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Reports: Hedo Changed His Mind, Likely to Become a Toronto Raptor

** This post will be regularly updated as news comes in **

In a complete about-face from this morning's initial report, Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers no longer have an agreement in principle in place.  

Questions about the agreement were first mentioned by Ric Bucher on ESPNews and later raised by Jason Quick of The Oregonian.

Multiple reports now cite the Toronto Raptors as Hedo Turkoglu's likely destination, with a potential deal in the neighborhood of 5 years and $56 million, an offer that Portland cannot easily match.

This turn of events is a crushing blow to the carefully-laid free agency plans of Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan.

ESPN summarizes the turn of events...

After ESPN.com reported the agreement in principle, several news organizations confirmed it, using sources. Late Friday afternoon, the Oregonian reported that Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard and Turkoglu's agent, Lon Babby, had not confirmed the deal, but that talks were continuing.    

Jason Quick of the Oregonian is reporting...

After a hectic 24 hours of face-to-face negotiations, The Oregonian has learned that free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu rejected the Trail Blazers' $50 million offer and announced he will look for another team.

"He's not coming,'' a source familiar with the negotiations said Friday evening.

In the end, it wasn't the money, it wasn't the team, and it wasn't the length of the contract.

"It just wasn't the right fit,'' the source said. "When you are talking about that much money, everybody involved has to feel great. If you don't on either side, it doesn't work.''

ESPN's Ric Bucher reported that Turkoglu's wife played a major factor in the decision

David Aldridge of NBA.com is reporting...

An already crazy free agent period in the NBA got downright bizarre on Friday, with the supposed sure deal between free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers falling apart late in the afternoon, with the veteran seriously contemplating taking an offer from the Toronto Raptors that may be in excess of the five-year, $50 million proposal the Blazers have had on the table since the start of the negotiating period on Wednesday.

"He won't be coming" to Portland, a league source said late Friday.    

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting...

Free agent Hedo Turkoglu has backed out of his commitment to the Portland Trail Blazers and plans to sign with the Toronto Raptors, a source close to the talks told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50 million deal with the Blazers, but changed his mind and could be headed for a five-year, $56 million deal with the Raptors.

ESPN.com and Ric Bucher now report...

Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu has broken off negotiations with the Portland Trail Blazers, a source told ESPN's Ric Bucher on Friday night.

Yahoo! Sports reported that Turkoglu backed out of his earlier commitment and has his sights set on Toronto. Yahoo! Sports reported that Toronto can offer Turkoglu about $6 million more than Portland, but would have to trim its roster to do it.

Friday night, a report from the National Post newspaper in Canada said Turkoglu was close to signing with the Raptors, who could have to consider renouncing the rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino.    

Bruce Arthur of the National Post writes....

The Toronto Raptors are very close to signing Orlando Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu as a free agent, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. The franchise had been weighing the move for days, and it was even reported yesterday by numerous outlets that the Turkish forward had signed with the Portland Trail Blazers.

But Turkoglu broke off negotiations with Portland late in the evening, and appeared headed for Toronto. The Raptors could offer a deal beginning around US$10-million per year for as much as five years, with annual raises bringing the contract's maximum total to somewhere near US$56-million.

The deal does require Toronto to gut the team's roster depth, since Turkoglu's deal will force the team to renounce the rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, and Carlos Delfino. It may also force the Raptors to forgo the use of the mid-level exception, which was about US$5.5-million last year.    

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com, who confirmed ESPN's report this morning, now writes...

Hours after agreeing in principle to a five-year contract with the Trail Blazers, free agent Hedo Turkoglu abruptly ceased negotiations and appears headed to the Toronto Raptors, a person directly involved in the negotiations told CBSSports.com.

"Hedo is headed to Toronto," said the person, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. "To sign."

But after a whirlwind day in which Turkoglu and his representative, Lon Babby, gave a verbal commitment to sign with the Blazers -- or were done in by what one rival executive termed "too many leaks and not enough info" -- determining Turkoglu's final landing spot is best left to those getting the signatures.

The situation was rapidly unfolding, and it was unclear Friday night whether Turkoglu had second thoughts or Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo swooped in and played his trump card -- the fact that Turkoglu and his wife were said to prefer landing in Toronto.     

Henry Abbott has just posted the following...

Then, according to sources, something crazy happened. Hedo Turkoglu shifted course, deciding late in the day that he wanted a different house. 

The Raptors had been serious in their pursuit of Shawn Marion and Carlos Delfino. Now the most likely scenario is that they'll be renounced or traded, along with Anthony Parker. To clear the kind of cap room that would be required to sign Turkoglu would probably take renouncing every free agent Toronto has, including Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Jake Voskuhl and some cap holds from players overseas. That would give the Raptors room to offer Turkoglu more money than Portland was offering -- although there are plenty of details left to be worked out, especially as Toronto may first try to trade some of those players instead of letting them go for nothing.

Toronto, as a roster and a city, offer an international flavor that Portland does not have. And with similar money, that proved more appealing than anyone had thought it would.

As for the Blazers? Well, no one likes wasting all that time almost getting a deal done. But there are worse thing than being back on the market, with nearly $9 million a year to spend. 

More from Ken Berger of CBSSports.com. He writes..

The details of how Turkoglu would wind up with the Raptors were sketchy. But given the fact that Toronto had already engaged in discussions about re-signing Marion and Delfino -- with varying degrees of progress -- signs pointed to a more complicated sign-and-trade avenue. That would entail multiple parties signing on, including the Magic, who have quietly stayed in the background of Turkoglu's quest for a new home after acquiring Vince Carter from the Nets last week to protect themselves against losing him. Such a scenario could drag on for days because of the moving parts involved, and the person familiar with Turkoglu's decision to spurn the Blazers for the Raptors did not know the details of how it would be worked out.

It is believed that Turkoglu's preference for Toronto was not the only factor. As always, money was the other, according to a source. In order to trump Portland's expected five-year, $50 million offer, Toronto would've needed to renounce its rights to Marion, Delfino, and Parker. Doing so would've allowed the Raptors to exceed the max Portland could pay by about $800,000 annually. It wasn't clear Friday night whether Portland drove a harder bargain after seeing Toronto's options dwindle; whether Colangelo swooped in with an 11th-hour bid; or whether Turkoglu's camp simply had second thoughts or believed it could get a better deal from the Raptors.

If anything was clear in this bizarre negotiation, it was that Turkoglu's discussions with the Blazers appeared irreparably broken.

"It's called an agreement in principle," one source said in describing the agreement between Turkoglu and the Blazers, without elaborating.    

UPDATE (8:40PM): MICHAEL GRANGE TORONTO GLOBE AND MAIL SAYS HEDO IS CONFIRMED AS A RAPTOR.

In a sudden rush at the end of a frenzied week, the Toronto Raptors have remade their roster and signed free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, The Globe and Mail has confirmed.

The versatile Orlando Magic forward appeared poised to sign with the Portland Trail Blazers until a late bid by the Raptors -- in excess of $50-million over five seasons for the 30 year-old -- caused the change of heart, even as Turkoglu was in Portland visiting with the Trail Blazers.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50-million (all currency U.S.) deal with the Blazers, but will sign with the Raptors for more than $10-million a season. Signing Turkoglu means the Raptors will have to renounce their rights to their existing free agents - Shawn Marion, Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker - to create the cap space for Turkoglu.

ESPN.com is now reporting...

Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu changed his mind Friday, deciding not to join the Portland Trail Blazers, opting instead to accept an offer from the Toronto Raptors, sources told ESPN.com.

The Raptors last-minute bid will give Turkoglu all of the salary-cap space they will get by renouncing their rights to Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino. The Raptors expect to have about $10.1 million in cap space to give to Turkoglu for his first-year salary; he would get an eight percent annual raise over the next four seasons of the deal, a source told ESPN.com.

The Raptors have until July 7 to renounce Marion, Delfino and Parker, so it remains a possibility and that a sign-and-trade deal could take shape. But as of now, it is straight up deal between Turkoglu and Toronto.
Turkoglu's decision to go to the Raptors sent shock waves throughout the NBA as he apparently became the first player to renege on an agreement in principal since Carlos Boozer left Cleveland for Utah in 2004.    

Bruce Arthur of the National Post now writes...

Make no mistake, this is a gamble. This is a roll of the dice in so many ways that the Raptors might as well put a roulette table at the end of the bench. That bench, incidentally, will now consist of a 6-foot-6 growler, a second-year point guard who looks 15, a guy whose nickname is Hump, and rotation players to be named later.

Yes, the Toronto Raptors, as they will soon be constituted, will be Chris-Bosh-as-a-rookie-thin, and short on stuff like rebounding and defence. But the pending acquisition of free agent Hedo Turkoglu is also a coup for a team whose relevance will be continue to be questioned until it makes some playoff noise. And it is sure as hell more likely to do that now that the team is very close to an agreement with Turkoglu, the 6-foot-10 forward from the Orlando Magic, as first reported Friday night by the National Post.

Bill Simmons tweets...

Hedo changed his mind in Portland after seeing Greg Oden limp towards him for a handshake. (Waiting.) What, too soon?

Seriously: Portland, you dodged a bullet. Hedo peaked 2 years ago. He might be 33 for all we know. You're better off. Trust me.

Mike Barrett writes...

... According to one very reliable source, I can tell you that Portland's part in this is over.

The Raptors are in a position to be able to reportedly offer Turkoglu a 5-year deal, worth over $56 million. The Blazers probably could get in a position to match that, but it wouldn't be easy, and I'm glad they're not trying to get there. As I'm sure you know, it's believed the Blazers were offering 5-years, $50 mill. 

Sometimes it's simply about money, and it appears this is one of those cases. That's not being critical of Turkoglu at all, that's just the way it is. He said as much at PDX Thursday afternoon upon arriving.

...

As others have reported, including ESPN's Ric Bucher, Turkoglu's wife apparently strongly favored Toronto over Portland, because of its international population and culture. Of course, we can't confirm at this point if that was truly a factor. I can confirm that she wasn't with him on this trip to Portland, so I'm not sure what she had to comp are it to. Either way, it doesn't matter now.    

UPDATE (9:45PM): Mike Barrett's post linked above has been pulled from Blazers.com.

UPDATE (9:57PM): To view a PDF of the blog post that was removed from Mike Barrett's blog, click here.

Tim Chisholm of TSN.CA writes...

I'm stunned.
 
Not because Hedo Turkoglu reneged on his deal with Portland, because all indications are that there was, in fact, no deal agreed upon.

Not because of the amount of money Hedo is being paid, because while it's more than he's worth it's the way the free agent game gets played.

UPDATE: (10:12PM) DAVID ALDRIDGE OF NBA.COM WRITES TURKOGLU HAS MADE VERBAL COMMITMENT TO TORONTO RAPTORS. 5 YEARS AND MORE THAN $60 MILLION.

Here's the link.

An already crazy free agent period in the NBA got downright bizarre on Friday, with the supposed sure deal between Orlando free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers falling apart late in the afternoon, and the veteran, late Friday evening, making a verbal commitment to the Toronto Raptors on a five-year deal that will pay him in excess of $60 million, according to league sources.

Turkoglu's change of heart--he was in Portland Thursday and Friday, meeting with team officials along with his agent, Lon Babby--came after the Raptors decided to do what they had been reluctant to do until then--renounce their rights to several of their own free agents, including forward Shawn Marion and guards Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino, in order to create the more than $10 million in cap room necessary to make a superior offer to Portland's.

A league source divulged late Friday that Portland's offer to Turkoglu was actually $57 million over five years, not the $50 million that has been reported. But by deciding to renounce their rights to the free agents, the Raptors can give Turkoglu a deal averaging more than $12 million annually. They only have a little more than $48 million committed for next season, including the first-year salary of rookie swingman DeMar DeRozan, taken ninth overall.    

Ric Bucher now reports...

Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu changed his mind Friday and decided not to join the Portland Trail Blazers, opting instead to accept a five-year $53 million offer from the Toronto Raptors, sources told ESPN.com.
The decision left the Blazers livid and was a huge coup for the Raptors, who have promised Turkoglu all of the salary-cap space they will have from renouncing their rights to Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino, which will likely add up to a starting salary in the $10.1 million range, with eight percent annual raises.

...

Turkoglu will make about $3 million more over the life of the contract than he would have made in Portland, but a bigger reason for his change of heart, a source told ESPN.com, was his desire to play in Toronto, a more international and cosmopolitan city -- one with a large Turkish population -- and his familiarity with the Eastern Conference after having spent the last five seasons with the Magic.

Turkoglu's about-face sent shockwaves throughout the NBA, and parallels were being drawn between his decision and the 2004 episode when Carlos Boozer reneged on a deal to re-sign with Cleveland after they released him from his contract, then stunned the Cavs by signing with Utah. The difference in this case, according to one person with detailed knowledge of the discussions, was that Turkoglu did not intentionally or unintentionally deceive the Blazers, but instead had a change of heart after giving the Blazers his word.    

John Hollinger opines on ESPN Insider... 

Anyone who saw the footage of Hedo Turkoglu meeting Blazers bigwigs at Portland International Airport on Thursday had to get a little bit of a weird feeling. Especially any married guys. Turkoglu came alone, amid rumors that his wife very strongly preferred to be in Toronto, and I remember thinking at that very moment that the Blazers recruiting pitch was doomed to failure. It was going to be tough to sell her on the charms of Portland if she wasn't there.

Thus, despite two days of Chamber of Commerce weather here in the Rose City, replete with blue skies and Mt. Hood views, and tours of the Blazers' first-rate training facility in Tualatin, Turkoglu isn't coming to the Blazers. After an 11th-hour Boozerang that will forever immortalize him as "Hedon't" in the local vernacular, the Turkoglus are heading to Toronto instead -- a place they never visited on this free-agent tour, apparently because they didn't need to be sold on it.
...

As for the Blazers, they can go in several directions from here, and can at least take comfort in the fact that they control the free-agent game until they make their next move. Portland might want to go after Sessions, a good young point guard who fills their need for a second quality pick-and-roll player -- albeit at a different position than Turkoglu.

They may also decide to punt on free agency and hope to play the trade market, but that's a risky strategy. If they don't get something done by the trade deadline, the opportunity will basically be gone forever because next year extensions for Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge will kick in, and it's not clear that somebody will come available who fits what they need.

They might also try to make a long-shot run at Lamar Odom, perhaps the best player left on the board and one who, like Turkoglu, could provide another offensive creator while swinging between the two forward spots. But the rainy weather and a location 90 minutes inland don't exactly jibe with Odom's stated preference to live on the beach. The most likely outcome of an Odom pursuit would be driving up the price for the rival Lakers.

Alternatively, the Blazers could try to target a Sixth Man shot creator like New York's Nate Robinson, or make a run at Philadelphia's Andre Miller, the latter not a great fit in my opinion, but a possibility given their need at the point.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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Just as I started warming up to the idea...

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Likewise

Would’ve been a fun first season at least…

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mee too...

but now i can go from being indifferent to hating him, which has its perks…

by retirecards51 on Jul 3, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts exactly...

"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen

by dougall5505 on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thirded

What an Ender.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Bean

He ain’t worth a Bean, and is definitely no Ender.

I just wish we had a Starter SF.

by 3pointer on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

More like a Bonzo Madrid.

A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT

by GustyJ on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hi

I’m Bonzo Madrid, vice president and general manager of Bird of Prey Motors here in the city of Emphysema. I will stand upon my head until this bird is dead. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twitter and Fanposts

Make it so this seems like old news to me. I love the internet and Toronto today.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yessssss!

Hedo to somewhere else.

Let him collect his six million more over five years and never make the playoffs.

Also, this is good for the Blazers.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

::chanting::

Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade!

by Furious Styles on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rather than having her windshield wipers on all the time?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take 40 and sprinkles over

-10 and ice every winter. In fact, I do!

Toronto is a great city, but I can’t stand the cold. The worst part about PDX winters is the dark cause we’re so far North. And we still beat Toronto on that.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The wierd thing is

I read somewhere that they met in Sacramento? You’d think she was a west-coast

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

they went to high school together..

by proaxis on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IN SACRAMENTO

It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It

by 12sharks on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

via Twitter

InsideHoopsI am told Blazers like Shawn Marion but have mixed feelings about offering him a big contract
less than a minute ago from mobile web

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What?

Obviously is Toronto is releasing him to sign Turk (ho plays the same position) for more money, Marion just isn’t worth it, right?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't want Marion

‘I’ve got to worry about my future,’ Marion said when asked if the uncertainty of Chris Bosh remaining a Raptor factored into his own decision. ‘I’ve got to be selfish right now because I can’t worry about nobody, I’ve got to worry about myself.’"
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/04/shawn-marions-plan-this-summer-be-selfish/

CNNSI’s Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix’s chemistry issues:
Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of the most statistically productive players in the league over the last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is looking to make a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns’ locker room has filtered through the league since Phoenix’s second-round ouster. If you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general manager called him “the worst locker room lawyer in the league”), those problems can only be attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on Phoenix’s bench. He wrote a book, 0:7 Seconds or Less, on his experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and Shawn Marion:
It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd was The Man, then Stephon Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004…Worse, Stoudemire before his injury, seemed to have settled into Second Man status behind Nash, leaving Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star reserve, Marion said, "Ever since I’ve been in Phoenix, I tried to make myself the face of the Suns on and off the court. That’s what it’s all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and D’Antoni are the dual faces, and whenever Marion’s face appears, Stoudemire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy. He appreciates Nash and gets along with him, but doesn’t feel the same about Stoudemire.

"Around here it’s Steve this and Amare’ that," says Marion. "What people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people. I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now. Don’t overlook that.

"The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think that’s wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kevin-garnett-rumors-expose-shawn-marion-s-issues-with-phoenix-suns-ar44363.html

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing with Marion is

No matter where Marion plays next year, he’s going to be angry, because he thinks he’s worth more than he’ll be paid.

Also, we don’t need a small forward, even a versatile defender small forward.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So an old fart who was recently in the finals and will definitely only continue to decline

doesnt want to be on a team that is a contender but choses a bunch of scrubs over us?

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes he would have

He’d have left the Magic and joined the Blazers. ;)

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Magic Fan with mutual respect here..

And yes I agree with the both of you, but in a sense he wasn’t coming back to Orlando regardless.. Especially since Orlando got Carter.

What up?

by snakethejake on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

now we can

pick up matrix for pennies on the dollar compaired to turk

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

List of players that are done but still get hype: Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Jermaine Oneal

None of those guys are good anymore. They have big contracts and can’t help a team win anymore.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

those players

on new contracts that are nowhere near their previous price tag, would still perform for what you pay for them. no longer “all star” but talent to bide us a couple years and vet exp/training at half the price of turk

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kidd still has some left in the tank.

Kidd actually had a pretty good year this last season. If we gave him a 2-3 year contract I’d be happy. I agree about the other 3 though.

by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kidd

shoots the 3 good….

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kidd can shoot the 3 as well as Blake

and more important, he’s an extremely smart player, who is 6’5" (aka big enough to guard a SG if the PG is too quick) and can rebound well. he’s very productive, wouldn’t be demanding of shots or w/e like some big name FAs, and has stated that he’d like to mentor a young PG.

not that he doesn’t have downsides but he’s way better than Blake.

by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marion will whine unless he's paid big bucks

No one can afford to pay him what he thinks he’s worth.

If management insists on signing him, we should make him an offer with only the first year guaranteed and anything else player options. He’ll opt out to try and make more money next year.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was warming up to Hedo to Oden PnR. Oh well.

I am kind of relieved, although I really hope there’s a solid back up plan or two. It really feels like a use or lose it moment for this team. 5 years 50m was absurd though.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

If Toronto ends up splashing $56m for five years, I’m more than happy to see him go. On to Plan B then.

by TheMadKiwi on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

A Pritchslap by any other name….

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2006 #1 pick

they pick Bargaini . while we pick up the 2 of the best in the draft LMA and Roy

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.

Portland+Turkoglu wasnt a good fit in the end. Fans didnt like him, his wife didnt like the city, Turkoglu didnt like the money.

Time to move on.

by NBA China on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we can get Marion for 2 years 12-15 million ill be glad to pick him up

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gross

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

he is a great rebounder for his position SF/PF (our backup PF problems solved too?) he is very atheletic and great perimeter defense. (Travis with Defense).
Why not? He will give you great highlight plays the whole garden will erupt

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These guys make a better case than I do

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2362

If you thought Hedo was overrated, then Marion is doubly so. Dude has attitude problems and he’s practically quit the last few years.

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow you're still posting

I haven’t seen you in ages.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Doubly so"

Marion is a better defender, rebounder & an all around more efficient player.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would even go

three years 18-20 mil

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just threw up in my mouth

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so sad

thats how i feel when i hear people wanting turk or hinrich….

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn dude long time no see

or long time no post

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been lurking

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We would be bidding our selves up in that deal.

Marion caused us to lose Turk if he would have just taken the 8 mill from Toronto we would have got Turk for 50 mill or lower. Marion would be lucky to get more then the midlevel now, seriously how will he get paid?

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum Point Forward that is some creative thinking Cabby

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, he started to run the pick and roll at the end of the year and showed pretty good court vision. He actually found the big man rolling a few times… novel concept.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Putting all your eggs in one basket sometimes backfires

It will be interesting to see what plan B is. It would be a shame if they missed out on someone by focusing all energy in one direction.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about that too

But who have we missed out on? Gordon, Ariza, and Artest? The only one I think would fit on this team is Ariza, and even then it’s just more young talent and not a veteran. I think we’ll be okay.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor Charlie V

We have not lost by trying.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charley V. we would have been out bid by Detroit unless we went crazy,

Rebounding is nice but Charlie isnt the piece we needed.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick said on Thursday that he had never seen Nate and KP so sure about something as they were about bringing in Hedo.

Think about that, all you Blazer fans who are rejoicing at this news

(The Darius Miles saga continues. And it bites)

I wonder if KP agreed (in principle) to renounce Freeland, or if that money would’ve made any difference?

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They know better than I

But I’m not sorry.

I didn’t like Hedo for the Blazers. When he spends the next five years declining, we’ll all be thanking our lucky stars he backed out of this deal.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care if he declines or not

What I will be looking at is the team success our team and the players we add and the toronto Raptors, every loss on a poor Raptor team will slowly over years convince him he made the wrong decision also the team will collapse after Bosh leaves.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if he tests the waters

long enough for all of the cap money to be spent, then come back at a cheaper price.

by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea what's next

Pritchard, time to wow me, because I’m utterly confused…

Chris Dudley for three!

by wilbjammin on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stomach punch. Now what?

What about Rudy + Trout + filler for Crash Wallace and Nazr Mohammed?

by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

More like when you ask a girl to a dance and all your friends think she’s horrible for you, then she ends up saying no.

A week later, you’re going to wonder what on earth you were thinking.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We could have had Wallace and Mohammed for Batum and RLEC at the TD.

We didn’t want to give up on Nic (or so I read in a few places).

by kobisportsguy on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich or Wallace.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1,000,000

my dream targets who are actually in a realistic reach. I would think we can only get one though. Outlaw + Blake works for either salary wise.

I would do something like Outlaw+Martell+Blake for Wallace and a resigned May. Then sign Bibby or whatever we can get with leftovers.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously - May?

They did not even tender him. The impression I have of May is a shorter Eddie Curry without the production but all the fat. Am I wrong?

PER = 6.2
FG% = 39.8%
WS = -0.3

by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because he's traded here doesn't mean he has to play, LetsBlaze can take care of him.

Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.

by The Pirate on Jul 4, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just have my doubts either of those are attainable

especially since Ben Gordon left the Bulls.

And Wallace may be Charlotte’s best player, and they played very well in the 2nd half (after getting used to Diaw and Bell). They came close to getting in the playoffs. They’re not going to trade Gerald Wallace away from Larry Brown for non-starters (Outlaw) and scraps.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First, Charlotte is in serious trouble financially. They don’t even have a summer league team.

Second, the Chicago FO might want to clear cap room for Wade in 2010.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Wade?

Doesn’t Rose already play there?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wade is a Chicago kid.

Rose is a point guard, Wade is a shooting guard. That would be a ridiculous starting backcourt.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be.

But Roy eats up smaller guards, then feeds them to his young.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wade is 2 inches shorter, but by no means smaller as he ways 3 lbs heavier in spite of the height difference.

Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.

by The Pirate on Jul 4, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was no homerun free agent this summer.

I’m disappointed with how things transpired, but I’m confident in KP. He’ll improve this team so way or another.

Not bitter by any means. Good luck to Hedo and his wife.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

can I be

Both happy and insulted at the same time?

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lopsided trade

So what are the possibilities for a lopsided trade that you’re most interested in? I’m not thrilled with any of the free agents still available (Marion’s gifted, but has an attitude I’ve heard). Let’s get someone who will be a good fit.

by VTDuck on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Attitude"

Has been played up bad by the media. I don’t buy it for a second. I don’t think he ever got proper respect for what he did in Phoenix, but around here he would be “the vet” he would take the minutes that Hedo was going to play.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 3, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More money and May and June off

Bye bye Hedo – thanks for considering us.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

LOL

Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview

by JWise on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about Batum. He's ready. He's not as accomplished as a vet, but playing him

won’t hurt the team.

Truth be told, I could watch the tream as is. If anyting, tweak the point guards, lessee if Penderaph can bang. Call it good.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace/Batum/Aldridge would be simply fantastic three forward rotation.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the burning desire is to maximize the cap space asset. My first preference is Hinrich. Second is Gerald Wallace, mainly due to the fact that he dominates the Lakers.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should take the advice of one Steven Crosby ...

 and love the one you’re with.

Seriously Cabs. You are always pining for some other player. Learn to love and trust the guys we already have.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 6, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, what a shocker.

I wonder who we’re gonna go after now.

by JoeBlazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Toronto is Canada's New York and Portland is............................ Portland.

If the dude’s not gonna be happy, best not to do the deal. We know he’d be great value this year and next — but 5 years down the road? Who knows…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't beat Buffalo Exchange

for your designer threads. ;-)

Seriously, Portland is the only place in the country where instead of bragging about how much they spent on something, people brag about how little. I love this place.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I know is..

If he/they wanted to pick Toronto over PORTLAND, then they got some real problems

by SugarMoses on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Portland Hedo was #4 In Toronto #2

And with Chris Bosh likely to leave next year he will be #1.

Does that have to do with fit?

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So I suggest everyone get out their GM cards and post up propositions because

KP needs to make his next decision better. He’ll be coming here to look for ideas.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure it was a bad plan

But we are better for trying and failing than for not trying. I am glad we didn’t pay major bucks for Ben Gordon and Charlie V.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

new ideas

trade for rubio so we have ricky y rudy combo
trade for crash

trade for amare

i’ve always thought this year would be better suited making a trade then getting a FA

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

people can complain about "character"

being that important to our franchise, how turk fit our model citizen type of player, but without having someone a little rough around the edges, we dont get that gritty playoff play.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a poor assumption

Poor character and gritty play are not synonymous. I’ll never understand why people think being a jerk is the same as being a strong player.

by zaruga on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mo Lucas is a really good guy, for example.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PLEASE no Amare!

Not a good fit at all. Doesn’t even try to play D.

by Dub9 on Jul 3, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there isn't any thing great on market we could go to MInnesota ask around

Find out how they would like us to spend our money and acquire the players they want combine that with a few players we have they like that we don’t need and trade for Rubio.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Muhahhahhhaaa,

All part of the plan – Kevin Pritchard.

I’m wondering if this wasn’t all a cleverly disguised plan to throw the whole NBA off of the trail of who KP really is after.

by Dmartyparty on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If only this would happen

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

this was the very first thing that went through my head when I found out Turk turned us down.

In any event, I’m thrilled that he doesn’t want to be here.

by jedge242 on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tour of Portland

included 5 Wal-Marts and two hours circling the rose quarter in rush hour.

by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also Included:

Weather simulation environment. Somebody followed Hedo the whole time with a hose set to sprinkle and a cloud cutout over his head.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview

by JWise on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Jason Quick said on Thursday (1080) that he had never seen KP and Nate be “so sure” about bringing in a player than Hedo

They just didn’t have quite enough scratch, and Mrs. Turk wanted to live in Toronto

I don’t know what Portland has to do to attract free agents. All L*A has to do is flash their gold and purple logo and they have FAs falling all over themselves to take less money to be a L*ker

It sucks to be small market. But we get to live in the best part of the best country in the world, so that makes up for it, I guess ;^)

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad Channing couldn't actually play the 4...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't that we are a small market

its that we aren’t international and aren’t a large city. TUrk isn’t getting large endorsements from being in toronto vs. portland vs. LA

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he probably will

if a city has a large population of your ethnicity, you’ll be influenced. You can get more endorsements from the local community plugging their products, and as a national hero to them already, it’s really win/win

by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know how I might

be able to send some thank you flowers to Mrs. Turkoglu?

by DrivetheLane on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Send them to hell

They’ll get to her eventually.

by LaoTzu on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

well

gut wrenching disappointment mixed with incredible relief i guess.

by Millz on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

i feel ya

"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas

by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you get pretty High?

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Six hours?!

Where have you been the last six days?

It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It

by 12sharks on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad someone else is going to overpay

Hedo couldnt be more overvalued right now

by RidiculousDownside on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

He could, if his name were Ariza

NBA role players gets a five year MLE deal in a thin FA year?

It’s Christmas in Houston!

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a great deal for Houston, actually...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ariza isnt good

if you look closely at some of arizas tattoos you’ll find:
Product of “The System”
Registered Trademark: Triangle Offense
Made in Your Imagination

by pdxlifer on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing better than not getting Hedo

Is getting another team to bankrupt themselves for him.

by conspirator5 on Jul 3, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes ripped my heart out twice now

"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen

by dougall5505 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

time to trade for gerald wallace?

get it done KP

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would think he would want to start

not be behind Aldridge like with boozer

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe......or maybe not.

You don’t think it’s possible he’d rather play at a team with a chance to win? No reason not to check anyway.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take him. He is cheap.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why pay a backup 6-8 mil, when we already pay a backup that much.. his name is vanilla gorilla O.o

that would be so much money for depth, when depth gets you to the playoffs, solid starters win in the playoffs

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is looking only to the MLE tops. Which I believe is ~5.6 mil.

I don’t believe he is expecting as much though.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed.... Success!

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bass is Millsap-lite.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly wrong. Millsap is Bass-lite.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Millsap is far better.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to watch the playoffs to realize this

Although it is really close. It’s just about what you’re looking for exactly.

by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, no

Millsap is way better. The abyss in their rebound rates speaks for itself.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

abyss *between

Damn the lack of an edit button.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Millsap is a better rebounder and slightly more efficient scorer.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Millsap is a decent enough shooter and a crazy good rebounder. I’d much rather have him, though he is a slightly worse fit.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why that's where Portland should put its money

You’re going to need to bid more than $8 million and that’s a lot of money for a guy who will be backing up Aldridge.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think either one will be cheap enough to be Blazers.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Getting either is an unlikely scenario.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You need 4 legitimate bigs...

and long term, whichever of these guys it’d be would be the #3 guy as Przybilla begins to go.

Thinking about free agent signings as only covering this year is a gigantic mistake for a team not likely to enter its window during the 09/10 season.

by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll always prefer a Przybilla like character backing up Oden

meaning Bass probably is the slightly better long term fit on this team. As good as it sounds to just have the three guys split all the frontcourt minutes, you can’t actually do that. Unless your backup center is more of a shooter, Bass probably would be more useful all around for us.

Why is everyone so down about Hedo? Victor Claver… hello?

by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if he turns into a point Forward over the summer.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, which one of you sabotaged his Portland pizza taste test?

Fess up, I’ll give you a Rudy Bobblehead. (not really)

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's be honest here, I love living in the west, but compared to the east, all pizza ion Portland pretty much sucks.

Did you know they put pineapple on it here? On pizza! Pinesappler for crying out loud.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? It's a block from my house

and all I’ve ever heard is to stay away.

But yeah – pdx’ pizza does kinda blow. My fav. is Escape from NY, but I’m not going all the way to NW 23rd to get it.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i also live in the area

and was told not to go there…. who knows

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

might

try it soon

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, I'll try it

Can’t hurt to try, and if it’s good, it’s so close that I could crawl the pizza home. Thanks!

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live on the East Coast (DC area)

And the pizza over here sucks. There are a few decent pizza joints in DC, but that’s about it. I haven’t found anything even close to as good as Pizzicato.

by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troof!

I lived in DC a couple years ago, I swear the best option there is Pizza Hut. Escape From NY, American Dream, Pizza Oasis, Pizzicato, Hot Lips if it were cheaper and they didn’t have this odd habit of caking burnt wheat germ on the underside but their soda is the greatest thing ever…you gripers don’t know how good you’ve got it.

by riptatermen on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think what you're referring to is

semolina. It’s used to slide the pizza off the pan into the oven. They’re supposed to scrape it off.

by giovanni on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh!

I’m learning so much today. Thanks, Hedo!

by riptatermen on Jul 3, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flying Pie is awesome

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy Pizzicato pizza.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you live here long enough, some Portland pizza will start to taste ok.

I quit drinking 23 years ago and now I find that O’Douls actually tastes like beer. Which isn’t surprising if you haven’t had a beer in 23 years.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost any pizza except

that xxxx they sell at the Rose Garden!

by blzrfan1938 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had pizza all over the country

Hot Lips is among the better stuff, for standard crust weight.

Star Pizza in Houston has the best deep dish I’ve tried, but I’m not a Chicago style type.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The National Pizza show is held every year in the west

Las Vegas. And you will find pineapple on many of the sample pies served there. Pizza in the USA is more west style than east and Chicago is a whole different world.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chi and NY do pizza different than everyone else

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a pie a Pizza Due once and it was wonderful, but the best pizza

was the kind I bought by the slice on the boardwalk in atlantic city, way back before they blew it up.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try Apizza Scholls

before passing judgement on “everyone else”

by jtkerr79 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

REC

Or Ken’s artisan pizza. Both are better than anything I have ever had on the east cost. By far!!!

by Dub9 on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree. Ken’s and Apizza Scholls are both fantastic.

by malarky on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which make them the weirdos

Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.

by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this talk of pizza is making me hungry now.

by Jaedin on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

West side, best pizza and Italian

http://www.nonnaemilias.com/

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I loved that place years ago

it’s time to go back. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've lived in New York for 20+ years and the pizza

is horrible. Floppy, greasy, rubbery. Horrible. Portland’s pizza is far better.

by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, no love for Old Town?

Come on people. I’d wear that like a terry cloth robe on a December morning if I could.

Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.

by MikeIrish on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's yummy

and the espressos are good too. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sign marion to a one year deal

then have cap freedom for the free agent class of 2010

?

"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas

by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

won’t have cap room due to escalating rookie deals of Oden, Rudy, Bayless, and Batum and Roy/LMA extensions.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would you go for at this point?

Out of curiosity what do you see as a realistic move he could do, that pleases both teams?

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're pretty much in agreement then.

At this point I would be happy with Wallace + Bibby, or just keep Blake but I imagine he goes away in most deals.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh. At this point bibby is a slightly better Steve Blake with a huge ego.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we lost Blake in a Wallace deal it would be difficult to find a replacement that fits.

Bibby is the closest thing to a Blake other than Hinrich. I can’t see us getting both Hinrich and Wallace though.

I’d rather have Blake than Bibby for the record.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think they’d want Blake in a Wallace deal, seeing as they have Augustin and Felton.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Rudy possibly, but do we want to give up that much scoring ability for Wallace?

In all honesty I don’t think Charlotte and Portland are good trading partners. I’d be happy to have Wallace though.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they get rid of Felton like the rumors suggest

Then Larry Brown might want a guy like Blake to backup DJ Augustine

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we lost blake in a wallace deal

id rather start bayless and keep mills on the team to back him up, plus sign some toss in vet for minimum

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

bibby is a no go in my mind

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m starting a “Crash, Captain, or Bust” campaign.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will join your campaign.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i sign off

on crash, but not captain.. i still like bayless better… call me a homer if you must.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

in my opinion, which everyone has one.. always different

is that if we speed up play just a little bit, it will better suit most of our advantages, i know roy likes it slow… but that would favor bayless over most anyone we could trade for aside from harris, and i dont see that happening.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They all say "Doh!"

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed.... Success!

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll add a name to the list

Marvin Williams

Sign him to a deal the Hawks aren’t willing to match. He can hit the three, he’s a glue guy, and he’s a lockdown defender.

Granted, he’s not filling the role of another playmaker. Without picking up a playmaker at the three, KP HAS TO HAS TO HAS TO upgrade the point. I know KP and Nate like Blake, but at least two of the three perimeter starters need to be able to do SOMETHING off the dribble. Too easy for elite defenses to shut down Roy otherwise.

I agree that Crash is the best choice…

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Duct tape makes you smart.

by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn’t mind Williams, but, as you say, we need an upgrade at the point.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

he can make his FTs

by pdxlifer on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of lowballing Hedo on a couple of levels

I dont think he is worth more than 9 mil for 4 years and it sends a" if you wont play for a few dollars less for a shot at a ring" message to Sessions,Bass act,

by southern oregon on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good point

Gamesmanship is critical in FA season.

Once Hedo inks with Toronto the only other teams with cap room will be the loser twins, the pooh bears and the “thunder”. If a FA wants a chance on a team with a winning record, it’s us or the MLE as a max.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it was an intentional lowball strategy

$10+ million a year is not low. I think we just got outbid. (Yay!)

by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"ESPN's Ric Bucher reported that Turkoglu's wife played a major factor in the decision"

Wow… What’s the big deal with Toronto? I guess I do remember Damon saying how much he really liked Toronto when he played there…

by R11 on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

very cool, international city.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is their weather better than Portland's?

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no...but I think it's the 4th biggest city between the US and Canada and it certainly an international city

I grew in Michigan and I can say the weather is NOT any better in the midwest. In fact, I find Portland winters much easier to handle.

by roner77 on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get to shovel snow for 4 months of the year.

Otherwise a cool city.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they can pay someone to do that

Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.

by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasw stationed in upstate NY

Near Toronto. I came home because you don’t have to shovel rain

by Cory2669 on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I spent a decade in upstate New York one winter……

63 consecutive days when the high temp was below freezing…..

6 months when the only colors in the landscape were white, brown, and gray…..

Came home and quit bitching about rain.

by upper left corner on Jul 4, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

::sound of whip::

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If your a fan of big cities

than Toronto >>>> Portland. Not a knock on Portland at all – I’ve lived here most of my life, and love it. That said, I would hate living in NYC. The pace, atmosphere – just not my deal. Hedo’s wife is probably on the opposite end of that taste spectrum, can’t really fault her, it’s just a matter of personal preference

Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009

by blazeraddict on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a positive

I like your spin on the positive…..

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opps that was for the post a few below

I agree about big cities and Toronto is one of the best.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is all the Governor fault

We should have opened up a turkish business or three and expanded a turkish community while adding a large City near by for fun excursions for the rich to go to.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Toronto have a Turkeytown?

Same reason why the first option for Koreans is LA/OC, NYC, or Seattle: Koreatownish areas. I wonder how I ended up here…
Seriously though… I just wanted to say Turkeytown.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And lost in all my interest over the whole Hedo thing

I’ve just suddenly realized that this means Bucher was right about something. Much to ponder tonight…

In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!

by wjb1492 on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SO lets see

Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza both agreed with new teams while we were busy fattening this old douche

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, thank goodness

No pole is long enough to touch Ron Ron with it.

And Ariza is like Hedo himself – finals flavor of the month.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better off with someone who wants to win...

Than someone who is only in it for the money. We have had those guys in the past and once they get paid it is break time. We need a winner and anybody who would pick Toronto over Portland obviously doesn’t care about winning.

by dfoz3 on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Particularly when the requirements for him to sign gut the bench of good roll players.

And marion was good too

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they left out the part where it wasn't the right fit for his wife.....

wow, I’m a woman, and I understand that maybe she didn’t want to live out here and I commend him on wanting to make his wife happy, but for Lord’s sakes, sometimes you got to look at the big picture and see that this Blazer team is going to go far and to support your husband and and then go out and buy a dang umbrella!! (although if you use the umbrella I will think you are a wuss)
…I feel like I’ve just been left at the altar…. People are going to be shaking their heads at this move……
This makes me thing we aren’t ever going to be able to win a championship because no one wants to come out here and play.

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha

It definitely feels reminiscent to being stood up by a date. The whole rain schtick is so overblown. Yeah it rains, big deal. After a while you don’t even notice it. Plus, it makes the sunny days all the more enjoyable because they are so rare.

by resurrect_ha28 on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This makes me thing we aren’t ever going to be able to win a championship because no one wants to come out here and play.

I feel ya

But we can’t abandon all hope. Free agency is just one avenue for KP to improve the ballclub and none of the Blazer players were “lost at sea” in this minor disaster

KP and Nate probably feel 1000 times worse tonight than any of Turk’s greatest supporters on Bedge. But they’ll bounce back and make the best of it. I DO NOT EXPECT them to take on a headcase like Shawn Marion “just because” they lost out on Turk, though. The mission statement doen’t change when times get tough; you still only want to bring “good people” into your organization. This is not a time to “settle for less” to just appear to be making progress!

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't hate on the guy

for trying to get in the best city for his family.
Large turkish population, much more european city and style of basketball.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs