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Reports: Hedo Changed His Mind, Likely to Become a Toronto Raptor

** This post will be regularly updated as news comes in **

In a complete about-face from this morning's initial report, Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers no longer have an agreement in principle in place.  

Questions about the agreement were first mentioned by Ric Bucher on ESPNews and later raised by Jason Quick of The Oregonian.

Multiple reports now cite the Toronto Raptors as Hedo Turkoglu's likely destination, with a potential deal in the neighborhood of 5 years and $56 million, an offer that Portland cannot easily match.

This turn of events is a crushing blow to the carefully-laid free agency plans of Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan.

ESPN summarizes the turn of events...

After ESPN.com reported the agreement in principle, several news organizations confirmed it, using sources. Late Friday afternoon, the Oregonian reported that Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard and Turkoglu's agent, Lon Babby, had not confirmed the deal, but that talks were continuing.    

Jason Quick of the Oregonian is reporting...

After a hectic 24 hours of face-to-face negotiations, The Oregonian has learned that free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu rejected the Trail Blazers' $50 million offer and announced he will look for another team.

"He's not coming,'' a source familiar with the negotiations said Friday evening.

In the end, it wasn't the money, it wasn't the team, and it wasn't the length of the contract.

"It just wasn't the right fit,'' the source said. "When you are talking about that much money, everybody involved has to feel great. If you don't on either side, it doesn't work.''

ESPN's Ric Bucher reported that Turkoglu's wife played a major factor in the decision

David Aldridge of NBA.com is reporting...

An already crazy free agent period in the NBA got downright bizarre on Friday, with the supposed sure deal between free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers falling apart late in the afternoon, with the veteran seriously contemplating taking an offer from the Toronto Raptors that may be in excess of the five-year, $50 million proposal the Blazers have had on the table since the start of the negotiating period on Wednesday.

"He won't be coming" to Portland, a league source said late Friday.    

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting...

Free agent Hedo Turkoglu has backed out of his commitment to the Portland Trail Blazers and plans to sign with the Toronto Raptors, a source close to the talks told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50 million deal with the Blazers, but changed his mind and could be headed for a five-year, $56 million deal with the Raptors.

ESPN.com and Ric Bucher now report...

Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu has broken off negotiations with the Portland Trail Blazers, a source told ESPN's Ric Bucher on Friday night.

Yahoo! Sports reported that Turkoglu backed out of his earlier commitment and has his sights set on Toronto. Yahoo! Sports reported that Toronto can offer Turkoglu about $6 million more than Portland, but would have to trim its roster to do it.

Friday night, a report from the National Post newspaper in Canada said Turkoglu was close to signing with the Raptors, who could have to consider renouncing the rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino.    

Bruce Arthur of the National Post writes....

The Toronto Raptors are very close to signing Orlando Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu as a free agent, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. The franchise had been weighing the move for days, and it was even reported yesterday by numerous outlets that the Turkish forward had signed with the Portland Trail Blazers.

But Turkoglu broke off negotiations with Portland late in the evening, and appeared headed for Toronto. The Raptors could offer a deal beginning around US$10-million per year for as much as five years, with annual raises bringing the contract's maximum total to somewhere near US$56-million.

The deal does require Toronto to gut the team's roster depth, since Turkoglu's deal will force the team to renounce the rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, and Carlos Delfino. It may also force the Raptors to forgo the use of the mid-level exception, which was about US$5.5-million last year.    

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com, who confirmed ESPN's report this morning, now writes...

Hours after agreeing in principle to a five-year contract with the Trail Blazers, free agent Hedo Turkoglu abruptly ceased negotiations and appears headed to the Toronto Raptors, a person directly involved in the negotiations told CBSSports.com.

"Hedo is headed to Toronto," said the person, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. "To sign."

But after a whirlwind day in which Turkoglu and his representative, Lon Babby, gave a verbal commitment to sign with the Blazers -- or were done in by what one rival executive termed "too many leaks and not enough info" -- determining Turkoglu's final landing spot is best left to those getting the signatures.

The situation was rapidly unfolding, and it was unclear Friday night whether Turkoglu had second thoughts or Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo swooped in and played his trump card -- the fact that Turkoglu and his wife were said to prefer landing in Toronto.     

Henry Abbott has just posted the following...

Then, according to sources, something crazy happened. Hedo Turkoglu shifted course, deciding late in the day that he wanted a different house. 

The Raptors had been serious in their pursuit of Shawn Marion and Carlos Delfino. Now the most likely scenario is that they'll be renounced or traded, along with Anthony Parker. To clear the kind of cap room that would be required to sign Turkoglu would probably take renouncing every free agent Toronto has, including Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Jake Voskuhl and some cap holds from players overseas. That would give the Raptors room to offer Turkoglu more money than Portland was offering -- although there are plenty of details left to be worked out, especially as Toronto may first try to trade some of those players instead of letting them go for nothing.

Toronto, as a roster and a city, offer an international flavor that Portland does not have. And with similar money, that proved more appealing than anyone had thought it would.

As for the Blazers? Well, no one likes wasting all that time almost getting a deal done. But there are worse thing than being back on the market, with nearly $9 million a year to spend. 

More from Ken Berger of CBSSports.com. He writes..

The details of how Turkoglu would wind up with the Raptors were sketchy. But given the fact that Toronto had already engaged in discussions about re-signing Marion and Delfino -- with varying degrees of progress -- signs pointed to a more complicated sign-and-trade avenue. That would entail multiple parties signing on, including the Magic, who have quietly stayed in the background of Turkoglu's quest for a new home after acquiring Vince Carter from the Nets last week to protect themselves against losing him. Such a scenario could drag on for days because of the moving parts involved, and the person familiar with Turkoglu's decision to spurn the Blazers for the Raptors did not know the details of how it would be worked out.

It is believed that Turkoglu's preference for Toronto was not the only factor. As always, money was the other, according to a source. In order to trump Portland's expected five-year, $50 million offer, Toronto would've needed to renounce its rights to Marion, Delfino, and Parker. Doing so would've allowed the Raptors to exceed the max Portland could pay by about $800,000 annually. It wasn't clear Friday night whether Portland drove a harder bargain after seeing Toronto's options dwindle; whether Colangelo swooped in with an 11th-hour bid; or whether Turkoglu's camp simply had second thoughts or believed it could get a better deal from the Raptors.

If anything was clear in this bizarre negotiation, it was that Turkoglu's discussions with the Blazers appeared irreparably broken.

"It's called an agreement in principle," one source said in describing the agreement between Turkoglu and the Blazers, without elaborating.    

UPDATE (8:40PM): MICHAEL GRANGE TORONTO GLOBE AND MAIL SAYS HEDO IS CONFIRMED AS A RAPTOR.

In a sudden rush at the end of a frenzied week, the Toronto Raptors have remade their roster and signed free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, The Globe and Mail has confirmed.

The versatile Orlando Magic forward appeared poised to sign with the Portland Trail Blazers until a late bid by the Raptors -- in excess of $50-million over five seasons for the 30 year-old -- caused the change of heart, even as Turkoglu was in Portland visiting with the Trail Blazers.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50-million (all currency U.S.) deal with the Blazers, but will sign with the Raptors for more than $10-million a season. Signing Turkoglu means the Raptors will have to renounce their rights to their existing free agents - Shawn Marion, Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker - to create the cap space for Turkoglu.

ESPN.com is now reporting...

Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu changed his mind Friday, deciding not to join the Portland Trail Blazers, opting instead to accept an offer from the Toronto Raptors, sources told ESPN.com.

The Raptors last-minute bid will give Turkoglu all of the salary-cap space they will get by renouncing their rights to Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino. The Raptors expect to have about $10.1 million in cap space to give to Turkoglu for his first-year salary; he would get an eight percent annual raise over the next four seasons of the deal, a source told ESPN.com.

The Raptors have until July 7 to renounce Marion, Delfino and Parker, so it remains a possibility and that a sign-and-trade deal could take shape. But as of now, it is straight up deal between Turkoglu and Toronto.
Turkoglu's decision to go to the Raptors sent shock waves throughout the NBA as he apparently became the first player to renege on an agreement in principal since Carlos Boozer left Cleveland for Utah in 2004.    

Bruce Arthur of the National Post now writes...

Make no mistake, this is a gamble. This is a roll of the dice in so many ways that the Raptors might as well put a roulette table at the end of the bench. That bench, incidentally, will now consist of a 6-foot-6 growler, a second-year point guard who looks 15, a guy whose nickname is Hump, and rotation players to be named later.

Yes, the Toronto Raptors, as they will soon be constituted, will be Chris-Bosh-as-a-rookie-thin, and short on stuff like rebounding and defence. But the pending acquisition of free agent Hedo Turkoglu is also a coup for a team whose relevance will be continue to be questioned until it makes some playoff noise. And it is sure as hell more likely to do that now that the team is very close to an agreement with Turkoglu, the 6-foot-10 forward from the Orlando Magic, as first reported Friday night by the National Post.

Bill Simmons tweets...

Hedo changed his mind in Portland after seeing Greg Oden limp towards him for a handshake. (Waiting.) What, too soon?

Seriously: Portland, you dodged a bullet. Hedo peaked 2 years ago. He might be 33 for all we know. You're better off. Trust me.

Mike Barrett writes...

... According to one very reliable source, I can tell you that Portland's part in this is over.

The Raptors are in a position to be able to reportedly offer Turkoglu a 5-year deal, worth over $56 million. The Blazers probably could get in a position to match that, but it wouldn't be easy, and I'm glad they're not trying to get there. As I'm sure you know, it's believed the Blazers were offering 5-years, $50 mill. 

Sometimes it's simply about money, and it appears this is one of those cases. That's not being critical of Turkoglu at all, that's just the way it is. He said as much at PDX Thursday afternoon upon arriving.

...

As others have reported, including ESPN's Ric Bucher, Turkoglu's wife apparently strongly favored Toronto over Portland, because of its international population and culture. Of course, we can't confirm at this point if that was truly a factor. I can confirm that she wasn't with him on this trip to Portland, so I'm not sure what she had to comp are it to. Either way, it doesn't matter now.    

UPDATE (9:45PM): Mike Barrett's post linked above has been pulled from Blazers.com.

UPDATE (9:57PM): To view a PDF of the blog post that was removed from Mike Barrett's blog, click here.

Tim Chisholm of TSN.CA writes...

I'm stunned.
 
Not because Hedo Turkoglu reneged on his deal with Portland, because all indications are that there was, in fact, no deal agreed upon.

Not because of the amount of money Hedo is being paid, because while it's more than he's worth it's the way the free agent game gets played.

UPDATE: (10:12PM) DAVID ALDRIDGE OF NBA.COM WRITES TURKOGLU HAS MADE VERBAL COMMITMENT TO TORONTO RAPTORS. 5 YEARS AND MORE THAN $60 MILLION.

Here's the link.

An already crazy free agent period in the NBA got downright bizarre on Friday, with the supposed sure deal between Orlando free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu and the Portland Trail Blazers falling apart late in the afternoon, and the veteran, late Friday evening, making a verbal commitment to the Toronto Raptors on a five-year deal that will pay him in excess of $60 million, according to league sources.

Turkoglu's change of heart--he was in Portland Thursday and Friday, meeting with team officials along with his agent, Lon Babby--came after the Raptors decided to do what they had been reluctant to do until then--renounce their rights to several of their own free agents, including forward Shawn Marion and guards Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino, in order to create the more than $10 million in cap room necessary to make a superior offer to Portland's.

A league source divulged late Friday that Portland's offer to Turkoglu was actually $57 million over five years, not the $50 million that has been reported. But by deciding to renounce their rights to the free agents, the Raptors can give Turkoglu a deal averaging more than $12 million annually. They only have a little more than $48 million committed for next season, including the first-year salary of rookie swingman DeMar DeRozan, taken ninth overall.    

Ric Bucher now reports...

Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu changed his mind Friday and decided not to join the Portland Trail Blazers, opting instead to accept a five-year $53 million offer from the Toronto Raptors, sources told ESPN.com.
The decision left the Blazers livid and was a huge coup for the Raptors, who have promised Turkoglu all of the salary-cap space they will have from renouncing their rights to Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino, which will likely add up to a starting salary in the $10.1 million range, with eight percent annual raises.

...

Turkoglu will make about $3 million more over the life of the contract than he would have made in Portland, but a bigger reason for his change of heart, a source told ESPN.com, was his desire to play in Toronto, a more international and cosmopolitan city -- one with a large Turkish population -- and his familiarity with the Eastern Conference after having spent the last five seasons with the Magic.

Turkoglu's about-face sent shockwaves throughout the NBA, and parallels were being drawn between his decision and the 2004 episode when Carlos Boozer reneged on a deal to re-sign with Cleveland after they released him from his contract, then stunned the Cavs by signing with Utah. The difference in this case, according to one person with detailed knowledge of the discussions, was that Turkoglu did not intentionally or unintentionally deceive the Blazers, but instead had a change of heart after giving the Blazers his word.    

John Hollinger opines on ESPN Insider... 

Anyone who saw the footage of Hedo Turkoglu meeting Blazers bigwigs at Portland International Airport on Thursday had to get a little bit of a weird feeling. Especially any married guys. Turkoglu came alone, amid rumors that his wife very strongly preferred to be in Toronto, and I remember thinking at that very moment that the Blazers recruiting pitch was doomed to failure. It was going to be tough to sell her on the charms of Portland if she wasn't there.

Thus, despite two days of Chamber of Commerce weather here in the Rose City, replete with blue skies and Mt. Hood views, and tours of the Blazers' first-rate training facility in Tualatin, Turkoglu isn't coming to the Blazers. After an 11th-hour Boozerang that will forever immortalize him as "Hedon't" in the local vernacular, the Turkoglus are heading to Toronto instead -- a place they never visited on this free-agent tour, apparently because they didn't need to be sold on it.
...

As for the Blazers, they can go in several directions from here, and can at least take comfort in the fact that they control the free-agent game until they make their next move. Portland might want to go after Sessions, a good young point guard who fills their need for a second quality pick-and-roll player -- albeit at a different position than Turkoglu.

They may also decide to punt on free agency and hope to play the trade market, but that's a risky strategy. If they don't get something done by the trade deadline, the opportunity will basically be gone forever because next year extensions for Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge will kick in, and it's not clear that somebody will come available who fits what they need.

They might also try to make a long-shot run at Lamar Odom, perhaps the best player left on the board and one who, like Turkoglu, could provide another offensive creator while swinging between the two forward spots. But the rainy weather and a location 90 minutes inland don't exactly jibe with Odom's stated preference to live on the beach. The most likely outcome of an Odom pursuit would be driving up the price for the rival Lakers.

Alternatively, the Blazers could try to target a Sixth Man shot creator like New York's Nate Robinson, or make a run at Philadelphia's Andre Miller, the latter not a great fit in my opinion, but a possibility given their need at the point.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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Just as I started warming up to the idea...

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Likewise

Would’ve been a fun first season at least…

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

mee too...

but now i can go from being indifferent to hating him, which has its perks…

by retirecards51 on Jul 3, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly...

"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen

by dougall5505 on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thirded

What an Ender.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Bean

He ain’t worth a Bean, and is definitely no Ender.

I just wish we had a Starter SF.

by 3pointer on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

More like a Bonzo Madrid.

A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT

by GustyJ on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hi

I’m Bonzo Madrid, vice president and general manager of Bird of Prey Motors here in the city of Emphysema. I will stand upon my head until this bird is dead. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Twitter and Fanposts

Make it so this seems like old news to me. I love the internet and Toronto today.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Yessssss!

Hedo to somewhere else.

Let him collect his six million more over five years and never make the playoffs.

Also, this is good for the Blazers.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

::chanting::

Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade! Lopsided Trade!

by Furious Styles on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Rather than having her windshield wipers on all the time?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take 40 and sprinkles over

-10 and ice every winter. In fact, I do!

Toronto is a great city, but I can’t stand the cold. The worst part about PDX winters is the dark cause we’re so far North. And we still beat Toronto on that.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The wierd thing is

I read somewhere that they met in Sacramento? You’d think she was a west-coast

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah

they went to high school together..

by proaxis on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

IN SACRAMENTO

It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It

by 12sharks on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

via Twitter

InsideHoopsI am told Blazers like Shawn Marion but have mixed feelings about offering him a big contract
less than a minute ago from mobile web

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

What?

Obviously is Toronto is releasing him to sign Turk (ho plays the same position) for more money, Marion just isn’t worth it, right?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't want Marion

‘I’ve got to worry about my future,’ Marion said when asked if the uncertainty of Chris Bosh remaining a Raptor factored into his own decision. ‘I’ve got to be selfish right now because I can’t worry about nobody, I’ve got to worry about myself.’"
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/04/shawn-marions-plan-this-summer-be-selfish/

CNNSI’s Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix’s chemistry issues:
Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of the most statistically productive players in the league over the last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is looking to make a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns’ locker room has filtered through the league since Phoenix’s second-round ouster. If you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general manager called him “the worst locker room lawyer in the league”), those problems can only be attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on Phoenix’s bench. He wrote a book, 0:7 Seconds or Less, on his experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and Shawn Marion:
It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd was The Man, then Stephon Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004…Worse, Stoudemire before his injury, seemed to have settled into Second Man status behind Nash, leaving Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star reserve, Marion said, "Ever since I’ve been in Phoenix, I tried to make myself the face of the Suns on and off the court. That’s what it’s all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and D’Antoni are the dual faces, and whenever Marion’s face appears, Stoudemire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy. He appreciates Nash and gets along with him, but doesn’t feel the same about Stoudemire.

"Around here it’s Steve this and Amare’ that," says Marion. "What people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people. I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now. Don’t overlook that.

"The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think that’s wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kevin-garnett-rumors-expose-shawn-marion-s-issues-with-phoenix-suns-ar44363.html

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing with Marion is

No matter where Marion plays next year, he’s going to be angry, because he thinks he’s worth more than he’ll be paid.

Also, we don’t need a small forward, even a versatile defender small forward.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

So an old fart who was recently in the finals and will definitely only continue to decline

doesnt want to be on a team that is a contender but choses a bunch of scrubs over us?

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes he would have

He’d have left the Magic and joined the Blazers. ;)

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Magic Fan with mutual respect here..

And yes I agree with the both of you, but in a sense he wasn’t coming back to Orlando regardless.. Especially since Orlando got Carter.

What up?

by snakethejake on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

now we can

pick up matrix for pennies on the dollar compaired to turk

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

List of players that are done but still get hype: Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Jermaine Oneal

None of those guys are good anymore. They have big contracts and can’t help a team win anymore.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

those players

on new contracts that are nowhere near their previous price tag, would still perform for what you pay for them. no longer “all star” but talent to bide us a couple years and vet exp/training at half the price of turk

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kidd still has some left in the tank.

Kidd actually had a pretty good year this last season. If we gave him a 2-3 year contract I’d be happy. I agree about the other 3 though.

by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

kidd

shoots the 3 good….

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

kidd can shoot the 3 as well as Blake

and more important, he’s an extremely smart player, who is 6’5" (aka big enough to guard a SG if the PG is too quick) and can rebound well. he’s very productive, wouldn’t be demanding of shots or w/e like some big name FAs, and has stated that he’d like to mentor a young PG.

not that he doesn’t have downsides but he’s way better than Blake.

by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marion will whine unless he's paid big bucks

No one can afford to pay him what he thinks he’s worth.

If management insists on signing him, we should make him an offer with only the first year guaranteed and anything else player options. He’ll opt out to try and make more money next year.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was warming up to Hedo to Oden PnR. Oh well.

I am kind of relieved, although I really hope there’s a solid back up plan or two. It really feels like a use or lose it moment for this team. 5 years 50m was absurd though.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep

If Toronto ends up splashing $56m for five years, I’m more than happy to see him go. On to Plan B then.

by TheMadKiwi on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

A Pritchslap by any other name….

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

2006 #1 pick

they pick Bargaini . while we pick up the 2 of the best in the draft LMA and Roy

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well.

Portland+Turkoglu wasnt a good fit in the end. Fans didnt like him, his wife didnt like the city, Turkoglu didnt like the money.

Time to move on.

by NBA China on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

If we can get Marion for 2 years 12-15 million ill be glad to pick him up

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Gross

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

he is a great rebounder for his position SF/PF (our backup PF problems solved too?) he is very atheletic and great perimeter defense. (Travis with Defense).
Why not? He will give you great highlight plays the whole garden will erupt

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

These guys make a better case than I do

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2362

If you thought Hedo was overrated, then Marion is doubly so. Dude has attitude problems and he’s practically quit the last few years.

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow you're still posting

I haven’t seen you in ages.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Doubly so"

Marion is a better defender, rebounder & an all around more efficient player.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just threw up in my mouth

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

so sad

thats how i feel when i hear people wanting turk or hinrich….

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn dude long time no see

or long time no post

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

We would be bidding our selves up in that deal.

Marion caused us to lose Turk if he would have just taken the 8 mill from Toronto we would have got Turk for 50 mill or lower. Marion would be lucky to get more then the midlevel now, seriously how will he get paid?

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Batum Point Forward that is some creative thinking Cabby

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, he started to run the pick and roll at the end of the year and showed pretty good court vision. He actually found the big man rolling a few times… novel concept.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Putting all your eggs in one basket sometimes backfires

It will be interesting to see what plan B is. It would be a shame if they missed out on someone by focusing all energy in one direction.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking about that too

But who have we missed out on? Gordon, Ariza, and Artest? The only one I think would fit on this team is Ariza, and even then it’s just more young talent and not a veteran. I think we’ll be okay.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nor Charlie V

We have not lost by trying.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charley V. we would have been out bid by Detroit unless we went crazy,

Rebounding is nice but Charlie isnt the piece we needed.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick said on Thursday that he had never seen Nate and KP so sure about something as they were about bringing in Hedo.

Think about that, all you Blazer fans who are rejoicing at this news

(The Darius Miles saga continues. And it bites)

I wonder if KP agreed (in principle) to renounce Freeland, or if that money would’ve made any difference?

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

They know better than I

But I’m not sorry.

I didn’t like Hedo for the Blazers. When he spends the next five years declining, we’ll all be thanking our lucky stars he backed out of this deal.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care if he declines or not

What I will be looking at is the team success our team and the players we add and the toronto Raptors, every loss on a poor Raptor team will slowly over years convince him he made the wrong decision also the team will collapse after Bosh leaves.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he tests the waters

long enough for all of the cap money to be spent, then come back at a cheaper price.

by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what's next

Pritchard, time to wow me, because I’m utterly confused…

Chris Dudley for three!

by wilbjammin on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Stomach punch. Now what?

What about Rudy + Trout + filler for Crash Wallace and Nazr Mohammed?

by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Nah

More like when you ask a girl to a dance and all your friends think she’s horrible for you, then she ends up saying no.

A week later, you’re going to wonder what on earth you were thinking.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We could have had Wallace and Mohammed for Batum and RLEC at the TD.

We didn’t want to give up on Nic (or so I read in a few places).

by kobisportsguy on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hinrich or Wallace.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

+1,000,000

my dream targets who are actually in a realistic reach. I would think we can only get one though. Outlaw + Blake works for either salary wise.

I would do something like Outlaw+Martell+Blake for Wallace and a resigned May. Then sign Bibby or whatever we can get with leftovers.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously - May?

They did not even tender him. The impression I have of May is a shorter Eddie Curry without the production but all the fat. Am I wrong?

PER = 6.2
FG% = 39.8%
WS = -0.3

by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just because he's traded here doesn't mean he has to play, LetsBlaze can take care of him.

Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.

by The Pirate on Jul 4, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just have my doubts either of those are attainable

especially since Ben Gordon left the Bulls.

And Wallace may be Charlotte’s best player, and they played very well in the 2nd half (after getting used to Diaw and Bell). They came close to getting in the playoffs. They’re not going to trade Gerald Wallace away from Larry Brown for non-starters (Outlaw) and scraps.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

First, Charlotte is in serious trouble financially. They don’t even have a summer league team.

Second, the Chicago FO might want to clear cap room for Wade in 2010.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Wade?

Doesn’t Rose already play there?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade is a Chicago kid.

Rose is a point guard, Wade is a shooting guard. That would be a ridiculous starting backcourt.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be.

But Roy eats up smaller guards, then feeds them to his young.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was no homerun free agent this summer.

I’m disappointed with how things transpired, but I’m confident in KP. He’ll improve this team so way or another.

Not bitter by any means. Good luck to Hedo and his wife.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

can I be

Both happy and insulted at the same time?

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lopsided trade

So what are the possibilities for a lopsided trade that you’re most interested in? I’m not thrilled with any of the free agents still available (Marion’s gifted, but has an attitude I’ve heard). Let’s get someone who will be a good fit.

by VTDuck on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

"Attitude"

Has been played up bad by the media. I don’t buy it for a second. I don’t think he ever got proper respect for what he did in Phoenix, but around here he would be “the vet” he would take the minutes that Hedo was going to play.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 3, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

More money and May and June off

Bye bye Hedo – thanks for considering us.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

LOL

Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview

by JWise on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree about Batum. He's ready. He's not as accomplished as a vet, but playing him

won’t hurt the team.

Truth be told, I could watch the tream as is. If anyting, tweak the point guards, lessee if Penderaph can bang. Call it good.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wallace/Batum/Aldridge would be simply fantastic three forward rotation.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the burning desire is to maximize the cap space asset. My first preference is Hinrich. Second is Gerald Wallace, mainly due to the fact that he dominates the Lakers.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should take the advice of one Steven Crosby ...

 and love the one you’re with.

Seriously Cabs. You are always pining for some other player. Learn to love and trust the guys we already have.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 6, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, what a shocker.

I wonder who we’re gonna go after now.

by JoeBlazer on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Toronto is Canada's New York and Portland is............................ Portland.

If the dude’s not gonna be happy, best not to do the deal. We know he’d be great value this year and next — but 5 years down the road? Who knows…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

can't beat Buffalo Exchange

for your designer threads. ;-)

Seriously, Portland is the only place in the country where instead of bragging about how much they spent on something, people brag about how little. I love this place.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I know is..

If he/they wanted to pick Toronto over PORTLAND, then they got some real problems

by SugarMoses on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Portland Hedo was #4 In Toronto #2

And with Chris Bosh likely to leave next year he will be #1.

Does that have to do with fit?

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

So I suggest everyone get out their GM cards and post up propositions because

KP needs to make his next decision better. He’ll be coming here to look for ideas.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I am not sure it was a bad plan

But we are better for trying and failing than for not trying. I am glad we didn’t pay major bucks for Ben Gordon and Charlie V.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

new ideas

trade for rubio so we have ricky y rudy combo
trade for crash

trade for amare

i’ve always thought this year would be better suited making a trade then getting a FA

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

people can complain about "character"

being that important to our franchise, how turk fit our model citizen type of player, but without having someone a little rough around the edges, we dont get that gritty playoff play.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a poor assumption

Poor character and gritty play are not synonymous. I’ll never understand why people think being a jerk is the same as being a strong player.

by zaruga on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mo Lucas is a really good guy, for example.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there isn't any thing great on market we could go to MInnesota ask around

Find out how they would like us to spend our money and acquire the players they want combine that with a few players we have they like that we don’t need and trade for Rubio.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Muhahhahhhaaa,

All part of the plan – Kevin Pritchard.

I’m wondering if this wasn’t all a cleverly disguised plan to throw the whole NBA off of the trail of who KP really is after.

by Dmartyparty on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

If only this would happen

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

this was the very first thing that went through my head when I found out Turk turned us down.

In any event, I’m thrilled that he doesn’t want to be here.

by jedge242 on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tour of Portland

included 5 Wal-Marts and two hours circling the rose quarter in rush hour.

by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also Included:

Weather simulation environment. Somebody followed Hedo the whole time with a hose set to sprinkle and a cloud cutout over his head.

by jayzien on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview

by JWise on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Jason Quick said on Thursday (1080) that he had never seen KP and Nate be “so sure” about bringing in a player than Hedo

They just didn’t have quite enough scratch, and Mrs. Turk wanted to live in Toronto

I don’t know what Portland has to do to attract free agents. All L*A has to do is flash their gold and purple logo and they have FAs falling all over themselves to take less money to be a L*ker

It sucks to be small market. But we get to live in the best part of the best country in the world, so that makes up for it, I guess ;^)

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad Channing couldn't actually play the 4...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't that we are a small market

its that we aren’t international and aren’t a large city. TUrk isn’t getting large endorsements from being in toronto vs. portland vs. LA

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

he probably will

if a city has a large population of your ethnicity, you’ll be influenced. You can get more endorsements from the local community plugging their products, and as a national hero to them already, it’s really win/win

by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone know how I might

be able to send some thank you flowers to Mrs. Turkoglu?

by DrivetheLane on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Send them to hell

They’ll get to her eventually.

by LaoTzu on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

well

gut wrenching disappointment mixed with incredible relief i guess.

by Millz on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

i feel ya

"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas

by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you get pretty High?

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Six hours?!

Where have you been the last six days?

It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It

by 12sharks on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad someone else is going to overpay

Hedo couldnt be more overvalued right now

by RidiculousDownside on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

He could, if his name were Ariza

NBA role players gets a five year MLE deal in a thin FA year?

It’s Christmas in Houston!

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a great deal for Houston, actually...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

ariza isnt good

if you look closely at some of arizas tattoos you’ll find:
Product of “The System”
Registered Trademark: Triangle Offense
Made in Your Imagination

by pdxlifer on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing better than not getting Hedo

Is getting another team to bankrupt themselves for him.

by conspirator5 on Jul 3, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

hes ripped my heart out twice now

"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen

by dougall5505 on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

time to trade for gerald wallace?

get it done KP

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe......or maybe not.

You don’t think it’s possible he’d rather play at a team with a chance to win? No reason not to check anyway.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take him. He is cheap.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

why pay a backup 6-8 mil, when we already pay a backup that much.. his name is vanilla gorilla O.o

that would be so much money for depth, when depth gets you to the playoffs, solid starters win in the playoffs

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is looking only to the MLE tops. Which I believe is ~5.6 mil.

I don’t believe he is expecting as much though.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed.... Success!

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly wrong. Millsap is Bass-lite.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Millsap is far better.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to watch the playoffs to realize this

Although it is really close. It’s just about what you’re looking for exactly.

by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol, no

Millsap is way better. The abyss in their rebound rates speaks for itself.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

abyss *between

Damn the lack of an edit button.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Millsap is a better rebounder and slightly more efficient scorer.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Millsap is a decent enough shooter and a crazy good rebounder. I’d much rather have him, though he is a slightly worse fit.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why that's where Portland should put its money

You’re going to need to bid more than $8 million and that’s a lot of money for a guy who will be backing up Aldridge.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think either one will be cheap enough to be Blazers.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Getting either is an unlikely scenario.

by Ben R on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You need 4 legitimate bigs...

and long term, whichever of these guys it’d be would be the #3 guy as Przybilla begins to go.

Thinking about free agent signings as only covering this year is a gigantic mistake for a team not likely to enter its window during the 09/10 season.

by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll always prefer a Przybilla like character backing up Oden

meaning Bass probably is the slightly better long term fit on this team. As good as it sounds to just have the three guys split all the frontcourt minutes, you can’t actually do that. Unless your backup center is more of a shooter, Bass probably would be more useful all around for us.

Why is everyone so down about Hedo? Victor Claver… hello?

by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only if he turns into a point Forward over the summer.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, which one of you sabotaged his Portland pizza taste test?

Fess up, I’ll give you a Rudy Bobblehead. (not really)

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Rec

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

really? It's a block from my house

and all I’ve ever heard is to stay away.

But yeah – pdx’ pizza does kinda blow. My fav. is Escape from NY, but I’m not going all the way to NW 23rd to get it.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i also live in the area

and was told not to go there…. who knows

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, I'll try it

Can’t hurt to try, and if it’s good, it’s so close that I could crawl the pizza home. Thanks!

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I live on the East Coast (DC area)

And the pizza over here sucks. There are a few decent pizza joints in DC, but that’s about it. I haven’t found anything even close to as good as Pizzicato.

by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Troof!

I lived in DC a couple years ago, I swear the best option there is Pizza Hut. Escape From NY, American Dream, Pizza Oasis, Pizzicato, Hot Lips if it were cheaper and they didn’t have this odd habit of caking burnt wheat germ on the underside but their soda is the greatest thing ever…you gripers don’t know how good you’ve got it.

by riptatermen on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think what you're referring to is

semolina. It’s used to slide the pizza off the pan into the oven. They’re supposed to scrape it off.

by giovanni on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh!

I’m learning so much today. Thanks, Hedo!

by riptatermen on Jul 3, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flying Pie is awesome

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy Pizzicato pizza.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you live here long enough, some Portland pizza will start to taste ok.

I quit drinking 23 years ago and now I find that O’Douls actually tastes like beer. Which isn’t surprising if you haven’t had a beer in 23 years.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost any pizza except

that xxxx they sell at the Rose Garden!

by blzrfan1938 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had pizza all over the country

Hot Lips is among the better stuff, for standard crust weight.

Star Pizza in Houston has the best deep dish I’ve tried, but I’m not a Chicago style type.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The National Pizza show is held every year in the west

Las Vegas. And you will find pineapple on many of the sample pies served there. Pizza in the USA is more west style than east and Chicago is a whole different world.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chi and NY do pizza different than everyone else

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a pie a Pizza Due once and it was wonderful, but the best pizza

was the kind I bought by the slice on the boardwalk in atlantic city, way back before they blew it up.

by raoulduke on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try Apizza Scholls

before passing judgement on “everyone else”

by jtkerr79 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

REC

Or Ken’s artisan pizza. Both are better than anything I have ever had on the east cost. By far!!!

by Dub9 on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree. Ken’s and Apizza Scholls are both fantastic.

by malarky on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which make them the weirdos

Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.

by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

All this talk of pizza is making me hungry now.

by Jaedin on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

West side, best pizza and Italian

http://www.nonnaemilias.com/

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I loved that place years ago

it’s time to go back. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've lived in New York for 20+ years and the pizza

is horrible. Floppy, greasy, rubbery. Horrible. Portland’s pizza is far better.

by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, no love for Old Town?

Come on people. I’d wear that like a terry cloth robe on a December morning if I could.

Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.

by MikeIrish on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's yummy

and the espressos are good too. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

sign marion to a one year deal

then have cap freedom for the free agent class of 2010

?

"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas

by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

won’t have cap room due to escalating rookie deals of Oden, Rudy, Bayless, and Batum and Roy/LMA extensions.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What would you go for at this point?

Out of curiosity what do you see as a realistic move he could do, that pleases both teams?

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're pretty much in agreement then.

At this point I would be happy with Wallace + Bibby, or just keep Blake but I imagine he goes away in most deals.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh. At this point bibby is a slightly better Steve Blake with a huge ego.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we lost Blake in a Wallace deal it would be difficult to find a replacement that fits.

Bibby is the closest thing to a Blake other than Hinrich. I can’t see us getting both Hinrich and Wallace though.

I’d rather have Blake than Bibby for the record.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they’d want Blake in a Wallace deal, seeing as they have Augustin and Felton.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

Rudy possibly, but do we want to give up that much scoring ability for Wallace?

In all honesty I don’t think Charlotte and Portland are good trading partners. I’d be happy to have Wallace though.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they get rid of Felton like the rumors suggest

Then Larry Brown might want a guy like Blake to backup DJ Augustine

Devise Method

Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.

by damir on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

if we lost blake in a wallace deal

id rather start bayless and keep mills on the team to back him up, plus sign some toss in vet for minimum

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree

bibby is a no go in my mind

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m starting a “Crash, Captain, or Bust” campaign.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will join your campaign.

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed....

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

i sign off

on crash, but not captain.. i still like bayless better… call me a homer if you must.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

in my opinion, which everyone has one.. always different

is that if we speed up play just a little bit, it will better suit most of our advantages, i know roy likes it slow… but that would favor bayless over most anyone we could trade for aside from harris, and i dont see that happening.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

They all say "Doh!"

"SAY NO TO HEDO." Well that campaign FAILed.... Success!

by dpnim on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll add a name to the list

Marvin Williams

Sign him to a deal the Hawks aren’t willing to match. He can hit the three, he’s a glue guy, and he’s a lockdown defender.

Granted, he’s not filling the role of another playmaker. Without picking up a playmaker at the three, KP HAS TO HAS TO HAS TO upgrade the point. I know KP and Nate like Blake, but at least two of the three perimeter starters need to be able to do SOMETHING off the dribble. Too easy for elite defenses to shut down Roy otherwise.

I agree that Crash is the best choice…

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Duct tape makes you smart.

by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t mind Williams, but, as you say, we need an upgrade at the point.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

+2

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

and

he can make his FTs

by pdxlifer on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of lowballing Hedo on a couple of levels

I dont think he is worth more than 9 mil for 4 years and it sends a" if you wont play for a few dollars less for a shot at a ring" message to Sessions,Bass act,

by southern oregon on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good point

Gamesmanship is critical in FA season.

Once Hedo inks with Toronto the only other teams with cap room will be the loser twins, the pooh bears and the “thunder”. If a FA wants a chance on a team with a winning record, it’s us or the MLE as a max.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was an intentional lowball strategy

$10+ million a year is not low. I think we just got outbid. (Yay!)

by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

SO lets see

Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza both agreed with new teams while we were busy fattening this old douche

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, thank goodness

No pole is long enough to touch Ron Ron with it.

And Ariza is like Hedo himself – finals flavor of the month.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better off with someone who wants to win...

Than someone who is only in it for the money. We have had those guys in the past and once they get paid it is break time. We need a winner and anybody who would pick Toronto over Portland obviously doesn’t care about winning.

by dfoz3 on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Particularly when the requirements for him to sign gut the bench of good roll players.

And marion was good too

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they left out the part where it wasn't the right fit for his wife.....

wow, I’m a woman, and I understand that maybe she didn’t want to live out here and I commend him on wanting to make his wife happy, but for Lord’s sakes, sometimes you got to look at the big picture and see that this Blazer team is going to go far and to support your husband and and then go out and buy a dang umbrella!! (although if you use the umbrella I will think you are a wuss)
…I feel like I’ve just been left at the altar…. People are going to be shaking their heads at this move……
This makes me thing we aren’t ever going to be able to win a championship because no one wants to come out here and play.

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha

It definitely feels reminiscent to being stood up by a date. The whole rain schtick is so overblown. Yeah it rains, big deal. After a while you don’t even notice it. Plus, it makes the sunny days all the more enjoyable because they are so rare.

by resurrect_ha28 on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

This makes me thing we aren’t ever going to be able to win a championship because no one wants to come out here and play.

I feel ya

But we can’t abandon all hope. Free agency is just one avenue for KP to improve the ballclub and none of the Blazer players were “lost at sea” in this minor disaster

KP and Nate probably feel 1000 times worse tonight than any of Turk’s greatest supporters on Bedge. But they’ll bounce back and make the best of it. I DO NOT EXPECT them to take on a headcase like Shawn Marion “just because” they lost out on Turk, though. The mission statement doen’t change when times get tough; you still only want to bring “good people” into your organization. This is not a time to “settle for less” to just appear to be making progress!

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

can't hate on the guy

for trying to get in the best city for his family.
Large turkish population, much more european city and style of basketball.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

If you can hate a person over something as minor as this ...

… perhaps you should stop for a minute and look in the mirror. Hate is a very strong word and emotion. If we are supposed to strive to love those who do wrong to us, what does it say about ourselfs if we get angry over something as simple as a person making a decision on where he wants to live and work?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 6, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was the money

It was always about the money.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

turkoglu of 2008,

meet ARod of 2001. Hope you two enjoy spending the playoffs every year counting your money.

by sfiles on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He must have found out...

That #15 jersey is retired and in the rafters.

by Dmartyparty on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Reality: KP's offer was more sane than we expected

If years were truly the issue (besides his wife’s preferences), then Turk wasn’t being offered a 5-year deal.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I heard that thing about an optional/partially guaranteed 5th year

Similar to what Blake and Outlaw have on their deals.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

But did anything REALLY happen?

Seeing how all these agreements are agreements “IN PRINCIPLE”—the actual signing day being several days away—why is it surprising that people show interest, claim a deal is done, walk away?

I admire Pritchard for sticking to his guns, going after who he targeted full throttle, but refusing to overpay for someone coming off his prime. If Turkoglu changes his mind again (which he has done in Phoenix), we can get him for even less.

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

KP offered all the cap space he has

In the end, this wasn’t about money. It’s about big international city vs. small market.

Terrible move for Toronto, by the way. Does this make them a contender? No way no chance no how. Turk was a good fit in PDX – terrible for the Raps.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the wife played a big part on the decision

I respect that, a lot.
But Colangelo is dumb as hell and makes terrible moves every offseason.

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

5 Years/$56m for someone coming off is prime

sounds like another bad, inflated contract.

But if there is no other decent deal to be done, then we wind up the losers by not improving the team when we could.

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

we lost

but it still a terrible move for them

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

We will lose if we do nothing

I don’t anticipate we will lose until the Cap space is gone at that Time I will say we have lost.. Turk was our top choice so in a way we lost, but not if Turk is bad.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's made some of the worst moves as GM

A 5 year $50 million in Portland could be explained and understood. But a 5 year $56 million in Toronto is just dumb. Hedo is not taking them from the lottery to contenders.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

unreal

She will be complaining about the Toronto snow and ice soon instead of the Portland rain.

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Toronto really is a great city

But I can live anywhere I want, and I live in Portland.

Plus, I’d never, EVER be a subject of a monarchy.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Especially on 4th of July.

by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m glad, though it was exciting to think about really going for a title this year.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Hedo can't do it himself.

It was up to Roy, LMA, and Oden. Hedo would have helped them.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which makes the Raptor signing all the more suprising.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

gotta love their bench.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

who knows

maybe toronto will actually be a good team with the whole euro feel to it… would at least be entertaining to watch

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet they could possibly win Euroleague next year.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Terrible, terrible move for Toronto. Baffling. What could Colangelo possibly be thinking? What’s their plan? Rebuild around Turk? They’re losing Bosh either way. Gotta go for young talent.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed. it was just exciting for the team to step out of waiting and actually making a “now” move.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Hedo

This is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

It might sting of rejection right now for some of you Pro-Hedo

guys, but it’s better in the long run.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

So

if the Marion bird rights are forfeited by the raptors, then he’ll only get the MLE right?
Guess he’ll go to CLE.

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Only a certain amount of money out there for free agents.

Free agents may have to start settling for smaller deals if those are the only deals on the table. Might be able to get a quality backup 4 for cheap. (Bass, Millsap, Lee, etc.)

by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Millsap will start receiving offers after the 7th.

UFAs usually don’t get a string of offers right away. I think Millsap will make less than he wants, but more than hes worth to us.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do we bring back Trout at this point?

After very publicly courting a replacement for him? That’s gotta be akward right?

by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Go check the Outlaw fanshot

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outlaw is fine

He has friends here, he knows how it works.

Plus, he has many fans who have been following his career for six years and seen him develop into a pretty decent player. Some of us wouldn’t mind at all if he’s not traded. But he still probably will be.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's go get Lamar Odom

we can get him for 8 -9 mil. AND mess up lakers title hopes

by ellroyspoon on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

some Lakers should/could never be Blazers IMO.

Lamar joins the likes of Kobe, Magic Johnson, Rick Fox, and Kobe Karl!

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd definetely make a call to his agent

but in all likelihood, he’s going back to LA.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

BLAME CANADA!

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

after all, they are America's hat.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

sicko!

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mexico is our underwear.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

On second thought, probably Texas.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL @ that thought

You sure you want a state with no gun control to be that close to your nuts?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

tru dat!

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

so blzrfan, you were excited about Hedo. Who do you want now?

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody really excites me for next season.

Wallace is ok I guess. I wanted a guy who could handle the ball and make plays. I’ve been lukewarm on Hinrich.

Time to find more good stories about the Blazers working during the summer and getting better. That’s probably excites me more, internal development.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about

josh smith….. i remember reading a while back that he might be on the trading block… he would be ideal to me..

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I rather take Odom than Josh Smith if a gun was put in my face.

In the end, I probably prefer the gun. =)

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, Josh Smith makes Ron Artest seem like an inefficient mid-range shooter.

Regarding Smith, a straight-up swap of him to Dallas for Josh Howard seems like a fair trade to me.

by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, that should read as efficient instead of inefficient.

Regardless, Josh Smith and Ron Artest are both terrible mid-range shooters.

Last season, Smith shot 32.2% and Artest shot 34.3% on two-point jumpers.

by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least he's leaving Flordia aka America's Wang

Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.

by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like to think for Florida

As the slug pan of America. All the crazy people floating around America settle down in Florida because of gravity.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jul 4, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now we got to go get Brandon Bass

That’s the only other sane choice out there…

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Hope not

He’s not that great of a player.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pessimistic about free agents coming to Portland, now

Sign and trade. When a player is acquired via a deal, you get to pick pick them. Not the other way around…

Then they learn to love you…hey, it worked with Przybilla.

We need more guys like Joel and Blake who “want” to be here

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who wears the pants in the TurkeyPoo Family?

Turkeypoo: Honey? I could win a Ring!
The whip snaps!!!
Honey: I’m the only ring wearer in this house!
Turkeypoo! BOO! HOO!! I’m sorry!! As you say!!

by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

O.o

Dude. My wife and I are equals. When it comes to a big life decision, she has as much say as I do. And she looks great in pants.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops!

sorry! just in response to his wife wanting to go to toronto! mostly I’m happy he’s not coming here! I’ve also drank a fifth of Voka and my humors a bit slanted.! Besides some men do hear the whip CRACK!!!! Life Goes On!

by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops! again

vodka not voka! And besides I didn’t relize you were a MOD?

by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a MOD. I didn't flag you, either.

I was just replying to the content of your comment. Don’t forget your advil and a quart of water before you go to bed!

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanx!

More like a gallon of water and as much as as I can cram in my gut. lol

After I finish the second one? hehehehehe!

by kaizzer on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

trades

Well, I think they should do at least ONE trade. As things stand they still have too many players.

Trade Outlaw to a crappy team for a future 1st round draft pick.

Of course, that doesn’t sop up the cap space, it actually opens up some more cap space.

Wow, there’s nothing like having a pile of money and not knowing what to do with it. Reminds me of my one good run in the stock market, dumpster diving in small tech companies that had gotten hammered in the aftermath of the tech bubble. Had a huge pile of cash I didn’t know what to do with.

Blazers suffer the hardships of the rich. Too much cash and too many players to fit on the rotation.

by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

of course they would.

We’d do it if we didn’t have him already.

Trout is really underrated by Zars fans here.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

only

if were taking back a non-expiring contract as well

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Turk's wife said she didn't like the heat.

i kid, i kid.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Portland was too green for her.

Wanted to wear fur coats and drive in a H2. People in the northwest getting up all in her bizness.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hooray!!!

This is the happiest day of my life. Now we can actually sign a free agent who’s a good player.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Did I just read that?

Yes, I think so. Wow.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, Hedo isn't a bad player

but he’s definitely not a $10 million per year player. I was cringing at paying so much for a small forward who’s just average.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think 10 mil is that much

I was more worried his play would decline or he wouldn’t fit in. You usually overpay in FA.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would have been my worry (if I was a Blazer fan)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see the possibility of 10 mill for 2010, 2011...

… but when his knees give out in 2012, your stuck paying a guy 10 mill to ride the pine for two years.

Besides, in all reality, an improved Nic and healthy Martell give you everything Hedo would for a hell of a lot less.

Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.

by MikeIrish on Jul 3, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trevor Ariza, Ramon Sessions, Jason Kidd

All better than Turkoglu.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh no.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yuh it do?

And?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yuh, sure.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

His rebounding too

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hedo's a good player

He would have helped the Blazers. However, his poor shooting percentages and his mediocre defense make him nowhere near the contract he would have gotten and will now get in Toronto.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand your point

I just don’t agree.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

And WP48

The advanced metrics are all on board.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow there's a shock

< / sarcasm >

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

My advanced metrics say Turk took Orlando to

The NBA finals.

Turk was their primary creator. The Magic were an elite team. Their other two best guys can do nothing to create offense on their own.

Turk cannot be judged by the numbers. He should be judged by Ws.

That being said, this isn’t exactly a disaster for Portland. I liked Turk as a great fit, but it’s still a buyer’s market and there are other guys to target.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're way overstating the team value argument

And after all, isn’t that what individual statistics are for, separating a player from his team’s performance?

If Hedo shot 41% and the rest of the team shot 45%, how can you say Hedo was helping whenever he took more shots? etc

Also to be snotty I could say “my advanced metrics find that Hedo is 30 & declining” or somesuch.

(btw, Dwight Howard took Orlando to the finals. Yes, all of their starters were huge factors, but that’s like saying LMA took the Blazers to the playoffs.)

by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way

Ariza is not a playmaker. Kidd is way past his prime.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Proabably because

Ariza mostly got his on wide open jump shots and dunks. We have guys that can do that, Orlando depended on Turkoglu to create offense.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whole idea

was to take some pressure off Roy though. Turkoglu in theory would have done that, Ariza, not. Why create a logjam at SF for Ariza? Batum can be Ariza.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I would prefer a PG signing over Ariza.

Kidd or Sessions would be great.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, KP might be targeting Sessions right now

I don’t know why MIlwaukee would do it, though. They don’t have Jefferson or Villanueva around, anymore. Maybe they’re really hurtin’ for dough?

Sessions, Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen?

One thing that hasn’t changed, today. We know that Portland is serious about “going for it”

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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The other idea was that it would make having a guy to handle the ball moot

You could put Webster and Roy on the Floor with Hedo and still run your offense. Or, at least, I think that was the idea.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The other part of Hedo is that he's pretty interchangable in some ways defensively

And offensively. It would make the Blazers far more versatile than they are now.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy is clearly better.

It’s still a fair point in defending Turk. This year he could rely on Howard, Lewis, and himself. Howard and Lewis are not exactly wizards at creating their own shots. Cover those Two and Turk is pretty easily forced into a bad shot.

Roy has more options, and is better.

I was not for signing Hedo but I think his efficiency would have seen an overall increase in our system alongside Roy.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kidd

Kidd still makes the other players around him shine. He might not rack up the personal stats, but he’d be a great two year pick up for us. I’d love that move.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Kidd

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kidd makes all of them better

If/when he leaves Dallas, the numbers for everyone who is left will go down. Knows how to get guys the ball where they like it, veteran presence, etc. It wasn’t for no reason that he was courted by Kobe and others to play on the ‘08 Olympic team. I’d be plenty happy if we could get him on a 3 year deal.

by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dirk said he loves him some Jason Kidd

Dirk’s PER in the playoffs this year was the best in his career.

by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

a huge point in Kidd's favor

Is his lack of “me-first”, especially to the point of a stated willingness to mentor a young PG.

by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know

Me too. Thank goodness he’s not coming here. 5 year deal is/was too much.

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by doublezeroduck on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's get Lamar Odom?

Hey, it’s worth 8-9 mill for all the knee slapping Oden Odom jokes we’ll be hearing.

by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

even though im thinking the same things… im starting to feel bad for turk.

i wouldnt doubt fan reaction had something to do with him not playing here.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

This feels like

when your at the car dealership and almost buy a car you know you shouldn’t. You spend hours haggling over the price all along ignoring the knot in your gut that say’s no matter what kind of deal you strike, your going to over pay and be sad. Then at the last minute the financing falls through and in the end you feel utter relief that it didn’t work out. Almost like that…….

by Flapbreaker on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

As Ice Cube once said, "today was a good day."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RY-eJgHHs

I’m so, so glad that Hedo — or his wife, perhaps — choose Toronto over Portland.

by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It's all relative though

Depends on the other available options. Even if you don’t like Turk, it remains to be seen whether there’s a better available use of the Blazers cap space.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saving PA some luxury tax money is also a purpose

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you Mrs. Hedo!!!

I’m really happy that your husband doesn’t have the stones to shut you down…lol

Time to go after Bibby and Williams!

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by raggmopp on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions  

ok my thoughts.

 first the good news. the good news is that we shouldn’t have upset anyone except maybe a wee bit of lamarcus and maybe a little of rudy by trying to do this…. We also can move into next season with the team that carried us to 56 wins.
We also in the event that we don’t spend all our dough in one shot have the flexability to make trades and move larger contracts on board (right? or wrong?)

with toronto gutting thier roster and putting that many more free agents onto the market does it shake up the “signing” of any other free agents?

deep thoughts man deep thoughts… now dream up the unthinkable.

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by faith on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

;)

ya get it then :)

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by faith on Jul 4, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yaaaaaaay!!!!!

I did not want hedo at all. I’m a fan of the blazers first a foremost and if kp trusted he was the guy, I would’ve gotten on board. But I have to say, watching the news from ben today, I was, at best, cautiously optimistic about his fit.
I don’t know who’s better that’s a free agent, so I don’t feel so bad that we went after him with our cap room, but I think a lop-sided trade to put us over the top and consolidate talent will be better for us.
I’ll take Batum and a healthy Martell over Hedo.

by Montavilla Steve on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Can we pry Artest out of his deal now?

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by faith on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

He's definitely crazy enough to back out of an agreement.

Let’s do it.

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by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously folks, there's a whole lot of serious NBA people who think Artest makes the Lakers better than last year

ARTEST!! Dude, we could have him, no joke, 3 years for 18 million he’s being offered now, you now Artest will drop that like a bad habit if we boost that to 30 million, I’m gonna die if people don’t see this, and that he’d be a fantastic plan b for PDX

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reluctantly

I have to agree with that

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be reluctant too if I was gonna self-immolate my cred like that...

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

man

We do not need any more character issue guys like Artest.

Love his game, but I don’t think Blazer management can do that yet.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Artest!! A 30 million risk on a better D/slightly younger player, in my humble opinion, is better than 50 million on Hedo...

I’ll tell you this…I don’t care what Artest says, his agent will be sweating beads of joy at this moment, and I guarentee you he’ll be an advocate for PDX, every dollar in Artest’s pocket is a bit more in his

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whats the worse that can happen???

We sign him for 30 million, he explodes (not likely, at least completely), and then we go Jamal Tinsley on him, pay him to stay away, and continue to win 55 games a year as Batum goes into Beast Mode!!!

THE UPSIDE IS HUGE!!!

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

We discussed Artest back in April

and came to the consensus that Ron-Ron and Nate would mix like oil/water

I’d rather target Odom. Or see if Dumars would want to do a lopsided trade for Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell

Gerald Wallace would be a better choice than Artest, as well

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by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

meh

I wasn’t too big on Hedo. I was in “trust in KP mode”, but personally, I didn’t think it was a very good idea. Hopefully KP has backup plans, and if its shawn marion, I might cry. Do not want…

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by Rudiculous on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I am very, VERY elated.

I was warming up to the idea, but only because I felt obligated to as a die hard Blazer fan. I had the biggest sigh of relief accompanied by a huge smile once I read this. From what I’ve seen, most of you are against signing Millsap. He has a large asking price, and would likely want to start where ever he decided to go… BUT… If under the right circumstances, Millsap were to sign with the Blazers, what would an acceptable asking price be?

by giovanni on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

i believe he would be smarter

signing the 1 year qualifying offer for 1mil, and becoming an unrestricted FA next year i believe when everyone has cap room and there will be a lot of losers in the superstar sweepstakes using their money

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald Wallace!

We will boo Hedo, but I never wanted him as* anyways! KP, its time to go after Gerald Wallace and Brandon Bass

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm in for booing Hedo when Toronto comes to Portland

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

With this Hedo junk out of the way, it's time to trade for Kirk Hinrich!

Unlike Hedo Turkoglu, Hinrich is cool enough to sign his name on anything.

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Plus, Chicago Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf would probably be irritiated seeing Hinrich wear a Cubs hat.

by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you sure?

Heinrich would be a good fit, but we need that 3rd scorer first, and a backup PF second.

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crash, Captain, or Bust.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

And Hedo was supposed to be the answer to that question? Gerald Wallace is an excellent defender of his position, and Brandon Bass could help Oden/Priz clean up after Blake & the rest of our guards

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best quality about Brandon Bass is neither defense nor rebounding, but rather his ...

mid-range jump shooting efficiency for a backup power forward. Right next to Joel Przybilla on the frontline, Bass’ skill set would mesh perfectly. Yet, with Jeff Pendergraph already on board, the need for Bass isn’t there — especially compared to how much Kirk Hinrich would help out the team — thus, it’s probably not in the cards.

by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a Hinrich deal probably won’t happen, though i’m still holding out hope.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. We've got potential scorers.

Oden’s increased numbers, Rudy’s sophomoric improvement, Martell potentially making his return, and though you don’t like him, Bayless getting consistent time.

Hinrich can help Oden on the PnR anyways.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who else?

Who’s our scorer then? Thats what KP saw in Hedo, its obviously not his defense!

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was more his playmaking than scoring.

Hinrich can execute a successful PnR. Which is something we really need on offense. With the way we’re built we should be a heavy PnR team. We just need someone who is good at entry passes, I’m praying Roy and Bayless have been working on such a skill. Hinrichs D to me is enough to get him in a Blazer uni though.

I’m confident that one of Oden, Rudy or Bayless steps up as a true third option this year if we don’t pick one up. I think Bayless and Rudy can create their own shots if coach gives them the green light.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ramon Sessions

There’s your PnR guy. But he’s not a great choice to play “off” of Roy because of his erratic jumper

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by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

My oh my...

what to do now, what to do now???

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm bummed.

I was very comfortable that Hedo would make us a better team. I don’t worry about money because we gotta use it or lose it, and by we I mean Mr. Allen.

Now I don’t know if we’re going to get ANYONE other than some backup. I want a veteran who is a difference maker! We got heaps of good young players with potential, but potential is about 60% junk.

by levelhed on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Do we got a picture of Mrs. Turkoglu somewhere?

I got this from searching the internet, so I cannot vouch for its accuracy:

Certainly a charming soul. I can imagine her crying, “I want a cosmopolitan shopping district, Hedo! I want to go down St. Denis any time I want!”

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

It's actually quite understandable as to why he chose to please her

Photobucket

If I looked like him and got a wife like that, I’d do whatever it takes to keep her on my arm.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

she must be tall

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by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think NBA wives have to carry around a crate

to stand on for photo ops. Or wear 20" heels. Something in the CBA.

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Muad'Dib on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm on the train for that...
Maybe we should sign her to a two-year deal

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Turk dosen't look bad

I think he is actually quite good looking (for a turk)

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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

oops St Denis is in Montreal

my bad

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Battier?

"We didn’t pick Blair because of his history of fat-assery" -BlazerTag

by 5212872 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

...Battier!

"We didn’t pick Blair because of his history of fat-assery" -BlazerTag

by 5212872 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

HaHa

Thats great. And Battier would be even better than Hedon’t

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

truehoop

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-22/Hedo-Turkoglu-s-About-Face.html

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by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I think in his

house analogy Henry should have inserted himself in role of guy who says deal is done but isn’t.

by TSE on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't the toronto offer actually less

with the crazy high canadian taxes? he (read:his wife) really must have not been sold on the city if so. or maybe i’m missing something

by ljm42 on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

the problem is that Travis is an iso player and tends to cause offensive stagnation.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Travis is more dangerous as a pure scorer, but Hedo is one of the better passing, better team defending SFs in the league and Trout is one of the worst in both areas

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the point is still there

 that when looking at one of the main aggregate metrics, Hedo is NOT a big star. Hedo is also not highly regarded as an overall defender.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

the problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 billion

rec’d…. and best of all, sig’d.

by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zach Randolph is listed 7th in PER at PF

Ahead of LaMarcus, David Lee, Millsap, Boozer, Landry, and Beasley.

Let’s trade for Zach Randolph!

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by damir on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for proving my point.
the problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap
Zach Randolph is listed 7th in PER at PF
Ahead of LaMarcus, David Lee, Millsap, Boozer, Landry, and Beasley.

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

There will always be bad players who look good statistically.

That’s why you COMBINE statistics with an informed impression of how the player performs.

But, you’re probably right, we should just ignore PER. In fact, let’s also ignore how many points a player scores, how many rebounds they get, how many shots they block, etc. It’s not like those things are important for winning basketball games, right?

Sorry for the snark, but it really annoys me when people write something (or someone) off as “crap” instead of explaining why they disagree.

by MDBlazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

PER's problem

Is it overvalues scoring. Take whatever the simple version of PER is, and try inputting different values of shots made and attempted. The break-even point (aka where shooting more at the same % doesn’t change your PER) is in the low 30s for all FGs. So a player could take 50 shots, make 20, and it would increase their per over taking 20 shots and making 10.

by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

D?

He also frequently forgets who he is guarding

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank you, Henry

As for the Blazers? Well, no one likes wasting all that time almost getting a deal done. But there are worse thing than being back on the market, with nearly $9 million a year to spend.

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by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

to elaborate

We have capspace, we have assets, we have a winning team, we can get a trade done that benefits us way more than Hedo would have.

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by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

For those that wanted Ariza...
“A source tells HOOPSWORLD that Kupchak was prepared to give Ariza an offer equivalent to the full MLE but at 10.5% raises, totaling at approximately $33.8 million over five years.



LA’s ceiling might have been a $6 million starting salary for $36 million over five but before negotiations progressed after 9:00pm Pacific on Tuesday night, the source says that Ariza’s agent, David Lee, took a confrontational approach with Kupchak.

Lee wanted a deal in the $50 million range and took offense to the team’s stance that Trevor should test the market first for that level of compensation.

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by damir on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

The sting of Bynum hurts doesn't it.

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by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ariza has to be angry at his agent. He goes from LA to Houston and will make less money.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

malpractice

dude should be fired in a heartbeat. Trevor should take some control of his own career, but it’s crazy how often agents dictate moves like this by being vindictive rather than pursuing their client’s best interests.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Lee (agent)

is a complete egotistical tool. He plays hardball through the media and ends up screwing teams or his client.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

makes me wonder what Odom's "ceiling" is

And if Lamar would “take the money” and come to Portland, if KP offered it?

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by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ariza only became the next coming of Jesus becuz the Lkaers won the title.

Ther’s no proof he’ll be better than what we’ll hav next yer in martell and nic.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me do Hedo Haiku

This dude from Turkey
Hedon’t wanna play for us?
Portland FTW!

Prediction: “Hedon’t” = Oregonian SP headline tomorrow

by The Penguin on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Please start a thread for Hedo Haiku (explaining the rules of Haiku and inviting contributions below).

Big hit coming…

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

what happened to the first fanshot

about the hedo rejection thing, he should get something for being the first to post it. Or not. whatever.

by twggyy on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay people, I still have hope....

Maybe KP will never be able to get a high profile FA to sign with the blazers and I have made peace with that. We do have a 54 win team built on practically all draft picks and a starter that was out all season and another starter that was out practically half the season and they are still all very young. I say we just go out and get a back up power forward that can bang and see where we end up next year. I’m not worried in the least!

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Trade

We should have made the move for Gerald Wallace at the trade deadline. Would’ve at least beat Houston in the playoffs!

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Bucher said

Portland is not cosmo politan enough for Hedu.

by Kosta0027 on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

or both

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

or ex-model

who wants to attend runway shows in ny

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sacramento, San Antonio, and Orlando

Hey, can’t really match those cities right there. LOL.

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by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

dude

You’ve cracked me up like six times already this thread.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know, I forgot that Hedo has played his entire NBA career in small cities.

I guess it was time for something different:

  • He had a shot at a ring in Sacramento.
  • He had a shot at a ring in Orlando.
  • He would have had multiple shots at a ring in Portland.
  • He’ll have no shot at a ring in Toronto, other that the ones his wife buys at those cosmopolitan, high-end stores that are so common in that large, cosmopolitan city.

by MiledAnimal on Jul 4, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pritch Slapped

Yes, he was. Hedo played the Blazers for a better deal from Toronto. Clearly his agent leaked the “agreement in principle” disinformation.

by tiesque on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions  

That makes a lot of sense

But both sides got what they needed. Hedo got more money and we got no Hedo.

by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ a more motivated Martell and Batum.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Just Ask

Joel Pryzbilla, Steve Blake, Rudy Fernandez, Kevin Pritchard, Ronald McDonald and Mayor Sam Adams

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol'd @

Ronald McDonald

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Bonner is coming to Portland?

CIP was calling him “Ronald McDonald” last week

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by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should for all the crap he's getting

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by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember, Sam waited until the minute he turned 18 to hav

sexual relations with him. For that we should give him a raise! :p.

Glad i don’t live in Multnomah County. More jerks, more traffic, more crime, all for more taxes.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

As we beat them by 40

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

i feel bad for them as a franchise, especially now with hedo…. that i wouldn’t mind seeing us let them win out of pity

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do we have to sign a FA this year. Seems like we should wait a year. Much better class for 2010.

by the mole on Jul 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

We won't have cap space next year

Extending LMA + Roy this year then Oden next will eat up our cap for years to come

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a sudden rush at the end of a frenzied week, the Toronto Raptors have remade their roster and signed free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, The Globe and Mail has confirmed.

The versatile Orlando Magic forward appeared poised to sign with the Portland Trail Blazers until a late bid by the Raptors — in excess of $50-million over five seasons for the 30 year-old — caused the change of heart, even as Turkoglu was in Portland visiting with the Trail Blazers.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50-million (all currency U.S.) deal with the Blazers, but will sign with the Raptors for more than $10-million a season. Signing Turkoglu means the Raptors will have to renounce their rights to their existing free agents – Shawn Marion, Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker – to create the cap space for Turkoglu.

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

that is just a horrible contract.

Hedo to Portland in ’14.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then maybe the wife factor is overblown

If he’s getting paid more by Raptors. I wish they’d just be honest instead of acting like he had nobler motives than the pursuit of cash.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

no one can sign

Till the 8th. So what else in that story is wrong?

Sorry if I appear to be whining, but I’m not very trusting of the NBA press tonight.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

No that is not enough to get $10M looking at Storyteller's Toronto salaries

They have to rescind the qualifying offer to Joey Graham. They have to cut Patrick O’Brien and they have to renounce or trade their draft pick (#9 DeMar DeRozan) and get $1.9M more and with all of those they are at $47.435M which almost gets to $9.865M under the cap (if it is $57.3M). Or they have to trade another of their remaining 9 players and take back nothing, I believe Storyteller’s and Dave’s tutelage included that there is a cap hold for each spot below 13 so that might be another $4M they would have to trade. They could hurry a sign their 2nd round draft picks – oh wait they did not have any second round draft picks. Could they be tanking for another #1 pick in the draft?

Is is just me or is nobody doing their homework? My bet is that it is not for the reported $60M or even the $56M. Somebody is spinning here to save face? Now a fix would be to do a upside down trade of Calderon to Portland….. nah we wouldn’t bail them out – just wait for the contraction sale.

by lee3022 on Jul 4, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hedo's wife: bless her little heart.

Thank you Mrs. glue, than you very very much. You will only know later how much you’ve helped our franchise.

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by TwoDeep on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions  

the best thing to come from this whole ordeal

is the picture nork put up in the other thread of a possible picture of hedo’s wife…..

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe this is one of those things that ends up turning out for the best

Maybe we can put together a package for Devin Harris. Rudy/Travis/Jerryd?

Btw, thanks blzrfan

by ajinoregon on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Now that this is a done deal, a few random comments...

1. He’s going to get badly booed in Portland, with the crowd reacting like a 16 year old girl who asked a guy to prom and got rejected.

2. If Portland is anywhere close to the Finals in the next 5 years, Hedo will try to hide his regret better than Baron Davis did in LA last season.

3. If Hedo misses his chance at a title because of this move (for the same money!), I’d not want to be in their house.

4. It feels like Hedo had a grudge against us, and held the team at bay while all the other free agents signed elsewhere, then spurned us for a team who is likely not headed toward the finals. I don’t appreciate that.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey obviously doesn't care about a title

that’s why he left Orlando. He just wanted the most money he could get.

by Docproc on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he was getting $6 million more with Toronto

Pre-tax, of course. But that’s the difference between Steve Austin and Bionic G-Force Hamster

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhhh

He doesnt know that yet

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

much less

Although Oregon knocks an extra 9%—soon to be much more if the legislature has its way.

Plus in Canada you have to travel somewhere else to get any medical procedures done.

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it fair to say the Portland organization got Turkslapped?

At the very least, they got played. Part of the “game”.

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by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

wow

what a rollercoaster ride. i cant even imagine what will happen between now and wednesday
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by JamesHollywoodRobinson on Jul 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Confused

But, I’m not a Blazer fan either.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

My head just exploded.

"Man, you are one pathetic loser. No offense."

by Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

you need a “Hedo in 2014” shirt. Summer league won’t be right without it.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Im confused

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

its ok

i get confused when you and roybot are on the same thread around the same page myself …..

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

It confuses me sometimes too

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, everytime I think I can finally rest because it's over

There’s a new twist.

Admit it, this whole debacle is part of your mastermind plan to generate more traffic for this site. I bet Hedo agreed to go to Toronto on the first, and you’ve been manipulating all major sports media outlets/websites for your own personal gain.

Yeah, I know you have that kind of power.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we just play now?

Let’s just pick teams and go. Basketball, baseball, curling, whatever.

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

never a dull moment in the blazer off-season

by JamesHollywoodRobinson on Jul 3, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Never a dull moment in Blazer Mania

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes

I forget you are one of the “official” laureate’s round here.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soon to be Laureate Emeritus.

As soon as this free-agent mess is calmed down, Dave’ll probably name a new one.

μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just means the wealth is spread around

You got another just as important job to control the morons around here.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we don't turn this into Crash, Hinrich or someone out of the blue

Freaking ugh. I didn’t understand why you guys didn’t want Hedo to start with, and I don’t know what we do now.

by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

at least we dont

need to hire another translator

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Victor Claver

Well, Victor Claver sounds a lot like Hedo Turkoglu JR – 6’10", athletic, playmaker and shoot outside.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

good point

well be fine. we have roy we have l train we have rudy we have a very deep team. the future is ours

by JamesHollywoodRobinson on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another Player

Danilo Gallinari – fits in the mold of Hedo Turkoglu.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

rec

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That reminds me

hope crazy Michael Jackson fans burn down Staples Center.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I just talked to Clyde Drexler and he said:

the NBA is not ready for a small market team to sign Hedo Turkoglu

by Kosta0027 on Jul 3, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Heck, why don't we just sign Drexler.

He’s better than Jordan and all. He’ll sign for tee times.

by FrederickT1 on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

huh?

like Hedo is such a star

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roll with what we got

None of the free agents left are worth our money. And I would argue that Hedo wasnt really worth $50 million.

Roll with what we got. We werent beating the Lake Show or San Antonion anyways

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And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 3, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Might as well spend the money somewhere

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be a phenomenal failure

Opportunity cost of not spending 9 mil in cap space when it’s available are huge.

There will never be another opportunity to spend PA’s money to improve this team.

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by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is SA so much better with Jefferson?

Considering we had a shot at RJ at the deadline and the overwhelming consensus was he was overpaid and overrated?

by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

he’s a lot better than Finley and Bowen.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

because life sucks

and hedo sucks

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And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

over paid, over rated, and an absolute steal as a 4th scoring option.

and they still have a chance to get sheed too? ugh, makes me like the spurs more

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

they traded pretty much nothing to get him

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't the deal RLEC and Outlaw for Jefferson?

That’s not much more than what the Spurs gave up.

by AndrewD on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

and i would have done it in a heartbeat.

by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spurs have much more talent

And are infinitely better at team defense to mask his defensive inabilities

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by damir on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm out for tonight

Unless I need another Blazer fix later.

But this week I went from hating Hedo (for that cheap three at the RG this season) to wanting him to break a leg. And not in the good way on stage.

We’re going to be fine. A lopsided trade is probably in our best interests. Better off without that troll looking, average PER sporting, past his prime [expletive deleted] anyways.

by sagcat on Jul 3, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Note to Nate

Next time don’t give your “Portland Tour” in a “SmartCar”

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't know if anyone had seen this line yet.
Turkoglu’s decision to go to the Raptors sent shock waves throughout the NBA as he apparently became the first player to renege on an agreement in principal since Carlos Boozer left Cleveland for Utah in 2004.

ESPN

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Ya I was about to comment on that

That one really stings. Do GMs talk to Boozer’s agent anymore?

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was there a agreement?

Seems like ESPN jumped the gun and are trying to cover their butts. Quick reported there was no agreement yet.

“Despite published reports to the contrary, Hedo Turkoglu has not reached an agreement with the Trail Blazers, a team source announced at 2:20 p.m. Friday.”

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN says independent sources confirmed it.
After ESPN.com reported the agreement in principle, several news organizations confirmed it, using sources.

I’m not exactly sure how they planned to confirm it without using sources, but yeah.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not entirely true.

Those other news outlets used ESPN as a reference source but mentioned that they had not independently confirmed it. The only one who did was Ken Berger of CBSSPORTS about five hours after ESPN first reported. Yahoo, fox sports, CNNSI and others just basically copied ESPN’s report.

by TSE on Jul 3, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's pretty much just to cover Henry's butt at this point, I think.

I can’t believe they kept the DONE DEAL story up all day even when one of their senior NBA guys was just outright contradicting Henry on national TV shortly after this story went up.

Basically Henry and ESPN fell flat on their face and let the evidence stand all day.

by TSE on Jul 3, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Boozer promised he would be resigning with them if they let him out of his then current bargain of contract.

Different situation, what Boozer did was 10x worse.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec

I miss Martell. Come back soon!

by mannyfresh1 on Jul 3, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

This guy has a real knack for screwing over the Blazers

If he wouldn’t have banked in that rediculous last second three in the RG, we would have been outright division champs, the #2 seed, and playing the Hornets in the first round with home-court up until the conference finals.

I was at that game and it was a sick feeling. And that was before the true implications were known.

by ajinoregon on Jul 3, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

You guys are so lucky

You almost blew 50 million+ on a guy that was not what you needed. And for what, now you have players on your team pissed off that want to play in Europe now. ESPN is so full of it, in order to try and be first they tell everyone that Hedo reached an agreement, when really there was no agreement, he just chose a different team. Now everyone wants to talk like Hedo double crossed them, he chose more money, HELLO, if he wasn’t about the money he would have stayed in Orlando in the first place. That said regardeless Portland is better off without him, no knock on Hedo, he has a great game, but he is not worth that commitment. Unfortunately all the other SF’s have been signed…

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Rudy wanting to play in Europe was an absolute joke

ESPN is just stupid

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by The Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

I have pleasure derived from misfortune of others? I don’t get you dude…

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just gonnna say this now.....

Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Matt Daddy on Jul 3, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

What, is there a new NBA Senior League starting up next season???

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vet PG runs the pick and roll well, shoots the 3 decent, not a bad defender

allows us to package Blake, Outlaw/Webster for another playmaker i.e Wallace…If not Bibby, make a deal for Battier

by Matt Daddy on Jul 3, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a bad defender?

Which MIke Bibby do you watch?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trust me

I know.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

not just any old Gary Payton. Vintage! Sha-WING!

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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he wants to sign the Buck Rogers robot

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

We couldn't get hedo...

what makes you think we could get Bibby???

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Bibby is a West Coast guy

He wouldn’t mind one bit living in Portland.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh Bibby is a worse-defending bigger-ego Steve Blake……..

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gee thanks, Sports Guy, for that.

It’s a wonder why I don’t read you much anymore.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

If only he didn't live in Santa Monica....

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barret on hedo

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/

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by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Stick a fork in it...
MB: Again, the Toronto news is coming from several sources and can’t be totally confirmed. But, according to one very reliable source, I can tell you that Portland’s part in this is over.

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously: Portland, you dodged a bullet. Hedo peaked 2 years ago. He might be 33 for all we know. You’re better off. Trust me.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jul 3, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

he's right about dodging a bullet

I think we’re better off without Turk, especially for that much money

by jedge242 on Jul 3, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which means we get to keep the Rose Garden full of ladies.

The combined drawing of Batum and Rudy even out the male to female ratio more to my liking.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to write a front page on this for the Fake Rudy Fernandez blog...

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

6 years ago

I was a student of the guy who writes that blog! He hasn’t done any guest posts but would probably appreciate the idea or even welcome your contribution, I dunno.

by austinpwnz on Jul 4, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Busy day Ben

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah no doubt

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

one of the craziest days ever. this was personal for a lot of people.

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

strictly my opinion… i think kp got played hard here.

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

Toronto wasn’t willing to commit until Hedo was looking like a Blazer. Everything I’ve read was that TO made a “last minute offer”.

I hate to make parallels, but this is very much like what happened with SVG & the Kings.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you mean

he never had intentions of signing with the Blazers but just wanted to drive Toronto (where he wanted to play all along) to raise its bid I agree. But if he was going to sign with Portland but Toronto raised its bid last minute, then no.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree

It’s just hard to believe that Hedo’s wife suddenly decided she disliked Portland… when in late-stage negotiations. She knew why he was flying out there.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

We didn't have a clue

what was going on, did we?

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by jscot on Jul 4, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hedo's wife

Let me tell yall something. When Hedo, Peja & Vlade walked into TO during the Kings glory years, they would be cheered louder than any other King. By far. That’s part of what’s driving (or what’s mostly driving this).

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also I think the silver lining is that the Blazers also have to think about what happens

when the perception of their franchise isn’t really at stake, but so many people are saying that it is.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I am not sure why people are freaking out over that

If we were frozen out by every player we approached I might worry..

by ppilot on Jul 3, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you didn't have so many young players

I wouldn’t trip. As is, the Blazers are fine.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some are

A lot of the morons at the games weren’t.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any time you have that many people on one place

You are going to have morons,The Kings are still my favorite CA team so get better soon dammit

by southern oregon on Jul 3, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tell that to Tyreke Evans Omri Casspi Jon Brockman Donte Greene Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes

But, I like the thought.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Mrs. Turkeyglue has something on the side with a Mapleleaf and since we don’t have an NHL franchise…..Those hockey players are tough

by Cory2669 on Jul 4, 2009 4:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Maybe they’re willing to break his nose 2 more times.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

And by a lot of people

I hope youre referring to those inside the organization.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't even imagine the reaction within the Blazer's organization with they realized what was happening

When a player leaves a championship level team where he is well loved and thought of for no apparent reason other than money, you can’t expect be surprised when this happens.. Hedo is all about the money. More than anything else I am stunned that the Raptors would completely mortgage their future for this signing.. It makes no sense.

by ppilot on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Barrett might be updating his blog now

link finds a different page a couple times I tried

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

How about Marvin williams?

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sure if they REALLY wanted him

they could work out a S&T with Orlando for some of our young talent and outbid Toronto.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Lol

That was good for a laugh

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Cali education just isn't buying what it used to....

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never has...

you should read my dad’s writing (who grew up in LA).

It’s not that impressive, shall we say.

Sorry dad.

by lyleleander on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't write worth a damn either

God invented Bill Gates (or Steve Jobs) for a reason.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are so lucky today

Once again we see that character counts. My attitude toward ungrateful and greedy athletes was formed by the last generation including pros like Bonds, Sprewell, Terrell Owens, Manny Ramirez, Rashid Wallace, and about a hundred other creeps. That list includes Hedo who must now play on a team that befits him; namely a loser. We are so lucky today. We can take our time and make a great chioce for the long run. Brandon Roy is talking us all the way to the finals and Hedo will never see another.

by oregonslee on Jul 3, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

The more I think about it

The more I think our perceptions are being shaped by the media coverage. So far it was all Portland is hot for Turkoglu, Hedo is in PDX, Hedo having dinner with McMillian, Hedo touring facilities. Nothing about T-Dot except they are interested and they might have to renounce rights of all their players to do it. Maybe Raptors brass didn’t do leaks about their interest. If they had been more open about Turkoglu the angle the media would have taken would’ve been Toronto and Portland neck and neck for Turkoglu. But because all the coverage had been about Portland and they (erroneously) reported a deal had been struck and now with Turk signing with Toronto it looks like its a flat our rejection of our team when in reality its Toronto offering more money (like 6 mil more). If Portland and Toronto had been offering the same amount then I could accept that perception but it wasn’t Toronto definitley offered more money.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely true.

We are easily influenced. We tend agree with what the talking/typing box tells us. Even me.

On some things, I’m okay with that. I don’t want to have to think all the time. I have too much Blazer news to read to do that kind of stuff.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're happy about this, there's one person to thank.

It’s not Turkoglu.

Or Mrs. Turkoglu.

I’m talking about Darius Miles.

For if Miles had not come back from his medical retirement and eaten half of the Blazers’ potential cap space, the team would’ve been able to grossly overpay Hedo Turkoglu and steamroll his wife’s trepidations.

So tonight, send a little love Mr. Miles’s way.

by Calzone on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Funny

A lot of people suggested I was crazy for not liking him in 2007. (Probably had a bit to do with what I suggested though. LOL)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

GREAT point

Was thinking the same thing. Sometimes capspace is not your friend (Elton Brand).

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

This whole scenario has just rubbed me so wrong. One, it almost proves the notion that Portland is an unattractive location for most FA’s. In other words, PDX is boring. And it’s not about chasing the money (look at players willing to play for less in LA). And I think secondly, what’s up with the enormous disconnect between the fan base’s desires and managements? I mean, Nate and KP literally wined and dined him, and not many fans were on board at all. What did management see that we didn’t? Aren’t they the experts?

by Stryder9 on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Is Toronto better for endorsements?

You could endorse every product in Canada if you were a Raptors star, I would think.

by Kaboomm on Jul 3, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

UPDATE (9:45PM): Mike Barrett’s post linked above has been pulled from Blazers.com.

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow

Wonder what that really means.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I noticed that.

Eerie.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or an accidental delete button.

I’ve never done that though….

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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I made sure I read what was deleted

Because I had it up, but hadn’t closed it yet. It wasn’t worth remembering as it was regurgitating what Ric Bucher said (at least Barrett used Bucher as a source hahaha).

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa.

I don’t remember much being offensive in it. I’ll go look at it in my RSS feed.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it means Hedo is coming back

Which would be funny, and sad.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me too

And I live 150 miles away.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or 180

Whatever the distance from Seattle to Portland is.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

That’s awesome.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

I lived in Shoreline, exit 175, and north of Seattle, so unless you’re coming from south of Portland, you’re driving too far.

by Section323 on Jul 3, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Had a programming contract in Montlake Terrace

drove up there every week from Portland to do Y2K stuff. That got old in a big hurry. Both the drive and the Y2K drivel.

Duct tape makes you smart.

by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man....

No doubt it did.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I drove it a lot, too,

but not that much.
I still make the trek to visit friends once a year. Last year I tried to take the “scenic route” and follow the Sound down through Tacoma and beyond. It was very scenic, but 5 hours later I didn’t much care….

by Section323 on Jul 3, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exit 201

Lake forest Park. But now back to NW 17th and Couch

by Cory2669 on Jul 4, 2009 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.........would the blazers take him back?

I know it’s all business, but I don’t think they would

by ppilot on Jul 3, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Vulcans

are back in control. Run, run for your lives :)

Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009

by blazeraddict on Jul 3, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm too tired

Tell them I’m eating and will come outside when I’m finished.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, pray tell...

what’s keeping Trevor Ariza from reneging on his Houston deal and signing with Portland for about $10 mil more?

by Calzone on Jul 3, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Um

Unlike Hedo, some players value their honor.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

link to barrett’s blog also pulled from nba.com/blazers

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Tsk Tsk Mikey

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barrett or the Blazers deleted it purposely

It wasn’t accidental.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there's certainly a possibility that Pookey was right above.

Reports concerning the death of talks may have been greatly exaggerated.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing you copied it over here, Ben.

Imagine you’ll be hearing from the Vulcans in short order.

Duct tape makes you smart.

by TTRocks on Jul 3, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben isn't an employee of the Blazers

Barrett is.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And the Blazers get a ton of juice from Bedge. It’s not like Ben is misprinting anything. He’s doing nothing wrong. No real repercussions here.

I realize that you’re really joking, but I am serious. The franchise can be mad, but it’s just one day. People forget and move on.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben.

Marion was the guy that changed this course. Raptors offered him a solid 4 year $32 million deal, but he rejected it and wanted $50 million reportedly. Colangelo basically said, might as well spend it on Turkoglu instead. That is why there were conflicting reports of the Raptor’s interest in Turkoglu. They wanted Marion for cheaper, but he wanted more money.

Turkoglu didn’t know the Raptors were going to offer him the money. He came to Portland on good faith and I’m pretty sure he was ready to sign here. Marion’s selfishness opened the door to Toronto where it didn’t exist before.

KP didn’t get played. Turkoglu was gonna sign here unless Toronto was willing to offer him. This is why the events of today moved so fast.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

both were being negotiated simultaneously. i hear different account. will see what/if i can post what i know.

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my theory

Love to hear the real story behind the scenes if you get wind of it.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes perfect sense

I think this hypothesis is the right one.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't find a decent Raptors fansite

Here’s one

http://www.raptorblog.com/

Seems most don’t like the idea of signing Turkoglu.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Hoop Heads North is okay

Try Raptors Republic. It’s a blogfather network blog.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Did a basic google search, that one didn’t turn up.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I aim to please boss

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blazers.com tech guy: homepage link to Barrett’s blog down due to CMS glitch.

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

still waiting to find out where the post went

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, you guys are crazy

You Blazers fans rack up bazillions of fans instantly. You guys probably dodged the bullet on this one, though. I liked the signing for the T-Wolves, cause I felt like it increased the probably you would trade us Travis Outlaw for some power forwards. Take as many as you like, we have plenty.

by princelyfrank on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm guessing

Kevin Love and Al Jefferson are off limits?

(can’t blame a guy for asking)

We’ll gladly trade you Rudy Fernandez for Ricky Rubio rights…in a few years

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gutting half the roster to get Turkoglu...

pretty dodgy move it seems, and a big reason why a lot of media sources discounted Toronto’s reported interest out of hand. So why are they doing it? Is it just a desperate attempt to entice Chris Bosh to stay? Who’s going to populate the Raps’ bench?

by Calzone on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I've never lived in Portland....but....I live in Seattle...and....
He arrived in Portland at 1:50 on Thursday afternoon. There wasn’t a cloud in the sky, and temperatures hit 90 before the day was over. If there was ever a day to show off the beautiful Northwest, this was it. A perfect opportunity to show off the city, and to roll out the red carpet for a highly-sought after free agent.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe 90 degrees isn't that hot in Portland....

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hedo's the Michael Jordan of Turkey

I’m sure he didn’t notice.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its a much shorter flight to to Turkey for the wifey

And it never gets hot there if you dont get out of the limo

by southern oregon on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hedo isn’t a 18 year old like Rubbio the whether isn’t going to play a big role in his decision

by methetee on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whether?

And, I thought I was dumb….

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Butterfly

               “Practice:
                                                                      slack cutting creating no tension”.

by Sashland on Jul 3, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Agent did it?

“We didn’t pursue…
contact was made”

by Sashland on Jul 3, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

it has to hit 100 here

for people to complain the way they do in Seattle at 90.

by Section323 on Jul 3, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

People in Seattle don't know what heat really is

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

UPDATE (9:57PM): To view a PDF of the blog post that was removed from Mike Barrett’s blog, click here.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/136514/mbpost.pdf

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Look at this post from Raptors Republic;

“Nope…I stand by it. We did indeed drop out. We didn’t pursue Hedo for the past 2 days until contact was made today about possibly doing a deal that is back end loaded, allowing the Raptors the room to breathe this year and next, but also supply more money than Portland was willing to give up with the looming CBA and also some of their worries about the cap announced next week. Prior to today, the deal requested was not back end loaded and would have eaten up more of our cap in the first 2 years, so Portland’s offer was "better" than ours.”

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm actually glad Marion will learn a lesson in all of this...

bc he had no leverage to demand big bucks, he’s been known as selfish for years, and his inflated sense of self worth is gonna cost him millions……

PS: curious what TOR fans think, I wasn’t reall high on this for the PDX, but it is a far worse fit for TOR, in my humble opinion

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Marion's not gonna find better money elsewhere

I’ll be shocked if he gets more than the midlevel at this point, since he’s a well-renowned malcontent whose number have been way down the last coupla years.

by princelyfrank on Jul 3, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he winds up in Memphis

Chris Wallace and Shawn Marion “deserve” each other!

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by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hedo's the Kind of player that you can fit in a lot of systems

Quite honestly, he’s probably the most valuable player on the market.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Artest is a nut

Hedo is not. He simply had a change of heart, or wasn’t ever fully convinced to come to Portland.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a Raptors fan I am happy about the trade. We needed players that could create their own shot,run some offense, add toughness and hit clutch shots. Hedo adds most of that, as he aids the issues with our backup point, while bringing the clutch shooting we havent had since Mo Pete and Lyndsay Hunter and he can create his own shot well enough.

What do you guys think will happen with Rudy after this?

by methetee on Jul 3, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

nothing

He’s under contract with the Blazers and is probably not going anywhere.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it turns out this is purely about

Toronto offering more money at the last minute (which looks like the case), and it turns out we had an agreement in principle that he reneged on, then I say that we just dodged a huge bullet by not signing him.

Thanks, Hedo, honestly, for showing your true stripes before we sold the farm for your greedy as* and spent the next five years regretting it.

by lyleleander on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Yep

The Blazers got “Boozer’ed”

I’ve been beaten
Been mistreated
When will I be loved?

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 4, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think Frederick beat ya Ben :P

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol i’ve been beaten like buster douglas in this thread repeatedly :)

by Ben Golliver on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL You & KP

But, I have a feeling you won’t fly away like a balloon like Buster did….

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHAT?!!!!!!!!

Portland offered 5y/57 million?!! But Toronto offers like 3 million more overall? Am I getting this right?

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wanted to be in the city of Toronto more than he wanted to win

$3 million is monopoly money. But OMG at $60 million. Haha.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not bothered by being beat out by a couple of mil

but it really bothers me Pritchard offered him that much. He should know better. Toronto basically saved Pritchard from making a huge mistake.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Toronto can offer a bigger bonus

And have it taxed at a smaller rate. That’s part of how they’re able to achive neutrality.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you guys love Storytellers (and I like the site too) around here

But, just read this. It will explain it better than my statement did.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That being said

I don’t know whether Hedo is considered an US or Turkish resident.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why the Blazers would ever offer a 30 year old Hedo 5/57 is beyond me

We dodged a huge bullet, he’s not that good, and that money should be put to better use. And I thought the Gordon deal was crazy…

Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009

by blazeraddict on Jul 3, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Gordon AND Villaneuva's deals are a bit crazy

I don’t really understand what Detroit is really after with either to be truthful.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I just hope its over, hope Portland doesn’t up its bid by a S&T or something.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

This day just needs to end.

Information overload.

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by Roybot on Jul 3, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Who cares??

The real question is what is next?

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

It's like riding a roller coaster and getting back in line.

Let’s do it again!

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by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Where do we go from here? In my opinion, only up. With Hedo, we have 1 year to win a championship, maybe two. After that, not enough cap space to resign LA. We need to make a trade for a 3rd scorer, either a point or 3, then sign Brandon Bass. We can fill 2 holes for the price of Hedo, who would only have caused us cap problems in the future.

by blzrfan22 on Jul 3, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

just to be safe the next time portland tries to lure a free agent

take them to mt hood or somewhere nice to conduct the negotiation. (ideally a place with no cellphone receptions.) what a blow to the FO. i thought this was a good move, but all along all this i was wondering what the team really see in batum. to me, batum has that point-forward potential, but obviously that wasn’t what the team needed last year. on the radio and from all the expert articles i’ve read, one of the listed reasons hedo would be a good fit in portland is the fact that he can play the side pick & roll with bigs. like i was saying before, batum wasn’t asked to handle the ball last season, but in spots when he did, i don’t think he was terrible with it. i like to see the coaching staff be more open to expand some of these young players’ roles for next year. depending on how bayless looks, and i’m really going on a stretch here: maybe they should give more considerations to take a look at rudy or batum at the point. rudy’s defense will always be a problem, but he has the court vision and enough dribbling skill to compensate that to some degree; batum on the other hand will be able to guard point guards, but he needs to convince everyone he has enough confidence and possesses good enough ball handling skill to play point. overall i’m happy we can still stick with our sfs now that this trade is nixed. there’s one upgrade i like to see though. roy’s leadership shows on the court, but it’s the quiet kind of leadership that’s demonstrated through his game; i say go after kidd, he won’t be much of upgrade at pg, but he will definitely be able to be the missing vocal floor general (the main reason steve blake will never ever be more than steve blake and everyone’s favorite backup) for portland. give him our cap money and we could get a hall of fame player coach for the next 3-4 years. just what i think…

by spikex on Jul 3, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Or will run into Johnny skiing....

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

... good point

they could also slide on ice for real like that liar radmanovic claimed in 2004 or something. well then, portland is doomed. kp should just stop wearing out his blueberry battery since obviously he can’t woo any marquee free agent with only 50mil. maybe pull a dice-k, pay the player 50mil and paul allen pay another 50mil to the player’s wife/girlfriend for the negotiation fee.

by spikex on Jul 3, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

$60 million!!!!

Good luck to you Hedo. Your agent played this brilliantly.

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by blazermaniac32 on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

KP Knocked out by a player's WIFE!

KP you’re taken down by his wife……..Guess you are not as big a deal maker as you used to be. The selection was limited when you made your choice, now it is very narrow. Too Bad standing pat is going to leave the Trail Blazer just another good but not great team in the Western Conference. Portland has a very low score on the International flavor scale. Well at least the GO report was good.
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by NOWINE on Jul 3, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Quick overview

Turkoglu had a good faith interest in signing with the team. I don’t think he was crazy about playing here but he was willing to take the money and play ball. But Toronto suddenly offered more money, at which point they ended negotiations with Portland and went back because there was no need to negotiate further. Nobody was being played, there was no deception, the Raptors just offered more money at the last minute. His wife, Toronto being more international, its all irrelevant.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 3, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds accurate neurotic

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or just plain neurotic

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

KP please don't do something stupid in trying to wipe the egg off your face

Resist the big trade. Don’t throw in Batum just to get it done. Please…

by Sonic Boom on Jul 3, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's what kind of gets me

Does it seem like the Blazers want a point 3 rather than the traditional offensive role Nic plays? Drafting/fawning over Claver (although that could be just hyping up an asset in case they end up trying to deal), the confirmed long term offer to Turkoglu – I thought we already ad our 3 of the future in Nic. In my mind, Nic is untradeable unless we’re getting Devin Harris or better in return. He showed the definite potential and physical tools to be a lockdown 2/3 defender as a 19 year old rookie, finished well in transition, and showed an ability to hit the corner 3 on kick outs – a skill that players can develop over time (e.g. Bruce Bowen). Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see Gerald Wallace or Tayshaun Prince (who offers the point forward skills KP apparently covets) in red and black for a few years to let Nic develop with 20 mpg or so off the bench, but the front office needs to take a breath and look at what we have, address the real areas of need (better PG than Blake, backup PF) rather than somewhat desperately (that’s what I call darn near 60 million for Hedo) looking for possible upgrades at a position we appear to be okay at, in the long (Nic) and short (Trout, Martell, Rudy) term.

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by blazeraddict on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I turn my back for 24 hours, just 24 hours, and look what happens. What a mess.

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by Y5k on Jul 3, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Amazing Blazer Fans

Being from Toronto I would like to show my greatest envy to you Blazer fans. The comments in this story show that you are all great people. Raps fan would never comment on this story if it was the reverse(Turk deciding to join the Blazers instead) in such as nice manner as most of you. It is so nice to see.

by methetee on Jul 3, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I've got to ask...

What the flip is your basketball team doing up there, gutting their entire roster for 1 person??? Crazy…

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for the kind words. It was disappointing to be left at the altar, but my heart wasn’t fully set on Hedo anyway.

Do you think that your starting lineup is good enough to compensate for the lack of depth?

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope so, haha at least we are in the east though. A good starting lineup can get you a top 6 seed

by methetee on Jul 4, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW IN EXCESS OF $60 MILLION

That’s the final offer by Toronto!!! Portland offered $57 million. I was against Hedo to begin with but at $57 million, I can only think of one thing to say:

THANK YOU DARIUS MILES!!!

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

DMiles saved us from being able to pay Hedo 60 mil+. He and the Grizz were helping us out.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would rather we signed Hedo than do absolutely nothing with our cap space, though.

sixty million I wouldn’t do under any circumstance.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do the Blazers HAVE to sign somebody?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Blake isn’t winning you an NBA title as a starter. Either Bayless is the guy and we need to give him minutes or we need to go find a point guard. I don’t understand spending yet another season with finding a solution at the 1.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Neither is Derek Fisher homey

I realize this is a circular argument, but cmon man, this team has had one year together and you want to say it CAN’T work?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s going to be 30 years old. Even if he IS the answer, he’s not the answer.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you really honestly believe that I'm making an argument for Blake cablin?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, while I think some Blazer fans argue for him, not many NBA fans see him as the solution…

Free Bayless.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why the Hedo signing in TO hurts

Because that was the plan.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Bayless a lot… I don’t think we actually need Turkoglu. Roy/Bayless was an effective combo at the 1/2 last year, and Bayless had nearly a 15 PER in the stretch of games when he played regular minutes.

Plus, I think Batum has the court vision to be an almost point forward.

I guess I’d rather the organization take a year and REALLY play the youngsters than spend more time with Steve Blake and Outlaw.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes Batum very valuable then

Yeah, I’m not really sure why the Blazers keep trying to stock up on veterans and young players and everything else. How many superstars can one team have before it’s too many? Develop your kids already.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Batum actually understands and thinks the game… it’s why I like him more than his American clone Ariza. He has a better handle than the rest of our forwards and is worlds ahead in court vision.

I tend to agree. Free Bayless and Batum for 26+ minutes per game… though I’d like to use the cap space.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cap Space is overrated

Always has been except when Shaq was on the market. And, I think Shaq is a fat piece of $#%&.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

truth be told, I would be happy with just Hinrich replacing Blake and McDyess at the backup 4.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hinrich does make sense

Trade Blake & Outlaw for him. Win-win for Chicago and Portland in that instance.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly. better perimeter D, slightly younger, better pick and roll player, etc. consolidates talent well.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if KP and PA

are wary of giving up talent because of what happened during the earlier part of this decade with O’Neal and what not.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe PA, I doubt KP is affected by it.

I can see the argument that all four rookies fit really well into the team. Each one has a skillset that we lack otherwise.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Especially Batum and Bayless.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oden brings a guy that can actually roll off a pick, Bayless brings FTs and intensity, Batum is going to be a stud defender, and Rudy knows how to actually move without the ball.

All four fit with Roy and Aldridge.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah didn't mean to exclude Oden or Fernandez

But, those two are probably bigger names at this point.

But, with the case of Oden he had better fit.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

he does. It’s all about staying healthy and out of foul trouble.

If he comes into camp anywhere near the shape he was in while at OSU, I’ll be excited. There are currently four people from the organization working with Greg in Columbus.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg's in OSU?

Why?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

taking summer classes, promised his mom that he would go back to school every summer.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was hoping that was the answer

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup.

he’s a good kid, working hard to get into shape. Apparenlty he wasn’t allowed to work on lower body last year, so it explains his lack of of elevation and lateral quickness.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blazer coaches are there often

They were there last week with Brian Grant, putting Greg through lots of drills. He’s working with them between classes.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s Bayno’s"pet project."

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are worse things to be

Like Channing Frye.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh it's not meant to be negative

Players would love to be Bayno’s personal project. He’s supposed to be outstanding at player growth.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

I was just taking the opportunity to take a shot at Frye.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Channing has a great personalty.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

And terrible taste otherwise

Pic. (Any time you look like your’e stoned wearing a sweatsuit your mother probably wore in the 80’s, and with a radio on it to boot, you’re probably a bit off, personality or no.)

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh nevermind then. :)

But be careful, he’s looking for a home…. you never know.

by Timmay! on Jul 3, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is something wrong with you

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Rudy have any facillitating abilities?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

weak handle, so he’s not a good iso player.

BUT, he is the team’s best post-entry passer (by far, he’s exceptional) and a pretty decent pick and roll ballhandler.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Very similar to Speed in that respect.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah sorry

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

so pookey, you’d be alright with the Blazers remaining completely pat for next year?

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretending you’re a Blazer fan.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Truth is, I think Ben described it well when Nate Mac and Tom Penn had to keep KP & PA from going overboard during the draft.

I think this is similar in a way. If you believe Batum has those types of abilities, and you probably want to bring in someone whose better than what youve got at PG, than go after a player like Hinrich (who is only a bit better than Blake IMO) or Miller in FA.

But, this idea that the Blazers need to make a big splash? Hogwash. It’s dumb. They have the following: Roy, LMA, Oden, Fernandez, Webster, Blake, Bayless, Pryz, Outlaw and that doesn’t even include a guy like Pendergraph (who I think will be a good addition for Portland).

Truthfully, I think Portland needs to pare down some of it’s assets, and live with the fact you won’t have 12 All-Stars on the team. You need to commit to a team with a bunch of players who can do a variety of things to make the team better. Other than Outlaw, most of those guys I mentioned (and the best guys are All-Stars obviously) all do that.

Blake and Outlaw are expendable. Move them now, and build around everyone else.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree somewhat, but Hinrich is more than a marginal upgrade over Blake

(1) Blake was distinctly anti-clutch this year.

(2) He gets beaten off the dribble by opposing power forwards.

(3) He doesn’t run the pick and roll.

(4) Virtually no midrange game.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defensively I agree Hinrich is a clear upgrade

Offensively I do not.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

it comes down to two basic things

(1) Blake does not effectively run the pick and roll.

(2) Blake has no midrange game.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also think it comes down to this

You can play Bayless with either Hinrich or Roy on the floor. You can’t do that with Blake.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Hinrich/Rudy/Bayless/Roy/Batum combinations are crazy.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really wonder if the Hedo signing

was more or less about keeping Blake long term because the franchise does like what he brings so much.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if it was about shipping Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich. Outlaw is clearly unwanted with Hedo on boared.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The real question is why he's wanted with Hedo on board or not

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not a Travis guy. Nate likes the 3/4 tweeners. (see Radmanovic, Vladimir)

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I sense you wondering if Nate Mac can coach this team to rings?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we all wonder about that

He’s shown he’s a good rebuilding coach. He’s got a long way to go in terms of coaching championship D and playoff Xs and Os.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember a time when people had the doubts that Rick Adelman was that coach for the Kings

Even after he took the Blazers to 2 finals out of 3 years. I was one of those people who doubted Rick, and almost up until the end of the tenure, I blamed him for alot of things that in retrospect I wish I hadn’t.

My point? This stuff isn’t as cut & dry as we all like to believe. There is no easy answer here.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have specific concerns.

The small forward is not utilized at all in the offense.

Overall lack of defensive scheme.

Pace that is slow to a fault.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be careful what you wish for....

Cuz you just might get Eric Musselman.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

they have a roster that's not talented enough

and they have capspace with which to try to fix that.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I either want the team to (A) go for broke and sign a veteran or (B) admit that we aren’t going to win a title with the current personnel and develop the young guys.

If we attempted to make Batum a point forward, gave Bayless major minutes, drew players for Oden down low….. It would be hard, but I would be more okay with that then feeding Steve Blake 34+ minutes again.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zach Randolph is no longer under contract?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember thinking Joel's contract was horrible

paying $millions for defense and rebounding. But now his contract looks reasonable.

Even knowing that, however, I can little help thinking $12M+ per year is going to look awful in 2012, 2013, 2014

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yesss!

I cant tell you how happy I am.

by sPresley on Jul 3, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torrid! you need to change your sig, man.

Any Blazer coverage upcoming at LoadedO?

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

not for a while

unless there’s a big trade. That’s looking less likely. I held off on Hedo until it was confirmed.

by torridjoe on Jul 3, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice thinking.

Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.

by pualo on Jul 4, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

sources claim blazers just issued league wide emails

on possible course of litigation regarding free agent stealing. one source revealed that kp was on the phone interviewing lawyers 30mins after hedo backstabbed paul allen.

by spikex on Jul 3, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Is there an actual link for this?

Cause it was just a good faith agreement…nothing was actually signed

by ppilot on Jul 3, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's kidding

Definition of DISASTER:
Darius Miles Letter meets Hedo meets Thank You Posts meets Bedge Challenge.

by TheTinfoil on Jul 3, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

So....

KP doesnt have to rush anything right? Cause there really doesnt seem to be anything great out there, now that Hedo has run away.

Cant we hold off until the trade deadline and see what teams become overly desperate to save money in the midst of a losing season?

by BlazerBen on Jul 3, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Oct 31st I think

It’s at the end of the October I do believe.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, that only effects our cap space next year, not this year.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

affects, agh. dumb typo.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

not true

we can use the cap space right up until draft 2010.

im strongly in the camp of wait for now, and keep looking for a trading partner. i want no part of any of the remaining free agents

How did you guys win that?
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by douglast on Jul 4, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

leaning toward this somewhat.

by Cablinasian on Jul 4, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah its kinda slim pickins right now..

You think a guy like Harris could become available by the deadline if the Nets season is going poor enough?

by BlazerBen on Jul 4, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

you know I have been thinking, why don't they give rudy the chance to run the point?

He can definitely spread the defense, he’s got a good handle, he’s got awesome court vision, he can make his own shot and playing him more minutes in his second season might give him more reason to stay.(Not that I totally believe all the crap that’s been said in the last couple of days, heck how do we know those rumors weren’t started by someone in toronto?) A rudy-roy combo in the backcourt would allow them to switch off playing the point, with little impact on the blazers gameplay, while potentially having a great impact on the opposing teams coverage. Please KP stop threatening other teams with lawsuits, just wipe the egg off your face and move on! We’ll be fine without him, and you are not helping your league-wide image!

by Tyler Durrden on Jul 3, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously though...

does anyone think the Raptors are playing with a full deck here?

It’s hard to complain about losing a bidding war when the guy you’re bidding against just turns nucking futs….seriously?? 60 MILLION?

That’s like paying $500 for freaking Baltic Avenue. And selling two railroads to raise the cash.

You can have it, man.

by LicketyBrindle on Jul 3, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

rec

Definition of DISASTER:
Darius Miles Letter meets Hedo meets Thank You Posts meets Bedge Challenge.

by TheTinfoil on Jul 3, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN reporting 5 years, $53 million

Link

So maybe it wasn’t about the money….

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

someone on realgm said it was because Portland doesn't have a "hot box room."

Definition of DISASTER:
Darius Miles Letter meets Hedo meets Thank You Posts meets Bedge Challenge.

by TheTinfoil on Jul 3, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that's really what the contract winds up being

and if the Blazer’s number was 5 years, $50 million, I think it’s a shame KP barely missed getting what he planned for

But this also sounds like Hedo was sincere in choosing the city of Toronto for both himself and his wife, and not caring much for the basketball elements Portland offered. Perhaps he wants to play with Calderon, Bosh?

Or perhaps he feels uncomfortable being the veteran leader? I don’t know much about him, so I don’t know how his personality factored.

$3 million (if indeed that is the difference) is still nothing to cough at, but it looks like that wasn’t a major factor in his decision.

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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh,he won't be playing with bosh for long.

hedo won’t be heard from again once he signs this deal.

Definition of DISASTER:
Darius Miles Letter meets Hedo meets Thank You Posts meets Bedge Challenge.

by TheTinfoil on Jul 3, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is tomorrow Happy Independence from Hedo Day?

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by GustyJ on Jul 3, 2009 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

from Raptorsblog:

some quotes from Raptorsblog.com. Thought you guys might enjoy this.

If it is true that Turk is not signing in Portland, the idea of him signing in TO scares the crap out of me. With Turk in our starting line-up, we could possibly be the worst defensive team in the league!
Yahoo is reporting that Turkoglu has backed out of his deal with Portland and may be headed for a deal with Toronto. I hope this report is not accurate. The last thing the Raps need is Turkoglu.
Hedo for $50 million? That addresses the Raps’ lack of athleticism and perimeter defense? I think I just puked in my mouth.

Yeah, he’s gonna love it up north.

by LicketyBrindle on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Bullet dodged

I’ve gone back and forth on this idea so many times in the past two days I’m back to being stoked we were forced away from this bad idea. If Hedo wants to go to Toronto and never make the playoffs again with a depleted team unable to keep Bosh who will most certainly want out after next season – then good riddance. I’ve always wished that the team would see what they really have w/Webster, give quality minutes to Batum and Fernandez both at the 3, and use this cap space to make that uneven trade or two for PG and PF/C. Later Hedo, enjoy your $ and your long summers that start in April.

PWN3D

by NoRespert on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Good morning sweet world. I wake up and Hedo is no longer a Blazer.

Did somebody already mention that Gerald Wallace only costs 38 millions over 4 years which people previously claimed was too much? Heck even Luol Deng

by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

That does put a new spin on things, doesn't it? I'll take Crash, unless of course some magical stat says he sucks.

i’ve decided to be irrationally pissy about stats, just FYI to anyone who likes them. it’s not you, it’s me.

Definition of DISASTER:
Darius Miles Letter meets Hedo meets Thank You Posts meets Bedge Challenge.

by TheTinfoil on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crash is awesome, no stats needed. He dominates LA.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

50m for someone who always loses to la

or 38m for a defensive big ass dude who can fly and crash into the rim and always dominates la.

The choice for me is easy.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Skeets is going to be psyched.

Scrap the rebuild for one year of borderline playoff basketball.

by as11osu on Jul 4, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's up guys

Sorry I’m late to the party. I’m sure virtually every angle has been touched already by you folks, but the best one to me is ESPN’s spin on this for Toronto:

As for the Raptors, the signing signaled their intention of trying to immediately assemble a championship-caliber team that could present matchup problems for Orlando, Boston and Cleveland as they try to persuade superstar Chris Bosh to stay in Toronto when he becomes a free agent next summer.

Toronto’s projected starting five for 2009-10 now includes Turkoglu, Bosh, Andrea Bargnani, Jose Calderon and rookie DeMar DeRozan, with Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries and Roko Ukic the key reserves until general manager Brian Colangelo fills out the roster with minimum-salaried players. Humphries and backup guard Quincy Douby have only partial guarantees for next season, and it was not immediately clear whether they would be waived — and whether unrestricted free agent Joey Graham would be renounced — to clear additional cap space for Turkoglu.

Man I sure hope they bring back super sub Roko Ukic, he’s the key to the whole thing, the engine that makes that well-oiled dynasty machine tick

Between super-sub Kris Humphries and Vinnie-Johnson-alike Joey Graham, might as well start printing those baseball caps now

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by rivetz on Jul 3, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

no depth whatsoever

A pretty talented starting lineup though. I can see them making the playoffs, but this is going to look really stupid when Turk is playing like crud in 2-3 years.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland, Orlando, Boston are still better.

With that defense, I think they would be lucky to land 6th seed at best. Championship caliber? They need to wake up.

by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

they are a long way from competing with the 3 you mentioned.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even like the starting lineup.

1) Calderon (unlke Roy btw) is a classic PG who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. That’s a major adjustment to make. What was wrong with Calderon running the offense? And don’t tell me that it’s hypocritical because the same question faced Portland. Totally different situation.

2) Like I said above, Turkoglu and Bargnani are in many ways similar players. A big man with good hands who can shoot it from deep? What else you got?

3) They better hope DeMar DeRozan is legit, which is far from a sure thing. Forget about bringing him along slowly, he’ll be expected to contribute right out of the gate. Do they know something the rest of the NBA doesn’t?

4) I don’t see Bosh functioning as well with Turkoglu as Hedo did with Howard. Completely different offensive sets, and while I’m sure they can feed off each other, it’s not anywhere near the natural transition that a move to Portland w Oden at C would be for Turkoglu.

5) As mentioned, the defense was already a titanic concern, and they’re going to ditch one of the only decent defenders they had in Marion.

6) This is a move you make after you’ve gotten the commitment from Chris Bosh, not the season before. If Turkoglu regresses and Bosh hits the road as a result, this franchise could be boned for years.

I could go on, but that’s probably enough for now. I don’t dislike the Raptors as a franchise, at all, so any Toronto fans reading this, sorry, I’m not trying to be malicious or vindictive. I just really do not get this move at all on the part of Colangelo.

"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009

by rivetz on Jul 3, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

(1) Calderon actually has one of the lowest usage rates of a starting guard at 16%… much less than that of Roy.

by Cablinasian on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tell you what.

They win the next United Nations basketball tournament bar none.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, this move defies all logic for me. I can understand overpaying if you’re Portland, you have the room to do it without gutting the team, you have no glaring holes in your roster, and you can see the next step of playoff performance in front of you. I cannot fathom overpaying even more when you’re sacrificing virtually all of your depth, you have so many other areas of need, and you’re nowhere near challenging for the division. And isn’t Turkoglu in many ways basically an older Bargnani with a better handle and less post/rebounding skills? Insane. Insane. Enjoy your franchise cornerstone, Toronto. YOUR TIME IS NOW, RAPTOR NATION.

P.S. Better handcuff Chris Bosh to the rim because if he bails next summer you guys are ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffhgkghkghkghgjkghg

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by rivetz on Jul 3, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

one quote from Berg's piece catches my eye:
Another person familair with the situation said Turkoglu wasn’t the right fit for the Blazers and that the two sides had “different priorities.”

Portland’s priority is to win an NBA title, Hedo’s cleary is…something else. Leaving Orlando and jilting Portland pretty much proves that.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions  

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 4, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

cap space

I wonder if the NBA rules allow the team to give the fans stimulus checks for any unused cap space.

by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

T. Glue

He might or might not have worked out for Portland, but I think the deal Toronto is doing is insane.

by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Everyone keeps talking about lopsided trades...are they out there?

Ever since the Miles situation blew-up in our face, it appears Portland’s perception is that our mgnt team cannot be trusted. It doesn’t sound as though that had anything to do with Hedo’s decision (i.e. wife), but any worthwhile lopsided trades to be had will be difficult to come by. I know many of you weren’t thrilled to be pursuing Hedo, but we may have lost out on the only player that could have put us as the best spot…as in the most potent offense in the league and best closeout team at the end of games.

All for not…hopefully they can still make a splash, but if they waste that cap space and continue to depend on youth to develop, they will never get over on the L*akers and Celtics of the world and may not recover. Sorry, my depression has hit…the sky isn’t really falling.

by gr8odensravens on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Any other ideas how we can turn this into an unmitigated disaster?

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marion???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

A very quick note

Having put on the analyst hat above and spelled out all these ways that this signing doesn’t work for Toronto, I want to be clear that the most glaring problem by a country mile is the Raptor’s current cap situation and their 08-09 record. I applaud GMs that jump in with both feet. I love the win now mentalilty. It’s why we follow teams in the offseason. Fans groan about it and silently applaud it when no one’s looking.

But for a team that:
a) didn’t have tons of cap room,
b) had so many areas of need,
c) isn’t close to a sustained run of playoff appearances and
d) could be without their franchise player in one year,

that’s what bothers me. Not Hedo on this team, Hedo on a team in this situation. Hope that makes sense.

"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009

by rivetz on Jul 3, 2009 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Somebody's fanpost about trading for Wade got deleted.

I had a great joke too.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 3, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't put good jokes in there then

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Toronto vs Portland Income Tax

There are several mentions of Canadian vs US taxes for Turk above. If I understand this link correctly, the combined federal and provincial top marginal tax rate for Toronto Ontario is 46.4%. The top marginal tax rate for Portland is 44.0% (35% federal + 9% Oregon). So ignoring any city income taxes the marginal tax rates are only about 2.4% higher in Toronto (although the highest tax rates kick in at somewhat different income levels). So very roughly Turk loses only about 1.2M more to taxes in Toronto on $50M income. If this is way off for some reason, please correct me.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 3, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

The Raptors can offer a bonus though

Of 20% and have it taxed at 15% though.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That applies to U.S. Residents

I wonder what Turkeyglue is?

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by OhOhOden on Jul 4, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

So if the 20% signing bonus is about $2M (on a $10M 1st year salary) then he probably pays 15% (I would assume this is the federal tax rate which is normally 29%) + 17.4% Ontario rate (assuming that is over and above this special 15% federal “bonus” rate) for a total of 32.4% vs 46.4%, or a savings of about $280,000 on that $2M bonus. So that’s only a relatively small savings on his total income tax of approximately $23M on $50M income. That would reduce the Toronto total tax penalty to about $900K on $50M income. Anyway, these are really rough numbers but it doesn’t look like the Toronto tax penalty is a deterrent.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 4, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what that is designed to achieve

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice work Turk!

he played portland and toronto very well. i believe its called a “screen and roll”. his 6’10" frame and ball handling skills put to good use.

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by 5212872 on Jul 3, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

2 Big disappointments so far this offseason...

Draft day and opening day of FA…it can only get better, but it needs to come quickly. KP and the boyz need to get a deal(s) done by the opening of training camp.

by gr8odensravens on Jul 3, 2009 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Naw screw that.

I think we’re too caught up in ‘oh we need to make a move or we’re going down in a ball of flames!‘. We’ve made more moves in the last 3 years then other teams could count. What happened to waiting for the upside of these guys? The only guys on this roster that I see have reached their peek are Blake and Trout. (yup, Przy still has room).

Say we get some kick butt player in his prime next year. Doesn’t matter when it comes to championships. I’m of the group that says as Oden goes, so does the rest of the team. And Greg is definitely AT LEAST 2 seasons away.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Timbo suggested Josh Childress. Also not a bad idea, he is fairly cheap, doesn't want back to ATL and fulfills the point forward criterion KP seems to lust after.

And unlike Hedo he can even defend some PGs (the bigger more combo ones) on defense, which he does all the time in Europe. Problem is his lack of an outside shot, and while he has good athleticism it’s not quite the level of the elite SFs.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Childress had a TS% of over 64% Norskie.

He can’t be that bad.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets say he takes very few attempts from outside

He scores inside and from mid-range. And in Europe had massive problems getting to the rim against zone defenses and moving picks/pick defenses and mobile big men. As e.g. evidenced in the Euroleague semi finals that they lost in which he just didn’t get enough shots up. But I like the idea of a player who is versatile enough to play a point forward when one is needed and brings better defense.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hedon't - the true inside story

(scene: sometime Friday afternoon in the Blazer offices)

KP: Hey, Hedo, we have this amazingly rabid fanbases – the best in the NBA for sure. Check it out, RIGHT NOW, these guys over on BlazersEdge are going to racking up thousands of comments about the news of your signing.

(KP pulls up BE, navigates to the Hedo signing thread, where poll shows most NOT in favor of Hedo)

Hedo (scrolling through hundreds and hundreds of comments reading ‘NOOOOOOOOOOOO’: ah, um, hey Kevin, where’s the bathroom?

(scene- Hedo on phone in bathroom with agent)

Hedo: No, no, they don’t want me at all. They hate me. Call Colangelo, tell him I want to be a Raptor. And get me on the next plane out of here before these guys show up with torches and pitchforks.

And thus, BE readers have officially made their first player personnel decision

How did you guys win that?
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-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 4, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Too bad the Raptors don't have a blog on SBN. The scattered fans elsewhere led by Skeets don't seem to stoked about Hedo

The only fan base that seems to want him back is Orlando

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fans on

realgm Toronto boards seemed very happy that Turk was going to Portland originally. They may have changed their tune to an abourt-face now but I imagine many of them are annoyed that Colangelo gutted the team and gave Hedo 60 million for five years.

by TSE on Jul 4, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

So go ahead

Gut your team Toronto, you lose Bosch next year for sure, and are in the same boat as Memphis. Turk is rich, but will NEVER own a ring (unless he buys one from Shaq of course)

by Cory2669 on Jul 4, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Hedo's not worried about a ring dude.

$$$ + a city that fits his family is what’s he’s after. If he was worries about rings he would hav nvr left ORL in the 1st place.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bottom line...

Don’t even know if we need a SF yet (see Martell Webster and Nic Batum). What i do know now is as goes Greg, so goes the Blazers in talks of championship contender… and Greg’s gonna take at least 2 more seasons b 4 we know he’s a bust or not. With that said, niether Blake nor Bayless will never be a starting PG of a championship team.

Focus on a big time PG!!! They’re the QB of the team. Stop F’ing around @ the SF position Blazer management!!!

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome

Hope he likes playing for a piss poor team.

by GreatOdensRaven on Jul 4, 2009 1:39 AM PDT reply actions  

who wouldn't?

wait, I can’t think straight… all the blood in my brain has rushed to the other brain…

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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

your weiner doesn't hav a brain

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Canzano...

Is gonna have a field day. Anyone have the over/under on how many paragraphs of righteous umbrage about Hedo’s decision and how Portland will be better off without him? (Nevermind the fawning column he wrote the other day. John Canzano never makes mistakes. Oceania was always at war with Eastasia, and the Blazers didnt really want Hedo)

by emc503 on Jul 4, 2009 1:46 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Whew!

Hopefully there is a plan B, but if not I think I’d rather make lemonade from lemons with $9M then wish we had saved a few lemons. $50M+ is a lot of lemons for someone who might go sour before their expiration date.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Jul 4, 2009 1:48 AM PDT reply actions  

'Plan B' shoulda been plan A in the 1st place...

realize what you hav @ SF next season while you go for Andre Miller and .or better PG NOW.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 4, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

A few days ago, I was totally content with our SF situation..

And now I’m worried that we have a desperate need to fix it.

My head hurts a little..

by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 AM PDT reply actions  

As much

Asmuchas i hate him, lets bring in the birdman. He would be better in a blazer jersey, as well as heinrich

by Cory2669 on Jul 4, 2009 2:51 AM PDT reply actions  

What craziness

Really, what the hell is Toronto thinking. This is the exact wrong move for them— we can overpay for a role player who fits us offensively and feel fine with it, for THEM they are basically making a 30 year old decent but not great player a franchise focal point.

Even if ya keep Bosh, ya think having no bench and paying him that much for 5 years is a GOOD thing? Horrible, horrible signng for Toronto. With how much those fans hate Bosh, they’re gonna wanna murder Hedo for what he means money wise and how they had to gut the team to afford him.

Perhaps, for the Blazers, this coulda’ turned out to be a Brand for the 76ers type deal. We could win by losing. I do like what Hedo could do for us offensively, but if we’re upgrading our SF I’d rather go elsewhere.

Really, the only thing I don’t like is that we liked Hedo and didn’t get him. If KP wanted him, I wanted him.

Oh well. This isn’t anywhere close to the end of the world, and losing out on him may be God winking at us and smiling. Toronto… you are sooooo dumb. Even Hedo at his absolute best isn’t a good fit and value for them.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 4, 2009 2:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't under Toronto's thinking at all.

This would have been a fine move for them if Bosh has committed to Toronto long-term behind the scenes, but I doubt that he has. He clearly wants to play out his contract, see where the franchise is going, and wants to play with another big name like Wade in Miami if LeBron doesn’t head to New York.

If Bosh bails they’re left with a lineup of Calderon/DeRozan/Hedo/Bargnani/Random. That’s a fine lineup but at this point I’d say for it to ever reach any chance of even competing in the first round of the playoffs DeRozan would have to develop fast into something good. I mean they have no bench!

by TSE on Jul 4, 2009 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

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