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The André Miller Signing: The View from Philadelphia

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Forgive the purple-and-gold logo, I just felt like taking a spin around the neighborhood to keep the carbon off the plugs. This summer is too damned long (especially this week, when we get a little taste of the Las Vegas sun in Oregon, sans all the air conditioning).

Anywho...

We've all been hearing lots of little snippets about the acquisition of 6'2" Point Guard André Miller, mostly from the Blazer side. Nate is happiest, for sure, he's found a Point Guard Coaching Buddy of the first magnitude and finally has somebody to watch crappy 1980s sitcoms with him in the locker room.

And KP is really happy, because the tornado-laced-hurricane-tsunami-typhoon of unmet fan expectations (a [expletive deleted]storm of his own creation) has magically gone bye-bye with a couple strokes of the pen. And Nate isn't pissed at him for dumping more kids on his head anymore.

And the Portland fans are happy, almost all of them, because Mom's 2003 Camry has been replaced with a far more sporty model — something of a classic of yesteryear, sure, but well-maintained, extremely durable, and with a V-8 engine that promises to go-go-go on the open road. Yaay.

But what are our friends in Philly making of all this? Are they happy to see an overrated bag of bones hit the road to Unrestricted Free Agent senility in the West? Or are they sad to see the loss of a playmaker and team leader?

Let's find out after the jump...

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Sixers, Andre Miller Were Not on the Same Page

by Phil Jasner, Philadelphia Daily News

In retrospect, Andre Miller was all but gone the day last season ended.

Given the current stance of 76ers president/general manager Ed Stefanski, that would appear to be the case.

Miller, an unrestricted free agent, signed a 3-year contract Friday with the Portland Trail Blazers that could be worth as much as $21 million. By all accounts, the first 2 years are guaranteed at about $14 million, with the Blazers holding an option on the third year.

This was the reality: The Sixers were not offering more than 1 year at the NBA midlevel exception of roughly $5.8 million. Miller and agent Andy Miller were insisting on significantly more money and 3 years. Neither side showed any inclination to change.

The Blazers' reality: They are coming off a 54-victory season and feel Miller's experience and point-guard skills could help their young players improve and ultimately go deeper in the playoffs.

The Sixers' reality: Miller could have meant a handful of additional victories in the coming season, but his presence would have further delayed the development of Lou Williams, starting his fifth season, and first-round draft choice Jrue Holiday. * * *

"We wish Andre the best," Stefanski said after a busy week in which he watched Andre Iguodala and Thaddeus Young practice in the U.S. National Team minicamp in Las Vegas, then jetted back in time for Saturday's annual Beach Bash in Avalon. "We've moved on. The opportunity is there now for Lou to excel, and we think he will. He's been grooming himself for this for 4 years. At the same time, we'll see what the learning curve is for Holiday." * * *

 

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Miller Says Sixers' Offer Wasn't Fair

by Tom Moore, Burlington County Times

* * *

"Do I think it's a fair offer?" said Miller in a conference call Friday night. "No, I don't. I can't blame that on the organization. I think it was all due to the economy. It was a tough situation. They had to figure out what direction they're going to go in."

In 2 2/3 seasons with the Sixers, Miller never missed a game at point guard and helped the Sixers to consecutive playoff appearances. His consecutive-game streak of 530 is the longest among active NBA players.

"I accomplished my goals there - to help the players and team get better and get to the playoffs," said Miller, who claimed he never had any contact with team president Ed Stefanski "throughout the summer."

 

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Is Having Andre Miller a Good Thing?

posted by "Phillysportspulse" to Liberty Ballers (SBN)

Is having Andre Miller leave a good thing? Lou Williams will now have his chance to be the man at the point. Not having Miller will also force the rookie [Jrue] Holiday into a playing role. We will finally get to see what Lou has and if the rookie has any talent.

Does this train of thought lead to more of what we have seen in the last few years, a team that can only dream to get into the 5th seed of the playoffs?

We shall see...

 

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Rumors, Notes, and Tweets

by Philadunkia (True Hoop)

* * *
Most of the rumors involve who will play point guard for the Sixers in 2009-10 or at least who will back up Louis Williams. One name we are not hearing that we'd like to see given some attention is former UConn star and current NBA disappointment Marcus Williams who just got finished tearing up the NBA Summer League. Also we are not hearing Ramon Sessions name connected with rumors surrounding the Sixers and that's very disappointing as well. * * *

Former Sixer point man Eric Snow interviewed former Sixer shooting guard Allen Iverson on NBA TV. Right now we'd take either one at point tomorrow over the Sixers current situation. * * *

 

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Sixers Searching for a Veteran Point Guard

by SixerBlogger, Philadelphia 76ers Blog.com

Recently waived Jamaal Tinsley may be considered by the Sixers to fill the void for the much needed point guard position. Tinsley who has talent but has a history of being injury prone and getting into trouble, will be looking to revive his career as the Indiana Pacers were more than happy to get rid of him.

Nothing is confirmed that the Sixers will pursue Tinsley but it appears their options are Tinsley and C.J. Watson.

 

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Miller Time No More in Philly

by Rando, Sixers Journal

* * *
Go ahead Andre. It sounds like a good deal for ya. Portland has some amazing talent, but was sorely lacking in point guard experience. No disrespect to Jeff Blake ... the former University of Maryland graduate has down well with the limited skills he has, but he lacks the veteran savvy that Miller has.

I have a great appreciation for Andre after watching him play here. Like many I mistook his quiet demeanor for a lack of intensity. But I learned to appreciate the adroit passing skills, the high basketball IQ, the heart that he possesses. He has put on some spectacular shows in a Sixers uniform.

I will miss him, but I'm happy he is gone. Because of his unbelievable streak of consecutive games played ( 500+ games) there is little time for other guards to play the point. And his pride and will to win were so large that he would force things. Try to take over games when the Sixers needed it. * * *

 

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Surprising

posted by "Boulder Eagle" to PhilaPhans message board

Surprising. You'd have thought they would have done this sooner. It was looking like he was going to have to settle for very little.

Better in Portland than in NY. Sorry to see him go; he added a lot these past few years. God help us all with Sweet Lou at the point....

 

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Stefanski = FAIL

posted by "PhilsFanSince79" to PhilaPhans message board

So they lose an asset and get nothing in return. Great management by Stefanski considering he had his entire tenure here as GM to make a decision on the Miller situation.

The roster the day they fired Billy King would beat the current roster Stefanski has put together. This guy has been a huge failure.

 

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The Problem: Dalembert Immovable

posted by "Salvistine24" to PhilaPhans message board

I also think that the Sixers game plan to start the offseason was to sign or trade for a veteran PG but that was contingent on them trading Dalembert. The problem was the team really thought someone would bite on sammy but no one will. His contract is immovable.

Also, there was no shot of Miller coming back from the middle of the season; the team wanted to move on but didnt trade him at the deadline because they thought getting to the playoffs again would drive up season tickets for this year. The feeling was that if the fans saw the team go back to the postseason for a 2nd consecutive year, the fans would begin to believe this team has a chance for 2009-10 (which obviously didnt happen).

 

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Old Point Guards

posted by "Old School 76" to PhilaPhans message board

Nobody was beating down the door to take Miller at the trade deadline either. Especially when they knew they could get him for nothing after the season ended. Like many, I thought Miller would be at least a lukewarm (if not a hot) commodity, and teams just weren't as interested as I thought they'd be. I'm having a problem seeing where that's anybody's fault.

Jason Kidd didn't even get many suitors. Both are looked upon as old PGs, but Kidd has a better resume.

As for saving money, with the cap going down next year, every team is being very cautious about what they do. Not just the Sixers. It wouldn't make much sense for this team to get anywhere near the luxury tax with a team who obviously has no chance at winning the East, let alone a championship. I don't even think we stand a chance to win the division.

In this case, I think they did the right thing.

 

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A Golden Oldie from June 21st for Comedic Effect for Those of You Still Paying Attention

Por-Phi Trade

posted by "Walbelbm" to ESPN.com's 76ers message board

Miller (Sign and Trade), Dalembert, Thad Young

for

Blake, Outlaw, Rudy, Przybilla

Here's how I see it value wise

Miller = Blake + Outlaw

Przybilla > Dalembert (similar production, Joel costs less)

Thad > Rudy (but at the same time, helps both teams because Iggy and Thad are both natural SF's)

 

The Bottom Line:

1. Good bye, André, hail fellow well met.

2. The departure is no surprise, what is surprising is that our Sixers got nothing for the expiring contract they were shopping at the deadline.

3. Howzabout a little planning for this year's PG situation, Stefanski, ya bum!!!

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quote of the night:

“No disrespect to Jeff Blake [lol] … the former University of Maryland graduate has down [sic] well with the limited skills he has, but he lacks the veteran savvy that Miller has.”

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I left a comment on there.

Maybe he will update it.

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on Jul 27, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like another possible sig opportunity for you.

by levelhed on Jul 27, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

they really remember "that guy named Blake" back east, eh?

there’s this thing called Google…it’s free/online and you can use it to do some occaisonal research…

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 27, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just going to comment on that

No disrespect, other than getting your name wrong.

…and Bo Outlaw with the jam!

Chris Dudley for three!

by wilbjammin on Jul 27, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Ha ha does this guy even know what he's talking about?
Go ahead Andre. It sounds like a good deal for ya. Portland has some amazing talent, but was sorely lacking in point guard experience. No disrespect to Jeff Blake … the former University of Maryland graduate has down well with the limited skills he has, but he lacks the veteran savvy that Miller has.


Who is Jeff Blake?

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Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 27, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

jeff blake was the former bengals qb

he threw a wicked deep ball, but couldn’t hit crossing routes at all.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jul 27, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL JEFF BLAKE

oh thos East Coasters…

B.S. Liberal Studies OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!

by TyboOSU on Jul 27, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

This says more than any of the media's thoughts...Iguodala's twitter..

“Practice is over and I got the worst news of the day… Dre Miller signed with portland…ruined my day…what the @#!¤?”

And then later:
“I aint gone lie, I’m still a lil bitter over this dre miller situation. I knew he wasn’t comin back, but reality is settin in…”

http://twitter.com/AI9

by oregontrail on Jul 27, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks timbo.

Jeff Blake? The guy who wrote that is an “[expletive deleted]”.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 27, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

It killed me to ruin a good joke due to mamby-pamby language rules, but what can ya do???

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 27, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

It WAS a good play on words

The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.

by BlazersOrBust on Jul 27, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahahahaha

76ers are hyping Lou Williams. That’s like hyping Jeff Blake as the next CP3.

Los Angeles Lakers 2009-2010 Western Conference Chumps

by Zaig on Jul 27, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

He could be a good test case for Bayless. Stood in the shadow for 3 years, now ready to take over – or not.

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's a combo guard like Bayless

But not anywhere close to as athletic or with the defensive potential or drive Bayless has.

Lou Williams is the classic scoring short guard. It is funny they’re saying he’ll be the PG. That’s silly. He’s the sort of combo guard that makes people not want combo guards.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 27, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you ask Gavin Dawson and Dwight Jaynes, Bayless is that sort too :)

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

And ya know, in most cases I'd agree!

But where The Bayless Theory stands out is a willingness to become a PG (I was much more encouraged by that in summer league than him dominating meaninglessly again), and the ability to defend other PGs.

Almost every combo-short-scoring-guard we all hate, has no ability to defend any position on a basketball court. If Bayless can guard PGs like we hope he can, and keep working on being a real live somewhat-PG, he’ll be successful. In theory.

Lou Williams is more like a lower middle class man’s Randy Foye!

Morty

by Mortimer on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

(not that you disagree with me of course)

by Mortimer on Jul 27, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda disagree. Lou Williams is only 22 and while I suppose he is a poor man’s Monta Ellis as of right now, he’s more of a PG than Ellis. He is still more of a scorer than many like at the 1, but he is also more of a playmaker than he probably gets credit for, some of this undoubtedly stemming from the fact that he played a lot of SG in Philadelphia previously because, as you well know, their 2’s are awful. He is very quick and can handle the ball, so while I do not expect great things, I think he could do well starting in Philadelphia’s more up-tempo offense. Philadelphia has a very good defense to put out on the court with him, and it isn’t as if the two point guards before him were especially skilled defenders. If he’ll work anywhere, it’s there.

Here’s to hoping that I’m not comparing him to Monta Ellis just because the only time I saw him play live was in Oakland and the fact that I know they played against each other in high school.

Make the music with your mouth Prz

Salaam.

by JamesOn on Jul 27, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bayless has a much better shot of being a quality NBA player than Lou.

Bayless is bad right now, but he’s also young and has 1 year experience.
Lou is bad right now, but… oh wait…

Los Angeles Lakers 2009-2010 Western Conference Chumps

by Zaig on Jul 27, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m excited about the Lloyd era in Portland… we can go into next season saying that we are a legitimate contender. When was the last time this was true in Portland? 2000?zz

optimism ftw

by Cablinasian on Jul 27, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed. I wonder if that guy has any insight on Aaron Bayless, Samuel Roy or Bobby Oden?

"be where you are when you're there"

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 27, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

Well getting past the “Jeff” Blake guffaw, which was hillarious, these are exactly the type of comments you want to hear from the team losing the player you just obtained. Makes me feel that much better about the Andre Miller move.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jul 27, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

exactly what I was gonna say.

No negative Nancys, just resigned and somewhat remorseful acceptance.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Jul 27, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's exactly right. The fans knew they were losing him for money reasons and are resigned to their fate...

There were very few haters on the boards that I saw.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 27, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks Timbo

Well put together. I appreciate it. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 27, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks. It ain't much, but I do what I do.

This column is sort of my schtick over in Lakerland, for those of you that haven’t seen it — assuming they don’t take me behind the barn with a small caliber handgun this fall…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 27, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

They'll probably wait until May

when we take them out in the WCF.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 28, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

nothing lasts forever.

barryd jayless deserves the critizisim hes getting.

if he don’t like it, he’ll get better.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Jul 27, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can start hitting frickin' jumpers, for starters...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 27, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

he should start hitting jumpers as a bench warmer if he wants to become a starter.

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

draining 3's from the bench would get my attention.... ;)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Jul 27, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deep team

I think this move has made us a very deep team. How can you stop a lineup of Jeff Blake, Brenden Roy, Lamar Aldrich, Andy Miller and Greg Odom?

by JonathanPDX on Jul 27, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice Post

Its nice to get some perspective from the flip side of the coin. In this case it makes me even more excited that we got Miller.

The Jeff Blake quote is pretty classic. ;-)

by lilseal18 on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I like it

but could you be a little more thorough next time? We here at BEdge like our trolling in light doses and demand a representative sampling.

/sarcasm

P.S. Some of us like watching reruns of “Who’s the Boss?” so we can remember a time when Tony Danza really meant something.

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by OhOhOden on Jul 28, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Canzano says Miller isn't 'The Answer"...my question who was?

I mean really… the answer??? What is that? Was Hedo the answer? Millsap? Superman? The Tooth Fairy? God?

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jul 29, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions  

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