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How to Tell if Blazers are Angling to Get in on a Boozer Trade

Since the Millsap news dropped last night, there have been several comments and fan posts proposing that the Blazers are trying to force Utah to include them in a three-way trade that ships Boozer to another time, give Utah cap space to sign Millsap, and gets Portland a player that they covet.

If you are interested in reading the tea leaves on whether this is a possibility or not, all you have to do is watch for how quickly Millsap is extended the offer. If an offer is extended, the Blazers are likely playing for keeps and it is extremely unlikely they will participate in a Boozer trade.

Here's why a signed offer sheet would make a trade unlikely.

My assumptions:

  • The offer sheet is one that is truly toxic for Utah. Even if they are able to clear cap space via a trade to match the offer, Utah would obviously like to pay a lower price or at minimum restructure the deal. This is particularly true if the offer contains a significant signing bonus.
  • Because the offer sheet is toxic, it is very lucrative for Paul Millsap both in terms of overall money and the amount of up front money. This offer is one that he would love to have.

Once an offer is extended and agreed to, there are three possible outcomes:

  1. Utah decides against matching.
  2. Utah matches.
  3. The offer is rescinded.

For a Boozer trade to happen with Portland, Utah would want the offer to be rescinded so that it can negotiate a less toxic contract with Millsap. This is where it becomes tricky.

The collective bargaining agreement says:

A signed offer sheet can be rescinded within the seven day waiting period if all three parties (the player and the two teams) agree.  http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

Going back to the assumptions, the offer is very attractive to Millsap. Why would he agree to rescind it? It is in his best interest to force either the Blazers or the Jazz to honor the terms of the offer.

Some have suggested that we could trade Millsap after signing. This is also not possible for some period of time. (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q76).

Therefore, a signed offer sheet makes a trade involving Boozer and the Blazers much less likely.

If the Blazers want in on a Boozer trade, they should:

  • Send the offer sheet to Utah first, not Millsap. Let Utah know what the Blazers intend to do and how we'd be very happy with Millsap, but how we also would like Prince/Hinrich/Someone. Are they interested in exploring that option.

  • Sit on the offer sheet for a couple of days. Maybe you tell Utah that they have until end of day Friday to explore trades that involve the Blazers and Boozer. After that period of time, you're sending the offer to Millsap.

  • You coordinate with Millsap's Agent. Millsap has been waiting for something to break free. You're helping this happen. So you coordinate with Millsap's agent to make sure that word gets out that Portland is a viable option and that MIllsap would be happy playing behind Aldridge. Millsap's camp does this because they know no matter what outcome happens, they are going to a good team and will get more money.

The biggest indicator of the possibility of a trade is how quickly and offer sheet is extended and signed. If it happens quickly, the Blazers want Millsap. If it takes a few days, the Blazers are working behind the scenes to see if a trade can happen.

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Very interesting.

Don’t know if that’s what’s happening or not, but you make it sound plausible enough for me to believe.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2009 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think a trade is likely despite this post

I think the Blazers want Millsap.

But I kept reading people arguing that Portland was going to make an offer and thus force Utah into a trade. That scenario seemed unlikely to me if Millsap actually had an offer in hand.

Because this conversation was in so many different threads, I couldn’t easily comment on all of them and say, “hey, if he signs the offer, we can mostly likely forget any trade scenarios.”

I’m not opposed to the trade scenarios. I’d love to have Prince.

by grigs on Jul 9, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definetly Darkstar.

The take may or may not be happening. But I really like the take. I hope we are playing the role of puppetmaster.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The happiest person in this whole negotiation is Paul Millsap. He should send KP a Christmas card.

draft the stache

by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I was just thinking that

I love the behind-the-scenes diplomacy and subterfuge going on here. It’s really interesting.

by Twith on Jul 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Jul 9, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Doesn't Detroit like Boozer?

That would be sweet to get Prince off them for cheap.

by Escrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I think that Detroit likes Boozer as a FA

I’m not sure if they’d go for him if it meant losing a starter at a different position. Chicago wouldn’t really be losing any starters in this trade.

by ninjasocks on Jul 9, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

There has been a lot of trade talks

about boozer going to detroit, as well as chicago

by axel360 on Jul 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Prince available through other means?

Przybilla, Outlaw, and change to make a play for Prince after a Millsap signing might be possible.

Detroit was Portland’s main suitor for Przybilla in 2005 (of course still in midst of run at this point), and they just signed Villanueva- a guy might be the worst starting post defender in the league- to be their starting power forward. Przybilla might even that out. Furthermore, Outlaw might somewhat soften the blow of losing Prince, while continuing their “score-first” trend of acquisitions this summer.

by The Graduate on Jul 9, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is really good analysis

backed up with appropriate links. well done.

The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.

by BlazersOrBust on Jul 9, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Good stuff, gets a rec from me

Well-thought out and presented.

It’s not ironclad, though. We might take a few days to iron out details with Millsap, so a delay may not mean we are trying for a trade. KP may play hardball with Utah, and give them six hours to swing a trade before we give Millsap an offer sheet. So a quick offer or a delay doesn’t necessarily absolutely prove which he is doing.

There’s another problem, too. If we have a tentative agreement on a trade, what then? Do we leave Millsap hanging, or sign an offer sheet? I think we sign it and let Utah match. Players wouldn’t like it if we left a guy hanging like that.

But if we sign it with an offer structured the way Utah would like, then they can just match it and then say, “Too bad, we changed our minds on the trade.”

I say if you want to give him an offer which is poisonous to Utah, you give him the offer. If they can dump Boozer’s salary, they won’t be that badly off even if they have to pay a signing bonus to Millsap.

In other words, if you play nice guy and wait for them to agree to a trade just so they can set the contract structure, you leave either yourself or Millsap vulnerable to getting stuck. I don’t see KP doing that.

So while I like the way you thought this through and presented it, I’m not sure you are right.

I think the Blazers think this is a winner whether they get Millsap or not. Even if there isn’t a trade. At least they can use the cap space to reduce the flexibility of a strong divisional rival.

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by jscot on Jul 9, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I have a feeling...

that the people of Utah are going to hate the Blazers after this summer…..

by jenstcy on Jul 9, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

they already do

bhwahhah

I know I'm wrong, yeeyah.

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

And their blogs too!

Nah, I’m kidding. They’re good people. Their fans is another story though. Bunch of DMLGS’s. I’m kidding again. A lot of my family lives in SLC so they’re all GTGWM.

by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your acronyms are too obscure for Google. I'm not surprised.

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by pualo on Jul 9, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get Salt Lake City

and Good to go with me.

What’s DMLGS?

by austinpwnz on Jul 9, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's hard core FEFOE and REOEOE on the real, SOR.R.R, when you know you're ZOZOZ from too many AEWR's on the back end of the FRE

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by faith on Jul 9, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was just random typing.

I think folks can figure out the other two.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would the Blazers leak this to Quick if they wanted Utah to play ball on a trade?

I think they would go to Utah behind close doors so Utah didn’t look forced into dealing Boozer. The best way to get someone to cooperate is to allow them to publicly make it look like it was their idea.

Maybe there is another possibility. Suppose the Blazers are trying to make a lopsided trade using their cap space with another team, but that team is stalling. So they leak the pending Millsap offer to pressure that team into doing the trade before the Millsap offer sheet is signed (at which time the cap space is committed to Millsap). In that case the Blazers would also be slow to actually extend the offer.

Of course the simpler explanation is that they leaked the deal hoping to get a clue about whether Utah would match or not before making the offer and tying up the cap space for 7 days.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 9, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Or the leak came from Millsap's agent

Or Millsap’s agent told Utah, “If you don’t give us a good deal, we’ll sign an offer sheet with Portland,” and someone at the Jazz leaked it.

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by jscot on Jul 9, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry if I sound like a moron

but’ getting in on a Boozer trade’ are you saying we would be part of a 3 team trade or are you saying that we would want Boozer?

by twggyy on Jul 9, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

We'd be facilitating

The rumored deal is Boozer to Chicago, Hinrich here, and our capspace and Tyrus Thomas to Utah, which sounds too good to be true.

Blake or Outlaw would almost certainly be included.

by Twith on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

this rumor

was started as an idea by our very own Storyteller, here on this board.

I’m a bit skeptical still

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by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess a utah newspaper said they would match any offer to Sap and that

they were working on the 3 way trade with chicago that Twith just said above. At least thats what 955 the game is reporting.

by tevisthe4th on Jul 9, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

all the Utah Milsap

rumors I have heard is that they will sign him for a reasonable amount, but it sounds like 5/50mil is considered reasonable in Utah, but something in the 12mil range is not.

I guess we will soon see.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

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by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

KP is the Chris Paul of GMs.

Im really enjoying his assist/turnover ratio.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

All of this assumes

That Boozer has that kind of trade value, which I don’t think he does. Who wants him? He’s overpriced, he’s a dickhead, and he’s often injured.

by superfly05 on Jul 9, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

He's also

an expiring contract who can still play – so he can be cap relief and yet still help a team.

by Garfield on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just wanna see this on paper (LCD Screen)

IF we move Blake to Chicago, Outlaw to Utah, and get Hinrich in return. Then, IF we sign Bass to a nice deal. We would then have a lineup of….

Hinrich / Bayless
Roy / Rudy
Batum / Webster
Aldridge / Bass
Oden / Joel

umm WOW

That team has everything. I’d predict home court and a playoff series victory.

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by Kelsoballa on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

but

who loses out on PT? I guess rudy gets 10 minutes per game?

by kajuayn on Jul 9, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roy spends a lot of time

at SF with Rudy at the 2

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

then

where do Batum and Webster get PT?

by kajuayn on Jul 9, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

you could also

conceivably play Batum with a backcourt of of Rudy and Roy depending on the situation. Batum has earned a minutes boost, but until Webster shows he is recovered and effective I would pencil him in for spot minutes at this point.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 9, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

48 min. everyone plays 24!!

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by faith on Jul 9, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Mathmatician in me says yes, but the adult in me says no!

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Minutes

Not everyone will remain healthy, so there are two minute breakdowns to do here: Season Averages and when Everyone is Healthy.

For season averages we can add 16 minutes to the total minutes per game going off of how many minutes were lost due to injury last year (approx 1300).

Season Averages:
Hinrich 28 / Bayless 18 (-2)
Roy 38 / Rudy 28 (18)
Batum 22 / Webster 24 (-2)
Aldridge 38 / Bass 16 (6)
Oden 26 / Joel 18 (-4)

When healthy, all we can do is split up the 240 total minutes the way you think Nate would do it, which, by the way, completely depends on matchups and who’s hot on that given night. So while I think this estimation is pointless, here you go.

Healthy:
Hinrich 26 / Bayless 14 / Roy 8
Roy 22 / Rudy 22 / Webster 4
Batum 20 / Webster 16 / Roy 4
Aldridge 32 / Bass 16
Oden 26 / Joel 16 / Aldridge 6

Per Player:
Hinrich 26 / Bayless 14
Roy 34 / Rudy 22
Batum 20 / Webster 16
Aldridge 32 / Bass 16
Oden 26 / Joel 16

These are my best guesses influenced by what I would like to see. I don’t think there is anything wrong with those numbers.

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by Kelsoballa on Jul 9, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops - I didn't finish the per player part, but you can add right?

So basically I don’t see a minutes problem having these ten guys.

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by Kelsoballa on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say Rudy 24 and Roy 24....

I want Rudy to get more PT and Roy to be super fresh for the playoffs.

by Escrote on Jul 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to figure out how that might work.

What are the scenarios under which if we execute a trade that uses our cap space that we might retain some of our exceptions?

by grigs on Jul 9, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this saying if we got Millsap we get Bass too?

Pure overkill if that is the case.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not if Blake and Outlaw are gone in the trade

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by Kelsoballa on Jul 10, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very good post

Millsap gets to start in Utah and get good money, Boozer gets a change of scenery, and the Blazers pick up a good asset that they could probably utilize better than they could have Millsap. If all fails, Millsap is still there to sign to a toxic contract.

I know I'm wrong, yeeyah.

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

The last bullet point doesn't quite make sense to me.

Why does Millsap want to help the Blazers and Utah make a Boozer trade? If the trade is agreed to, Millsap likely gets stuck with a MLE-level contract from Utah afterwards. Millsap wants the Blazers to send him the offer sheet, not just threaten to.

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by pualo on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Millsap wants to help the Blazers because it forces the issue

Until the announcement that the Blazers were working on an offer, Millsap has been waiting for an offer of any kind from Utah. Utah has said that it was waiting to see what other teams would offer and then match it.

This means Millsap needs someone to make an offer to force Utah to act one way or the other. It needs someone to call Utah’s bluff.

Let’s assume for a moment that Millsap considers either playing with the Blazers or staying with Utah to be be reasonably good outcomes. That is what we know to be true based on the reports that he doesn’t mind playing behind Aldridge and his own words that he would like to play in Utah.

If that is true, then playing along allows him the possibility of being a starter in Utah with the assurance that if that doesn’t happen, he still gets a big contract and a good place to play at Portland.

Again, this is all conjecture. The main point of the post is that once the offer sheet is signed, most trades become pretty unlikely.

by grigs on Jul 9, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess if people are talking about him it's better than nothing.

But he doesn’t win unless he gets an actual offer sheet. If this turns into a trade before that point, he’ll just feel used. It seems like a better strategy for him would be to privately tell Portland he’ll sign, but keep quiet to Utah so as not to help Portland use him as leverage without an offer.

Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.

by pualo on Jul 9, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point above

Millsap needs an offer from Portland.

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by jscot on Jul 9, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

My ranking of priorities

The three possible outcomes of us signing an offer sheet are:

1) Our pressure on Utah works, and they trade Boozer to Chicago. We lose Blake and capspace and Chicago loses Hinrich and Tyrus. Millsap re-signs in Utah for big money as their starter.
2) Utah matches the offer, keeps Boozer, and takes the 3:00 train to Luxuryville.
3) Utah lets Millsap walk, and we get our expensive backup PF.

In my opinion, these are the preference rankings (highest to lowest) for each party.

Utah
1 – They stay under the cap, lock up Millsap for a long time as the starter, and lose a headache of a player.
2 – Yeah, they’re paying a ton, but they’re keeping their assets.
3 – Doomsday, especially when you take into account that I wouldn’t trust Boozer to stick around after his contract is up.

Portland
1 – Hooray subterfuge! We get our guy (maybe) at PG without breaking the bank.
3 – Oh well. We overpay for Millsap, but we have the best frontcourt in the NBA and a big-time tradeable asset down the road.
2 – Still not terrible for us. Utah is millions of dollars poorer, and just the same as last year (i.e., worse than Portland)

Millsap
1 – Millsap gets his payday, his starting spot, and stays in the same city
2 – Millsap gets his payday in the same city, but sits behind Boozer for another year
3 – Millsap gets his payday in a different city and sits behind Aldridge or gets traded soon.

If we are applying this pressure on Utah to make a trade like this, my money says it gets done.

In the very end, I doubt we end up with Millsap because it’s the least favorable scenario for the two parties with any say in the matter.

by Twith on Jul 9, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice breakdown.

It all looks solid, except for Millsap 2 and 3 could be reversed depending on his preferences. Maybe he’d like a change of scenery.

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by pualo on Jul 9, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he loves SLC

Maybe he hates SLC.

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by jscot on Jul 9, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

very nice grigs

good to see a well written proposal and analysis.. rec for you!

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

No offer yet

OK, I would say this now qualifies as “dragging out”. I’m convinced… and now expecting the 3 way trade.

by kennetha on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

me 2...I'm a sucker for a good post....

don’t take that the wrong way… lots of new faces. I’m a dude dude.

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by faith on Jul 9, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very nice post

I think Utah will be forced to trade and that will be the best option for Portland and Utah. It would be great for the Blazers to have 4 quality bigs come playoff time however so the option of getting Millsap is a great 2nd choice. Worst case Utah matches and is financially waisted. Utah has to trade or let him go! Great Job KP!

entering the window of opportunity!

by 77again on Jul 9, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

and another interesting take on it:

http://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA

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by douglast on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very interesting!

Hope it is subterfuge rather than truth.

by upper left corner on Jul 10, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it is a three way deal

a more likely target is Detroit (Prince). Another possibility would be NJ (Harris).

I don’t think KP is as hot after Hinrich as Bedge is. At all.

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by jscot on Jul 10, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never take much in what ESPN says.

They have breaking news when Brett Favre decides on breakfast. They are the drama queens of the sportscasting world.

With Fox Sports playing that fan who thinks he knows everything but is completely clueless, and nobody ever tells him so he just keeps going on loudly stringing together misguided opinions.

Yet I watch ESPN and listen to FSR. Maybe I am that fan, damn.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hinrich

I don’t know him as good as the rest of you. I checked out his stats and compared him with Blakes. Shooting percentages seem similar… But I think he’ll be a good fit. Hope the three team trade goes down.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Steve Blake's shooting was never the problem.

I’ve seen Hinrich do things Steve simply cannot. Like shoot off the dribble.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

trade delay timeline for signed free agents

Just FYI, if you didn’t read the link on when you can trade newly signed free agents, you can’t trade a signed free agent for 3 months or Dec 15th, whichever is later (so Dec 15th if we were do sign Milsap this summer).

This works fine for the purposes of trading him before the deadline next season. It would seem like he would be a favorable asset, assuming we don’t let him rot in value behind LA.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Jul 9, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

You make a compelling argument except for this

You write:

Going back to the assumptions, the offer is very attractive to Millsap. Why would he agree to rescind it? It is in his best interest to force either the Blazers or the Jazz to honor the terms of the offer.

The question I have is why wouldn’t he want to rescind it to restructure it with Utah since Utah can pay 10.5% increases and Portland can pay only 8% increases plus 6 years instead of 5. Remember Rashard Lewis signed with Orlando and Seattle offered a sign and trade which paid the increases and extra year? He gets the same money with bigger increases for an extra year. Utah gets the player and deals the expiring contract of Boozer and gets Outlaw. All around a win-win. Am I missing something?

by lee3022 on Jul 9, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you're right.

The sixth year could be a compelling reason for Millsap to rescind the offer and renegotiate. I’m not sure if Millsap can get a six year deal though. Roy and Aldridge cannot.

I read the Salary Cap FAQ on this stuff and just got confused. :-)

by grigs on Jul 9, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy should get a ten year deal.

Maybe I’m stretching that a bit, but I would not know what to do if I saw Roy in another uniform. Except All-Star and Team USA gear of course.

I would love to see Brandon someday join that revamped Dream Team. USA basketball and the stars of them have formed a bond that transcends the NBA. Roy would fit the mold of that team so well. Anyone being called “The Unselfish Superstar” would really fit that culture.

I would love to see him join that fraternity of top rate NBA athletes.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

what kind of signing bonus are we talking about?

this isn’t the NFL. There’s no cash on the side just for signing.

Are you perhaps talking about a front ended deal?

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by tandur on Jul 9, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Here are my thoughts on the Milsap signing...tell me what you think

The Jazz and the Blazers need to handle this delicately. It seems that the Blazers would really rather have Hinrich than Milsap and they are seeing a way to strong arm the Jazz into helping them get it done. The Jazz don’t want to part with Milsap and they are trying to see if Portland will call their bluff.

If Portland offers Milsap a “Toxic” contract the Jazz will be forced to keep Boozer and roll the dice on getting a PF after he leaves.

If Portland offers something more reasonable, the Jazz will match and try to trade Boozer (most likely getting nothing back, or cents on the dollar back in exchange). I am sure the Pistons would be willing to offer Rip Hamilton and his ugly contract for Boozer, and depending on the deal offered to Milsap, could put the Jazz over the tax threshold still, but they would have a solid line up all signed for some time…

I am sure there are conversation going on behind the scenes to the tune of:
Portland, “you help us facilitate a trade for Hinrich and we will not offer Milsap anything.”
Jazz, “How does that help us? Why don’t you offer Milsap what you’re willing to pay, and we’ll see if we want to match.”
Portland, “What we’re willing to pay?….you know our owner is Paul Allen right? We can make this really difficult for you? Why don’t we try and work something out?”
Jazz, “Tell you what, let’s call Chicago and see what available.”

Portland doesn’t have a lot of chips on the table right now, cause if the Jazz blink and match whatever Portland offers, they will have to trade Boozer and it will somewhat weaken a conference rival in terms of players and financially. Also, if Portland is hell bent on adding a decent PF, they will still have more money than anyone to go after Bass.

Portland really needs to be strong (in terms of trying to get the Jazz to work with them) but also cordial so as to not piss them off so they will work with them and Chicago to try and get us a player a lot of Portland really covets.

Finally, reading Blog a Bull this evening and I get the impression that while they would really hate to see Kirk leave, they are really high on “renting” Boozer for a year and then having a lot of cap space in 2010 to go after Wade. I think it is in everyone’s best interest to try and get a 3 way going…I just hope personalities don’t get in the way of making a rather tumultuous offseason turn out absolutely fabulous for Portland.

by Matt Daddy on Jul 9, 2009 9:27 PM PDT reply actions  

You are assuming the target is Hinrich

It might be Prince.

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by jscot on Jul 9, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya know what would be sad?

is if Wade lived up to his “This is my house!” and “I love Miami” statements, chose to stay in Miami, and Boozer leaves Chicago after next season for…. Miami.

In the end, it’ll be funny how it all works out next season. I wonder if someone is going to pull an Orlando or not. I hope not. I love it when multiple teams get almost complete makeovers (this offseason isn’t too bad itself).

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by tandur on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it.

Hard er than hard rec. all comments were great… I enjoyed it alot!!! thanks gang…ALL OF YA.
:)

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by faith on Jul 9, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Im sorry if there's about 3 million of this on the random threads

but I think this trade might work:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nj46r2

It gives Portland at least an answer to the backup PF and the PG position, Thomas also shoots 45% from the 3 :).

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 10, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Ahh, here's another trade that would really help the Blazers as well

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m64jq4

Im pretty sure that the Jazz probably wouldn’t want to do this deal, and maybe NJ as well, but it gives Utah some expiring contracts for the next season, and some financial room to sing Millsap.

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 10, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL. From the outside, it would appear that I almost nailed this.

So here’s the thing, I wrote this post with no idea at all about whether or not the Blazers might want to explore trade options. I basically just wanted to clarify that if an offer was extended and signed, that it would be difficult for the Blazers to trade after that point. I wanted to clarify that because I saw a lot of posts that seemed to get that wrong.

When I was writing the post, I took some creative license and speculated that if I were Portland, I would take a couple of days to send the offer to Millsap. Explore trade options and then send the offer on Friday afternoon if nothing had happened.

I’m really quite stunned that it appears to have worked out that way. This must be my once a decade chance to guess correctly what KP was going to do.

by grigs on Jul 10, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

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