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Who's your "and 1"

Maybe a post like this has already been done, I'm sure some of this has been discussed on the main page and in the myriad of Hedo posts, but I thought it would be interesting to get the "and 1" ideas all together.

Assumption #1 - All this Hedo talk is not a smokescreen. KP would lose all credibility with agents and future free agents. We want him and will get him. He'd like a ring and he isn't going to get it in a Bosh-less Toronto.

Assumption #2 - The Hedo hate is largely a result of feeling that he's going to eat up all the cap space and we won't be able to fill other needs we see as more pressing. There may be other reasons for Hedo hate, but there are plenty of posts for that. This is not that post.

Assumption #3 - We might all like the Hedo move better if we thought something else is coming also.

So let's hear your ideas of how to get Hedo "and 1" or 2 or whatever complimentary move you would want to do if we sign Hedo. Try to keep things realistic. I suspect the strongest push will be a Blake & Outlaw for Hinrich. If that's the move explain why the Bulls would do that now that BG is a Piston. A salary dump is tough to buy. Convince me!

Here's my move... and it won't take anybody by surprise who has noticed the repetitive nature of my posts lately. Before you sign Hedo, convince Milwaukie that you are going to sign Ramon Sessions to a deal that they won't want to match. I think a MLE deal for 5 years (similar to the Ariza signing) or a 4 year deal that averages slightly over the MLE. If they are convinced, perhaps they would sign Ramon to a MLE deal and do a S&T for Outlaw. They lost Jefferson and CV, need scoring punch whether off the bench or starting at both forward positions. If they are not convinced we sign Sessions to an offer sheet. We still move Outlaw in this deal (S&T with the Bucks matching) or another deal (maybe for somebody's trade exception). It only eats up about $2M of our cap space. We rescind all rights to players except Claver. We have to convince Hedo to wait until the Sessions deal is sealed. Why would he wait? Because if Milwaukie matches the offer for Sessions we'll have the cap space to throw Hedo an extra $4-5M. After we land Sessions we still have $7.5M of cap space (I'm hoping, depending on the cap) to sign Hedo to a deal that averages close to $8.5M/year on a 5 year deal.

Why Sessions? This is the case I have made previously:

We need a PG to play decent defense and create high percentage shots for his teammates. If the guy can score that would be great! I don't care if he scores from the inside or the outside. All the talk of PGs needing to hit perimeter shots to space the floor is exhausting. We have other players on our roster that can punish a team if they pack it in too much. If a PG spaces the floor with perimeter shooting the benefit is creating easy shots for his teammates. If a PG creates easy shots for his teammates with penetration and pass... JUST AS GOOD! Put pressure on the defense and create opportunities. That is what we need.

It would also be nice to have a player who fits our window for a title run. Our window may or may not open next year, but whenever it opens it ought to be open for the next 8 years after that.

I like Hinrich. I love Devin Harris. If we can swing a trade that lands us one of these guys... Great! But we have no ability to get them if their teams don't offer them in trade to us. It is out of our control. Make the necessary phone calls KP, but in the end if the offers on the other end of the phone are terrible or non-existant, make a move that you don't have to have another GM sign off on. I know that technically to get Sessions, the Bucks GM would have to decide to let him go. My point is that signing him to the offer sheet is within our control.

If the Bucks decide to match the offer anyway...FINE!!! Then I don't care which of Blake, Miller or Kidd KP decides to settle for, but at least we made an offer to the one free agent that meets our needs and could be available. How does Miller or Kidd fit our needs better than Sessions? They have playoff experience. I guess that's something we need, but I like extending the window. If Bayless doesn't develop, we won't have cap space again.

So who is your "and 1"? Is this Hedo & Sessions option remotely realistic? Would Hedo go to Toronto if our deal starts at $7.5M and averages $8.5M?


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What does Hedo want?

$ or to win? He can win a title here, no way he’s going to win one anytime soon in Toronto. So if the $s close he may come here.

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by skywaker9 on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Hinrich is the ticket

Trout/Blake go out the door sometime soon after July 8, and Hinrich comes in. It’s been rumored, and it makes too much sense not to go down. The Bulls get two affordable pieces with expiring deals. They can either sign them or let them go and increase their cap space for the all important 2010 FA class (when Chicago figures to be a major player).

Meanwhile, the Blazers package one of their four competent SFs for a significant upgrade at the one. Suddenly, the Blazers have not one but THREE guys on the perimeter who can create off the dribble, work the pick and roll effectively, shoot from deep, and facilitate for each other. Still plenty of depth with Nic and Web backing up Turk (and ready to step in if he declines as he ages), Bayless and Rudy in the backcourt, and a couple young guys competing for the minutes at back up four.

As Cabalasian suggested in jscot’s recilicious post from the other day, the reason this trade hasn’t gone down yet is that it would eat into the Blazers cap space a little bit and lower the offer they could make to Hedo.

Love the line up possibilities with Hedo and Hinrich signing on. Championship contenders next year.

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by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

My "and1"

Eventhough I am not in favor of bringing Hedo here, it appears KP doesn’t agree with me, and it appears he also doesn’t seem to have an issue paying him close to $50 million over 5 years. ( I hope it is close to $40 million over 5 years) But if he does go with $50 million his salary will look something like this:

09-10 $8,550,000
10-11 $9,234,000
11-12 $9,972,720
12-13 $10,770,538
13-14 $11,632,181

Total $50,159,439
Avg per year $10,031,888

This would work if Portland renounces Reaf/shav/ruffin and all their exceptions. This is assuming the salary cap comes in above $58.6 million. If it comes in below that, then they will have to renounce one or more of the Euro’s, this is because with Hedo’s contracted added to the team the salary cap figure will be $58,532,722. So that means for any "and1"move we will need to match salaries with in 125%+ $100k.

To get Harris, if he is even available we would have to give up Blake+Outlaw to make the money work, and my guess is Bayless as well to give NJ a young PG prospect. Not sure a package of those 3 will get Harris, even adding future 1st round picks and cash might not get it done, but lets say it does as that is the best package we can give them. They get a young PG, + salary cap room next year, not a horrible trade, but the Blazers would be getting the best player in the deal.

That team would still need a back up pg, a cheap vet could be had if the salary cap comes in closer to $58.6 than $57.6, as that would give the team about $1.5 million more to play with if they renounce Freeland and Petteri. For the sake of arguement lets say they can clear about $1 million in salary cap space after signing Hedo that allows them to sign a vet point, (if he is in the league long enough it won’t matter as the vet minimum would be over that).

Harris $8,400,000/Vet PG $1,000,000
Roy $3,910,816/ Rudy $1165,320
Hedo $8,550,000/ Batum $1,118,760
LMA $5,844,827
Oden $5,361,240/ Joel $6,857,725

Players unsure to be in rotation
Webster $4,319,654
Miles $9,000,000
Pendergraph $850,000
Cunningham $850,000

Total salaries toward cap: $56,228,342

That is 12 players so two more spots to be filled, but the Harris trade if it included all 3 players would actually give us a little more cap room this summer, because the 3 salaries outgoing total $9,743,080, while Harris’s incoming salary is only $8,400,000, so that is about $1.3 million more in cap room to help sign that vet back up point or those last two spots. At any point, this team still won’t come close to the luxury tax line this coming season, and it would have a defind rotation, but be a little thin on quality, trusted, vet back ups. Maybe the Blazers could make an offer to a McDyess type player, pay him a little over the Vent minimum to come here.

As for minutes on this possible line up? Well the starters all deserve big minutes, but we also have 3 and maybe 4, (if webster is healthy) backups that deserve some play as well.

My best guess
Harris 34, Roy 10, Rudy 4
Roy 25, Rudy 20, Batum 3
Hedo 25, Batum 23
LMA 34, Hedo 10, Joel 4
Oden 30, Joel 18

If Webster heals fully then we will need to make another trade, because there is no room for him in the rotation.

I will put together a Hinrich post about this in just a few as well.

by usmcr3049 on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

outlaw/rudy/bayless for harris works as well

which to me is much more palatable to New jersey – they get talented young players on rookie deals. Plus, if Harris is our PG, Bayless is completely expendable, and Blake is a much better fit as a backup 3 point shooter and change of pace guy.

that said, Harris is not happening, as much as I’d love it to

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by douglast on Jul 3, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is a good point

I would rather keep Rudy, and give him close to 25-30 mins as the main back up guard on this team, but I would still make that trade if he had to be included.

by usmcr3049 on Jul 3, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the benefits of getting Turk

is that its DOES make Rudy a little more expendable (which is why it make Rudy made). So instead of seeing that as a negative (like 99% of us here on BE) I think we should see it as a positive. Whereas before we were shopping for a PG only thinking we could spend a TO and Blake (so Hinrich), now we can spend a Rudy and Blake or even a Rudy AND TO. So now we can go after a guy like Harris (who we would NOT have gotten for just table scraps like TO and Blake) with a much better trade chip like Rudy, in that way we are consolidating talent (two ok guys for one better guy) and getting more of an upgrade at PG!

So in Summary sign Hedo, and then try and get Harris (or another comparable young PG [read better than Hinrich]) for a package headlined by Rudy.

Go M's

by OBF on Jul 3, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Assumption #4 - Some SF(s) is (are) going to be traded

Assumption #5 – Webster can’t be traded unless he demonstrates in NBA games that he is healthy.

Corollary #1 to Assumption #5: If Webster is part of a deal, that deal will be made well into the season.

Assumption #6 – No way Bayless becomes another Blake.

Corollary #1 to Assumption #6 – A commitment to Bayless as the PG of the future means a commitment to a change in the style we play at PG.

Where does this thinking lead us?

Personally, I think it leads us away from a Hinrich-type guard towards a more dynamic player. I really like Andre Miller. Acquiring Miller would mean more turmoil in the lineup and on the offensive end and the rotation, but he is another guy who fills up the stat line and is a real baller. He can lead the way in mentoring Bayless (except that Miller is no shot doctor).

by LaoTzu on Jul 3, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Rudy+Outlaw+Blake is about even in salary with D.Harris, is it not?

by shighkin on Jul 3, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

The window opened last year...

Blazers were about 2 wins out of the 2 seed in the West, as I recall… They split with the World Champions 2-2 during the season. No more talk about theoretical eventual openings, the window is open NOW!!!!!

Our window may or may not open next year, but whenever it opens it ought to be open for the next 8 years after that.

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by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

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