Commitment
I have gone back and forth about whether to post this or not. I decided to. Bear with me, for the next three minutes as you read, if you will. I think there is something we all ought to consider towards the end of my post.
Having been born raised in Portland and moving to Chicago eight years ago after finishing college, I like to think I know my home city and state well. I always enjoy my visits to see my family twice a year and often bemoan the fact I have chosen to make my home and raise my family in Chicago because I love Oregon so much. Portland is a beautiful place to live and is filled with beautiful people (not a reference to external beauty). There is a refreshing honesty, in general, to the culture there. With so many Oregonians, what you see is what you really get. If I spend the rest of my adult life in Chicago, I will still always love Portland and call it home.
I also love the game of basketball. Growing up I dreamed, like many boys, of being a Trail Blazer. I would sneak a radio into my bedroom when I was little so I could listen live to every game even though they went way past my bedtime. I'm sure my dad knew, but let me do it anyway. Speaking of my dad, he owned a small furniture chain in the Portland area all through my childhood. Much of his business was custom furniture and many of the Blazers would buy furniture from my dad. Clyde Drexler would call my dad the day before he would come in so my brother and I could skip school the next day and go to work with my dad to see Clyde. He even came to my fourth grade basketball team's pizza party. We didn't ask him to, he offered out of the kindness of his heart. When I got older I asked my dad if Clyde asked for some kind of a discount on the furniture for his appearance at my party. My dad assured me Clyde is just a good man. None of my friends believed me that Clyde was coming, but needless to say all of them (and their brothers, sisters, moms, dads, and even a couple grandpas and uninvited friends) showed up at the party just in case I was telling the truth. Clyde sat for an hour talking with all of us. One of the best days of my life. After a very average high school hoops career at a school just south of Portland, my playing days for the game I loved ended. But my love for the game and especially the Trail Blazers could continue. You won't find a bigger Blazers fan than I.
This offseason in particular has been quite a rollercoaster. Like many Blazer fans on the site here, I didn't want KP and company to throw all our cap space (not to mention 5 years) at Hedo Turkoglu. But as time passed I warmed to the idea and got pretty excited thinking about having a point forward who could score and pass which would help Roy's workload but also enable us to play Bayless more without him having to try to fill that role. When I heard reports that Hedo had agreed with Portland I was pumped. I was equally disappointed to hear that Hedo backed away from Portland to sign with Toronto. But I reserved judgment until I got more information. This evening having read Hedo's agent being quoted that Hedo had made a verbal commitment to come to Portland and then backed out once Toronto made an offer, I was really upset. I felt like I had been hit in the face (I've never been punched in the gut so I don't know what that feels like, but I have been hit in the face). I was indignant that the team and city I love had been mistreated and disparaged.
But what has been even more upsetting to me than being jilted by Hedo have been the posts and comments about Hedo and his wife. I think it is fair game to attack Hedo for misleading and lying to the Portland front office. It is one thing to engage in "misdirection" or to "play the free agent period field." It is another thing to verbally commit to sign with the Blazers and pull out of your agreement out of personal preference (after many of the other SF prospects signed with other teams while we were hosting you).
Where many a Blazer fan has crossed the line are the comments making Hedo out to be less of a man because he listens to his wife. Any real man listens to his wife. Her opinion, thoughts, and needs should matter to him more than his own. This is especially true when thinking about the major decisions in life, like where you will live for the next five years. When Hedo made his verbal commitment to Portland and flew out to work out the details, Toronto was a darkhorse canidate that was seen by most to be highly unlikely to gut their team in order to be able to sign Hedo. Once they made a comparable offer, Toronto became an option for Hedo and his family. Should he have honored his commitment to Portland? Probably. Going back on his word may make him less of a man. But looking out for his wife and family don't. At the end of the day, Hedo probably did what he thought was best for his family. When he puts his head on the pillow every night, we aren't there. His wife is.
I am not pointing any fingers here. Just saying what I felt needed to be said. Thanks for considering what I had to say. Now let's go spend our money on a more worthy candidate (or two).
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I think that after the last 48 hours
we should all be “committed”
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe, it is crazy to care so much about a player half the fan base didn't want
I won’t blame Hedo for his decision. Given his family situation, I would’ve made the same decision. Then again, I wouldn’t have given my word to Portland if I had that family situation.
by lurtsman on Jul 5, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Still, I’d think that maybe, ya know..JUST MAYBE, there was a conversation between the Turkoglu’s between dinner in Orlando and the flight to Portland, where she laid down the law, and Hedo strung us out, even gave us a verbal he knew wasn’t binding, until he saw what Toronto would do. I’ve no doubt once Portland’s offer was given, Turks agent got Toronto on the line and said Hedo would much rather come to Toronto if you will offer him 60M. So, at the end of the day, we can conclude that from a business sense only, Turk and his agent got the best deal, and the best location for them. We got got played, and lied to. That’s business. How do I feel? Pretty damn good, actually! KP ego maybe bruised a tad (understandable), but I believe some of the best trades-or signings- are the ones you don’t make. I have no doubt this will bear out to be one of those.
by DCBlazerinPDX on Jul 4, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Her opinion, thoughts, and needs should matter to him more than his own?
Are you kidding me? A man who blindly follows his wife’s advice will never get ahead. Women don’t even want you to follow their advice fully. They want a man to make the hard decisions and stick to his word. Hedo appears not to have done this thing. Any lady that wants to be the boss is not worth the headache.
Good luck with your life philosophy.
by Oden or Bust on Jul 5, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like you aren't married
marriage is all about compromise. if you can’t deal with that idea then don’t get married.
his wife has to live in the city a lot more than he has to. I can’t blame her if she was convinced toronto is better for them than portland and laid some weight into it.
we should just call hedo “doug christie” from now on. http://www.901am.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/christie.gif
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jul 5, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am married and own my own business.
I didn’t say I do not consult my wife on decisions. I specifically highlighted the belief that, “Her opinion, thoughts, and needs should matter to him more than his own.” That is false. Compromise is a lose-lose situation. It is much better to find win-win situations.
If I had followed my wife’s advice, our business would not exist. Trust me, now she likes the income. Currently, I am working on a high potential start-up. You guessed it, she thinks I should focus on the core business. What should I do?
Also, I too come from a long line of no divorce in our family and I learned from my father and grandfather who also are self-made men and ran their own businesses.
by Oden or Bust on Jul 5, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry about my non-married accusation then
Sometimes I over-rule my wife, and sometimes I get over-ruled by her (or decide to let something go). Kind of depends on how important it seems to each of us respectively.
Regarding Hedo and his wife, I have to think he was weighing a decision on winning versus happy wife and a few more dollars. We now know which one he valued more.
I own my own business too. Good luck on the potential start-up.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jul 5, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree and disagree
Agree that it is better to find win-wins.
Agree that sometimes a husband shouldn’t follow his wife’s advice.
Disagree on this part, though. Her needs matter to me more than my own. Her opinions and thoughts matter more than my own.
If it is my needs vs. her wants, my needs win. If it is my opinion vs. hers, the vast majority of the time her opinion wins. If it is facts vs. opinion, facts win.
In other words, there are varying levels of importance. Needs always top things one of us wants, and facts always top opinions.
In this case, they weren’t dealing with “needs”. Lots of money both places. He probably wanted to play on a winning team (who doesn’t, besides maybe Marion?). She wanted to live a particular place. In both cases, it is a matter of wants, not needs. I could see myself putting my wife’s wants before my own in such a case. It pays off. It isn’t as if it is likely to make his entire life miserable to make a few more dollars in Toronto on a losing team. I would especially put my wife’s opinion on “where we live” much higher if I were on the road a lot — I would want her to be in a place she would be happy.
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by jscot on Jul 5, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not kidding
Thanks for the wishes of luck. It has served me well so far. It’s also worked for my parents and two sets of grandparents.
I appreciate your life philosophy. I just happen to disagree with part of it. I didn’t say anything about blindly following anything. I think it is highly unlikely that Hedo simply obeyed his wife. I think it is very likely that they made a joint decision. I think most women would want that. I also think most women feel respect towards a man who makes the hard decisions after consulting with and listening to his wife. I do agree with you that a man should keep his word. Turk should not have made a verbal commitment to Portland knowing there was still a chance, however small, that Toronto would offer $3 million more.
by Blazer Fan in Chicago on Jul 5, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is all a dodge
95% of the time, NBA players go where the most money is offered.
That’s “what’s best for their family” – mo money.
His wife probably didn’t need to do more than point out that Toronto was going to pay him more money. I think all the talk about her “making the decision” or “changing his mind” is just that – talk. He’s the one who signs his name on the contract, if he made a verbal commitment and then broke it – oh well – it wasn’t binding, he’s just another NBA player whose first priority is money.
Personally, I had my fingers crossed until the end hoping he’d back out of the deal and was pulling for Toronto, because I believe he would have been a disaster for the Blazers, his best production year was ‘07-08 and he’ll spent the next five years declining both physically and on the court, because unless you take care of your body like a maniac (unlike pizza-boy) the miles just start to add up on the wrong side of 30.
by baduk on Jul 5, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Blazer Fan!
You put into words exactly what I’ve been feeling the last 24 hours. Seeing the vitriol that fans were hurling at Hedo and his wife was almost enough to make me stop reading these websites, which I’ve been lurking on for years. Especially nasty were the the comments following the Oregonlive story. Gave me chills to think that people can get that nasty over a game.
I’m sure that Toronto was waiting to see what we offered before putting out their offer, at which point Hedo and his wife had a decision to make. Sounds like they made the right one for a number of reasons—and remember, even before he accepted Toronto’s offer, the Blazers had spent the afternoon trying to get the word out that no deal had been reached yet.
By the way, I’m another native Oregonian who grew up with the Blazers (championship days) and has found hmself living far from home. Usually I’m impressed by the intelligence and class of most of our fellow fans. I guess the perception of being rejected can bring out the worst in some folks.
Thanks for such a thoughtful and dignified response!
by VTDuck on Jul 5, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he should have got her final answer before making that verbal commitment
I do feel used and, yes, abused.
I ain’t raped and freezin’, but it’s not for lack of him and his agent trying.
Things are settling out with the major free agents. I say, fill the hole at the banger 4 with Bass or McDyess ASAP. Then move on to see what else can be accomplished.
I am over Hedo.
by LaoTzu on Jul 5, 2009 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My wife exists for my pleasure only
I could tell my wife that we’re moving to the Ozarks and she’ll move because she knows her role.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 4:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like you'd fit right in at the Ozarks Tom:)
But they would be lucky to have your wife there:)
by Blazer Fan in Chicago on Jul 5, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I play Scrabble with my wife and daughters,
I crush my enemies, drive them before me, and hear the lamentations of my women.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Show this comment to your wife. I know she loves a good laugh.
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by annthefan on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ann, you need to learn how to tell when Tom is kidding and when he isn't.
I use tea leaves, myself.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why I'm laughing!
"Aneurysm".
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by annthefan on Jul 6, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
First of all it’s “rumored” his wife had an influence. We are probably never going to be able to know or quantify the percentage of influence she may of may not of had in regards to Hedo’s decision.
Like yourself, I’ve been upset about how this whole Hedo situation played out. I don’t like that he verbally commited and we had a deal in principal and then he backed out. I do think he deserves criticism for that action.
These are the things we CAN know. When it comes to personal motivation to make a decision, I think only Hedo, maybe his agent and Mrs. Turkoglu really know how much every factor, money, location, family concerns, affected the decision. I’m going to say I’m upset at Hedo for seemingly commiting and backing out, but I’m not going to call him less of a man or criticize him for maybe listening to his wifes concerns, as unfounded as I think they might be, (because I love Portland and Oregon) .
So simply I agree, I think we need to keep some perspective. I’ll probably take every opportunity to Boo Hedo the rest of his career BUT not his wife, and/or because he may or may not of listened to her.
I’m going to boo him because I feel he and his agent used The Blazers, probably were less than genuine the entire time about the reality of Hedo signing. Going so far as to allow a “deal in principal” to exist, then backing out. This wasted valuable and precious time for The Blazers and I think has The Blazers scrambling to try and find out what else might be possible. For that I’ll Boo Hedo.
I’’d also like to say this much, with the passage of a few hours, I’ve gone back again and watched the video of Hedo arriving in PDX and talking to the media. He does kind of seem like the guy that casually arrives at the car lot to get some information and test drive a car but get’s decended upon by the entire sales staff who want to “get him in that car today”. In the interview he never commits to Portland, he always says the interest is what you want if you are a player, and that he’s “just going to see”. I still don’t like that he allowed a deal in principal to exist, and I still don’t like being snubbed at the final minute. But with some time for emotions to cool, I’m wondering if The Blazers didn’t overestimate their ability to sign Hedo. We can only wait and see if they had much of a plan B or how quickly they can form a plan “B”.
Ultimately, Hedo Turkoglu did what he “thinks” is best for him today.
It remains to be seen if The Blazers have an alternate plan, or the ability to adjust for themselves tomorrow.
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by Krang on Jul 5, 2009 5:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice analogy on the video
I just re-watched it after reading your post and agree it did seem a little off.
by Blazer Fan in Chicago on Jul 5, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backing out
I know all businesses are different in some ways, but in my experience of hiring people, it’s not so uncommon to have someone shake your hand at the end of the interview, telling you the job sounds just fine, but then balk at signing the contract when it’s mailed to them. We don’t count “agreed in principle” as a done deal, and we sure don’t take it personally if someone changes their mind. If they end up having doubts about the rightness of the fit, we’d prefer to find someone else anyway. No feelings of having been deceived, no hurt feelings.
So what’s the difference? With all due respect to the folks who write the stories we read everyday, it seems to be the media that makes the difference—reporters and writers rushing to be the first one to break a story, everyone trying to put the right spin on what seems to be occurring, thousands of fans buying the spin (in this case starting to believe that, yeah, Hedo DOES seem like he can help us out after all), and before long the spin on the rumor has encouraged us to move from skepticism to hope to becoming emotionally invested in some unfounded expectations. When the truth comes out, we take it personally. What’s wrong with Portland? we ask. What’s wrong with us? We thought we were more desirable than that!
Maybe what we need, assuming we can’t get a more cautious media, is to become more cautious readers.
by VTDuck on Jul 5, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Sheridan reported that the Blazers were livid.
I doubt that. Disappointed, maybe a bit frustrated. Livid? Hyperbole.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cautious?
Fortunately or Unfortunately in Portland, The Blazers are going to be under a huge media microscope. Dwight Jaynes today is saying The Blazers should of been more low key in dealing with Hedo. Well they could try, but good luck getting the media to back down. More cautious readers? Well Blazer fans are passionate. Maybe we go overboard and “live and die” with each game, season, draft pick and free agency move, but even if sometime it’s agravating I wouldn’t trade that for anything.
In anycase, we can debate forever how Hedo would of helped, hurt, assisted or hampered The Blazers over the course of a 5 year contract. Now we will never know. Maybe nothing Hedo or his agent did is “technically” wrong. But I still think if you meet face to face and are having direct negotiations, agreeing in principal and then backing out, with no real explanation other then “rumors” is not an action I respect. The fact that it happens to a lesser degree in other “business” related negotiations doesn’t change the fact that I don’t like it. Sure what have we learned? I suppose in business you can’t count agreed in principal as a done deal. As a fan and I think it’s key that I’m saying this as a fan, I do take it somewhat personal. The Blazers were completely transparent about their desire and motivation to sign Turkoglu. Without behind the scenes access I get the feeling Hedo wasn’t conversely as open about his attainability. Legal yes, happens to a lesser degree in a lot of business hiring? maybe…..still classless and upsetting to Blazer fans? also yes.
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by Krang on Jul 5, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect negotiations by the Blazers to be hush-hush from here on out
I hope I don’t know about a deal until it is done. Does it kill the fun a little? You bet (to borrow a KP phrase). But it is the prudent way to go. Please no more airport entourages. Quietly scoot them into town on a private jet and town car.
Agents will still try to leak things though.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jul 5, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post.
Misogyny is tough to stop once it gets rolling (like racism, gay-bashing, etc.) and when a couple dumb pack journalists pop off with the utterly unsubstantiated “his wife likes Toronto” line, that set the table for a little fiesta of chauvinist piggery, making her the scapegoat.
I personally think Hedo was a great fit for Portland in terms both of basketball style and personality. I’m sorry he landed elsewhere, but I understand.
Toronto offered him more money and won the auction, as nearly as I can tell. They were clearly his primary target-destination all along, they just had to make the difficult decision to cut ties with Matrix, Delfino, etc. and spend the big bucks on Turk…
Toronto will suck five years from now and Portland will not. Take that much consolation, if you need some.
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by timbo on Jul 5, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Blazers needs? The Blazers still need a back up power forward and IMO Antonio McDyess is that player that they need at that spot. And McDyess is a very good Vet.
Mark ‘Dyess’ down for a double-double each night. After re-joining Detroit mid-season, the polite veteran posted a workmanlike 10 points and 10 rebounds per game. McDyess could replace Yao in Houston, where he, coincidentally, has his off-season home. But if KP can Make him an offer and let him know Portland is where he needs to be if he wants a RING. The Blazers need McDyess as their back up power forward/Center. And he won’t cost as much as Lee and IMO you get the same thing from both players. And I like D.Harris better then A.Miller and that just MO
by billyjoejack on Jul 5, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some of you really don't get it
In relationships we are equal I consult my wife with all major decisions in my life, I wouldn’t just up and say one day “hey babe were moving to Alaska pack a coat” with out consulting with her the same as she wouldn’t come home and say “darling Ive decided I wanted to pursue a career in stripping” In relationships you have to compromise. Who cares if Hedos wife was a major decision in him not playing in Portland, Im sure Hedos wife has to compromise quite a bit in a relationship with an NBA player so its probally fair. I know me personnally Im very happy that me and my wife respect each other enough to consult each other on all major decisions, sure sometimes I have to give up a few things and sometimes she does to but the Happiness I get in return from being with her is worth so much more to me then what Ive had to give up.
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by jlarose78 on Jul 5, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do know that the proposition of living and having physical relations with that one and
only person for the rest of my existence makes about as much sense to me as waking up and eating the same box of cereal for my entire life. I prefer more diversity over stability i suppose.
But, with that said, if you’re gonna go the marriage route – things should definitely be 50/50 and family should always be priority #1.
+ more $$$, less tax, bigger Turkish population, and a city that offers every thing that Portland does + more – had a say in his decision as well :p
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by Net Ranger on Jul 5, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My experience
has been that my favorite cereal has gotten better and better the longer I wake up and eat it :)
I think you’re right that the extra money didn’t hurt and it seems likely that the large Turkish population probably helped Toronto too…
by Blazer Fan in Chicago on Jul 5, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget the wife angle, there are more significant reasons to be glad he didn't stay.
The only players I want on our team are those who want to be here, and those who want to win. Hedo wasn’t either of those things.
The fact that he walked away from Orlando after five years culminating in a trip to the finals was all I needed to know that I didn’t want him here. Think about it, besides Hedo himself, Orlando is a young team, and if they made the finals this year, why wouldn’t you want to stay? Money, you say? Well, speaking of money, I’d bet some that he actually would have made MORE money staying in Orlando. No state income tax coupled with the extra cash players get for playoff runs (which Toronto won’t be making anytime soon), and you have a guy who is not only greedy, but can’t do math.
Then there’s winning. Orlando was two games shy of as much winning as possible in the NBA, and there’s no reason to think there wasn’t more of that in the near future. Portland also offered a strong possibility of significant winning. Toronto, not so much.
Guys who make their decisions based solely on money usually disappear before the ink is dry on the contract. I’d take someone who is hungry for a title, and who is interested in being on a good, young team with lots of potential.
Honestly, Hedo only seems like a big deal because this was a weak free agent market for the holes we needed to fill. We will find a better fit, count on it.
by superfly05 on Jul 5, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it. What's the big deal about Hedo not signing?
I’m astounded by all the personal attacks.
- Those in the “I’m relieved!” camp are calling him overpaid garbage.
- Those in the “I’m upset!” camp accuse him of using us and going against his word and being a wimp and a loser.
So what that he said “I’m in” and then went with Toronto? Would you really want Hedo or any player to make that deal against his wishes? So what if the Raptors are a lottery team during his tenure there while we collect rings? If winning a championship is not the number one priority for Hedo and his wife, who cares? It just means he wasn’t the right fit for the Blazers.
And what’s the big deal about the money the Blazers would have paid him? Isn’t that not anyone’s problem except Paul Allen and KP? Some of you talk like they were planning to Pay Hedo out of your allowance.
If KP & team wanted Hedo, he would have been a great add for us. He took what seemed to him a better offer. I’m not relieved he didn’t sign, but no hard feelings that he changed his mind, either.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I got a better question
If Hedo doesn’t make you a championship team, is he really worth it?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but if we have to have Hedo to get a ring or three,
we aren’t as close as we thought anyway.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I'm confused.
I thought it makes you less of a man to listen to women. Sounds like Mr. Turkoglu could learn a lot from studying the great Wilt Chamberlain.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 5, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting quote from late in Wilt's life:
“With all of you men out there who think that having a thousand different ladies is pretty cool, I have learned in my life I’ve found out that having one woman a thousand different times is much more satisfying.”
by Blazer Fan in Chicago on Jul 5, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously that was just the dementia talking.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 5, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, wait until my wife hears that!
Is that true for women, too?
by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Hedo fiasco is no big deal
how come no one has pulled that crap since Boozer bolted 4 years ago. And we all know what a great and loyal man is Boozer. Good riddance to their ilk. KP has rebuilt the team including high character as a metric. Hopefully that will continue even at the expense of a so so season this year. The only player that will get us over the top is Greg Oden and that may not happen for two or three more years. Could be sooner if you remember Walton.
by oregonslee on Jul 5, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he's not a trailblazer, so i could care less about him and wife
[sobbing]
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by appel82 on Jul 5, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great perspective.
Thanks BFIC
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by prezofdeath on Jul 5, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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