chasing Kobe Bryant around. He will be fresher on offense and have less potential for injuries. It’s just a great deal if we can make it happen.
by halo_on on Jul 9, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if they're denying it,
then it’s on
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny to have rumors denied by two of three sources
I gotta think it’s bogus…. but I am not great at figuring things out.
by PoliSam on Jul 9, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best rumor I've heard so far
And it also seems very unlikely to happen. Love it if it did though.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think one thing is backward in Ben's post.
I don’t think Tyrus Thomas would be the death of Jerry Sloan. Rather Jerry Sloan would be the death of Tyrus Thomas.
Jerry Sloan is simply too tough for a guy like Thomas. He’d chew him up and spit him out.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Sloan has been around and that is HIS system. Thomas will have to adapt.
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Lund was on with Wheels ths afternoon
he said that the Jazz aren’t that tough anymore, and it’s mostly because of Kirilenko being a whiner
Lund said Sloan has had to change his coaching style because of AK47, which makes me wonder why Jerry doesn’t just hang ‘em up? Maybe he’s just “honoring his contract” there’s no way the Jazz fire him. Frank Layden said they don’t fire anybody
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by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got to be getting close to calling it quits.
He had just started coaching there when I was at college in Utah, and that was 20 years ago.
At some point I don’t see how the grind of travel and dealing with young hotshot players is worth it anymore. Playing with all of his tractors has to be sounding better and better. :)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 9, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there needs to be a fourth team added to this deal for the sake of Tyrus Thomas' future.
by AK1984 on Jul 9, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one works
They can’t do a straight 3 man deal because the Blazers don’t have enough cap room unless they renounce their overseas picks. Actually, even that may not be enough, as they’re over by $1.7M – this is the least salary Utah can take back in the deal, which is what they want.
by baduk on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not swap out Blake
for Bayless in this deal?
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOOOOOOOOO If this is the deal
Why is portland even involved…it doesn’t look as though we’re moving anyone in this deal, we just magically get Hinrich sent to us…?
by pdxlifer on Jul 9, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
utah gets capspace to match/sign milsap which is the power forward they really want
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
soooooooooooo
we really do get hinrich sent over to us for nothing?
by pdxlifer on Jul 9, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
essentially, yes
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK
But wouldn’t it easier to trade Blake and Trav for Hinrich straight up?
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
carlos boozer > blake and travis for the bulls
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is a mercenary on the way out the door next year.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 9, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i don't get
why is portland included in this trade, somehow this rumor surfaces yet no mention of a blazer on the move, why is this not a deal between Chi and Utah?
(i’m not trying to argue the validity, just trying to understand how its working)
by pdxlifer on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we would be throwing in blake and or travis
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a salary shift
and it comes from our cap, not Chi’s or Utah’s. It frees Utah up to keep Millsap.
by oregon_fan on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure myself
but my vague understanding is that the Bulls get Boozer then lose Hinrich so they avoid the luxury threshold, and the Jazz want us in on it so we don’t have the money to pry Millsap away.
So basically our cap space is our trading chip. I know, doesn’t seem to carry much weight.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why this trade as currently set up is not going to happen
Portland WILL give up someone, likely to Utah. While Utah wants financial flexibility, and they do get TT, they will want something more than just that for Boozer. In the end, Utah doesn’t want to pay the tax, but will if it has to be to resign Milsap. They can still make a trade later in the season. Someone might bite on AK47 instead, looking for a tall defensive stopper with some offensive game (like… Miami?)
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by tandur on Jul 9, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
We pay him and it comes from our cap space
by oregon_fan on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland tells Utah “hey, we’re gunna offer Paul Millsap a crapload of money. You wanna keep him?” I would assume they would then tell Utah that they’re actually interested in Hinrich. Utah would contact Chicago about Boozer and Thomas swapping. We would likely send someone to Utah (Blake perhaps) for Hinrich.
..and then after all of this is complete, we’ll contact Dallas about Bass. That’s my guess. Assuming clearing Blakes salary (or whoever we give up) + our salary cap is enough to sign both Hinrich and Bass. I’m not sure.
by halo_on on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does make a ton of sense for Chicago
Also note that this trade doesn’t make a ton of sense for Chicago
I think it makes a lot of sense for Chicago. For all the talk on this forum about it being crazy to pay $8-10 million for a backup (PF Millsap in our case), Chicago is paying that for a backup (PG Hinrich) and surely would like to spend that money elsewhere. And Tyrus Thomas is a relative bust. If they could get rid of those two and get Boozer back I think they’d be quite happy.
I don’t know if I’D be quite happy now that I have started to buy into the idea of having Millsap, where we have Oden ©, Aldridge (PF/C) and Millsap (PF) all get pretty good minutes and free up Pryz for a trade, possibly to Chicago for Hinrich. I love Pryz but worry about our ability to keep him after next year.
by scottacoma on Jul 9, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL ... Oden may be copyrighted, I dunno, but I really meant to indicate he plays center
by scottacoma on Jul 9, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
easy… we’re picking up what you’re laying down.
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question for Chicago is:
Is Blake, Webster, and Outlaw (or Pryzbilla) a better fit with Jaquim Noah and Brad Miller than Boozer. Remember that Chicago still has holes in the SG position left by Ben Gordon Leaving. Webster could fill that hole.
If Blake, Webster, and Outlaw (or Pryzbilla) is a better fit, then there is no need to include Utah in the trade – which still leaves Portland with their cap space for a potential pickup of Milsap or Bass (if Bass, then it is also likely they will still have cap room at the trade deadline)
I would much rather go into the season with Milsap, Hinrich, and Tyrus Thomas than Hinrich, Webster, Outlaw and Blake.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 star > 3 role players for CHI
Chicago presently has no real stars. Rose looks like he might become one (his production does not yet merit calling him a real star). More role players would just lock them in as a mediocre team; good enough to not qualify for a top draft choice, but too bad to really compete. They need to consolidate talent into stars, not diffuse it.
I think they would much prefer to have a top-flight PF they can pencil in for 35+ per game than a bunch of guys to fill small gaps here and there.
by DC Blazer on Jul 9, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer in Chicago
makes them instantly a top four team in the East. They would be happy and lucky to get him for Hinrich and Thomas.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 4 team in the east...
LOL – Boozer will bail on them next year and they will have traded Hinrich and Thomas for nothing. So what if they are a top 4 team in the east next year – they aren’t going to beat Boston or Cleveland (maybe Orlando). If they trade for Boozer they still need to trade for a decent SG to replace Gordon. If they trade for Blake Webster and Outlaw, they can run the floor better with a younger team and can resign Outlaw next season without dramatically impacting their cap room.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they want the cap space to try and sign d.wade
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would get a ton of cap space
and become big players in the 2010 market. Not to mention they have a good SG in John Salmons.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see...
So trading for Blake and Outlaw who come off the books at the end of the 09-10 season freeing up and additional $8M leaving them with about $23-28M in cap space for the 2010-11 free agency wouldn’t be enough to surround Rose with a superstar type player…
Gotcha – I get it now…
And oh by the way, they would still have the ability to resign those players and still be significantly under the cap.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
With Boozer leaving next year, and Hinrich and Thomas off the books with the trade. The Bulls look to have over $40 mil in cap space for the 2010 FA class. Assuming they get nobody else in the trade.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 10, 2009 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have trade attention deficit disorder after following these journalists. I wish they would break news when there are news to break.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know
They keep getting my hopes up and forcing me to refresh espn.com every fifteen seconds. It’s not conductive to a healthy working environment. But I guess that’s their goal, right? It’s all about the page views in modern “journalism.”
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 9, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of those trade proposals that makes sense for all parties involved in it.
There’s no reason that anyone should halt the progress of getting Carlos Boozer from Utah to Chicago, Tyrus Thomas from Chicago to Utah, Steve Blake from Portland to Chicago, and finally Kirk Hinrich from Chicago to Portland.
Oh, and if Thomas to Utah is a problem due to Jerry Sloan, then add a fourth team to the deal — such as the Oklahoma City Thunder — and send Thomas to no man’s land, with Nick Collison going to Mormon country.
by AK1984 on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
jerry sloan would probably love nick collison
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I am frustrated that this rumor appears to be bogus. It makes too much sense. Chicago gets cap relief at the same time they make their team better this year. Utah gets under the tax and gets rid of a player they wanted to opt out. Portland gets their guy.
My question to Chicago and Portland is, if these “sources” are correct that there have been no talks, why the hell not? This deal should be discussed. You’re not doing your job if you’re not discussing it. Do your job and discuss away.
Frustrating.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 9, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
after days and weeks or rumors
when the actual deals are announced they’re anti-climactic
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't we have Nick Collison?
It’s only fair we get the two most useful players in the deal.
M.
by Mortimer on Jul 9, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reuniting Collison and Hinrich would be funny.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jayhawk alum KP
would have to apologize to Larry Bird for his paler shade of roster
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just lock up ROY/ALDRIDGE
PLEASE…
anyways im back on BE, woot woot. been busy with school/work/sports betting lol.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
by B-ROYalty on Jul 9, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We have nearly a full year to lock those two up.
It’s not exactly our priority and I’m pretty sure all parties are aware of that.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know that..
im sure they will get re-signed before season starts.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
by B-ROYalty on Jul 9, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blazers fans are rediculous sometimes...
One stupid reporter needs a story to write and makes some BS up and all of the sudden people are calling in on radio shows saying Roys becoming a Knick… Get outta hereeeeeeeee
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha, seriously lol???
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
by B-ROYalty on Jul 9, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
some guy called in on 95.5 and was talking about how blazers wont resign Roy and how Lebron will remain a cav and Roy will sign with the Knicks..
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 9, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i heard that guy too
I miss Martell. Come back soon!
by mannyfresh1 on Jul 9, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow more trade stuff
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2009/7/9/943383/rockets-suns-blazers-trade-rumor#comments
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That is the funniest thign I have heard all day…
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
I made a Rudy for Battier proposal the other day, but I couldn’t find a Blazer contract to combine with Rudy to match up with Battier (I was not gonna surrender Przy!)
A 3-way deal like this would get ‘er done. I love Battier’s BBIQ and intangibles, Nate would get the veteran experience he’s been asking for and Rudy would get to start for Houston and play as much as he wanted
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by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Agents.
You suck, no one likes you, no one listens to you, and no one believes pretty much anything you say.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 9, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec
VOTE CLOUDYDAYS
JUNK DRAWER 09/07/09
by The Pirate on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one listens to you
well, they know that’s not true
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by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake or Outlaw or Bayless + Milsap > Hinrich
It doesn’t add up. Assuming we could sign Milsap, we in effect are trading Blake or Outlaw or Bayless (need salary to make it work) + Milsap to get Hinrich. Is Hinrich really worth that?
by Turnout on Jul 9, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You've got to be kidding me
Millsap + Hinrich >>>>>>>>>>> Outlaw + Bayless
Millsap + Hinrich >>>>>>>>>>> Outlaw + Blake
by Arby on Jul 9, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Highly unlikely we get both Millsap and Hinrich.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is possible though:
1) Sign Millsap straight up.
2) Trade Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich
by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've been thinking all day.
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with that is
the jazz are not going to let us sign millsap.
by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they don't trade Boozer quickly
then they won’t have a choice.
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesnt have to be quickly
just as long as they get rid of boozer before the trading deadline
by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how will they get rid of Boozer's 12+mil$ salary
if they have to “take back” that much money back in a deal? There are no teams left with capspace that have any interest in Carlos
and it’s not like they could get an expiring contract for CB…he has an expiring contract
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we might be overplaying this here
of course they have a choice. they can choose to match millsap and risk paying mondo tax, and keep trying to trade boozer, right up to the deadline.
the longer we wait to actually present an offer to millsap, the more I think we don’t actually want to.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that makes sense
if we can get Hinrich and Bass for less money overall… Why not?
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way
If we can trade Blake or Outlaw or Bayless for Hinrich, we would have our MLE and could use it to get, say, Brandon Bass (or Chris Wilcox, or Drew Gooden, or any number of good backup PFs who DON’T want 25 minutes a game and DON’T cost $9 million). So instead of looking at it as Blake/Outlaw/Bayless + Millsap for Kirk, look at it as Blake/Outlaw/Bayless for Kirk + back PF.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better check that again...
I don’t think you can’t have cap space and cap exceptions at the same time…
You’re either under the cap or you have exceptions. You can’t spend your cap space and then spend your MLE.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that scenario we never used cap space, so it works
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 9, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that too about an hour ago
It’s complicated, but we actually can use our MLE so long as we don’t sign a free agent. In this scenario we are trading for Hinrich and thus would still have our MLE.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so long as we meet the 125% + 100,000 trade criteria, then yes. if we have to use cap space to make the trade, then no dice.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes.
And I do believe it was you I was arguing this subject with before. My apologies, you are absolutely correct.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was. ;-)
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this would be true
if it’s Blake AND Outlaw. That trade would work straight up for Hinrich under the 125% + 100,000 rules (thus not requiring us to go under the cap and use capspace). We could then use the MLE, yes
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
Bayless is making nearly half what Blake is, Jerryd’s salary and Travis’ don’t add up to Hinrich’s
If all it takes for the Bulls to deal Kirk is the expiring contracts of Blake/Outlaw that deal would’ve been done weeks ago. Multiple Bedgers parotting this “proposal” 100 times a day on BE will not make it happen
(BTW, I wasn’t referring to you in that last sentence, douglast)
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but
Blake + Webster + Outlaw (or Pryzbilla) + Cap Space is worth Hinrich, Milsap, Tyrus Thomas – and oh by the way it frees up the SF position quite nicely for Batum, Fernandez, and either Milsap or Thomas.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP was on with Canzano this afternoon
and pretty much said he’s not gonna gut the roster. He’s being very careful choosing “who” he’s bringing in and doesn’t to make major changes
he also repeated that he likes how efficient Blake is playing alongside Roy
I don’t think we’re gonna see a PG upgrade, unless NJ suddenly gets desperate and makes Harris available
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE ARE NOT GETTING MILLSAP!!!!!!!!
jazz want him ans they are going to do what they have to do in order to sign him. just forget about millsap wearing a blazer jersey next year. it is not going to happen
by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about this crazy idea?
1. sign paul millsap
2. trade pryzbilla for gerald wallace
3. trade blake and outlaw for kirk hinrich
lineup:
hinrich/bayless/mills
roy/fernandez
wallace/batum/webster
aldridge/millsap/pendergraph
oden
of course, with this lineup we’d need to play aldridge at the 5 some and this is also assuming that oden is ready to be a beast next year.
by ericking on Jul 9, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a fan of having only one center, i personally wish we had signed Steven of Nazereth last year instead of Shav
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like sending away Joel
Especially before we see Oden capable of playing 30+ minutes on a nightly basis. We HAVE to keep Joel for at least this year while Oden hopefully proves himself.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love joel
and i would hate to see him go as i believe he is a core member. however, i think his trade value is at an all time high and there’s a chance he could be gone in a year, anyway. i believe that getting wallace in return would be a great deal.
by ericking on Jul 9, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even then...
I value Joel and his role on the team more than Wallace.
by pdxer in dfw on Jul 9, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to keep Joel
He’s our enforcer. Who will start scuffles when he’s gone?
by Sargent on Jul 9, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Charlotte part with their best player for Joel?
by Rudy4three on Jul 9, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the 1 million dollar question
cap relief?
by ericking on Jul 9, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't.
VOTE CLOUDYDAYS
JUNK DRAWER 09/07/09
by The Pirate on Jul 9, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm personally...
Impartial to Gerald Wallace…I think Portland could play Milsap at the 3 and would be better off keeping Pryzbilla as an insurance policy unless we land a second big (Tyrus Thomas)
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milsap isn't quick enough at the 3...
He’s a 4…and that’s about it…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
by raggmopp on Jul 9, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Charlotte Bobcats would never do that deal.
That aside, I have no desire to part with Joel Przybilla whatsoever.
by AK1984 on Jul 9, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NASH...please NASH!!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n9mpwz
I like this trade…although it will never happen…..oh man if we had nash though!
by the-L-train on Jul 9, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
please not nash, please not
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
safe to say we have no interest in Nash
if we did, we would have expressed some interest in Kidd last week
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
still we were apparently trying to get andre miller, so...
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
There was a rumor going around but KP squashed it like a bug.
by Balian on Jul 9, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really, i thought it was a deal that fell through
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bedge is really slow today
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
by Zaron5551 on Jul 9, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An aging PG with no defense
who can’t play a halfcourt offense? He’d be like 110% of Blake.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nash would be great
in Nate’s slow-it-down offense.
by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put down the trade machine...
…and step away slowly. Nobody needs to get hurt here.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahahahaha
Thanks for the laugh. rec
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Crack move is..........
Portland: Blake, Outlaw, Trade exception
New Orleans:Chris Paul, David West
But hey, it works in the trade machine. (lol)
by philthebballplayer on Jul 9, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My trade
Much more reasonable I think.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold the Press, there's Talk?
Talk? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
Isn’t that what freak’n GMs do all day?
This is news?
by ralphzillo on Jul 9, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if they deny deny deny
its true its true its true
by FrenchToast on Jul 9, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you hope, you hope, you hope
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Hinrich
Then another trade within the next two years for the rights to Ricky Rubio. PG solved.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And then four years out, who are you gonna get? What about six years out, after Brandon does his knee???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 9, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Hinrich/Rubio
PG is solved for 10 years. With Roy/Rudy, our SG is solved for 10 years.
Our back court(barring injury) is absolutely secure for 10 years? No one in the NBA can say that.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is time to rename this site BLAZERSEDGE LIVE.
Listen: KP is making a deal for ONE PIECE. Either now by FA or later by trade.
I don’t need to hear crackpot theories about 3 team trades that never are gonna happen, complete with speculation about theoretical distribution of minutes (listed by quarter, of course!), guesses about who will be offended and will opt out to early free agency, or the like.
ONE PIECE.
MINOR TINKERING.
THEN WE START THE SEASON.
I’ve never seen a bigger pack of lemmings in my life!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 9, 2009 5:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Official Site Logo (newly revised)
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 9, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ONE PIECE
Only one small pebble can start a landslide… —some Chinese dude
After listening to KP talking to Canzano I’m inclined to agree with you. He’s not going to make a major shakeup, he likes his roster. To his way of thinking, there’s nothing about the PG position that needs a drastic upgrade. His goals remain the same, add toughness and veteran help, and much of that can be done by adding Millsap to the roster and subtracting Outlaw. Then, a veteran PG to play “behind” Steve/Jerryd would be the finishing touch
Last years rookies will improve, probably a lot. The gap between Portland and the elite WC teams will shrink even more and the team will win a playoff series (or two) and still be among the youngest rosters in the NBA. This is a realistic goal, all it would take is good health and improved execution
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Laker phan...
you’ve seen more lemmings…easily
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
by raggmopp on Jul 9, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not to high on Hinrich. I don’t think he is an upgrade although his defense is better than Blake’s. I am popping a little rod over Millsap if he says he is willing to be a back up. In hindsight thank goodness Hedo is not a blazer
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 5:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Utah can't free up cap without us
In the end we have to choose between Millsap and Hinrich.
Personally, Millsap>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hinrich
by philthebballplayer on Jul 9, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Opinions FTW !!!!!!!
Hinrich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mill….sap(the life out of our team… jk ;)
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milsap
I have a real issue giving such a big contract to someone who is essentially just LMA’s backup.
by Sargent on Jul 9, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With a “toxic” contract we could offer a fair contract to Millsap. To the point Utah would have no way to resign especially if the 3 way trade doesn’t pan out. How about CP3 being available next year with New Orleans financial woes?
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 5:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
blake/hinrich
Does anyone else remember blake getiing smoked by arron brooks in the playoffs?? I do and it sucked. That doesn’t happen with kirk.
by Jonny1time on Jul 9, 2009 5:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Houston was willing to trade Battier and Brooks for Rubio. Why wouldn’t we trade outlaw and przybilla for that same tandem? Battier is a perfect fit and Brooks seems to be growing into the role of a NBA point guard
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 5:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Stop With the Brooks Homerism
Brooks is nothing but a shoot it first point guard. They come a dime a dozen.
by Balian on Jul 9, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a little more than that.
He has a lot of offensive game and improving court vision. The only real knock on him is defense, but he’s only a second year player. Even if Hinrich is better than Brooks right now, I’d rather have him long term than Hinrich or Blake.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see Houston making that trade unless they got an elite, young point in return, such as a Rubio.
by Sargent on Jul 9, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest thing about that trade is przybilla. With yao being out indefinitely, they need a proper center. The tallest player on their team is scola at 6 foot 9 inches. Joel is the key to this trade. Houston is real close to rebuilding mode
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 6:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with leaf hawk. He is a second year player and did you see what he did to us in the playoffs? He is similar to bayless, except for size, but has better court vision and the ability to dish the ball. I don’t even think bayless is the answer. I feel he is just as expendible as Blake and Outlaw
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 6:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
We would have to include Bayless
In which case… We might as well deal for Hinrich now, Rubio later. ;)
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milsap/Boozer
Why would the Jazz prefer Milsap over Boozer? Contract extension issues down the line?
by Sargent on Jul 9, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Boozer will be playing in his last year this upcoming season with his expiring contract and with Milsap being 24 you know they would love to resign him to replace boozer
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 6:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Just seems odd that they can’t find a team other than the bulls to take an All Star, even if he is up for a new contract.
by Sargent on Jul 9, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bulls don’t want to come close the luxurious tax. They want to keep a comfortable ceiling over their head
by elkaholic84 on Jul 9, 2009 6:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Because
Millsap actually tries to play defense? Takes great shots?.. Just a thought.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I am gonna cry
Please don’t let this be the big move. I know a lot of folks here are enamored with him, but count me as highly skeptical. I know last year he was injured and Rose was the starter which would deflate his numbers, but what about 2007-08? As shown below they seem really, really pedestrian. 35% from 3, 41.4% from the Field, 11.5 points and 6 assists in 31.7 minutes just does not blow me away. I HOPE you guys are right about him and that I am wrong. He better turn out to be “Captain Kirk” and not Crewman # 6 as I am afraid or our Window might close before ever getting fully opened…
07-08 CHI 75 72 31.7 4.4-10.6 .414 1.1-3.2 .350 1.6-1.9 .831 1.2 0.3 2.1 3.0 0.4 2.9 3.3 6.0 11.5
by ebnerblazer on Jul 9, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
07-08 was a bad year
An absolutely horrible November that his stats never recovered from. A lot of different reasons have been suggested for it, but I don’t think anyone will ever know completely what went on with the Bulls that season and what is primarily to blame for a really promising young team to all of a sudden all suck at once.
His stats were quite good in the years before that, and if you consider per minute stats and his PG/SG splits this season it shows that he’s bounced back from the nightmare season. I know people like to make a huge deal out of it, but it’s not that uncommon for guys in the NBA to have a fluke bad or fluke good year.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 9, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it a bad year or the beginning of a trend though?
by ebnerblazer on Jul 9, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you read that second paragraph
Post-injury he played pretty darn well, much better than people seem to be giving him credit for. He played fewer minutes, which keeps his per game stats down, but per minute stats and shooting post-All-Star game and playoffs were great. (That would be great in the context of Kirk’s career, mind you, not suggesting superstar level or anything.
Post All-Star .447 overall and .454 from 3 and .809 FT shooting percentages, per36 14.5 points, 4.5 assists (while playing half his time at SG), 3.3 rebounds, 1.8 steals, .6 blocks, 2 TOs
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 9, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Andre Miller?
This is what Bleacher report has to say,
6) Andre Miller—Philadelphia 76ers
A point guard maestro, Miller is a master at putting his teammates in the best positions to succeed offensively. His best trait is his genius-level basketball IQ which allows him to understand exactly what is happening on the court under every circumstance.
Miller knows how to elevate his teammates by delivering them the ball in their comfort zones, and by reading defenses and making the smartest pass leading to the easiest scoring opportunity. And when the offense stalls, Miller knows when to take over a game and use his own mid-range jumper to provide offense. His defense is average, as is his shooting range, but there are only a handful of point guards in the NBA better at leading a team than Miller is.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/66764-erick-blascos-top-30-nba-point-guards/page/3
by ebnerblazer on Jul 9, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The word is that KP ain't interested
For the same reasons I and some here aren’t— he’s a really bad defender (worse than Blake) and had a career year of 28% three point shooting this recent season.
Mo—
by Mortimer on Jul 9, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3's are good to have, but...
So is running an offense efficiently which from what I can tell he does quite well. Besides, I would like to see us go to the hole more often (and not just Roy). The “old fashioned” 3 pt play works pretty good too. As far as his D goes Hollinger actually put him in the honorable mention category along with Hinrich and a few others so he D must not be THAT bad. Does anyone really expect Kirk to stay in front of Brooks, CP3 and others of that nature? I’d be happy with a PG who is another high BBIQ player with leadership skills, durable, can score, can create etc, and be an average defender. Aldridge, Batum and Oden should be able to provide some decent help D as needed.
by ebnerblazer on Jul 9, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is way old
And needs the ball to be able to provide anything whatsoever.
I didn’t see Hollinger give Miller an honorable mention, but Miller isn’t a good defender. At all.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 9, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"needs the ball"
Not nearly as much as Bayless.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know that?
His defensive potential is one thing that doesn’t need the ball. And he could shoot in college.
If Andre Miller is playing off the ball, he is pretty much doing nothing out there on the court.
M—
by Mortimer on Jul 10, 2009 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
Ricky Rubio already has a better basketball IQ then Andre Miller ever had, or ever will have. Much further ahead of Tony Parker as a rookie, which is insane to think.
International prospect wise, I haven’t seen this level of barbecue since Arvydas Sabonis.
Miller cost’s too much & many of the Philly fans + media belive his defense is lowering significantly since he joined the sixers.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 9, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow!
> Ricky Rubio already has a better basketball IQ then Andre Miller ever had, or ever will have.
a little hyperbole for breakfast?? Ever see Andre Miller play?
I HATE BASKETBALL IQ. It’s not rocket science – it’s HOOPS! – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 10, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
milsap
Jason quick was adamant that portland isn’t taking part in the 3 way deal with chi and utah. He made it sound like they wanted to pay milsap period. From what I’ve heard as far as lamarcus wanting a substantial amount of money. Something like 11 mil a year or more. Which is quite a bit for him. You think we plan to throw a grip at milsap who’s a hell of a player, and trade LMA?
by Jonny1time on Jul 9, 2009 7:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
no
We all value Brandon and LaMarcus so much. We know they are a part of this organization for a long time.
KP repeated this twice for emphasis during today’s 9 minute interview
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just who is Awoj?
Besides, Toronto will probably just swoop in and screw things up for the Blazers.
by kuhnsmith on Jul 9, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they mean Adrian Wojnarowski of SI and Yahoo Sports
Of course, it’s Twitter, so it could be a fake Wojnarowski, which still couldn’t be much worse than the real thing.
by chnews on Jul 9, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys, Bulls fan here.
I came over here to ask what you guys thought about a potential trade for Hinrich with us. Good reads and I’m happy to hear that both teams look like they would be happy in a number of deals.
A few points about the potential trade rumored on espn.com
1) We send Tyrus and an expiring contract (we have Jerome James and Tim Thomas at about 6 mil each, Jones contract may be insurance covered as well) to Utah. That equals a little over 11 million.
2) We send Hinrich over to you guys. He’s at 9.5 million currently.
3) We receive Boozer from Utah, he’s a little over 12 million.
4) Now, this is the part that wasn’t included in this rumor but was in previous rumors. The Bulls would receive something like Blake (4.9 mil expiring) and Outlaw (4 million expiring) from you.
Now, currently, in my view, this deal is best for the Bulls and slightly positive for Portland and possibly positive for Utah (depends how bad they want to resign Milsap and stay near the luxury tax threshold).
The salaries match up pretty well, so it is a deal that could realistically happen.
The bulls trade Hinrich, who with Rose’s arrival is now either a backup PG or an out of position SG, neither of which is good value for his 9 million dollar contract. We also trade Tyrus, who while a young and potentially good player, would easily be replaced by the arrival of Boozer. We throw in expiring deals (we also have Miller expiring at around 11 million) to make it work. We also are setup to either resign Boozer if him and Rose work well with the pick and roll, or have another 12 million free next year to add to Miller’s expiring contract. Blake is a good backup to Rose and Outlaw helps us replace Ben Gordon’s scoring. Both deals expire next year, so we’re freeing up another 9 million or so if we decide Blake and Outlaw don’t fit.
Portland does this deal because Hinrich is a good PG fit for your team, an upgrade from Blake. Perhaps we have to throw in a future pick or some other considerations to make this work for you guys.
Utah does this because they are in the tax and want Milsap. Boozer has also made it clear that he wants more money next year and Utah seems to have no interest in paying them that money. So they are getting a good young player in Tyrus, they have the ability to resign MIlsap and save some money with one of our expiring contracts.
So there you have it. We are trying to build around Rose, you guys are building well around Roy and Utah is trying to shed some older weight to build around Deron Williams. I think this trade works out pretty well, thoughts?
3)
by RyPac13 on Jul 9, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
in a cocaine heartbeat.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very rational proposal
But I am not sure the Jazz head shed can get out of the we are screwed denial mode to do it.
by southern oregon on Jul 9, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls would receive something like Blake (4.9 mil expiring) and Outlaw (4 million expiring)
Blake 4,000,000 + Outlaw 3,600,000 × 125 + 100,000 = 9,600,000
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm
I don’t think you’ll get much argument from the folks around here, we’ve been proposing Blake+Outlaw = Hinrich until those numbers above are burned into my brain. Somehow, I don’t think the Bulls and Blazer’s GM and front office are as “amicable” about these particular players being dealt for each other
Perhaps we have to throw in a future pick or some other considerations to make this work for you guys.
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by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it me, or do the bulls make out like bandits in this offer?
so.. your suggesting
hinrich & tyrus for boozer, blake, and outlaw. yeah, if im a bulls fan whats not to like (how many years has it been since youve had a low post threat?).
so.. your suggesting
hinrich & tyrus for boozer, blake, and outlaw. yeah, if im a bulls fan whats not to like (how many years has it been since youve had a low post threat?).i know hinrich for blake and outlaw has been throw about his forum before and that seems somewhat reasonable, and thats what the blazers would net out of this 3 way, but seems we should get something else in return for helping the bulls land boozer and letting the jazz keep millsap. seems like the blazers could send one of blake or outlaw, and the bulls would still be psyched.
so.. your suggesting
hinrich & tyrus for boozer, blake, and outlaw. yeah, if im a bulls fan whats not to like (how many years has it been since youve had a low post threat?).i know hinrich for blake and outlaw has been throw about his forum before and that seems somewhat reasonable, and thats what the blazers would net out of this 3 way, but seems we should get something else in return for helping the bulls land boozer and letting the jazz keep millsap. seems like the blazers could send one of blake or outlaw, and the bulls would still be psyched.am i missing something? granted, im mainly looking at this from a talent viewpoint, as im not so familiar with the salary/cap issues.
by bekrul on Jul 10, 2009 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't we do better
I guess everyone is on the Hinrich bandwagon, but personally I don’t see it. I’m not even an Outlaw fan, but Blake and Outlaw is too much. I’m hoping for a much better PG than Hinrich. Okay, maybe Outlaw and our extra cap space for Hinrich would work, and then we could maybe use Blake in a trade for a forward. But even better than that would just be getting a better PG and having Blake as the back up. Use some combo of Outlaw, Bayless, Fernandez, and Pryzbilla for a really good PG alla Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, someone of that quality. Hinrich is only slightly better than Blake, and he doesn’t take our team up to where we want to go.
by desperationshot on Jul 9, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Eggers was on MSP this AM
He said a Blazer source he trusts said the Bulls are not interested in trading Hinrich
This confirms my suspicions ever since Detroit signed Ben Gordon
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by two4larue on Jul 10, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
Getting the Kim Kardashian white teeth ad on this site? i say pick up Hinrich. Better shooter/scorer. I like his game.
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by Terry Gamble on Jul 10, 2009 7:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I've never noticed her teeth.
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by 22baylor on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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