The Official I _______ Turkoglu Thread (UPDATED w/Poll)
by broggerboy19 on Jul 3, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
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PrintAlas, it's over. All the debating and hysteria can be put aside, trades will be made to round out our roster, and we will officially have an army to go to war with for the next 5 years.
It's time to embrace our newest Blazer and show him just how supportive our fanbase can be. This is not a post intended to debate whether or not he's a good fit because that is a moot point. We must now move forward with enthusiasm and a positive outlook for our future, one that will help shape us into a formidable title contender for years to come (rest assured, our fans are a huge reason why the youngest active roster in the league won 54 games last year).
Paul Allen showed him the money, now it's time for us to show him the love and what Blazermania is all about. Allow me to begin:
Mr. Turkoglu, welcome to Portland to you and your family. You have come to the right place. You will be admired, respected, and loved thoroughly for all your tenure here and beyond. Once a Blazer, always a Blazer. You have the unique opportunity to finish your remaining playing days in a breathtakingly gorgeous state that desperately wants to quench its thirst for an NBA championship contender. Get to know the town, the culture, and our fans and we won't let you down. Thank you for choosing us; you will not be disappointed.
OK, BEdge, it's your turn!
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Ok, so as oregonlive.com and nba.com have confirmed, Mr. Turkey became unglued from the prospect of becoming a Blazer and has flown the coup to Toronto (?).
As disappointing or elating as this may be for some, feel free to use this thread to vent or to express whether or not you think this was an epic fail for the Blazers.
Personally, I think it's disgraceful that Hedo has apparently wasted a crucial period of our free agency window to turn his back on what seemed at one point like nothing other than a done deal. I realize that things like this happen, but sheesh, if you really didn't think you'd be comfortable in Portland, then why bother? Perhaps to drive up the price of Toronto's offer? Let her rip, and take the poll if so inclined.
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Start Playing Defense Now
Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.
by Salem Stephen on Jul 3, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
well I bitched and moaned about overpaying him...
I even wrote a post suggesting he resembles sloth from the goonies…but he’s a blazer now, so I’m on board.
Hedo, Rudy and Broy with LA and GO in the front court = unstoppable offense.
Inside, outside, passing, matchup problems all over the place, shooting, moving without the ball…its all there
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
from John Hollinger:
That takes us to the other story, Rudy Fernandez’s reported unhappiness with his role and the pursuit of Turkoglu. But actually, a Turkoglu acquisition should be a godsend for Rudy. In a traditional lineup, it was going to be hard for him to see much daylight behind Roy, but in this set-up he could play extended minutes alongside those two provided he can defend quick point guards.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
exactly. As long as Rudy can stay in front of PG's he should play quite well with Roy in the backcourt.
by dario argento on Jul 3, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it Rudy who will be defending the one, or would it be Roy?
Serious question, what do you think? Roy has a lot more muscle to defend SGs, but I’m not sure who would have more success trying to stay with the uber-quick PGs. I’m inclined to think that a lot of this will be match-up dependent.
Bayless may be a better option against the water-bug PGs.
by upper left corner on Jul 3, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to Portland!
I hope that you are very successful in Portland and help us win some championships.
Welcome Hedo!
Let´s kill those lakers bitches.
by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Now that he is signed
I hope I am wrong and he will contribute well for this team and take them to the promise land.
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not official until july 8
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
Great signing. We're winning 60 this year, and now have a legit shot to advance
in the postseason. People will be eating their words when they see how efficient our offense is going to be with another playmaker out there. Watch Oden and Rudy be the biggest beneficiaries of this move.
Sad Day!
Sad Day If this deal does go through, I will be very disapointed…
The blazers will regret this move within two years. We may win two or three more games this season, and maybe one round in the playoffs. But in the very near future this move will prove to be the set-back that keeps this team from ever competing for the championship.
A very sad day!
Wrong thread, dog.
This would be more appropriate elsewhere, maybe?
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see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
by Sarbonis on Jul 3, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Thank You
This post is intended for warm, positive comments towards Hedo and his family and not much else!
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
Hey, was wondering is this post still "intended for warm, positive comments towards Hedo and his family"...
and not much else?
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
make it green fellas
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.
What is your 'realistic' alternative?
Please do include PGs from your wish list (e.g. CP3, DWilliams, Harris, Rondo, etc.) it is not gonna happen.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 3, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
We might have just gotten ourselves a title chance
With this move, sooner than otherwise.
Proud member of Duck nation!
BLAZERS WIN!
Proud member of Duck nation!
by skywaker9 on Jul 3, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Welcome hedo
a lot of people i think will be eating their words. Hedo will make the blazers so versatile!
I think you'll find that more people are willing to take a wait and see approach now.
The Blazers actually signing him changes a lot in my mind. Since he’s a Blazer, I’ll root for him, even if I was pretty vocal against signing him in the first place.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
Watch and see
As all NBA Guards & Forwards blow by Hedo with ease. I feel sorry for Greg, Lamarcus, & Joel. They will be picking up fouls faster than ever.
Prepare for a return to mediocrity.. Our championship hopes are dead.
Really man?
What part of “Wrong thread. Appreciation post” did you not get? Take that somewhere else.
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Oh, and Rick
Welcome to BE. I seriously mean that. But try and read the rules about appropriate posts and where to put them before you come into a post like this and start being negative. There are plenty of places on this site to voice your displeasure about the signing, but this is not one of them
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Seriously?
Please back-up your thoughs with legit opinions. You will not have an offense if you pursue defensive minded perimeter players. Besides no perimeter defender other than Bryant, Wade, and LeBron can defend consistently with the rules currently in place. The days of Mario Ellie pushing in the backs of our guards is long gone!
by gr8odensravens on Jul 3, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
yes we will watch and see
As Oden becomes the beast we need him to be if we ever have hopes of winning it all, all thanks to Hedo. He’ll teach Batum the ropes and relinquinsh the starter role in a few seasons. Provides a veteran presence in the locker room for our young guns. This move will prove to be the catalyst to more than one finals appearance.
watch much basketball Rick? Ever wonder how a guy like Dwight Howard scores 20 a night with absolutely zero post moves?
by mathrockerpdx on Jul 3, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen his opponents PER when he plays the three, its like 13. Sure he got help from Howard, but its not that bad dude. Plus if they don’t spend this money now it gets absorbed by extension contracts to the guys they have on the roster already. I for one am totally looking forward to fourth quarters with Roy, Rudy, and Hedo on the floor. That’s gonna be sick
by 8volumesthick on Jul 3, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Hedo did a good job on Pierce on the playoffs, and was no worse on Kobe and LeBron than anyone else
We just say a real test of Turk’s defense. He didn’t exactly ace the test, but rumors of his horrible defense seem somewhat exaggerated.
I certainly see Turk as a net positive. He addresses a lot of needs on the offensive end, and he is better than Trout as a team defender. Nic will be there for certain match-ups
by upper left corner on Jul 3, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that it's done, it's done.
Honestly it was getting to the point where there wasn’t any options out there better than Hedo in free agency. I don’t like the 5 year part, but we might as well have spent the money while we had the chance.
As for his defense, I don’t think he’s going to bring much improvement but he certainly doesn’t make us worse (so long as Batum continues to get time).
In all honesty, the most efficient offense in the NBA just got better, plain and simple.
Welcome to Portland, my pizza munching friend.
I think I missed something...
What is all this about him loving pizza?? If this is indeed the case, if he truly has a pizza-loving reputation that precedes him, my feelings about this move has changed dramatically.
I HEART TURKOGLU!
There is a reason I have a website called http://www.apizzadudes.com
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
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"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
Hedo eats pizza before every game
And anyone who loves pizza is A-OK in my book
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Woah that's wild
Usually when I eat pizza before playing, I’m all weighed-down and low-energy. However, a halibut sandwich and fries from BV leaves me in top-shape… I’m all for eating pizza, and if he makes it work, more power to him. PIZZA POWER.
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
HEDO! HEDO! HEDO!
Pizza is on The Juice tonight!!!
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Sorry for the negativity
It’s just that I have had such high hopes for the direction this team was heading.
I am crushed.
It's ok
I understand where you’re coming from. I myself was on the fence about this deal til about the last week, when I really started to talk myself into it. I just think it’s a little premature to view this as a move that will bring the team down. In fact, I think you’ll be very surprised about how well this will work out (Well, I hope so, at least). Anyway, the point is, we’re all in this thing together, so nothing but positive thoughts from here on out! See you at the parade!!!
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Again, what is the direction you were hoping for?
Maybe part of it is still possible.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 3, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to blazers edge! You will not be crushed when you see Hedo infuriating defenses because he is runnning the side pick and roll with Oden, to get Oden easy buckets.
And you will not be crushed when Roy is double teamed, dishes to Hedo and he has a 4 on 3 with Oden and Lamarcus in the post, and rudy on the wing to decide how he wants to crush the opponent. I was not on board with this decision earlier this week either, but I trust KP, and when you look at what Hedo will bring to us, this move is great I think.
by dario argento on Jul 3, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we were all hesitant ...
… but, we also have to trust that the Pau Gasol-esque trade scenarios were not out there to throw exceptions and draft picks at so we could take on a superstar’s contract. If we upgrade at the point and remove the jam at SF through trade, and add a solid veteran with the mid-level or veteran’s minimum, how could we not consider this about as good as we could have expected for an off-season? I think next summer we will look back at this without regret. A lot may happen next summer … or a lot may not. Some teams will get better and some will get worse. The point is … we are in good hands. We have an owner and management who clearly will do what it takes to allow this team to succeed. If this project fails, I don’t expect KP to sit on his hands and say, “Oh, well. We’ll try again in five years.” We have our core. We also have someone in KP who could probably pull a rabbit out of a used condom. We’re fine. Relax and let’s see what we have.
Chris Paul and Lebron James couldn't do it themselves
Roy shouldn’t be asked to make all the plays. Hedo is going help everyone on the team, from post players, Roy, and even guys like Blake/Bayless/Rudy.
It’s a good day to be a Blazer.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I think so!
Here’s to more game winners for Hedo at the RG (never thought I’d say that)
Dictated, not read. The management.
HEEEEEDOOOOOOOOO!
Now that its done, might as well get excited about it! Besides, we’re gonna have an amazingly potent offense this year and Nic and Brandon will help pick up any defensive slack.
Finally we have someone who we can blame for everything that goes wrong
Veterans need to win games
by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
He's a really fun player to watch, and I'm betting he'll fit well
Once the season starts and everyone forgets about the contract stuff, we will all come to realize that our team is really, really good.
Dictated, not read. The management.
I wouldn't have gone this direction.
I was pretty vocal against it too.
But now that it’s happened,
I got to root for Turkoglu.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
apizza scholls
pain in the butt to get it, but it is so very good. I think the Blazers need to make a deal with them to make him a special pie before each game.
Not such a pain
when your office is right across the street…
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
oh you are so lucky!
Last time I went there was about a year ago, have the crowds gotten smaller in recent times? I remember having to wait a long time to get a table and the hours were short. So worth it though.
Crowds still big
you just gotta know when to go.
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"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
Come on Toronto. It's still not too late!
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Jul 3, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Now more relevant than ever!
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
This comment is almost spooky in retrospect
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
OMG I WOULD DIE
Hedo or Nodo, this needs to happen.
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
We are going to be knocking teams out.
Top of the conference here we come, as Artest explodes in Kobe’s face.
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oregonlive.com said that hedo rejected the contract and he is not going to be a blazer and that he is leaving tomorrow. if any one knows more please post something
i hate him!!
i hope we murder the raptors by 40 and then KP flips turk the bird
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
from NBA.com: “…simply changed his mind, deciding that he and his family would be more comfortable in Toronto, with its international makeup and large Turkish population.”
Yeah, OK. I can understand that, to a certain degreee. But you gotta ask: if that is what is important to him, rather than winning, is he someone you’d want playing for YOUR team? (rhetorical question)
Duct tape makes you smart.
Hedo?
He don’t.
"And look at Robin dancin' around Ha Ha Haaaah!
by The Rubberband Man on Jul 3, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions
That's the only other place he would go
They’re the only place with the cap room and the need.
Unless there’s a sign and trade.
Proud member of Duck nation!
And its also about family...which is kinda important
His wife said she rather live in Toronto..
Now what's the tax rate in Canada?
Is like 35% income and 14% sales I think.
We just lucked out big time.
I have a feeling that reports of 50 over 5 were false, and that Pritch & Co were waffling a bit.
Either way, we have 3 promising guys at small forward, and five years of this guy, at the expense of Web or Nic was not sitting well with me. I’m a happy guy!!
yeah, that was my main reservation
I would love to see nic and martell really grow into a great sf tandem.
WOOOOO
when Hedo comes to town next year let’s give him a standing O as Webster blows by him and jams on Bosh and Barg’s faces!!!
Argh
It’s couldn’t care less! I couldn’t care less! If you COULD care less, then well, you obviously care somewhat! Because you could care less!
Saying “I could care less” means you care an indeterminate amount
Saying “I couldn’t care less” means you don’t care at all
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
You gotta let that go.
It appears that half the country couldn’t care less that they’re getting it wrong. Even if TheGreatMon could care less.
Couldn't care less!
Exactly. That’s my vote.
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
If its true that he chnged his mind...
My prayers have been answered… I feel like a death row prisoner that just got a last second reprieve from the Governor.
Stupid Hedo
I got all disappointed that we were going after Hedo, then just as I warmed up to the idea, I check BEdge again and it turns out he’s not coming, so now I’m actually dissappointed. Stupid Hedo, getting me all worked up
Call Brandon Roy by his real nicknames: The Natural and Roybot. Lets put an end to "B-Roy"
This is just weird
I was against this move from the beginning, hated it, argued against it with anyone who would listen. But then when he “agreed in principle” I felt compelled to get behind him, I thought of all the good things he “could” bring to the team, how tall our starting 5 would be, how he does play decent defense because the numbers say so, even though my eyes say he doesn’t, you know pretty much all of the cup half-full and silver lining on a cloud thoughts I could have.
And now that he renaged, I am less relieved, and more upset that he didn’t sign on as a Blazer, but I have no idea why. I still believe in my heart that the Blazers will be better without him, but I can’t help feeling this way. Maybe it is because KP and Nate were so convincing about how Hedo was the perfect fit for this team, and they have done so much good for this team since they got here, they have almost done everything right. So what if I am wrong, and they were right?
This is the one time that I hope I am smarter than KP…
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
strummin' my pain with your keyboard
This is EXACTLY where I’m at w/ this whole thing.
by Montavilla Steve on Jul 3, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
That’s what I’m going to do as loud as I can every time She-do touches the ball when the Raptors come to town. The thing about it is, I didn’t want Turkoglu until I spent the last 4 days talking myself into it. Now that ugly mug is going to Toronto so that he can be on a really crappy team for the next 5 years. The Blazers just got Boozered. You suck Hedo. I hope you trip over the CN Tower.
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Thank the lord!
Join the Raptors. We didnt need another 3 anyways. Find a Point Guard, or lets saave the money to sign our players.
You can go over the cap to sign your own players
Its use the money now or lose it
The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.
If it’s the money, then it had better be a lot of money. I did a quick calculation and figured they’d need to pay about $5m extra just to cover the tax spread, and that doesn’t even count the large sales tax in Toronto (versus zero in Portland).
If it’s because of the city, then you (and your wife, since you apparently want to blame it on her) are complete jerks for stringing us along, if only for a day.
Enjoy being on a lottery team next year, and those nice toasty warm winters in Toronto.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 PM PDT reply actions
for one day?
"That buck that bought a bottle, coulda struck to lotto"- Nas
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 3, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like I just got rejected by a fairly homely blind date
Anyone else feelin’ that way?
by Montavilla Steve on Jul 4, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I am too...
darn blind dates….they always reject me, esp. the homely ones…
Do I smell or something?
Blazers win!
Despise Hedo
I can tell you I would have never have circled Portland vs. Toronto as a game in which I found it mandatory to order single game tickets. I plan on sitting 20 deep in the 300 level giving Hedo the “Darius Miles Treatment,” booing him every time he places his greasy Pizza Hut phalanges on the rock. If you suffer from a hearing impairment and cannot hear our boo’s you will notice our crew because we will be wearing " Hedo Turkoglu is an Indian Giver" t-shirts.
Blazers nation we cannot tolerate Hedo’s shenanigans no longer in the Rose Garden. Last year the ugly bank shot to beat us by one, and now he’s playing just like Iran flipping the script on a “democratic” election . How will you recieve Hedo as he steps foot on the court for the first time in the Rose Garden?
Confucius Says: "Beer before liquor never been sicker, liquor before beer you're in the clear."
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If i am able to go to any game this season it will have to be against Toronto. I simply can’t stand it when a player, and a player that IS ON THE DECLINE, signs just for money. I think when Toronto plays every single fan should throw pizza @ this backward fool. FRICK, now I wish we woulda went after Artest, and I hate to say that. Hey here we go. Lets talk to Ron Ron and offer him 3*23/25 I bet that would get him from the L*akers.
What's the differance of 3-6 mil? oh about 20+ more losses, and the chance to watch the only star leave by the end of the season. Suck it Hedo!
Suck it Hedo. You are ugly anyways.
Have fun losing on a Bosh-less craptastic team while we are crushing the opposition and making deep playoff runs. We will laugh at you, and you will say “man I should have signed with Portland.” And we will look down on you in shame. No Hedo, we aren’t angry at you…… just disappointed.
I respect his decision
Agreements in principle are not in any way binding. Sure, it’s a pretty drastic about-face, but NBA players—like it or not—are motivated by self-interest just as much as the rest of us. $6 million is a lot to leave on the table, regardless of your profession.
In response to the comments about being motivated by money, I think it is necessary to point out that Brandon Roy will (likely) soon ask for and receive a maximum contract. Will we then accuse him of being a money-hungry miscreant? I highly doubt it.
The fact of the matter is most athletes want to make as much money as they can. To them it is a matter of prudence; they never know when their assets may become devalued, or when some sort of career-ending injury may eliminate their ability to make a living. Hedo did what the vast majority of NBA players would have done. Only time will tell how that decision will affect both the Blazers and the Raptors.
Go Blazers.
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