Do I get it? Do I NOT get it?
I'd like to pose a few questions, and offer a few opinions. In light of Hedo Tukoglu's sudden "snubbing" of Portland for Toronto. One of the first specters to arise is the phrase " Portland can't attract top notch Free Agents". I've never believed that, and even with this unfolding with Hedo, I still don't. Here's why....
In the glory days of Bob Whittsit, Paul Allen threw money at The Blazers like a sugar crazed 10 year old throws marshmallows at a campfire. I think a lot of teams have caught up with The Blazers in terms of available amenities, but I also remember that The Blazers were one of the first teams to have their own private, specially modified team plane, courtesy of Paul Allen. Now that has become more common, but it wasn't so much 15-20 years ago. I also remember reading articles with quotes from players of the period that The Blazers franchise had the reputation of treating it's players right. In terms of quality of facilities, catering, air-travel and perks. Portland WAS a location that free agents wanted to come to. Through free agency or trades we attracted and/or obtained players that were very coveted by other teams. Scottie Pippen, Rod Strickland, Mario Elle, Danny Ainge and Detlef Shrempf...they all decided to wear the Red and Black...of course it didn't hurt that the team was a perennial playoff contender and had been seen in the finals more than once. Yes, some were trades, but we know players that are 1/2 way decent in the N.B.A. can Nix a trade by simply complaining publicly that they don't want to go to that team. Usually that ends it right there. Pippen, Strickland (first time around) and Ainge and Shrempf (first time) were all players that would of had that trump card, and they did NOT play it. They wanted to come to Portland. In a time of recession, I've got to believe playing for a owner such as Paul Allen should be a huge draw for players. Even right now, when many owners are instructing management to cut costs, Allens only public decree has been his desire to upgrade the roster. That's a HUGE benefit to being a Blazer. Paul Allen has got to be one of the best owners in which to play for, thus making The Blazers a desirable destination.
By the way, semi-related. Do you think it hurts The Blazers when rumors leak that we tried to obtain Shaq but he say's he Nixed the trade because he didn't want to come to Portland? The Blazers can deny it, but it becomes We Said, He Said and I've got to think a lot of players read statements like that and have to think....Hmm..why doesn't Shaq want to play for Portland...( I think it does hurt).
In the wake of Hedo this one hurts, and bother me the most. The Idea that Portland, as a city and location is undesirable. We might never know in the Hedo situation what real percentage of reality this might of had in his decision but the rumor that his wife wanted Toronto because she felt it was more "European Friendly" and/or Cosmopolitan is out in the public psyche. What bothers me is that Blazer fans themselves have a tendency to take this image to heart themselves...we can be an insecure fan base, and it doesn't take much for us to start beating our chests and crying woe our NW. Hicksville ways, we can't compete with LA, NY as destinations...woe is us... I call BS on those fans.
What a person might like in a city is individual and subjective. I think a higher degree than the norm of Blazer players have decided they like Portland and The NW so much after being here that they have decided to stay after their tenure as Blazers is finished. Channing Fryeevidently LOVES Portland. Not to sound like a travel brochure, but I've been to NY and I've been to London, and yes I'm prejudice because I live here but as much as I liked NY and liked London, I wouldn't trade the NW or Portland for either. In Oregon, you have the rivers, the mountains, the desert, the forests and a diversity of environments all within less than a days drive from almost any location. Find that anywhere else. Plus don't let it out, but it doesn't rain as much as people outside of Oregon like to think. In any case, of course it all depends on what a person personally wants from a environment, city and state but to think Portland and Oregon isn't desirable IMO is ridiculous. No we aren't the Hollywood Mecca, we aren't The Big Apple, but why should we assume that NOT being those things is a bad thing?
Along the same argument, I say with these players and players families even if Portland doesn't seem to fit the mold or environment you want, why should it matter much? Hedo and almost any free agent that we might desire that would make a difference, would make millions of dollars. These players are wealthy men. Just as an example, use Hedo. My feeling is during the playing season, these players are traveling and working and practicing a lot. A gym is a gym is a gym. Whether in NY, LA or Tualatin. Sure, during home stands and breaks it's desirable to have family around, but again these guys are very wealthy. Multiple residences are something they can easily afford. How hard would it be for Mrs. Turkoglu to live WHEREVER she wished, and then fly in to Portland from time to time to be with Mr. Turkoglu in a Portland residence? 1/2 the time of a season or more, these players are on the road, which means their environment is planes, buses and hotel rooms in cities ranging from Portland, Utah and Toronto to NY and LA. In the off season, they can live wherever they want. So I don't get it? Portland not "Cosmopolitan" enough for you? No Hollywood Agents lurking? Not enough Paparazzi? Go ahead, in the off-season go where ever you want to be. If during the season you are lamenting the absence of these things I'd suggest you aren't focusing on your job enough.
So that's it. I don't buy or accept the idea that Portland isn't a desirable location. I don't label The Blazers or myself as living in some "second class" environment that doesn't appeal to basketball players. I'm sure in the next few days, in light of Hedo I'll be forced to hear the moaning lament of how Portland can NEVER attract the big name free agent...I don't buy it, I don't believe it, and I do not get "fans" that want to put themselves down by attaching that label to themselves. Uber Wealthy and Generous Owner willing to spend for success, Beautiful City and State, a fan base that if it has a weakness, might be that it is OVER devoted. Good luck finding those elements in Toronto, or NY, LA or Cleveland (for Mr. Shaq O' Neal) .
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Thank you for that
Seems that there aren’t enough positive people around sometimes.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
This is definitely a sub plot for this offseason
Shaq has no desire to be here, Turkey (or his wife) thinks we are not Cosmopolitan enough. LaMarcus mentions things about living in Portland and we have heard the same thing with Greg and Rudy. Thank goodness we have the fandom that we do that pushes the good characters over the edge (B.Grant, Lucas, Blake, etc.) Hopefully we can do the same with our current group, especially Greg, Rudy and LaMarcus. Makes you think of how hard of a sell job Pritchard and company have to do.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
I am a little worried...
that the negative momentum caused by Shaq’s remarks, followed by Turkoglu snubbing the Blazers, might carry over and send a subliminal message to other potential free agents, or worse, to some of our players who we will have to re-sign (LMA, Oden, Rudy).
perspective...
maybe i can lend a bit of perspective albeit only my OPINION and not based in any fact… i grew up in new england… mass specifically and later went to college and lived in georgia for 13 years before moving here 10 years ago… i’ve also been around the block a few times as they say… i think it also bares mentioning… i’m not white… beyond that it doesn’t matter what i am… but i think that’s important for what i’m going to say…
i love pdx… if i didn’t i would have moved a long time ago… but after growing up outside of boston (no i’m not a celtics fan) and living it atlanta (not a hawks fan either)…. and spending time in other major cities… there’s a reason portland is a small market. it’s a small city/huge town… and what’s more… it’s very provincial… and i can say that because i come from one of the most provincial and snooty places on earth… we’re not called massholes for nothing… but coming here from the south… which is super friendly for the most part… it’s an adjustment… people here aren’t very friendly… i know you’d like to think you are but you it’s not true… especially compared to other parts of the country… i don’t mind the weather… it’s a lot like new england… w/out all the snow and noreasters… so really a bonus for me… but if you’re used to a more mild climate… you probably won’t dig it… amenities… the food is good… but not world class… and it’s not a 24 hour city… again… things i can live w/out… some people can’t… pdx tends to be hostile and unwelcoming to people who are different read: minorities/outsiders… i’ve got my experiences with this… as i’m sure do other minorities… sorry that so many people self identify as “liberal” but that doesn’t mean “not racist” i would imagine that for young minorities with a lot of disposable income this would not seem like an appealing place to live… unless of course… you can live w/out things i mention above and you like the mellow laid back “liberal” vibe of the city… ie. channing frye…. if you’re from the “real” inner city… i would imagine portland would seem like a big town more than a city…
boston gets a similar rap in that it’s hostile to black athletes… it is. if you’re a sports fan you know the history… not worth repeating here…. but i hate boston… i think it’s one of the most racist cities in the u.s…. did i mention i lived in the south? jackson mississippi seems liberal compared to boston…
anyway… as a minority from outside the n.w. i can honestly say i love it here despite racist remarks from my fellow citizens…the likes of which i hear more than i did in 13 years of georgia… and despite other shortcomings (like the economy in the toilet) it’s a great place… i look forward to spending another 10+ years here if not longer… but try and keep in mind that not everyone especially a european player or a minority from back east would find portland the best fit… i think besmirching someone for that is bush league… and wouldn’t you want someone who actually wants to be here? or who doesn’t have to hear it from the wife everytime they go home what a hell hole it is? proving in fact that maybe it’s more than the $ for some athletes… quality of life… who knew?
meanwhile… when i heard about the hedo deal it felt wrong… probably better that it fell through anyway… i would like to think he wasn’t playing games and as i’ve read it suggested that he was truly conflicted… but you can’t blame the dude for being a shrew businessman and for his and his wifes tastes… .
Well stated
Your experience and perspective sheds some light on Portlands challenges in trying to compete as a small market against big market teams. The long shadow cast by the LA Lakers definately reaches and covers Portland…
I was raised in the Portland area (Vancouver) but I have lived in So Cal for the last 25 years and will probably stay here the rest of my life. Nevertheless, my sporting roots are deeply in the Northwest and I am a die hard Blazer fan and Laker hater. It pains me to see Portland work so hard to build and grow their franchise through generous ownership and skillful management, with loyal fans and players the community can be proud of. Then in contrast, I see the Lakers who basically just wait for the next nugget to fall in their laps, i.e. Pau Gasol last year, Derek Fisher the year before, and now Ron Artest. Artest stated that he would play in LA for FREE!!
I don’t know what the answer is and there probably is no good answer. Just that it will be soooo sweet if and when we ever win a title….!!
you make some good points
The things that attract a more average person to Portland, environment and proximity to nature and things from OP, are not really the things that attract NBA players. Think about all the 20-30 year olds that live in Portland and whether or not they fit in with NBA players. It is definitely a touchy topic and one that skirts stereotyping, but I think Zuul got it pretty close.
Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.
What kind of racism do you find in Portland, zuul?
Is it overt racism where they call you names, or inadvertant where things are said or assumed out of ignorance?
R.E.C. hard!!
gutt check…. ouch. nice man.
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Good Topic
You have Mr. Roy and Mr. Webster both being from WA… Stating the obvious…
The concept of being a multimillionaire in one’s twenties could be an additional factor to this topic. I don’t know how, but it could. If the choice were given and you were some kind of basketball Mozart, what city would you prefer to play in? Would you play overseas? I might.
Actually, I’m seriously considering playing professional basketball overseas after thinking about this…
Here's what I'm thinking if I'm an NBA player visiting Portland:
- I hear it rains a lot.
- Too many trees. It feels claustrophobic, especially at night.
- I hate rain and clouds.
- Too many bicycles in the way of my limo.
- Just washed my Escalade and now it’s raining again.
- Every road game means thousands of miles of travel and two or three time zones, even for division rivals. Didn’t there used to be a couple of other teams up here?
- What’s with the rain in late June? Give it a rest!
- Volcanoes make me nervous.
- There must be 26 words here for rain.
- No Cheesecake Factory downtown? I’m outta here! Plus I’m sicka this rain.
























