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A couple of leftover thoughts about the Trail Blazers' signing of free agent Andre Miller ...

Making McMillan happy

As everybody knows, Andre Miller was not the Blazers first choice in the free agent market. But from Day 1 of the offseason, he was the No. 1 choice of coach Nate McMillan.

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Nicely done Quick

The Miller stuff was fascinating, but the Bayless section had me riveted.

We may not like everything he writes, but Quick has his pulse on this team better than anybody.

by kobisportsguy on Jul 26, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions  

the Bayless section had me riveted

This quote from Quick should silence eveyone who thinks Rex will be clamoring for more PT

the kid won’t be a distraction if he doesn’t play. He’s just not like that. He repeatedly told me last season that he has been on a team with an unhappy player before. The player became a cancer.

“I will never be like that,‘’ Bayless said. "I know how it can affect a team.’’

Does he want to play? Absolutely. Just as badly as anyone. But while he doesn’t lack in confidence, he isn’t an out-of-control egomaniac.

Jerryd should set his sights on beating out Steve Blake, but don’t count on Blake being dealt to “make room” for Bayless. Rex will have to make room for himself, and that will come by showing Nate that he can trust him to take care of the ball and defend, as well as do all of the “little things” that Steve does without thinking

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the money quote.

“I felt like I kind of knew him [Andre Miller] already,‘’ McMillan said. "Because in a sense, we were similar as players, as far as not being great scorers or shooters, but we made our teams better because of our feel for the game and our I.Q.’’

“We wanted to raise our I.Q., and we do with this,‘’ McMillan said. "He just has a feel for the game. He will be a guy who will know the sets, put players in their spots.’’

The pretty much verifies two things.

1. Nate McMillan likes players similar to himself.
2. Basketball I.Q. is a tangible quality on the court.

Oh, and for what it’s worth, here’s some earlier comments of mine.

“Kevin Pritchard further irks me with his fascination of point guards who don’t fit Nate McMillan’s system. Whether it’s Pritchard’s utterly futile attempt to forcefully put a square peg into a round hole with free-wheeling playmakers (e.g., Sergio Rodriguez) or me-first combo guards (e.g., Jerryd Bayless), there’s seemingly a big disconnect between Pritchard and McMillan.regarding the point guard position.

As someone who watched this nearly same exact scenario unfold in Seattle and ruin McMillan’s relationship with Wally Walker and Rick Sund, it astounds me that nobody has appeared to learn from past failures. In the end, ultimately, I wonder if both Prichard and McMillan will be here for Portland’s next run championship glory."

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/1/896006/ian-thomsens-comments-on-courtside#16461131

Kevin Pritchard finally learned one part of the lesson — albeit rather begrudgingly, as is noted by his original pursuit of the aging and declining Hedo Turkoglu — regarding how to properly build a team that’s coached by Nate McMillan. Regardless, there still seems to be a palpable disconnect between these two men who sport clashing philosophies.

Plus, as it concerns McMillan and Jerryd Bayless, it appears that my earlier comments were spot on the dot.

“I’m not entirely sold that McMillan will adjust his offense to appease a gunner like Jerryd Bayless. It’s one thing when McMillan coached a dribble-drive point guard like Antonio Daniels, for he was very careful with the ball — as his assist-to-turnover ratio in 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 were both greater than 4:1 — and had a sharp-shooting backcourt partner in Ray Allen to mask his mediocre long-range shooting.”

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/9/870797/buyers-sellers#15546884

On a final note, it seems Pritchard is too obstinante to realize that Bayless is just an atrocious fit with the Trail Blazers. That appears to be a trend, though, since Pritchard will stand beside his guys until the point in which their value decreases substantially. Channing Frye and Sergio Rodriguez are current examples, while Travis Outlaw and Bayless may be next in line. Let’s hope that Pritchard cuts bait with both Outlaw and Bayless this summer, although I sadly doubt it’ll happen with the latter.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Let’s hope that Pritchard cuts bait with both Outlaw and Bayless this summer, although I sadly doubt it’ll happen with the latter

Nah, he’ll hold onto them until the trading deadline, then flip ’em for pennies on the dollar

What would you think of a Outlaw/Bayless for Foster/Deiner trade with Indy?

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm obviously a big fan of Jeff Foster, but trading Travis Outlaw and Jerryd Bayless for him isn't ...

good value for them. Even though I don’t care much for either Outlaw or Bayless, it’s likely they can be dealt either together or seperately for more in return than just Foster.

By the way, I doubt that a Foster and Travis Deiner for Outlaw and Bayless trade would work under the CBA in light of the Andre Miller signing.

FROM INDIANA & TO PORTLAND
Jeff Foster ($6,077,500)
Travis Deiner ($1,740,000)

Outgoing Salaries: $7,817,500

FROM PORTLAND & TO INDIANA
Travis Outlaw ($3,600,000)
Jerryd Bayless ($2,143,080)

Outgoing Salaries: $5,743,080 X 125% + 100,000 = $7,278,850

Yeah, it wouldn’t work within the rules at ths juncture.

Anyhow, Deiner is just a crappy version of Luke Ridnour; thus, he’s really not of any importance. At any rate, though, the unbiased part of me must concede that Outlaw and Bayless together have way more trade value than just Foster.

I, however, would strongly consider something like the following three-team trade proposal.

FROM INDIANA
Jeff Foster ($6,077,500)

FROM NEW JERSEY
Eduardo Najera ($3,000,000)
2010 First-Round Draft Pick (Via The Dallas Mavericks)
Conditional Draft Pick(s) (Via The Golden State Warriors: Top-14 Protected In 2011, Top-11 Protected In 2012, & Top-10 Protected In 2013; If First-Round Pick Isn’t Conveyed By 2013 It Becomes A 2013 Second-Round Draft Pick & 2015 Second-Round Draft Pick)

FROM PORTLAND
Travis Outlaw ($3,600,000)
Jerryd Bayless ($2,143,080)

TO INDIANA
Eduardo Najera ($3,000,000)
Jerryd Bayless ($2,143,080)

TO NEW JERSEY
Travis Outlaw ($3,600,000)

TO PORTLAND
Jeff Foster ($6,077,500)
2010 First-Round Draft Pick (Via The Dallas Mavericks)
Conditional Draft Pick(s) (Via The Golden State Warriors: Top-14 Protected In 2011, Top-11 Protected In 2012, & Top-10 Protected In 2013; If First-Round Pick Isn’t Conveyed By 2013 It Becomes A 2013 Second-Round Draft Pick & 2015 Second-Round Draft Pick)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=my6g7h

For the Indiana Pacers, the team would get a much-ballyhooed prospect project in Jerryd Bayless.

For the New Jersey Nets, the team would get a one-year stopgap at small forward in Travis Outlaw — who’s vastly superior to the craptacular trio of Bobby Simmons, Jarvis Hayes, and Trenton Hassell — as well as slash guaranteed salaries of $2,500,000 in the 2010-2011 season and $2,250,000 in the 2011-2012 season by dumping Eduardo Najera.

For the Portland Trail Blazers, the team would get a defensive-minded backup at power forward in Jeff Foster — who would also serve as an emergency center, as well as push both Jeff Pendergraph and Dante Cunningham to third-stringer/D-Leaguer status — and, moreover, get some future draft picks in return for the superfluous Outlaw and overhyped Bayless.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Jul 26, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this juncture, you're right

but when the Euros come off the books in September KP will have a little more cap-space to play with. There’s no rush, I just want the veteran PF position “filled” before the playoffs. (Although the longer KP hangs onto Travis and Jerryd, the less they’ll be worth, of course)

If there’s any way that KP can get Foster for Outlaw/Bayless that would be fine by me, Adding Deiner was more of an afterthought because the team would sort of need a #3 PG following Rex’ (hypothetical) departure. Your 3-way proposal that adds some assets to Portland’s ledger makes even more sense

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by two4larue on Jul 27, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow Jeff Foster should be retiring just about the time this team is ready to compete for anything real

So give away two reasonably priced young players with potential for an old stiff that is of no use to us right now?

Hmmm

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jul 27, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

A quote from that article re: Blake caught my eye
I [Quick] had several conversations with Andy Miller, Andre’s agent. The agent marveled at how much the Blazers organization valued Blake.

This shouldn’t really be news, but anyone who thinks that Steve and his expiring contract will be dealt in February had better back away from that notion. I suspect Blake will get a “fair” contract extension and sign it, before Halloween

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Makes sense.

Even if Bayless were to suddenly emerge as the backup PG to Miller they don’t want to let Blake just walk for nothing come summer. So extend him ($4M) by the deadline and we can always trade him later (although I don’t think that will happen).

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 26, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

by now we should know that KP and Nate like Blake, a lot

It remains to be seen how Steve feels about backing up Miller, I suppose he could “walk” and try to find another starting job and (hopefully) make more money. But the economy’s been tough on 2nd tier free agents this offseason and (with the salary cap reportedly dropping even lower next summer) Blake may just decide to take a “fair” offer and stay in Portland where he’s already settled

That’s my reading of the tea leaves, anyway. We’ll see if Quick (or Casey, etc) can drag any quotes out of Steve re: his new (reduced) role. I know Blake’s “goal” is to be the starting PG on an NBA championship team, but he’s gotta figure he can still regain the starting job when Andre hangs ’em up, assuming Steve decides to stick around with the Blazers

Unless Steve makes some serious noise about wanting to be traded, I do not see KP moving him

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by two4larue on Jul 27, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quick sets all the insane fans straight

repeat with me: lots of talent is good!!! if we have more than 2 talented players at one position people go crazy saying we HAVE to trade them.

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 26, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

lots of talent is good

not if you’re that “3rd” guy…right, Channing?

(BTW, Bob Whitsitt agrees with you…more is better…let the coach worry about keeping ’em all happy)

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by two4larue on Jul 27, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Channing was that second guy

He was just a pale copy of LMA.

Powerword ’09? “Flexibility”

by LaoTzu on Jul 27, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

In case you missed it, that’s also pretty much what Pritchard said Nate & Co’s job is, while his job is to acquire the best players available.

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I heard that too. He said Nate's job was to figure out how/where to play them.

That was about the same time Nate told him he would only sign one year contracts from now on!

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 27, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't doubt this report that Miller was Nate's first choice for a free agent.

The fact that KP went after a SF and then a PF before getting Nate a veteran PG could lend some credibility to the rumors about a rift between Nate and KP. It’s also pretty obvious that they disagree about Bayless. Nate may be looking for more control over player acquisitions in his next coaching job.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 27, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't miss it, I was quoting it liberally during "Millsap week"

But did you miss my Bob Whitsitt reference? If KP only “adds to” and never “consolidates” his talent stockpile, he’ll be heading down the same “I wasn’t a chemistry major” road that Trader Bob took us all for a “joy ride” on

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by two4larue on Jul 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick on Cap Space?

“The Blazers are awaiting word from the NBA on whether they can enter the season with a potential $2.6 million in cap space. … That’s when the cap-holds for Petteri Koponen, Joel Freeland and Victor Claver are eligible to come off the books .”

That is automatic as far as I know. I wonder what he means by “awaiting word”?

I would estimate the cap space available at the start of the season (if we make no further moves) at about $2.3M = $700K (left after signing Miller) + $2.6M (Euro cap holds coming off) – $1.0M? (total of two rookie salaries). Anyone have a better estimate of the rookie salaries?

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 26, 2009 11:09 PM PDT reply actions  

That's about right. They can sign the 2nd round picks for the league minimum

since the rookie scale only applies to first round picks.

They should be about $2-2.4 mil under the cap. Add to that Outlaw’s expiring contract and they could deal for a $6.5 mil player without taking anything back.

Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 27, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of cap space -

I recall talk about petitioning the NBA for cap relief on Miles. The argument wasn’t simply that someone would sign him just to mess with us (he played 34 games and averaged 8.8 minutes last year so that argument is pretty weak now), but rather that the CBA cap space hit was intended to keep a team from re-signing its own “medically retired” player for cheap, and not penalize a team if the player later came back with a new team. It would seem difficult to sell that theory and get cap relief (as if the rest of league would give us a break), but I remember someone from the Blazers saying they would pursue that with the league. Has anyone heard anything about such a petition?

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 26, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

They did petition the league, but it's pointless for this year

since they are under the cap. They will not be allowed the cap space to sign players; the only benefit would have been relief from luxury tax penalties, which they are in no danger of this year.

Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 27, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting, thanks.

You are saying the league turned down their request to get the $9M cap space back from Miles contract? That’s what I would expect, but was there some article about this? I didn’t see anything.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 27, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You won't see it in an article. This was between front office & NBA execs/lawyers.

The Blazers made the appeal before the free agent signing period. Had they been successful, it would have impacted their cap space: they hoped to sign Hedo AND make a lopsided trade while taking back a rotten contract off someone’s hands. That was plan A, but they knew there was little chance of getting the cap space, so Hedo alone was plan B, forcing a Boozer trade to Chicago was plan C, and Miller was considered plan D…

Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 27, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

or a lopsided trade at the deadline, theoretically.

optimism ftw

by Cablinasian on Jul 27, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

anybody raised an eyebrow about this?
For how much people like to talk about Pritchard being a wheeler-and-dealer, he has probably sat on his hands more than he has pulled the trigger, and a big reason is because he admits he has become emotionally attached to the core of this team. He believes in the players he has brought here.

I know some people are saying “I told you so” now. But still, to hear himself admitting he’s “emotionally” attached to our core players is a little concerning.

by iverigma2 on Jul 27, 2009 12:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I have found it funny during the evolution of the Blazers from rebuilding project to playoff team at how suddenly the team’s stable of talent is a problem.

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2009 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

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