The André Miller Signing: The View from Philadelphia
Forgive the purple-and-gold logo, I just felt like taking a spin around the neighborhood to keep the carbon off the plugs. This summer is too damned long (especially this week, when we get a little taste of the Las Vegas sun in Oregon, sans all the air conditioning).
Anywho...
We've all been hearing lots of little snippets about the acquisition of 6'2" Point Guard André Miller, mostly from the Blazer side. Nate is happiest, for sure, he's found a Point Guard Coaching Buddy of the first magnitude and finally has somebody to watch crappy 1980s sitcoms with him in the locker room.
And KP is really happy, because the tornado-laced-hurricane-tsunami-typhoon of unmet fan expectations (a [expletive deleted]storm of his own creation) has magically gone bye-bye with a couple strokes of the pen. And Nate isn't pissed at him for dumping more kids on his head anymore.
And the Portland fans are happy, almost all of them, because Mom's 2003 Camry has been replaced with a far more sporty model — something of a classic of yesteryear, sure, but well-maintained, extremely durable, and with a V-8 engine that promises to go-go-go on the open road. Yaay.
But what are our friends in Philly making of all this? Are they happy to see an overrated bag of bones hit the road to Unrestricted Free Agent senility in the West? Or are they sad to see the loss of a playmaker and team leader?
Let's find out after the jump...
Okay, so there's no jump with FanPosts...
So sue me.
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Sixers, Andre Miller Were Not on the Same Page
by Phil Jasner, Philadelphia Daily News
In retrospect, Andre Miller was all but gone the day last season ended.
Given the current stance of 76ers president/general manager Ed Stefanski, that would appear to be the case.
Miller, an unrestricted free agent, signed a 3-year contract Friday with the Portland Trail Blazers that could be worth as much as $21 million. By all accounts, the first 2 years are guaranteed at about $14 million, with the Blazers holding an option on the third year.
This was the reality: The Sixers were not offering more than 1 year at the NBA midlevel exception of roughly $5.8 million. Miller and agent Andy Miller were insisting on significantly more money and 3 years. Neither side showed any inclination to change.
The Blazers' reality: They are coming off a 54-victory season and feel Miller's experience and point-guard skills could help their young players improve and ultimately go deeper in the playoffs.
The Sixers' reality: Miller could have meant a handful of additional victories in the coming season, but his presence would have further delayed the development of Lou Williams, starting his fifth season, and first-round draft choice Jrue Holiday. * * *
"We wish Andre the best," Stefanski said after a busy week in which he watched Andre Iguodala and Thaddeus Young practice in the U.S. National Team minicamp in Las Vegas, then jetted back in time for Saturday's annual Beach Bash in Avalon. "We've moved on. The opportunity is there now for Lou to excel, and we think he will. He's been grooming himself for this for 4 years. At the same time, we'll see what the learning curve is for Holiday." * * *
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Miller Says Sixers' Offer Wasn't Fair
by Tom Moore, Burlington County Times
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"Do I think it's a fair offer?" said Miller in a conference call Friday night. "No, I don't. I can't blame that on the organization. I think it was all due to the economy. It was a tough situation. They had to figure out what direction they're going to go in."
In 2 2/3 seasons with the Sixers, Miller never missed a game at point guard and helped the Sixers to consecutive playoff appearances. His consecutive-game streak of 530 is the longest among active NBA players."I accomplished my goals there - to help the players and team get better and get to the playoffs," said Miller, who claimed he never had any contact with team president Ed Stefanski "throughout the summer."
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Is Having Andre Miller a Good Thing?
posted by "Phillysportspulse" to Liberty Ballers (SBN)
Is having Andre Miller leave a good thing? Lou Williams will now have his chance to be the man at the point. Not having Miller will also force the rookie [Jrue] Holiday into a playing role. We will finally get to see what Lou has and if the rookie has any talent.
Does this train of thought lead to more of what we have seen in the last few years, a team that can only dream to get into the 5th seed of the playoffs?
We shall see...
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by Philadunkia (True Hoop)
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Most of the rumors involve who will play point guard for the Sixers in 2009-10 or at least who will back up Louis Williams. One name we are not hearing that we'd like to see given some attention is former UConn star and current NBA disappointment Marcus Williams who just got finished tearing up the NBA Summer League. Also we are not hearing Ramon Sessions name connected with rumors surrounding the Sixers and that's very disappointing as well. * * *Former Sixer point man Eric Snow interviewed former Sixer shooting guard Allen Iverson on NBA TV. Right now we'd take either one at point tomorrow over the Sixers current situation. * * *
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Sixers Searching for a Veteran Point Guard
by SixerBlogger, Philadelphia 76ers Blog.com
Recently waived Jamaal Tinsley may be considered by the Sixers to fill the void for the much needed point guard position. Tinsley who has talent but has a history of being injury prone and getting into trouble, will be looking to revive his career as the Indiana Pacers were more than happy to get rid of him.
Nothing is confirmed that the Sixers will pursue Tinsley but it appears their options are Tinsley and C.J. Watson.
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by Rando, Sixers Journal
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Go ahead Andre. It sounds like a good deal for ya. Portland has some amazing talent, but was sorely lacking in point guard experience. No disrespect to Jeff Blake ... the former University of Maryland graduate has down well with the limited skills he has, but he lacks the veteran savvy that Miller has.I have a great appreciation for Andre after watching him play here. Like many I mistook his quiet demeanor for a lack of intensity. But I learned to appreciate the adroit passing skills, the high basketball IQ, the heart that he possesses. He has put on some spectacular shows in a Sixers uniform.
I will miss him, but I'm happy he is gone. Because of his unbelievable streak of consecutive games played ( 500+ games) there is little time for other guards to play the point. And his pride and will to win were so large that he would force things. Try to take over games when the Sixers needed it. * * *
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posted by "Boulder Eagle" to PhilaPhans message board
Surprising. You'd have thought they would have done this sooner. It was looking like he was going to have to settle for very little.
Better in Portland than in NY. Sorry to see him go; he added a lot these past few years. God help us all with Sweet Lou at the point....
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posted by "PhilsFanSince79" to PhilaPhans message board
So they lose an asset and get nothing in return. Great management by Stefanski considering he had his entire tenure here as GM to make a decision on the Miller situation.
The roster the day they fired Billy King would beat the current roster Stefanski has put together. This guy has been a huge failure.
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The Problem: Dalembert Immovable
posted by "Salvistine24" to PhilaPhans message board
I also think that the Sixers game plan to start the offseason was to sign or trade for a veteran PG but that was contingent on them trading Dalembert. The problem was the team really thought someone would bite on sammy but no one will. His contract is immovable.
Also, there was no shot of Miller coming back from the middle of the season; the team wanted to move on but didnt trade him at the deadline because they thought getting to the playoffs again would drive up season tickets for this year. The feeling was that if the fans saw the team go back to the postseason for a 2nd consecutive year, the fans would begin to believe this team has a chance for 2009-10 (which obviously didnt happen).
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posted by "Old School 76" to PhilaPhans message board
Nobody was beating down the door to take Miller at the trade deadline either. Especially when they knew they could get him for nothing after the season ended. Like many, I thought Miller would be at least a lukewarm (if not a hot) commodity, and teams just weren't as interested as I thought they'd be. I'm having a problem seeing where that's anybody's fault.
Jason Kidd didn't even get many suitors. Both are looked upon as old PGs, but Kidd has a better resume.
As for saving money, with the cap going down next year, every team is being very cautious about what they do. Not just the Sixers. It wouldn't make much sense for this team to get anywhere near the luxury tax with a team who obviously has no chance at winning the East, let alone a championship. I don't even think we stand a chance to win the division.
In this case, I think they did the right thing.
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A Golden Oldie from June 21st for Comedic Effect for Those of You Still Paying Attention
posted by "Walbelbm" to ESPN.com's 76ers message board
Miller (Sign and Trade), Dalembert, Thad Young
for
Blake, Outlaw, Rudy, Przybilla
Here's how I see it value wise
Miller = Blake + Outlaw
Przybilla > Dalembert (similar production, Joel costs less)
Thad > Rudy (but at the same time, helps both teams because Iggy and Thad are both natural SF's)
The Bottom Line:
1. Good bye, André, hail fellow well met.
2. The departure is no surprise, what is surprising is that our Sixers got nothing for the expiring contract they were shopping at the deadline.
3. Howzabout a little planning for this year's PG situation, Stefanski, ya bum!!!
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quote of the night:
“No disrespect to Jeff Blake [lol] … the former University of Maryland graduate has down [sic] well with the limited skills he has, but he lacks the veteran savvy that Miller has.”
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
they really remember "that guy named Blake" back east, eh?
there’s this thing called Google…it’s free/online and you can use it to do some occaisonal research…
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, I was just going to comment on that
No disrespect, other than getting your name wrong.
…and Bo Outlaw with the jam!
Chris Dudley for three!
We should trade away Bo Outlaw and Jeff Blake for Kurt Hinrich.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
What about Lamar Aldrige?
"Everyone knows who you are; but only your friends know why."
- Rich Amato
Ha ha does this guy even know what he's talking about?
Go ahead Andre. It sounds like a good deal for ya. Portland has some amazing talent, but was sorely lacking in point guard experience. No disrespect to Jeff Blake … the former University of Maryland graduate has down well with the limited skills he has, but he lacks the veteran savvy that Miller has.
Who is Jeff Blake?
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 27, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
jeff blake was the former bengals qb
he threw a wicked deep ball, but couldn’t hit crossing routes at all.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
This says more than any of the media's thoughts...Iguodala's twitter..
“Practice is over and I got the worst news of the day… Dre Miller signed with portland…ruined my day…what the @#!¤?”
And then later:
“I aint gone lie, I’m still a lil bitter over this dre miller situation. I knew he wasn’t comin back, but reality is settin in…”
Thanks timbo.
Jeff Blake? The guy who wrote that is an “[expletive deleted]”.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
It killed me to ruin a good joke due to mamby-pamby language rules, but what can ya do???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It WAS a good play on words
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 27, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahahahahaha
76ers are hyping Lou Williams. That’s like hyping Jeff Blake as the next CP3.
Los Angeles Lakers 2009-2010 Western Conference Chumps
He could be a good test case for Bayless. Stood in the shadow for 3 years, now ready to take over – or not.
He's a combo guard like Bayless
But not anywhere close to as athletic or with the defensive potential or drive Bayless has.
Lou Williams is the classic scoring short guard. It is funny they’re saying he’ll be the PG. That’s silly. He’s the sort of combo guard that makes people not want combo guards.
Mortimer
And ya know, in most cases I'd agree!
But where The Bayless Theory stands out is a willingness to become a PG (I was much more encouraged by that in summer league than him dominating meaninglessly again), and the ability to defend other PGs.
Almost every combo-short-scoring-guard we all hate, has no ability to defend any position on a basketball court. If Bayless can guard PGs like we hope he can, and keep working on being a real live somewhat-PG, he’ll be successful. In theory.
Lou Williams is more like a lower middle class man’s Randy Foye!
Morty
I kinda disagree. Lou Williams is only 22 and while I suppose he is a poor man’s Monta Ellis as of right now, he’s more of a PG than Ellis. He is still more of a scorer than many like at the 1, but he is also more of a playmaker than he probably gets credit for, some of this undoubtedly stemming from the fact that he played a lot of SG in Philadelphia previously because, as you well know, their 2’s are awful. He is very quick and can handle the ball, so while I do not expect great things, I think he could do well starting in Philadelphia’s more up-tempo offense. Philadelphia has a very good defense to put out on the court with him, and it isn’t as if the two point guards before him were especially skilled defenders. If he’ll work anywhere, it’s there.
Here’s to hoping that I’m not comparing him to Monta Ellis just because the only time I saw him play live was in Oakland and the fact that I know they played against each other in high school.
Make the music with your mouth Prz
Salaam.
Bayless has a much better shot of being a quality NBA player than Lou.
Bayless is bad right now, but he’s also young and has 1 year experience.
Lou is bad right now, but… oh wait…
Los Angeles Lakers 2009-2010 Western Conference Chumps
Agreed. I wonder if that guy has any insight on Aaron Bayless, Samuel Roy or Bobby Oden?
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 27, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice
Well getting past the “Jeff” Blake guffaw, which was hillarious, these are exactly the type of comments you want to hear from the team losing the player you just obtained. Makes me feel that much better about the Andre Miller move.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Jul 27, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly what I was gonna say.
No negative Nancys, just resigned and somewhat remorseful acceptance.
I heart taxes.
Yeah, that's exactly right. The fans knew they were losing him for money reasons and are resigned to their fate...
There were very few haters on the boards that I saw.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
thanks Timbo
Well put together. I appreciate it. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 27, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks. It ain't much, but I do what I do.
This column is sort of my schtick over in Lakerland, for those of you that haven’t seen it — assuming they don’t take me behind the barn with a small caliber handgun this fall…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
They'll probably wait until May
when we take them out in the WCF.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
by jscot on Jul 28, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
nothing lasts forever.
barryd jayless deserves the critizisim hes getting.
if he don’t like it, he’ll get better.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
He can start hitting frickin' jumpers, for starters...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
he should start hitting jumpers as a bench warmer if he wants to become a starter.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
draining 3's from the bench would get my attention.... ;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
Thank you
Very enjoyable and informative
Deep team
I think this move has made us a very deep team. How can you stop a lineup of Jeff Blake, Brenden Roy, Lamar Aldrich, Andy Miller and Greg Odom?
Nice Post
Its nice to get some perspective from the flip side of the coin. In this case it makes me even more excited that we got Miller.
The Jeff Blake quote is pretty classic. ;-)
I like it
but could you be a little more thorough next time? We here at BEdge like our trolling in light doses and demand a representative sampling.
/sarcasm
P.S. Some of us like watching reruns of “Who’s the Boss?” so we can remember a time when Tony Danza really meant something.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
Canzano says Miller isn't 'The Answer"...my question who was?
I mean really… the answer??? What is that? Was Hedo the answer? Millsap? Superman? The Tooth Fairy? God?
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