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Friday Hedo Watch

10:42AM: ESPN Sportscenter's report: "Hedo Turkoglu, according to ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher, he and the Trail Blazers have been meeting and Hedo Turkoglu is still in Portland where the two sides are hammering out a deal." 

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11:17AM: Michael Grange of The Globe and Mail is reporting the Raptors are close to signing Shawn Marion to a 4 year and $34 million deal.  This would leave the Blazers as Hedo's only serious suitor. 

I think signing Marion, adding the likes of Kleiza and Delfino and maybe finding a way to keep Parker (long-shot; Real Madrid is coming hard) is the most direct route to 45+ wins. I'd like to see them find a really solid water-bug type as a back-up point guard too, but I don't think the money is going to line up.

But at some point Marion's going to have realize that the market really has shifted in a very short amount of time. If I'm him I take the Raptors money and be glad of it.

Doesn't sound like Hedo is in the cards for Toronto.  Hopefully, from the Blazers standpoint, this helps deflate Hedo's asking price a little bit.

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I am surprised but not shocked to wake up this morning and not find a report that KP sealed the deal with Hedo last night.  Are we in store for another quiet day of non-news?  Let's hope not. 

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Image via playerwives.com.

Ken Berger had this report late last night...

While the Portland Trail Blazers hosted Hedo Turkoglu for an elaborate free-agent visit Thursday, the team that could spoil the party was still plotting.

As of early Friday, the Toronto Raptors had yet to decide whether to trump the Blazers with an offer for the 30-year-old forward. Portland is offering a five-year deal for approximately $50 million. Toronto, which is believed to be the preferred choice of Turkoglu's wife, could beat that by about $800,000 per year once it clears cap space through trades or by renouncing its rights to free agents Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, and Carlos Delfino.    

Chris Broussard of ESPN sums up Toronto's situation perfectly...

It may seem like the Raptors are mere spectators in this free-agent circus, but they're quietly active behind the scenes. The team has had exploratory talks with several free agents, though they have yet to offer a contract to anyone. 

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Toronto has had similar talks (for different amounts of money) with several other players, including Linas Kleiza, David Lee and Hedo Turkoglu. Several league execs believe Turkoglu prefers to play in Toronto (because of its international character) instead of Portland, but it's not clear whether the Raptors will make an offer.

By renouncing Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino and waiving Quincy Douby, the Raptors could clear enough cap room to offer Turkoglu $56.5 million over five years. But that would force the Raptors to fill out their roster with minimum-salaried players, and they're worried about not having enough depth. So at present, they're leaning toward re-signing Marion and Delfino.

Once the Blazers make an offer to Turkoglu, the Raptors will decide whether to try and outbid them.

Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel talks with Orlando GM Otis Smith...

As far as Turkoglu is concerned, he is being given the full-court press by the Trail Blazers and visited Portland on Thursday. Reports say that the Blazers could offer Turk a five-year, $50-million contract. The Toronto Raptors are also said to be in play for Turkoglu, 30, a versatile small forward who played the past five seasons in Orlando.

Smith said the it would be "a long-shot to get something done" with Turkoglu, but added that he had spoken with Lon Babby, Turkoglu's agent, and they agreed to talk before Turkoglu accepted a contract proposal with any team.

"We had a conversation with Lon about where we would go when he comes back," Smith said. "We'll see if it makes more sense to us. We like Turk, there's no question about that. But we've said that it was a long-shot to get something done."    

Wendell Maxey writes...

Sounds like a return flight to Orlando may not be in the works - at least not until Saturday.

Until then, the Blazers plan on showing and telling Turkoglu millions of reasons why he should sign with the Blazers this offseason: 5 years for $50 million to be exact. Toronto is reportedly also interested in Hedo and should be able to offer him more financially. But the Blazers - who finished with 54 wins last season and made the playoffs - are in a better position to win right now, and while money will eventually determine the outcome of Turkoglu's destination, every player wants the chance to play for a winner.    

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Turkoglu said the sooner he can finalize a deal, the better it would be for him and his offseason preparation. And with guys like Ben Gordon (5 years, $55 million with Detroit), Artest (5 years, $33 million with the Lakers), Ariza (5 years, $33 million with Houston) already having handshake deals with their new respective teams, Hedo shouldn't be far behind with the Blazers expected to make their move in the coming days.

More Wendell Maxey on life after Hedo..

Even though Portland is basically bidding against themselves at this point, it appears this thing is already a done deal. Just need to extend an offer, agree on an amount and draw up the contracts (well, and wait until July 8 to make if official). Everything else is for the camera.

Once Hedo is locked-up though, where then do the Blazers turn their attention?

Dwight Jaynes writes...

This is a player who was a critical piece on a team that won the Eastern Conference championship. He was wanted back. He would have been paid well to come back. He was valued by his coaches and employed perfectly within the team's system to maximize his own talents. He was appreciated by fans and teammates alike and, in fact, had just gone through a long, long playoff march with those teammates. That team still has a lot of upside - and, in fact, he was part of building something special in Orlando.

But he has chosen to leave. For what? Really, I don't think you can say it's anything but money

Coup from Rip City Project writes...

Trevor Ariza will sign with the Houston Rockets, essentially completing the non-trade trade of Ron Artest-for-Ariza. That's one less small forward for Portland to worry about in their pursuit of Turkoglu, but it also might ramp up the competition from Toronto if they should desire.    

Mike Barrett steps up the sell job...

Odds are, Turkoglu is going to be wearing a Trail Blazers jersey next season. Don't tell KP's team that yet, as for them the selling will go on until Saturday. But, this is starting to look like it's going to be just a matter of time.

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 Turkoglu is the best option available. As we saw in the playoffs, this team needs not only a veteran presence, but needs a third scorer. It needs someone who can create their own shot, creative mismatches, handle the ball on the perimeter, and shoot with range. Mostly though, it needs another player who makes his teammates better.
Plain and simple, Turkoglu would make Greg Oden better. He'd take pressure off Brandon Roy, and his offense would result in more quality looks for LaMarcus Aldridge.    

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If you're looking for some big announcement from the Blazers on this you'll have to wait a few days, even if everything works out. Any word on an agreement being reached has to come from the player's side, until July 8th. 

John Canzano's twitter..

Bumped into Hedo last night downtown PDX... he looks/feels right at home. If we get word it will have to come from Turkoglu's camp.    

Wikipedia scooped everyone! Click to enlarge image.

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Michael Grange of the Globe and Mail writes...

(The floor for Turkoglu and Lee is a five-year deal starting at $10-million a season, while Ariza is hoping for something in the $8-million range as he tries to capitalize on his strong play during the NBA final.)

If they're going to get the money they want, their representatives need some competition for their services. That would explain the smoke signals that for the right money, all three would make their way north to Toronto. That in itself is a triumph of sorts, indicating that even though the Raptors struggled last season, their approach on and off the floor has gained traction across the league. They had a bad year, sure, but it's not a bad organization.

As always, drop links in the comments.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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fanfaraway is Hedo's wife??? i can't believe her!

Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!

by broyposse on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just remember kiddies

If you got $$$$$, hot women will like you, no matter how you look.

by Furious Styles on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

every NBA photo

of a player and his wife looks like an automatic submit to Hot Chicks With Douchebags. Except the players are usually dressed better…

by torridjoe on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently

You have not seen an image of Dirk’s ex-girlfriend yet.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think as long as Toronto has the option of going above the Blazers’ offer, we’re not going to hear news of Turkoglu signing with Portland. The minute Toronto signs anyone else, we’ll hear from Hedo’s agent. Of course, Toronto could get desperate. But that’s getting to be wishful thinking.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 3, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Toronto renounces the rights to four players

and offers Hedo $55 million, they deserve him. I still say Hedo at any price is better than no Hedo, especially with Ariza off the market and Artest in LA.

by GMan83201 on Jul 3, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When people say they have to renounce 4 players it’s a little deceiving. Those players are already free-agents. They have cap holds on them like we do on LaFrentz, Shav and Ruffin. We’d have to renounce Raef, Shav and Ruffin to sign Hedo… and maybe also Koponen and Freeland.

by danielfarrell on Jul 3, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ariza and artest have nothing to do with portland getting or not getting hedo.

ariza is duplication.

artest was never a target.

you are getting caught up on the small forward angle when really its the hedo angle.

they want him because of what he can bring offensively, not because of the position he plays.

by JohnCanzano on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you da real canzano?

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just reported by Ric Bucher on ESPN/Sportscenter

Hedo has left Portland, and they expect a deal with the Blazers to be announced in the next day or two.

To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum

by Ltlgto on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard that too...

but how accurate is that, since it is reported that Hedo is in Portland until Saturday?

by JasonT on Jul 3, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might have left

I don’t know why he’d stay in Portland for July 4th, he’ll miss out on the BBQ.

- Carl

by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True Dat'

The bigger shock was reporting that AI is interested in playing in Memphis.

To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum

by Ltlgto on Jul 3, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this legit??

Please tell me so…

Roy + Rudy + Hedo + Aldridge + Oden = Good luck defending that fool.

Overpaying?? It’s Paul Allen’s money. If he knows we’ll be way over the cap when locking up Roy, Aldridge, and Roy, and extending (over the years) everybody else that that’s up to him.

This is are one opportunity to get a quality free agent.

by JimmieG on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, except we’ve seen this movie already.

and it ends badly.

by JohnCanzano on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wow, if you're a canzano imitator

good job, you nailed both the “know it all” smug superiority and that stupid "breaking things up into individual sentences when they are part of the same thought and should really be separated by a comma if anything at all " thing.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm....

yeah, locking up Roy twice would really put us in a world of hurt.

by LicketyBrindle on Jul 3, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching sports center right now

and the report from Ric Bucher I heard said that Hedo is still in Portland and they’re hammering out the details.

It could be a few hours old though.

by JoeBlazer on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been to Toronto...

but for those of you who have traveled there, is it a much more international city than Portland? I’d imagine so, it being one of the fashion capitals of the world and more populated. If his wife is also Turkish or from another country, I could see why Toronto may be a more appealing city for his wife than Portland.

by JasonT on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Toronto is more a metropolitan and international city than Portland. But then again, its CANADA.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point.

I don’t think I can name one Canadian city that’s does not have an NHL team…

It’s CANADA.. HAHAHA

by JimmieG on Jul 3, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

reminds me of a joke

Why doesn’t Hamilton have an NHL team?

Because then Toronto would want one too!

(This is told mostly amongst Canadiens fans)

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Jul 3, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I don’t get that joke. Perhaps I don’t know where Hamilton is geographically situated at.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Jul 3, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moose Jaw

Flin Flon

Western hockey league teams

(and as Ed Whelan used to say)

“Fruit, I mean KAM-loops”

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toronto is way more cosmopolitan than NY, LA, Chicago, let alone Portland

Very lovely city. But snow is a 4 letter word, and they get plenty.

by jaywalker on Jul 3, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh the skyline of Toronto, is something you'll get on to

But they say you’ve got to live there for a while
And if you got the money
You can get yourself a honey
A written guarantee ta make you smile
But it’s snowin’ in the city
And the streets and brown and gritty
And I know there’s pretty girls all over town
But they never seem ta find me
And the one I left behind me
Is the reason that I’ll be Alberta bound

The one and only—Gordon Lightfoot

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toronto is a cess pool

I got stuck there on 9/11 and while everyone was really nice, that place is a horrid city. I would never return.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is much more international than Portland.

But then again, Portland is a much more cosmopolitan city than Sacramento, San Antonio, or Orlando (unless you’re into fake Disney-esque culture like Orlando).

They will be happy here. Euros love Toronto, but they love Portland as well.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is from Orlando's News today

Orlando GM Smith said the it would be “a long-shot to get something done” with Turkoglu, but added that he had spoken with Lon Babby, Turkoglu’s agent, and they agreed to talk before Turkoglu accepted a contract proposal with any team.

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So maybe

That is why it may be a day or two before the contract is announced with Portland. I don’t think Toronto will be in the picture honestly, and unless Orlando has some sort of sign and trade proposal then they aren’t a threat to this deal either.

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm coming to terms with the idea of getting Turkoglu.

I was dead set against it at first, but now that it’s becoming more and more of a reality, I have little choice but to accept it. It just seems like such a departure for the current Blazers management. I equate this to last call at a dark dingy bar. You look around, find the best looking mate you can find, and convince them to sleep with you, when in reality, she’s a 30 year old mother who eats too much pizza and is not attractive. You’d probably be better off going home and masturbating, but hell, it’s been awhile since you’ve gotten laid (or had a veteran presence to continue the parallel). You might end up with Herpes for 5 years, or you might have the ride of your life. Nobody knows.

by Arby on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

When you put it like that...

I would always choose to play with others than play by myself!

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

man that was gross… I hope we don’t end up with Turkish Herpes

by Cool Hand Roy on Jul 3, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo

I think chasing after Hedo isn’t smart, but at least they’re chasing after a guy who’s has good character and is a good team player. I’d hate to see them in a bidding war to go after some spoiled brat.

by lsjogren on Jul 3, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thats kind of why I was glad

to see us not making trades to get Rubio… his spoiled attitude just ruined him for me.

by Cool Hand Roy on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont blame Ricky one bit.

ever been to minnisota? too cold in the winter, too humid in the summer. too flat all year around. and with all of those lakes, they might as well call the mosquito their state bird.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like he's going to be living outside, and he'd be gone for most of the time

Playing for a city doesn’t mean you have to live there when you have free time.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True dat! I've been to Minnesota one time and what I remember of it is this:

Mosquitos and Leeches. I have never had so many mosquito bites in my life. I’m surprised I didn’t contract malaria.

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My opinion of Ricky was firmly entrenched long before he

was drafted by the Timberwolves. That being said, he moved up a TON in my book by going back to Spain. Hopefully he stays over there for the two years and matures. I’ll like him if he comes to the NBA a better player with a good attitude.

by Cool Hand Roy on Jul 3, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is abandoning a young team that was contending for a title just to go out and chase a little extra coin for yourself a team player?

by JohnCanzano on Jul 3, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opting out of a pre-existing contract

(one with an opt-out clause) is not “abandoning” anything. He figured, at the very least, he could improve the amount of money he got from Orlando. Seems reasonable to me. Orlando trading for Vince Carter is what changed everything.

by PoliSam on Jul 3, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Canzano "bumped into" Hedo Turkoglu?

What was he doing, chasing him around Portland? How does he just “bump into” people at opportune times?

"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder

by jamon51 on Jul 3, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I know.

I live in SD and I have never, ever bumped into any famous San Diego area athletes. Granted, Portland is a smaller town, but still.

by PoliSam on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bumped into some chargers in Cardiff, but I didn't know who they were

Then, I met a few at a part in La Jolla, but that was at a mansion on the bluff (farms road), so it’s pretty easy to understand why they were there. Not sure why I said that, I’m not as cool as my bumpings make me sound. I also bumped into Jeff Clark recently. That was slightly cooler.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably invited Hedo over to his house to

demonstrate the ‘supremacy’ of his Traeger (sp?) Grill and get him to go buy one.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

easy.

he fabricates everything he writes.

by JohnCanzano on Jul 3, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ben

are you trying to make enemies?

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a living

and his daughter will probably need braces, soon

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking too

No way in heck that was a coincidence.

- Carl

by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone tell me...

…why we can’t move Roy to PG, and Rudy to shooting guard? When people talk about Turkoglu being a Point Forward, does that mean he can bring the ball up the court, or does it mean the PG passes him the ball after bringing it up the court.

I don’t have a good read on how Roy feels about Rudy. Get a sense that he likes tough over flashy/creative.

I’d be bummed big time if we lose Rudy. I’d give up a few wins to watch entertaining, creative, bball. RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

-bb

by bbails on Jul 3, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We don't want Roy constantly guarding smaller quicker PGs.

That will wear him out and reduce his effectiveness on the offensive end.

by Arby on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha.

makes sense.

by bbails on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't the Blazers go with

Batum starting as the PG defender? He’s still their best perimeter defender and you can have Turkoglu guard the SF position. That way Rudy comes off the bench like he did last year and still retain his minutes. At the end of the game you still have the Roy/Rudy/Turk/LMA/Oden lineup.

by portlandpete on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why "chase after" smaller quicker point guards, anyway?

The basket is over this way—defend it.

That little guard is going to have to come near it at some point, sometime in the next 24 seconds

Pack the paint, use your length, and hope the other team doesn’t make 20+ three pointers. If they do, tip your hat to them.

Meanwhile, sick Greg Oden on their big men down at the other end…

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Help D off the penetration gets tough

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy chasing after a PG all game isnt what he want's

to do. Plus the guy’s body is no spring chicken. He’d be on the downside of his career by age 27!

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Star SGs moving to PG is never a good long-term strategy

Doug Collins made Jordan into a PG and he was incredible, but by the time the playoffs rolled around, it was just exhausting trying to initiate offense for everyone while scoring 30 points, while also defending the other team’s best perimeter player.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why Jordan was the man, though

If Roy can become like Jordan, we can win all the championships forever.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as I keep hearing lately (and find hard to disagree with)...

A player’s NBA position is determined primarily by who he can guard on defense.

So, the question is, can Roy or Rudy guard point guards regularly enough to pull this off? We’ll see.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 3, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing that is most perplexing

Is how all of the eggs are in the Hedo basket. Now Ariza and Artest are off the market so now there are no options for SF, so now it is a bidding war against ourself.

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Um

We do still have Batum, Webster, and Outlaw.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not for long if Hedo signs

To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum

by Ltlgto on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw's hit his potential IMO, hence, he's trade bait.

Batum and Webster are still going to improve barring any more injuries. Toronto signing Hedo would allow these two to flourish while saving Allen a bucket load of cashola.

Definitely wouldn’t break my heart.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw was probably gone in any case

He was going to be the obvious trade bait in any deal for a backup PG or PF.

Proud member of Duck nation!

by skywaker9 on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wendell Maxey is quoted as saying Artest signed for

33 mil over 5 years? I thought Ronron signed for 18 or 3.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The terms of the deal haven't been finalized

He can either sign for 18 over 3, or 33 over 5.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares

What Artest is doing?

by Eric9321 on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah gotcha. thanks for the clarification.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, gee, that's a lot better than the 10 mil/year chatter...

more reasonable, so we shall see. Personally, I hope he gets a better deal elsewhwere, but whatever….

by Berkeley on Jul 3, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN is reporting that the deal is near finalized

Just heard it on SC.

Proud member of Duck nation!

by skywaker9 on Jul 3, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN also reported

that rudy didnt want to play with hedo

bayless leaves over my dead body

by thomasikehara on Jul 3, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy probably feeling rather ripped off by the NBA "rookie" contract

Having to watch a player he doesn’t regard as more valuable come in for way more $.
Rudy showed a committment to the Blazers, would kind of like to see some reciprocation, perhaps.
If it happens, maybe other guys traded out, presumably for point guard, plus some reassurance will patch things over.

by Berkeley on Jul 3, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rudy understands his time is coming

He just wants to make sure he has the chance to show what he’s worth. He’ll get paid in his next contract.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

has anyone noticed

how John Canzano seems to bump into the right people at the right time all over place all the friggin time.

Am I missing something. Is he full of Crap, or does he have a network of spies in this city?

by BatumRaider on Jul 3, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Blazers pay his salary

At least in part, remember. He just has good connections.

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by skywaker9 on Jul 3, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Canzano

Canzano is the the Forrest Gump of all that things that are Trailblazers related.

by Balian on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ad Hominem

Forrest Gump isn’t a #&*%#@, he’s just slow. Canzano is more like a parasite. He’s the Kato Kaelin of all things that are Trailblazers.

- Carl

by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't we replace Blake

with Hedo in the starting lineup? If we have two guys who can handle the ball (Roy/Hedo) what does Blake bring to the table. Blake finally gets moved to the backup position that everyone thinks he really should be in.

Granted, you’re still slower, but you still have Batum/Aldridge/Roy to finish the break, or have Roy/Hedo/Batum as trailers for the 3. Hedo or Roy can run the break when it’s there. Though Roy is super-conservative in that regard, when it is obviously available he has no problem speeding it up the court.

by portlandpete on Jul 3, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bringing the ball up will be tough for Roy and Hedo

any team would welcome the opportunity to full court press and wear them out before they’re in range for offense. We need some to bring the ball up. I know it sounds like a small deal, but over the course of a game this would be huge. It’s like working the body in boxing. Individually, those punches don’t appear to hurt, but after a while, they break down the boxers stamina and he’s unable to block, dodge or punch with any effectiveness.

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by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blake's role

Will be to shoot the corner 3. Which he did at one of the highest per-possession-efficiency rates in the NBA last year

Replacing Blake with MIller or Sessions would actually be a PG downgrade, in this area

The acquisition or Turk, if it happens, has to change the whole dynamic of what the Blazers should be looking at, at the PG position. Outside shooting (to spead the defense) should be the premium, not another penetrator who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Two is enough

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point

wasn’t that Blake wouldn’t be the PG1, just that our PG1 wouldn’t be on the floor at the start of the game. I agree that I don’t think we need a change at PG if this is what happens.

by portlandpete on Jul 3, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does signing Hedo make the Blazers a better fast breaking team?

You make it sound like that should be one of their goals…

More easy baskets? Yes, Hedo will help Greg Oden find those

But Turk’s not going to rush Brandon Roy into doing anything too hasty

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure it does

but Hedo can lead a fastbreak, so there is that option.

Plus, if we have a early 2nd quarter lineup of Bayless/Rudy/Batum/LMA, we darn well better be pushing the tempo with that group.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 3, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Hedo's wife join him in Portland?

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

She's probably scouting out real estate

In Toronto ;^)

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did your fingers slip? I thought you meant “Lake Oswego”… :)

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please, please Toronto outbid us for this guy

He’s already in decline. Check his stats. Might be the pizza.

Hey, I like pizza too. But I’m not paid millions to be a productive basketball player.

by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've really been straddling the fence on this Turkoglu thing.

Primarily I want to check out all the bandwagons before throwing my considerable flightiness behind one of them. I’m still undecided and my crotch hurts.

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Jul 3, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so the people who are against

Hedo coming to Portland, is your main issue with it the salary he will be getting?

by bustabucket on Jul 3, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

isnt it, spend it or loose it

and hedo doesnt make us a any worse team, we just add to the win column

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 3, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

salary and the number of years he'll be getting it

To be honest, I think he was fairly paid in Orlando.

by Furious Styles on Jul 3, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

post updated. looks like toronto will sign marion… hedo to blazers would seem to have a totally clear path

by Ben. on Jul 3, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are we really bidding?

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 3, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it looks like Hedo will definitely be a blazer next year.

The more I think about it, I think it is a good move. This off-season was our only chance to land a marquee FA, and Hedo was the best available. We still don’t know what other moves KP has in mind. And obviously he is not done, as there is a ridiculous logjam at the 3 now.

I’m just imagining the side pick and roll and Hedo feeding Greg for easy buckets next year. It could be a beautiful thing.

by dario argento on Jul 3, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NBA China or another Hedo expert around?

I’d really like to know if H*DO can bring the ball up on offense to initiate if he’s in a tough playoff series…

I"d really like to see a lineup of 1.) Roy 2.) Batum 3.) Hedo 4.) LMA 5.) Oden… where Batum guards the other teams PG, or in the case of the Lakers, I think Roy could guard “pg” while Batum goes after Kobe…

I’d like an honest appraisal of whether Hedo could really run the whole show offensively though, or whether he could get rattled if Fish or Artest goes full court press on him…

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

?

Batum at SG? ew

by TrailBlazerChief on Jul 3, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our whole offense will be changing next year with Hedos skills...

Roy would hopefully still be our SG on offense, it would be a non-traditional offense, but better than our offense in the playoffs than last year, and the “D” would be improved as well…

Its really not that different than Denver playing that small, defensive minded SG they have, or Courtney Lee with the Magic, only I’d argue Batum is an improvement

Its not “classical,” but most observers I think would acknowledge it’d work, and would have the potential to even flourish

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 3, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if H*DO can bring the ball up on offense to initiate if he’s in a tough playoff series

C’mon! Didn’t you watch the Magic in the playoffs? (sorry to go all Dwight Jaynes on you)

Yes, Hedo can bring the ball upcourt against pressure. He did it quite a bit after Jameer Nelson went down. Turk reminds me of Earvin Johnson, back in the day. Magic would turn his body sideways, use his shoulder to rock his defender back and crab-dribble his way into the halfcourt location where he needed to go. All the while his eyes were on the other players, waiting for a teammate to come free. Hedo can do that for the Blazer next year, and enable Roy and Rudy to play “together” in the backcourt

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BATTLELINES

The battlelines have been drawn in the West! Portland has to make a move on Hedo because he has experience in the West, he knows the caliber of competition, he’s a veteran, and he is hungry for a ring. L.A. has made their move, its time for the Blazers to step up and put themselves in a Western Conferance Final position.

by kobg on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hedo a blazer

I think it will work out great in the end. just relax and let KP do his job blazer fans. thats why your not the GM

by asimms21 on Jul 3, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

True

but I have the right to disagree with this whole-heartedly and I want to hear KP’s justification for a 5-year deal.

by sPresley on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Toronto

out of the running, why are we paying a role player 50 million to play a position we’re stacked at.

by sPresley on Jul 3, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm scared

Someone hold me.

I like Hedo, but I fear he’s going to be really, really bad in 3 years let alone 5.

by jksnake99 on Jul 3, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

we´re winning the title next season.

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but I hope

the 5th year has a team option

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's like one of those creepy guys

Who rubs his crotch on people in crowded settings.

- Carl

by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I look at it this way...

if he helps Greg develop into the stud that he helped Dwight develop into, it’s worth every frickin’ penny Paul Allen will be paying him.

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really hope at the end of the day that we can pull our roster together for next season without having to give up Batum and Bayless. That would be awesome.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 3, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing is for sure

Hedo is really going to help improve Portland’s pick and roll defense.

- Carl

by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

KGW is now reporting that Turkoglu is definitely NOT signing with Portland

Joe Becker sites “a reliable source”, he says KP is unavailable for comment…………

by blzrfan1938 on Jul 3, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What Hedo TRULY desires

When Robert Horry shot a killer three against Sacramento… Hedo basically did nothing.
When Derek Fisher hit 0.4 against San Antonio… Hedo was much more vocal and much more active in his role as a player.
When Derek Fisher his those huge threes against Orlando… Hedo was the Most Improved player or Orlando’s fourth quarter stud.
(If you youtube those videos) he was there ON the court every single time)
However, every single time.. his role and importance to the team has increased.

Staying at Orlando behind Dwight, Jameer and Vince? With Rashard being clutch as well? He’s just one of five.
Going to Portland… he’ll be behind Brandon Roy, Lamarcus and possibly Greg Oden.
However… at Toronto? He will be number two behind Chris Bosh… and during the fourth quarter… probably the man.

Considering the fact that this is not the first time he has backed out of a deal… it is obvious that Hedo knows how to be in the best position to better his stats and better his skills by putting himself in situations where his skills can develop and where he can get the attention he has desired.

Okay, the argument can be also said that behind every great man is a great woman. So… Hedo’s wife (who followed him around the world and around the league probably used the argument of I deserve to go where I want… because I have given all what you want. Plus Toronto is much more beautiful than Portland and much more appealing to a European like Banu than the rainy city of Portland.

Ben Dizon

by SimpleTruth on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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