Greg looking better.
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Here is the video of Greg at camp, day two.
Just some thoughts...
1. I have heard people mention he looks lost in this video. This however is not the case. The guards are dominating the ball. I counted 4 times total, I think, where the post player on EITHER team was passed the ball with the intent of scoring, i.e. in scoring position. Therefore, his role as to what he should be doing is ambiguous. The guards are rarely passing, leaving it to whoever bring it up the court to barrel at the basket, or dribble until they shoot. There is no real roll for big men. This is more reminiscent of AAU basketball than actual NBA/FIBA basketball.
Most importantly, he did NOT shy away from contact, running STRAIGHT to the rim when he came down on offense. If there was anyone in his way, he simply moved them out of his way. This was great to see. Although he may not be dominant on the block, this will get him some really easy buckets and give us a real that physical dynamic.
2. Greg is moving very well. In videos from both days of scrimaging, Greg has looked sharp. He is hustling and looks much quicker than last season. He knows what to do on the screen and roll as opposed to last year. he bust his but to show and get back. His speed during those plays is much better than most centers in the league, it appears. This is also a testament to his decision making, when to show and when to get back.
3. Greg is in great condition, especially considering its the middle of the summer. His stamina looks to be in good standing. The game speed is remiscent of a Phoenix Suns run when they would go up by 15 in 2 minutes, before the other team called timeout, about two years ago. But this time, it was for the entire time they were scrimmaging. This was, again, just like an AAU game, played at break-neck speed. There is a point in the video where the man he is guarding is holding his knees gaspnig for air, while Greg looks like he's doing fine. This is good to see, considering how hard it is for bigger people to get into great shape. Big men always have a hard time playing at those levels, especially centers. Therefore, it is great to see Greg running with the best of them.
4. Greg looks like he can really run the floor, so pushing the ball will be no issue with him. He has really good speed for a center and didn't appear to ever be in a flat out sprint, or going more than 65-75%.
5. Something Greg really needs to improve on is setting screens. He still sets some really soft screens. He does not put his body on the opposing guard, often setting it at an angle, almost giving the defender the chance so slide around without hitting him, unless the ballhandler goes off shoulder to shoulder (as they should, but often don't). He also leaves to early on the screen, not forcing his man to show. This makes his roll to the basket far less effecient. Since his defender doesn't need to show, Greg cannot get a lane to roll to the basket. Therefore, the opposing help defense does not have to compensate for him, and it diminishes the opportunities for the ballhandler to pass to. Thus, the offense is less efficient.
This is about as much as you can take form this video, since, as i said before, this scrimmage is not that well run. Neither team is playing to its strengths. The guards are doing whatever they want, not utlizing the big men or working for great shots. Notice the lack of outside shots taken in the scrimmage. That is telling to what type of style this is. Players are mostly driving until the defense stops them, then shoot. If they used their big men, it would allow for more open shots, by forcing the defense to react and collapse. I am surprised by the poor basketball played here. I would think that this style would be left for the rec gym, and AAU. In college, you definitely learn a more disciplined, effective, game of basketball. Likewise with the NBA, so I am surpised that in our USA Senior basketball minicamp, it is not being reinforced. This is especially significant, considering the way the international game is played. Simply sprinting at the rim with the ball, like a fullback, will not cut it. You wil not be bailed out by refs; there are no superstar calls.
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I disagree a little.
I don’t see much hustle from Greg in this video at all. Much of the time he only makes it to the 3pt line on offense, instead of hustling down low to get in on the action. He looks like he’s worried about a turnover and doesn’t want to have to run back down on defense again, so he stops up high.
He also looks pretty winded in this scrimmage to me. But I guess simply running up and down on every play between the 3pt lines will do that to you.
I would have liked to see him gobble up more rebounds on either end in this video. Maybe not stopping at the 3pt line could have helped in this regard.
All in all, I was more impressed with the first day’s video. This one left me unimpressed.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
yeah I agree
Overall, I’m encouraged (the quote from Jay Triano about Oden being the surprise of day 1 was great), but that 2nd video didn’t excite me at all. I’m not going to make any judgments either way until I have a chance to watch him in the preseason.
Greg is not going to stand out in a game
at that pace. Anymore than say Shaq or Yao would.d…even in their prime. It makes you really appreciate a guy like Howard, who is essentially as beastly if not more than Oden, but can run up and down the court with the guards.
Greg’s strength is not in the transition game (though he can start a break), but it is in the halfcourt game where his size and strength are an advantage…which is why he excelled Thursday. Friday was basically fast break basketball the whole time…so, it’s not surprising that he didn’t shine.
I strongly disagree
You are correct… Oden has an advantage over most of the centers in the NBA using his size and strength — Defensively. Offensively, Oden will use his size and strength to get deap position on somebody and power up and throw it down.
But the thing that sets Oden apart from just about everyone in the NBA, the reason he was (and should have been) the #1 pick in the draft, is because of his insanely freakish athleticism for a beastly 7 footer with a 7 foot 10 inch wing span. His ability to run the fast break with most guards. To explode to the basket on the pick and roll separating himself from even the quickest SF/PF in the league. He can rotate on defense from 15 feet away to block destroy their shot that, until the moment the ball hits them square in the nose, they thought was a wide open, easy lay in.
Well that was during his Ohio State days what your describing.
But now he is not as quick as he used to be, don’t get me wrong he’s still pretty darn quick for a 7-footer. Those two videos show that he’s stepping in the right direction with his training. All I want to see is him dropping to at least 265-270 lbs, that should really help him.
Well..
Ideally, we want him to return to his Ohio State days. Amare Stoudemire made a full recovery from microfracture, and we want the same thing to happen with Greg. The only thing we want limiting his quickness is all that muscle he has added in the last couple years, not his knees.
He's still that same Greg Oden that played for Ohio State
What I was trying to say is that Oden is an extremely hard worker and is an extremely talented basketball player. Not very many players in his position – a true freshman expected to carry a major program like Ohio State – would even make an attempt to play without being able to use his strong hand at all. Greg Oden didn’t just play… he played very well. You can tell that he is a very coordinated athlete too… and has the ability to be as strong with his left hand as he is with his right hand down in the low post, which adds a whole new aspect to a posts offense. Just look at Zach Randolph early in his career… a solid offensive threat in his first couple seasons, but more of a mid range jump shooter because defenders knew to force him to his right hand… as soon as he developed his off hand to where it wasn’t a weakness any more he became a star.
As for Oden’s athleticism… he wasn’t near the freakish athlete he was in college last season. It was something that we knew was going to be a factor – he wasn’t going to be anywhere near 100% of the athlete he was at Ohio State for at least 2 years after having surgery. He was about where anybody realistically expected him to be last year. As long as an athlete is young enough when they have that surgery, which Oden obviously is plenty young enough, and works hard enough with rehab and everything he’s supposed to do, it won’t be a problem getting him back to his ideal weight and full athleticism.
I’m going to go ahead and appologize right now because I wrote this as fast as I could and don’t have time to check it over for errors. If it doesn’t make sense, I’ll fix it later.
Wow, can we get that guy?
Fast break?
Pick & Roll?
Rotate on defense and block shots without fouling?
I can’t wait for that guy to show up, and hopefully he will someday.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 25, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
as a big man muself I can tell you
in a guard dominated game it often ends with a quick shot before you can get down there, so you keep with your man on the way down on defense & let the speedsters do what they do.
by DephlatorMouse on Jul 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
i will decided when....
I see some video of tonights game. And even after tonights game, he still has another month on his own or with grant until he rejoins the team.
by asimms21 on Jul 25, 2009 1:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm really impressed with Greg in the "fast-break" video.
The fact that as a 7’0" 270lb center he never stopped is impressive. You’re right that they never ran set plays so Greg’s game wasn’t displayed completely. I liked how he defended in the post on both days, pretty much shutting down the lane. At first I was unimpressed with the pick and role also, but then realized it wasn’t Greg’s fault entirely. The pick is all about timing and the point guard was sprinting to the pick point. The ball handler is responsible for the timing and needed to slow it down so Greg could get position. I will agree that Greg didn’t hold it long enough. But he did role well to the basket. if only the ball handler would pass. I conclude that this is a glorified fast-break drill.
I tend to watch what is happening
in the paint when the opposing team is attempting to score. He is a very effective defensive player. There weren’t too many points to be had down low. Good rebounds. He effects the game in subtle ways. I’m wondering why we can’t watch video of practices all the time? I think he looks good…

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