Gerald Wallace - Unbalanced Trade Rumor
by trackmpm on Jul 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT
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PrintPer Jason Quick (Oregonian) on 1080 the fan...Rumor has it that KP is targeting Gerald Wallace of the Bobcats in an unbalanced trade proposal. Per Quick, Blazers would likely give up some combination of Outlaw, Batum, Bayless + cap room. Quick thinks Wallace would be a much better fit than Turkoglu. Your thoughts. I think this would be a great move given the angst that Turks backing out caused and would give us the drive to the basket game to help compliment the rest of our roster. I would prefer to keep Batum in the deal however.
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God forbid we give up unrealized potential for an actual player in his prime.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ya
Wallace will look really nice standing in the corner jacking up threes….
/s
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And at a glorious rate of
29.8%. Wait til’ all of the 3 pt. lovers on BE see this one. Just make sure we keep Batum.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
Agreed!
Batum aint going nowhere! Wish I could say for Bayless, but his summer league prowess hasnt shown up yet.
Batum is going to be a star.
Outlaw is a dude. Ship him off.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
Don't want bayless going anywhere either
his numbers mirror aaron brooks in his rookie season. If this is going to be an UNBALANCED trade, we need to not be giving up a future all star.
Looking forward to GW practicing his corner 3s.
Like Dale Davis or Shawn Kemp?
How did those “put us over the top” trades work out?
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Jul 6, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
some times
i think KP has been to “safe” when trying to make trades not wanting to give up “potential” for a star that will make us better now but im glad to see him make a move like this. i think this still gives us that third opition when Roy and Aldrige are double teamed just like hedo would have done it just comes at a greater cost
People People
How come so many blazer fans prefer a deep young roster full of potential to a dynamite starting five with two or three very good players off the bench?
that's awesome
i prefer two or three studs in a starting lineup. tends to win more championships.
roy + wallace + aldridge + oden for several years should put us in contention for a very very long time.
we can roll the dice on batum and bayless but odds are long they’ll ever be as good as wallace is now.
and
odds are that KP will be able to keep drafting complementary players that will help off the bench
by HighSchoolQuarterback on Jul 6, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Batum is a natural....
There is a reason the bobcats drool over him and want to give up their best player to get him. Batum was a deal breaker at the deadline last season for both teams. We weren’t getting Wallace without giving up Batum, and they weren’t giving up Wallace without recieving Batum back. The kid is a stud, he started on a 54 win team as a 19 year old rookie, and looked while doing so. I don’t trade him, but thats just my opinion…
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And that was because Jordan wanted him......
badly
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
I read somewhere...
Jordan said he saw a lot of Scottie Pippen in him.
I would trade bayless and outlaw but no Batum
But we might win with Crash one of those championship ring things so its hard decision.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 6, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The post didn't say all of them
The post said a combination of them, which to me indicates most likely not all of them. Cap space is a given.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 6, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They can't give up Bayless unless they have another PG solution...
….as that would leave only Blake
how would KP acquire Kirk
after he’s given away all his “goodies” to the Bobcats for GW?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
it really depends on his negotiation stance
if we only give CHA some of the cap space we have, ie 4 mil or less
we can still trade Blake straight up for Kirk. Then we don’t need Trout.. If we do include Trout with Blake, then thats a basic wash on salary and we can use 7 or 8 million to bring on Wallace.. say like Batum +Bayless if that was something KP wanted to do. Or trade Pryz and a rookie
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, geting Hinrich and Wallace is possible
Even though we would probably be giving up Blake/Bayless, Rudy(?), Batum, and Outlaw in two separate deals, we’re getting fairly young (Hinrich 28, Wallace 27) starting talent that makes us significantly better on defense and a noticeably better on offense. We become less reliant on 3-balls and jump shooting and able to lock down the PG and SF positions on the other end. Although Hinrich and Wallace don’t have the ability to spread the floor with consistent 3-point shooting, they are gifted enough on offense to be definite scoring threats at their positions and will demand attention. Wallace gives us rebounding, attack-the-rim offense, stifling D, and intangibles. Hinrich gives us more creativity and better leadership at the point, stifling D, and spot-up scoring.
Charlotte probably wants Batum and KP might be considering a lopsided trade using him. Batum is 19 and still looks a little raw to grow with Roy and Co. fast enough to make the Blazers competitive for a championship in the next 2 years. Oden is only slightly older but he already has an unmistakable physical presence on the court.
If KP can’t let go of Batum, perhaps a package of Pryzbilla + draft pick + Rudy would do the trick. If Blake (or Rudy) and Outlaw went to Chicago for Hinrich, this would leave us with Bayless, Webster, and Batum to back up the PG, SG, and SF spots. A very young bench indeed, but at least they would get a chance to develop within well-defined backup roles. The problem is that we would still probably need a good backup PF to make our bench deep enough to compete in the Western Conference, but would there be money? If we lost Pryzbilla we’d definitely need a banger to play alongside Aldrige when he shifts to the backup center spot. Another potential problem with getting both Hinrich and Wallace is that both Blake and Bayless might be involved in trades. In this case we would probably retain Rudy, and perhaps Roy and Rudy would be asked to share backup PG minutes.
Here we go with the Hinrich thing again.
We are talking about a trade that actually adds a skill set we don’t currently have, and a legit scorer in Wallace. Hinrich is just a lateral move that cost way too much money. Wallace is a move that makes sense. If we send Bayless, we pick any number of PGs with a similar salary. In other words, if we can get Wallace for $4mil, then we don’t go out and spend 10mil for someone’s back PG. We have a solid guy in Blake, and we will have around 1 to 3 mil to spend on a solid back-up who may have as much potential as Bayless, or be more reliable. With Blake, who doesn’t turn the ball over and hits his shots, you already have the right guy to be fourth or fifth scoring option, and run a unit with three serious scoring options Roy, Aldridge, Wallace, + Oden/Joel. If Wallace and Oden attract a crowd inside, Blake hits his shots at a better percentage than Hinrich, and although Hinrich drives more, with Roy and Wallace driving, we are better off with Blake’s fewer turn overs than Hinrich’s more frequent drives. The Addition of Wallace really starts to weaken the already weak arguments for Hinrich over Blake. I think it’s to our advantage to stay near or below the cap. It’s already lower than we thought it would be, so in the future there may not be other teams who we could dump cap on if we needed to make a move. With the lower cap, every big contract is a huge mark against flexibility, so we need to avoid big contracts for role players at all costs. If you are arguing that Hinrich is more than a role player, you are delusional. He is a solid role player, similar to Blake, and you may prefer him, but he has a contract that was signed in an too generous era that is over. He is a utilitarian item with a luxury price tag, in a necessarily frugal era.
Outlaw only.....of those three
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
The stance of the sergio fans remains
Let Bayless have one more year. So many rocket fans would’ve been willing to throw in the towel on brooks and trade him after his rookie season, but he is a complete stud and proved it against the blazers. GW would look great in a blazer uniform though. Hinrich would be great at point also, IMO, but needs a back up. Wether it is bayless or blake, I prefer bayless.
It's been a year...
I don’t understand why people are willing to say Bayless won’t hit expectations. Not everyone takes the Brandon Roy route, especially when they only played one year in college.
I wouldnt
He’s a proven commodity, Ill personally take the proven or the potential.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
A little too much
The only way we get rid of Bayless is if they have plans to bring in Miller or another PG. I will gladly give up Outlaw and Batum for Wallace. They where really high on him at the trade deadline last year so why not go out and get him now.
The only thing is
Wallace can’t shoot the 3.
by axel360 on Jul 6, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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I don’t give them Batum in the deal. Outlaw + cap relief = pull the trigger. Outlaw + Bayless + caprelief = maybe, I trust it if KP says yes. Outlaw + Bayless + Batum + cap relief = NO….
I like Wallace’s defense and hustle but I question how well he fits considering he can’t hit an outside jumper to save his life. Stretching the defense is pretty important when you have Roy/Oden/LMA. He also hasn’t been the healthiest player in the world, missing 68 games in the last 4 seasons…
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bayless & outlaw, sure
keep batum. Sign Miller to pair with Blake at the PG spot
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I guess that'd work, salary-wise
If Miller was willing to accept about 5 mil/year
But adding two bad shooters at PG/SF doesn’t sound like what David Aldridge was talking about re: Portland desiring outside shooters
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
not a big fan either
just throwing stuff out there.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
yes, except...
replace Miller with Sessions.
Ultimately we’d be turning Bayless and Outlaw into Gerald Wallace and Ramon Sessions. Sounds good to me.
Sounds fabricated to me.
Blazers are commited to Bayless. Batum has huge upside potential.
I’m all for getting Wallace, but aside from salary lopsidedness, I’d say that’s lopsided in the favor if the Bobcats if anything.
Look folks if you want a legitimate starting 3 you have to give up talent.
Sometimes you have to have the stones to give up young talent.
The Blazers waited too long with Sergio until he had lost almost all value.
Should the Blazers continue to make the same mistake again and again?
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
OK...
So would you do some combination of Rudy + draft picks + cap relief for Wallace?
I think if you can do that, flip Outlaw and Blake for Hinrich, and maybe get another vet (at PG or PF), I think that would be a successful offseason.
by Furious Styles on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
great points
unless you subscribe to the theory that we have bigger needs than the starting ‘3’, which I do.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
If true, this tells me that Martell is toast. They don't think he's coming back, and that's
why the desperation for another 3. But then why offer Batum? Nuts. This is nuts.
yeah
I am kind of beginning to think they know a lot more (bad things) about Martell then they are letting on. I don’t mind getting Wallace, and would have no problem moving Outlaw and Bayless for him. But keep Nic. That guy is going to be a player, I’m SURE of it. He just has the “it” factor to him, and at such a young age too.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
where did I say that?
I said we have bigger needs than SF – namely PG. I think Batum/Outlaw can more than man the SF position another year if Martell is not good to go – providing we upgrade the PG spot, and maybe even if we don’t.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Everyone seems to forget..
That if we don’t trade Trout, he’ll walk in Free Agency next year and we’ll have nothing to show for it.
An Oregonian in Texas.
i have been in favor of trading Trout for over 12 months
and I remain so. I’d just focus on making a 3 for 1 deal for a PG, not a SF.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Sergio NEVER had much value
And if you think he did, you’re kidding yourself.
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TRUE
Especially now that the league just took on a load of fresh new PG talent.
An Oregonian in Texas.
Bud Dwyer - true
But it’s not open and shut. You don’t always give up on young players so that you make room for veterans.
Case and point – Sacramento 5 years ago gave up on a young SG/SF by making him available in the expansion draft. They decided to keep Doug Christie instead. Think they regret making that choice today?
Gerald Wallace is a beast
he can score, defend, pass, rebound (7.8 rpg!), great athleticism, only 26. so so so underrated. i would WAY rather have him than hedo. not even close.
by axel360 on Jul 6, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm getting really sick of this.
This is starting to sound like desperation, where the Blazers act like they have to get someone, anyone at any price.
This proposal is particularly nauseating.
?
whats wrong with trying to upgrade the lakers got artest the rockets got ariza and the spurs got RJ now the team we have won 54 games and tied for the divison but i think we need to do at lest get one player to improve one position and i dont see why people have a problem with that
There's a dfference of opinion as to whether this proposal is a net upgrade and even if it
is, does it represent a short term uptick with a longer term net downturn built in.
Does Not Pass the Smell Test
Why on earth would Charlotte want another point guard? They have Felton and Augustin already. KP would not trade Batum right now.
The more likely scenario is trade Outlaw+Przybilla+picks for Wallace and sign either Birdman or Lee as PF/C backup.
Oh I just hate to see Joels name out there
I know he’s probably our most valuable trade chip, but I like him too much to see him go.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
trout + prizballa
I could see that as the offer, particularly if they believe they can sign a capable backup to joel. He is far too good to stay in a back up role long term, but we can only afford to part with him if we know greg is ready for starting. Last year Greg wasn’t ready, and prizbilla was unquestionably starter quality material. If greg is ready, I can understand giving up Joel and taking on a less talented backup, probably an older vet, to have the opportunity to acquire an incredible SF who can take the pressure off Roy and prevent the kind of traps Houston laid for us. If the blazers had won only 1 more game in the regular season, they might have won the playoffs. Houston was a terrible match up for us, and even then we would likely have won it had we been ready in game 1. At least then it would’ve been 3-3 going into Portland, and I would like the blazers odds. KP is really big on keeping bayless and batum. For the bobcats, wanting prizbilla makes more immediate sense.
If we trade Joel
I think it’s gotta be for a big time player, and I’d rather have another interior defender in place to replace him.
Lee would be a great backup, but he’s a bad defender who would hurt us inside if depended upon to be a defender.
Having two good centers is a luxury I don’t wanna give up easily. Joel has several years left as a tough role player.
Mortimer
In other words
Trading Joel and signing Lee would give Lee the minutes he wants, but not the starting position, and he would hurt us overall since he’s such a bad defender.
We don’t need more offense, unless that guy is a great playmaker and penetrator. We don’t need Lee’s style of offense, not with who we already got.
Morty
agree
Przybilla is so essential, because he does everything that we don’t have enough of.
maybe because Bayless isn't a point guard?
they can play him at the ‘2’
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Sure, then he is a short shooting guard
thus less valuable.
which is one reason i have no problem moving him
I’m just trying to answer your original question.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Again
They are not looking for either a short SG or PG.
you work for them?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Less valuable?
it’s not like he’s Nate Robinson-sized. Charlotte played plenty of minutes with DJ and Felton both on the court this past year, and DJ stands a total of 5’11". Even before they traded for Kidd, the Mavs would regularly play Jet and Harris alongside each other.
Bayless played the two in college and will almost definitely play a fair amount of two in the pros if he ends up elsewhere. If the Bobcats think he’s a good prospect, they’ll value him as such.
and even if he may be eventually
Rudy is still a huge chip to have. honestlry, Rudy/Outlaw/pick seems pretty fair to me.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
i love wallace
i dont think charlotte wants another point guard.
marty travis and joel?
bayless leaves over my dead body
I think Martell has little to no trade value
New long contract + bum foot that doesn’t seem to be healing too fast = we’re stuck with him. Hopefully he can recover though…
by Furious Styles on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Typical BE belief
Give a team Outlaw and get a star in return
Huh?
It’s not JUST Outlaw …you should really pay attention.
That is what people are saying
No to Batum
No to Bayless
Thats leaves Outlaw
Throw in money+Picks. Bobcats are still building.
B.S. Liberal Studies OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
Keep in mind this would be a cost cutting measure for a lottery team
with a notoriously cheap owner/GM.
I kinda like it, but
it still feels like a forced move. “Hey everyone, we can make a trade too!”
Seems like a simple question to me: “Can you see Wallace starting on a Championship team?”
I can sure picture Batum on one…
yes I could see Wallace on a championship team
Tough and good. Batum is not going to get there for a couple of years but I too would rather hold on to him until later.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 6, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I would definitely give up Travis and Martell and cash and a pick for him
That would be fair value for the Bobcats, making their bench deeper and buying low on Martell while getting Wallace’s contract off their deep red books.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
Why would the bobcats want a play with a still broken foot?
Martell has ZERO trade value
100% correct
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Buying low
Their coach hates all players he finds on his roster, and has very peculiar ideas how to improve. Martell can have value for their system, and Travis replaces Wallace cheaper until then.
Unlike New Orleans and NJ, Charlotte is really looking to save all costs and the owner is looking for a buyer to take over the majority shares.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
It's 3 years, plus 1 year unguaranteed. For Wallace they have to pay $38 million guaranteed.
I don’t know if the Bobcats would accept Webster, but he the package is definitely cheaper for them with both players younger.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
Because he's basically a throw in to a trade here
In the end, Webster is still a top 10 pick, who was shooting the lights out before he got hurt, and had contributed to a solid team. He’s also signed to a completely reasonable contract, assuming he’s healthy.
It’s entirely possible that Webster could give the Bobcats roughly the 75% of what Wallace is giving them now, while being locked up for three years at half the cost. His value is low now because of the injuries, but higher risk means higher payouts.
Wallace's PER the last two years has been roughly 18
Webster’s in 2007-2008 was 12, but it’s probably completely unreasonable to think it’s possible that the 22 year old one-time 6th pick in the draft could raise that to about 15 or 16 (75%) within a couple years.
I think you are all nuts
You don’t get something for nothing. You have to trade value to get value. So whenever a trade proposition comes up where we trade anything other than Blake or Trout, why do you all shoot it down immediately?
Would I trade Nic or Bayless along with Trout to get Crash Wallace? YES! Y-E-S! In a second. In less than a second. God that would be awesome. Wallace has a very fair contract and in the right scenario (IE NEVER playing the 4) will be awesome.
I would trade any combo of two of our players except Roy/LMA/Oden to get Wallace in a millisecond. This is what I would do:
Trout and Bayless/Batum/Rudy in exchange for Crash and Mohammed’s contract.
FInally rational thinking!
Teams know the Blazers have young talent. Any team not getting that young talent is nuts
Blazers have cap space too
we like our young talent too. If they want they can want it all day, bottom line in this economy we take a hard line on using our money to get assets and not give too much young talent away we will get deals this way.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 6, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
"You don't get something for nothing"?
It sure seemed like the Spurs did, and the Lakers, and the Cavs, and….
Except for the Lakers (who lets face it get all the breaks from the NBA)
The Spurs and Cavs are both taking huge risks with vastly overpaid players.
Not really.
Spurs will have to rebuild soon. Jefferson’s contract ends the same time Tony Parker’s does, and one year before Duncan. Meaning if they were planning on making major moves in the next few years Jefferson doesn’t hurt that.
Shaq’s ends this coming year, as does you know who’s (assuming he opts out). So Shaq won’t hurt a possible forced rebuilding if Lebron leaves.
If trout is already in a deal with Chi
what would you send?
Pryz and bayless/batum/rudy?
btw im with you
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell no
Batum goes nowhere. Would be a BIG mistake in my book. I’m a bayless fan too, but whatever. I don’t care if it’s Gerald Wallace, who I’ve never been a fan of……
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
I know
We agree that it doesn’t pass the smell test.
Going by the rumor, that’s what I’d be willing to give.
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I doubt Charlotte does it, too
But having drafted Gerald Henderson does not mean that they wouldn’t be interested in Rudy. They very well may have drafted him because he was the best on their board at that pick, not because they necessarily saw him as the answer at SG. If this rumor is true, I’m sure they’re trying to get KP to give up Batum. But if KP were to offer Rudy and Outlaw as his last and best offer, they just might bite.
For a guy as good as Wallace is at only 26, I’d be okay giving up Rudy. I wouldn’t like it, because I love having him on this team, but I’d do it. However, IMO Batum just has too much upside to give up in a package for anyone but a true all-star caliber player. Wallace is close to that when healthy, but with his injury history he’s just too uncertain to warrant giving up Batum.
For Wallace
Its
Outlaw + {Batum, Rudy, Przybilla} and/or {Webster, draft picks}
You can’t get Wallace for less. This scenario makes the most sense:
Outlaw + Przybilla + Webster + picks = Wallace + fillers
Or Trout for Devin Harris
Go back and find the threads on that and see what the general consensus was on that rumor. People vastly overrate the players already on the team.
I’m not super excited to get rid of Joel for Wallace, but like I said, any of Rudy/Batum/Bayless would be good value as far as I’m concerned.
And Sign Birdman or Lee as PF/C
I think that is the most logical scenario for KP to take.
i like wallace and radmanovic for pryz+outlaw+1st round unprotected and cash
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Birdman will be back in Denver ... Front Office has been negotiating his deal over the past week.
Pickaxe & Roll.com: 5,280 reasons to be a Nuggets fan
So
What is stopping KP from swooping in and make a much better offer? Denver is over the salary cap. They can’t offer him much.
Well, I guess nothing! ha.
But Bird has stated he wants to be back in Denver and negotiations are well under way. But stranger things have happened right!?
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that wouldnt be unbalanced tho
and thats what quick said.. an unbalanced trade..
If we give them Trout and Pryz, those two make more than Wallace
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
where are you hearing this?
or did you just make that up to get me excited?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ajinca sucks, and I'm not saying that lightly. He was bad before the draft, and he is bad in the NBA.
He is years away from being a serviceable center/bigman. It’s rather likely he is back in Europe after his guaranteed years.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
really? I thought he looked good in his highlights i saw on the interwebs.. again only highlights.. have you seen him play norsk?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Before the draft. Not much in the NBA since he didn't play. He was bad even in a d-league game I saw. He was always bad.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
You can ask the editor of Rufus on Fire. He hates Ajinca.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
His own coach doesn't like him
“He has the tools, the skills, but there’s a lot more involved when you’re talking about Lex,” said Brown.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
He's horrible
He’s gangly, uncoordinated, has no real skill.
Just really long and skinny.
I dunno if he’s a headcase, but he isn’t an athlete.
Mortimer
ouch
thats a damning statement…
so what happened? Draft Express was pretty high on him a year ago
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He was long and foreign
It happens every year. He’s an exotique.
If he was an American playing in college and being horrible, he would have a tough time getting drafted. Or, would still be in school instead of learning what a basketball is on an NBA team’s dime.
Unkle Morty
but usually DX
doesnt get overly enamored with foreigners. They temper themselves pretty well, not like Chad Ford and his obesssion with Euros
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can't say why
I like DX, too.
He’s really long and lanky, so the raw goods look like something you could mold into usefulness. There were lots of comparisons to LMA during the run up to the draft, but he can’t run the floor like LMA does.
He might become good one day, but he’s got a looooong way to go.
M—
did he play in europe this last year?
or just in the D-league
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
30 games with 6 mpg for Charlotte. A few in the d-league.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
hmm.. well larry is a take charge coach.. so if that didnt work there i guess it wouldnt work with Nate either..
hmm.. well larry is a take charge coach.. so if that didnt work there i guess it wouldnt work with Nate either..i guess the q is, are his skills good enough he could get better?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be very wary of Wallace and his injury history.
He’s never played a full season in the NBA or even played more than 72 games.
In fact in his 8 year NBA career he averaged 58.5 games per season.
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He just needs to play the 3 exclusively
He gets beaten up by 4’s because the Bobcats were playing him there out of necessity. Keep him at the 3 and I bet he will be able to stay a lot healthier.
except playing for us he'll run into Bynum's hip 4 times per year
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
He also tends to get beat up on acrobatic dunk attempts ...
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Big deal.
Pryzbilla has missed about 4 out of 10 games with an injury.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 6, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Charlotte would do DeSagana Diop for Joel, too
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
joel and outlaw for Wallace and Diop?
whats desagnas absurdly priced contract?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
from storyteller's website, DD is signed through 2013
DeSagana Diop 6,031,800 6,031,800 6,478,600 6,925,400 7,372,200
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm
15+ mil when you add Wallace + Diop = there goes Travis, Joel and all the capspace
(I like GW “okay” but I’d keep Joel and let the Bobcats keep DD)
Dealing Batum is a tough call. IIIRC, Nic was the deal-breaker when a GW trade was being discussed back in Feb…will KP get desperate and “cave in” now
how often has Quick been right about a trade?
exactly
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
wow
first off.. people read the post.. it said SOME combination of those players, not all of them.
Gerald Wallace is a fantastic player and would be a great fit for our team. I am not high on trading Bayless or Batum, and I doubt either of them would be in the deal. I could see Pryz and Outlaw go out in a deal but that wouldnt be unbalanced. It would save Char no money. So if it IS an unbalanced deal that means we are taking more money than we are giving.
Outlaw might already be included in that Hinrich deal as well, so take that into account.
I will say though, that if it is a choice between Batum or Wallace, I take Wallace every day of the week.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
I think Batum’s ceiling is lower than what Wallace already is.
That may be sacrilege here, but a healthy Crash is one of the most talented and exciting players in the NBA.
he can score on his own
he plays good defense, he rebounds from the 3 (amazingly teams have players that do that) and he doesnt need the ball to be effective (o-boards, steals)
somoene other than brandon has to be able to get points on their own
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He gives us another wing scoring option. He scores from mid-range and inside. He defends the perimeter better than almost any player in the league (much better net PER than e.g. Hedo). He can play 3 and back up LMA as needed. He rebounds a lot. His assist percentage is twice as high as Travis. His FTAs are twice as high as Travis’ and he shoots a higher percentage from the line.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
He can play 3 and back up LMA as needed
I think this is an important point. The Blazers like players who can guard more than one position. We saw that with their pursuit of Turk and of course they will need to “replace” Travis in that 3-4 role
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He's also a point forward, as well
Can dribble the ball up court, create for others, a one man fast break with his steals and blocked shots… pretty much a great player.
Can’t shoot 3’s all that well, but like Devin Harris he hits it enough that you HAVE to guard him… no one will leave him wide open out there, ruining our spacing. And like anyone else, he’ll be much more open as a Blazer and will likely hit a better percentage. He CAN hit it, and is enough of a threat to be defended out there.
The only problem is (and it can be a biggy), is the injury/concussion concerns. But hey, more time for Batum!
(Batum won’t be traded for Wallace).
Mortimer
Mortimer
Agree!
Fans and GM’s alike fall in love with potential. Batum and Bayless have potential. MOST POTENTIAL IS NEVER REALIZED IN THE NBA.
Wallace IS realized potential. Slightly worrisome injury history, though.
You are right
But if a smart GM who has been good at picking out players likes a guy enough and thinks he’ll be worth not trading him for an established player, I’m fine not moving that guy.
If Wallace didn’t have the concussion concerns, it may be different. But you could be trading away a great star role player that Batum is likely to become, for someone who has to end his career after one more bad hit.
That’s the problem, the ONLY problem, with Wallace.
Morty
I looove Crash, he's one of my favorite players in the league,
but I’m still not sure I’d trade for him. His injury history is freaky scary.
Great fit on the court, though (although the shooting obsessed Portlanders and the Blazer front office might not think so). I’m not sure when folks in the PNW stopped believing in slashers – yall remember that Clyde wasn’t a great outside shooter either? GW’s 3pointer isn’t great but it’s good enough to space the floor – no one gives him space if they don’t want him dunkin on they heads.
Crash can get to the rim against anyone. He’s one of the toughest men in the league, shrugs off collapsed lungs and cracked ribs multiple concussions, and is one of the elite wing defenders in the league. He’s like a non-crazy much better offense, almost equally good defense version of Ron Artest. But like wayyy more athletic.
The only reasons he would be available is his contract is too high for the needs of the Bobcats and that injury history
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
hence the unbalanced deal
but if we DO an unbalanced deal, that doesnt leave us with a ton of money to do an unbalanced trade with Chi.. which means outlaw is probably part of that trade
if your in the camp like me that KP already has a deal in place
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That Mills is in Portland rather tells me our PG lineup is Blake, Bayless, Mills
Unless KP has a deal worked out that sends Mills out, which works for draft picks unlike for free agents.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
I think they are higher on Blake than most fans
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
the blazers front office?
i guess we find out come the 8th huh.. i still think they make that move
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
its worth the risk
to get a shot at the title
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
One reason Outlaw is so valuable because:
1) very few players in the nba have outlaws size, athleticism, and jump shot
2) his contract. he’s not making too much and next year is his last year. expiring contracts are really valuable, especially before the 2010 free agency
Teams have been calling about Outlaw for years now. He has value.
So every team wants Outlaw except for the Blazers?
Amazing how that works!
in fairness its true
we just think we can leverage him into something better.. if we cant, its not like Trav wont be back. KP knows he is valuable
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake and Outlaw could be back next year or even this year even if they are traded
Blake more likely, if they trade him out and the Hinrich Bayless experiment fails would pick Blake up as a free agent to backup Hinrich, If the bulls allowed it.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 6, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
if the bulls release him, he could be back
he just has to wait 60 days.. its called the Spurs rule
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Go for it
I like Wallace’s game, he’ll take pressure off Roy
Batum would be sad, but is 2-3 years from ripening into any weapon, if that ever happens.
Outlaw, Bayless, + Cap= Go for it! We’ll have no problem solving the backup PG dilemma with another trade, or bring over Koponen.
No matter what?
Wow! Not bad for a 5 pt a game average
Look, if I told you that in three years...
Batum will average 17/8/3 plus a block and two steals with great D you would be pretty happy right? Ecstatic you might say.
That’s where Wallace already is!
by AndrewD on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think dwyer is with you
hey man, nice shot
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Great point
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 6, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If there was
a rumor out there involving LeBron and we had to give up batum, “ajinoregon” would be like “NOOOOOOO!!! Not Batum!!!!!”
by axel360 on Jul 6, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get where you're coming from
but that’s a poor rationale to have. Kobe averaged 7 points, 2 rebounds, and 1.3 his first season. He was also 18.
This is obviously an extreme example, as Batum will most certainly not attain that level of greatness, but if you’ve got something special, you hang onto it. You don’t think Charlotte is kicking themselves for giving up Kobe to get… Vlade Divac?
what is the saying
1 in the hand is better than 2 in the bush…
its really philosophy, if we arent close, wait for batum, if we are, get wallace
im not against keeping Batum, i would LOVE to keep him, but i would trade him for wallace in a heartbeat
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
you gotta play the odds
and odds say batum is a role player, but we already know gerald wallace is more than a role player
Kobe forced his way out
and Batum is NOT Kobe Bryant.
I like Batum, but people are acting like he’s Chris Paul or Brandon Roy or something. It’s getting a little weird in here.
I'm not saying he's the second coming of LeBron or Kobe
But why do you think in all of these trade rumors, Batum’s name seems to always come up? I think a LOT of other teams can see his potential, as well. He’s not untouchable, but only a legitimate all-star caliber player is what you need back. If Wallace didn’t have such a bad injury history, he might warrant letting Batum go. As it is, he doesn’t.
To me, a good cautionary tale is Devin Harris. Do you think Dallas still wishes they had given up on Harris’ potential to get Kidd? I doubt it. I think Batum has that kind of potential (if not more).
Travis Outlaw's name comes up a lot in trade rumors also
As do tons of other players, but that doesn’t make them guaranteed studs. As far as the Harris comparison, that’s just absurd. Devin Harris was the 5th pick in the draft, had already earned a decent extension, had never had a PER less than 14.7, and had proven his play over three and a half years.
Nic had a good rookie year, showed some potential, but it’s arguable that each of these three guys had similar or arguably better rookie years, and it would be a joke to label any as “untouchable”. We should try to keep him if at all possible, but he shouldn’t even be considered in the same stratosphere of untouchability as the big three.
that's the point
Whenever anyone questions why the Blazers don’t just “do nothing” and keep letting the “cake” bake, I try to remind them that Roy has asked for veteran help. Even if that means saying “goodbye” to playing with his good friend Travis. Let’s face it, Brandon “signed off” on the Hedo “attempt” and it was a foregone conclusion that if Turk came, Outlaw was not coming back
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Rudy, Trout, and Bayless for Crash would be alright with me. It would hurt, but I'd do it.
I reeeeally don’t wanna see Batum go, but I’d probably be okay with it if we got Crash. People that don’t like his game probably havent seen him play much. The guy is a match-up nightmare, getting to the line, getting boards, and frustrating the opposition. Not to mention the lock-down defense. He would be a HUGE upgrade for us.
I've watched plenty of Wallace
And am not a fan. I just don’t care for his style of play and don’t think he’d mesh well with Oden and Aldridge (on the court).
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Love Wallace. He's a stud.
He’s a warrior. If we can send Trout and Batum/Bayless to do this, it’s a great deal for Portland.
Outlaw is what he is. If Charlotte insists on Batum, I think we need to do it.
"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy
KP has to let go of one of his prized young draft picks someday
Do it, KP!
"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy
Why does Portland love Wallace?
Because he toasts us every year. I remember clearly last year, Wheel’s saying over and over, “Portland just has NO ANSWER to Gerald Wallace.”
If someone beats you up, you respect him.
This is the most EXCITING post in days!
Rudy, Outlaw, 2010 1st, cash
lineup is then:
Blake/Bayless
Roy/Bayless(Martell?)
Crash/Batum
LMA/Veteran
Greg/Joel
We can work on adding wing depth later – Wafer is on the market for one.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I'd argue Rudy is an upgrade to either of them
and a valuable trading chip for the future. and we are sending them a SF too
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
granted, but after losing Gerald Wallace
a SF of the future is what they need. Henderson is the SG of the future.
Bell is old and Henderson is not starter material
You simply can’t tell me they wouldn’t be interested in upgrading that position.
i dont know, quick reported it.. so it might be off base
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Accounting question
Wallace’s salary is only $9.5 million. So why would so much being sent out by Portland and only Wallace mentioned as coming back?
Could the idea be to do Bayless, Outlaw, and Cap space + Felton and Wallace, depending on Bayless in summer league?
Other possibilities?
I think the original post
was supposed to be outlaw plus ONE of the others, none of which equal 9.5
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we would probably have to take back Nazr Mohammed's contract too
Still do it in a freaking second.
Well Wallace and Nazr combined make about 16.4 million
Say we have about 8 mil in cap space. That’s another 8.4 million we would have to come up with to make this deal work.
According to Storyteller, Travis will make $3.6M next year, Bayless $2.15. Nic and Rudy even less. Which means we might have to get creative. S&T Channing in the deal? Give Raef the Keith Van Horn special and sign him to a one year, not fully guaranteed deal to make up the difference?
Just trying to make it work.
how bout not include Nazr
or if you have to, send them joel and travis.. keep the young kids
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You can make an argument that Wallace is underpaid
Why would you dump a reasonable salary? I think the only way Wallace leaves CHA is if he takes a bad contract with him.
Maybe Radmonovic shudder or Diop? They are pretty badly overpaid, but not as much as Mohammed I think.
As said above, Martell and Travis works. With or without Nazr.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
right i know that
i was just pointing that out for PoliSam
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
the point is that we have a lot of capspace
our capspace basically equals Wallace’s contract… and if the deal is lopsided, then, by definition, some amount of capspace is included.
right but if we sent them trav and say batum.. they would be taking on 5mil and we would be taking on 9.5.. that saves them 4.5 mil
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
so.. are you agreeing with me?
im confused
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had to guess, Bayless, Outlaw, and $3.7 million
I don’t think they’d do for Wallace.
They might do Batum, Outlaw, and $4.8, assuming they really like Batum. Hard to say.
so are you saying we include money?
I dont think we actually give them any cash, its just that they save that off their yearly player salaries
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
well if its a lopsided deal
there has to be capspace included, by definition. So, it’s Outlaw, Bayless, and $2-3 million in capspace? that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
I think it would make less sense for Charlotte
It’s probably fair and good for the Blazers because they use the remaining amount on a replacement for Bayless or a back-up power forward or both.
I see it as making less sense for Charlotte.
I think they are on of the teams
that are really hurting financially and any money they could save would be helpful.. its tough out there
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I just think to give up Wallace... who is the best player on their team...
they probably want at least $4.5 million, if not more. But, who knows?
i definitely would take a bad contract if it meant we got a good player. blazers wont have cap room for a while with or without taking a bad contract
by axel360 on Jul 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Quick trade rumors
Does Quick generally divulge specific names in trade rumors? I feel like he normally avoids naming people unless the proposal is already dead.
They say once you hear about it, that it is likely dead
Quick prefaced his comments by transitioning from explaining what happened with Turk to saying that he is hearing the Blazers are on to better things. Issac and Suke caught on and asked what was up and Quick responded with this rumor. What he is hearing is that Wallace is a target and would take a combination of players and cap space. No other Bobcat was mentioned. As our cap space is most of Wallace’s contract we could almost trade a pick to Charlotte for Wallace, ala Camby and the Clippers last year.
I think Charlotte would want someone, and Outlaw only hypothetically is $3.6MM this year only, which would save Charlotte ~$7MM this year and then expire. The question is what do they want?
so he never said
travis, bayless or batum? by name?
i dont know im in LA
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He did name
TO, Nic and Bayless as possibe chips in the trade. His and the radio guys hopes were to ship Outlaw solo.
eww
well in that case, if he said their names, its dead.. sigh
damn it quick
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Because it's terrible for the organization if their names are floated
No one wants to hear your team is trying to move you, and then if they can’t it’s really awkward.
Quick’s sources would dry up pretty quick (no pun intended) if he started naming names.
Outlaw/Bayless Okay, Otherwise No.
I assume that if this has any legs at all from Portland’s end, it does not involve giving up both Batum and Bayless.
I further assume that KP would not give up Batum, and that he would only give up Bayless if there is another option at PG already available (other than Mills)
That said, I am okay with giving up Outlaw and Bayless as long as there is another trade/signing to bring in either a new starting PG while keeping Blake as a backup, as starting PG was the lead identified need coming into the offseason, and Wallace does not solve that.
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
Wallace + Nazr = 15.960 million
so we would need to ship back at least 7 to 8 million for this deal.
Webster 4.320
Blake 4.000
Outlaw 3.600
Bayless 2.143
Rudy 1.165
Batum 1.118
so, at least 2 of the first 3 would probably have to go in that kind of deal.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
pryzbilla and outlaw
would be close to 10
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
thats not what it said.. a combination of those players.. as in outlaw/batum or outlaw/bayless
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade for Gerald Wallace!
The bobcats probably want Batum but im sure they would take Travis and Bayless. Pull the trigger if thats the deal. I love Travis (which puts me in the minority) but Gerald Wallace is a player that would fit in well here. Bayless may end up being Juan Dixon. See YA JERROD!!!
Trade is dead
From JQuick
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
thanks for the tease, Quick
"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy
He did mention that he believes that KP is gearing up to make another run at Devin Harris
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
new fanpost coming in 3.2.1...
let’s see if we can out-comment this one over there….
;-)
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
KP is out of options...
If Quick is right about this, it sounds as though KP is just making desperate stabs at whatever upgrade he can find.
Anyone else get the impression we didn’t have a plan-B after Turk?
Also, I wonder if KP is capable of swinging a major trade? I feel like he might not be willing to pull the trigger on anything short of a Pritch-slap. Now that we’re a legit team with plenty of desirable assets, I fear that other GMs will be unwilling to allow us to take them out to the woodshed. They’re always going to think that the Blazers have so many young assets that they deserve to get at least one more.
No
I think he has just moved to the next phase, recognizing that any free agent signing they could make with available free agents is worse than any guy we could get via trade, so explore all possible trade options. Remember, whille FANS want something done like yesterday, the Blazers are not restricted on timing for trades…can’t even make a trade based on next year’s salaries until after the salary cap is put forward.
That said, I think there is some urgency involved in getting certain players likely to be moved before their current team moves them, but not nearly the urgency that existed to get a free agent signed to a deal.
Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....
BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!!
And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!
Yeah they just had him back on
Charlotte is shooting down all offers for Gerald Wallace
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
Greg Oden rule? Who has heard of this: From True Hoop piece on Tyler Hansbrough
With 4:32 left, Hansbrough called for the ball in the post and converted with the shot clock running out. "I was in a little foul trouble, so I was thinking more about not fouling than playing," said Hansbrough, apparently unaware of the Greg Oden rule, affording unlimited fouls in summer league games. "I think in the second half I just played basketball."
"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy
that was the rule well before Oden played in summer league
so if they call it the “Greg Oden rule”, it’s not because they created it for him – more than likely just some lazy announcer thinknig they did.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
If I were Charlotte
I’d want Rudy and Outlaw or Rudy and Batum. Larry Brown is not going to start a rookie (Henderson) at SG. Raja Bell is OK, but not a long term solution (he’s in the last year of his contract and 32 years old). Felton is 6 foot tall, not a full-time SG. In Diaw, they already have a replacement for Wallace on the roster. They have no need for Bayless because they have Felton and Augustine (who they drafted ahead of Bayless).
Quick now saying on 1080 that Charlotte is saying Wallace is not available.
How about Rudy and Outlaw and cap space for Diaw? He’s kind of a point forward like Turkaglu.
JQ if you read this.. wanna know why people talk trash about you.. its this kinda stuff.. dont float BS JUST to get people to listen or read.. otherwise your just the next Vecsey or Sam Smith
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, that was the most interesting trade rumor in a long while
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
and the whole thing played came full circle in under an hour.
time for the next one?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I hear Stephon Marbury is available and better than Blake
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
could it be possible
that he was just guessing on who we would send out..
and got a call from KP to cancel that rumor RIGHT NOW..
and thats why he got back on the air and said no dice so fast?
(fingers crossed)
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
in this market
it could happen.. some of these teams are really hurting for cash
and frankly batum and bayless arent exactly junk to other teams.. neither is travis.. he is valued for his scoring and his cheap contract
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
other fans are a lot worse than us
but yeah, if u trade with the right team. thats why some people (including me) have just a tiny bit of hope that we could pull off a trade for harris. the nets are hurting really bad financially. team like the nets, suns, hornets, bucks, knicks are sellers this offseason
star players?
Granted Gerald Wallace is a great player, but don’t you have to take in account salary vs. reliability? G. Wall get’s paid what? 8-12 mill per year, but he is often injured. Is it better to have a guy who is high risk high reward for a lot of money, or a low risk low reward guy who doesn’t cost you anything and can also go off for an occasional 25 points?
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
Disappointed.
Quick Rumor or not, I would have been happy if this was the only thing to have happened in the offseason.
Diaw?
Shot over 40% from 3 last year. Good defender. Excellent passer. Can play some PF. I think it would take Fernandez and Outlaw with Bell coming back along with Diaw to balance the rosters. Charlotte ends up with 9 mill cap space for FA or another unbalanced trade.
Would Diaw start at SF for us until Batum takes over (in 2 years?)?
We’d have the French connection at SF.
i think thats the type of player we're after
kind of a “point forward”. a versatile 3 who scores and has experience. and can hit the 3. basically, a hedo clone.
What about Chris Paul?
I haven’t heard his name mentioned in possible trades.
/s
by Furious Styles on Jul 6, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
oh you just HAD to go there, didn't you?
…
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
noooo
HINRICH SUCKS i will sell my season tickets if we get hinrich…
by These Refs Suck on Jul 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
if we get hinrich...
sure.. cus i will never watch untill hes gone hate that guy.. hes overpaid …..
by These Refs Suck on Jul 6, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i will gladly take your tix off your hands
you might miss a championship though
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Birdman
His name has been relatively quiet too. I think he would be great backing up LMA if we could pry him away from Denver
His name has been quiet because he's not going anywhere.
Dude’s got talent for sure though. Even if he does look a stretched-out version of the Sham-Wow guy.
An Oregonian in Texas.
Linus Kleiza
He’s a scrappy Euro forward who can hit the 3, he’d come cheaper than Lee and would weaken a division rival
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Steve Francis
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
Did you know....
The three highest paid players on the Blazers’ payroll last year played a combined zero games (as a Blazer)? Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz, Darius Miles.
That’s messed up if you ask me.
i would love wallace on the blazers
2nd only to odom. i wish they would take martell. also my only real question is how effectively can wallace guard odom.
I would expect the deal to look something like this:
Portland sends:
Travis Outlaw ($4 million)
$3 million in cash
Unprotected 1st round pick 2010 + 2nd round pick 2010
for
Gerald Wallace ($9.5 million)
Nazr Mohammed or DeSagana Diop ($6 million)
That’s eating all our cap space, but I’d love Gerald Wallace.
Unless Pryzbilla is included, that means we stick with Blake and sign Mills or a veteran cheap.
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
that wouldnt work
too lopsided. 3 mill in cash considerations doesnt mean we can take 3 mil more in salary
Combined with Nic and Greg that roster might lead the league in blocked shots
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
outlaw and who else?
don’t want to trade batum, but if we can put blake and outlaw, or outlaw and bayless, and then find a way to get another point guard on the roster, i would be very confident in next year’s team. wallace brings toughness athleticism and can take the defensive pressure off of roy, think he would be great and not a totally unreasonable contract given we’re giving up 4 mil in outlaw’s salary alone.
G Wall
He’s good, and he would solve at least two major problems the Blazers have, but his health is a serious issue. Dude cannot stay healthy, and he has had something like 8 concussions which, to me, is a major red flag.
Am I willing to give up two guys who appear to have ridiculous potential in Nic and Jerryd, along with a proven scorer in Outlaw for him? Not so sure.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
that just means he works hard and is unafraid
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
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