Reports: Hedo Changed His Mind, Likely to Become a Toronto Raptor
** This post will be regularly updated as news comes in **
In a complete about-face from this morning's initial report, Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers no longer have an agreement in principle in place.
Questions about the agreement were first mentioned by Ric Bucher on ESPNews and later raised by Jason Quick of The Oregonian.
Multiple reports now cite the Toronto Raptors as Hedo Turkoglu's likely destination, with a potential deal in the neighborhood of 5 years and $56 million, an offer that Portland cannot easily match.
This turn of events is a crushing blow to the carefully-laid free agency plans of Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan.
ESPN summarizes the turn of events...
After ESPN.com reported the agreement in principle, several news organizations confirmed it, using sources. Late Friday afternoon, the Oregonian reported that Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard and Turkoglu's agent, Lon Babby, had not confirmed the deal, but that talks were continuing.
Jason Quick of the Oregonian is reporting...
After a hectic 24 hours of face-to-face negotiations, The Oregonian has learned that free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu rejected the Trail Blazers' $50 million offer and announced he will look for another team.
"He's not coming,'' a source familiar with the negotiations said Friday evening.
In the end, it wasn't the money, it wasn't the team, and it wasn't the length of the contract.
"It just wasn't the right fit,'' the source said. "When you are talking about that much money, everybody involved has to feel great. If you don't on either side, it doesn't work.''
ESPN's Ric Bucher reported that Turkoglu's wife played a major factor in the decision
David Aldridge of NBA.com is reporting...
An already crazy free agent period in the NBA got downright bizarre on Friday, with the supposed sure deal between free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers falling apart late in the afternoon, with the veteran seriously contemplating taking an offer from the Toronto Raptors that may be in excess of the five-year, $50 million proposal the Blazers have had on the table since the start of the negotiating period on Wednesday.
"He won't be coming" to Portland, a league source said late Friday.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting...
Free agent Hedo Turkoglu has backed out of his commitment to the Portland Trail Blazers and plans to sign with the Toronto Raptors, a source close to the talks told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.
Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50 million deal with the Blazers, but changed his mind and could be headed for a five-year, $56 million deal with the Raptors.
ESPN.com and Ric Bucher now report...
Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu has broken off negotiations with the Portland Trail Blazers, a source told ESPN's Ric Bucher on Friday night.
Yahoo! Sports reported that Turkoglu backed out of his earlier commitment and has his sights set on Toronto. Yahoo! Sports reported that Toronto can offer Turkoglu about $6 million more than Portland, but would have to trim its roster to do it.
Friday night, a report from the National Post newspaper in Canada said Turkoglu was close to signing with the Raptors, who could have to consider renouncing the rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino.
Bruce Arthur of the National Post writes....
The Toronto Raptors are very close to signing Orlando Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu as a free agent, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. The franchise had been weighing the move for days, and it was even reported yesterday by numerous outlets that the Turkish forward had signed with the Portland Trail Blazers.
But Turkoglu broke off negotiations with Portland late in the evening, and appeared headed for Toronto. The Raptors could offer a deal beginning around US$10-million per year for as much as five years, with annual raises bringing the contract's maximum total to somewhere near US$56-million.
The deal does require Toronto to gut the team's roster depth, since Turkoglu's deal will force the team to renounce the rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, and Carlos Delfino. It may also force the Raptors to forgo the use of the mid-level exception, which was about US$5.5-million last year.
Ken Berger of CBSSports.com, who confirmed ESPN's report this morning, now writes...
Hours after agreeing in principle to a five-year contract with the Trail Blazers, free agent Hedo Turkoglu abruptly ceased negotiations and appears headed to the Toronto Raptors, a person directly involved in the negotiations told CBSSports.com.
"Hedo is headed to Toronto," said the person, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. "To sign."
But after a whirlwind day in which Turkoglu and his representative, Lon Babby, gave a verbal commitment to sign with the Blazers -- or were done in by what one rival executive termed "too many leaks and not enough info" -- determining Turkoglu's final landing spot is best left to those getting the signatures.
The situation was rapidly unfolding, and it was unclear Friday night whether Turkoglu had second thoughts or Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo swooped in and played his trump card -- the fact that Turkoglu and his wife were said to prefer landing in Toronto.
Henry Abbott has just posted the following...
Then, according to sources, something crazy happened. Hedo Turkoglu shifted course, deciding late in the day that he wanted a different house.
The Raptors had been serious in their pursuit of Shawn Marion and Carlos Delfino. Now the most likely scenario is that they'll be renounced or traded, along with Anthony Parker. To clear the kind of cap room that would be required to sign Turkoglu would probably take renouncing every free agent Toronto has, including Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Jake Voskuhl and some cap holds from players overseas. That would give the Raptors room to offer Turkoglu more money than Portland was offering -- although there are plenty of details left to be worked out, especially as Toronto may first try to trade some of those players instead of letting them go for nothing.
Toronto, as a roster and a city, offer an international flavor that Portland does not have. And with similar money, that proved more appealing than anyone had thought it would.
As for the Blazers? Well, no one likes wasting all that time almost getting a deal done. But there are worse thing than being back on the market, with nearly $9 million a year to spend.
More from Ken Berger of CBSSports.com. He writes..
The details of how Turkoglu would wind up with the Raptors were sketchy. But given the fact that Toronto had already engaged in discussions about re-signing Marion and Delfino -- with varying degrees of progress -- signs pointed to a more complicated sign-and-trade avenue. That would entail multiple parties signing on, including the Magic, who have quietly stayed in the background of Turkoglu's quest for a new home after acquiring Vince Carter from the Nets last week to protect themselves against losing him. Such a scenario could drag on for days because of the moving parts involved, and the person familiar with Turkoglu's decision to spurn the Blazers for the Raptors did not know the details of how it would be worked out.
It is believed that Turkoglu's preference for Toronto was not the only factor. As always, money was the other, according to a source. In order to trump Portland's expected five-year, $50 million offer, Toronto would've needed to renounce its rights to Marion, Delfino, and Parker. Doing so would've allowed the Raptors to exceed the max Portland could pay by about $800,000 annually. It wasn't clear Friday night whether Portland drove a harder bargain after seeing Toronto's options dwindle; whether Colangelo swooped in with an 11th-hour bid; or whether Turkoglu's camp simply had second thoughts or believed it could get a better deal from the Raptors.
If anything was clear in this bizarre negotiation, it was that Turkoglu's discussions with the Blazers appeared irreparably broken.
"It's called an agreement in principle," one source said in describing the agreement between Turkoglu and the Blazers, without elaborating.
UPDATE (8:40PM): MICHAEL GRANGE TORONTO GLOBE AND MAIL SAYS HEDO IS CONFIRMED AS A RAPTOR.
In a sudden rush at the end of a frenzied week, the Toronto Raptors have remade their roster and signed free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, The Globe and Mail has confirmed.
The versatile Orlando Magic forward appeared poised to sign with the Portland Trail Blazers until a late bid by the Raptors -- in excess of $50-million over five seasons for the 30 year-old -- caused the change of heart, even as Turkoglu was in Portland visiting with the Trail Blazers.
Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50-million (all currency U.S.) deal with the Blazers, but will sign with the Raptors for more than $10-million a season. Signing Turkoglu means the Raptors will have to renounce their rights to their existing free agents - Shawn Marion, Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker - to create the cap space for Turkoglu.
ESPN.com is now reporting...
Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu changed his mind Friday, deciding not to join the Portland Trail Blazers, opting instead to accept an offer from the Toronto Raptors, sources told ESPN.com.
The Raptors last-minute bid will give Turkoglu all of the salary-cap space they will get by renouncing their rights to Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino. The Raptors expect to have about $10.1 million in cap space to give to Turkoglu for his first-year salary; he would get an eight percent annual raise over the next four seasons of the deal, a source told ESPN.com.
The Raptors have until July 7 to renounce Marion, Delfino and Parker, so it remains a possibility and that a sign-and-trade deal could take shape. But as of now, it is straight up deal between Turkoglu and Toronto.
Turkoglu's decision to go to the Raptors sent shock waves throughout the NBA as he apparently became the first player to renege on an agreement in principal since Carlos Boozer left Cleveland for Utah in 2004.
Bruce Arthur of the National Post now writes...
Make no mistake, this is a gamble. This is a roll of the dice in so many ways that the Raptors might as well put a roulette table at the end of the bench. That bench, incidentally, will now consist of a 6-foot-6 growler, a second-year point guard who looks 15, a guy whose nickname is Hump, and rotation players to be named later.
Yes, the Toronto Raptors, as they will soon be constituted, will be Chris-Bosh-as-a-rookie-thin, and short on stuff like rebounding and defence. But the pending acquisition of free agent Hedo Turkoglu is also a coup for a team whose relevance will be continue to be questioned until it makes some playoff noise. And it is sure as hell more likely to do that now that the team is very close to an agreement with Turkoglu, the 6-foot-10 forward from the Orlando Magic, as first reported Friday night by the National Post.
Bill Simmons tweets...
Hedo changed his mind in Portland after seeing Greg Oden limp towards him for a handshake. (Waiting.) What, too soon?
Seriously: Portland, you dodged a bullet. Hedo peaked 2 years ago. He might be 33 for all we know. You're better off. Trust me.
Mike Barrett writes...
... According to one very reliable source, I can tell you that Portland's part in this is over.
The Raptors are in a position to be able to reportedly offer Turkoglu a 5-year deal, worth over $56 million. The Blazers probably could get in a position to match that, but it wouldn't be easy, and I'm glad they're not trying to get there. As I'm sure you know, it's believed the Blazers were offering 5-years, $50 mill.
Sometimes it's simply about money, and it appears this is one of those cases. That's not being critical of Turkoglu at all, that's just the way it is. He said as much at PDX Thursday afternoon upon arriving....
As others have reported, including ESPN's Ric Bucher, Turkoglu's wife apparently strongly favored Toronto over Portland, because of its international population and culture. Of course, we can't confirm at this point if that was truly a factor. I can confirm that she wasn't with him on this trip to Portland, so I'm not sure what she had to comp are it to. Either way, it doesn't matter now.
UPDATE (9:45PM): Mike Barrett's post linked above has been pulled from Blazers.com.
UPDATE (9:57PM): To view a PDF of the blog post that was removed from Mike Barrett's blog, click here.
Tim Chisholm of TSN.CA writes...
I'm stunned.
Not because Hedo Turkoglu reneged on his deal with Portland, because all indications are that there was, in fact, no deal agreed upon.Not because of the amount of money Hedo is being paid, because while it's more than he's worth it's the way the free agent game gets played.
UPDATE: (10:12PM) DAVID ALDRIDGE OF NBA.COM WRITES TURKOGLU HAS MADE VERBAL COMMITMENT TO TORONTO RAPTORS. 5 YEARS AND MORE THAN $60 MILLION.
Here's the link.
An already crazy free agent period in the NBA got downright bizarre on Friday, with the supposed sure deal between Orlando free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers falling apart late in the afternoon, and the veteran, late Friday evening, making a verbal commitment to the Toronto Raptors on a five-year deal that will pay him in excess of $60 million, according to league sources.
Turkoglu's change of heart--he was in Portland Thursday and Friday, meeting with team officials along with his agent, Lon Babby--came after the Raptors decided to do what they had been reluctant to do until then--renounce their rights to several of their own free agents, including forward Shawn Marion and guards Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino, in order to create the more than $10 million in cap room necessary to make a superior offer to Portland's.
A league source divulged late Friday that Portland's offer to Turkoglu was actually $57 million over five years, not the $50 million that has been reported. But by deciding to renounce their rights to the free agents, the Raptors can give Turkoglu a deal averaging more than $12 million annually. They only have a little more than $48 million committed for next season, including the first-year salary of rookie swingman DeMar DeRozan, taken ninth overall.
Ric Bucher now reports...
Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu changed his mind Friday and decided not to join the Portland Trail Blazers, opting instead to accept a five-year $53 million offer from the Toronto Raptors, sources told ESPN.com.
The decision left the Blazers livid and was a huge coup for the Raptors, who have promised Turkoglu all of the salary-cap space they will have from renouncing their rights to Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino, which will likely add up to a starting salary in the $10.1 million range, with eight percent annual raises....
Turkoglu will make about $3 million more over the life of the contract than he would have made in Portland, but a bigger reason for his change of heart, a source told ESPN.com, was his desire to play in Toronto, a more international and cosmopolitan city -- one with a large Turkish population -- and his familiarity with the Eastern Conference after having spent the last five seasons with the Magic.
Turkoglu's about-face sent shockwaves throughout the NBA, and parallels were being drawn between his decision and the 2004 episode when Carlos Boozer reneged on a deal to re-sign with Cleveland after they released him from his contract, then stunned the Cavs by signing with Utah. The difference in this case, according to one person with detailed knowledge of the discussions, was that Turkoglu did not intentionally or unintentionally deceive the Blazers, but instead had a change of heart after giving the Blazers his word.
John Hollinger opines on ESPN Insider...
Anyone who saw the footage of Hedo Turkoglu meeting Blazers bigwigs at Portland International Airport on Thursday had to get a little bit of a weird feeling. Especially any married guys. Turkoglu came alone, amid rumors that his wife very strongly preferred to be in Toronto, and I remember thinking at that very moment that the Blazers recruiting pitch was doomed to failure. It was going to be tough to sell her on the charms of Portland if she wasn't there.
Thus, despite two days of Chamber of Commerce weather here in the Rose City, replete with blue skies and Mt. Hood views, and tours of the Blazers' first-rate training facility in Tualatin, Turkoglu isn't coming to the Blazers. After an 11th-hour Boozerang that will forever immortalize him as "Hedon't" in the local vernacular, the Turkoglus are heading to Toronto instead -- a place they never visited on this free-agent tour, apparently because they didn't need to be sold on it.
...As for the Blazers, they can go in several directions from here, and can at least take comfort in the fact that they control the free-agent game until they make their next move. Portland might want to go after Sessions, a good young point guard who fills their need for a second quality pick-and-roll player -- albeit at a different position than Turkoglu.
They may also decide to punt on free agency and hope to play the trade market, but that's a risky strategy. If they don't get something done by the trade deadline, the opportunity will basically be gone forever because next year extensions for Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge will kick in, and it's not clear that somebody will come available who fits what they need.
They might also try to make a long-shot run at Lamar Odom, perhaps the best player left on the board and one who, like Turkoglu, could provide another offensive creator while swinging between the two forward spots. But the rainy weather and a location 90 minutes inland don't exactly jibe with Odom's stated preference to live on the beach. The most likely outcome of an Odom pursuit would be driving up the price for the rival Lakers.
Alternatively, the Blazers could try to target a Sixth Man shot creator like New York's Nate Robinson, or make a run at Philadelphia's Andre Miller, the latter not a great fit in my opinion, but a possibility given their need at the point.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Just as I started warming up to the idea...
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Likewise
Would’ve been a fun first season at least…
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mee too...
but now i can go from being indifferent to hating him, which has its perks…
by retirecards51 on Jul 3, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly...
"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen
by dougall5505 on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thirded
What an Ender.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bean
He ain’t worth a Bean, and is definitely no Ender.
I just wish we had a Starter SF.
by 3pointer on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
More like a Bonzo Madrid.
A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT
by GustyJ on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Twitter and Fanposts
Make it so this seems like old news to me. I love the internet and Toronto today.
by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
::chanting::
Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade!
by Furious Styles on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, props to Toronto. This deal just didn't feel right.
by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean. I kept trying to talk myself into loving it, but I was never really excited
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+one million
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe she just really likes scraping ice of her windshield
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather than having her windshield wipers on all the time?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take 40 and sprinkles over
-10 and ice every winter. In fact, I do!
Toronto is a great city, but I can’t stand the cold. The worst part about PDX winters is the dark cause we’re so far North. And we still beat Toronto on that.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wierd thing is
I read somewhere that they met in Sacramento? You’d think she was a west-coast
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
they went to high school together..
by proaxis on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IN SACRAMENTO
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
via Twitter
InsideHoopsI am told Blazers like Shawn Marion but have mixed feelings about offering him a big contract
less than a minute ago from mobile web
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read that Toronto offered Marion $8 million
and he turned it down…..
by blzrfan1938 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Matrix
You just don’t get it, do you?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Obviously is Toronto is releasing him to sign Turk (ho plays the same position) for more money, Marion just isn’t worth it, right?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want Marion
‘I’ve got to worry about my future,’ Marion said when asked if the uncertainty of Chris Bosh remaining a Raptor factored into his own decision. ‘I’ve got to be selfish right now because I can’t worry about nobody, I’ve got to worry about myself.’"
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/04/shawn-marions-plan-this-summer-be-selfish/
CNNSI’s Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix’s chemistry issues:
Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of the most statistically productive players in the league over the last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is looking to make a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns’ locker room has filtered through the league since Phoenix’s second-round ouster. If you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general manager called him “the worst locker room lawyer in the league”), those problems can only be attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on Phoenix’s bench. He wrote a book, 0:7 Seconds or Less, on his experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and Shawn Marion:
It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd was The Man, then Stephon Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004…Worse, Stoudemire before his injury, seemed to have settled into Second Man status behind Nash, leaving Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star reserve, Marion said, "Ever since I’ve been in Phoenix, I tried to make myself the face of the Suns on and off the court. That’s what it’s all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and D’Antoni are the dual faces, and whenever Marion’s face appears, Stoudemire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy. He appreciates Nash and gets along with him, but doesn’t feel the same about Stoudemire.
"Around here it’s Steve this and Amare’ that," says Marion. "What people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people. I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now. Don’t overlook that.
"The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think that’s wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing with Marion is
No matter where Marion plays next year, he’s going to be angry, because he thinks he’s worth more than he’ll be paid.
Also, we don’t need a small forward, even a versatile defender small forward.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So an old fart who was recently in the finals and will definitely only continue to decline
doesnt want to be on a team that is a contender but choses a bunch of scrubs over us?
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if I hadn't gotten enthused about the possibilities, it'd be pretty funny.
He must want to lose. Weird.
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he cared about being a contender, he wouldn't have left the Magic.
by Ariel112 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he would have
He’d have left the Magic and joined the Blazers. ;)
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Magic Fan with mutual respect here..
And yes I agree with the both of you, but in a sense he wasn’t coming back to Orlando regardless.. Especially since Orlando got Carter.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we can
pick up matrix for pennies on the dollar compaired to turk
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
List of players that are done but still get hype: Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Jermaine Oneal
None of those guys are good anymore. They have big contracts and can’t help a team win anymore.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
those players
on new contracts that are nowhere near their previous price tag, would still perform for what you pay for them. no longer “all star” but talent to bide us a couple years and vet exp/training at half the price of turk
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kidd still has some left in the tank.
Kidd actually had a pretty good year this last season. If we gave him a 2-3 year contract I’d be happy. I agree about the other 3 though.
by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already have a slow point guard who can't guard quicker guards. At least with Blake
he can shoot the 3.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kidd can shoot the 3 as well as Blake
and more important, he’s an extremely smart player, who is 6’5" (aka big enough to guard a SG if the PG is too quick) and can rebound well. he’s very productive, wouldn’t be demanding of shots or w/e like some big name FAs, and has stated that he’d like to mentor a young PG.
not that he doesn’t have downsides but he’s way better than Blake.
by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marion will whine unless he's paid big bucks
No one can afford to pay him what he thinks he’s worth.
If management insists on signing him, we should make him an offer with only the first year guaranteed and anything else player options. He’ll opt out to try and make more money next year.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was warming up to Hedo to Oden PnR. Oh well.
I am kind of relieved, although I really hope there’s a solid back up plan or two. It really feels like a use or lose it moment for this team. 5 years 50m was absurd though.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If Toronto ends up splashing $56m for five years, I’m more than happy to see him go. On to Plan B then.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland lets Toronto make another bad deal. LMAO.
Toronto fans must hate Portland.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2006 #1 pick
they pick Bargaini . while we pick up the 2 of the best in the draft LMA and Roy
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
Portland+Turkoglu wasnt a good fit in the end. Fans didnt like him, his wife didnt like the city, Turkoglu didnt like the money.
Time to move on.
by NBA China on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we can get Marion for 2 years 12-15 million ill be glad to pick him up
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gross
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
he is a great rebounder for his position SF/PF (our backup PF problems solved too?) he is very atheletic and great perimeter defense. (Travis with Defense).
Why not? He will give you great highlight plays the whole garden will erupt
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These guys make a better case than I do
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2362
If you thought Hedo was overrated, then Marion is doubly so. Dude has attitude problems and he’s practically quit the last few years.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow you're still posting
I haven’t seen you in ages.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Doubly so"
Marion is a better defender, rebounder & an all around more efficient player.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would even go
three years 18-20 mil
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just threw up in my mouth
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn dude long time no see
or long time no post
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been lurking
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In spite of what the judge told you?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 6, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We would be bidding our selves up in that deal.
Marion caused us to lose Turk if he would have just taken the 8 mill from Toronto we would have got Turk for 50 mill or lower. Marion would be lucky to get more then the midlevel now, seriously how will he get paid?
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum Point Forward that is some creative thinking Cabby
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, he started to run the pick and roll at the end of the year and showed pretty good court vision. He actually found the big man rolling a few times… novel concept.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Putting all your eggs in one basket sometimes backfires
It will be interesting to see what plan B is. It would be a shame if they missed out on someone by focusing all energy in one direction.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about that too
But who have we missed out on? Gordon, Ariza, and Artest? The only one I think would fit on this team is Ariza, and even then it’s just more young talent and not a veteran. I think we’ll be okay.
by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor Charlie V
We have not lost by trying.
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charley V. we would have been out bid by Detroit unless we went crazy,
Rebounding is nice but Charlie isnt the piece we needed.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick said on Thursday that he had never seen Nate and KP so sure about something as they were about bringing in Hedo.
Think about that, all you Blazer fans who are rejoicing at this news
(The Darius Miles saga continues. And it bites)
I wonder if KP agreed (in principle) to renounce Freeland, or if that money would’ve made any difference?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They know better than I
But I’m not sorry.
I didn’t like Hedo for the Blazers. When he spends the next five years declining, we’ll all be thanking our lucky stars he backed out of this deal.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if he declines or not
What I will be looking at is the team success our team and the players we add and the toronto Raptors, every loss on a poor Raptor team will slowly over years convince him he made the wrong decision also the team will collapse after Bosh leaves.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he tests the waters
long enough for all of the cap money to be spent, then come back at a cheaper price.
by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what's next
Pritchard, time to wow me, because I’m utterly confused…
Chris Dudley for three!
by wilbjammin on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stomach punch. Now what?
What about Rudy + Trout + filler for Crash Wallace and Nazr Mohammed?
by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We could have had Wallace and Mohammed for Batum and RLEC at the TD.
We didn’t want to give up on Nic (or so I read in a few places).
by kobisportsguy on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better then using our money for nothing..
by NEPBlazer4life on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't care without a salary cap
But we only have so much to spend, and as a fan, I have a vested interest in it being spent wisely.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
my dream targets who are actually in a realistic reach. I would think we can only get one though. Outlaw + Blake works for either salary wise.
I would do something like Outlaw+Martell+Blake for Wallace and a resigned May. Then sign Bibby or whatever we can get with leftovers.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously - May?
They did not even tender him. The impression I have of May is a shorter Eddie Curry without the production but all the fat. Am I wrong?
PER = 6.2
FG% = 39.8%
WS = -0.3
by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he's traded here doesn't mean he has to play, LetsBlaze can take care of him.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jul 4, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just have my doubts either of those are attainable
especially since Ben Gordon left the Bulls.
And Wallace may be Charlotte’s best player, and they played very well in the 2nd half (after getting used to Diaw and Bell). They came close to getting in the playoffs. They’re not going to trade Gerald Wallace away from Larry Brown for non-starters (Outlaw) and scraps.
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, Charlotte is in serious trouble financially. They don’t even have a summer league team.
Second, the Chicago FO might want to clear cap room for Wade in 2010.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see it -- with either or both
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Wade?
Doesn’t Rose already play there?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose at the 1 and Wade at the two would be awfully scary.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade is a Chicago kid.
Rose is a point guard, Wade is a shooting guard. That would be a ridiculous starting backcourt.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be.
But Roy eats up smaller guards, then feeds them to his young.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade is 2 inches shorter, but by no means smaller as he ways 3 lbs heavier in spite of the height difference.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jul 4, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was no homerun free agent this summer.
I’m disappointed with how things transpired, but I’m confident in KP. He’ll improve this team so way or another.
Not bitter by any means. Good luck to Hedo and his wife.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lopsided trade
So what are the possibilities for a lopsided trade that you’re most interested in? I’m not thrilled with any of the free agents still available (Marion’s gifted, but has an attitude I’ve heard). Let’s get someone who will be a good fit.
by VTDuck on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Attitude"
Has been played up bad by the media. I don’t buy it for a second. I don’t think he ever got proper respect for what he did in Phoenix, but around here he would be “the vet” he would take the minutes that Hedo was going to play.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 3, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More money and May and June off
Bye bye Hedo – thanks for considering us.
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I can see an upgrade at point guard, but what's with the buring desire to get another SF?
by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Martell may not play this year. Trout has serious flaws. Batum isn't ready.
That’s why I want another SF.
by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about Batum. He's ready. He's not as accomplished as a vet, but playing him
won’t hurt the team.
Truth be told, I could watch the tream as is. If anyting, tweak the point guards, lessee if Penderaph can bang. Call it good.
by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace/Batum/Aldridge would be simply fantastic three forward rotation.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the burning desire is to maximize the cap space asset. My first preference is Hinrich. Second is Gerald Wallace, mainly due to the fact that he dominates the Lakers.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should take the advice of one Steven Crosby ...
and love the one you’re with.
Seriously Cabs. You are always pining for some other player. Learn to love and trust the guys we already have.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 6, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what a shocker.
I wonder who we’re gonna go after now.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess his wife was really wanting to live in Toronto.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Toronto rhymes with Turkoglu
OK maybe not.
by Dmartyparty on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a nice city, close to New York -- if she's from Istanbul I can imagine it's a good life being rich in a big city
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto is Canada's New York and Portland is............................ Portland.
If the dude’s not gonna be happy, best not to do the deal. We know he’d be great value this year and next — but 5 years down the road? Who knows…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, yeah. She'd be cruising garage sales in no time.
by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't beat Buffalo Exchange
for your designer threads. ;-)
Seriously, Portland is the only place in the country where instead of bragging about how much they spent on something, people brag about how little. I love this place.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is..
If he/they wanted to pick Toronto over PORTLAND, then they got some real problems
by SugarMoses on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Portland Hedo was #4 In Toronto #2
And with Chris Bosh likely to leave next year he will be #1.
Does that have to do with fit?
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So I suggest everyone get out their GM cards and post up propositions because
KP needs to make his next decision better. He’ll be coming here to look for ideas.
"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....
by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure it was a bad plan
But we are better for trying and failing than for not trying. I am glad we didn’t pay major bucks for Ben Gordon and Charlie V.
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
new ideas
trade for rubio so we have ricky y rudy combo
trade for crash
trade for amare
i’ve always thought this year would be better suited making a trade then getting a FA
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
people can complain about "character"
being that important to our franchise, how turk fit our model citizen type of player, but without having someone a little rough around the edges, we dont get that gritty playoff play.
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I simply don't think Amare fits
With Greg and LMA
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a poor assumption
Poor character and gritty play are not synonymous. I’ll never understand why people think being a jerk is the same as being a strong player.
by zaruga on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mo Lucas is a really good guy, for example.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE no Amare!
Not a good fit at all. Doesn’t even try to play D.
by Dub9 on Jul 3, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah - Amare in a slowed down offense
not good.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there isn't any thing great on market we could go to MInnesota ask around
Find out how they would like us to spend our money and acquire the players they want combine that with a few players we have they like that we don’t need and trade for Rubio.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muhahhahhhaaa,
All part of the plan – Kevin Pritchard.
I’m wondering if this wasn’t all a cleverly disguised plan to throw the whole NBA off of the trail of who KP really is after.
by Dmartyparty on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If only this would happen
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tour of Portland
included 5 Wal-Marts and two hours circling the rose quarter in rush hour.
by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also Included:
Weather simulation environment. Somebody followed Hedo the whole time with a hose set to sprinkle and a cloud cutout over his head.
by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
Jason Quick said on Thursday (1080) that he had never seen KP and Nate be “so sure” about bringing in a player than Hedo
They just didn’t have quite enough scratch, and Mrs. Turk wanted to live in Toronto
I don’t know what Portland has to do to attract free agents. All L*A has to do is flash their gold and purple logo and they have FAs falling all over themselves to take less money to be a L*ker
It sucks to be small market. But we get to live in the best part of the best country in the world, so that makes up for it, I guess ;^)
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Channing couldn't actually play the 4...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't that we are a small market
its that we aren’t international and aren’t a large city. TUrk isn’t getting large endorsements from being in toronto vs. portland vs. LA
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he probably will
if a city has a large population of your ethnicity, you’ll be influenced. You can get more endorsements from the local community plugging their products, and as a national hero to them already, it’s really win/win
by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know how I might
be able to send some thank you flowers to Mrs. Turkoglu?
by DrivetheLane on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Send them to hell
They’ll get to her eventually.
by LaoTzu on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
well
gut wrenching disappointment mixed with incredible relief i guess.
by Millz on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
i feel ya
"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just spent the last 6 hours educating myself on turkey gloo
Argh!!
by levelhed on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you get pretty High?
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Six hours?!
Where have you been the last six days?
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad someone else is going to overpay
Hedo couldnt be more overvalued right now
by RidiculousDownside on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
He could, if his name were Ariza
NBA role players gets a five year MLE deal in a thin FA year?
It’s Christmas in Houston!
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great deal for Houston, actually...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ariza isnt good
if you look closely at some of arizas tattoos you’ll find:
Product of “The System”
Registered Trademark: Triangle Offense
Made in Your Imagination
by pdxlifer on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing better than not getting Hedo
Is getting another team to bankrupt themselves for him.
by conspirator5 on Jul 3, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes ripped my heart out twice now
"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen
by dougall5505 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
time to trade for gerald wallace?
get it done KP
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So.....Paul Millsap anyone???
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would think he would want to start
not be behind Aldridge like with boozer
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe......or maybe not.
You don’t think it’s possible he’d rather play at a team with a chance to win? No reason not to check anyway.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take him. He is cheap.
"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....
by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why pay a backup 6-8 mil, when we already pay a backup that much.. his name is vanilla gorilla O.o
that would be so much money for depth, when depth gets you to the playoffs, solid starters win in the playoffs
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is looking only to the MLE tops. Which I believe is ~5.6 mil.
I don’t believe he is expecting as much though.
"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed.... Success!
by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass is Millsap-lite.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly wrong. Millsap is Bass-lite.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to watch the playoffs to realize this
Although it is really close. It’s just about what you’re looking for exactly.
by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, no
Millsap is way better. The abyss in their rebound rates speaks for itself.
by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
abyss *between
Damn the lack of an edit button.
by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millsap is a better rebounder and slightly more efficient scorer.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass is probably the better fit next to either Greg or Przy
next to LMA Millsap without question.
by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millsap is a decent enough shooter and a crazy good rebounder. I’d much rather have him, though he is a slightly worse fit.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why that's where Portland should put its money
You’re going to need to bid more than $8 million and that’s a lot of money for a guy who will be backing up Aldridge.
by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think either one will be cheap enough to be Blazers.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need 4 legitimate bigs...
and long term, whichever of these guys it’d be would be the #3 guy as Przybilla begins to go.
Thinking about free agent signings as only covering this year is a gigantic mistake for a team not likely to enter its window during the 09/10 season.
by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll always prefer a Przybilla like character backing up Oden
meaning Bass probably is the slightly better long term fit on this team. As good as it sounds to just have the three guys split all the frontcourt minutes, you can’t actually do that. Unless your backup center is more of a shooter, Bass probably would be more useful all around for us.
Why is everyone so down about Hedo? Victor Claver… hello?
by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Victor es no en casa. Uh, yet.
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if he turns into a point Forward over the summer.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, which one of you sabotaged his Portland pizza taste test?
Fess up, I’ll give you a Rudy Bobblehead. (not really)
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's be honest here, I love living in the west, but compared to the east, all pizza ion Portland pretty much sucks.
Did you know they put pineapple on it here? On pizza! Pinesappler for crying out loud.
by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually my favorite topping.
I’m bananas for pineapples.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? It's a block from my house
and all I’ve ever heard is to stay away.
But yeah – pdx’ pizza does kinda blow. My fav. is Escape from NY, but I’m not going all the way to NW 23rd to get it.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also live in the area
and was told not to go there…. who knows
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, I'll try it
Can’t hurt to try, and if it’s good, it’s so close that I could crawl the pizza home. Thanks!
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live on the East Coast (DC area)
And the pizza over here sucks. There are a few decent pizza joints in DC, but that’s about it. I haven’t found anything even close to as good as Pizzicato.
by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troof!
I lived in DC a couple years ago, I swear the best option there is Pizza Hut. Escape From NY, American Dream, Pizza Oasis, Pizzicato, Hot Lips if it were cheaper and they didn’t have this odd habit of caking burnt wheat germ on the underside but their soda is the greatest thing ever…you gripers don’t know how good you’ve got it.
by riptatermen on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what you're referring to is
semolina. It’s used to slide the pizza off the pan into the oven. They’re supposed to scrape it off.
by giovanni on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh!
I’m learning so much today. Thanks, Hedo!
by riptatermen on Jul 3, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flying Pie is awesome
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy Pizzicato pizza.
"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....
by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you live here long enough, some Portland pizza will start to taste ok.
I quit drinking 23 years ago and now I find that O’Douls actually tastes like beer. Which isn’t surprising if you haven’t had a beer in 23 years.
by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost any pizza except
that xxxx they sell at the Rose Garden!
by blzrfan1938 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had pizza all over the country
Hot Lips is among the better stuff, for standard crust weight.
Star Pizza in Houston has the best deep dish I’ve tried, but I’m not a Chicago style type.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The National Pizza show is held every year in the west
Las Vegas. And you will find pineapple on many of the sample pies served there. Pizza in the USA is more west style than east and Chicago is a whole different world.
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chi and NY do pizza different than everyone else
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a pie a Pizza Due once and it was wonderful, but the best pizza
was the kind I bought by the slice on the boardwalk in atlantic city, way back before they blew it up.
by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try Apizza Scholls
before passing judgement on “everyone else”
by jtkerr79 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which make them the weirdos
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this talk of pizza is making me hungry now.
by Jaedin on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
West side, best pizza and Italian
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved that place years ago
it’s time to go back. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've lived in New York for 20+ years and the pizza
is horrible. Floppy, greasy, rubbery. Horrible. Portland’s pizza is far better.
by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, no love for Old Town?
Come on people. I’d wear that like a terry cloth robe on a December morning if I could.
Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.
by MikeIrish on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK: I love Old Town Pizza. Loved it for MANY years. And that great hot chocolate (Fantasia).
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's yummy
and the espressos are good too. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sign marion to a one year deal
then have cap freedom for the free agent class of 2010
?
"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
won’t have cap room due to escalating rookie deals of Oden, Rudy, Bayless, and Batum and Roy/LMA extensions.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to consolidate talent.
pure and simple.
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you go for at this point?
Out of curiosity what do you see as a realistic move he could do, that pleases both teams?
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven't heard any ideas better than the guys Cab mentions
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're pretty much in agreement then.
At this point I would be happy with Wallace + Bibby, or just keep Blake but I imagine he goes away in most deals.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh. At this point bibby is a slightly better Steve Blake with a huge ego.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we lost Blake in a Wallace deal it would be difficult to find a replacement that fits.
Bibby is the closest thing to a Blake other than Hinrich. I can’t see us getting both Hinrich and Wallace though.
I’d rather have Blake than Bibby for the record.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they’d want Blake in a Wallace deal, seeing as they have Augustin and Felton.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Rudy possibly, but do we want to give up that much scoring ability for Wallace?
In all honesty I don’t think Charlotte and Portland are good trading partners. I’d be happy to have Wallace though.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they get rid of Felton like the rumors suggest
Then Larry Brown might want a guy like Blake to backup DJ Augustine
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we lost blake in a wallace deal
id rather start bayless and keep mills on the team to back him up, plus sign some toss in vet for minimum
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting a “Crash, Captain, or Bust” campaign.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will join your campaign.
"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....
by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sign off
on crash, but not captain.. i still like bayless better… call me a homer if you must.
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my opinion, which everyone has one.. always different
is that if we speed up play just a little bit, it will better suit most of our advantages, i know roy likes it slow… but that would favor bayless over most anyone we could trade for aside from harris, and i dont see that happening.
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They all say "Doh!"
"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed.... Success!
by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll add a name to the list
Marvin Williams
Sign him to a deal the Hawks aren’t willing to match. He can hit the three, he’s a glue guy, and he’s a lockdown defender.
Granted, he’s not filling the role of another playmaker. Without picking up a playmaker at the three, KP HAS TO HAS TO HAS TO upgrade the point. I know KP and Nate like Blake, but at least two of the three perimeter starters need to be able to do SOMETHING off the dribble. Too easy for elite defenses to shut down Roy otherwise.
I agree that Crash is the best choice…
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn’t mind Williams, but, as you say, we need an upgrade at the point.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of lowballing Hedo on a couple of levels
I dont think he is worth more than 9 mil for 4 years and it sends a" if you wont play for a few dollars less for a shot at a ring" message to Sessions,Bass act,
by southern oregon on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good point
Gamesmanship is critical in FA season.
Once Hedo inks with Toronto the only other teams with cap room will be the loser twins, the pooh bears and the “thunder”. If a FA wants a chance on a team with a winning record, it’s us or the MLE as a max.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it was an intentional lowball strategy
$10+ million a year is not low. I think we just got outbid. (Yay!)
by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO lets see
Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza both agreed with new teams while we were busy fattening this old douche
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, thank goodness
No pole is long enough to touch Ron Ron with it.
And Ariza is like Hedo himself – finals flavor of the month.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better off with someone who wants to win...
Than someone who is only in it for the money. We have had those guys in the past and once they get paid it is break time. We need a winner and anybody who would pick Toronto over Portland obviously doesn’t care about winning.
by dfoz3 on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Particularly when the requirements for him to sign gut the bench of good roll players.
And marion was good too
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they left out the part where it wasn't the right fit for his wife.....
wow, I’m a woman, and I understand that maybe she didn’t want to live out here and I commend him on wanting to make his wife happy, but for Lord’s sakes, sometimes you got to look at the big picture and see that this Blazer team is going to go far and to support your husband and and then go out and buy a dang umbrella!! (although if you use the umbrella I will think you are a wuss)
…I feel like I’ve just been left at the altar…. People are going to be shaking their heads at this move……
This makes me thing we aren’t ever going to be able to win a championship because no one wants to come out here and play.
by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
It definitely feels reminiscent to being stood up by a date. The whole rain schtick is so overblown. Yeah it rains, big deal. After a while you don’t even notice it. Plus, it makes the sunny days all the more enjoyable because they are so rare.
by resurrect_ha28 on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me thing we aren’t ever going to be able to win a championship because no one wants to come out here and play.
I feel ya
But we can’t abandon all hope. Free agency is just one avenue for KP to improve the ballclub and none of the Blazer players were “lost at sea” in this minor disaster
KP and Nate probably feel 1000 times worse tonight than any of Turk’s greatest supporters on Bedge. But they’ll bounce back and make the best of it. I DO NOT EXPECT them to take on a headcase like Shawn Marion “just because” they lost out on Turk, though. The mission statement doen’t change when times get tough; you still only want to bring “good people” into your organization. This is not a time to “settle for less” to just appear to be making progress!
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't hate on the guy
for trying to get in the best city for his family.
Large turkish population, much more european city and style of basketball.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can. Why did he get deep in contract talks with us if he knew he and his wife preferred to live in Toronto?
by Rudy4three on Jul 3, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can hate a person over something as minor as this ...
… perhaps you should stop for a minute and look in the mirror. Hate is a very strong word and emotion. If we are supposed to strive to love those who do wrong to us, what does it say about ourselfs if we get angry over something as simple as a person making a decision on where he wants to live and work?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 6, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the money
It was always about the money.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
turkoglu of 2008,
meet ARod of 2001. Hope you two enjoy spending the playoffs every year counting your money.
by sfiles on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must have found out...
That #15 jersey is retired and in the rafters.
by Dmartyparty on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reality: KP's offer was more sane than we expected
If years were truly the issue (besides his wife’s preferences), then Turk wasn’t being offered a 5-year deal.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I heard that thing about an optional/partially guaranteed 5th year
Similar to what Blake and Outlaw have on their deals.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But did anything REALLY happen?
Seeing how all these agreements are agreements “IN PRINCIPLE”—the actual signing day being several days away—why is it surprising that people show interest, claim a deal is done, walk away?
I admire Pritchard for sticking to his guns, going after who he targeted full throttle, but refusing to overpay for someone coming off his prime. If Turkoglu changes his mind again (which he has done in Phoenix), we can get him for even less.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KP offered all the cap space he has
In the end, this wasn’t about money. It’s about big international city vs. small market.
Terrible move for Toronto, by the way. Does this make them a contender? No way no chance no how. Turk was a good fit in PDX – terrible for the Raps.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the wife played a big part on the decision
I respect that, a lot.
But Colangelo is dumb as hell and makes terrible moves every offseason.
by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
5 Years/$56m for someone coming off is prime
sounds like another bad, inflated contract.
But if there is no other decent deal to be done, then we wind up the losers by not improving the team when we could.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we lost
but it still a terrible move for them
by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will lose if we do nothing
I don’t anticipate we will lose until the Cap space is gone at that Time I will say we have lost.. Turk was our top choice so in a way we lost, but not if Turk is bad.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's made some of the worst moves as GM
A 5 year $50 million in Portland could be explained and understood. But a 5 year $56 million in Toronto is just dumb. Hedo is not taking them from the lottery to contenders.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unreal
She will be complaining about the Toronto snow and ice soon instead of the Portland rain.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i thik whe you're a multimillionaire you can survive
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a good place to start though.
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto really is a great city
But I can live anywhere I want, and I live in Portland.
Plus, I’d never, EVER be a subject of a monarchy.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad, though it was exciting to think about really going for a title this year.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo wasn't going to get us there on his own
Not even close.
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo can't do it himself.
It was up to Roy, LMA, and Oden. Hedo would have helped them.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes the Raptor signing all the more suprising.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows
maybe toronto will actually be a good team with the whole euro feel to it… would at least be entertaining to watch
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they could possibly win Euroleague next year.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Terrible, terrible move for Toronto. Baffling. What could Colangelo possibly be thinking? What’s their plan? Rebuild around Turk? They’re losing Bosh either way. Gotta go for young talent.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. it was just exciting for the team to step out of waiting and actually making a “now” move.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Hedo
This is for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's a good Raptors fansite?
I want to know what they’re saying.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like the small market loses again
by NEPBlazer4life on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't really a factor
Unless you’re talking about Hedo’s wife.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might sting of rejection right now for some of you Pro-Hedo
guys, but it’s better in the long run.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So
if the Marion bird rights are forfeited by the raptors, then he’ll only get the MLE right?
Guess he’ll go to CLE.
by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As a backup for LeBron?
(Same position)
by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only a certain amount of money out there for free agents.
Free agents may have to start settling for smaller deals if those are the only deals on the table. Might be able to get a quality backup 4 for cheap. (Bass, Millsap, Lee, etc.)
by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Millsap will start receiving offers after the 7th.
UFAs usually don’t get a string of offers right away. I think Millsap will make less than he wants, but more than hes worth to us.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do we bring back Trout at this point?
After very publicly courting a replacement for him? That’s gotta be akward right?
by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Go check the Outlaw fanshot
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is fine
He has friends here, he knows how it works.
Plus, he has many fans who have been following his career for six years and seen him develop into a pretty decent player. Some of us wouldn’t mind at all if he’s not traded. But he still probably will be.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's go get Lamar Odom
we can get him for 8 -9 mil. AND mess up lakers title hopes
by ellroyspoon on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
some Lakers should/could never be Blazers IMO.
Lamar joins the likes of Kobe, Magic Johnson, Rick Fox, and Kobe Karl!
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd definetely make a call to his agent
but in all likelihood, he’s going back to LA.
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLAME CANADA!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
after all, they are America's hat.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this make Central America our pants?
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sicko!
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mexico is our underwear.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On second thought, probably Texas.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ that thought
You sure you want a state with no gun control to be that close to your nuts?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's overrating Texas
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tru dat!
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so blzrfan, you were excited about Hedo. Who do you want now?
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody really excites me for next season.
Wallace is ok I guess. I wanted a guy who could handle the ball and make plays. I’ve been lukewarm on Hinrich.
Time to find more good stories about the Blazers working during the summer and getting better. That’s probably excites me more, internal development.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
josh smith….. i remember reading a while back that he might be on the trading block… he would be ideal to me..
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rather take Odom than Josh Smith if a gun was put in my face.
In the end, I probably prefer the gun. =)
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, Josh Smith makes Ron Artest seem like an inefficient mid-range shooter.
Regarding Smith, a straight-up swap of him to Dallas for Josh Howard seems like a fair trade to me.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, that should read as efficient instead of inefficient.
Regardless, Josh Smith and Ron Artest are both terrible mid-range shooters.
Last season, Smith shot 32.2% and Artest shot 34.3% on two-point jumpers.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Smith absolutely loves taking them.
He’s convinced he’s good at them.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
josh smith is harold minor
high-flying average-skilled athlete.
by pdxlifer on Jul 3, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he's leaving Flordia aka America's Wang
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think for Florida
As the slug pan of America. All the crazy people floating around America settle down in Florida because of gravity.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jul 4, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we got to go get Brandon Bass
That’s the only other sane choice out there…
by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope not
He’s not that great of a player.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a back up to Aldridge he's perfect for us.
If he’s willing to accept such terms.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I'd like a backup who's a little more efficient. Especially since Lamarcus isn't exactly the most efficient player in the world.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pessimistic about free agents coming to Portland, now
Sign and trade. When a player is acquired via a deal, you get to pick pick them. Not the other way around…
Then they learn to love you…hey, it worked with Przybilla.
We need more guys like Joel and Blake who “want” to be here
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who wears the pants in the TurkeyPoo Family?
Turkeypoo: Honey? I could win a Ring!
The whip snaps!!!
Honey: I’m the only ring wearer in this house!
Turkeypoo! BOO! HOO!! I’m sorry!! As you say!!
by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
O.o
Dude. My wife and I are equals. When it comes to a big life decision, she has as much say as I do. And she looks great in pants.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops!
sorry! just in response to his wife wanting to go to toronto! mostly I’m happy he’s not coming here! I’ve also drank a fifth of Voka and my humors a bit slanted.! Besides some men do hear the whip CRACK!!!! Life Goes On!
by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops! again
vodka not voka! And besides I didn’t relize you were a MOD?
by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a MOD. I didn't flag you, either.
I was just replying to the content of your comment. Don’t forget your advil and a quart of water before you go to bed!
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trades
Well, I think they should do at least ONE trade. As things stand they still have too many players.
Trade Outlaw to a crappy team for a future 1st round draft pick.
Of course, that doesn’t sop up the cap space, it actually opens up some more cap space.
Wow, there’s nothing like having a pile of money and not knowing what to do with it. Reminds me of my one good run in the stock market, dumpster diving in small tech companies that had gotten hammered in the aftermath of the tech bubble. Had a huge pile of cash I didn’t know what to do with.
Blazers suffer the hardships of the rich. Too much cash and too many players to fit on the rotation.
by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont think anyone
would take travis for a first
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course they would.
We’d do it if we didn’t have him already.
Trout is really underrated by Zars fans here.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well just from the commenters on the Toronto Star
None of them wanted Turkoglu.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Hedo has just made himself a human pariah...
Orlando doesn’t want him back either.
by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turk's wife said she didn't like the heat.
i kid, i kid.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland was too green for her.
Wanted to wear fur coats and drive in a H2. People in the northwest getting up all in her bizness.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray!!!
This is the happiest day of my life. Now we can actually sign a free agent who’s a good player.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I just read that?
Yes, I think so. Wow.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, Hedo isn't a bad player
but he’s definitely not a $10 million per year player. I was cringing at paying so much for a small forward who’s just average.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think 10 mil is that much
I was more worried his play would decline or he wouldn’t fit in. You usually overpay in FA.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have been my worry (if I was a Blazer fan)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see the possibility of 10 mill for 2010, 2011...
… but when his knees give out in 2012, your stuck paying a guy 10 mill to ride the pine for two years.
Besides, in all reality, an improved Nic and healthy Martell give you everything Hedo would for a hell of a lot less.
Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.
by MikeIrish on Jul 3, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad there weren't any this year. Turkoglu was as close as it got.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trevor Ariza, Ramon Sessions, Jason Kidd
All better than Turkoglu.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh no.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuh it do?
And?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All 3 of the guys he mentioned were better players than Turkoglu last year.
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuh, sure.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you seen Turkoglu's shooting percentages?
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His rebounding too
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention his assist-turnover ratio isn't spectacular for a player who's supposed to be a good creator.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo's a good player
He would have helped the Blazers. However, his poor shooting percentages and his mediocre defense make him nowhere near the contract he would have gotten and will now get in Toronto.
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
I just don’t agree.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally someone agrees with me.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And WP48
The advanced metrics are all on board.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow there's a shock
< / sarcasm >
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My advanced metrics say Turk took Orlando to
The NBA finals.
Turk was their primary creator. The Magic were an elite team. Their other two best guys can do nothing to create offense on their own.
Turk cannot be judged by the numbers. He should be judged by Ws.
That being said, this isn’t exactly a disaster for Portland. I liked Turk as a great fit, but it’s still a buyer’s market and there are other guys to target.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're way overstating the team value argument
And after all, isn’t that what individual statistics are for, separating a player from his team’s performance?
If Hedo shot 41% and the rest of the team shot 45%, how can you say Hedo was helping whenever he took more shots? etc
Also to be snotty I could say “my advanced metrics find that Hedo is 30 & declining” or somesuch.
(btw, Dwight Howard took Orlando to the finals. Yes, all of their starters were huge factors, but that’s like saying LMA took the Blazers to the playoffs.)
by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
Ariza is not a playmaker. Kidd is way past his prime.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza doesn't shoot you out of games by shooting 40% on twos.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proabably because
Ariza mostly got his on wide open jump shots and dunks. We have guys that can do that, Orlando depended on Turkoglu to create offense.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We depend on Roy to create offense and he doesn't shoot 40% on twos.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole idea
was to take some pressure off Roy though. Turkoglu in theory would have done that, Ariza, not. Why create a logjam at SF for Ariza? Batum can be Ariza.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I would prefer a PG signing over Ariza.
Kidd or Sessions would be great.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, KP might be targeting Sessions right now
I don’t know why MIlwaukee would do it, though. They don’t have Jefferson or Villanueva around, anymore. Maybe they’re really hurtin’ for dough?
Sessions, Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen?
One thing that hasn’t changed, today. We know that Portland is serious about “going for it”
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other idea was that it would make having a guy to handle the ball moot
You could put Webster and Roy on the Floor with Hedo and still run your offense. Or, at least, I think that was the idea.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other part of Hedo is that he's pretty interchangable in some ways defensively
And offensively. It would make the Blazers far more versatile than they are now.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is clearly better.
It’s still a fair point in defending Turk. This year he could rely on Howard, Lewis, and himself. Howard and Lewis are not exactly wizards at creating their own shots. Cover those Two and Turk is pretty easily forced into a bad shot.
Roy has more options, and is better.
I was not for signing Hedo but I think his efficiency would have seen an overall increase in our system alongside Roy.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd
Kidd still makes the other players around him shine. He might not rack up the personal stats, but he’d be a great two year pick up for us. I’d love that move.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And his rebounding is insane for a point guard. Rebounding at positions other than the frontcourt is greatly undervalued.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't make anyone on the Mavericks shine
Who on the Mavs was definitley better with Kidd?
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kidd
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd makes all of them better
If/when he leaves Dallas, the numbers for everyone who is left will go down. Knows how to get guys the ball where they like it, veteran presence, etc. It wasn’t for no reason that he was courted by Kobe and others to play on the ‘08 Olympic team. I’d be plenty happy if we could get him on a 3 year deal.
by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk said he loves him some Jason Kidd
Dirk’s PER in the playoffs this year was the best in his career.
by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hit's a high number of his 3's too
che’s got a strong catch and shoot game
by Peteyhasnohead on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a huge point in Kidd's favor
Is his lack of “me-first”, especially to the point of a stated willingness to mentor a young PG.
by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Me too. Thank goodness he’s not coming here. 5 year deal is/was too much.
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
by doublezeroduck on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's get Lamar Odom?
Hey, it’s worth 8-9 mill for all the knee slapping Oden Odom jokes we’ll be hearing.
by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
even though im thinking the same things… im starting to feel bad for turk.
i wouldnt doubt fan reaction had something to do with him not playing here.
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This feels like
when your at the car dealership and almost buy a car you know you shouldn’t. You spend hours haggling over the price all along ignoring the knot in your gut that say’s no matter what kind of deal you strike, your going to over pay and be sad. Then at the last minute the financing falls through and in the end you feel utter relief that it didn’t work out. Almost like that…….
by Flapbreaker on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
As Ice Cube once said, "today was a good day."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RY-eJgHHs
I’m so, so glad that Hedo — or his wife, perhaps — choose Toronto over Portland.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's all relative though
Depends on the other available options. Even if you don’t like Turk, it remains to be seen whether there’s a better available use of the Blazers cap space.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saving PA some luxury tax money is also a purpose
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man im depressed now
time to watch the notebook
by Brandon Roy on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Mrs. Hedo!!!
I’m really happy that your husband doesn’t have the stones to shut you down…lol
Time to go after Bibby and Williams!
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
by raggmopp on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok my thoughts.
first the good news. the good news is that we shouldn’t have upset anyone except maybe a wee bit of lamarcus and maybe a little of rudy by trying to do this…. We also can move into next season with the team that carried us to 56 wins.
We also in the event that we don’t spend all our dough in one shot have the flexability to make trades and move larger contracts on board (right? or wrong?)
with toronto gutting thier roster and putting that many more free agents onto the market does it shake up the “signing” of any other free agents?
deep thoughts man deep thoughts… now dream up the unthinkable.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
;)
ya get it then :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 4, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yaaaaaaay!!!!!
I did not want hedo at all. I’m a fan of the blazers first a foremost and if kp trusted he was the guy, I would’ve gotten on board. But I have to say, watching the news from ben today, I was, at best, cautiously optimistic about his fit.
I don’t know who’s better that’s a free agent, so I don’t feel so bad that we went after him with our cap room, but I think a lop-sided trade to put us over the top and consolidate talent will be better for us.
I’ll take Batum and a healthy Martell over Hedo.
by Montavilla Steve on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we pry Artest out of his deal now?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he'd rather come to Portland than LA.
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's definitely crazy enough to back out of an agreement.
Let’s do it.
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously folks, there's a whole lot of serious NBA people who think Artest makes the Lakers better than last year
ARTEST!! Dude, we could have him, no joke, 3 years for 18 million he’s being offered now, you now Artest will drop that like a bad habit if we boost that to 30 million, I’m gonna die if people don’t see this, and that he’d be a fantastic plan b for PDX
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reluctantly
I have to agree with that
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be reluctant too if I was gonna self-immolate my cred like that...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
We do not need any more character issue guys like Artest.
Love his game, but I don’t think Blazer management can do that yet.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest!! A 30 million risk on a better D/slightly younger player, in my humble opinion, is better than 50 million on Hedo...
I’ll tell you this…I don’t care what Artest says, his agent will be sweating beads of joy at this moment, and I guarentee you he’ll be an advocate for PDX, every dollar in Artest’s pocket is a bit more in his
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the worse that can happen???
We sign him for 30 million, he explodes (not likely, at least completely), and then we go Jamal Tinsley on him, pay him to stay away, and continue to win 55 games a year as Batum goes into Beast Mode!!!
THE UPSIDE IS HUGE!!!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We discussed Artest back in April
and came to the consensus that Ron-Ron and Nate would mix like oil/water
I’d rather target Odom. Or see if Dumars would want to do a lopsided trade for Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell
Gerald Wallace would be a better choice than Artest, as well
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
I wasn’t too big on Hedo. I was in “trust in KP mode”, but personally, I didn’t think it was a very good idea. Hopefully KP has backup plans, and if its shawn marion, I might cry. Do not want…
The Bedger formally known as ????????
by Rudiculous on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am very, VERY elated.
I was warming up to the idea, but only because I felt obligated to as a die hard Blazer fan. I had the biggest sigh of relief accompanied by a huge smile once I read this. From what I’ve seen, most of you are against signing Millsap. He has a large asking price, and would likely want to start where ever he decided to go… BUT… If under the right circumstances, Millsap were to sign with the Blazers, what would an acceptable asking price be?
by giovanni on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i believe he would be smarter
signing the 1 year qualifying offer for 1mil, and becoming an unrestricted FA next year i believe when everyone has cap room and there will be a lot of losers in the superstar sweepstakes using their money
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Wallace!
We will boo Hedo, but I never wanted him as* anyways! KP, its time to go after Gerald Wallace and Brandon Bass
by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm in for booing Hedo when Toronto comes to Portland
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With this Hedo junk out of the way, it's time to trade for Kirk Hinrich!
Unlike Hedo Turkoglu, Hinrich is cool enough to sign his name on anything.
Plus, Chicago Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf would probably be irritiated seeing Hinrich wear a Cubs hat.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure?
Heinrich would be a good fit, but we need that 3rd scorer first, and a backup PF second.
by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, improving the perimeter defense is of the utmost importance.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
And Hedo was supposed to be the answer to that question? Gerald Wallace is an excellent defender of his position, and Brandon Bass could help Oden/Priz clean up after Blake & the rest of our guards
by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best quality about Brandon Bass is neither defense nor rebounding, but rather his ...
mid-range jump shooting efficiency for a backup power forward. Right next to Joel Przybilla on the frontline, Bass’ skill set would mesh perfectly. Yet, with Jeff Pendergraph already on board, the need for Bass isn’t there — especially compared to how much Kirk Hinrich would help out the team — thus, it’s probably not in the cards.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a Hinrich deal probably won’t happen, though i’m still holding out hope.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. We've got potential scorers.
Oden’s increased numbers, Rudy’s sophomoric improvement, Martell potentially making his return, and though you don’t like him, Bayless getting consistent time.
Hinrich can help Oden on the PnR anyways.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else?
Who’s our scorer then? Thats what KP saw in Hedo, its obviously not his defense!
by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more his playmaking than scoring.
Hinrich can execute a successful PnR. Which is something we really need on offense. With the way we’re built we should be a heavy PnR team. We just need someone who is good at entry passes, I’m praying Roy and Bayless have been working on such a skill. Hinrichs D to me is enough to get him in a Blazer uni though.
I’m confident that one of Oden, Rudy or Bayless steps up as a true third option this year if we don’t pick one up. I think Bayless and Rudy can create their own shots if coach gives them the green light.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramon Sessions
There’s your PnR guy. But he’s not a great choice to play “off” of Roy because of his erratic jumper
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by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My oh my...
what to do now, what to do now???
by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm bummed.
I was very comfortable that Hedo would make us a better team. I don’t worry about money because we gotta use it or lose it, and by we I mean Mr. Allen.
Now I don’t know if we’re going to get ANYONE other than some backup. I want a veteran who is a difference maker! We got heaps of good young players with potential, but potential is about 60% junk.
by levelhed on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we got a picture of Mrs. Turkoglu somewhere?
I got this from searching the internet, so I cannot vouch for its accuracy:

Certainly a charming soul. I can imagine her crying, “I want a cosmopolitan shopping district, Hedo! I want to go down St. Denis any time I want!”
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's actually quite understandable as to why he chose to please her
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
she must be tall
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think NBA wives have to carry around a crate
to stand on for photo ops. Or wear 20" heels. Something in the CBA.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should sign her to a two-year deal
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm on the train for that...
Maybe we should sign her to a two-year deal
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turk dosen't look bad
I think he is actually quite good looking (for a turk)
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops St Denis is in Montreal
my bad
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Battier?
"We didn’t pick Blair because of his history of fat-assery" -BlazerTag
by 5212872 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
...Battier!
"We didn’t pick Blair because of his history of fat-assery" -BlazerTag
by 5212872 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HaHa
Thats great. And Battier would be even better than Hedon’t
by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
truehoop
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-22/Hedo-Turkoglu-s-About-Face.html
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think in his
house analogy Henry should have inserted himself in role of guy who says deal is done but isn’t.
by TSE on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't the toronto offer actually less
with the crazy high canadian taxes? he (read:his wife) really must have not been sold on the city if so. or maybe i’m missing something
by ljm42 on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PER
Hmm… looking at 3’s or international players, hedo isn’t even on the top 20 list for either. You know who is? Travis Outlaw.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the problem is that Travis is an iso player and tends to cause offensive stagnation.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Travis is more dangerous as a pure scorer, but Hedo is one of the better passing, better team defending SFs in the league and Trout is one of the worst in both areas
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the point is still there
that when looking at one of the main aggregate metrics, Hedo is NOT a big star. Hedo is also not highly regarded as an overall defender.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 billion
rec’d…. and best of all, sig’d.
by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with reducing everything a players does to just a number
- Carl
by tominhawaii on Jul 4, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a fairly ridiculous comment given that Kevin Pritchard references it all the time
Its miles from perfect, but still highly useful.
by jksnake99 on Jul 4, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Randolph is listed 7th in PER at PF
Ahead of LaMarcus, David Lee, Millsap, Boozer, Landry, and Beasley.
Let’s trade for Zach Randolph!
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously I'm not saying it's the only consideration
But TO isn’t poison like Z-Bo
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a perfect example of why a separate look at defense-- using both qualatative and quantatative information--
is needed along with a stat like PER.
by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for proving my point.
the problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap
Zach Randolph is listed 7th in PER at PF
Ahead of LaMarcus, David Lee, Millsap, Boozer, Landry, and Beasley.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, my bad, he is signing for a little more
I doubt that’ll change the regret though if Toronto goes nowhere.
by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will always be bad players who look good statistically.
That’s why you COMBINE statistics with an informed impression of how the player performs.
But, you’re probably right, we should just ignore PER. In fact, let’s also ignore how many points a player scores, how many rebounds they get, how many shots they block, etc. It’s not like those things are important for winning basketball games, right?
Sorry for the snark, but it really annoys me when people write something (or someone) off as “crap” instead of explaining why they disagree.
by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PER's problem
Is it overvalues scoring. Take whatever the simple version of PER is, and try inputting different values of shots made and attempted. The break-even point (aka where shooting more at the same % doesn’t change your PER) is in the low 30s for all FGs. So a player could take 50 shots, make 20, and it would increase their per over taking 20 shots and making 10.
by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well there might be other problems too
this is just the most glaring
by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D?
He also frequently forgets who he is guarding
by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Henry
As for the Blazers? Well, no one likes wasting all that time almost getting a deal done. But there are worse thing than being back on the market, with nearly $9 million a year to spend.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to elaborate
We have capspace, we have assets, we have a winning team, we can get a trade done that benefits us way more than Hedo would have.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those that wanted Ariza...
“A source tells HOOPSWORLD that Kupchak was prepared to give Ariza an offer equivalent to the full MLE but at 10.5% raises, totaling at approximately $33.8 million over five years.
…
LA’s ceiling might have been a $6 million starting salary for $36 million over five but before negotiations progressed after 9:00pm Pacific on Tuesday night, the source says that Ariza’s agent, David Lee, took a confrontational approach with Kupchak.
Lee wanted a deal in the $50 million range and took offense to the team’s stance that Trevor should test the market first for that level of compensation.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The sting of Bynum hurts doesn't it.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza has to be angry at his agent. He goes from LA to Houston and will make less money.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
malpractice
dude should be fired in a heartbeat. Trevor should take some control of his own career, but it’s crazy how often agents dictate moves like this by being vindictive rather than pursuing their client’s best interests.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Lee (agent)
is a complete egotistical tool. He plays hardball through the media and ends up screwing teams or his client.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes me wonder what Odom's "ceiling" is
And if Lamar would “take the money” and come to Portland, if KP offered it?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza only became the next coming of Jesus becuz the Lkaers won the title.
Ther’s no proof he’ll be better than what we’ll hav next yer in martell and nic.
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Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no proof, true, but we do have the pretty strong evidence that is the fact that Ariza has put up very strong numbers and excellent defense the last 3 years
with 1+ of those years being played in Orlando, not LA.
by jksnake99 on Jul 4, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me do Hedo Haiku
This dude from Turkey
Hedon’t wanna play for us?
Portland FTW!
Prediction: “Hedon’t” = Oregonian SP headline tomorrow
by The Penguin on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please start a thread for Hedo Haiku (explaining the rules of Haiku and inviting contributions below).
Big hit coming…
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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to the first fanshot
about the hedo rejection thing, he should get something for being the first to post it. Or not. whatever.
by twggyy on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay people, I still have hope....
Maybe KP will never be able to get a high profile FA to sign with the blazers and I have made peace with that. We do have a 54 win team built on practically all draft picks and a starter that was out all season and another starter that was out practically half the season and they are still all very young. I say we just go out and get a back up power forward that can bang and see where we end up next year. I’m not worried in the least!
by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rick Bucher said
Portland is not cosmo politan enough for Hedu.
by Kosta0027 on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
she must be a high maintainence type
by Peteyhasnohead on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or ex-model
who wants to attend runway shows in ny
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacramento, San Antonio, and Orlando
Hey, can’t really match those cities right there. LOL.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know, I forgot that Hedo has played his entire NBA career in small cities.
I guess it was time for something different:
- He had a shot at a ring in Sacramento.
- He had a shot at a ring in Orlando.
- He would have had multiple shots at a ring in Portland.
- He’ll have no shot at a ring in Toronto, other that the ones his wife buys at those cosmopolitan, high-end stores that are so common in that large, cosmopolitan city.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 4, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pritch Slapped
Yes, he was. Hedo played the Blazers for a better deal from Toronto. Clearly his agent leaked the “agreement in principle” disinformation.
by tiesque on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes a lot of sense
But both sides got what they needed. Hedo got more money and we got no Hedo.
by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ a more motivated Martell and Batum.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need to make a Hedo to Portland t-shirt to wear during summer league.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Just Ask
Joel Pryzbilla, Steve Blake, Rudy Fernandez, Kevin Pritchard, Ronald McDonald and Mayor Sam Adams
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol'd @
Ronald McDonald
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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Bonner is coming to Portland?
CIP was calling him “Ronald McDonald” last week
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on a reliable source that Sam Adams does indeed hate his city.
My sources are reliable, I got it from twitter.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should for all the crap he's getting
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry, my comment wasnt meant as any kind of political stange argument.
Those never end well on the internet…or anywhere.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember, Sam waited until the minute he turned 18 to hav
sexual relations with him. For that we should give him a raise! :p.
Glad i don’t live in Multnomah County. More jerks, more traffic, more crime, all for more taxes.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about Hedo to Portland in 2014 t shirt
by Kosta0027 on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Soooooo... how will the Rose Garden react when Toronto is in town this Winter?
by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we will cheer happily
for hedo wearing purple
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As we beat them by 40
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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we have to sign a FA this year. Seems like we should wait a year. Much better class for 2010.
by the mole on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We won't have cap space next year
Extending LMA + Roy this year then Oden next will eat up our cap for years to come
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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's use it or lose it
2009, unfortunatley.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a sudden rush at the end of a frenzied week, the Toronto Raptors have remade their roster and signed free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, The Globe and Mail has confirmed.
The versatile Orlando Magic forward appeared poised to sign with the Portland Trail Blazers until a late bid by the Raptors — in excess of $50-million over five seasons for the 30 year-old — caused the change of heart, even as Turkoglu was in Portland visiting with the Trail Blazers.
Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50-million (all currency U.S.) deal with the Blazers, but will sign with the Raptors for more than $10-million a season. Signing Turkoglu means the Raptors will have to renounce their rights to their existing free agents – Shawn Marion, Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker – to create the cap space for Turkoglu.
by Ben. on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that is just a horrible contract.
Hedo to Portland in ’14.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then maybe the wife factor is overblown
If he’s getting paid more by Raptors. I wish they’d just be honest instead of acting like he had nobler motives than the pursuit of cash.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one can sign
Till the 8th. So what else in that story is wrong?
Sorry if I appear to be whining, but I’m not very trusting of the NBA press tonight.
by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No that is not enough to get $10M looking at Storyteller's Toronto salaries
They have to rescind the qualifying offer to Joey Graham. They have to cut Patrick O’Brien and they have to renounce or trade their draft pick (#9 DeMar DeRozan) and get $1.9M more and with all of those they are at $47.435M which almost gets to $9.865M under the cap (if it is $57.3M). Or they have to trade another of their remaining 9 players and take back nothing, I believe Storyteller’s and Dave’s tutelage included that there is a cap hold for each spot below 13 so that might be another $4M they would have to trade. They could hurry a sign their 2nd round draft picks – oh wait they did not have any second round draft picks. Could they be tanking for another #1 pick in the draft?
Is is just me or is nobody doing their homework? My bet is that it is not for the reported $60M or even the $56M. Somebody is spinning here to save face? Now a fix would be to do a upside down trade of Calderon to Portland….. nah we wouldn’t bail them out – just wait for the contraction sale.
by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the FO will switch up
and go from one blazer killer we dont want (turk) to another (kleiza)
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Somebody's gonna get booed when they come into the Rose Garden
I was his biggest supporter. Now all I can say is what a douchebag.
by ajinoregon on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry dude. You were the first one to step up on the Hedo train. I have to admit.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo's wife: bless her little heart.
Thank you Mrs. glue, than you very very much. You will only know later how much you’ve helped our franchise.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the best thing to come from this whole ordeal
is the picture nork put up in the other thread of a possible picture of hedo’s wife…..
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is one of those things that ends up turning out for the best
Maybe we can put together a package for Devin Harris. Rudy/Travis/Jerryd?
Btw, thanks blzrfan
by ajinoregon on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that this is a done deal, a few random comments...
1. He’s going to get badly booed in Portland, with the crowd reacting like a 16 year old girl who asked a guy to prom and got rejected.
2. If Portland is anywhere close to the Finals in the next 5 years, Hedo will try to hide his regret better than Baron Davis did in LA last season.
3. If Hedo misses his chance at a title because of this move (for the same money!), I’d not want to be in their house.
4. It feels like Hedo had a grudge against us, and held the team at bay while all the other free agents signed elsewhere, then spurned us for a team who is likely not headed toward the finals. I don’t appreciate that.
by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey obviously doesn't care about a title
that’s why he left Orlando. He just wanted the most money he could get.
by Docproc on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reports say he got the same money in Toronto as Portland was offering
That eliminates money as the motive.
by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was getting $6 million more with Toronto
Pre-tax, of course. But that’s the difference between Steve Austin and Bionic G-Force Hamster
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wont he actually make less due to the canadian taxes?
by tmundal on Jul 3, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhhhh
He doesnt know that yet
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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
much less
Although Oregon knocks an extra 9%—soon to be much more if the legislature has its way.
Plus in Canada you have to travel somewhere else to get any medical procedures done.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it fair to say the Portland organization got Turkslapped?
At the very least, they got played. Part of the “game”.
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everything happens for a reason
Just wait, we will get something better. no sweat.
by Brandon Roy on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hated how teams were able to focus their defense on you last year.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping that's the real B-Roy....
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could only force people to come here by trade
nobody will sign with us
by Kosta0027 on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more playoff beards for you.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
what a rollercoaster ride. i cant even imagine what will happen between now and wednesday
In KP I Trust!
by JamesHollywoodRobinson on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Confused
But, I’m not a Blazer fan either.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure. Is KP having fun yet?
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My head just exploded.
"Man, you are one pathetic loser. No offense."
by Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need a “Hedo in 2014” shirt. Summer league won’t be right without it.
by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im confused
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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its ok
i get confused when you and roybot are on the same thread around the same page myself …..
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It confuses me sometimes too
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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, everytime I think I can finally rest because it's over
There’s a new twist.
Admit it, this whole debacle is part of your mastermind plan to generate more traffic for this site. I bet Hedo agreed to go to Toronto on the first, and you’ve been manipulating all major sports media outlets/websites for your own personal gain.
Yeah, I know you have that kind of power.
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we just play now?
Let’s just pick teams and go. Basketball, baseball, curling, whatever.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure. Is KP having fun yet?
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
never a dull moment in the blazer off-season
by JamesHollywoodRobinson on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Never a dull moment in Blazer Mania
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When one lives and dies on every word that comes typed out of the magic box...
…life can never become dull.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes
I forget you are one of the “official” laureate’s round here.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soon to be Laureate Emeritus.
As soon as this free-agent mess is calmed down, Dave’ll probably name a new one.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just means the wealth is spread around
You got another just as important job to control the morons around here.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't turn this into Crash, Hinrich or someone out of the blue
Freaking ugh. I didn’t understand why you guys didn’t want Hedo to start with, and I don’t know what we do now.
by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
at least we dont
need to hire another translator
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Victor Claver
Well, Victor Claver sounds a lot like Hedo Turkoglu JR – 6’10", athletic, playmaker and shoot outside.
by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
well be fine. we have roy we have l train we have rudy we have a very deep team. the future is ours
by JamesHollywoodRobinson on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Player
Danilo Gallinari – fits in the mold of Hedo Turkoglu.
by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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