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BIG NEWS ALERT: Brother Wendell Maxey will be on tonight's Courtside Show with Brian Wheeler, Mike Barrett and Mike Rice. For the full details... check out Beyond The Beat

Also, Casey Holdahl has a ton of stuff from Europe: Nic Batum, Victor Claver, Sergio Rodriguez (?) and more.

And, yes, we have a new logo, insert snarky comment below.

Post-Hedo Fallout

Dwight Jaynes assesses the damage...

Hedo saved the Blazers from themselves. The last two years of this contract would have been brutal for Portland. I'm still not convinced this thing was going to work on the court. Turkoglu and Roy together, each initiating offense? More likely, Turkoglu would have just deferred to him, found a spot on the wing to stand and just thrown up a ton of threes. And missed a lot of them.

- A guy this concerned about the money, once he gets that last, big, final, lucrative deal - does he continue to work hard? Maybe. Probably. But maybe not.

John Canzano figured out that it was about the money and not pizza and water...

Turkoglu's agent, Lon Babby, said in a conference call Saturday that the free agent chose Toronto over Portland because he and his wife, Banu, would prefer to live in the Canadian city, which has more of an international vibe. Toronto is five hours closer to Turkey. The place has lots of Turkish restaurants, baths, an annual Turkish festival and a Facebook page dedicated to the Turkish community.

It's worth pointing out that his wife's luggage wasn't dropped at the hotel. Turkoglu's wife and their daughter didn't make the trip. And I suspect that contemplative stroll up Morrison was Turkoglu's final attempt to make Portland feel like home. But in the end, his five-year, $50 million verbal commitment to the Blazers melted the minute the Raptors offered $3 million more.

Dwight Jaynes writes that the Blazers....

In some ways, they kind of remind me of that old story of the guy wandering through the house of ill repute with his pockets full of money who can't find a date.

Honestly, there's still plenty of time to use that cap space to help facilitate an unbalanced trade for a good player. To make a solid roster addition. But so far, I have to say this is not exactly the way I expected the offseason to go. Kevin Pritchard is going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat or this is going to be one letdown of a summer.

And a setback for the team.

SJ from Rip City Project writes...

This is far from the end of the world people. First off, there is a ton of off-season left. A ton. Granted, by throwing all of our attention towards Hedo and not getting him we've lost out on every other possible good free agent in this class. We're kind of like the guy at a bar that spent all night spitting game to a girl, things look promising and right around 1 AM he goes to the bathroom, comes back and she's gone. The departures of Artest, Turkoglu, Ariza and Jason Kidd have made free agency about as attractive as Lindsay Lohan will be if she makes it to 40. But, since when is free agency the only way you can make a move? And last I checked, isn't this free agent class trash? I'd love Kidd but it's ok to lose out on him since the Knicks and Mavs are determined to overpay. Ariza? Too similar to Batum to want to overpay for that. Plus he's not really a creator and when you have 3 SF's who combined can bring all of what Ariza does to the table, I'm ok with passing on him. As great of a fit as Hedo would have been as another playmaker to take pressure off of Roy and help out Oden, we still have a lot of talent at the 3 position. Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster and Nic Batum..not too shabby if you ask me.    

Scotty B! at BustaBucket.com writes...

What are we doing trying to grab free agents? What's the last significant free agent we've signed? Can anyone please tell me? Portland isn't a place where big name free agents are lured. It's a place that cultivates the fertile Earth and plants a hearty seed, waiting for it to germinate into something tasty. We drafted/planted Bill Walton a while back and everything came to fruition. We drafted/planted Terry, Jerome, Clyde, Cliff and traded for Kevin and Buck (among others) and barely got beat for first prize at the fair by a heartier fruit named Michael. We didn't win, but when it comes down to it, the ride was amazing and Blazermania was in full effect. I have this feeling in my gut that we're at the same place right now.    

What's Next?

First, here's Dave's plan.

There's been a few interesting NBA signings...

And in case you're wondering, Ric Bucher says that the four teams chasing Channing Frye are Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio and Cleveland.

David Aldridge of NBA.com writes...

Now, Portland will have to go in a different direction. The Blazers could, potentially, become players for another multiple-use forward like the Lakers' Lamar Odom, who has been expected to ultimately re-sign in Los Angeles. Or they could try to sign one of several veteran free agent point guards, from Dallas' Jason Kidd -- whom Portland has long coveted -- Philadelphia's Andre Miller or Atlanta's Mike Bibby. Bibby was, according to league sources, close to re-signing with Atlanta on Friday, and Kidd was taking the weekend to decide between three-year offers from the Mavericks and the Knicks, with Dallas in the driver's seat.

However, the Blazers feel that consistent perimeter shooting is a must for whomever they add, which would eliminate all the point guards other than Bibby, and make Odom less of a fit. That was why they quickly zeroed in on Turkoglu, a career 38.5 percent shooter from three-point range who shot almost 39 percent behind the arc in this year's postseason. Almost none of the remaining significant free agents available are great shooters; among the better ones is Denver forward Linas Kleiza -- whom, ironically, Toronto has been working hard on signing.

John Hollinger writes on ESPN Insider...

As for the Blazers, they can go in several directions from here, and can at least take comfort in the fact that they control the free-agent game until they make their next move. Portland might want to go after Sessions, a good young point guard who fills their need for a second quality pick-and-roll player -- albeit at a different position than Turkoglu.

They may also decide to punt on free agency and hope to play the trade market, but that's a risky strategy. If they don't get something done by the trade deadline, the opportunity will basically be gone forever because next year extensions for Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge will kick in, and it's not clear that somebody who fits what they need will become available.

They might also try to make a long-shot run at Lamar Odom, perhaps the best player left on the board and one who, like Turkoglu, could provide another offensive creator while swinging between the two forward spots. But the rainy weather and a location 90 minutes inland don't exactly jibe with Odom's stated preference to live on the beach. The most likely outcome of an Odom pursuit would be driving up the price for the rival Lakers.

Alternatively, the Blazers could try to target a sixth-man shot creator like New York's Nate Robinson, or make a run at Philadelphia's Miller, the latter not a great fit, in my opinion, but a possibility given their need at the point.

Wendell Maxey on David Lee...

New York is still likely to re-sign the 6'9 free-agent forward or match any offer given to him by July 15. Now after the Hedo Turkoglu debacle, Portland is focusing on Lee as reports have indicated, with a possible sign-and-trade (Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake) being one option.

Here's the deal though: don't be alarmed if the Knicks inquire about Rudy Fernandez too in some form or fashion. Mike D'Antoni originally drafted Rudy while in Phoenix and with the brand of ball Mike plays, Fernandez fits his system perfectly. But are the Blazers ready to let Rudy go?

SJ on Rip City Project writes...

Don't get me wrong, I like David Lee. I like him a lot. Two issues. One, how on earth would Portland be able to convince him to come here knowing he will be a backup as long as LMA is around. (And all signs point to LMA being around a long, long time). Secondly, I don't feel comfortable giving a backup $10 million dollars a year. Third, I personnally don't like Lee for $10 million. Just like I'm still lukewarm on Hinrich because of his hefty price-tag. With Pendergraph and Cunningham on board, we should be ‘ok' enough at the backup 4 to not have to throw $10 million dollars at David Lee if you ask me.

Bowers at BustaBucket.com targets David Lee...

To be honest with you I just don't see the value of signing a back-up power forward at that price. I know we have to use the cap space, but at 10 million per season I'm not sure this would be the best chemistry experiment.

Max Handelman from Beyond Bowie writes...

Much has been made on this blog the past few days about the coalescing or calcifying of conventional wisdom regarding Hedo Turkoglu.

Initially, a lot of fans were suspect of Turkoglu. Some remained suspect, but many got on the bandwagon. And by the time that Hedo arrived in Portland to meet with Blazer management and close on his existing verbal commitment, many fans (note: there's been no scientific polling done on this) were fully on the Turkoglu bandwagon.    

...

Cut to today, when Shawn Marion, at just one year older than Hedo Turkoglu and with career averages in scoring, rebounding, steals, block shots, and field goal percentage vastly exceed that of Hedo Turkoglu, is looking at potentially getting cut by the Toronto Raptors to clear salary cap space to sign Turkoglu.

I wonder how Marion feels today facing this reasonably humiliating prospect. It wasn't more than a few seasons ago that Marion was in the thick of the Western Conference contenders on Phoenix, earned a spot on Olympic and World Championship teams, and was considered a nightly matchup nightmare for most teams. Then he (arguably) forced his way off the Suns, got traded to a (then) terrible Miami Heat team that was rebuilding, and then got booted up to Toronto (a perennially terrible team). And so it goes for Marion.

The last time popular opinion got misrepresented like this, 10,000s of people poured into the streets of Tehran. Popular support for the team's management and its decisions should not be misconstrued as support for Hedo.  A solid majority of Blazers fans supported Hedo only after they believed the deal was done and they had no choice in the matter; until that time popular opinion among fans was strongly Anti-Hedo, mainly due to the contract numbers being discussed.  That's called circling the wagons.

KP has enough cred that if he signed Steph Marbury tomorrow a majority of fans would support the decision after it was done. KP gets that trust from many fans because they believe he's earned it. 

Please drop any other links you find in the comments. And be sure to check out the fanshots.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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OK, so what do people think of Rodney Stuckey?

"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy

by Dodoh on Jul 6, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i agree. dumars values him. he has a great contract and a good game.

he’s not the greatest perimeter shooter, but i think about how a blossoming Oden could help a guy like him turn into a better outside shooter. he’s got a nose for getting to the basket. i like him.

"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy

by Dodoh on Jul 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we pull off a lopsided trade with DET ?

Here goes…Stuckey/Prince for Bayless, Outlaw, and Rudy (maybe Claver or a future draft pick). No idea how the contracts match-up, but adding both pieces + a healthy Webster + Oden’s improvement puts us right their with the tops seeds in the west.

by gr8odensravens on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuck

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but I’m just not terribly high on Stuckey (never was, he really is just a combo guard who can’t play pick and roll) and Prince (anymore). Giving up such a package for them would be overspending – while Detroit still might not like to break up their core and Rudy fills no need for them with even rumors about a trade of Hamilton because he is not needed anymore.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you be so low on Stuckey

and so high on Bayless? Bayless and Stuckey play very similar games except Stuckey has more pg skills…

The Bedger formally known as ????????

by Rudiculous on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stuckey is Randy Foye, very hot at times but usually not helping the team. Bayless could be much more.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I just see Bayless in the same mold as both of those guys...

Shooting guards in a point guards body. Its like trying to fit an oval peg into a circular hole. Not a terrible fit, but not really a good one either. Just my opinion though…

The Bedger formally known as ????????

by Rudiculous on Jul 6, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

While I’m all for selling our backups for older players and a chance to win now, I really don’t think that I can get rid of Rudy. Rudy, to me, is a deal breaker. Until he’s in a contract year, and we’re sure we will be unable to resign him, I don’t think we should get rid of him. For anyone.

I dunno, maybe I’m dreaming a bit, but LeBron James is going to be on the market next year, as will Dwayne Wade. Now, Portland isn’t generally known as a huge place for free agents, but not only could we provide a team for them, but we’re also super close to Nike Headquarters, and they would be the face of the Northwest. No longer do we have to compete with the Sonics for Northwest Basketball Supremacy. So, rather than being the face of a city, they could be the face of basketball in 3 states, and the face of Professional Sports in Oregon. I dunno, I just think that if played right, Portland is a very exploitable market. And could be very enticing to a big name free agent.

by Jeremiah S on Jul 6, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing to think about, but

In terms of populations:
OR + WA + ID = 1/2 NYC

Bigger than, say, San Antonio, but the NW isn’t exactly an untapped ocean of people. And believe me, for the folks in Idaho and E. WA, Portland might as well be San Francisco or SLC.

by T$ 225 on Jul 6, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT....

Now everytime I come to BE I’m gonna have that song stuck in my head. The logo does remind of that video though, but I’m left wondering… Does Dave or Ben play the mamba?

by RuQ on Jul 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a fan of the history of space exploration, I totally dig the new logo

don’t know the song tho…. is it one I should?

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jefferson Airplane

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Jul 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you are actually going to look, it’s by Starship, which was Jefferson Starship, which was Jefferson Airplane, for all the oldsters.

“Built This City”

….on ROCK N ROLL!!!!!

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Jul 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a space buff when I was younger. Now I don't even sleep in the buff.

Failure Is Not An Option has been shown on PBS and possibly other channels, maybe on Discovery or The History Channel. If you are a space buff, this is one documentary you must add to your collection. I guarantee you will not regret it.

by MiledAnimal on Jul 6, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red & Black Sputnik?

What’s the thought behind that? The 1950’s quality of the Blazers television broadcasting?

I for one was supporting the idea of Turkoglu coming here for the past month. When it became obvious that the figures were going to make his contract look like a bad deal, I began to balk at the idea.

Maybe the Blazers look to stockpile a talented free agent with an eye towards a mid-season trade?

by TheMadKiwi on Jul 6, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Finding out about the market

I can’t believe Blazer management ever thought of Turk as a long term acquisition. He was being brought in so that they could use Turk to help Oden with his game. After a season of service I’m sure the Blazer’s would have moved him.

Additionally, the Blazer’s found out what price a really good player has, and what affect geography might have on their future negotiations.

by 7677maniac on Jul 6, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I miss the old logo

This new one kinda screams “Look at the 3D graphics I made on my computer”.

by ninjasocks on Jul 6, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

me too

new one references the twitter-fed blogosphere, but it doesn’t say anything about the Blazers

"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy

by Dodoh on Jul 6, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the old logo.

by pxilpooshr on Jul 6, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The old logo is a classic for sure

but it was time for an upgrade…

This one is like 80% great 20% half-zached

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

logo

i didn’t know that blazersedge was a big mothership of blazers talk that overlooks the city and is supported by some extra beams from th fremont bridge

by StocktonNEP on Jul 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think those are antennas ...not support beams

I will offer my support beam, though…I like the logo

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sputnik

It looks exactly like Sputnik.

by ninjasocks on Jul 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Satellite Lounge is still out in Rockwood

dangerously close to Gresham. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, this is the place I'm thinking of:

On Canyon Road a couple of blocks west of Cedar Hills Blvd.

by MiledAnimal on Jul 7, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Looks like Sputnik in Oregon State colors.

Lemon and green would have been better.

I have no recollection of the old one though. Show’s how much I pay attention.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Jul 6, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes, I remember now. Lewis and Clark with a basketball.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Jul 6, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What type of a "character" guy is Marion?

Does he fit in the locker room? Is he a greedy shooter? He is the only free agent left that would really “life” the team very far. All the rest have serious faults or are back-ups. And we certainly don’t need a $10M p/yr back-up.

I continue to think that unless K.P. can pull off an unbalanced trade for a really class player, we are better off saving as much of our cap as possible for the trade deadline.

by kacee on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He left Phoenix to become "The Man"

I wonder if he yet realizes that just isn’t going to happen. On paper he’s a great fit, but it’s potential personality issues that make us skeptical of signing him.

by GMan83201 on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marion

He’s thought to be a rather selfish, egotistical player. He couldn’t get along with Amare in Phoenix. In the past at least, he was not content being less than a 2nd option. He also used to jack-up ill-advised shots.

Also, Marion’s production has dropped significantly since leaving the stat-boosting environment in the desert.

by DC Blazer on Jul 6, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting along with Amar'e? Might be hard to do, as he's

Not one of the most respected team players in the league, at least on the effort scale. One would hope, for Marion, maturity would overcome him at about 30 years old or so. His numbers with Miami and Toronto certaining didn’t reflect a dedicated professional. He’ll likely only have one more chance to go with a contending team; I wonder if a possible ring is more important to him than being the “deva” star.

by kacee on Jul 6, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Marion's agent I would be worried

That the best offer any NBA team is willing to make will be to small for an ego of his stature and be shoping him in Europe.

by southern oregon on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've read 7 Seconds of Less

 It seemed like in general he was more upset with not getting attention and love from the team in the media than the shots. During the season Amare was out, Amare still got more fan votes for the all star game and in things like posters on building around town Amare was still more featured. What was so odd about Marion is the he’d bust his butt hustling on defense and rebounding and didn’t care as much about being involved in the offense as much as just being acknowledged. He was there before Nash and saw himself as the franchise, but they treated him like a role player in his eyes. I don’t think it affected them on the court that much, they just had an uncomfortable locker room. That’s why when Shaq came they kept talking about his personality as the most important thing.

by terryisntbald on Jul 6, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marion's play:

He certainly was second fiddle in Miami (Wade) and Toronto (Bosh). Usually a defensive/rebounder type player has to work so hard to be good, they are considered much more of a “team player” than the guy who just shoots to get his 15-20 pts. p/night. I wonder what his teammates at his last 2 stops thought of him?

Here’s a thought: maybe he’s offended Toronto is giving him up so easily for Turk? Or perhaps he let them know from the beginning he didn’t want to stay? What teams are looking at him?

by kacee on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SJ on RipCityProject's comment about not liking Hinrich's salary

and likening it to Lee’s salary bothers me. First off, Hinrich has a declining salary over the next 3 years, with $8M coming in his final year (when he’s 32). This is not unreasonable at all. Secondly, this is a terrible comparison seeing as how Hinrich would be a 30-35 minute starter (depending on Bayless’ development), where as Lee would be hardpressed to find that amount of time on our roster (without the departure of Przy).

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You guys

at Blazersedge have broken most of the rules known to mankind with the new log design.

   1. Do not use more than three colors.
   2. Get rid of everything that is not absolutely necessary.
   3. Type must be easy enough for your grandma to read.
   4. The logo must be recognizable.
   5. Create a unique shape or layout for the logo.
   6. Completely ignore what your parents and/or spouse think about the design.
   7. Confirm that the logo looks appealing to more than just three (3) individuals.
   8. Do not combine elements from popular logos and claim it as original work.
   9. Do not use clipart under any circumstances.
  10. The logo should look good in black and white.
  11. Make sure that the logo is recognizable when inverted.
  12. Make sure that the logo is recognizable when resized.
  13. If the logo contains an icon or symbol, as well as text, place each so that they complement one another.
  14. Avoid recent logo design trends. Instead, make the logo look timeless.
  15. Do not use special effects (including, but not limited to: gradients, drop shadows, reflections, and light bursts).
  16. Fit the logo into a square layout if possible, avoid obscure layouts.
  17. Avoid intricate details.
  18. Consider the different places and ways that the logo will be presented.
  19. Invoke feelings of being bold and confident, never dull and weak.
  20. Realize that you will not create a perfect logo.
  21. Use sharp lines for sharp businesses, smooth lines for smooth businesses.
  22. The logo must have some connection to what it is representing.
  23. A photo does not make a logo.
  24. You must surprise customers with presentation.
  25. Do not use more than two fonts.
  26. Each element of the logo needs to be aligned. Left, center, right, top, or bottom.
  27. The logo should look solid, with no trailing elements.
  28. Know who is going to be looking at the logo before you think of ideas for it.
  29. Always choose function over innovation.
  30. If the brand name is memorable, the brand name should be the logo.
  31. The logo should be recognizable when mirrored.
  32. Even large companies need small logos.
  33. Everyone should like the logo design, not just the business that will use it.
  34. Create variations. The more variations, the more likely you are to get it right.
  35. The logo must look consistent across multiple platforms.
  36. The logo must be easy to describe.
  37. Do not use taglines in the logo.
  38. Sketch out ideas using paper and pencil before working on a computer.
  39. Keep the design simple.
  40. Do not use any "swoosh" or "globe"symbols.
  41. The logo should not be distracting.
  42. It should be honest in its representation.
  43. The logo should be balanced visually.
  44. Avoid bright, neon colors and dark, dull colors.
  45. The logo must not break any of the above rules.

by Balian on Jul 6, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

My main problem with it

Is the entire visual emphasis is on the trademark symbol.
This was not done by a professional designer.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Their are tons of problems.

by Balian on Jul 6, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? i thought it was perfect

by Ben. on Jul 6, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're Funny Ben

 20. Realize that you will not create a perfect logo.

by Balian on Jul 6, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the old logo, but I like the new one better.

It makes me think of the old Satellite Motel in Beaverton and that 1962 hit song, Telstar.

by MiledAnimal on Jul 6, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a wonderful song

Who will remake this song? Perhaps the Transcendental Brass Band could do a good job of it. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 7, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another one from that era I really like

is Del Shannon’s Runaway. The Musitron in the bridge of that song always reminds me
of Telstar.

by MiledAnimal on Jul 7, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what they call that?

a Musitron? Cool!!

What’s the keyboard that Lennon plays on Baby You’re a Rich Man? It’s right at the start of the song, before the vocal. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 8, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm glad you at least finally got a favicon

but that logo is terrible. sorry. TERRIBLE

if anyone here made it dont feel bad its a good FIRST try

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess no one noticed...

It’s not a sputnik, it’s a basketball!

by gooddebate on Jul 6, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the old one better too

It wasn’t good, but much better than this one

by Falcao on Jul 6, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I have to change the first line of song "Living On The Blazer's Edge"

from

“The Pioneer points west to destiny beyond the trails blazed…”

to something like,

“Satellite Basketball beams the blogospere beyond the trails blazed…?”

by balladofgregoden on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Lewis and Clark WERE trail blazers

I have no idea what this creepy War-of-the-Worlds image has to do with “trail blazers” or the Pacific Northwest. The Portland skyline is okay. Mt. Hood would be better. Save the space theme for Houston. It’s a very special piece of Earth that Portland has going for it.

by VTDuck on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's great stuff. Man it should be green.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Jul 6, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

turk

Now that we lost Turk, the window of opportunity to overpay for an overhyped player is closing.

If we can’t acquire a free agent at an inflated price, how can we burn up that cap space?

But look at the bright side, we may still be able to overpay for a player in a lopsided trade.

by lsjogren on Jul 6, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the only way now to eat up that cap space

(aside from signing a FA) is to do a lopsided trade

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Its practically the only option right now. KP can also ask Roy and Aldridge to wait for extensions until sometime after the trading deadline. It will give KP more flexibility.

by Balian on Jul 6, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely:

And that lopsided trade can take place any time between now and the Feb. trade deadline. Perhaps we can “harvest” a really classy player from a lottery bound team.

by kacee on Jul 6, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never touch a running logo erm system

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mills is coming to Portland today. Does that indicate he gets signed to a contract on Wednesday?

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was Miles?

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know

Norskie posted this elsewhere with a typo (Miles instead of Mills)

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops I misread it dang!!

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always laugh at him

It’s an effective policy. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 7, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost none of the remaining significant free agents available are great shooters; among the better ones is Denver forward Linas Kleiza

Here’s a name that nobody around here has been talking about, but maybe we should?

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned it a couple of days ago

But and not sure how good he is ….athough I remember him being a bit of a Blazer Killa

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so hot

According to Basketball-Reference, he has a 6% ORB and 14.5% DRB.

by ninjasocks on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Kleiza

He could play some backup 4 I think. He’s a good 3-point shooter. I’d rather have a point guard somehow, someway – I’d like to see Batum, Outlaw, and Webster sort things out for themselves. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 7, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the right track...

I don’t know if he is the answer, but adding a player of his caliber and skill set seems like such a better idea than trying to add a semi-star caliber player to this roster.

Last year’s team was playing so well at the end of the year and came very close to making it out of the first round of the playoffs. Being such a young team, don’t you think they would be even better next year with no changes whatsoever?

If I were in charge, I would take the whole Hedo thing as a sign and go get a couple of unexceptional veterans who can add a little leadership for a year or two and then move on or retire. Tyronn Lue and Antonio McDyess would be my targets….thoughts?

by HappyTrails on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for McDyess...

I think he’d be happy to play for a contender again

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad he has that effect on your dirty mind.

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 7, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Open 3 shooter extraordinaire

Spazzy hustle guy with decent rebounding for a soft-serve-Euro.
Good add, but not for much money.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 6, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Seems like a similar player to (reported Blazer “targets”) Lee and Hansbrough but with the permiter shot that the Blazers prefer (according to Aldridge) and at a much-lower price tag

He was drafted by KP and dealt to Denver for Jack. Signing him away from the Nuggets would weaken a division rival

Lots of positives, any negatives?

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a big enough splash?

Leading to everyone here on BE committing Hari-Kari on cue?

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 6, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who made the new logo??

Perhaps if we knew, we would then love it, using the same logic as KP’s decision to sign Hedo.

“The new logo sucks.”

“Dave did it.”

“It’s awesome!!”

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Jul 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Naw, it wasn't me

I have about as much artistic ability as Joel Przybilla has three-point shooting range. Although to be fair even Joel would hit once in a while. In general people are going to say any change sucks at first. Then you get used to it and when things change again you say the new change sucks. Human nature.

“Logo” isn’t really the right word for it either. That’s what I call it too because it’s convenient, but this isn’t supposed to be like a business logo. It’s a picture. I kind of liked the idea of BE beaming knowledge across the globe and making Portland more prominent in the blogosphere so when the artist came up with it, we went with it.

It’s different than the old one. It’s a little more blended with the site motif. If people want to be mean-spirited about it, eh. I don’t get it. I’ve always found life (and community) more fun when I look at the best side of things.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 6, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should have a contest!

To get a new design on that top left corner.

by jmark on Jul 6, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Like the one that produced the dead tree plate? ;-)

You know the license plate with the tree in the middle. Oh, wait, they painted it green (after the contest).

by gooddebate on Jul 6, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There were some people who didn't like the new site format either.

And some who just went crazy when it went online.

I like the old one better, because when I thought Blazers’ Edge, I thought of that picture. Now I have a new picture to get used to as well as a Blazersedge™.

μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.

Blazersedge.com || New to Blazers' Edge?

by T Darkstar on Jul 6, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hated the "new" SBN format compared to the old BlazersEdge.

Now I can’t remember what the old format even looked like or why I liked it better. Anybody got a screen shot of the old stuff just for nostalgia?

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

truth can hurt

Logo is lame, but nobody really looks at the logo. But the fact people felt passionate about it shows that people have bonded with this site and actually take some identity from it. So if the logo is lame, they feel it differently. The previous logo was better because it was campy and spoke to the region. This logo seems to speak more to the House Rockets, but in the end it’s all about the posts.

by Sonic Boom on Jul 6, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with that logo

but it gives the graphic designers something to hate on. It is indeed all about the content on the site.

by hellsfrozenover on Jul 6, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hollinger with an interesting take on free agency (Insider). If KP is still willing to spend, he might be able to get a steal now.

1. Rumors of tightening wallets around the league have been greatly exaggerated.
2. Contending teams in particular are locked in a massive arms race.
3. Despite all of this, restricted free agents still can’t get squat.
Which takes us to trend No. 3. Because as much as teams are spending in pursuit of unrestricted free agents, it stands in sharp contrast to those of the restricted free agents on the market. Gortat struck a deal for an offer sheet from Dallas, but desirable commodities like Lee, Paul Millsap, Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, Ramon Sessions and Nate Robinson have barely gotten a sniff.

Moreover, the market for those players to get anything above the midlevel exception is basically gone. Unless they can persuade one of the above teams to join in the bidding, somebody like Lee or Millsap could end up settling for the midlevel exception or playing on a one-year deal for a scandalously low qualifying offer — $1.03 million for Millsap, $2.68 million for Lee.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the only issue with Millsap or Lee taking a 1 year qualifying offer

is that they would never take it with Portland.

If you’re taking a one year deal, your’e going to take it where you can get as much playing time as humanly possible. I would bet my 401k that they wouldn’t do something like this in Portland, simply for the fact that they’re still looking for the big contract, and they’re less likely to get one with backup minutes – and by translation – backup stats.

But then again, my 401k looks like a piece of crap (thanks a lot recession), so that isn’t saying too much.

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they can’t take the qualifying offer in Portland. QO is only for the team that they are currently with.

by Cablinasian on Jul 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood.

I think this line of reasoning also applies to players who would take the MLE on a 1 or 2 year deal (presumably waiting until teams open their wallets for the 2010 Free-Agent-Athon). They’re still looking to fill the stat sheet… something they’re unlikely to do in a slow paced offense as a backup.

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, has the blog name now shifted from Blazers Edge to Blazersedge?

by Cablinasian on Jul 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah how can it be BEdge then?
its TWO words.. sheesh.. going and making radical changes.. you guys are the anti-KP

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sedges have edges...

…unlike grasses. I’m not familiar with blazer sedge, but I’ll keep an eye out.

by VTDuck on Jul 6, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

@Patty_Mills: Portland here we come. Touching down at 2
@dwightjaynes: Jay Jensen is on the way to the airport with a “Hey, Mate” sign

by Ben. on Jul 6, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It will be just like that limousine scene in Crocodile Dundee 2

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Patty pull an 18" hunting knife on some muggers

but I think that’s the kind of image we’re trying to get away from here in Portland.

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"That's not a Knife....this is a knife!!"

“Hey man ….that’s a spoon!

“Ah….I see you’ve played Knifey-Spoony before”

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Bibby?

I don’t understand why there’s no talk about Bibby. What am I missing?

No to Hedo

by DJRazorburn on Jul 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That he is just an expensive Blake

Almost the same assist percentage, assisted shot percentage, and defensive liability. People accuse Hinrich of just being Blake 2.0, but Bibby really is.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stole the words from my mouth.

At least Hinrich is a significant upgrade defensively. Not to mention, Bibby is 31.

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee makes more sense that Hedo did

so long as he is willing to accept a reserve role, i’d take him. I dunno about you all, but I LOVE the new logo by a factor of 3 over the old logo. Lewis and Clark just don’t do it for me.

OLP is the best thing Canada has given the world outside of maple syrup

by SuperDave on Jul 6, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe....

But to be 100% honest I never made that connection (clever connection I might add) until you just said it. Other than the gobot that changed from a spaceship to a robot, and NBA basketball, and the Chevy SUV, I haven’t used trailblazer much in my vernacular. I am fairly superdave-centric when I observe things though, so it’s entirely possible I’m being narrow. Perhaps the good old Oregon Trail video game for the Apple IIc made a more lasting impact than I am aware?

OLP is the best thing Canada has given the world outside of maple syrup

by SuperDave on Jul 6, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That game rocked! I wish they would remake that,,, AND...

Chuck Norris carried the wagon on his back all the way to Oregon when his wheel broke. He always gets to Oregon before you do.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a new logo?

Where may I view it?

No to Hedo

by DJRazorburn on Jul 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Upper Left of this page

"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner

by 92wastheyear on Jul 6, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

j/k

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about Marbury

I love Ben’s point at the end that we could sign Marbury and most fans would support it. When it looked like we were going to sign Hedo, I thought it was a horrible idea but my friend was drinking the kool aid. Eventually I realized every logical reason I gave wasn’t working and he wasn’t even considering the facts (it was like talking to a Fox News or MSNBC anchor) so I said “KP could sign anyone to a max contract and you’d think it was a good deal, right?” After a long pause he said “Not Isiah Thomas.” I didn’t know if it’d be worse to sign him as a player who hasn’t played in years or a executive, but either way it demonstrates how some people won’t question anything.

Let’s all be sure to thank Bryan Colangelo, Hedo’s wife, Darius Miles and that magical bullet that curved and we somehow dodged.

by terryisntbald on Jul 6, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was just climbing on when it lurched and I was thrown through the windshield. I’m still confused and my head hurts.

Never climb on a bandwagon in motion…

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Jul 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully the Bulls sign Jannero Pargo.

That will keep the Hinrich dream alive!

by Arby on Jul 6, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

like as11osu and norsktroll mentioned in the other post, I think a deal for Hinrich is already in place and that is why Chi is pursuing Pargo

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to self-promote, but I said this last week.

by Cablinasian on Jul 6, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a winner is you

OLP is the best thing Canada has given the world outside of maple syrup

by SuperDave on Jul 6, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but cab, you are Hinrich’s best friend. I always assume you think we are going to get him.
and yes you reported it first

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but because I want it to happen, it won’t happen. This is the way my world works.

by Cablinasian on Jul 6, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

then start rooting for Andre Miller cuz i IREALLY dont want that to happen

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is on Orlando's summer league roster

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, no that was his brother.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah the kid from Gonzaga

Jannero has been in Europe

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/courtside-tonight-streams-live.html

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

id love it if you tell me this kind of stuff like pre advance

cuz seems like u know everything and im spending way to much time refreshing bedge and need somethng blazer related like this

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 6, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate Rob

Could be interesting…

Not like the Utah Jazz... it's about REAL jazz. Go Dawgs, Go Blazers!

by jazzaholic17 on Jul 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I fear

that if we offer Lee a big contract he will take it because there aren’t any other suitors, then he’s going to secretly hope that the Knicks match. If they don’t he will come to Portland and say all the right things but he’s not going to be happy with a role as a backup and will demand a trade after one season.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 6, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there any difference between

extending Roy and Aldridge this summer, and waiting until the trading deadline? Seems like more teams are going to be desperate to dump salary this winter, and if we still had room to move then, maybe there would be better options. Can anybody explain the summer ’09 scenario vs. winter ’10 scenario?

by Kaboomm on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct me if I'm wrong...

…but don’t Aldridge and Roy have to be extended before the trade deadline (October isn’t it?) otherwise the’ll become restricted free agents at the end of the 09-10 season if Portland makes them a qualifying offer? Same issue that Frye was in this past season – if we picked up his option he would have been a restricted free agent.

If I’m wrong and Portland can sign them to a new contract at any point this season, then there really isn’t anything to gain by not signing them (LA and Roy) until after the trade deadline.

by Jimbob91577 on Jul 6, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

L.A.

stated earlier he wanted to re-up this summer before the season, and thats a good thing.. in theory.. it does count against the cap though

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on Ben.

Your last words, following Max’s quote, were probably the most clearheaded statements coming out of this thing. We feel that KP can be trusted.

Generally we were against Hedo and we might be against whatever does happen. But once it does happen we will generally all be united for it (except for those few holding out for an ‘I-told-you-so’).

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 6, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be happy if our roster looked like this come February...

Bayless/Blake
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Martell/Rudy
Aldridge/Pendergraph
Oden/Przybilla

…and spare parts. Boring to do nothing I know, but a great team to watch.

If all our players develop then I think we’re already better off than anything we might pick up in free agency. If either Bayless, Martell, or Oden aren’t working out we could use Travis and the cash we save this FA period to try fix any problems before the trade deadline. I think there will be better deals through trades with teams trying to dump salary prior to FA2010.

BTW, contrary to above, I’d read that extensions for Roy and Aldridge wouldn’t take up our cap until after next season. If that’s not the case then it obviously throws a wrinkle and we should move now. Is there anything definitive on that?

by JStal on Jul 6, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

I can think of one person who might harm KP if he doesn’t do something.

by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant Hill?

Just throwing out ideas…

If the Blazers are so hellbent on signing an experienced SF with playmaking abilities, I wonder about Grant Hill. They could probably get him for no more than 2-3 years at a pretty low salary, and he’s been reasonably healthy for the past several years. They could do worse for a tutor for Martell and Nic.

by iCollective on Jul 6, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been waiting for a week to see if anyone would mention Hill

Apparently he has a thing for the Celtics (he and Rivers both live in Orlando), but the concept is sound. An aging veteran that could help a youngster develop is the right kind of FA pickup.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 6, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know I threw this idea out at the trade deadline

and it was met with lukewarm response, so dont expect a bandwagon to form

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked this idea at that point

I guess we were a tiny little mini-bandwagon. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 7, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah well there werent many of us

just warning iCollective of the crickets he is gonna hear

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rosturbation

is healthy, too. Contrary to what our parents told us.

The Blazers are unlikely to upgrade:

1) Shooting Guard (der….)
2) Starting Power Foward (double der….)
3) Starting Center (etc….)
4) Backup Small Foward
5) Backup Point Guard (in a roundabout manner)

Roy + Rudy are as good as it gets from a playmaking perspective at SG. No one else on the team provides the dynamics these two bring. Roy’s abilities are primarily manifested in the half-court sets, while Rudy is more dynamic in the open court. I just see these two as exceptionally complimentary, given that Roy has so much flexibility (PG, SG, SF). Webster does have some SG in him as well, making this position the strength of the team.

Very few players offer either an immediate or projected upgrade over LMA at PF. It’s just a fact. Nitpick his faults all you want, but his overall contributions are matched by few others, and by none with his current upside.

Center. Potential is wonderful. We are making a reasonable projection when we say that this position will outperform its opponents this coming season (it was basically a wash last season, with a very raw Oden).

Small forward and point guard are the two positions that would be relatively straightfoward to upgrade the starters. Blake is a neutral player, and would make a great backup. Bayless hasn’t shown enough to count on him for a starter’s contributions, but that isn’t to say it’s impossible.

Batum really should be a bench player, for another season or two. For all his prodigious skills, he is freaking 20 years old, for pete’s sake. I have faith that Webster is the perfect complement to the big three. He has no faults from a talent perspective, other than maybe he isn’t a Turkoglu from a playmaking perspective. Just get healthy, damnit, and make the second guessing go away.

Webster still makes the SF a position of strength, when combined with Batum and Outlaw.

All this said, roster manipulation is still a necessary fact. As hopeful as I am that Webster represents an upgrade at SF, or that Bayless can be a dynamic scorer in transition, or that Pendergraph can be everything Frye couldn’t…. it just isn’t that difficult to upgrade backup PF, starting PG, or starting SF. Therefore, every attempt should be made to do just that. If you can justify massive upgrades, then you can consider dealing from a position of strength (Rudy/Prz). However, my preference would be just to see some roster balancing by picking up a free agent or executing a trade with a player that is better off somewhere else (Outlaw!)

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 6, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost off topic:

I like Casey Holdal a lot but he is a terrible interviewer. Relax Casey and you will put the interviewee more at ease. Lean back and let it flow.

Gotta hand it to Batum. He handled that tight situation very well.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Jul 6, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why aren't we hearing more about Josh Childress?

He’s young, he can shoot it from deep, he’s healthy, he has experience, and he can likely be had for the MLE. If we could sign him, the pressure would be off Martell in terms of his injuries and we wouldn’t have these question marks at the 3.

Because that’s what this is all about, right? If the Blazers had any real faith in his rehab, we would not be looking for turnover at SF.

Bringing in Childress would solidify things at the 3 which would give us the latitude to potentially move Outlaw in a sign and trade. Though again…this feels like movement for movement’s sake.

"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009

by rivetz on Jul 6, 2009 9:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Courtside recorded

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1765659

My stream is a bit too slow for it to go through everything, so I don’t know yet what they talked about

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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