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Greg Oden Visited A Sports Psychologist

Marc Spears, formerly of the Boston Globe and now of Yahoo! Sports, delivers a very, very nice profile of Greg Oden.

Go read it right now.

The bombshell...

To rebuild his confidence, Oden began visiting a sports psychologist. "A little shrink," he joked.

...

The psychologist helped Oden "see himself." Former Blazers forward Brian Grant provided similar help, flying from Cincinnati to Columbus to work with Oden four times a week, on and off the court. Grant, who is suffering from Parkinson's disease, grew into a mentor of sorts for the Blazers' 21-year-old center. His words stuck with Oden.

One of the most regular complaints I received over the course of last season was: "Why are you writing about Greg's off-court behavior?" The reasoning generally went something like, "It doesn't matter whether he smiles or frowns, all that matters is what takes place on the court."

That line of thinking was, and is, a total crock.  Athletes are human beings. Often young, emotionally delicate human beings.  If their heart isn't in it, or they are struggling with family issues, or they are simply not comfortable in their environment, behavior off the court will often manifest before, or simultaneously with, developments on the court.  Both sides of the coin are important to keep an eye on, although it's obviously much more difficult to ascertain what's going on off-the-court.  

In Oden's case, it wasn't that difficult.  It would be nearly impossible for anyone that spent significant time around GO last year to not pick up on his moodiness, his withdrawn personality, and his emotional ups-and-downs from day-to-day.  There were definitely times that he was happy, jovial and smiling in front of reporters; there were also times, a lot of times, when he was not. It was just a fact of his life.  I'm not sitting here killing the guy for it six months later; it was just a fact of life. 

The Blazers have done a very, very, very good job of focusing the attention this summer on Oden's conditioning progress.  That is something that Oden can improve simply through effort and it sounds like he's on the right track.  

But throughout last season and during this summer, I've heard far more questions from non-team observers about Oden's mental makeup than questions about whether he will be able to continue a full recovery from microfracture surgery.  Repetitive conditioning will get him where he needs to be physically; it's the rest that seems up in the air for many observers.

I have no idea where Greg Oden's career is headed. Last year it was very difficult to get a feel for his personality off the court and equally difficult to get a feel for his complete game on the court. But I can say this: Oden's raw talent level and physical tools far, far exceed every center present in Las Vegas last week.  

No one there, not Memphis's #2 overall pick Hasheem Thabeet or anyone else, belongs in the same paragraph with Greg Oden.  

That's important to keep in mind because Thabeet, a rookie, is actually older than GO, entering his third NBA season (including the year he sat out injured), by a year. Crazy perspective, huh?

Oden's admission to Spears of seeing a "little shrink" is bigger, better news to me than 10,000 words about his workout routine.  For anyone, seeking psychological help is a difficult process; for Oden, given his level of fame, the daily pressure placed upon him as a city's supposed savior, and the stigma that many professional athletes feel about asking for help, it's only that much more difficult.  

Kudos to Mr. Oden for not only seeking help but also for talking about it publicly. Regardless of what happens during the rest of Team USA's minicamp, I've heard what I need to hear.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

PS if you're jonesing for another ride on the Greg Oden Hype Train, check out this piece by Zach Harper of TalkHoops, writing on Hardwood Paroxysm.

Zach even drops a line about "getting his Kevin Pelton on." I assume this means taking his shirt off and cheering wildly at WNBA games but, in the context of this post, that explanation doesn't quite fit.

Poll
What is the biggest concern facing Greg Oden next season?
His mental/emotional mindset
867 votes
His physical health/conditioning
803 votes
No point guard to run the pick and roll
177 votes
The annoying Portland media
422 votes
There are no concerns
171 votes
Other
62 votes

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health/fitness

Once he’s got lateral quickness, it’ll all fall into place. He’s never been 100% as an NBA player. He needs to add more offensive firepower to his game, though, maybe some face-up and jumphook moves. I have no question that his D is there already but as a scorer, he’s extremely limited.

by kneejerkNBA on Jul 23, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Anybody who couldnt see

that just about 95% of the What’s Eating Gregbert Oden last year was in his head is a bit out of touch. He was fumbling balls that should have been dunks and layups regularly. He was getting traveling calls right when he was beginning his post move out of the entry pass on a nightly basis. And seeing Greg smile was like spotting a Giant Squid; rarely, if ever. I’m not surprised by this news at all, I’m glad he was smart enough to do this or follow someone’s advice to do this, and look forward to what could become one of the greatest single season improvements in ALL OF SPORTS HISTORY!!!!

by pdxlifer on Jul 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

mental/emotional

last year wasnt what greg oden expected it to be. He had a rough time and often got into foul troble. His face told it all sometimes he looked like he was going to cry walking out of the game. His mental toughness took a hit. This offseason if he gets his mental toughness back and he conditions watch out Andrew I have two good weeks and now I’m awesome Bynum .

"Good, Better, Best, never let it rest until your good is your better and your better is your best." Tim Duncan

by flynn4blazers on Jul 23, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

his mentality is so important

for example did anyone see that footage on kgw a couple days back where they showed greg in high school dunking on someone and then getting in their face taunting? oh man i loved that. thats the confidence i want to see , throwing it down and yelling at somebody at lettin them know who dun it. it was strong confidence showed his playful side hich we havent seen since his monsterous bucks game where he dunked and then playfully hopped over his man on the ground smiling.. ah what could be this season…….

by HurricaneDayne on Jul 23, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I read this

I actually teared up a little. You do you, Grego.

by odenation2009 on Jul 23, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Good Oden,

and good writing Ben.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forget all the hype and expectations:

Give the guy until he’s 25 to develop; don’t mess with the cake while it’s still baking.

by kacee on Jul 23, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

well even with all the haters on oden i was still expecting him to be all star level talet with the flashes he showed.

(not to mention guys couldn’t guard him one-on-one with him only having one post move)

BUT, that said, this mental toughness question worries me a bit. maybe this opens up the percentages of him just being a solid role player - starting caliber- just a bit more? that would suck. i want to see him succeed.

I mean really how many guys with GREAT talent in this league have we seen falter because of mental toughness questions. i can name like dozens who had all the talent but not the right personality for it. maybe he is related to tmac and vince. lol. to be honest, i would rather have a greg oden without mental toughness questions then with… no one should say this doesn’t worry them cause that would be a lie. you know how media does things and how questions haunt players. this will be recuring story in his career me thinks, even if it isn’t the most pressing thing in his life. every time he like has a fight on the bench with the coach or something this will come up. or gets benched for the zilla. this will come up. questions… questions… doubts…. doubts…

by mandoman10 on Jul 23, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not that worried

You’re talking about self-assurance issues and occasional moodiness, both can affect performance but both are also fairly easilly treated unless they’re part of other serious mental disorders and even then can usually be treated with medication. To the best of my knowledge, Oden doesn’t have any major mental health problems, he just struggled last year with all the pressure on him for being the #1 overall pick and missing an entire season due to injury. He was playing with a body probably not really close to 100% but felt pressure to make the fans and his team happy by meeting or even exceeding already enormous expectations. I fully expect his “emotional baggage” to be pretty much solved simply by seeing a therapist from time to time, it’s really not hard to drop the self doubt and concern over others’ perceptions once you recognize it for what it is and learn to compartmentalize a little bit.. as long as that’s the extent of the “problems”.

The day he was drafted well before news of his injury surfaced, most “experts” agreed that Oden would be a great center in this league but that he wouldn’t become that overnight as he was still very raw as a player. He misses his first full season due to a knee surgery then was thrust into action before he was back to top physical condition. Not many expected him to be a dominant center immediately even before the major knee injury, so the first year after you would think averages of 9 points and 7 rebounds in about 22 minutes per game would be enough to show that he really does have talent, it’s just a matter of time and good health to see it all come to a head.

by Bryan72076 on Jul 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The defense is most of the way there

If he develops a good little jump hook he will be killer.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

i have no doubts about gregs progress...

like i said i still think he is gonna be an all-star caliber player. he is almost right on track. even great players have questions about mental toughness. and that gives me worry.

by mandoman10 on Jul 23, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dozens

Let’s see your list. Personally, I’d be fine if Greg peaked at Tracy McGrady/Vince Carter levels. That’s more than good enough for the 3rd best player on the team.

"It all depends on where his growth will come and we think his growth will come within us" -- Kevin Pritchard on Jerryd Bayless

by Jumbo on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

great point... hadn't thought o it that way...

BUT, I think that i meant the analogy of vince and tmac as away of highlighting the distance between expecations and preformance and how mental toughness plays a role in that, not a direct comparision of their talent vs gregs. isolating that we can name ton’s and ton’s of players who have been held back by mental toughness from their true true potential… im sure you can too. lamar odom… glen robinson… cwebb (always was a bit sensative)… tyrus thomas (hehehe)… is lMA in this group yet? (i know there are questinos about his moodyness in so far as feeling like he is the main guy in blazer nation)… nick van excel… olowokandi… tim thomas… darius miles… kwame (another softe — didn’t he place first on a poll of nba players naming players who do the least with their talent? i think tim thomas was 2)…. just a few. i can go on.

the thing that gives me hope for greg is his work ethic. i just worry a little… there were always questions about patricks mental toughness… even though he was a great great player and led them to finals and stuff.. when it came down to it… he just wasn’t a winner… he was a loser… mentally. if you play basketball you know what this is like… its like in a samurai fight and the old wise guy watching from the side goes… “the guy on the left is gonna win.” and the yougn guy standing next to the old guy goes “how do you know?” and the old guy goes “i can see it in his eyes” its easy to take a guy mentally out of his game in the heat of hte moment. mental toughness is a HUGE part of the game.

by mandoman10 on Jul 23, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

cake

please everyone can we please stop with the cake baking analogy. It really doesn’t make much sense anyway. theres no timer to know when the blazer cake is done and cake batter tastes better anyway so lets just stop it with the cake stuff and get back to basketball.

Life's short, Stunt it!!

by Irwin Fletcher on Jul 23, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus all the cake talk makes you hungry!

…for cake! (or championships… Whichever floats your boat)

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 24, 2009 12:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

What's it all about, Alfie?

Someone left the cake out in the rain (last February?)
And I don’t think I can take it, ‘cause it took so long to bake it
And I’ll never have the recipe againnnnnn!

For those of you who didn’t live through the music of the late ’60s to early ’70s…you missed

(and I feel for those of you who were teenagers during the disco era…)

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 24, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

biggest concern is that he actually tries to guard penetrators instead of just waiting to stuff their shots

by 50backflips on Jul 23, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

hahaha rec on the blake

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Jul 23, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg sounder MUCH happier and more relaxed in the interview with the station in Indiana than any interview he has given in Portland

It actually made me wonder if he is happy to be there, on the other coast. I hope a successful and healthy season makes him want to play for and re-sign with the Blazers, and not just because he feels he has to prove something.

by Norsktroll on Jul 23, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

A couple times

I remember reading GO quotes about the lack of diversity in Portand and the things to do were ‘outdoorsy’. I’ve wondered too if Chicago might be a better place for him mentally and something he may choose to do. Don’t have time to look up the links since I’m suppose to be working…

by DucRider on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was just sick of everything Portland because of his injury

Imagine if your first year in a town was spent rehabbing and all the other crap he went through and then his second year was underwhelming. He just needed to get away. He’ll be fine in Portland now that he’s over 21 and not injured.

by tominhawaii on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

True but

Many players spend their off-season in a city other than where play, just to get away from the 24/7 microscope. Particularly in a one team town. That’s when they will be more relaxed.

Smarta$$ question for you…..so when did Indiana move to the east coast? That’s like saying Salt Lake City is on the west coast…..

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Jul 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

what...

we’re not?

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other: foul trouble

The mental and physical aspects of the game will eventually come naturally to Greg, and he’s a smart enough and balanced enough kid (with enough talent) that the pressure/confidence issues will fade away, too.

But he has never shown any consistent ability to stay on the court. You can attribute that to being a step slow, or to mental breakdowns, but he’s been the same way since college and he made absolutely no progress over the course of last year. His foul rate was almost exactly constant over the course of the season.

That will be his biggest hurdle next year.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 23, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

Poor Body language and mental state aside, Greg is already an above average center when he manages to keep out of foul trouble. Avoiding poor fouls is the most important thing for greg to improve next year. Some of this will be fixed as his physical condition continues to improve.

Life's short, Stunt it!!

by Irwin Fletcher on Jul 24, 2009 7:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Underwhelmed

Someone needs to clue in Quick that some people take things that are said very seriously. Lay off the personal criticisms, Jason. Words can hurt!

by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 23, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

it's only personal

if you take it personally.

based on expectations the blazers set, it was fact. he was underwhelming.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Live in fear

That something you say might hurt someones feelings. Sounds like a great philosophy. If a contractor builds you a house and it falls over I’m pretty sure you would have some critical comments. As evidenced by the millions he gets paid the NBA is a business and he is no different than the contractor. If he doesn’t produce quality work he opens himself up to criticism. I bet your the type that is for scoreless kids soccer games so no one is a loser.

Life's short, Stunt it!!

by Irwin Fletcher on Jul 24, 2009 7:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Where’s the story Fletch!?! Get me a story! This, I cant print!

by pxilpooshr on Jul 24, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's 6'9" with the afro

can’t be a “real” Blazer fan if he’s wearing Kareem or Magic jerseys ;^)

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 24, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

love it.
Greg Oden is a beast of a man, ready to unleash hell on the rest of the NBA. He’s a rebounding vacuum. He’s a shot-blocking, missile defense system that the Pentagon would be envious of.

Skadoosh

by postup on Jul 23, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Oden

Oden will have a lot of work to develop the necessary mental toughness.

If he improves his game he will get more acclaim and that will boost his self-esteem.

But even if so, his play will have its ups and downs. He will need to get mentally tough enough that he can stay positive about himself even when people are down on him.

by lsjogren on Jul 23, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

the irony of this post floors me

Ben, your ability to write a genuine piece devoid of cynicism and statistical analysis is wonderful.

Oden’s admission to Spears of seeing a “little shrink” is bigger, better news to me than 10,000 words about his workout routine. For anyone, seeking psychological help is a difficult process; for Oden, given his level of fame, the daily pressure placed upon him as a city’s supposed savior, and the stigma that many professional athletes feel about asking for help, it’s only that much more difficult.

Could be your best and most honest piece this year.

Sophia

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

-3

now you’re back to 0. :p

Portland's PG of the Future - Meet John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I <3 GO

Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!

by broyposse on Jul 23, 2009 10:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Martell Webster had similar issues as well

He got alot of help by seeing a “little shrink”.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Jul 23, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

This is something that's very different outside the US.

There isn’t the stigma associated with seeking professional help for mental/emotional issues that we have in the states. If you have a problem with your car, you see a mechanic. Problem with your body? See a doctor. Problem with your head? See a psychologist / psychiatrist. You’re just trying to fix something that isn’t working the way you want.

I think the American culture value of individuality gets taken too far when it comes to mental health. There seems to be an assumption that everyone should just be able to fix all of their mental problems on their own. That’s about as smart as expecting everyone to be their own GP physician.

Getting GO in the right mental space is step 1 in his development. We all agree he needs to learn to get better. It’s really hard to learn, especially physical skills, if you’re worried about this that and the other. You need to just focus on you, the ball and the guy you’re trying to beat / defend. Everything else just gets in the way.

I think this is great news for GO. I know I’d be a basket case if I had to go through the kind of scrutiny and expectations he has at his age. I hope this is something he feels like he can go back to whenever he needs it.

by PDXTai on Jul 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I would take it a step further.....

Seeking professional counseling isn’t necessarily even about “needing help.” Counseling is often a simple matter of wanting to function better and feel happier. You do not have to be struggling to benefit from counseling, although our cultural baggage on these matters means that many of us do not seek assistance until we are really struggling.

I started counseling at age fourteen to work through a lot of complex issues with my family. I ended up starting a peer counseling program at my high school where kids could talk to other kids. I sought help again at each of the two universities I attended for help working through some issues around procrastination and perfectionism. My first wife and I went to marriage counselors three times before I concluded that it just wasn’t a good match.

At each step along the way, I have learned more about myself, more about my relationships, more about how to get out of my own way. I am often sought out by friends of both sexes for informal advice. I think it is a result of being more open about my own issues, and hopefully about having accumulated a bit of perspective and wisdom in my half century.

by upper left corner on Jul 24, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

@*#&^@#(%A(&%SA*(&

GREG IS GOING TO BE A )(@#&$^(&#^(%& MONSTER NEXT SEASON! Oh man I can’t wait. Greg kicking donkey’s and taking names is exactly what is going to bring us up to 65 wins next season. WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE OCTOBER??

Oh and when you watch the highlight reel, we need a guy like Sergio. Half the highlights are Sergio giving some crazy dish to Greg.

(and yea I realize that this post looks like it was written by a teenager, but man watching Greg highlights just gets me pumped up)

Argh! I know!

"The cake was a lie..." -blazeraddict

by TheOdenator on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

If he is in shape and healthy

The rest will fall into place. He’ll feel more confident, which will improve his play on the court, and being in shape enables him to stay on the court and gain much needed experience.

Once he is in shape, it’ll be like dominoes.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 23, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Just needs to get some PT

When he was able to get in his groove last year, he was awesome.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I chose "mental/emotional" in the poll

but I think that will be closely tied to his “physical/conditioning”. I’d love to see him enjoy playing the game again. If he is indeed working hard to get in condition this summer and it leads to better success on the game floor, the mental/emotional mindset will improve as well.

by hellsfrozenover on Jul 23, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree about them being closely tied

I actually voted for physical health/conditioning because I think his emotional state could improve if he’s physically able to do the things he wants to. But both were issues for concern this past year, so it is absolutely great to hear that both might be improving.

by Storyteller on Jul 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

one can definitely feed on the other

tis true.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mental first

physical second

but I voted portland media because frankly they’ve been annoying me of late to the point i won’t read them or listen to them.

We all know the stats on Greg. If a portland fan thinks greg is a bust, they’re uneducated. If they worry about injury, i think that’s fair but the evidence supports that we don’t have a yao ming in the making. If portland fans want to keep comparing him to the girlfriend that got away, they need to just let go. Durant is good, he also was NOT a good fit when you declare that what you need from the team is toughness.

This brings me to Greg. He needs that mental toughness more than anything because that helps you weather the ups and downs and keeps you sharp.

There are only three rookie cards that I was willing to purchase last year, because I don’t want cards of people that won’t be blazers. Oden, Roy, and Aldridge. The man will be a beast, and it’s just a matter of time.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

brian grant = great mentor. great story!

by elconquistador on Jul 23, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

So far so good...
Oden updates from Vegas
Posted by Sean Meagher, OregonLive.com July 23, 2009 13:49PM
Categories: Greg Oden, Off season
Casey Holdahl of trailblazers.com is in Las Vegas catching errant passes and watching the USA Basketball mini-camp for the next couple of days, while silultaneously keeping us updated on Greg Oden through the magic of Twitter.

Here’s a few updates from today’s practice

Oden showing some serious instinct during 5 on 5 defensive drills. I’ve counted at least 3 blocks"
Greg just stuffed Jeff Green at the hoop with extreme prejudice. GO showed a little swag after that"
“McGee, Randolph, Lopez, and Milsap have all tried to take it at Oden. All have failed”

O-Live Link, I cant do twitter from work

by DucRider on Jul 23, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally some Oden USA Mini camp news

Casey’s twitter is the bomb

Iggy joins the list of players to have their attempts at the bucket denied by GO. Refs calling games, and no, fouls have not been an issue

GO’s first jump hook of the scrimmage over Lopez is money. Looked more fluid and natural than last season. Then again, it’s just one shot.

@T_BrAd_ He looks great. I don’t think I can make any definative statements about whether he has lost weight, but he looks athletic to me.

by usmcr3049 on Jul 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even more from Casey
pdxtrailblazersCoach Jay Triano: “Oden was the surprise of the practice. He shut down everthing inside.” RT that!

by usmcr3049 on Jul 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He just needs to build some cred

So he can get away with the sort of stuff top NBA centers do all the time (such as Yao) without getting called for fouls.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

That's true too

The crap Yao could get away with in the playoffs burned by britches sumthin’ fierce. And its about establishing a reputation as a good player, a defensive player, and then the refs almost automatically give you the benefit of the doubt.

It’ll come, in time, for Greg. He’s already known as a shot blocker, so he rarely got called for a goaltend even when he sometimes did goaltend the shot. Reputation is everything!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of B-Roys biggest improvments last year

Was the ability to look like he was fouled even when he probably wasn’t. Since he’s a star, he can get away with that though.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Overall Development

I see this as part of Greg’s overall development. Much like Bayno helps with the ‘physical’ aspects of learning the game, this ‘shrink’ can help develop the ‘psychological’ aspect of the game for Greg.

I hope people don’t see this as a bad thing; some personality types just need some ‘tinkering’ to unlock their potential. If Greg can get his physical and mental games together..he’s going to unleash the beast!

by SloppyJoe on Jul 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I think we'll see a lot of this next season

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Oden

I expect to see more from Oden this year, but even if it’s not leaps and bounds, like some will expect, it would be too soon to give up on the big man. He’s entering what would be his Senior year in college. There’s ample time for him to improve and develop.

The greatest thing to be taken away from this summer is Greg has shown that he wants to develop and improve and he is taking the steps to achieve it. This is why Portland drafted him because this is the kind of man he really is.

by ECFIVESTER on Jul 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

The best thing for Oden

He does NOT have to be THE MAN on the Blazers, in fact he shouldn’t. The pressure goes on B-Roy, who can clearly handle it.

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by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Annoying Portland media...

includes you Ben. Doesn’t it? It’s going to be a little awkward that first Steve Blake interview, isn’t it?

Greg will be fine. Nothing last year sprang from the void. It was all obviously at the eye of the recovery and hype storm. People had to jerk the guy around even while saying out the side of their mouths that he’d be better off left alone. Now you’re tickled and surprised that he’s getting mental therapy? Not so much the physical therapy though. Maybe that’s just the continued stigma on any kind of mental disorder that pervades our culture. Do we need to play all cavalier and continue that trope? Nope.

by pxilpooshr on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

More of a sidenote

The interesting thing about all this line of discussion is that we feel we are applauding him and, maybe even helping him by congratulating/celebrating him seeing a shrink or getting his mind right in whatever manner that may be. But speaking from experience (as I’m sure many others in this economy can), he’d really just rather his attitude/mental state not be a subject of discussion among others period.

I’ve had that feeling before (as my industry got smashed with the economy) and I struggled for some time (again, as many have). I, like Greg, but for different reasons was accustomed to success and then was denied it for an extended period (I due to the economy, Greg to injuries/age, etc.).

It didn’t take me long to adjust to my situation and begin working through it, but it did become somewhat frustrating, whether rational or not, to be constantly asked how your doing and not be able to realistically answer “great!”

Ultimately, it just becomes tiresome that your troubles seem to be defining you so much in others’ eyes. You’d really just rather change the subject in your interations with others, and deal with the problems (be they financial, professional, personal, etc.) on your terms, without them being the subject of so many discussions occupying such a massive portion of your interactions with others.

All that said, the short answer is to just solve your problems and give everyone something else to talk about, but sometimes people like to hang on drama.

At any rate, I understand people’s encouragement with the news and am not trying to bash the discussion, but I can almost guarantee that Greg hopes desperately for a time when it’s not news at all. He just can’t wait for the day when news about his mental state of mind is no longer a “bombshell.” Here’s to him not reading any of this stuff.

by Dunemonkey on Jul 23, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

This is a really encouraging report on Greg..

Haven’t heard much about him this summer, which is good for him, but it left the question of what’s going on with him wide open from the fan perspective.
I am glad he is directly dealing with the stress issues, and generally, when someone is “open” about getting help, that is because it is working. Past problems are much easier to talk about than present/existing ones. Sounds like he is adapting and “growing” through this transition to NBA star. And, it is great he has Brian working in his corner with him, very nice.
This has given me some good reason to expect that we may well finally see the ODEN so many have been looking for this comming season. I’m loving his attitude. This guy is the opposite of “not caring”.

by Berkeley on Jul 23, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm also glad Oden is seeing a sports psychologist

The moodiness was there whether or not he saw one. I hope the psychologist is a good one—if he/she is it can make a big difference.

by PoliSam on Jul 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I just hope he starts the season well, otherwise...

his weak emotional state is going to go down like a house of cards. However, if he starts the season well, it’ll obviously build his confidence…duh.

by Coop21 on Jul 23, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Hoo-ray for Brian Grant & Looking forward to a MONSTER Year from G.Od.

It just made me feel so good to hear Brian Grant is connecting with G.Od. Grant was my favorite Blazer of his era, and although it made me sad to see him go all those years ago I always wished great things for him. Of course he’s still involved in the world and always had a big heart, but just hearing that he’s offering his support and guidance to a player in need, and a Blazer at that :c), just makes it so much better. As far as G.Od’s sophomore year, watch out—it’ll be a monster. All year I said this year didn’t count, it’s next year that will finally show us Greg’s real potential. I’ve always heard that this type of surgery requires a full two years before the patient is fully recovered, not just physically, but in mentally trusting the knee and being able to comfortably play full-out. I expect we’ll hear great things this weekend about how Greg’s playing and how athletic and ready he looks and can not wait for the season to come. Watch out!

by IdleMercutio on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Assistant Coach Grant????

I think the best part of this story is Brian Grant he was a hard worker and fan fav when he was here in POR and i for one would love to see him on our bench or just working with all our big men. To bad we couldnt sign him to be a back up PF he is the kinda banger/rebounder we could use off the bench plus with everything that is going on in his life i hope more people give him the props he deserves

by Mr.V88 on Jul 23, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Mental toughness is kind of silly when you're talking about Oden

“Oden said he wouldn’t change anything about his freshman season, but that came right after he said that if he were 5-9, he probably wouldn’t play basketball. ‘I would be a brainiac,’ he said. ’I’m not really that athletic.’”

(From The Washington Post)

You can’t blame him for it. Just because someone happens to be born with NBA center genetics doesn’t mean they’re going to love basketball. Being a 7-foot black guy in this country levels an enormous amount of expectation, and I’d imagine a smart kid like Oden would grow to resent that. Forget “mental toughness” or “lateral quickness”, this is more a question of his identity as a human being. And identity issues don’t always get worked out when you’re just 21 years old.

I suppose the real question for him is whether or not he’ll want to capitalize on his opportunity. For a bookish person it might not be worth it to be on the national spotlight 24/7. I just hope he realizes how much he can do with an NBA All Star’s salary (especially if he invests smartly, which he appears to already be doing).

by maalox on Jul 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

good call blzrfan

PER has to be useful...I'm sure it helped determine to keep Batum after Summer League

by Matt Daddy on Jul 23, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

And one with pressure heaped on him

and a national media dissecting his every move and the best-known sports columnist in the country eviscerating him. I had a hell of a time staying on an even emotional keel when I was 19 and 20, and I wasn’t under a national microscope with a rabid fan base anointing me their team savior…can’t imagine what it would be like to have to go through that.

The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.

by BlazersOrBust on Jul 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

about sport psychology

I happen to be getting my major in sport psychology atm, and just wanted to point out that most commonly it is not simply a psychologist for athletes. A sport psychologist works on many things that could possible help GO out, but its not going to be a couch session with a box of tissues. A sport psychologist will be looking to get GO to perform closer to his peak performance at a more consistent level, and will attempt to do this by getting GO to regulate and control emotions, center his focus (huge factor), apply correct preparation and use constructive viewpoints (to name just a few). Saying that, I think GO is a great candidate for an athlete that could immensely improve themselves with the practices and techniques of a sport psychologist. Just wanted to clear up any common misunderstandings of sport psychology in general.

"In general, I hate the snap judgments. I hate the rush to predict things. I hate the sports culture that can't think of anything to say unless it is predicting things. I dislike the over-hyping and the following angst-ridden crashes. I dislike the overdrawn, over-simplified, nuance-free generalizations that sprout like weeds over the conversational landscape because accuracy and fairness and truth don't fit as neatly between commercials or quote as easily around the water cooler."
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by wwKPd on Jul 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

thanks for the clarification....it helps

i think if you combine eveything you wrote with the idea that Brian Grant will be assisting that process, you have to be incredibly optimistic about the possible results. I know I am.

PER has to be useful...I'm sure it helped determine to keep Batum after Summer League

by Matt Daddy on Jul 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bayno and Grant apparently just talked a lot with Greg about all kinds of issues, things he can and can’t influence on and off the court. Both had to overcome roadblocks to continue their life. Those might not be the best big men coaches out there in terms of showing him moves and banging against him in practice, but at the moment they could be just what Greg needs. Friends and development coaches. An additional professional psychologist is another plus.

by Norsktroll on Jul 23, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

All good news

It’s great to see Greg getting some help. Everything we’ve heard this summer is positive. The biggest and most important thing in regards to Oden to keep healthy. If he stays off the disabled list, everything will work out for itself. Please don’t break any more body parts, big guy.

by epalms on Jul 23, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Well good.

I can’t imagine being 21 years old and having the pressures GO has. That he has sought clarity, and has B. Grant in his ear, shows he is maturing. When someone has problems and asks for help, I admire them. Admitting he sought help from a sports psychologist makes me very confident Greg will make it. He will be what he will be, I just hope he does it and his happy.

I am sad that the new OLP album is wimpy, and not even in a peppy Fall Out Boy kind of way just a depressing way

by SuperDave on Jul 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a big believer in sports psychologists turning around athletic performance...

by helping with the athlete’s self-actualization. I remember reading years ago about a young John Smoltz going to a sports psychologist when he struggled early in his career, and crediting the doctor’s work with helping get him on the road to Cooperstown.

You bet. I'll bet. Can you say, "caricature"?

by Calzone on Jul 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Another

great example of how a sports psychologist helping a athlete is Tom Brady of the Patriots. A totally unheralded athlete, barely drafted, certainly not an example of incredible athleticism or even talent when he started in the NFL. But most attribute his rise to the sports psychologist he started seeing while still in college.

by lethaldose on Jul 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Anybody Know?

If there will be any video or coverage from the USA Basketball minicamp that Greg Oden is attending today? I think it is possibly a 3 day event with a scrimmage. I would love to see some video of BIG GO’s performance there.

by cavejunctionblazer on Jul 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I was hoping this would happen. I’m a Greg fan and can see the potential there. I’m pleased to hear the reports that he is taking his workouts seriously and wants to get in the right state of mind to become the center we all thought he could be. He showed flashes of his potential last year and when on the floor was just fantastic. Hopefully his mind is at ease and he doesn’t think about any of his past injuries letting him run wild on the floor.

I am looking forward to next season and hope we get to watch the final scrimmage for team USA.

by aLch3m1sT on Jul 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

After reading the article...

It gave me hope for next season. Hope that Greg is going to be leaps and bounds better than he was this year. Hope that Greg is going to be not just a good player, but a good friend to his teammates, and a good role model in the community.

However, after reading that article, I am now inspired. Not by Greg Oden, though. By Brian Grant. The man has every reason to be out getting his affairs in order, taking his family on vacations, spending all the time he can with them. But, instead he is choosing to help a young man who is struggling. The fact that he is unwilling to go quietly, and is using however long he has left to spread his legacy (whether he knows it or not) through kindness, is an inspiration to me, and I hope that maybe, just maybe, I can meet him and shake his hand. That is, in my mind, the definition of a great man. Because he’s getting overlooked in this all, when I think he is probably the most important part of Greg’s new mindset.

by Jeremiah S on Jul 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

SO!

Greg Oden was mentioned as being “SHARP” in the Las Vegas mini camp today…a bit excessive on my part, but what can I say?

by kajuayn on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

As my tag says

I am The Sports Psychologist. This is a great story as a Blazer’s fan. I am so excited to see what GO brings to the court this season now that he is working on every aspect of his life. The story is also exciting to me because this is a perfect example of the rise of sports psychology. There has not been alot of “big name” athletes turning to sports psych as a method to improve their games and I am glad to see GO taking that step. I expect to see big things from Greg!!! This is a great story!!!!

by TheSportsPsychologist on Jul 23, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

mmrrph mrrmm gulp, burp

Mmmmm…sorry but I’m hungry. Looks like I’ll be dining on delicious helpings of “I told you so’s” all next year courtesy of the Oden Haters Club….MMrrhsh, grphumph, mmm. SO tasty…

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on Jul 23, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

the perfect aperatif

for politicians.

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by 22baylor on Jul 27, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I was Gregs age I was in college, had a kid and one in the oven

 the stigma of needing to talk to a shrink about the war was admitting weakness,my foolish pride would not let me do it and its one of the few things in my life I wish I would have done different.

by southern oregon on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

the guy has no personal life..

Am I the only one that would prefer if the whole world didn’t think it was their business if i went to a psychologist?

Is this where the tension between being a decent person and being a sports fan comes in? Being a decent person requires not getting satisfation or enjoying the drama of other people’s pain/difficulty. And yes, just writing or talking about it in a media forum constitutes enjoying the drama of it. Remember, this is entertainment!

I guess if I want to enjoy Blazers’ Edge, I have to put up with its prurient impulses as well as its sports coverage. Or just block out these posts about Greg Oden’s personal life. I hope Greg is developing enough perspective to realize that the Blazers’ media have this sycophantic side and not take it to heart.

by Blazin' on Jul 24, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Ben, you conveniently overlook cause & effect

Yes, you’re right: a lot of GO’s problem last season was mental. His seeking help from a sports psychologist confirms that. Wow, kudos to you. But don’t be so quick to pat yourself on the back, because the hypercritical sports media played an obvious role in GO’s mental difficulties.

This is a kid who’d gotten thru an injury-plagued freshman season at Ohio State in good shape, both physically and mentally. At GO’s early Portland appearances—at Pioneer Square and his press conferences—he was a breath of fresh air: positive, humorous, optimistic—this despite his enduring a schedule and media blitz few teenagers have ever been subjected to.

It was when GO injured his knee during training camp and underwent microfracture surgery that things began to go south. From that point on, the media attention became negative. As someone who’s been there, I can say that undergoing major knee surgery and rehab is a nightmarish experience for everyone. For one moment, try imagining what it’s like for a 19-year-old athlete, whose career is suddenly in doubt. Then imagine, at this extremely painful and stressful time, having the media pile on! This is BEYOND nightmarish. I truly can’t imagine what a drag it became to be Greg Oden.

Forget the East coast media, who wanted GO to be a bust from Day 1. Look how the local guys behaved. Here was a 20-year-old coming off of microfracture surgery—a process that routinely takes at least two years—and he was being called a head case & a bust even by the local press. Instead of educating the public about the difficulties of recovery from microfracture surgery, including the effects of a loss of conditioning (always a challenge for big men under the best of circumstances), the media chose to pile on this poor kid.It got to the point where, after GO busted his knee cap in a collision with Cory Maggette, your idol Jason Quick asked GO to his face whether he wanted to play. Even the Blazers’ organization threw GO under the bus by saying his return from that injury was day to day, when—as it later came out—they knew better.

Now you act like it’s headline news that GO sought out the help of a sports psychologist. Did the “annoying local media” cause GO’s problems? No: without the initial training camp knee injury, GO would probably have been fine. But did the media contribute to GO’s difficulties? Sorry, but there’s simply no question about that.

My hunch is that a considerable amount of GO’s time with the sports psychologist was spent learning how to tune out the ignorant, ratings-obsessed jabbering of the media. If what we hear from GO in the future is a lot of, “Both teams played hard,” who can blame him? There’s a reason many athletes become cynical about the media, and GO’s experience is a case in point.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

The ability to compartmentalize your life is very important for us to live happy and successful lives.

Failure to do so hurts your performance in many of the rolls we have to take on each day. Not being able to live in the moment and purely focus on the task at hand degrades your performance and can make live very overwhelming – leading to depression. Perhaps Greg is affected by this.

As much as I’ve criticized G.O.‘s performance on the basketball court, I’ve never doubted his quality of character. And it’s his character that makes me optimistic about his basketball future.

Now please acquire a PG with the creativity to get him the ball in non set play situations. It will make his star shine that much brighter. :D

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by Net Ranger on Jul 24, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

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