The Acquire Lamar Odom Discussion
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 5, 2009 9:08 PM PDT
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This post is to hopefully consolidate discussion (pro or con) about making a play for unrestricted free agent Lamar Odom. I've made several comments the last few days in favor of going after Odom so I'll summarize those comments here.
We can't waste this opportunity to improve
This is our last chance for probably a decade to make a substantial move to upgrade the team without giving up a key player in return. After the Feb trading deadline we won’t have cap space again for many, many years. If it should ultimately turn out that we only acquired a good future tradable asset, at least we will have that option in the bank to use down the road somewhere. This is truly a case of use it, or lose it.
I believe we should go for a free agent right now. If KP knew there was a great lopsided trade available using our cap space this summer he wouldn’t have pursued Turk, so I doubt there’s much opportunity for that to happen. The chance of finding a great lopsided trade during the season before the Feb trading deadline (if we do nothing this summer) is even less likely. After that the cap space is gone.
It seems odd to some people that KP wanted Turk, a small forward (who importantly could also play backup PF). I suspect KP already has a deal for Travis Outlaw lined up (or at the very least has finally given up on him) but needs to use the cap space first. If we had acquired Turk, Outlaw obviously had to go, so KP has already moved past that decision. After 6 years we have seen everything that Travis has and it obviously isn’t enough to be a starter. I also don’t like Travis as a backup for a championship contender (poor defense, poor rebounding for his size, poor passer that often ignores an open 3-pt shooter, better as an undersized, non-banging PF than as SF – which is not what we need).
Batum will hopefully be very good in a couple of years, but he needs to be a backup now as he develops. We must also discount Martell entirely until it is proven that he can come back sometime next year (he still hasn’t been cleared to run and jump on his foot – which is a very bad sign).
So we need a starting SF that can score, pass, play defense, rebound, and provide a bit of toughness.
Lamar Odom can do all of that if Nate can keep him motivated, and like Turk he can fill the backup PF spot behind LMA (probably even better than Turk).
It would be difficult to pry him away from LA, but we might be able to offer more money than LA is willing to offer. Odom made $14.1M last year according to StoryTeller's website. About $2.5M was from bonuses and a trade kicker, so his actual yearly salary was about $11.6M. LA has Bird Rights, so even though they are over the cap they can still offer more than the $10M per year we can offer. But apparently they have only offered about $8M over 3-years. So if we offer $10M over 5-years and LA chooses not to match Odom would be looking at a reduction from $14.1M to either $8M (Lakers) or $10M (Portland). Plus he gets 5-years guaranteed with us instead of only 3 years. In that case Odom might take our offer. LA would probably match but it’s worth a try.
We don't have to be used or tied up for a week trying to make this deal. I’d give him a 24 hour take it or leave it offer and see what happens. Who knows, maybe he doesn’t like the idea of Artest coming to town or he’s tired of coming off the bench.
Odom would be a big upgrade over Outlaw, and fill the backup PF spot we also need. He would also give us some toughness that Turk wouldn't have. This would be a substantial upgrade for the Blazers and significantly hurt LA.
Make the 24-hour offer KP.
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We can't offer Odom more then the Lakers would match but we should offer
At worst they match cost them acouple extra million or Odom takes less money to play with Lakers. OR outside shot we get Odom who would fit in great if he doesn’t mind playing in Portland.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 5, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, as I said, they can offer more than us but maybe they won't.
I’ve seen estimates that they would be over $90M in salary next year. It may be a long shot, but what’s to lose?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 5, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers current offer is reportedly 3 years, 24 million.
We could offer him 5 years 50 million. If he signs for only three years, there’s no way he comes close to signing for anywhere near that kind of money on his next contract.
In any case, even if LA more than doubles their offer to match us; LA is serious competition, we want to stick it to them, anyway. 26 million less dollars for Mr Buss (and less flexibility for the team) is a good thing for us.
by wepto on Jul 5, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "O's Garden" ....featuring O-den and O-dom
Odom is to L*kers what Buck Williams was to the Blazers. He should easily be worth $50 mill to them, and to us with an attitude that elevates everyone around him. A street tough defender/rebounder, plus vision and touch. With Odom a blazer then we can deal Outlaw. If David Lee a blazer we have to keep Outaw at SF not knowing Websters condition.
Please anyone, is it possible to offer more than $10 mill/yr?
by renaissant on Jul 6, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O's Garden
Also wanted to say: Get Odom, keep Blake, give Roy and Rudy the ball, distribute to Oden/Aldridge first, shooters second.
That with offensive veteran presence at SF like Odom, or Turkoglu, then Blake becomes the best PG available to us since unlike all other possible guards we would go after require more ball possession, and, with rare exception (Nash; is 35 too old?, Bibby; his numbers are dropping) do not shoot the three as efficiently as Blake (42%, wow!).
Also, with Oden staying on the court more this season (a must) can Przy have the backup PF minutes and provide the “banger” mentality at that position that we all seem to agree is a priority?
by renaissant on Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won’t have 10 million in cap space this year, but we can offer an 8% raise every year after this one. So the total contract comes out to around 50 million.
by wepto on Jul 7, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Lamar and LaMarcus
Rice would likely be foaming at the mouth trying to keep it all straight.
by upper left corner on Jul 7, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get ready to hear a lot of "Lamarcus Odun" if this happens
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by RDreamer on Jul 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom deliberately shoved Roy into the stats table.
What does Roy have to say about Odom? Roy does’nt seem a hater in any sense??
by renaissant on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes!
but it can’t drag on!
entering the window of opportunity!
by 77again on Jul 5, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lamar Odom would be a great acquisition
It would still feel weird with him coming straight from the L*kers and all but if we are able to pry him away I’m all for it! Plus the hilarity of Mike Rice trying to differentiate between Odom and Oden would make it that much better!
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by The Roybot on Jul 5, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate Odom...
and I don’t want to stop hating him… which I would have to do if he were a Blazers. So I don’t know… Its a lot to give up.
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by In Walks Rudy on Jul 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
don't deal with the lakers. period.
thank you for spelling Odom’s name right though!
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by chrischa on Jul 5, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn't be dealing with the L*ker's, though.
Odem is a free agont. (sic)
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by GonzoFan on Jul 6, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher
Bucher seems to think we’re interested…
http://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/2489196139
Was this posted elsewhere?
by kennetha on Jul 5, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome news
i’m going to sound like broken record here, but the Lakers would be foolish not to sign him. Since they are over the cap, they would have to get tricky to replace him or their front line would be quite thin… which makes me think they will match the Blazers offer.
But, maybe the Lakers management will get complacent and they’ll fool themselves into thinking that they are so talented that they can win without Odom .
by PoliSam on Jul 5, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree that we should throw all available money at him
In all likelihood, either Odom would say no or the Lakers would match, but its worth a try anyway. He’s a solid fit and the best available talent on the market.
by jksnake99 on Jul 5, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Portland bluffs to raise the price up for Odom, What happens if the Lakers don’t match the offer and Odom ends up saying yes to Portland’s offer?
by shoothoop on Jul 5, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we have signed the best FA on the market and made our team a lot better
Odom is a much better player than Hedo, and is a bit younger also. I’m not suggesting we bluff. I’m suggesting we try to sign him (understanding that its a longshot but going for it anyway).
by jksnake99 on Jul 5, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% Agree. There's no downside to offering him a good deal.
Either the Lakers keep him and are forced to pay even more than they would, or Portland gets an experienced veteran with a still very high skill level. I hope KP is considering it.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
Odom would be a best case scenario, including the Turk. Odom would be an extremely valuable piece of the puzzle, as a versatile, good passing, strong rebounding, decent shooting PF. And the signing would also substantially weaken the Blazers biggest rival over the next 4-5 years in the West.
At the very least, it would make things painful for LA. It’s a win-win. He’s much more likely to be worth the money than Hedo. He’s 3 times more versatile and valuable than Lee.
Not sure he would sign, of course, but the Blazers have to go for it.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 6, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I was thinking along these same lines all day. Like most of us I have serious misgivings about Lamar that I didn’t have about Turkoglu, but all of that is water under the bridge now.
Unless KP has a magnificent lopsided trade in the works, Lamar is the BPA on the FA market at this time at the SF position and the only point-forward remaining. The fact that he can play PF and is an NBA champion only ices it for me. In fact I am having a hard time thinking of another player in the NBA besides Lebron that even has the same skill set of Lamar Odom. And there certainly aren’t any that are FA’s this summer.
My biggest concern is how will he impact the attitudes of the young guys on our roster and is 5 years too much? We have to provide more security than LA but does it have to be for 5 years? I wonder if 4 years, $42M would do the trick, with a one year team option, or something to that effect.
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by broggerboy19 on Jul 5, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Everyone please rec this post I think it’s important that we discuss this option and I’d like to hear some cogent counter-arguments. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Blazers front office hasn’t been thinking along these same exact lines the moment Turk left town.
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by broggerboy19 on Jul 5, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LO came into the league as a SF, but he is a PF now...
LAL is said to be offering him $24-25M/3 yrs. and there is no way that Portland can come up with enough cash to offset his self-proclaimed desire to “live on the beach.”
During his career, Lamar has played for:
1. Los Angeles (Clippers)
2. Miami Heat
3. Los Angeles (Lakers)
What do those three teams have in common?
Hint: It is not the rain.
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by timbo on Jul 5, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree and said it's a long shot, but only because I think LA would match our $50M offer.
I know LO loves the beach, but if LA stubbornly stuck with only a $25M offer, LO could buy a lot of sand and heat lamps for another $25M.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 5, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The actual comparison is $30M/3 vs. $25M/3 — and LAL would definitely pony up the extra cash if they had to to match...
Think like LAL for a minute… They were not a deep team this year, Mark Jackson’s blather to the contrary, they were a team with a very good, very tight rotation of about 7 or 8 guys. LO was ESSENTIAL, as LO did, the Lakers did.
They have no young stud PFs coming up. They had no first rounder this year and a very late 2nd Round pick that was used on the Not Ready for Primetime Junior Elehu. I probably spelled that name long but it doesn’t matter, because you won’t see him in an NBA game this year or maybe ever…
Lakers have already used their MLE to get Artest. Their PG situation, while not quite dire, is very troubled, with Fisher long in the tooth, Farmar erratic, and Brown still not signed.
They are WAAAAAAAY over the cap, into Luxury Tax Land… If LO goes, they can NOT go out at get another Free Agent (unless they can con someone into the Biannual Exemption (about $2.5M, I think) or the Veterans’ Minimum (a little over $1M, I think).
So they MUST retain Lamar Odom — or else face the year playing Josh Powell as a starter and god-knows as the backup…
Lakers will match anything and everything the Blazers can possibly throw at LO if they have to. They’ve make a decent offer to LO and he’ll take it without shopping, I think. He likes LA and the Lakers and wants to stay.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add — Lakers also have no good trade bait, unless some moron team wants Walton, Machine, or Morrison at $5M each...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
**ADDENDA** Sounds like LAL has come to terms with Shannon Brown and that they might be having to use the Biannual Exemption on him...
I haven’t researched the question, but that’s what it sounds like…
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by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems correct. So now it's even more likely that LAL is all in to retain Lamar...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
incorrect
they signed shannon to a two year deal for 2 mil a season give or take. They can resign lamar for any amount they want, but if lamar walks they have only the 2 year 1.99mil exception to spend
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers used their biannual on Shannon
by shoothoop on Jul 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as he is their own player, they do not need to use the BAE, and his salary exceeds this year seasons BAE amounts. He is getting paid 4.2 Mil whereas the BAE is at 1.99/yr..
so I dont think thats what he signed for. They were discussing today who they could get if they didnt get lamar since all they have is the BAE.. Ron Ron used up their MLE
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did not have matching rights to Brown and had to use the BAE, to the best of my knowledge.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 7, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see my link below.
LA times doesnt think so.. I dont know if they are mistaken (quick-esque if you will) but I am basing what I know on their article and what was discussed on the radio here
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 8, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers were only allowed to sign Shannon to either the vets minimum or the biannual which would mean they had to have used the biannual on him. They didn’t have his bird rights at all
by shoothoop on Jul 7, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link?
since the one I referenced from the LA times disagrees with what you are saying..
not saying your wrong, im just going by what i read
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They offered him the biannual. He was picked up as a free agent by the Bobcats because he was waived by his team before Charlotte picked him up. Therefore Bobcats didn’t have his bird rights or even his early bird rights.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13174
The most that the Lakers can sign Brown for without using a portion of their MLE or their Bi-Annual Exception ($1.99 million) would be $837k.
and confirmation that they did sign him to the bae released today
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/07/artest-brown-sign-with-lakers.html
Brown signed the two-year “bi-annual exception” for $4.2 million, with a player option for the second year. He’ll earn $1.9 million in the first year of the contract.
by shoothoop on Jul 8, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they match an offer,
which it doesnt sound like they want to do, Lamar will walk. People here are split on whether they want him back or not, but he has stood firm on his 10mil offer..
i would say the odds of him coming back are maybe 75-25, only because there are so few teams with money. But if one of them offers 10mil a year.. i think he’s gone
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“or else face the year playing Josh Powell as a starter and god-knows as the backup…”
Why would Josh Powell start? Lamar Odom didn’t even start. Pau is PF, and Crazy Pills will be starting SF.
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by pslakerfan on Jul 7, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way! LO was LA's primary PF for long stretches in their playoff run this year, due to the constant fouling by Bynum. That's one reason he's so valuable, a true swingman and a point forward.
by dario argento on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LO is at home in the SF position, not the PF
Odom only played at the PF because he had too. He used to start at the SF until Ariza too his place. If ’billa and Oden both had foul trouble, LMA would be the center and Trout would be playing PF.
by ninjasocks on Jul 6, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LO is a far more dangerous PF than Travis Outlaw.
He is a better defender, rebounder and passer. From where I was sitting, the Lakers were a better team with him at the 4 and Gasol at the 5 for significant stretches in the playoffs, if not the majority of the time. That could be because Bynum is a sissy and a bust, however.
by Benjamanic on Jul 6, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LO is now a PF, not a SF. I can't recall any time this year when LAL used the front line of Drew + Pau + LO...
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by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They used it in the playoffs.
Commentators were saying that Busty Bynum’s soft play was advantageous because yanking him put Odom back at the 4, where he was more effective. He can do either, though his quickness may be a bit suspect at the 3.
by Benjamanic on Jul 7, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The beach is worth $25 mil to him?
If LA is offering 3 years 25 mil, the Blazers should drop an a-bomb on the negotiations by offering 5 years and 50 mil, just like they were going to give Turk. Odom is more worth it than Hedo was.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you forgot to mention
that Lamar has never SIGNED with those teams as a FA. He has always been traded.
And yeah he might not like the rain much, but he prolly likes Kobe even less
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He shows every sign of being happy with the Lakers and LA.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, he's very much a guy who loves LA.
It’s not very likely at all that Odom leaves.
Again, all the more reason to make LA pay the maximum amount and take the biggest luxury tax hit possible.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 7, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
Cupcake said today he isnt paying more than 8.. and Lamar said he isnt taking less than 10
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally agree
Except for this: Odom has not always been a winner, nor has he been the most mature or a good leader. In Portland, with BRoy and Nate instead of Jackson and Kobe, I doubt he would be nearly as good a player. And he is not a reliable second scorer. A long contract would be a huge risk for Odom. Marion seems like a better option to me.
by goblazer1 on Jul 5, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
according to Mike Rice
we’ve had Odom on the roster for a couple years now, what a draft pick
by Pheesh on Jul 5, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Odom is our best play right now
He can start at the 3 and backup the 4 so the minutes would be decent for him and I think he’d be interested in being a starter. I would prefer him to Turk even if both were still available. He’s not the best scorer but he doesn’t need to be the second scorer anyway. Hopefully Bucher is right.
Can PA offer a cash signing bonus (or personal candy store) as an incentive ;)
Oden/LMA/Odom front line sounds good to me!!!
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by Ltlgto on Jul 5, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What about his back?
I wouldn’t go after Odom unless I saw him play for awhile. A back injury is a career ending possibility. Go after him at the trade deadline but not before.
by 7677maniac on Jul 5, 2009 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LA wouldn't trade him, we are talking free agency
If LA would trade him we probably wouldn’t want him.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 5, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be awesome, plus hurt the Lakers substantially.
Don’t see Lamar leaving the beach, though.
by Cablinasian on Jul 5, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if LA doesnt pay his price he will
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom took his game to another level
by playing next to Pau Gasol.
I don’t know if he can duplicate that efficiency in another setting, esp. if he’s playing even fewer minutes.
He’ll always be a very good rebounder, and he’ll always have great length, and he’ll always be a good help defender. But he’s just not Magic Johnson, either.
If easing the burden on Roy is the chief goal, then that money is better spent on Andre Miller.
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by ignign*kt on Jul 5, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That wont ease the burden on Roy.
He will be working harder on the defensive end.
by Escrote on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Underestimating Batum
Sorry, disagree that Batum needs to be a backup. Who started the vast majority of the 54 games we won last year? Who defended Kobe and many of our opponent’s best offensive players better than anyone else could have? Who is likely to make a big leap forward this year offensively… if he gets his playing time, that is? I seriously expect Batum to be a gem — this year. And if Martell comes back strong, all the better. I hope KP is looking at PG and backup PF at this point.
by Odenforce on Jul 5, 2009 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Odom can handle the ball well enough to bring the ball up the court (and so can Roy). Batum does a better job defending PGs than anyone else on the team. We could easily see of lineup of:
Batum
Roy
Odom
Aldridge
Oden
In any case, since Odom can also back up PF (and C, in a pinch) there would still be room for Batum to play at SF. Odom fits one need (back PF), very well and another, less pressing need (filling in minutes for Batum until he’s ready to be a full time starter) fairly well. I think we have to make the 50 million offer.
by wepto on Jul 6, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller is older and can't shoot
LO is a better shooter at the four than Miller is at the one. That’s a problem.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only he wasn't a L*ker I would be all for this. What about his age tho?
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by TyboOSU on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he's younger than Hedo
and frankly, its not his fault he is a Laker. He was traded there
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This is 2009. The idea that players grew up in other cities and somehow have a strange connection/love for the Portland Trail Blazers should be let go.
This isnt the 80s and players generally are not going to die for who they play for.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Jul 6, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offering him the big contract would be smart
Either we get a monster and take a monster away from our ‘rivals’ or we make the Lackers pay bigger money for him and put them over the cap bigger time. This has all been said what hasn’t likely be said is why we won’t. Nate can coach like a dozen players in the league. Odom won’t likely be one of them.
by Blazersaurus on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Either way, the PTBs can't lose by offering what they offered Turk.
Odom’s not coming anyway, which is too bad because he would solve the backup PF issue and make up for some of Blake’s offensive liabilities. It’s pretty much a move to undermine the Lakers, which is always a good idea.
by Benjamanic on Jul 6, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Nate can deal with Travis Outlaw
He can deal with Lamar Odom
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Jul 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate can coach like a dozen players in the league. Odom won’t likely be one of them
McMillian has coached LO in team USA workouts, I read an interview several years ago where Nate actually praised Odom’s work ethic. A veteran 3-4 with playoff experience, are you kidding me? Nate would be in heaven if Lamar says yes and Kupchack says no to a 5/50 offer
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by two4larue on Jul 6, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have to pause and think every time I say Odom or Oden
to make sure I am saying the right one, as it can get confusing (and I’m like 90 years younger than Mike Rice who has to do it for a living!).
Anyways, there doesn’t seem to be much of a chance of Odom signing with us from what I have read. He is known to be geographically picky. I’m not a big fan of Odom as a potential Portland Trail Blazers player or in general either. I don’t think his attitude, demeanor and general likability are at the level we demand out of our players in Portland in my opinion, but rather more in line with what would be acceptable for a Los Angeles L*ker.
by blazersand2000 on Jul 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lamar/LamarCUS could also be a tounge twister for the telecasters
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
by Pritchslap on Jul 6, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure
why everyone is so hellbent on believing that Lamar Odom won’t play anywhere without a beach. Sure he has played only in LA and MIA, but he was traded those places. Its not like he signed there. And where are we getting this beach only stuff? Because a national reporter with no knowledge of the man himself is assuming this based on side conversations. The reporters here (LA) are worried he will leave and would be interested in places like Portland or San An where he can start. He went to college in Rhode Island for gods sake, its not like thats a beach locale. I know he isnt a huge fan of the way the Lakers treated him this past year but he was a good soldier, said nothing and played. Thats what we need.
If we can, PLEASE sign LO.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no no a thousand times no
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by Addicted to Quack on Jul 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
Why would Nate and KP want a guy that has no motivation and plays when he wants to play. I say no thanks and I am sure KP won’t even consider bringing the Big Loaf on board.
by RosenOGRE on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he loafs at all..
he just isnt a star. He is an excellent role player
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus he eats candy for every meal.
I love candy.
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
by Pritchslap on Jul 6, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this a week ago.
If Odom is looking for a 5 year 50, give him 40 over 3 years. This allows him to retire 2 years early or collect his money and move on.
Well get him until he’s out of prime and not a year later.
Lots of power swings from LA to Portland. All of the other players will be 3 years older when he leaves and we get to look for our next championship guy.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Jul 6, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We don't have the cap room to offer 3/40
by ninjasocks on Jul 6, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't we do a tiered deal? 10 m first year, 14 second, 16 third?
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
by Pritchslap on Jul 6, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The amount of increases are regulated.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The BEST player in free agency and continues to get over looked.
While David Lee waits for an offer from the Portland Trail Blazers, the club is still debating whether to throw its resources at Lamar Odom or Andre Miller, according to a source close to the team. The Blazers had a verbal agreement with Hedo Turkoglu on Friday, only to lose him hours later to the Toronto Raptors. Odom, who is looking for a deal that would pay him $10 million annually, has skills similar to those of Turkoglu.
New York Daily News
I would take Odom over Turkoglu any day!
This last season mumbers of Odom and Turkoglu.
Odom 29.7mn 11.3pts 49.2% 8.2rbs
Turkoglu 36.6mn 16.8pts 41.3fg% 5.3rbs
So, ask yourself do you want a high fg%, tough rebounder, and good defender or would you of wanted a rebounder worse than outlaw, slow unathletic, and volume shooter. Get over not getting Turkoglu and realize Odom is still an option and a better fit for this teams needs than Turkoglu. Everyone says they want a good backup forward, check. They want a phsical defender, check. Good ball handler and passer, check. Why wouldn’t you pick him up for 10million a year? Worst possible outcome is we end up costing the lakers a couple extra million. Hoopshype on Odom: http://hoopshype.com/players/lamar_odom.htm
Just get it done kp!
-phil
by philthebballplayer on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Bucher just said not that long ago..
on his twitter that his Blazer source said they are not interested in Lamar. Yet the spoke with him and his agent on the 4th.. also according to bucher.. so…………
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Odom is a waste of Cap space that will hamstring this team
He should be called Sybil because of his multiple personalities. Which one will show up on any given night is anyone’s guess. He is the same as Hedo — he will not be tradable by any team that resigns him to his next contract, and his best years are probably behind him. I think we need a veteran player — which he is — but one that we want our team to emulate.
by Anim8rguy on Jul 6, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO ODOM
Blazer fan reporting from behind enemy lines. Odom is inconsistent and unmotivated. Imagine what he’ll be like without Kobe all over his ass 24/7. Pass.
by bbails on Jul 6, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What is sad
Is that I would be excited if we got him. He’s just Odom.
by tominhawaii on Jul 6, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want him..
but only if he kicks the candy and eats healthy.
by Blazersaurus on Jul 6, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ODOM!!!!!!!!!!
This would be awsome, out front court would be so long and athletic… Offer him 5/50 and have paul allen charter him flights to his home in malibu every off day during the season. Or better yet build an indoor beach at the practice facility like the one they have in dubi ! Seriously if we could get odom I would be so happy
by kwestfan on Jul 6, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Odom
NNNNO Odom.
Maybe he would have fit in better during the jailblazers era. The guy is a goon.
by MercuryPDX on Jul 6, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a good dude.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 6, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about?
a goon? seriously? why because he wears purple and gold?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I am talking about.
No, because he is a thug. You havent seen him trying to get into fights with the blazers. I sure have.
by MercuryPDX on Jul 13, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a great idea.
-He can play the backup 4, which is our most glaring offseason need. Even if he starts at the 3, his minutes at the 4 leave time for Nic and Marty
-He is not a black hole on offense, nor his his O limited to putbacks and dish offs. This will help playing next to Joel.
-He seems to be a glue guy. We dont need another star.
-He is expensive, but who else are we going to spend it on? He is leaps and (re)bounds better than Lee.
-He will add nicely to our depth, experience, and toughness.
To not consider him because he is a Laker is, at best, unstrategic.
by ScalpWrinkles on Jul 7, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be awesome
for Portland to call the Lakers bluff. Will the Lakers be forced to match? Yes, they almost certainly have to and go so deep into luxury tax hell they would think two, three, four times before doing it. Ultimately either LA will have the most expensive team ever and intense pressure to repeat or the Blazers will have a guy who does most things Turkoglu does and a very trade-able asset. I’d feel very comfortable giving Lamar a five year deal since he has been healthy and consistent throughout his career while sacrificing minutes and stats to play in LA the last 2 years. This would be a movable contract too, there really are very few players Lamar’s size with the various skills he has.
For the good of the Western conference Portland should make this offer. Not only would it put the Lakers in a super ugly predicament but Portland secures a valuable player who can bring back a lot in a future trade if they wanted. When LA lost Bynum to injury, Lamar Odom stepped into the starting role and the Lakers did not skip a beat, they were arguably just as good. His skills are similar to Hedo, and honestly I think he is much more worth a max contract which for him is not totally out of the question. While Portland still has the cap space, it could be a move that would swing the balance of power in the Western conference. Of nothing else, it absolutely screws the LA Lakers franchise and ownership.
by runningdonut on Jul 7, 2009 2:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Isn’t this the guy who passed to HIMSELF from out of bounds?
That being said, he is the BPA and would be a huge boon for us. I support this idea.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jul 7, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we sign his body and not his head?
I’m wary of a guy who’s been mecurical (to put it nicely) LA (nearly) his entire career. What makes anyone think such a person would fit here in a situation like this? Yeah granted a 6’10" forward who can do a lot of things and has won looks great on paper. Then you write his name down…. :/
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do people know how good Lamar Odom is?
Latest headline on Yahoo sports.
by Yahooguy on Jul 7, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blazers will get to finals this if they get Odom.
I predict no Odom, no finals.
by Yahooguy on Jul 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board
Odom is a good hard player, definitely better than Turk, and plays defense too!
by Blodgett on Jul 7, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The link isnt posting properly after I hit the post button
Use this one
by Yahooguy on Jul 7, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That worked
Thanks. I would love adding Odom. My only concern would be his inconsistency, which is very similar to Trout’s. Something that frustrated us all last year.
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 7, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked at Lamar Odoms wikipedia page and found that Bill Bayno coached him at UNLV
Would he be at all more interested because of Bayno?
by philthebballplayer on Jul 7, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he played at Rhode Island?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jul 7, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh he transferred
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jul 7, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamar Odom: yuck
He’s got the skills to do the job, but so did ‘sheed, Bonzi, Miles, and the rest of the Jailblazers. I think Kobe, Phil, Fisher, et al kept Odom in line—and even at that he underachieved as a Laker. I don’t want this guy on the Blazers. One rotten apple spoils the whole bunch, as they say.
Plus, how confusing would it be to type Odom vs Oden all the time. That alone is good enough reason to pass on the guy.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jul 7, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Odom will likely be a Laker
according to local sports this morning. Beat writer for Lakers says OKC and SAC are not interested and LAL had resigned losing Lamar to Portland, however the Blazers have not shown much interest in Lamar according to his agent. Local radio guys still think if Blazers offer him 10 mil he is gone. Current offer from Lakers is 3 yrs 21 mil, and they have no intention of going over 8 per year for him.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 8, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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