Who to trade? (With Poll)
by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 12:21 PM PDT
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Now that Turkoglu appears to be signing with Portland. Who do we trade? There obviously aren't enough minutes to go around for all of these guys. And who should we trade for? It's apparent that we could use an upgrade at PG. So, one option would be to trade one or two of these guys plus Blake or Bayless to get said PG.
Some possible targets
Andre Miller (Sign and trade with Philadelphia)
Now here's a poll.
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Travis is gone no doubt
the poll should be who we want to get
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 3, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here are some names of big man who KP could "target" with Outlaw's salary
Brian Scalabrine 3,413,793
Steven Hunter 3,696,000
Fabricio Oberto 3,800,000
Brian Cook 3,500,000
Luis Scola 3,284,667
Carl Landry 3,000,000
Marc Gasol 3,240,000
Kurt Thomas 3,800,000
Amir Johnson 3,666,667
Kevin Love 3,401,040
Matt Bonner 3,256,500
Kris Humphries 3,200,000
Keyon Dooling 3,564,000 (backup PG who shot 40% from distance, last year)
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amir Johnson and Fabricio Oberto
were recently traded and will not be available for 60 days (I think)
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same situation with Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee
I’m not sure if the Bucks would like Travis, but KT is the kind of veteran big man who would be good to have around, playing behind LMA and teaching Pendergraph and Cunningham the ropes
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Mike Bibby
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
(who would also be a sign and trade at this point)
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a fair opinion and I would have concerns as well, but I’d say the same thing or worse regarding at least half the guys on that list.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Bibby is probably much more attainable than several players on that list.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bibby's salary
was 19 mil last year
He’s have to agree to 12 then KP could deal Blake, Outlaw and Bayless for MIke
then we’d have worse perimeter defense and no backup PG
Or, they could take Blake or Bayless out of the deal and add Przybilla?
Do you get the picture? Now that the cap-space is gone, you’ll have to lower your “sights” on which players are “attainable”
Keep Blake. He’s the spot-up 3 this team still needs to spread the floor
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Blake more than Bibby
I wouldn’t mind sticking with Blake for another season, and then see what we can get
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 3, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bibby plays no D at all
I don’t know how people ignore that. He would slaughtered by every pg we play. I don’t want Miller, Calderon or Nash either for mostly the same reason.
by KitIsh on Jul 3, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, you are ignoring my point...
… which is, Bibby should be on that list as much as the others, although I would personally rather have Hinrich, Harris, or Rondo.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK we're on the same page
My list would be Conley, Hinrich, Harris, Rondo.
by KitIsh on Jul 3, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hope would be that everyone forgets Mike Bibby...
But that’s just my opinion…
by Ilikeemall on Jul 3, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want
Bibby, Miller, Kidd, Conley, Sessions, Calderon, or Nash. Only 3 choices I like are Rondo, Harris, and Hinrich, in that order. All 3 of those are “rumored” to be available, but I don’t think we have what it takes to get Rondo from Boston, so that leaves Harris and Hinrich. Harris might be able to be had for a package of Blake, Outlaw and Bayless +picks and cash if needed, or for a package of Outlaw, Rudy and Bayless + cash and picks if needed. I would do either, but I would rather keep Rudy over keeping Blake.
As for Hinrich I would do Blake and Outlaw for him, and I think they might look at that as a good deal for him, but that is unsure now that Gordon is gone for sure.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 3, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the deal still makes sense for Chicago
The thing that makes Blake and Trout so valuable is that they’re both very solid young players and yet they’re also partially guaranteed expiring deals. So, Chicago might like Hinrich, but his salary is still too much to pay for a back up PG. Better to swap him for a solid back up in Blake, a very good bench scorer in Trout, and the potential for even more cap space in the FA bonanza of 2010 – when Chicago could be a major player because of the desirability of the city.
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by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably need the scoring from him
Now that Ben Gordon is available. I think they hold on to him.
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by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon is Gone*
Man I need an edit button :(
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Hinrich for those 2...
I put us as the “all-out” favorite to win it all next year, that team would be “sick,” offensively & defensively
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be very happy with Calderon
if I remember right, KP has had interest in him before.
by parkinglotj on Jul 3, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why everyone is down on Conley
I don’t think he is really available, but you never know with Memphis. Conley played well 2nd half of last year. He shot 40% from 3 for the season, he can D up and he doesn’t need the ball on offense. He’s the right age, and he would fit the culture. Sounds good to me.
by KitIsh on Jul 3, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The appeal...
of a Kirk for Blake and Outlaw trade before was to clear room to resign BG. Now that the Bulls don’t have a true sg (Salmons is more of a sf) on the roster that trade is pointless. The Blazers would have to include Rudy in a Hinrich deal now. He is apparently unhappy and his mins will most likely be reduced. I know everyone has a man crush on him but why do you need him riding the pine. A Hinrich plus pick for Blake, Rudy, Outlaw or filler makes much more sense from the Bulls point of view.
by ronmexibull on Jul 3, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not pointless when you factor in Bulls are going nowhere this year, may want to move up a few spots in the draft...
and have their sights on a certain SG named DWade next year
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll admit, doubtful though, I think the Bulls may be able to get better deals elsewhere
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers could toss in Claver and/or Freeland and/or picks to sweeten the pot
I don’t think Blake/Trout would require a TON more to land the captain, though. I’d rather just give up a pick or two (even a first next year) and keep the Euros. Toss Koponen in, by all means, if the Blazers don’t renounce his rights to sign Hedo. (The Finn is useless.)
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure
the Bulls would want Rudy, but I don’t think the Blazers would give him up for Hinrich as they would for Harris. Harris is younger and cheaper, signed for longer, and a better player than Hinrich, eventhough I think KP likes them both, and will try to trade for both.
If the Bulls really want to get Wade next year then they won’t want Rudy anyways, especially if the rumor about him complaining about PT is true, (I don’t believe it is) as he will just start complaining after Wade is brought in, (IF he is brought in).
I think the Blazers will have to give up a bit more than just Blake +salary cap relief like it was previously thought, but Blake + Outlaw, would allow the Bulls to move Salmons to the 2, play outlaw at the 4, and have a back up vet and the 1 and 2 in Blake. And with both Blake and Outlaw expiring next summer the Bulls will have the option to bring them back or not if they choose.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 3, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to wish life away, but I can't wait until we hit the end of July...
bc I feel by that time we’ll get to the point , we can be sure at 95% chance that whatever team we see on paper, will be the team going into next season
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running of da Bulls
Portland is not going to include Rudy in a Hinrich deal
Not. Gonna. Happen.
If you want the rights to Victor Claver, then let’s talk.
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chicago is looking to get under the cap in 2010, it might be enough.
Both of those contracts expire, and they take back less in salary than they give.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is what everyone under here has been talking about.
Gotta read more… :p
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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Blake AND Bayless go in a trade who will be backup PG?
And don’t say BRoy, ’cause they want him to play less minutes. Or at least not NEED to play so many minutes.
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by NoiseMekanik on Jul 3, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis + Rudy + Blake
For a good point guard.
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by pualo on Jul 3, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Those three have about equal salary to Devin Harris. I think NJ would consider that deal because Rudy is young and popular and will become a fan favorite, and Blake and Outlaw are both FA’s next offseason, which will make it easier for them to jump into the Lebron/Bosh/Wade race.
by shighkin on Jul 3, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NJ just traded VC for Courtney Lee and drafted Terrence Williams. Plus with CDR back they are pretty set on young wings. I’d give it a less than 1% chance of happening.
by danielfarrell on Jul 3, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some in NJ think
that Terrence Williams will be the PG of the future there.
by parkinglotj on Jul 3, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CDR or Williams
could easily be a part of the Harris deal, Portland would definitely need another guard if both Blake and Rudy were dealt
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus cash, picks, and a kiss, and maybe Bayless and that just MAY be able to get it done. New Jersey might not get a better deal for Harris if they want to move him.
by dario argento on Jul 3, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replace Rudy with Bayless. He is an off guard, doesn't make it that redundant.
Salary match?
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by TyboOSU on Jul 3, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum has got to go
Too many small forwards
- Webster is injured and untradeable
- Outlaw is the glue guy of the team and best friends with just about everyone
- Batum is just a rookie that was drafted in the 20’s, all Portland has to do to replace him is pay $3 million next draft to some cheap team and draft someone else
- Carl
by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Incorrect
You call up Houston and ask if they are interested in Webster. They like players with busted foots.
by Furious Styles on Jul 3, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well take Turkoglu off the poll. Once we sign him he’s ours until at least Dec.15th
by Cory2669 on Jul 3, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Hinrich....................
doubtful, BUT I JUST REMEMBERED DWYANE WADE’S HOMETOWNE IS…CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!
Which makes it even less likely they’ll want a lot o $$$ in the backcourt, Wade’s gotta be high on their FA List, #1 I’d say…
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Bulls want cap space in 2010. FAs will want to flock to Chicago.
Trout + Blake = cap space.
Starting at point guard for your 2009-2010 Portland Trailblazers, Kirk Hinrich.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago could get way under the cap
Via Storyteller’s contract info for the Summer of 2010:
Kirk Hinrick 9,000,000
Luol Deng 11,345,000
John Salmons (ETO) 5,808,000
Derrick Rose 5,546,160
Tyrus Thomas (QO) 6,236,806
Joakim Noah 3,128,536
James Johnson 1,428,000
Taj Gibson 931,400
1 round pick: ?
Total: 43,423,902 (+ cost of first round pick)
That alone is enough to add a near max player, but it’s close. However, if Chicago is a destination for free agents, they would certainly be interested in making more room.
Blake + Outlaw for Hinrich drops their total salary to 34,423,902 (+1 first rounder) in 2010.
Not extending the QO to Thomas drops their salary to 28,187,096 in 2010.
John Salmons may figure that he’s worth more than 5.8 million and opt out, dropping their salary to 22,379,096. (+1 rd.) That’s just enough to sign two max free agents to pair with Rose, Noah and Deng.
Find a way out from under Deng in 2010 and they have a mere 11 million (+1 rd.) in salary committed for the biggest free agent market in years. But this last step might be very difficult.
If this is their plan, Hinrich could very well be available right now. That, and in 2009, they field a fairly competitive team with Rose, Salmons, Deng, Thomas, Noah, Miller, Blake and Outlaw. Plus they have opportunity for their new draft picks to grow as well. I think it would work out well for both teams involved.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is also why they might be interested in signing Allen Iverson to a one year contract.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose, Wade, Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Noah...Salmons, Outlaw, ect. is a pretty nice core they'd be happy with
we might have to sweeten the pot some, but I’d still be SHOCKED if hinrich isn’t traded this year…dude, If I was the Bulls GM, I’d be trying to lose games bc until Wade or a FA signs, you might as well shoot for a higher draft pick…
getting rid of Hinrich would certainly help them lose games
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
question
is there any way we could could trade with nj for harris, but not have the trade include rudy? what about outlaw, blake, webster, and cunningham for harris? sorry if this is a stupid idea. just throwing it out there.
by ericking on Jul 3, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not happening with Rudy, either
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A deal can be made with NJ
that doesn’t include Rudy,
Blake, Outlaw, and Bayless + picks and cash works under the CBA. But who knows if NJ would do that deal, I think they might be interested myself, it gives them more cap room next year, and a good young PG on a rookie deal. It would depend on if they can get a better deal from someone else.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 3, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i would like that
as it’d instantly make our team much better for the next couple years. however, if we give up both blake and bayless, who would be our backup pg? mills? or would we just move rudy or roy over to pg when harris was out?
by ericking on Jul 3, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can get Harris, then WHOMEVER can be our backup. With Roy and Hedo able to handle the ball now, the need for true point guards is decreased.
by dario argento on Jul 3, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactomundo
bayless can now get more minutes because either Roy or Hedo can initiate the offense letting Bayless be unleashed. Ou rhtree ballhandlers last year were Blake, Roy and Sergio, this year you can subtract Sergio and add Hedo and let Bayless learn on the job without having fewer than 2 ball handlers on the floor at any one time.
by NWfan on Jul 3, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerryd will need to shoot the ball a whole lot better than he did last year
to get out on the court, next year
I expect to see a lot of Roy and Rudy in the backcourt, now that Hedo’s here
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the Nets trade Harris
unless Rudy is a part of the deal
even then it’s doubtful, but it’s still worth pursuing
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES! Make it so!
Get Patty mills some time at #3 PG. He can shoot from outside and be deadly if Blake gets hurt.
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by TyboOSU on Jul 3, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the millionth time: Harris is incredibly cheap, there is no way NJ trades him unless it's for Roy or maybe LMA
by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, this is true if 1 actually comes out of "dream land"
He will be a centerpiece for whatever FA they land
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and no
while that may be true, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t discuss alternatives. we could get a lopsided trade here. so again, it may not be probable, but it is possible. let’s just let kp work his magic and see what happens.
by ericking on Jul 3, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lopsided trades just don't happen to: good character, young, elite players, on good contracts
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*cough GASOL to LAKERS *cough
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by TyboOSU on Jul 3, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nork, i like asking you questions bc it seems like you have a brain, so...
U think Kirk is available still for Outlaw, Blake, & 3 mill, and draft sweetners?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In theory I think he still is available and both teams could benefit from it, although the BG trade really reduced that window.
And the Bulls rather need one more SG because Salmons is more of a forward. Hence all the talk of the Bulls fans about Rudy.
I would assume KP targets Miller in a sign & trade. Maybe Sessions, but it seems to be about veterans.
by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is too much to pay, I think
I don’t blame the Bulls fans for asking for him, but I doubt that deal would go through. Rudy was arguably better than Hinrich last year – and he’s certainly younger and more athletic, with more potential.
I say Blake/Trout/picks/Euros should do the trick.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing: The remaining deal could be for the backup PF in some trade or sign & trade
Although of course most fans feel PG is the more important thing to address, especially since Hedo can play most of the remaining minutes behind LMA with Pendi taking the rest.
by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Norsktroll,
U think Kirk is available still for Outlaw, Blake, & 3 mill, and draft sweetners?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible if Chicago wants to play in the free agent market next year.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read J Quick intimated in Hedo press conference, that there would be 1 more move at a position, and that "pg will not be our highest priority,"
seems like backup PF will be the move then
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely upsetting
Disasterous comment.
I have to give KP the benefit of the doubt and assume that the Bulls wouldn’t deal Hinrich without Rudy, if there’s no move at the point.
The reliance on Steve Blake for a team looking to contend NOW for a championship is staggering.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/07/hedo_turkoglu_agrees_to_join_t.html
Theres the link, but I agree, I wasn’t happy with that comment either…
Its so hard to tell if KP is just too high on Blake, or whether he’s just gun shy.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Turk and Roy doing most of the ball handling and creating
Blake’s 3-point shooting is a better fit than ever for this team. If we make a trade for a PG (Harris isn’t coming) he should be as good or better 3-point shooter than Blake and that limits the choices.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 3, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is a deadly shooter
He’s a “PG” like Derek Fisher
If Portland brings in another player, he will have to be able to shoot
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, Turk will play a lot of PF behind LMA and
also with LMA at center when Nate wants to go “small”. Turk could play 12 minutes at PF when LMA is resting, and maybe another 6 minutes with LMA at center. Then Turk plays about 18 minutes at SF, leaving 30 minutes for Batum (20 min) and Roy (10 min) at SF. That opens up 28-30 minutes for Rudy at SG.
PG – Blake/Bayless 40, Roy 8
SG – Roy 18, Rudy 30
SF – Turk 18, Batum 20, Roy 10
PF – LMA 30, Turk 18
C – Oden/Pryz 42, LMA 6
That’s 36 minutes each for Roy, LMA, and Turk, and 30 for Rudy. Oden gets as many minutes as he can stay on the floor. It’s a good 9-man rotation with time for Bayless and Batum to develop. If Martell comes back (I’m not sure he can) he can use Batum’s minutes to prove himself and establish his value prior to the Feb trade deadline. If we pick up a veteran PF in a trade that makes the standard rotation Turk’s increased time at SF would eat into Batum or Rudy’s time.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're cutting into Joel and Greg's minutes
And only Oden and Przybilla can cut into their own minutes, by fouling too much
There certainly shouldn’t be any ‘plan’ to play Greg/Joel only 42 mpg combined heading into any ballgame
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will have to see how it plays out
but it was my impression that Nate went to a smaller line up with LMA at center for about 5-6 minutes a game last year because he wanted a smaller unit on the floor, not just because of foul trouble. But if Oden improves (with better quickness) this year that may no longer be true. In that case Turk, Batum and Rudy (because he plays when Roy moves to SF) would be fighting over those 6 minutes in my estimate above. Not a big deal if those minutes are spread out about evenly.
I think a problem occurs if Rudy starts getting less than 28 minutes a game. I suspect that would be his discontent threshold next year. I would like to see Rudy another full year to see how he develops after last year’s introduction to the NBA. I expect improved defense because he is fairly quick and defense can be learned. I think he can also shoot a higher percentage on 3’s because he should get more open looks with Trout gone and Turk distributing. I would hope he can create his own shot better and knock down some mid-range jumpers, but that’s a lot more iffy. Ironically, if Rudy only improves his D and ups his 3-point shooting percentage a couple of points, he will probably stay a Blazer for his 3rd year, but if he also shows some moves off the dribble and a better midrange jump shot he may be too good to keep – i.e. he will not be happy as a 28-30 minute 6th man and we may have to trade him for a player that fits better because we won’t be able to get him the minutes he wants and he would become very valuable in a trade.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 3, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your missing some of B-Roy's minutes. You only have his minutes adding up to 26. Cut some PG minutes from Blake/Bayless maybe.
by tcwoods on Jul 3, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has him with 10 at SF as well… that makes 36
by danielfarrell on Jul 3, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we need a devin harris anymore?
Assuming we keep Hedo, it seems like getting a PG that is best creating off the dribble would add too many people who need the ball. Kirk is a good shooter and defender, which was the roll of the SF before we got Hedo. We need one of those types in our offense now more than another person creating off the drive. If we got Devin Harris we would have three of those plus LMA in the starting line up would be wasting talent. In that line up someone is bound to not be getting enough touches. If we can trade Trout and Blake for Kirk our bench is still bayless, rudy, batum/webster, pendergraph, joel. We would have to give up at least one or two of those to get a devin harris or rondo.
Now that we have Hedo, get Kirk
by lawgdawg12 on Jul 3, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those are the only two names that are worth mentioning, if they're gonna bring in a starting PG
At this point I think Nate/KP like Blake/Bayless, so this talk could be moot
And to get Rudy enough minutes, I think they are going to have to pair him up with Brandon in the backcourt, for at least 10 mpg
So, Travis may be moving for one more big man, somewhere in the 3.6 mil/year range
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by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like this. PLus cash+picks or rights maybe too.
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by TyboOSU on Jul 3, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade
Rudy, Steve, Travis and 1st rd. picks the next 2 yrs. for Devin Harris. Pendergraph at backup power forward and we’re set for a title run in 2009-2010.
by GregOden15ppg on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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