New Salary Cap Numbers; Portland's Cap Situation
by Ben. on Jul 7, 2009 7:56 PM PDT
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Real GM has a press release from the NBA with the updated NBA Salary Cap figures.
The National Basketball Association today announced that the Salary Cap for the 2009-10 season will be $57.7 million. The tax level for the 2009-10 season has been set at $69.92 million.
Although league-wide revenue increased 2.5% this past season, the decrease in the Salary Cap and tax level for the 2009-10 season is the result of the formula used to set the Cap and tax under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement.
Thanks to Storyteller's Contracts Spreadsheet, here is the current salary book for the 2009-2010 Portland Trail Blazers.
(Darius Miles) $9,000,000
Joel Przybilla $6,857,725
LaMarcus Aldridge $5,844,827
Greg Oden $5,361,240
Martell Webster $4,319,654
Steve Blake $4,000,000
Brandon Roy $3,910,816
Travis Outlaw $3,600,000
Jerryd Bayless $2,143,080
Rudy Fernandez $1,165,320
Nicolas Batum $1,118,760
(Victor Claver) [#22 in 2009] $1,012,900
(Petteri Koponen) [#30 in 2007] $824,200
(Joel Freeland) [#30 in 2006] $824,200
- Salary Cap $57,700,000
- Total Salary/Cap Holds Committed $49,982,722
- Current Free Space Under Cap $7,717,278
Note: The numbers listed above do not take into account any of Portland's 3 secound round picks in this year's draft: Jeff Pendergraph, Dante Cunningham and Patty Mills.
Of course, tonight at Midnight Eastern marks the end of the moratorium and the beginning of the free agency signing period.
Update: According to Awoj at Yahoo! Sports the Blazers had to pay $5.8 million in luxury tax for the 2008-2009 season.
Update: A late note from Storyteller and douglast...
Renouncing Freeland and Koponen would make the total salary committed $48,334,322 but would create an additional cap hold of $457,588 (for only having 11 players count against the cap) which would bring the total to $48,791,910.
That means $8,908,090 in cap room if Koponen and Freeland are renounced.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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HIghest paid
Funny isn’t it….that the highest paid Blazer is Darius Miles?
by ucatchtrout on Jul 7, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Memphis
even more now….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Darius Miles debacle falls on the shoulders of only one man, with that being Paul Allen.
by AK1984 on Jul 7, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Darius Miles?
If he wasn’t a butthole, he could have still been on the roster or traded away legitimately.
by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like signing Turk would have required a S&T or renouncing the Euros to get to 5/50
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no could've done a contract that increased each year
and started at $9million after renouncing Freeland and Koponen.
by JasonT on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freeland and Kopenen are the Euros
We would need to renounce their rights to get to 5/50.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could have gotten there by renouncing Koponen only.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Renouncing one gives us cap room for a 5/50. Renouncing two gives us cap room for a 5/55. Renouncing none gives us cap room for a 5/45.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, why does anyone care?
We didn’t sign Turkgolu. So what does it matter if doing so may (or may not) have involved renouncing a guy?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is the wrong thread for you, then
You see, in this thread we’re talking about the available cap space for FA acquisitions, lopsided trades and the future of the team. If that’s not interesting for you, you might be interested in the thread about GO’s girlfriend or the one about trying to trade for LBJ.
by ninjasocks on Jul 8, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't have to start at 10/per to get to 5/50.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't Steve Franchise
our highest paid at one point also?
by pdxlifer on Jul 7, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read somewhere that he was the 22nd highest paid player in professional sports.
Don’t remember if it was TrueHopp or Ball Don’t Lie…
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec for legwork.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fingerwork or mousework would be more appropriate.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year
Blazers 3 highest paid players played a combined zero games as a Blazers. Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz, and Darius Miles were our 3 highest paid players in 08-09
by axel360 on Jul 7, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it won us 54 games!
Do you think we can re-sign them for next season too?
:p
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The maximum yearly raise is 8%
We would definitely need to start above 7.7 (maybe around 8.5) to get to 5/50.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you can find an SI via TrueHoop archive
but you can’t do a little math?
If you start with 7.7, you get to $45M in 5 years
If you start with 8.5, you get to $50M+ in 5 years.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 7, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did that math downthread about 5 minutes later
Took a second to open up my OpenOffice.
by ninjasocks on Jul 8, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luxury Tax Victims
Hornets
Lakers
Wizards
Celtics
Jazz
Spurs
Mavericks
Knicks
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wizards?
u think they would trade caron butler?
by axel360 on Jul 7, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be the only guy they wouldn't trade
Apparently, they were getting a lot of offers for him earlier and but want to keep him.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would probally trade Mike Miller
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who wouldn't?
Oh, yeah, AK wouldn’t.
But he’s dating Miller’s mother, so that doesn’t really count.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington would try to move Jamison long before Butler
And I suspect their budget cleaning is done with the trade of pretty much all their crappy contracts and the “Rubio pick” to the Wolves for Foye and Miller (both expiring).
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 8, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, jlarose
It would seem to make the most likely ‘targets’ in a lopsided trade one of those teams, especially NOH, WAS and UTA. They’re the ones looking for salary relief this week.
by Storyteller on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we should be targeting Washington then
don’t think Utah or NOH has anyone we would want (that is gettable of course)
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe one of those teams will do a five-for-one deal.
Something to hope for. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 8, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
Danny Ainge and the boys in Memphis are not our friends.
by upper left corner on Jul 7, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows
had Darius been on the books we may have offered more to Tukeyglue. I’ll say the sting now takes away a good bit of hurt later.
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by einman77 on Jul 7, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, Paul Allen is to blame for doltishly pushing Steve Patterson and John Nash to re-sign a ...
flaky knucklehead such as Darius Miles to a six-year, $48 million contract during the summer of 2004.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1872681
“‘Paul Allen saw something that a lot of GMs and a lot owners didn’t see in me,’ Miles said.”
Nowadays, Allen should have the intellectual wherewithal to excuse himself from interfering with the basketball operations; otherwise, he’s obviously not sharp enough to have learned from past errors.
by AK1984 on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now it just cost him another 8.5 million
the 5.8 in tax payment he just got hit with, plus the ~2.5 million in tax receipts he would have gotten for being below the line.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly off-topic, but
Paul Allen is a bad businessman and constantly sinks money into risky schemes. Of course, he has a lot of money with which to play, but I don’t think he’s learned his lesson.
Rich people are always the ones suckered into the get-rich-quick-scheme (cf. Madoff’s victims).
by torsoheap on Jul 8, 2009 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that we know how much money is in the checking account, it is not time to rush out and spend....
……As others have commented, now is time to work the phones and consider all the options. Lopsided trades are more likely to yield a good fit and a significant upgrade than grasping impulsively for FA leftovers.
Having missed on the guy they thought was the best FA fit, the team can afford to be deliberate and wait for unsigned players and teams with economic problems to get a bit nervous. Many of our competitors are now committed. Work the phones and wait for the right opportunity…..
by upper left corner on Jul 7, 2009 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For this to be the case you have to have teams that NEED to reduce payroll
so far it hasn’t seemed like a lot of teams are really all that concerned with theirs.
I’d like to carry the money into the season, but it’s risky, and you have to be sure that there are going to be a number of teams that are going to want that savings.
by as11osu on Jul 7, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is NEED, and there is WANT.
Some owners are looking at some big tax payments, others are looking at potential big losses if ad and ticket revenue decline because of the recession; those are the teams that NEED to trim payroll.
As we approach the trade deadline, there will be a third group that will be looking to position themselves for next summer’s FA derby; those are the WANTers. During the summer, most teams have brave plans to “challenge for the playoffs,” once the injuries and the loosing start, paying big money for players who aren’t winning becomes a whole lot less fun and teams start considering their options.
I agree that the closer we get to the trading deadline the less leverage KP has because teams will know that we need to make a deal. I also recognize that all things being equal, it would be better to bring in any new players before fall camp. OTOH, I do think that the economic pressure on owners and FAs both is very real. To some extent it is like a game of musical chairs. I hope the team has done a little research into the financial situation of the various owners.
I just hoping that the team doesn’t do SOMETHING in order to avoid doing nothing. KP showed restraint with RLEC. He showed patience in the draft. I hope he considers all his options before he pulls the trigger.
by upper left corner on Jul 8, 2009 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's funny
If we renounce the rights to Pettri and Freeland we have the exact amount of room of cap space to sign Prince out right. Ruffin for Prince let’s pull off a Pau for Kwame here KP!!
by Backfrom89 on Jul 7, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PRINCE!!!! I could get behind that
by mathrockerpdx on Jul 7, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trout and a 1st rounder for Prince
They can then resign McDyess
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just an after thought...
When the Blazers Brass sent out that threatening letter to all NBA teams regarding playing Darius just to effect our available cap space. They threatened law suits didn’t they? Does anyone know if there is one in the works since pretty much everyone knows that is exactly what Memphis did, “hit it and quit it”? I hadn’t heard anything, I’m sure if there is one, it is pretty quiet, but does anyone know anything?
by Shnarfcider on Jul 7, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta be some kinda arbitration
going on
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lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 7, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Memphis did
was a low, dirty blow. But they didn’t break any rules that I know of. And the player’s union would fight hard against the Blazers.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Oregonian in Texas
Where are you in Texas NoiseMekanik? I’m in Katy.
by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 7, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in san antonio
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis signed Darius for the remainder of the season, and he played more than 10 games.
I doubt anything happened between the teams after Memphis signed him. Even if Memphis did do this for questionable reasons, they played him enough that I doubt it would matter.
by Timmay! on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
Memphis kept him the whole year. Had it been a sign and drop after the 20 games (10 playing) then there could have been something. But there is nothing to suggest that Memphis did it intentionally. They are probably trying, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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by einman77 on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renouncing the Finn would be fine
He has about as much of a chance at becoming a decent NBA point guard as I do.
Renouncing Freeland would be crazy, though. I can’t see that happening. He’s panning out as well as anyone could’ve hoped – why would you draft him if you’re going to renounce him after he was top 10 in the ACB in PER?
Did he recently sign a longterm agreement in the Euroleague or something? I’m curious why anyone would consider renouncing him to be a legit possibility, much less an assumption in a cap calculation.
If not, I think the odds he’s wearing a Blazer uniform next year are better than the odds he gets renounced.
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by KP Corleone on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't renounce him, but you could probably trade him for a little something
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 7, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure with Koponen
Koponen looked great in summer league, and that after never playing in a high level league. If he was currently playing in the WCC, al la Steve Nash, he’d be tearing it up and having people drool over him. PG’s often take until their late 20’s to reach their full effectiveness. He’s got some serious tools, so I think there is a pretty good percentage he make it to the NBA, and does well.
Freeland? One of the Blazer coaches described his potential as “Shavlik-like”. That isn’t exactly someone you hold onto if there is a chance to nab a top flight PG now.
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by hoopla-pdx on Jul 8, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about resigning Roy and Aldridge
Can someone tell me if this is correct, please?
Even if/when we sign Roy & Aldridge to extensions – those new dollars are for the seasons starting in the summer of 2010 and beyond, right?
So they don’t count against our salary cap for 2009-2010, yes?
So, unless we do something else this summer, we maintain “under the salary cap” status through the trading deadline in Q1 2010, yes?
by Memphremagog on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shameless self promotion.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Canzano?
Is that you with the shameless self promotion?
by GMan83201 on Jul 7, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's worse than that.
I’m a moderator. Us kind hang out in Mos Eisley bars.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks - I missed the earlier post, it seems
This puts the “lack of action” now in perspective.
If we can hold those cards until after draft day 2010, a LOT an still happen.
Plan B may be to wait. Sometimes things come to those who…..
KP still has cards, and time on his side.
by Memphremagog on Jul 7, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
time on his side.
This morning I mentioned that the closer KP gets to the trading deadline, the less leverage he will have, due to his rival GMs knowing that he has to make a lopsided deal or risk losing his cap-space. (Then Jaynes made the same point on the air with CIP this afternoon)
KP might find a “more desperate” GM out there during the season who wants to move a contract in the worst way, but we also know that Portland’s GM prefers to assemble his roster before training camp, rather than disrupt the team by making a move during the season
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Is Martell’s potential worth the cost?
by BayAreaBlazer on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, as long as he comes back from his foot injury
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
for now we can afford to wait and see…i dont think we’d get much value in trade for him to be worth dealing him right now.
you have to hang on and see what happens.
i won’t blame the blazers OR martell if he ends up not being able to play and we have to pay him.
by pdxlifer on Jul 7, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly.
Whether it is or not, with his foot injury we’re stuck with him. We can’t trade him, no one wants damaged goods. If we cut him, the contract stays on our books. He’s ours whether we like it or not. I’m going to be optimistic and say I like his potential.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our mistake
One BIG mistake we made with Martell, was signing him to the extension WHILE he was injured. We should have waited until we’d seen him recover.
by ucatchtrout on Jul 7, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it isn't that expensive of a mistake.
Like others we’ve had recently.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher was interviewed by Wheels and Vance this afternoon
and said the Blazers might be involved in a 3-way with Chicago and Utah. Boozer to the Bulls and Hinrich going to Portland. Not sure who would be heading to Salt Lake (I can’t imagine Jerry Sloan wanting any part of Travis Outlaw!) Portland would use some of their cap-space to help make the deal work
Bucher also said that NJ would let go of Devin Harris “for the right price” but that Portland fans should “be careful what you wish for” because Harris was able to play loose and easy with the Nets this year and accumulate stats on a bad team, but he would likely return to his former (read: Dallas) level of play if he was to play for a contender, like Portland.
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
id like that but i wudnt wana give them blakey
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what, to back up d.will?
it sounds good to me!
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean the hinrich one.
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 7, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait what?
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 7, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry.
thinking more than writing. expecting others to fill in gaps. my bad! had the same problem in creative nonfiction.
ANYWAY
i’d give up blake (to utah, where he wouldn’t have a chance to hurt us) for hinrich.
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 7, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most logical is something along the lines of
Hinrich to Portland
Boozer to Chicago
Tyrus Thomas to Utah.
With Portland eating Utah’s contract share.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contracts, per storyteller's site
Boozer 12,323,900
Thomas 4,743,598
Hinrich 9,500,000
[combined 14,243598]
Chicago and Utah could practically do that deal by themselves. I’d think at least one Blazer player would have to be involved. Maybe Outlaw to Chi-town if Thomas was heading to the Jazz?
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by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Utah needs cap relief, that trade adds salary
Utah is a small market team with (currently) one of the biggest payrolls in the league. They’ve got to shed salary quickly.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they'll want to sign Millsap
if they’re trading Boozer away. The Jazz can’t afford Okur, Boozer and Millsap
So, Portland actually could trade “just” 7.7mil to faciliate the deal, and get Hinrich without surrendering a player?
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by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Utah will give up Boozer for nothing
I’m also not sure how the salary cap rules would affect the trade, but they might go for cap relief and future picks.
And, yes, Milsap is their PF of the future. There is no way they don’t sign him.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if they could sign Millsap
and stay out of the luxury tax, they might consider Boozer an “acceptable loss”
Layden & co. probably weren’t counting on him being back next season, anyway. And were surprised when he chose not to opt out
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by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know a lot of Jazz fans that are tired of seeing Boozer in a suit on game nights...
they trade CB to affordably keep Millsap in a heartbeat.
by 52therim on Jul 7, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes more sense if Chicago and Utah just traded with each other
Tyrus and Jerome James or Tim Thomas for Boozer.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Utah wants to pay that much Luxury tax, I guess.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes more sense
If Boozer goes to Chicago, Hinrich goes to Portland, and 2 first round picks go to Utah
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe the draft rights to Koponen?
I wonder if KP still has a 2nd deal for Outlaw in his pocket, perhaps for a backup PF? The Rockets’ Hayes and Landry come to mind. So does Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope so
the rockets make sense as a trade partner. they have 87 power forwards, but about 0 scorers. perfect match it would seem
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is giving up picks?
Utah wants to dump CB’s salary to keep Millsap. Cleveland didn’t give up picks to get Shaq when Phoenix dumped his salary. Same for R Jeff. It will be the same for Utah. They get cap relief and are happy to get rid of a guy who spent too much time on the bench in a suit.
by 52therim on Jul 7, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before resigning Milsap the Jazz are over the Cap by 4 Mil
They may want back as little as possible although if we took Hinrich one of our PG’s has to go
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm ...
15+ pts, 6 ast, 2.5 to, 1.5 st, 5 ft per game from our lightning quick 26-year-old PG. Thanks Buch, but I’ll wish for it.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ric said that if you're willing to accept Harris' production when he was with the Mavericks
then that’s what you’ll probably get with Devin playing in Portland, not those inflated NJ stats
DH is still worth pursuing and dealing Rudy for, just don’t expect him to be a WC all-star PG
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by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stats I listed were his Dallas stats.
That’s why I listed them.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention he put those up as a 4th year PG. Love to see what he could do with our team.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only drawback is that he doesn't have a 3pt shot
Might lead to some spacing issues. Not a deal-breaker, by any stretch, though.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
But he’s shown flashes of being mediocre to adequate, which is probably enough. His real skill lies in his ability to score on the break and break down a defense off the dribble. Not to mention being a good defended. These things make up for lack of 3pt shot in my mind.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 7, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his lack of a 3 point shot can be made up by
1) our other 3 point shooters
2) his ability to get into the lane and create inside opportunities for himself and others
3) pushing the break
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"our other 3 point shooters" could be part of the trade
In a hypothetical Harris deal, I assume Rudy is gone, and maybe Outlaw/Blake too
So, where are all of those 3 point shooters … in New Jersey?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a deal for Harris
Batum is traded and Rudy stays. They already have 2 SG’s in Lee and Williams.
by as11osu on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?!?!
Bucher’s stealing my idea from yesterday!
by Storyteller on Jul 7, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear some of these guys read BE material
then take credit for the “original idea”
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know it happens...
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"but 'be careful what you wish for' because Harris ... would likely return to his former (read: Dallas) level of play ..."
I never followed him that much at Dallas. two4larue, what would your opinion of him be if that were true? (Not that I see any way to get him now.)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Harris in 2007
when I heard the rumors about a trade involving Outlaw, Frye and Jack for Harris
And he’s only gotten better since then
But I thought I’d share Bucher’s opinion of DH, since I didn’t see the comments from his interview mentioned in any other posts
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 8, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest if we did have Darius Miles off the books we would have way overpaid for Turk
If we have 16 mil, we would have spent a lot on Hedo.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
by sug on Jul 7, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
w/ Darius off the books
the Blazers may have been more likely to offer bigger money to RFAs that the controlling teams wouldn’t have been able to match:
Sessions
M.Williams
Lee
by pdxlifer on Jul 7, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can still do that for most if not all the guys you listed.
Atlanta might match a deal for $10M/year for M Williams. I’d be shocked if the Knicks match a $10M/yr deal for Lee. Zero chance of Milwaukie matching a $10M/yr deal for Sessions. None of this means that these players are worth this much or that the Blazers would be willing to offer this much. The point is that Miles’ deal being on the books for 2009/10 won’t stop us from signing these guys (other than possibly Williams). If we don’t sign them it’s because we choose to not target them or are unwilling to wait the 10 days to find out if their teams match an offer sheet.
by 52therim on Jul 8, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't offer 10 mil/year for anyone
If Freeland and Koponen are renounced, the highest offer KP can make would start at 8.9 mil
That’s “borderline” for getting either Lee or Odom without their teams matching
I’m not sure about M WIlliams
MIlwaukee probably wouldn’t match Sessions offer if it started at 7mil
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 8, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the idea that people are talking past one another.
When some say’s “offer $10 million a year” that could mean a deal starting at $10 million, but more likely it means averaging $10 million a year (or close to it).
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freeland and PK
have to be sweating bullets now, thinking they may be renounced if the Blazers find the right FA or trade partner….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or relieved.
They would no longer be subject to their Rookie Contracts if they entered the NBA, and it would be with a team of their choosing.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be the best thing for them
" Freeland and PK
have to be sweating bullets now, thinking they may be renounced if the Blazers find the right FA or trade partner…."
why would they be sweating the opportunity to be free agents in the nba. that makes no sense.
by colinmarsh on Jul 7, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any midnight deals tonight?
Or should i wait until the morning?
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Travis signed for $4 mill a year recently? Or was that a “round up” by the media?
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
storyteller’s notes: Signed 7/17/07 for an assumed $11,600,000 for 3 years
by Ben. on Jul 7, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But I remember hearing it was $4 mill a year…
Storyteller is much better at this than I can comprehend, so I will trust his numbers!!!
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trav’s contract was front-loaded as far as i know so at 3/11.6 his first two years salaries would be 4 million
by Ben. on Jul 7, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
was just thinking that…. it makes sense
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why we rely on ST...
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Yahoo! Sports...
We are in the luxury tax. I’ve heard that we have had 10 million or so dollars free…but, if we’re in the Luxury tax, how is that possible? (5.8 Million, according to Y!)
by Jeremiah S on Jul 7, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that was for 2008-2009, the year just ending.
by Ben. on Jul 7, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't pay for the previous season till the end of the season
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What am I missing?
I keep hearing how we can renounce Freeland and Koponen to gain salary cap space, why in the heck would we do that when we can trade their rights and get the same result?
"I'm a buffet of goodness."
by TP43 on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to clear
room to sign a big FA/UFA
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading them
gives you the same exact amount of salary cap space to go after free agents, doesn’t it?
"I'm a buffet of goodness."
by TP43 on Jul 7, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends
My head is swimming, that’s why I’m not an NBA GM… hahaha :-)
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm right there with you
that’s why I feel like I must be missing something.
"I'm a buffet of goodness."
by TP43 on Jul 7, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
assuming you trade them for future picks, then yes
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if you trade them
for anything.. cause it’s a trade. and you get things back in return for a trade.
in sum:
if you want to acquire a free agent with cap space, renounce players. get space.
if you want to work via trade, then you can renounce or trade them, it’s moot.
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 7, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I firmly believe the Grizzlies signed Miles to force the Blazers into the luxury tax.
One more payer and one less shareholder. It wasn’t about competing cap space. As you can tell from the Grizzlies Randolph trade.
Read this.
http://www.3sob.com/archives/40-july-2009/547-randolph-reaction-con
The same holds true for 2010-2011 where Heisley is actually absorbing all $17.3 million of Randolph’s salary. The current cumulative salaries of the Grizz players (all but Jaric and Randolph are on rookie or small contracts) require that somebody get paid big dollars in 2010-2011 in order to be in compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
So Heisley isn’t spending big money. He is spending the minimum money he is required to spend and rather than pursue a Free Agent for a 4 or 5 year deal, he traded for a 2-year red herring under the guise of getting a 20&10 guy – but really just fulfilling his minimum economic requirements with only short term exposure and no regard for the impact on the basketball court (or the impact on the fanbase).
And that is the dirty little secret of the NBA that Heisley figured out this year. If you keep your salaries between the NBA minimum and $50 million (and the Grizz will not go over $50 million this year or next), keep your front office expense low and do a good job of renting out your CapSpace and available roster spots to Capped Out and Taxed Out teams, then you can be profitable on annual basis even in a small market and even without fans and even with only making a pretense of caring about winning. And that is a safer economic approach than investing in long term talent and hoping to increase revenues by generating wins and ticket sales.
Quite eye opening and plausible considering the owner’s track record.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 7, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
not to mention
that by forcing us from under the tax to over the tax, they netted themselvs (and all other non-tax teams), several hundred thousand each in tax payments. Portland’s 6 million divided X ways, not to mention the fact that it became X-1 when we went over the tax.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We pretty much paid for Miles' season contract with the Grizz....
sweet irony
by broden on Jul 7, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know as much as he hurt us
It was an excellent business move
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
If I was the Memphis GM, etc. I would have done the same thing. Business 101 class….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently they skipped the ethics class
I understand the nature of this business. But I do firmly believe the Grizzlies’ motivation to sign Miles was to hurt the Blazers’ finances without regard to their basketball team or Miles’ knee.
Their perception hurts their brand and business relationships (including players/GMs), and further erodes the fanbase. That is bad business. Short term vision with long term liability. This is how we got ourselves in this economic mess in the first place.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 7, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
but remember this...
The Griz is a relatively new “company” trying to get a foot up in a small market. If you were a new company making shoes and could screw Nike – what would you do? And if you were physically in that position, what do you get paid for? Yep. That’s what they pay me for.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you screw people
theyre not going to deal with you…
especially when its the Blazers and its for no apparent reason…the scary thing for all other teams is…does Memphis do this type of thing again if another strong team stands to be hurt?
by pdxlifer on Jul 7, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Business Ethics???
They had the opportunity to profit off of another companies mistake and that is unethical? they got to test out Miles for free + make a profit off of it, if I was that owner I would do the same thing. Sure it sucks for us but it is completely ethical
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Prtich Slap in reverse....
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 7, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say however Pritchard is clean on that one
Darius was another Management teams mess
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
no good was to come of using Miles…if he’s not good enough to help the defending champs, he’s not making a difference on the defending chumps
it was pure femaledogrearendness
by pdxlifer on Jul 7, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not about him making a difference
Its about being able to get a free look at him to see if he can contribute and profit off of it, win win, not to mention Darius could still play (more minutes then Shalik Randolf) so the Medical experts were wrong.
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they abid by the rules .. it really isn't an ethics issue.
We should never forget that owning a sports franchise is a business. Sure, there are plenty of team owners who are wealthy enough that owning a team is more of a hobby than a business. To some extent, they can choose to ignore the bottom line. It’s pretty much the same to them as being into boating or collecting a fine wine cellar. The losses are chaulked up to the expense of one’s hobby.
But that doesn’t mean this applies to every franchise owner. And those owners who buy a team with the idea of turning a profit are entitled to do so. All the whining about how they screw over the fans is just that – whining. And no one likes a whiner.
As for Memphis’ actions being bad for business – you need to prove that case. Hurting business relationships? Which relationships? I doubt any other owner really cares if Heisley managed to keep Portland in Lux tax land. If anything, a few might actually appreciate him for doing so.
Players? How so. Heisley basically gave Miles something no other team was willing to do – another shot at the NBA. Do you really think that when making a decision whether or not to sign with Memphis a player is going to stop and say to himself “Gee, I recall how the Griz signed Darius with no regard to the condition of his knees. They obviously don’t care about the welfare of their players.” I don’t think so. I’m sure we could do an entire post on nothing other than coming up with more probable reasons a guy would not sign with Memphis than that.
And where is the long term liability? First of all, the long term doesn’t matter if the short term has you by the short hairs. Talking long term is fine – for people who are not losing money every day. Secondly, as long as the model works, there is no long term liability. So what if Memphis never sniff’s the playoffs again, if the model assures profitability without regard to the team’s performance. And being lousy does assure a team of adding young (cheap) talent every year. There will always be fans who want to root for a team and will latch onto the hope that the next high draft pick brings.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so maybe Gay can be had soon
he only has 1 year left on his rookie deal. Who’s gonna get him for peanuts in the next 12 months?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way I will keep Battum
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be on the trading block for a high draft pick + expiring contract.
Look for him to be dealt around the trade deadline.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 7, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and their punishment...
the grizzlies will forever be terrible and basically the clippers. until they get moved because, lets be honest…how much longer are we going to watch a team who’s owner doesn’t care about winning and makes moves not to better his own team, but only to worsen others.
by pdxlifer on Jul 7, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this matters to us why?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gay is an inefficient scorer who is laughably bad at defense. Batum is a better long-term bet as a role player to play alongside Roy and Aldridge.
by Cablinasian on Jul 7, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not saying I want him
just saying he is likely going to be had by someone on the cheap. and he’s a sexy (read: overrated) player that will get the pundits all abuzz about what a great pickup it was
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably going to regret this
but I’ve got to disagree. Defense is way too subjective so I’m going to defer to you on that but to say Gay is an ineffecient scorer is the same as saying Roy was in his second year. I don’t know about you, but I loved Roy in his second year and the numbers are amazingy similar with Gay a slightly better rebounder and Roy far superior in assists.
Roy second year:
MPG:37.7, FG%: 0.454, 3P%: 0.340, FT%: 0.753, RPG: 4.7, APG: 5.8, SPG: 1.1, BPG: 0.2, PPG: 19.1
Gay this year:
MPG:37.3, FG%: 0.453, 3P%: 0.351, FT%: 0.767, RPG: 5.5, APG: 1.7, SPG: 1.2, BPG: 0.8, PPG: 18.9
I guess we may have to agree to disagree on his efficiency. Gay is producing at a high rate playing beside a black hole in Mayo so I don’t see why he wouldn’t be very good beside a much better teammate in Roy. I trust Nate and the staff to get an uber athlete like Gay to play better defense.
"I'm a buffet of goodness."
by TP43 on Jul 8, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon is an all-around player who had a poor year, efficiency-wise, in his second season. Gay is a scorer who had a 52.8% TS mark. A pure scorer needs to have a Granger-esque TS, not to mention Durant or Martin.
Gay refuses to play good defense. It’s really awful.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 8, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This causes me to perhaps reconsider his value.
I’m not a big Rudy G fan, but then I don’t follow Memphis. I’ll admit that a good part of my opinion is based on what I read when he came out – that he gave the impression of being highly talented, but not so highly motivated. I tend to dislike that combo. However, I realize that a) it may have been an unfair characterisation and b) even if true, it doesn’t mean the guy couldn’t grow up and change.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can go gay anytime you choose.
As for wanting to acquire Rudy Gay – why?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
small market MLB teams in the rust belt
have been doing this for at least a decade
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of a salary cap probably forces some teams to make a tradeoff to survive.
Some organizations have superior talent evaluators to compete year to year. Although the retention rate is very low.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 7, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one point of note
if Portland renounced BOTH Freeland and Koponen, then you will have to add back in another – 457,588 for a roster charge (for being under 12 players). Renouncing one saves 824,000, but renouncing the second one only saves another 366,000
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When is that counted
Because what if we fill up those roster spots before the season begins
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it applies only in the summer
and any time we are below 12 players. i am not sure that if you went down to say 11 and had the hold, but then wanted to use all yuour space to sign a FA (who would be your 12th player), whether or not the amount of the roster charge hold could be included in that FA salary, since once you have him, the charge goes away again. interesting question.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
storyteller just made the same exact point via email. thank you good sir!
by Ben. on Jul 7, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So speaking of our Cap Space and David Lee
Does anyone else think that we may be having negotiations with Lee as leverage for our negotiations with Aldridge?
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 7, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
as posted in the lee fanshot:
that sounds like a high-risk, low-reward move that goes agaisnt all the "culture" KP and company is always talking about. If LMA is your guy, you go pay him. I’m not saying you don’t negotiate, but you don’t pull lowball moves like trying to leverage him for a few million of PA’s money (especially given how PA is constantly throwing it around on draft day) by threatening to sign a guy at his position that you don’t really want. That’s the kind of move that will end up with LMA signing the QO next summer and walking the summer after.
if we are truly interested in Lee, it’s legit. Personally, I don’t get it at all, but it’s not a leverage LMA play.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense, but...
I laugh heartily at this idea
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Jul 8, 2009 12:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
To summarize our maximum offer to a free agent is:
Assuming that Koponen is the most likely to be renounced and Claver the least likely it follows that:
CAP MAX 5 YR
3 Euros $49,982,722 $42,927,550
Renounce Koponen $51,101,482 $47,762,803
Renounce Koponen, Freeland $51,559,070 $50,447,289
Renounce All 3 $49,982,722 $58,540,335
by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Jul 7, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
when does Miles come off our salary roll?
by Sheedwasright on Jul 7, 2009 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at the same time that Roy and LMA's extensions will kick in
So, no cap relief in sight, unless you want to waive goodbye to Joel, Blake and Outlaw and “maybe” sign 1 FA next July?
It’s time to use the capspace, now
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 8, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As said in Douglast's "Cap Space 2010" post, it's pretty sure the 2010 cap (and tax) will be even significantly lower
$2 million at least, likely $4 million, could be even $6 million.
That fact will destroy the 2010 sweepstakes plans of a lot of teams. They won’t be able to grab one of the marquee free agents either because those re-sign with their teams for more money or flock to the few major teams with a lot of space, and will have to settle for lesser ones. Or just for taking most of the savings of the cleared salary and avoided luxury tax, as a few owners might be inclined to do.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 8, 2009 1:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Will KP just make a move already?
I’m getting bored.
by PoliSam on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So when do we stop paying for miles?
Is Darius on our books next year too?
by MrBittr on Jul 8, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shape up or go to Memphis
Just think, if a player doesn’t cooperate with management or the team you can threaten them with a trip to the eastern front, I mean Memphis
by 7677maniac on Jul 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The $457K Cap Hold...
Is somewhat moot isn’t it…I mean if they are trying to sign a player and renounce Kaponen and Freeland to do so, then the $457K simply gets tacked onto their cap space. If they renounce Kaponen and Feeland but don’t use all of their space and don’t sign a 2nd player – then that is when the hold is placed on their Cap room so that they can sign someone for the league minimum…right?
by Jimbob91577 on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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