Can we grab Sessions and Kurt Thomas

From this article it sounds like Ersan Iyasova maybe coming back to the bucks. If that happens we could drop a deal on them to do a sign and trade of Sessions and possibly take Thomas off their hands at the same time.

Probably not ideal for them or us, but it gets a cheaper younger version of A Miller and could net us a bit of experience in the front court.

Also, people should be reading Brew Hoops as it has really good main page content.

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Thomas could be acquired for a straight trade with Outlaw

And for Sessions KP could offer him the 7.7mil capspace + escalators for 5 years and MIlwaukee would probably have to negotiate a sign and trade or cry “uncle”

If that’s what KP wants to do, it would be about as simple as any scenario out there

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by two4larue on Jul 8, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it can happen the way you suggest

I believe that if a RFA is signed to an offer sheet and then the offer is matched by his existing club, the player can not be traded to the team he signed the offer sheet with for 1 year.

Kind of a silly rule and I wasn’t familiar with it myself until earlier this week, but I read that that is the case. Correct me if I’m wrong. Makes it even harder to swing S&T deals with RFAs. The Bucks would have to believe we were about to sign him and then negotiate a trade with us, then they sign him and trade him to avoid losing him without compensation.

by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, reading your post again... maybe that is what you meant.

by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One other thing about Kurt Thomas

Because he was acquired in the Spurs trade around draft night, KT cannot be re-dealt for 60 days (late August) So any S&T with Sessions could not include Thomas (or Bowen) until that time

But like I said above, KP could deal Outlaw for Thomas straight up at any time after the 60 days, if that’s what he wanted to do to fill the backup PF slot. But from the looks of things, KP is looking for a different solution and is not pursuing older veteran PFs (McDyess’ agent said Portland’s agent hasn’t contracted him, etc)

I think the Blazers see Bayless as becoming an equivalent talent to Sessions, so I’m not sure they’re going to sink a LTC into Ramon when they’ve already got Jerryd in the “pipeline” I suppose they could use Bayless in the sign and trade with the Bucks, if they saw RS as being a significant upgrade in the future (Clearly RS is more ready “now” to lead a ballclub at PG)

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by two4larue on Jul 8, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sessions and

Bayless are night and day in terms of skill sets

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 8, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

equivalent =/= equal in all aspects or every detail

Who wrote this?

Bayless…could well turn out to be everything the Blazers need in a point guard and more. He can defend. He can drive. He’s physically imposing. Whatever natural point guard instinct he lacks (if any) could be made up for by his backcourt partner. If he develops an outside shot he’ll be downright frightening.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/7/8/941649/crystal-ball-the-most-pivotal

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by two4larue on Jul 8, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont see why you

would do a Outlaw for Thomas trade without trying to include someone like Sessions in the deal. Thomas doesent have a lot in the tank, but I think they would be more amenable to letting go of Sessions if we took back a contract (maybe Gadzuric?) like Thomas, who is pretty expendable if Ilyasova comes over.

Also, they (Brew Hoop) previously mentioned that other teams would only be able to offer 5/32.4mil, but if they do sign Ilyasova then I think that really opens up the floodgates on Sessions as they will probably not want to pay luxury tax on a borderline playoff team and could only offer him 4mil to start at.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 8, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've been on the target Sessions bandwagon for a while...

and have thought that they might want Outlaw in a S&T. I could see a Sessions and Thomas deal with Outlaw going out. If the Bucks believe we are going to make an offer that they would be unwilling to match then they might prefer this to losing him without compensation.

That said, the more time passes with us not rumored to be talking to the agents of the available PGs, the more I think we are going to land Hinrich or Harris (probably Hinrich, hoping Harris) in a lopsided trade. If it turns out to be Hinrich, I’m going to be interested to watch Sessions develop. I think the Hinrich trade is the better course at least in part because Milwaukie can match a Sessions offer, but I’m not sure we won’t look back in a few years and regret not making a run at Sessions.

by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 12:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

While I would personally settle for Hinrich/Bayless, Sessions is an intriguing option. I love his playing style, but his absolute lack of a three point threat would clog up our offense a little bit.

draft the stache

by Cablinasian on Jul 8, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Or it would free up all the other jump shooters on our roster

Or it could be exactly like you say, Cablinasian. At this point I can’t discuss Ramon Sessions without getting my heart into it.

Kind of like you and Kirk Hinrich.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I love Sessions’ game.

The problem is that if Roy tried to do his isolation stuff, Ramon’s defender would immediately leave him on the perimeter and double Brandon.

draft the stache

by Cablinasian on Jul 8, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and then Roy gives the ball back and Sessions takes it right to the rim

The thought of 2 guys that attack the rim is so appealling. We have plenty of guys that love to shoot jumpers. Even our PF sometimes falls in love with perimeter shots. A PG, SG and PF (you were getting better last season LA) who take it strong to the rim and create for their teammates would be awesome!

by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I def know your on board with Sessions, 52therim

I even saw you when I went lurking on BrewHoop. I think you, Norkstroll, and I all have a case of “Sessions Fever”.

I can see the rim rattle from the alley-oop Sessions-to-Oden dunks when I dream of the two of them pick-and-rolling together.

With a Sessions/Roy backcourt, the Blazers would be among the league leaders in free throw attempts. Never a bad thing in Nate’s slow down game.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Makes too much sense to not happen, doesn't it?

I can see KP deciding he likes the experience that comes with a Kirk Hinrich. I won’t be disappointed if that is how it turns out. But if we don’t get Hinrich and we use our cap space on a David Lee or some other SF, it’s gonna leave me scratching my head to figure it out.

People want to complain that we are too perimeter oriented. Then they want to ignore Sessions because he doesn’t shoot the “3”. It isn’t really that he shoots it poorly… he just doesn’t shoot it. He only has 2 negatives in my mind. First he is restricted and I don’t know what to expect from Milwaukie, but they drafted Jennings. They won’t match a deal that slightly overpays. We were gonna overpay Hedo by $20M, why not overpay Sessions by $8M if thats what it takes. Second, it would obviously be nice if he had just a little more experience, but considering the options. It should be Harris, Hinrich or Sessions running our offense next year.

by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just because it makes sense...

Makes too much sense to not happen, doesn’t it?

I would have agreed with you 10 days ago, but that was before the Hedo fiasco, a move that made absolutely no effin’ sense to me at all. Honestly, I can’t get a bead on this Blazers off-season at all and I’m beginning to think they don’t have much of a plan.

I know a giant red and black lightning bolt will strike me down for thinking this, but I’m starting to believe that if the Blazers have a successful 2009 off-season, it will be purely by accident.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know and respect your opinion, Cablinasian

It was difficult to watch game 1 of the Houston series, when all the Rockets did was pack the paint and disallow Roy or Aldridge to use their isos to get anything going at the rim.

I would like to see a pick-and-roll player in those situations and I think that Sessions is the best young option available. I would like to see the Blazers run more pick-and-roll and less isos in general.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that we already run a lot of p and r. Our only pure isolation player is Travis.

I would love for a good p and r point guard. It would be great. I also love Sessions’ game. He just needs to prove that he can hit at least 32% or so from three to keep the floor spaced.

draft the stache

by Cablinasian on Jul 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t see us run much pick and roll last year. We ran a LOT of pick and pop, and we also ran a lot of just pick (the play where LMA/Greg/Joel sets a pick about 2 feet above the 3 point line so Roy can just try to drive the lane.

I saw very liittle actual ROLLING off the picks. And when I did see it, I almost never saw the guard actually getting the ball to the roller on the way to the hoop. That is exactly what we need to do to Oden. Giving him the ball on a set play back to the basket postup is NOT taking advantage of his talents. The few times we actually got him the ball when he was already moving toward the basket, he was very successful at converting this into points or fouls. For copious examples of this type of play, reference Dwight Howard.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 8, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly!

Steve Blake can’t run the p’n’r because he isn’t a threat to get into the paint. Same for Rudy, though he’s by far the best Blazer at entry passes into the post. Travis, Batum, and Webster don’t have the handle to run it. Bayless (so far) has tunnel vision when driving the hoop.

The majority of time I saw the Blazers running the pick-and-roll, it was Sergio Rodriguez at the helm and now he’s gone.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In his last college season he hit 38%

In his first NBA season 43%, but on a very low number of attempts.

His shot is not downright bad, he just doesn’t use it a lot since he knows he has better weapons from midrange and especially when setting up other players to score and going to the rim himself. Bayless is more athletic drawing fouls around the rim and dunking it, but Sessions draws just as many fouls with his crafty style.

I would absolutely love to have both. The chances that neither becomes at least a serviceable starter is slim to none.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be very happy to end up with both of them

I love Sessions and Kurt would be a very good choice for muscle and experiance at the backup PF.

I have been wondering why we don’t talk about Sessions more. Are we so sure that Bayless is our man that we don’t want to take a chance on Sessions?

C*mcast sucks!

by Blazermaniac77 on Jul 8, 2009 1:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm afraid that KP is worried that Sessions would stifle Bayless

I don’t see what is wrong with making Bayless earn his minutes. If Blake is the starter and Bayless isn’t as good…he’ll ride the pine. Same if the starter is Hinrich or Sessions. So Sessions and Bayless are both young… who cares! If Bayless develops PG skills he’ll earn his shot in this league. If he is an undersized “2” he’ll likely flame out pretty quick.

by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the price is right on Sessions

he might be a nice backup if Bayless pans out as he would definitely give another look to the offense. He might also be able to play with Bayless at the 2 for stretches as well.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 8, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice sig

Can I dub you “Chief Jonestr” of the Blaze Perce tribe?

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess

I might get beat up by the real native americans here in NM, so it will have to be kept on the down low.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 8, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, better keep it on the down low

I don’t want to get beat up by any professional comedians for making a stupid joke.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

Carrot Top is surprisingly jacked and sufficiently crazy enough to kill

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jul 8, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope he's not an Indian

Because you’ll be screwed, as well.

by BlazerTag on Jul 8, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sessions makes a lot of sense.

He’s still young (23 years) and has time to develop a jumpshot such as Tony Parker, Travis Outlaw, Devin Harris and Jason Kidd did. He’s got good size and athleticism which allows him to get to the hoop and finish. And unlike Bayless he’s got well developed court vision.

by JasonT on Jul 8, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs