David Lee begets a SF in the Future
"Where there is smoke, there is fire."
-some guy
Why would the Blazers want David Lee? Great rebounder, shoots a high percentage but at a cost of 8 to 10 million a year. No thanks right? A lot of money for a PF backup. But what if David Lee is more than a backup at PF, what if he is also your backup at Center.
pause.
Trade the 'billa?! Ludicris you say. But the Billa is a valuable trade asset, manageable contract and a legitimate starting center in the league. Teams would be asking for his services correct? Teams that might have small forwards that are potentially available.
Caron Butler (dream).
All player virtually have the same contract of about $9.5 million for next year. Package the Vanilla Gorilla and Troutlaw and you can have any of them. Would you do it?
Why would Detroit?
If the Pistons had interest in the Turk as reported, perhaps they aren't sold on Prince for the future. Joel gives them a starting center and would improve their team's rebounding and defense. Outlaw provides a one year scoring punch and salary relief if wanted.
Why would Charlotte?
Again they have been searching for a starting center since the team was founded (hello Alexis Ajinca!). Joel gives them that and Outlaw again. scoring. cap relief.
Why would Washington?
They really wouldn't. Caron Butler is one amazing player. They did trade for Randy Foye and Mike Miller oddly enough though. Trade Butler to the Blazers (if I keep saying it it might happen) shift Mike Miller to the SF. In 2010 the Wizards would be around $15 million under the cap potentially. That summer of '10 might make GM's do foolish things.
Why wouldn't the Blazers do a lopsided trade?
The ship of getting a SF for nothing sailed with Jefferson to The Spurs. Team will want Batum they will want Rudy or Bayless. Is Joel in the long term plans? Or better yet, would Joel want to sit behind Greg Oden for years?
Center for Center Joel is better than David Lee as a starter, but David Lee is a better backup because you could player him at either backup PF or backup Center. He can rebound. He actually can score ie Joel's main weakness. What about defense though? David Lee is not a good defender according to the metrics. But who on New York is? Is it a product of the system? Hey at least he can rebound.
So no Joel for a SF make little sense (re Greg Oden injury history) but if David Lee is signed the murky water of the offseason gains a little clarity.
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I like your thinking...
tho, what if we signed Lee w/ the intention of using him in a trade in the future?
by abobo84 on Jul 5, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Joel is going nowhere, I think I’m on pretty solid ground by saying that. Maybe next summer we can entertain thoughts of Przy leaving, but much depends on Greg’s development. Until Oden shows that he can stay out on the floor for 30+mpg, there’s no “rush” to deal Joel
Lee is an asset, and he offers great “insurance” in case one of the other bigs were to get hurt. Why pay him 10 mil to be a backup? Because he’s the best FA available. Why would he agree to take the money and not be a starter? Because his remaining options aren’t better, and he’s a capitalist.
Why would KP to it? Because there’s no reason why he can’t turn around and re-deal Lee in December —February if everyone else stays healthy and there’s a minutes crunch. Call it a “marriage of convenience” with a possible pre-nup agreement that if all doesn’t go well, there will be an “escape clause” exercised in short order. Is it a waste of Portland’s cap-space? There’s only a risk if Lee gets hurt before he is dealt
And the kid is no stiff
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was a rule or something that teams had to wait a year after trading for a player in order to trade him to someone else.
by Bryan72076 on Jul 5, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think signing him gives you that flexibility
Do you trade him or Joel to acquire a SF, depends on the team, but I think Joel might have more value as a center where a lot of teams have needs. Furthermore, David Lee can backup Oden and LMA whereas Joel is limited to Greg’s backup due to scoring ability and general speed and quickness.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
how legit these reported ‘talks’ are…
I’m itching for us to make a move and at this point I’ll be happy with whatever move that is so long as it doesnt mess w/ team chemistry too much. If that means moving Joel, then I hope we get something special in return b/c Joel’s strengths go much further than just what he does on the court. He’s turned into the enforcer and a solid veteran leader…plus I hear he makes a mean 3 bean salad.
by abobo84 on Jul 5, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone else hear...
about Joel’s 3 bean salad?
Steve Blake raved that it was “better than moms”
by abobo84 on Jul 5, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I thought he said that about Joel’s Potato Salad?
by abobo84 on Jul 5, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This cracks me up
and it was the potato salad. The three bean salad was “beyond.. just.. [sigh] beyond”.
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 5, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add Shane Battier to list
Joel Pryzbilla for Shane Battier makes sense for both Portland and Houston. Houston has no center and is going to sign Trevor Ariza, who plays same position as Battier.
by Turnout on Jul 5, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Blazers should trade Joel because he has high trade value, then why don't they just trade Roy?
He’s got to have the highest trade value on the team.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's be rational here
do you think anyone would really want to take on Roy and his giant contract? I mean really…we’d be lucky if we could get John Crotty and Bill Curley back for him.
by abobo84 on Jul 5, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think the Blazers are going to resign him (Joel)?
Its called maximizing your assets.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that you have to consider Joel's injury history.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to consider Oden's injury history before we worry about Joel's
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you at least acknowledge that signing David Lee would give you options though?
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I don't understand it
It’s like the Blazers need a truck and since only cars are available, fans want to buy a car in hopes of trading it for a truck.
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would compare it to...
Having a five thousand dollar check that expires in one year.
Next year that cap space will be gone with the extensions of LMA and Roy.
So do you use the check or do you let it expire?
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what it will end up costing you
If I go back to my analogy and mix it with yours, a friend of a friend won the Wayne’s World car and he had to give it away because the taxes were too high on it.
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nooooo
The Mirth Mobile??
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 5, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Even though it was just a 1976 AMC Pacer, it had a huge value and tax on it because it was in the movie.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he just sell it for the tax money?
or did he make anything on the deal
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 5, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he had trouble finding a buyer and basically broke even
I just googled it and it’s up for auction.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sucks
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 5, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did he win it?
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Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 5, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Analogies don't work on the new guys !
They are to busy playing RealGM in video game mode.
“Back to your mom’s basement, and don’t forget the chips
& soda ! "
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jul 5, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if they resign Joel
I just think “high trade value” is not a legit reason to trade someone.
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you know a player is leaving you have to get something for him.
Not necessary in this case (Joel) but as a matter of principle.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's always true
Detroit let AI walk
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was for cap space
Which got them Gordon and Charlie V
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about when the Blazers let Jamaal Magloire walk?
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as an expiring contract
yes
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 5, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He had to have had a high trade value in that regard.
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were those the Nash Patterson days?
Dark indeed.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about RLEC?
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salary cap flexibility this summer!
zing.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me quote Mr. Przybilla himself, a comment made in reference to the Blazers drafting a PF:
“You Can’t Have Too Many Bigs.”
People need to stop thinking conventionally about the bigs. You don’t need just 3, to share the playing minutes equitably so everyone can rack up numbers and look like a star…
You need AT LEAST……..1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5.
Injuries happen, play in the paint is foul-intensive and players are rapidly lost to the whistle. Low post play is physical play and effectiveness is rapidly lost as court time increases beyond about a 25 or 30 minute stint.
David Lee would be a MASTERFUL addition to the Blazers. And Pryz wouldn’t be going anywhere.
A team needs to cover all the possibilities — one of which includes Greg Oden NOT becoming less foul prone and NOT becoming more effective.
Lee has the one thing you can’t really teach: DESIRE to play low. He hustles. He rebounds. He’s a great fit for Portland.
Here’s hoping (although I do expect KP to spend his money on a wing, not a big).
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by timbo on Jul 5, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that you need a lot of bigs
I don’t think you should have four starter quality bigs though.
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your Chemistry concerns but...
There are no quality wings or PG available to sign.
So yeah you have to buy the truck but trucks maintain value
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say buy in bulk
Chris Andersen
Walter Herrmann
Lamar Odom
Donyell Marshall
Ime Udoka
Matt Barnes
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign the Birdman
And I was an opposing coach I would seriously go down to MLK and get all the drugs I could and then spread them out in the locker room. Just like a rat and poison
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's wrong
My point is that even if the Blazers have $9 million to spend, they don’t have to blow it all on one guy.
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."--Thomas Paine
by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which locker room?
I don’t think you’d be allowed in the opposing team’s locker room.
So you’d be hoping Andersen went into yours, I suppose.
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Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 5, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have 4 starter quality bigs
You start blowing teams out by 30 & nobody is going to complain about minutes.You also have fresher players for the playoffs. Sounds like a win win.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jul 5, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't we already possess one of the biggest lineups in the league?
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A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Jul 5, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the L*kers are the target
If you can’t match up with L*A’s length in a 7 game series, fugetaboutit
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Lee is a good player, but . . .
the up tempo system of run & gun padded his stats. His energy
and desire made him perfect for the Knicks, but his production in Nate’s
system would be different. Let the cake bake !
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jul 5, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Joel would require the right guy in return
I don’t think it is the best move to make this year. It would be tough to let him go and then see Oden struggle through his sophomore season. I prefer keeping him.
But I see where you are going. Having a strong 3 big man rotation set up for the next 5 years (Oden, LA, Lee /Millsap /Bass) plus bringing in a player like Prince and signing a back up center (Steven Hill or some such guy) could make the Blazers quite a bit better. Joel is a stud though and it would have to be for the guy that they think makes them a contender.
Plus timbo is right…you can never have too many bigs.
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by tssbro on Jul 5, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, remember...
you can never put too much water in a nuclear reactor.
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by tssbro on Jul 5, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to get the best player possible
while you have this small window of cap space , it gonna be awhile till we have any cap space again. After that you make the trades that make sense, maybe none looks like a pretty good team adding Lee to me.
by runanjum on Jul 5, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd rather see Odom come here
rather than Lee. Odom can and does bring the ball up, and taking him from our biggest rival(threat) to the WCF would be a bonus. He can play the 3, 4 or 5. Put him in as the starting 3 and you have one helluva front line (Oden/LMA/Odom).
Odom is definitely not my favorite player, but the man can ball! And just think of the confusion announcers would have keeping Oden’s/Odom’s name straight.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jul 5, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Odom for the same reasons
He has a low BBIQ though.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like Odom too.
I just really dont think he would come here.
Not close enough to the beach and he JUST found where all the good candy shops are in LA
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP is not going to sign Lee for the purposes of trading Pryz, unless he already has a deal in place.
That is not unrealistic. Why would Houston not be interested in Pryz. Why would signing Lee not be a benefit to the team whether they do or do not trade Pryz. Lee is a free agent he can sign with whom ever. If he signs with the Blazers; he will have done it with full understanding of the pile up at his position. I’m sure the thought of playing LMA at the 3 a little could open up more time too. I understand the $, but that situation is understood by KP of where Paul Allen is on the topic of spending $. Paul is not getting younger, he must be willing to spend some money to enjoy watching his team compete for a title, and we all get to benefit.
by Titlein2011 on Jul 5, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think you have to remember Lee was...
a late 1st round pick. He played for 1.7 million last year. If I was in his shoes I would take the best deal available.
Say he signs for the qualifying offer so he can be unrestricted. Do you think he would command the same money next year with the glut of star available and the economy?
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Lee’s agent (Bartelstein) was talking about how hard it would be to put together a sign and trade because of David being a BYC. He said 12 teams are interested—basically all the contenders are looking for big man depth (so why shouldn’t Portland be? hmmm) If Portland signs Lee as a FA he’ll have his long-term financial security and KP can re-deal him anytime between Dec 15th and the trading deadline (or next summer, etc)
And Timbo is also right re: his “never too many bigs” take. The Blazers took a huge step down in production when Channing Frye hit the floor, last year. There’s no guarantee that Pendergraph will be the answer—he’s a rookie. So at least until the right deal is found later, Nate will have tremendous depth at the PF/C positions and the team could weather any “dings” to LMA/JoeL/Greg that might crop up
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Mike Rice's head would explode mixing those 2 names up every game.
by dario argento on Jul 5, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamar and Greg should be doable for him
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 5, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's one of the best reasons
that I can think of for KP to overpay for LO!
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing that could happen for Blazer fans
is KP and Nate knock off the BS and make this team a traditional inside outside team with a strong center a quick rebounding forward and an all-star guard. It’s fun to watch and it wins championships. Kobe’s team is the only one I remember that had a sub par center. But that Laker team is overrated; after all they had to beat “ORLANDO.” What a crappy league it’s become. KP said weeks ago this team will only go as far as Greg Oden’s development will allow. As Pivate John Winger (Bill Murray in Stripes) said; “That’s a fact ,Jack!”
by oregonslee on Jul 5, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that
but Cartwright and Longley were more than serviceable and certainly more reliable than young Bynum.
by oregonslee on Jul 5, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, we got a strong center, a quick forward, and an All-Star guard
OK, LMA isn’t the greatest rebounder in the world, but we’ve got these pieces.
You make it sound like Nate is deploying Nellie-ball. :)
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 5, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what's the problem
my tone of voice or the fact that we got used bad by Hedo? All I’m trying to say is I’m not a fan of trying to build a team and a system based on buying the best available free agent. Let’s get our front line in order first. If we need a a player let’s get one but without wagering the farm.
by oregonslee on Jul 5, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't consider Pau Gasol a sub-par Center
Andrew Bynum basically stunk, but Pau played the center position for most of the series. I’d take Pau straight up for Pryz anyday.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jul 5, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pau is a lot better PF than a C
He’s a pretty soft center.
by ninjasocks on Jul 5, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if the Blazers sign Lee and their next SF is--LaMacrus Aldridge?
Everyone compares Aldridge to ‘Sheed (basketball-wise). He’s got the same build, prefers to face the basket, is athletic, and is an intelligent player. Both players have a perhaps-undeserved reputation for being “soft”, mainly because they are average-at-best rebounders for their size. LMA isn’t yet at Sheed’s level defensively—OTOH, ‘Sheed defense is a bit overrated, as he is routinely abused by strong post players—Zach Randolph, for example, has owned Wallace for his entire career. LMA doesn’t hoist the 3 very often; but in the current Blazers’ offense, playing the 4, that isn’t his role. He is a credible threat from deep, though.
During the five-plus years that Wallace has been in Detroit, he’s been a post player—mainly due to the presence of Tayshaun Prince, the closest thing to Scottie Pippen in the modern NBA. Likewise, when Pippen himself was in Portland, ’Sheed played the four, or came off the bench backing up both Pip and Brian Grant.
But prior to Pippen’s arrival—in particular, the strike-shortened 98-99 team, Wallace was our starting small forward. The ’03-04 season, prior to Wallace getting shipped out, he formed a nasty frontcourt tandem with Z-Bo; playing the 3 on offense and guarding the better of the two opposing forwards on defense.
What if the Blazers sign Lee—and move LaMarcus to the three? He could still play big minutes at the four if the Blazers want to go smaller—such a move would give the Blazers lots of flexibility. In the current offensive scheme, the SF waits in the corner for the ball and then drives or shoots if open, which would be a waste of LMA’s talents—but looking at recent Blazer SFs (Batum, Webster, Jones, Udoka)—we’ve generally had guys for whom this is a reasonable role. Aldridge has shown an ability to defend the perimeter—he has an easier time containing most NBA SFs, it seems, than he does guarding the David Westss of the league.
Could Aldridge play alongside Oden and Lee in the front line?
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 5, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In certain matchups YEAH!
Im not sure if LMA has a good enough handle to play it full time. BUT if you sign Lee you can find matchups because he can play both the 4 and 5.
by Bud Dwyer on Jul 5, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem
is that POrtland has 2 really good centers that also need minutes, so that’s why people are advocating trading Joel. But that would be wrong. Lee isn’t a true center, and neither is LMA. However, if Joel and/or Greg were to get into foul trouble it would be much better to have a guy like Lee around as opposed to using a guy like Channing, or a rookie like Pendergraph. So while you don’t “plan” for Lee to play “center” heading into any particular ballgame, he becomes the de facto “3rd center” in case of crappy officiating ;^)
LMA getting short minutes at SF would be better than Lee playing that position. Is it ideal? No. But could LMA defend a lot of SFs? No problem, he’s got good balance and the length to bother their shots. And just think of what he would “do” to a shorter forward down at the other end of the floor…
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aldridge isn't a three, can't play a three, can't shoot the three, can't defend threes
It’s a losing proposition. David Lee isn’t worth all this stupid talk about our second best player playing a position in which he flat isn’t suited to playing. David Lee isn’t even among the best 4 power forwards available right now. Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap, Antonio McDyess and Lamar Odom are all considerably better players, and better fits on this team. Why on earth we’d be willing to overpay Lee (because we’d have to, to get him, because he’s an RFA) is beyond me. He’s a bad offensive player, can’t shoot, can’t defend and wants way more minutes than we could conceivably give him. Just an awful idea.
by as11osu on Jul 5, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't agree that Lee's a bad offensive player or can't shoot
but agree that LMA probably is not suited to the SF position.
by oregonslee on Jul 5, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is a decent trash player and runs the court for occasional easy transition buckets
but his offensive game in the half court set is basically nothing. And no, he can’t shoot a lick (his jump shot = .352 eFG%).
by as11osu on Jul 5, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of the 135 players that qualified last year Lee ranked 126th
by as11osu on Jul 5, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's equally adept at both wing positions
although the numbers say the team is much more effective, and he personally is much more effective when playing small forward.
I don’t think calling for Aldridge to play SF and calling for Roy to play SF is even in the same realm of thinking. One has happened, and has been quite successful. The other is ridiculous unjustified speculation.
by as11osu on Jul 5, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're in denial, again
Maybe all of this Lee chatter is just his agent and the east coast writers, but there’s one reason I think it may be legit. Both Brain Wheeler and Larry Miller intimated that KP had been very interested in trading up to select Tyler Hansbrough in last month’s draft. Now, we could debate the reasons “why” this was the case, but what’s the point? You’ve made your position clear enough, already. I just observe that if KP was interested in TH he could very well target Lee for the same reasons, even though the money is in another stratosphere. And I also suspect that drafting Pendergraph and Cunningham hasn’t completely scratched KP/Nate’s “itch” for an scrappy forward to replace Outlaw on next season’s roster
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never claimed to know what KP/Nate prefers to do
I just know it’s a mistake. TH and Lee are compared because they’re white and little else. TH has a sweet little mid range stroke, Lee does not. Lee is an elite rebounder, TH wasn’t among colleges top 100 rebounding, or top 200 in efficiently rebounding the ball.
Besides being white and playing on fast paced teams they really have very little in common. But, as we all know, the first thing people look at when making their comparisons have to do with skin color. This goes to the Nth degree if a player is white.
by as11osu on Jul 5, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't go pulling the race card on me
That was a low blow, and I should flag you for it
and I’m not “claiming” to know what KP and Nate are thinking like I’m some kind of gypsy mind-reader, as it “seems” that you are implying with your snarky headline.
There have been two published accounts (one over the air, the other from a pulic luncheon) where two seperate Blazer employess who had direct access to knowledge of the Blazer’s draft process said that KP was trying to move up and draft Hansbrough. (Larry Miller’s quote was “this is common knowledge”)
Now we have reports that he is talking to Lee’s agent. It doesn’t take a color-blind analyst to see a connection between these two players, both are forwards, both bring energy. But maybe your problem is myopia and tunnel vision re: your idea of what the Blazer need to do, versus KPs?
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly there was no disrespect intended there...
And the race thing wasn’t directed at you, or even the tens of people that were comparing Lee to TH earlier on this site, but pretty much everywhere. Basketball fans in this country at least, are notorious for comparing white American basketball players to other white American basketball players, whether their games are alike or not. I wouldn’t even call it in the same vicinity as racism anyway. Its been alluded to hundreds of times, from the show on 1080, to Dan Patrick, to Bill Simmons. It’s a common trap that I think people fall into because of convenience. I’ve seen both players play a lot, and know their games aren’t very close, and their set of skills differ a lot.
You’re right though. They both bring energy, but I think a lot of that even, has to do with the fact they play in up-tempo systems that require its players to be active.
I’m not here to argue about any of the TH reports, as I believe they’re probably true. KP seems to have been a different wave length than me during this draft, although I’d still have drafted Claver (if Blair wasn’t on the list).
It seems he knew that we’d be going after Hedo, and that having TH would’ve been a soild 4 in his opinion, if that were to come to pass as well.
by as11osu on Jul 5, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm merely floating the idea
rather than advocating it—but a few points to consider:
1) Aldridge does pretty well for a big man when switched out on the perimeter—he probably can stay in front of a good percentage of NBA small forwards, and certainly has the length to bother their shot.
2) He can shoot the 3. He seldom does; but he has the range. If Trout can develop a credible jumpshot from deep, LaMarcus (who is already reliable out to 18 feet) can too.
On the other hand…
Ideally, if you are gonna do this; you want a guy to man the high post, another to man the low post, and another to man the wing. On the 98-99 Blazers, Sabonis was on the high post, where he was a threat to either pass or can the jumper; Grant played in the low blocks where he was a monster on the glass (plays were not run for him), and Wallace played on the perimeter or halfway in, where he had a variety of moves to score—he also was a constant threat to receive an alley-oop pass. The trio of LMA/Lee/Oden doesn’t really fit this pattern. If anything it might be more like Zach/Wallace/Dale Davis, which while effective, was less so.
Lee isn’t my first choice for a FA signing, unless he’s willing to play backup minutes. Given that he duplicates skills the Blazers have already (rebounding), I think they would be best looking elsewhere. But, there is reported team interest in him… and I’d be surprised if he’s coming here just to keep LMA’s seat on the bench warm.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 5, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He can shoot the 3. He seldom does; but he has the range"
The same could be said about Tim Duncan.
by ninjasocks on Jul 5, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You play your best players at their natural position
You get a not as good PF and bump the guy who’s a little more versatile out of his natural position?
Not a good plan.
by baduk on Jul 5, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMA already plays PF like an SF
He’s a turn around jump shooter. He wouldn’t have to change his game at all. Lee would just be there creating havoc in the paint, and drawing LMA’s defender. The only concern would be defense, and as some others have said, LMA has the length and athleticism to bother most SFs. With Lee and Oden/Joel behind him, the paint would be closed, so the opposing SF would have to put the ball on the floor and create a shot. I wouldn’t use this big line-up all the time, but it would definitely work, with three serious scorers Roy, LMA, Lee, + Blake shooting threes and distributing, and Oden being big and getting put back dunks off everyone else’s misses.
by wingzeta on Jul 5, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice balanced take
I’ve been expecting the high-low post offense with LMA and Greg since the Blazer’s coaches talked about it even before Greg hurt his knee. I don’t know that LMA playing at SF would make this happen any more or more often, but it would be nice to see this concept in action out there on the court
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers needs? The Blazers still need a back up power forward and IMO Antonio McDyess is that player that they need at that spot. And McDyess is a very good Vet.
Mark ‘Dyess’ down for a double-double each night. After re-joining Detroit mid-season, the polite veteran posted a workmanlike 10 points and 10 rebounds per game. McDyess could replace Yao in Houston, where he, coincidentally, has his off-season home. But if KP can Make him an offer and let him know Portland is where he needs to be if he wants a RING. The Blazers need McDyess as their back up power forward/Center. And he won’t cost as much as Lee and IMO you get the same thing from both players. And I like D.Harris better then A.Miller and that just MO
by billyjoejack on Jul 5, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by HurraKane212 on Jul 5, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Eat Politicians on Jul 5, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again I'll say I wouldnt be surprised of we sign Lee, just to get the most bang for out buck.
KP might be looking at this like draft; take the best player available and maximize your assets. Perhaps Lee is higher on their board than any other FA remaining, and he figures he’ll figure out what to do with him later. He could play here for a year and then be traded for a stallion, or maybe Joel gets traded. Tons of teams lust after Lee, so maybe he’ll be a blockbuster trading chip.
by dario argento on Jul 5, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You dont trade Joel
He saved us last season, we have to find out if Greg could play 75 percent of the season before we could even talk about trading Joel. Greg right now is injury proned, maybe after next season we will find out more about the future of Greg. For now Joel is are starting center.
by Kosta0027 on Jul 5, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're thinking about this wrong.
I would love Lee on the team, but I doubt we’ll be paying 10 million per for a bench player, no matter how good he is. I think it’s more likely that the Blazers are talking to Lee’s agent and the Knicks about serving as the third team in a sign-and-trade deal. Because Lee will be a BYC player, the Knicks can only take back 5-6 million if they trade his new 10 million dollar contract. This means they can’t send him to a team over the cap in a straight up trade, but rather need a third team who is below the cap to absorb some salary.
Something like this makes sense: Lee signed and traded to Charlotte, Gerald Wallace traded to Blazers, Outlaw traded to Knicks. I’m sure some other compensation would be involved, like draft picks, foreign rights, and cash. Or how about a deal that sends Lee to the Rockets and Battier/Landry to the Blazers? The possibilities are endless in this scenario. The Blazers just have to find a team that values Lee more than the player the Blazers are targeting and convince them to make a deal.
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by bfan on Jul 5, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s more likely that the Blazers are talking to Lee’s agent and the Knicks about serving as the third team in a sign-and-trade deal. Because Lee will be a BYC player
This is even more likely. Hopefully KP will get a good deal because his FA options are dwindling and waiting around until 7-15 for NY to make up their mind re: matching Lee’s offer is nobody’s idea of a good time
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by two4larue on Jul 5, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign David Lee as our backup pf/c...
Trade Joel, Travis and Blake/Bayless (whichever one of the 2 pg’s the other team wants) for a higher quality starting point guard (Devin Harris, not Hinrich; I don’t see what the lovefest with Hinrich is all about). There are 96 minutes per game at power forward and center combined.
Aldridge: 35 min.
Oden:30 min.
D. Lee: 31 min. ………these minutes would be tentative. They could possibly slightly decrease minutes for Aldridge and Lee to get Pendergraph some time (not Oden, he needs as much time on the court as we can get him; he’s our 2nd most effective player).
Lineup with these moves….
PG: Harris/Bayless or Blake
SG: Roy/Fernandez
SF: Webster/Batum
PF:Aldridge/Lee/Pendergraph
C: Oden/Lee/Aldridge
not bad
by GregOden15ppg on Jul 5, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or just let Roy score 30 ppg and carry his team like LeBron and Dwyane
kidding, but we all know he could if he felt like it. He just knows it’s not what’s best to help the team win.
by GregOden15ppg on Jul 5, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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