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The NBA has it figured out

For all you baseball fans you probably saw the the phillies traded for cliff lee, a tremendous pitcher for the indians and last seasons cy young winner. The minute I saw this the first thing that came to mind was, "this would never happen in the NBA" and when you think about it, the NBA clearly has the best salary cap and system for trading and signing players, they make it easy enough to build a good team, but require good drafting and smart contracts, but still contracts that keep a player on a team for a few years (hello NFL) but contracts that don't get too ridiculous (hello any steriod user in 2002). 

Hence why I love the NBA, I hate how the yankees can keep the competition level down by taking players like cc sabathia from smaller bad teams. In the NBA cc sabathia, or in other words, al jefferson, would stay on that team for a while, maybe getting them to the playoffs. In baseball teams can spend and spend, and coose to never spend and not loose any money. the cheap teams still profit because people go to baseball games, they just do. I also hate how baseball drafting is above most people's heads and still pretty random, the NBA draft is as entertaining as a NLCS. 

For football, I don't like the instability, one season your team dominates, the next their in the gutter, your players get old fast and the teams trade or release them even faster. Brandon Roy would be our running back, he'd be good for 5 years, have 2 more deccent seasons and then be burnt out. And the NFL draft, while prett fun, makes bad teams pay huge money to get the top picks, while the NBA makes sure guys to don't get payed what they don't deserve, imagine Darko netting a 66 mil contract as a rookie. 

Anyway, just wanted to vent on the various flaws of baseball which is boring, money driven, and lame, and football which changes too quickley, treates their players like trash, and gives alex smith enough money to bailout General Motors. NBA all the way

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I actually like the hard NFL salary cap, as it creates parody among all the teams.

I agree that the NBA system is best though. By the way you may want to fix that S-bomb in your post. A mod is sure to notice it.

by dario argento on Jul 29, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Un-intentionly funny

Parody v. Parity

"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me

by 92wastheyear on Jul 29, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha ha.

I sort of like the NBA system. Football’s ends up in the players getting screwed. Baseball is a bad joke, I don’t even watch it.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 29, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like football's non-guaranteed contracts though...

There is no reason some of these guys should be getting paid what they are when they don’t actually perform.

by Escrote on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the NBA system is one of the worst

I hate how Darius Miles is on our cap, but he is not playing with us, he probably wont even play in the league this year! NBA is an awful system, that has a lot of stupid rules like the luxury tax going down! What idiot came up with that idea? How about the luxury tax goes up when the cap goes up, and but remains at the same level if the cap goes down? Is that not a good, and fair idea? That way we dont see a bunch of BS trades like with Carter and Jefferson. Also trading in the NBA sucks, you never see trades made based on talent, 90% are based on matching salaries alone. (Like Jefferson and Carter)

I love baseballs system a lot better then the NBA. I think what seperates it is the minor league system. Its fun following ur team and also following ur prospects, it also makes it better for trading. Look at the Phils, they just got Cliff Lee and they didnt trade a single one of there major league players. The down side is that many smaller market teams do have to trade there good players eventually becasue there price gets too high. But is it really any diffrent then the NBA? If it werent for Paul Allen we would be in a similar situation in a couple years where we would have to give up some of our talent.

Both are flawed, but I think MLB is superior even though it has no cap (revenue sharing evens the playing field to a point). I could care less about football, mainly because they could care less about me, the fan.

by ggassen85 on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The the Blazers were an MLB team they'd be cellar dwellers

Forever.

Here’s the top 7 teams in baseball right now and their ranking as population centers.

LAD #2
NYY #1
LAA #2
Philly #4
Boston #7
Texas #6

WOW what do you know! The top 6 teams are almost exactly the top 6 markets.

That’s just great. Thanks… but no thanks.

by levelhed on Jul 29, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Cuban: Yes Paul Allen: No

The average payroll of those teams I listed is $120M. Thinking we can find an owner who would even consider competing with those numbers is a fantasy.

by levelhed on Jul 29, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allen would be a big owner in baseball

he would probably be the guy shelling out those huge contracts, which would be fun for us. I just feel like teams in baseball have the most obstacles to go from worst to best, in the NFL it happens, in the NBA is takes a few years (not counting the clippers). the pirates and the d-rays were bad for 20 years straight, bad teams like memphis and OKC have made the playoffs in recent memory.

by StocktonNEP on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, there IS a huge difference between MLB and NBA.

If you’re a true Blazer fan, you’d HATE to have the NBA set up anything like the MLB. If the NBA were setup like the MLB, the Lakers or Knicks would be winning every single year (assuming competent management).

The advantages of having a farm system have little to do with the cap system currently in place.

If you’re going to make the argument that trades in the NBA aren’t based on talent, how can you possible love the idea of Cliff Lee getting traded for a few minor leaguers? How is this any different? One team is in rebuilding mode (or perpetual crap mode in the Indian’s case) while the other is a title contender. Again.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB's leadership is why people hate baseball.

When the owners run things and set up a puppet in the commissioners’ office, baseball goes downhill. Someone who really loves baseball (Bob Costas) should be the commissioner. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A puppet, indeed!

That’s when I started bailing on MLB; when Selig’s fellow owners installed him as Commissioner so that no one with any objectivity would be standing in their way anymore. All of baseball’s subsequent bad press be traced to that monumental act of cynicism. As tiresome as I can find the NBA’s front office, they look like pillars of integrity compared to their counterparts in baseball.

by Modal Rounder on Jul 29, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

umm....did you see the Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson trades?

The Bucks and Nets got zero talent in return, this happens a lot in the NBA where teams make trades for slary cap relief instead of talent. At least in the Cliff Lee deal the Indians got players that could possible produce for them at the major league level.

by ggassen85 on Jul 30, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Courtney Lee

was the starting shooting guard for much of the season for the eventual Eastern Conference champs as a rookie. By any statistical measurement he was more productive than Bayless. You think Lee’s not a talent? I strongly disagree.

The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.

by BlazersOrBust on Jul 30, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

equal to Vince Carter?

Not in any way. Dont forget the Nets also traded Ryan Anderson who was drafted just one spot ahead of Lee.

by ggassen85 on Jul 30, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only change needed is some kind of fans union.

Make the CBA agreement a three way deal. Right now fans get no direct say. If there was a strong consumer involvement, we’d see salaries and ticket prices cut in half.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this idea a lot

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why salaries?

What do you care how much a player is paid?

A few links that might clear this up:

Great Book
General Concepts
Another Great Book
A good flip “If owners could pay less would they reduce the ticket prices?”

Argh! I know!

"The cake was a lie..." -blazeraddict

by TheOdenator on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you cut prices, you'll have to cut salaries because there will be less money.

Or else build enormous stadiums, but that’s not realistic.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well its not like teams make money right now.

And that hasn’t limited salaries. There’s no reason for owner’s to cut salaries, they’re trying to make as much money as possible.

The owners best interest is every seat in the house but one is filled. That means that they made as much money as possible, by getting every single person who was willing to pay at that amount into the arena, and did not under-charge their customers (otherwise the place would be full).

So owner’s are going to charge as much as they think they feasibly can, regardless of how much they are paying the actual people on the court.

Argh! I know!

"The cake was a lie..." -blazeraddict

by TheOdenator on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the best way to get someone to lower their prices is to boycott their product (just don't buy it).

but as you can see in Portland, enough people are fine with it the prices, that they are willing to “cross picket lines” and sell out the garden.

Argh! I know!

"The cake was a lie..." -blazeraddict

by TheOdenator on Jul 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are no picket lines.

Boycotting hardly ever works, because there is no organization encompassing all consumers. Individual action isn’t effective. Smaller players (employees, consumers) will never be able to make good bargains with larger players (big corporations, the NBA) unless they bargain collectively.

If all NBA fans could vote whether to go on strike to reduce prices, would the vote pass? I don’t know. If it did pass, would there be enough “scabs” to fill arenas? I don’t know. But there’s a chance that it could work. Of course, there is no prospect of any fan organization emerging, so it won’t happen.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jul 29, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Astute.

I don’t find entertainment prices to be very important to me (enough to cause collective action) but you are absolutely right, in my opinion.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 29, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah Darko

man was I wrong about him.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it is kind of funny

that this is the second strait year the the indians have traded away the reining cy young winner

bayless leaves over my dead body

by thomasikehara on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

REC for the topic

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 29, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

for all the limitations the NBA has on trades

they have the least parity of all the major leagues. people kill baseball as a sport where only big markets win but it is in fact the nba where this trend is most prevalent.

28 of the last 30 finals have been won by 6 teams.

la: 9 (7 post cap)
chicago: 6
boston: 4 (2 post cap)
san antonio: 4
detroit: 3
houston: 2

admittedly 5 of those finals were pre salary cap but even if you take those out. the number you get is 6 teams winning 22 of the last 25 finals.

in the last 30 years 18 different teams have won the world series despite there never being even a soft salary cap.

football for all it’s boasting about it’s “parity” shows a trend much more similar to the nba than baseball.

for instance, only 2 teams in its history won 3 of 4 superbowls and one of them was in the salary cap era (new england). new england also has the only 16 and 0 season in history also under the salary cap.

indianapolis is the only team in history to have 5 seasons of 11 wins or more ( all in the salary cap era ). pittsburgh, indy & new england account for 7 of the last 10 afc appearances in the superbowl and 6 of the last 10 superbowl victories. all of this occured under the salary cap.

while the nfc has shown more parity overall the eagles have played in half of the conference games over the last 10 years.

while i wouldn’t advocate changing the rules in the nba to make trading easier if the desired effect of these restrictions was to create more parity and give more teams a shot at the title, the rules have been a total failure.

moreover baseball for all it gets bagged on for being only about new york and boston has spread the championship love more evenly than the other major sports in recent history.

by colinmarsh on Jul 29, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball has the most parity in the end though

The harder the cap, the less parity their really seems to be. The NFL is really hard to watch because no teams are truly far above average. There is no excellence. A great coach like Belichik can win every year because coaching is the only place you can accumulate talent in the NFL. Only the same few teams seem to dominate year in and year out. Who cares of small market teams are in the playoff hunt more often if they really don’t have a chance to win.

The NBA is better than the NFL but still, only a handful of teams ever win the title. It’s the same teams challenging for the title pretty much since 1960. Boston, LA, Chicago had their run, Houston, Spurs recently, and Detroit for 20 years. Who else has really been there?

MLB, for all its flaws, has different teams winning the title almost every year. The great thing about MLB is that if you get in the playoffs, anything can happen because in baseball and hockey, the best team rarely wins; the hot team wins. MLB has had so many different teams in the WS lately I can’t even name them all.

MLB in my opinion takes way too much heat because the results clearly state that MLB has the most true parity measured by different champions over the last two decades or more. You can’t buy championships and the Yankees, Baltimore, the Mets, and the Red Sox prove that every year.

by jwc94 on Jul 29, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you

I couldn’t of said it better

by ggassen85 on Jul 30, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a fair point, but

I wouldn’t include the Red Sox on that list considering their two recent championships. Plus the Yankees did go to the WS 6 times in an 8 year span from ’96 to ’03, and won it 4 of those times.

Oh my god, I can’t believe I just defended the Yankees…

by BOSAKI on Jul 30, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLE favors the successful teams

Considering that just about every team is over the cap during free agency, teams are on an equal footing in being able to offer the mid level exception. If you get the MLE from the Spurs or the Clippers you pick the Spurs. This keeps the best players with the best teams.

I do like the rookie structured contracts. NFL top picks instantly become some of the top payed players and MLB picks don’t even reach an agreement with their team sometimes.

by IsiahRiderLivedOnMyStreet on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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