Hollinger on Millsap
by Ben. on Jul 9, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
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John Hollinger is worth the price of ESPN Insider.
Here's most of his take on Millsap to Portland (including sign and trade thoughts); for the full read and a great breakdown of the complicated Shawn Marion trade that includes the word "denuded," click here.
Portland can offer five years, $45 million with its current cap space, or five years, $52 million if it renounces its rights to Joel Freeland and Petteri Koponen. I like the former arrangement for two reasons. First, there's no reason to go punting away two assets for no reason. And second, $52 million is too much money for Millsap.
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Matching an offer for Millsap would put the Jazz $11 million over the luxury-tax threshold at the lower contract, $12 million at the higher. That's another reason not to bother with the $53 million: It really doesn't change the economics much for the Jazz.
During the seven days Utah has to match, the two sides could also agree to a sign-and-trade with the same contract terms for Millsap. If Utah included Kyle Korver and took back Travis Outlaw and the rights to Koponen and Freeland, the Jazz would be only $2 million over the tax and could probably dump the remaining salary at the trade deadline if need be.
Finally, Utah could preemptively agree to a sign-and-trade before Millsap inked an offer sheet with Portland. In that case, he could get a six-year deal with 10 percent raises. The carrot for Utah would be to include Matt Harpring in the above trade instead of Korver. Millsap would get a six-year, $55 million deal in that scenario and the Jazz would be only about half a million dollars over the tax threshold.
Report from Summer League practice coming later today. Just a head's up, the report could be a little later than usual as there are questions whether my laptop will be able to stay powered without Kevin Pritchard's golden aura producing the necessary electricity in the Practice Facility media room. Stay tuned.
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hasn’t this been out there for a few days now?
by Ben. on Jul 9, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but its being discussed on SLC radio now
see: http://twitter.com/1280TheZone
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben
you might wanna try to get some info from those guiys (via twitter, your good at that :) Also one of their hosts John Lund, used to be a host in portland
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but who knows this offseason? lol i guess we’ll wait and see
by Ben. on Jul 9, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really hard on KP for not doing anything
But I would be satisfied with just signing Roy and Aldridge and i know everyone was freaking out last night, i just hope he comes out today and refutes that stuff….and i think you have alluded to the fact that its just fabrication…
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I remember
why I only read BlazersEdge.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
by jamon51 on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the first trade idea.
Kyle Korver is kind of a one trick pony, but its nice to have someone like that, even if they wouldn’t get big minutes here. Not to mention he’s possibly worth more in future trades for a PG than Outlaw might be. I could be wrong about those perceptions, but who knows? Harpring doesn’t do anything for me.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Harpring
is one of the toughest dudes in the NBA
it might be good to add him to one of the least tough rosters in the NBA
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose, but do you really need another SF that's not an offensive producer?
Batum already works as a defensive SF. And if Webster is still having trouble adjusting after the long layoff, Harpring isn’t going to be able to contribute offensively. Korver at least could do a little to help us there with his 3 point range.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he is just going to be
a 10th man he is perfect. He will never complain about minutes and always gives it his best. If someone is going off on us and needs to be given a hard foul then Harpring would be the first guy to do it.
If you can give him 5-10 minutes a night and have his attitude rub off on this team, then it is well worth it.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's injured
…and likely to not see much PT, if any at all. Think Raef LaFrentz.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
by jamon51 on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it hard to believe
that Coach Sloan would want any part of Travis Outlaw
but if it happens (Trout going to Utah) 95.5 will need to call John Lund during the Jazz’ training camp for “Outlaw v. Sloan updates”
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Travis would be fine
I’ve never heard of a coach having issues with Outlaw and Sloan somehow managed to work with Andrei Kirilenko.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the attitudes
Sloan is ultra-competitive and old school
Outlaw is laid-back and likes to shoot with a “green light”
I foresee fireworks
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis outlaw from missisipi in Utah?
oh man
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 9, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love it:
there are questions whether my laptop will be able to stay powered without Kevin Pritchard’s golden aura producing the necessary electricity in the Practice Facility media room.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I laughed pretty good over that.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its all about Ben's blasts on Jay Jensen
those are classic….
jay jensen standing outside b roy house dressed up as a begger with a sign that says “vietnam vet every dollar counts”
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Milsap is foreign enough for the Blazers
I won’t complain if he becomes a Blazer though.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what if he had a name change
to Milchapeaux and wore a jaunty beret? Do we renounce Koponen and Freeland for that kind of dedication?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious, but pointless !
We don’t need any more Frenchies !! One is enough !!
COINCAST SUCKS !!! GOING ON YEAR # 3 !!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. – Sign Milsap NOW !! We need more toughness !@!
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jul 9, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I would add on this anecdote
when Jason Kapono was asked about being drafted in the second round instead of the first he responded that he would have been a first rounder if he had grown a beard and changed his name to Kaponovich.
I have been a fan ever since.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He grew up in Louisiana - that's pretty foreign
by Sonic Boom on Jul 9, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don't do countys
it’s all about the Parishes
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i learned that from my 7th grade math book
when you had to fill out the info i wrote
name: mittsabishy hornung
sex: yes please
grade: 7
state: ohio
city: cincinnati
county: hamilton
parish: robert
i made the same two jokes as every single other boy in my class.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Jul 9, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand the point of the sign and trades?
Doesn’t Portland, by agreeing to S&T Millsap with Utah basically still have to pay Millsap, but we then swap Trav for Korv, which to me seems like a terrible trade, plus get rid of the rights to Petko and Freeland. Basically all that seem to do is improve Utah, since the alternative would be to let them match and go over the cap.
Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t understand the point of agreeing to S&T when we either can just get him outright, or make the Jazz pay him more than they want to and go over in the process.
by pdxlifer on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
part of it may be
that it keeps Utah from tying up cap space for a full week, and the other is that it would allow a 6 instead of 5 year contract as only the team with the players bird rights can offer 6 years.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cue the...
“We want to give Millsap six years but won’t even give Roy five?!?!” complaints.
by Twith on Jul 9, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, what I am wondering:
couldn’t a “sign and trade” eliminate the situation where the Blazers bid up Millsap’s contract, so, if nobody else want’s him that much, he winds up signing up for a lot less? In that case he is cheaper, and we trade for that contract, assuming, of course Utah will play along to get whatever we want to trade ? Of course, in any deal, you are going to do better if you don’t cast yourself (certainly openly) in a “must have” position. You go for a “good” deal. It is not like he is “essential”.
by Berkeley on Jul 9, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the goal is to get Hinrich this works
I wouldn’t do anything to help the Jazz since they are a division rival, so we shouldn’t do them any favors with any sign-and-trades to improve their cap situation…..
HOWEVER….
If our goal is to get Hinrich, and we can simply send Outlaw and some cap space out to get him, I’m in favor of that. Chicago would get Boozer, but they’re in the East so who cares. We get the PG we want/need, and don’t have to give up too much to get him. I’m not liking the deal as much if we have to give up Steve Blake, but would totally welcome Harpring, Korver, or Ty Thomas if they end up coming in the deal.
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the only people who seem to think the goal is to get Hinrich are the very vocal KH fan club here on BE. The Blazers have shown no interest up until now on upgrading the PG spot, and have even said publicly it’s not a priority. That could all be BS and the Blazers could indeed go get KH, but honestly it’s clear that he’s not their #1 goal at all, and the constant drumbeat to the contrary is getting a bit silly IMO.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1280 in Utah is reporting the Hinrich thing, not the KH fanclub.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and are we sure they aren’t just picking up on internet rumors, the same way our radio stations here do? rumors and ideas get floated on blogs, and the next day the radio can’t stop talking about it, and they call it a “rumor”, even though it was just a trade idea thrown out by a blogger or blog commenter.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Source” tells me that Jazz R trying 4 a 3 way w/ Port and Chi to send Booze to CHI and PG Heinrich to Port so Blazers don’t offer Millsap
Could it be wrong? Absolutely. Probably is. Doesn’t mean that it is just a fabrication of Blazer fans.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jazz are trying for a 3-way
but is Portland interested? I’ve yet to hear anything that substantiates that.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher said something to that effect, though, didn’t he?
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's fatty with his "Kiirk Hinrich fanboys" take?
coming in 3…2…1
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got locked in the basement by his Mom . . .
for not cleaning up his room, but cleaning out the fridge !
. . . and for POOR punctuation and grammar !!
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jul 9, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there have been long-standing talks between Portland and Chicago about Hinrich.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I live Blazers coverage. I can’t recall ever reading any substantiated reports about actual talks between the clubs. I’ve seen a LOT of fans talking about how much it makes sense and how much they want it to happen though.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
per Ben a few weeks ago.
hinrich chatter is all over the board today. heard from 2 ppl off the record who say its serious confirming stein/ford/awoj.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kk, thanks
it still feels like the KH talk has been a driven a LOT more by fans than by actual credible reports of talks. Not saying I wouldn’t take him, but I think the evidence is thin at best that somehow the Blazers are targetting him as a high priority. More like a 3rd or 4th fallback plan.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been character questions (reported by Maxey) and troubles getting the sides to agree, but there is no question that Portland is somewhat interested in him.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhat interested, absolutely
but the point I was raising is that he is clearly not our #1 priority. and probably not #2 or #3 either. But almost every time a move is being discussed, the KH crowd comes out and trys to spin it as the move is just the setup move for our “real” goal, which is to get KH. It just comes off as completely ridiculous.
If KH was/is our top priority, we’d have moved for him already.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember the draft day report
where Hinrich was telling friends we was going to Portland?
not to say it still couldn’t happen, but ithis story reminds me of “the boy who cried wolf”
let “the wolf” have him, I’m tired of getting up out of my easy chair
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
and this tweet was followed up by….nothing on the subject. No mention in the next days main page posts by either Ben or Dave, nothing on O Live, nothing on the ’net. Nothing.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher followed it up this week.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
im not saying there hasn’t been talk. But it seems pretty farfetched to me, and goes against all confirmed evidence, that somhow KH is our grand master #1 option plan, which is what I see constantly suggested around here.
That was really my point.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, my point was that it had been talked about at some point
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll happen. AK9184 has been working on KP about Hinrich for years.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick listed the guys that KP "really" liked yesterday on 1080
Devin Harris, Rudy Gay, etc…but not Hinrich
it would’ve been so easy to get Cap’n Kirk last Feb with RLEC (and Blake was injured at the deadline)
I’m going to have to agree with douglast, KH is an urban legend until we hear KP speak into a DVR re: him
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Quick was right about something?
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will believe it only when the deal has been inked & done...
The combination of Hedo debacle, time wasted pursuing him for what looks like nothing, and now the standstill with BRoy has tarnished KP’s reputation in my eyes. If we don’t sign either Millsap or Bass (which only addresses one of our three issues) soon and choose to stand pat, this summer has been a complete failure considering the $7+ million in cap space and current assets (in-house & over seas) we could utilize to improve.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just said "if" that's the goal the trade works, I didn't give any opinion on Hinrich or if there's actually interest
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 9, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not trying to pick on you
but i’ve been seeing this idea that somehow KH is our top priority stealth target posted on BE constantly, and I just don’t see it as being credible. Your comment was just the latest one, and the one I chose to respond to with my thoughts.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Harpring is (was?) a serious enforcer in the paint
I don’t know if he’s able to play anymore, but he’d definitely add toughness.
Korver is a great shooter, but his defense isn’t that great.
by ninjasocks on Jul 9, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Harpring was considering retirement
by dg77 on Jul 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the only problem
I don’t know if he’s got enough in the tank or has the desire to give it one more go. I think he’d be happy with scraps for minutes, if he is interested, though.
by ninjasocks on Jul 9, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of getting Harpring
He doesent have a ton left in the tank, but he would be a welcome addition and an instant fan favorite.
The only probably maybe that his jazz jersey is actually an elaborate tattoo so it may be hard to cover that up
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harpring is a salty dude
He and Jerry Sloan are the three toughest people in Utah. Yes, three, because by the time you get through the entire population, there’s enough of Harpring and Sloan from the first time around that the leftovers make the third toughest person.
by Twith on Jul 9, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even care anymore
I want a warm body that bangs at the back up 4. That’s it. I’m much more concerned about the reported stalled negotiations between the Blazers and Brandon. GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS!
OLP is the best thing Canada has given the world outside of maple syrup
by SuperDave on Jul 9, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Bass?
j/k. I highly doubt there are any real stalls. He’s only be able to sign for two days and the Blazers have other areas of focus. If a month goes by and Roy/Aldridge still aren’t signed then it becomes something of a story, but I don’t even begin to worry unless we start the season without extensions signed.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we sign and trade?
There is no motivation for the Blazers to do one. We have all the leverage. If Utah wants to match, let them and they can dwell in luxury tax hell for eternity or blow up the team in a year. S&T is the worst possible solution for the Blazers, because it is the only one that doesn’t completely screw over a division rival.
by thejazzhippie on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
very lopsided trade
this could be KP’s chance to pull off the Gasol/Billups deal we’ve all been waiting for
let’s see what he comes up with, there’s no need to wack off his leverage “handle” right down the middle
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you do a sign and trade if Millsap isn't your highest priority
Basically, Portland can get Millsap to agree to a deal and agree for Portland to talk to Utah. Then Utah can say, “If you can work out a deal to get your guy, and make it so we can get what we want, then we’ll do a sign and trade.” Then KP can call any team that might want some of his guys and some of Kevin O’Connor’s guys and make a deal. KP might already have someone who told KP that if he could get them Boozer or Milsap, then they’ll give Portland their guy. The Blazers don’t need to go into it with the intentions of screwing Utah, they should go into it with the intentions of making the Blazers better any way they can.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes alot of sense.
But if Milsap is our guy, the S&T doesn’t jive.
by thejazzhippie on Jul 9, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way
Portland trades capspace to the Jazz to sign Millsap and the Jazz trade da kine to Portland so they can trade it for a different da kine. I have no idea what will happen, but it seems like it would totally help out the Jazz after Boozer decided to stay.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Threshold for KP Is Low
To be honest, KP doesn’t have to do anything this summer and the Trailblazers will still improve. All of our players will be better next year. He just need to lock up Roy and Aldridge. I don’t believe for a second KP will not do this.
Worse case scenario, KP will have $7-8 million cap space at the deadline to work with. Considering the cap space will be reduced by around $10 million next year, I have a feeling their will be a lot of desperate teams looking unload players come next February.
It is really a win win situation for KP, even if he gets nothing done this summer …if he doesn’t panic.
by Balian on Jul 9, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trail Blazers
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
still wondering what that change is all about. The new logo and name change were just snuck in in the middle of the night, much like the Colts move to Indy back in the day. No announcement, no fanfare, no explanation.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a new internet wave
Well, its been a trend for awhile now. People are combining words to make new names/words. It started with reserving domain names, etc. With Blazer edge, the space is unnecessary.
by Balian on Jul 9, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the hubub
about the the logo, or the fact that they took the space out of the name. It is still the same site. But w/e we have to have something to argue over I guess.
Ben II Blazersedge.com || New to Blazers' Edge?
by usmcr3049 on Jul 9, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The moderator thing went over without a hitch after all the pre-announcements
I don’t blame Dave for not telling anyone that he was going to change it. I also think some folks are disappointed that they were not included in the change, because it would have been a fun distraction in the off season.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would divert the chatter from trade suggestions
and arguments over stat methodologies? Blasphemy!
by MiledAnimal on Jul 9, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazer Sedge?
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's how I've always read it
we should call ourselves “the Sedge”
yeah, that’ll catch on about as well as the Spanish AIR-mada…nobody else thinks like me…must be the lefthandidness
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Mr. Sedge
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Quick on Roy/LMA
Wheels comes on the air in an hour. No doubt he’ll be addressing this. Of course he works for the team, so some amount of spin/PR/damage control is to be expected, but more information will be welcomed regardless.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
then Canzano will come out at 3
and he’ll be taking irate phone calls ’til 6
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance a Millsap signing would allow us a play for Prince (not through Boozer trade)
Przybilla, Outlaw, and change to make a play for Prince after a Millsap signing might be possible.
Detroit was Portland’s main suitor for Przybilla in 2005 (of course still in midst of run at this point), and they just signed Villanueva- a guy might be the worst starting post defender in the league- to be their starting power forward. Przybilla might even that out. Furthermore, Outlaw might somewhat soften the blow of losing Prince, while continuing their “score-first” trend of acquisitions this summer. An idea, perhaps not a good one.
by The Graduate on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what about this?
rudy and outlaw to the sixers for Andre Igoudala.
Iggy can shoot and defend (although solid, his 3 point % leaves a bit to be desired), and defend small forwards, I read somewhere, and he can hit big shots. I’m thinking you could start him alongside Roy and have Batum come in for whomever, roy or iggy. Philly gets Rudy and Trout – some offense to fill two positions – and enough salary relief to get under the cap, or right near it. Then maybe use Blake and Webster to swing a trade for a point?
by kronenbrau on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Iggy
And I bet you do too, but the same reasons we like him is the same reasons Philly is likely to keep him.
And at the very least, if they traded him, it would be for someone equal to his talent level.
Uncle Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 9, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pressure
The Millsap offer sure sounds like a means to push forward a Boozer Hinrich deal with us. First if Utah is balking at what they get back we’re saying fine don’t take the deal and we’ll get the guy you’re actually trying to keep. Secondly, and more likely in my opinion, the Bulls want Boozer and are still asking for more from us somehow. If we threaten to take Milsap, then Boozer is off the table and this offer may serve to jumpstart them back to reality. In the end Hinrich sounds like a combo with Bass, or we get Milsap, not bad either way.
Down with the Ruskies
by TheSabasFan on Jul 9, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough article on KP
in the Oregonian today. B-Roy contract stalls, LMA contract stalls, and no free agents. This salary cap is going to get worse next season.
by Haymon45 on Jul 9, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoopsword take on the extensions
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13248
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, wonder if the Lakers will ever make a play for Roy
Not now obviously, but I can see the Lakers making a strong push to shore up their PG position for the 2010-2011 season. I doubt the Blazers would be dumb enough to let him leave though.
by Coop21 on Jul 9, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is any truth in the four-years-versus-five-years assertion,
it might be that each side knows that contracts won’t be as generous in a couple of years under the new CBA.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 9, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston radio guy has some ambiguous rumor about Przybilla for Battier. Ignore or be interested, I’m pretty skeptical.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coop21,
To even suggest that there is a 1% chance that Roy would leave Portland, let alone to the Lakers, makes me vomit in my mouth a little. I’m eating lunch soon. Come on man..
by halo_on on Jul 9, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can hit reply under his comment
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Jul 9, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually signing Millsap less likely than other options
I love the possibilities with Millsap, but he’s likely not coming.
Utah only lets that happen if they cannot trade Boozer, and even then probably agrees to match on Millsap and still tries to trade away Boozer later in the summer
Portland steps into the breach to take advantage of Utah’s situation, not to sign Millsap, but to restart stalled talks on players at the positions they really want to upgrade in the STARTING rotation, not at a reserve spot: PG and SF.
If Utah fails to come through for Portland in getting Chicago to give us Hinrich, or with Detroit to get us Prince, then Portland “settles” for Millsap, and again, I think we still get better from that signing.
That said, he is the third option in this deal, whether Blazer fans like it or not. He is a means to an end.
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
unless the idea is to sign Millsap and trade Przybilla for Battier. Of course, I would then want to do Blake/Outlaw for Hinrich, but that is probably a pipe dream considering Ben’s comments.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which comment?
I like all of those three moves…why would they not happen? (other than being too good to be true)
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just doesn’t sound like Hinrich will be a Blazer.
I tell you though, that is a title contender.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
I think the Hinrich stuff is stalled, and that is why we are pushing on Utah so hard.
I think we are satisfied if we get Millsap, but really feels like that is a backup plan, rather than a primary plan.
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Millsap would agree to come here to be a backup no matter what's being reported
In addition to what you posted
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben at the PF on twitter:
KP speaking now:
Breaking… KP: “Brandon and LaMarcus will be here a long time.” Negotiations with broy and la are “amicable”. “Disappointed” about Hedo.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
more
KP: “We could do a lot of things but we love” our guys. Team is looking at Millsap, seen potentially as “best player available”
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether it’s this week or next week" KP says agreement will reach, talks continue in good faith"
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP acknowledges potential longer-term financial benefit of 4 year deal for Brandon. KP “will not rule out” either 4 or 5 year deal.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds more like he's looking for what's best for Brandon
Not what’s best for him. Either way, I’d be shocked if Roy isn’t a Blazer for life.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blazersedgeMonty Williams on his interview with Minnesota: “I dunno, it’s not like they send you a report card” lol
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate watching Dante Cunningham shoot 18 footers: “if you keep knockin that down, you’ll be a player.”
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
Breaking: Jerryd “I haven’t worked out with Greg at all this summer, I don’t know where that’s coming from”
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan and other assts have not yet been invited back to coach Team USA in 2012. Remains Interested and open to idea.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see how that is true.
The initial news came from Bayno who worked out with both of them and said they enjoyed working together.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 9, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
and Bayno repeated that he had worked out with Jerryd and Greg in Ohio, earlier this week with Wheels
I think the Blazers are trying to keep Oden’s summertime improvements on the down-low and “someone” has got to Bayless to tell him to keep “waht he saw” under the lid
Unless Bayno is making up stories (but why would he do that?) and why would the Blazers not call him out on it?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even that really doesn’t make a lot of sense. The whole thing seems weird. I hate the off-season.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 9, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep them coming
I cannot access twitter from work
by Falcao on Jul 9, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey Falcao – That’s a good thing. Keep Twitter out of your life.
"Oh yeah? You can Derelique my balls."
"I can Shavlick my own balls."
by Terry Gamble on Jul 9, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I never thought of creating a account or anything
by Falcao on Jul 9, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's like lstening to half of a phone conversation
or reading over someone’s shoulder while they’re texting without being able to see the responses
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hollinger thinks Millsap isn't worth $52 mil, what does that say about LMA?
They arguably have comparable offensive stats. Millsap doesn’t score as much, but rebounds better. I submit that Millsap is tougher and plays better defense. Maybe that’s worth more, maybe it’s not.
Still, if Hollinger thinks Millsap isn’t worth that kind of money then how can LMA be?
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there may be an argument for potential
At 6’8", Milsap has probably reached his potential. He’ll never be a dominant PF or even an average center or SF. At 6’11", LMA has the potential to improve his inside game, fill out, develop his outside shot and get tougher.
Milsap and LMA are running at about the same speed, but Milsap is running on all his cylinders and LMA hasn’t floored it yet.
by ninjasocks on Jul 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1280thezone.com is reporting...
Utah is aggressively pursuing a trade with Portland and Chicago.
The trade would send Carlos Boozer to Chicago, Kirk Hinrich to Portland and Tyrus Thomas + Chicago’s future 1st to Utah. No word on what Portland would give up other than cap space (which is exactly what Utah wants Portland to give up because it would prevent them from offering Millsap such a large contract.)
If this is correct, KP is a genius.
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love this
but it would still leave us weak at backup PF. If only there was someway to get Hinrich and Bass.
I guess if we did get Hinrich we’d deal Outlaw and Blake/Bayless and that could net a decent backup 4. Or maybe put a rookie in there?
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would still leave us weak at backup PF...
Outlaw could still be traded for a PF (assuming Travis isn’t a part of the Boozer-Hinrich deal)
There are quite a few decent PFs who are near Trout’s 3.6 mil$ salary
Hayes, Landry, Kurt Thomas, Scalabrine, etc
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't know if I would go that far
but it would certainly appear to be a good leverage move – and would explain why we haven’t actually offered ’sapp a deal yet.
still, i hardly think getting KH for our capspace is a “genius” move. It’s a nice move. What would make it genius is what kind of follow-up trade he ends up making.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do this, then sign Bass
And let’s rock
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would we have the cap space for both?
And if we do get both we’d need to make another deal to reduce the clutter.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we would be trading for Hinrich...
We would still have the MLE which we could offer to Bass
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have a MLE
You need to start the free agency period over the cap in order to have one.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we still have it
we almost assuredly have not yet renounced the cap holds/excpetions that would officially take us under the cap. we can do so at any time we need to, but no way we’ve done it yet. we preserver options this way.
just like Toronto did.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we don't have it
We were under the cap at the start of free agency. Can someone back me up on this? Because we had this talk during the whole Hedo fiasco.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unofficially, we are under the cap
officially, i would bet anything we are still over. we can go under ANYTIME we want, but it would be foolish to do so prematurely. we maintain more flexibility by waiting until needed.
See Toronto’s recent moves for the exact same example.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where have you heard that we have the MLE?
I’ve only heard we don’t, repeatedly.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard either, in an official capacity
Understanding the rules and how they work, I’m making an educated guess that we are not yet OFFICIALLY under the cap.
There is NO benefit for us making the necessary renouncements to get under the cap until we actually have to do so.
There IS benefit (ask Toronto) for staying over the cap until you absolutely need the space to make a move.
Thus, unless our front office are idiots, we are still “officially” over the cap, with the ability to get under the cap anytime we want. We have not yet needed to do so. This could be one reason we haven’t yet offered anyone a contract (officially), because doing so would require us to make these official movements.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if KP had to go under the cap to make the offer to Hedo
Or if that offer doesn’t “count” until Turk (etc) actually signs the deal?
storyteller needs to stop by and straighten all of this out…
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we made no official offer
official offers couldn’t be made until Tuesday night at midnight. Hedo was gone long before then.
If you recall, by that time he had already agreed to the deal with Toronto, which would have required them to renounce everything on their roster. Yet low and behold, several days later they were able to make the 4-way trade for him and keep their MLE. This is because they never renounced their gusy, nor did they have to until they were ready to make an official offer to Hedo straight up.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS
I’m slightly hurt that you don’t think I’m credible on this topic.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody predicted that the Raptors could do this
I know I asked storyteller before the draft if Portland could sign someone to go over the cap and then use the MLE (etc) and got the standard “not until July 2010” reply
so I filed that intel away and went on my merry way, until we heard that apparently Toronto found a “loophole”
I don’t expect any Bedger to be a complete expert on these matters, and through the years I’ve found that if we don’t ask questions, we’ll continue to be less-informed
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the Blazers have renounced Raef LaFrentz, there's no way we are under the cap yet.
But all it takes is a phone call. But I haven’t heard that this has happened yet.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if we follow the 125% rules
such as sending Outlaw and Blake for KH.
if we do that, we never have to go under the cap, and thus could keep the MLE. but if we are using cap space to absorb salary, then we do have to go under, and thus lose the exceptions
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
we don’t have an MLE. You have to be over the cap at the start of free agency to have one.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are
we have a ton of cap holds, which we no doubt have not yet renounced. exactly the same situation as Toronto was in.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure, i hate numbers. but it would be a lot cooler if we could
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agree
Add Kirk and Bass and I call it a successful offseason.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only person
That doesn’t want Heinrich? I know there was a fan post about it but I just don’t see at ALL why we need a more expensive Blake especially since we have Roy. I’d rather have a back up PF.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops no "e"
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't spell it correctly
It is easier to identify those who aren’t crazy about Hinrich by them misspelling his name!
I think people who don’t like him much should keep spelling in Heinrich.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 9, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Blake were a top 5 defender at PG
Hinrich would be a more expensive Blake
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, but I do think Heinrich is an upgrade over Blake....not sure he's twice the player though (for twice the salary)
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich > Blake
On offense they are basically the same, with Blake being a slightly better passer and Hinrich a slightly better driver. On defense it’s no competition: Blake is in the bottom 50% of defensive PGs and Hinrich is without question top 10 and probably top 5.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again...
when did hemlich develop this rep for being a lock-down defender? isn’t this the guy that couldn’t stop Rajon rondo from averaging nearly a triple double in the playoffs? is that the example of lock-down defending? this KH talk needs to stop. he is not worth the money!!!!!!!!
by retirecards51 on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich spent a lot of time on Pierce
While he probably isn’t all that great on super fast PGs (but who is, really?), he can’t do a pretty good job on SGs and SFs. He would definitely help bolster the backcourt D.
by ninjasocks on Jul 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch that series?
You keep arguing about Rondo’s stats, as if that proves Kirk isn’t a good defender. That might be logical, if Kirk had actually guarded Rondo the majority of the time – but he didn’t, so it’s a pretty lousy argument.
Everyone struggles against the speedy PGs, including the other speedy PGs. It’s the nature of the rules right now. I’d still rather have a quality defender who makes a guy work for his points, takes away his strengths, and shades him to the right spots for help defense, not to mention a guy that can provide help defense and still get back to get a hand up on a shot.
If you watched the series, you would have seen that Kirk did a better job on Rondo than anyone else on the team, and this was without the help of a solid team defensive scheme.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 9, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I come from a background
That thinks you can never have enough white NBA players, just not in fantasy basketball. That totally killed my last team.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indiana?
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I think I called them “Fart Knockers.” I traded for all white players and went from first to last in two weeks.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I had an impartial 3rd party who told me I couldn’t have him or Bibby.
by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you draw the line between white and black players?
Wherever it is, Kidd and Bibby are hugging it.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm not the only person
who is getting tired of the question “is Hinrich really that much better than Blake?” repeated multiple times a day
If only KP or the Bulls could give us some clarity on Kirk’s future, so the rest of us can get on with our lives. We need closure
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but at least the Shawn Marion fanposts have ceased
I should have a party
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same with the Mike Bibby fanposts.
Each signing makes life around here more pleasant.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still seems like an awful lot to trade for such a tiny upgrade at PG.
I’ll be 100% supportive of Hinrich if this deal goes down and he does become a Blazer. I just really think it’s gonna take more than that at PG to win in this league. Here’s hoping Bayless improves and improves quickly.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cap Space is an awful lot to trade?
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not going to be just cap space.
Outlaw and/or Blake will be involved too. Not to mention other possible variables that could alter the exact details of this deal.
I guess more than anything, I’m just not at all sold on Hinrich.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 9, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade sucks...
Only nets Hinrich and solves none of the other problems (SF Log Jam, SG Log Jam, Capable Backup PF, Defensive PG Upgrade, etc.). I can see the advantages of acquiring Hinrich, but I think Portland can trade some combination of Blake, Outlaw, Webster, Prizbilla for Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas – while still acquiring Milsap. I don’t see why the Blazers would settle for Hinrich when they could potentially have Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Paul Milsap, Kyle Korver at the expense of Blake, Webster, Outlaw, Kaponen, Freeland, and/or Pryzbilla.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich doesn't solve our need for a defensive PG upgrade?
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all...
Hinrich only solves our need for a defensive PG…leaves gaping holes at the rest of the positions.
If the consensus is:
Milsap > Outlaw at the 4
Hinrich > Blake at the PG
Korver = Webster at the 3
Tyrus Thomas > Outlaw at the 4
…then acquiring some machination of those players at the cost of Outlaw, Webster, Blake, Picks, Cash, Cap Space, Kaponen, Freeland, and potentially Pryzbilla is a no brainer.
The only unknown is if Blake, Webster, and Outlaw will be enough to acquire Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas. If not, it may require Pryzbilla in which case Pryzbilla and Brad Miller would be a scary pair for Chicago having Jaquim Noah at the PF position. I don’t see any downside to this scenario for Chicago other than they view Boozer > Pryzbilla.
Re: Utah – they are in an interesting situation – if they offer Boozer(and parts) for Hinrich (and Thomas) and match the offer on Milsap, yeah they will be in a huge luxury tax zone – but they will have twarted any chance for Portland to make a significant tallent upgrade this summer while retaining Milsap, but they would have then added a PG who will demand starter minutes mixed in with Deron Williams and a PF that will play behind Milsap = Team Chemistry Hell.
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he doesn't
b/c for some reason a bunch of BE readers have been perpetuating a myth about KH being anywhere from a good defender to one of the best in the league, which is absolutely not the case.
by retirecards51 on Jul 9, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's no All-NBA on defense
But is respected as a quality defender. Always has been.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to read a little before accusing BEdge of fabricating information
Hinrich, just a few years ago (when he was a starter) was ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM ON DEFENSE:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/alldefensive_070430.html
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the next year he was in "others receiving votes"
with more votes than our highest player on the list, Brandon
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name 5 PG better defensively than Hinrich.
Paul?, Kidd?, Parker?, Bibby?, Williams? – Anyone else…oh and how many of those players play on a team where they are not the number 1 point guard?
I’m not a huge Hinrich fan either – I would rather them get someone else (al la Nash), but Hinrich is available and he is an upgrade over Blake in the defense category at no expense in the offense category. Further, his contract is structured in a way that makes it really appealing – he gets cheaper the longer he stays making him easier to trade if it doesn’t work out or if Bayless pans out.
Couple that with the possiblity of acquiring Tyrus Thomas (wasn’t he a #4 overall pick a couple of years ago) and maybe Milsap (you know the guy who was picked late in the 2nd round who has busted his butt to become a starter in the league and is more than willing to play backup PF) – tell me how that is a bad deal for Portland?
Oh and at what cost is it to Portland again
- Outlaw, who don’t get me wrong is a good player, but can’t defend and can’t crack the starting SF position on a team that started a Rookie SF
- Webster, who had a great run 2 years ago and is young enough and has a lot of potential, but doesn’t bang around on the inside and has mediocre defense at best at a position that requires strong defense.
- Kaponen and Freeland, which NBA team are they playing for again, oh wait, they aren’t – and Kaponen had an okay summer league last year but suprisingly isn’t on the team this year
- Cap space, uh…use it or loose it.
- Pryzbilla, the best backup C in the league and I wouldn’t trade him unless I absolutely had to, but the argument that he can walk at the end of 09-10 when a lot of buyers will be on the market makes me a little more willing.
- Blake, the guy who for the last 2 seasons has completely changed his game for the Blazers, who tied the NBA record for assists in a quarter, but doesn’t solve the team’s needs at PG well enough, again don’t get me wrong I like the guy and he will make a great backup PG but if the team can get a good starting PG they should consider trading him to do so.
- Picks – Aside from picking up a C in the draft (if we trade Freeland) then tell me what position Portland needs to draft for next year?
- Cash, Didn’t Paul Allen say go for it?
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see where you are coming from
This doesn’t answer all out issues. Thing is, it would be hard to find a deal that does all at once. Start with this and work forward.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that just creates another logjam at PG
with Bayless being the odd man out… again.
by Arby on Jul 9, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or one of our PG's is what Portland is giving up in the trade.
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Hinrich I'd assume Blake is on the move
I’d be okay with that. Miss him though.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
id rather keep boozer
and work a trade like someone mentioned for brooks and batier
by riccc_l on Jul 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
keep Boozer?
Are you a Jazz fan? or am I missing something?
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 9, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer would be a worse acquisition for us
than Millsap. For so many reasons.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave, is it just me or has BEdge gotten slower over the last couple months? All the activity perhaps?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KP to be on Canzano at 3:05
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lame
Canzano is a thumbs down. Why doesn’t he go on some other show?
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how John will manage to to steer the interview to himself
Should be interesting to hear. I can’t stand that show, but I’ll listen this afternoon to see what KP has to say.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John will talk nice to KP for about 10 minutes
then trash him for 2+ hours afterward
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No joke.
I don’t want to have to listen to Canzano drag on for an hour just to wait for KP to talk.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s like reading a Fatty post just so you’ll understand the comments.
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just curious because I'm lazy and there are a few knowledgable peeps actively posting right now...what's Bass's price range?
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ive heard 4-5 million
not sure how accurate, but I think that’s the range ive read about
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure his best offers thus far are the MLE range
so just under $6 million a year. maybe closer to $5.5 million.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone will offer him full MLE and Cuban will match.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 9, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Hollinger's chat (Live) right now..
Joe ((NY))
any truth to boozer to chicago rumors?
John Hollinger
I’ve had about ten people ask me in here about Boozer to Chicago or three-way deals to Portland, but I haven’t heard a peep yet.
by halo_on on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also (from the chat)
Steve (Mobile)
What are Lamar Odom’s options at this point? With the Dallas and San Antonio improvements, do they need to re-sign him to remain favorites in the west?
John Hollinger
Lakers have to be careful not to overplay their hand lest he ditch them for Portland in anger, but otherwise I think he’ll back — similar money to Marion I’d guess.
by halo_on on Jul 9, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oooh ooh Hollinger's chats are far and away the best, off to espn i go
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/27361
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh he also blasts the Bargnani deal and points out that Toronto is insane in general
Blasts the Hedo deal too
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Lamar Odom a "special fit"?
I’m not getting that impression. Seems like if KP/Nate had wanted LO they would’ve made him an offer while Hedo’s plane was still in the air
Speaking of Turk, I hope he and his wife are getting the “grand tour” of Toronto this week, during the garbage strike. Karma
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we get Hinrich and sign Bass, that would be better than getting just Millsap no?
if we sign Millsap its about value…and I don’t think the intention would be long-term. I think we sign him to a reasonable contract with the cap room that only the Blazers now have, and then swing a deal when things shake out, young talented PFs are always in demand. We drafted Pendergraph and Cunningham for a reason, I don’t think we’d sign Millsap and put those guys totally on the permanent backburner…
OR all the Millsap talk could just be smoke to get Utah to do this deal, where we get the defensive PG upgrade we’ve wanted in Hinrich, but for less cost to us than dealing directly with the Bulls (we’d have to send Travis, Blake + more). By saying we’ll make him an “unmatchable” contract, it forces the Jazz to play ball, because they want Millsap long-term, not Boozer…Boozer opted back in, they didn’t resign him. They get to keep Millsap this way, and Chicago gets a player they want/can help them in Boozer, and all we have to to is give up cap room and maybe 1 player (Travis to clean up the SF rotation or Martell?)…
We get the PG upgrade we wanted at a cheaper price than getting him direct, and we can still sign Brandon Bass or someone along those lines to bolster the frontcourt….
Either way we come out pretty good, I’m for it
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you could make the argument that Bass at 5 mil per is a better value than Millsap at 10 per
Might not be a correct argument, but it wouldn’t get you laughed at. Assuming those are the ballpark numbers of course.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board with that.
Especially if it allows us to get KH.
by GMan83201 on Jul 9, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check this out, I don't really know what it means but I think it could possibly pertain to us...maybe...
Rich (Richmond)
The article discussing the Marion deal mentioned that Toronto gets to keep its mid-level exception; however, a team does not have a mid-level exception when it is under the cap by a certain amount, correct?
John Hollinger (3:35 PM)
Technically, you can use your midlevel even if you’re a bit under the cap. What you can’t do is sign somebody with cap space and use the midlevel in the same year — you can either add players under the cap, or sign them with exceptions to being over the cap, but not both. So if they had signed Turkoglu without doing a trade with Orlando, they’d have no exception to use; because Orlando technically signed Turkoglu and then traded him to the Raptors, Toronto can still use all its Bird rights and exceptions.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 9, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what that means
is we could do a sign and trade and still have MLE to sign Bass. No?
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
what it means (though not well stated), is that even if your contracts put you under the cap, the NBA adds back into that caps holds and phantom amounts for exceptions (including the MLE). If that takes you over the cap, you are treated as an over teh cap team until you decide to renounce your exceptions to officially go under the cap.
For example, let’s say a team has 54 million in salaries. rather than say “you are under the cap, say goodbye to the MLE, instead you can spend 3.7 million”, the NBA adds teh amount of the MLE (and other exceptions) onto that 54 million, which takes the team over the cap. The team can then decide if they want to act as an over teh cap team (by making a sign and trade for example that falls iwthing the 125% parameters), and then use their MLE, or if they want to renounce the MLE and use the 3.7 million to sign a FA or make an unbalanced trade.
Toronto just did this very thing. Portland still can as well, assuming the S & T works under the 125% rules and does not require us to absorb salary
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheels is about to play KP audio from today
http://955thegame.com/Multimedia/ListenLive/tabid/69/Default.aspx
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just started
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 9, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP on paying $ for a backup 4
“I’m a big believer in getting the best player available”
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
followup question: "so you are looking for BPA regardless of position"
“We’re looking for the best opporunity”
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe it took me this long to figure this out.....
KP is a total used car salesman. No matter what he does, he will give the impression things went exactly how he predicted they would. It doesn’t matter what he says, he probably means something else all together. BTW, why are we talking about considering offering a contract to Milsap? Just freakin offer it already!
OLP is the best thing Canada has given the world outside of maple syrup
by SuperDave on Jul 9, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They want to give Utah a chance to act first.
They don’t want to be donkeys and just sign him, thus hamstringing themselves and screwing Utah, without giving them a chance to facilitate a trade first. It’s a kind of nice way to try to force some action. I’d love to see Millsap here, but I suspect this is all a move to force a trade not a FA signing.
by oregon_fan on Jul 9, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No risk in threatening to sign
We want Utah to play ball with us.
If they don’t, then we extend the offer sheet and force their hand.
Smart negotating without taking the risk.
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
by blazer91 on Jul 9, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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