A cold, evil shot of reality
The free agency period of the NBA is heating up, and it looks like we are going to see 4-5 major contenders emerge. Most of the major free agents have "verbal commitments" or look to be leaning somewhere, and as a serious Blazer fan, my emotions have been up and down over the past few days. On one hand, it looks as if we will probably land the free agent that KP, Nate, and every other member of the Blazers top brass has coveted for months now, Hedo Turkoglu. I have been up and down on him, especially because of his price tag, but overall I think it is a move that we have to make, and really, the only move left to make. Hedo will keep our team amongst the top 4-5 teams in our conference, but Im sad to say that might be it.
The optimist inside hopes that Turk and Oden develop a similar bond to the one Hedo had with Dwight, and that Hedo can spur some development in our franchise Center. Hedo is a good shooter, and no doubt makes our team much, much better. The optimist in me also hopes that B Roy, LMA, Rudy, Martell, Bayless, Batum, and every other young player we have each make another step and our team just organically improves that much more from last year. While I think B Roy is getting close to maxing out, I still think he is 2 years from entering his prime. I think Lamarcus has the potential to make the biggest jump and really catapult himself into one of the elite PF's in the league. Everyone else is a wild card, but we should see something from at least a few of them.
Now for the bad news. With what has transpired over the past few days, we could have a rocky road ahead for many years to come. The L*kers just got better with Ron Artest. A LOT better. I have read posts on here wondering about chemistry, Ron going crazy, etc. etc. Dont kid yourselves, this guy just took less money than he could have got elsewhere because he wants a ring, and is willing to do anything to get it. With Phil Jackson at the helm, he will mold a team that will most likely dominate the West for the next 3-4 years, and they are actually pretty young. Artest is a BIG upgrade over Ariza, and now gives the L*kers the best perimeter defense in the NBA. Not to mention a ridiculous front line of Odom, Gasol, and a now healthy Bynum. Not only that, but the Spurs look to be in contention for the next 3-4 years as well with their addition of Jefferson and Denver didnt get any worse. So it looks like we will be the 4th best team in the West for the foreseable future unless we get some MAJOR development from our young guys, which could happen. But that is a big IF. The other option is trading some more of our players to vault into contention, but I'm afraid it will probably involve more than just Travis & Blake to get the kind of impact player we will need. People we really like such as Rudy or Nic would probably be sent packing as well : (
Boston, Cleveland, and Orlando will be strong as well assuming they keep their pieces intact (LBJ could leave and Boston has some aging stars).
So while we all relished in the development of our young team this year with all of our young talent and quality players, calm down. I'm sure many of us were salivating at the thought of the perenial powers like Phoenix and San Antonio getting old, or the Lakers somehow falling apart, but things just got a lot harder. Just mute the radio next time you hear people yapping about our Championship window opening up in the next year or two. I still think we will have a good 4-5 years of possible championship contention, but with what has happened we might have to wait a while.
All in all, I am just glad that we have such a good team but I can't say that watching all of our rivals poaching borderline All-Stars for mid-level-exception money makes me happy. Why cant all GM's be idiots like Chris Wallace?
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Good post
I agree that the L@kers just got better, and are still favorites for the #1 seed and WCF.
I agree that the Spurs put themselves back in the mix.
I agree that Denver will be better this year as well.
I do not agree that Denver will be better than us. They may win 57. We will win 60 or more. A summer of Greg working with Bill Bayno is worth 5-6 additional wins, even if there is no other improvement. If LMA takes another step up, you can add a few more.
I doubt the Spurs will be better than us in the regular season. We have too much depth. Head to head in the playoffs they may well be the favorites, but we’ll have homecourt advantage on them.
With one or two big moves, we will be good enough to be a threat to beat anyone, and be legitimate championship contenders. We won’t be favored this year (unless KP can trade Rudy, Travis, and Martell for LeBron or something like that). But we’ll be good enough to win it if we get some breaks, and the following year the window is definitely open, no matter how good the other teams are.
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by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
60+
those are some lofty expectations… dont get sad when we barely make it to what we had last year because not only did the top teams get better, most of the bottom feeders are going to be better too
by Obsidian on Jul 3, 2009 4:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could actually see 60 wins happening
Portland is on the rise. They got their first dose of playoff experience. However, there’s several levels of playoff xp to be learned. They only got a taste of Round 1. Conference Finals pressure is way different than Round 1 pressure, considering your one of the Final Four, rather than the Sweet Sixteen.
And yeah, some of the bottom feeders are going to be better. Golden State, Clippers, Memphis? They all look to be marginally better, even Memphis might be a darkhorse shot at the playoffs with Mayo, Gay, Gasol, and now maybe Allen Iverson.
by tandur on Jul 3, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix will be worse
Utah won’t be any better.
Dallas and Houston will be worse. Minnesota and New Orleans will be worse.
Orlando won’t be any better.
People laughed at me last year when I predicted 55 wins. And the year before when I predicted 39 (after Greg got hurt).
We’ll win 60+, even if our only move this summer is signing Hedo. But that almost certainly isn’t our last move of the summer.
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by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the beginning
a lot of folks have said that the Blazers’ best chance at making decisive improvement would come through trade and not the free agent market. Despite the avalanche of Hedo news at the moment I still think that’s true. But what I think is best and what the Blazers actually do are sometimes different things.
However I would not give up all hope even if Portland doesn’t manage a huge FA signing.
—Dave
by Dave on Jul 3, 2009 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is a huge FA signing
There just has to be another move after the 8th. There is a reason that Outlaw and Blake’s contracts were structured the way that they are. I hate to say it, but I think that Batum or Rudy will be included in the next deal. I just don’t see how the Hedo move makes sense if there is no other move.
Of course, I didn’t see the Hedo thing coming either.
by parkinglotj on Jul 3, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took the words
outta my mouf.
I dont think that we get anythnig spectacular for just Blake and Outlaw. Batum or Rudy will probably have to pack some bags too if we really want to vault into contention.
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by Derftron on Jul 3, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we wont trade Batum
it will be Webster or Rudy. in addition to Outlaw
by raging WebTed on Jul 3, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I am a bit more optimistic it seems.
I really don’t think that the 2 of the teams, LA( Artest covers the loss of Ariza) and Denver, will improve as much as I think the Blazers will improve. If Oden shows development and his PPG spikes like 6-7 points, how much of an effect does that have? It makes him a threat that coaches have to plan for, meaning double teams, which means open shooters, you know the whole thi. My point is that the Blazers have a higher ceiling than the other teams in the West do, if you get what I mean. (I know that baseball has the WAR system to calculate wins generated by player, but is PER an identical stat?)
However, San Antonio scares the crap out of me. There are rumors that they are going after Rasheed Wallace. Just thino of how scary that lineup is. They won’t have a single glaring hole if they get him. Ugh, scary, though it seems Boston might snatch him with their Big 3 visit or whatever suck-upery they did.
If we sign Turkoglu, great, gives us a vet, what we have always needed, and you have to think that KP would blow this kind of money on another Peja Stoyakovich. If KP thinks we can contend as-is, great, but if he thinks we can’t, I know that he will do everything in his power to make sure we are.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
L*kers arent the ones that needed that much improvement
because they won the title. Were the ones that had a first round exit.
Im also wary to depend on Oden for anything at this point. Im his biggest fan, but right now he needs to show me something.
And dont think that Bynum is going to be as weak as he was in the playoffs this year. Before he got injured, he was eating people up.
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And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
by Derftron on Jul 3, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I have to say, I’m surprised how many people around here are overrating Ron Artest and what he will mean to the Lakers. If you’ve seen him play at all over the last two seasons, you know that he’s slipped BIG TIME as a defender. He used to shut down Roy and players like him, but now he can’t come close to playing him one on one. He’s lost a step on defense, and at this point he’s getting by on his reputation. There’s a reason Roy and Kobe and other guys light him up…Battier was clearly the Rockets’ best defender.
Not to mention the fact that Artest is a headcase who pounds the rock and takes terrible shots. Our best games against the Rockets often coincided with Ron Ron’s displays of absurd shot-taking. Believe me, he is not a good fit for the triangle offense. As overrated as Ariza has become over the last month or two, he was still perfect for that role on that team. A 4th or 5th option in an offense that gives you spot up threes and garbage rebounds and dunks. Mark my words, this is the best thing that LA could have done for us.
Ariza will help the Rockets, but at the end of the day, I’m glad to see that a valuable role player on the the defending champs was lost and replaced with a guy whose best days are far behind him.
Oppy
by Oppy on Jul 3, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to think along the same lines and you have stated the position well
But do you think Artest is still a head-case playing with Kobe? Reportedly LeBron wooed him as well and he has long wanted that ring.
I expect the difficulty will be Odom who played more minutes than Ariza (30 to 24) but will play fewer minutes than Artest who played 35.5 per games last year. (And speaking of head-cases Odom rates high himself). One of them has to yield minutes this year and Odom already lost minutes last year (about 25%). What do you think they will do (assuming Odom resigns).
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron-Ron wants a championship
He will do what Jackson says. He will believe that Jackson’s system works, and he will buy into it.
He will be a better player in L.A. than he would be anywhere else, because he will buy into the system.
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by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But that’s assuming a lot. Artest was in a very good position in Houston, in a system built around a number of guys who knew their roles, and he still couldn’t shake the need to jack up some terrible shots. Often. He and Kobe haven’t exactly been best friends, and now he’s in LA, with all the drama and distraction that it will provide.
The fact is, Ariza gave them absolutely everything they needed from that spot. Although he definitely became overrated by the end of the playoffs, it is true that he was a big reason they ended up winning a title. He took open shots and made them, he moved the ball in the triangle offense, he made big time defensive stops, and he cleaned up garbage on the break and in the half court. Best case scenario for the Lakers is that Ron Ron does about the same, but I honestly don’t think he is the same caliber of defender anymore, and he’s not nearly as quick to keep the ball moving or wait for a good look.
We’ll see, I guess. But personally, I’m not upset about this at all. And that’s even though I have to live in LA and listen to sports talk radio down here…
Oppy
by Oppy on Jul 3, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza is overrated
I watched him this entire season, and while Trevor does have quick hands, and good instincts on intercepting lazy passes, plus good length for backside blocks… overall, even a 30 year old Artest is a better defender than Ariza, at this point in both of their careers. Maybe in 4-5 years, when Ariza is 27-28, he will be as good as Artest is now, but the Lakers championship window is the next 3 years, not 4-5 years down the line.
Ariza also has very limited offensive capabilities. He only is able to score points on broken plays, ie weakside rebounds, loose balls, etc. or on set pieces where he is given the ball wide open. If you have access to last season’s games, I encourage you to watch some Lakers games where Ariza is starting. Anytime he failed to take the open 3 and was forced to put the ball on the floor, I’d say 4 times outta 5 he would get the ball slapped out of his hands, dribble off his own foot, or make some other JV mistake. 2 out of those 5 times, however, he got lucky and recovered the ball and made some amazing floater or passed out, but trust me, Lakers fans spent months pulling their hair everytime we saw Ariza drive.
by tandur on Jul 3, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you know what,
We have
Roy
LaMarcus
&
Oden
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
by SpyderRyder on Jul 3, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
bad move for the Lakers
If people think Hedo fooled everyone this year, no one has been following the career of Ron Artest. Don’t get me wrong, I love Ron Ron, but he is a ticking time bomb. Rick Adlemen is one of the few, if not the only, coach that can contain him. Maybe Phil 10 years ago, but not now and defiantly not Kurt Rambis. I see locker room problems happening in the first 5 minutes. Two of the biggest egos in the nba on the same team and oh yeah, they are not the biggest fans of each other. By the way, Gasol is already complaining about not getting the ball enough, between Kobe and Ron, he better turn into a David Lee over night and starting getting used to taking out the garbage. When did Jerry Buss change his last name to Jones?
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by svlittle on Jul 3, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How did you diss someone that actually wins a title with the best players...
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy, look what happend to the Lakers when they got Gary Payton and Karl Malone
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by svlittle on Jul 3, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that never had a chance
honestly, think about it. With Malone, Payton, Kobe, and Shaq, you essentially had 4 players who each individually believe they are the greatest player to ever play their position, and as such, the greatest player to ever play the game, period. So 4 players who all believe they are the G.O.A.T.? It’s amazing the Lakers even made the Finals, when you consider that.
by tandur on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have thought about, and the lakers have two guys now that think that they are the greatest of all time
Whats up with all the Kobe lovers, because last I remember Kobe blew up when he had to share the spotlight, and it will happen again. He fought with Shaq, claimed Karl Malone was hitting on his wife and drove Phil off his bench. oh yeah Kobe shoots between 25-30 times per game and Artest is right behind him. Like I said, Gasol will be mad and Artest is going to blow up. Please pay attetion to Ron Artest’s track record when not coached by Adleman. Phil is to hands off for him.
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by svlittle on Jul 3, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest thinks he's...
the greatest SF (or Wing Player) of all time? Never heard that.
by tandur on Jul 3, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he only blew up after he won 3 consecutive titles. I’m sure if Artest and Kobe won 3 titles and then everything blew up… Lakers fans would be pretty pleased.
by shoothoop on Jul 3, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reasonable people can disagree
I don’t think the Lakers got better with Ron Artest. I’ve never been an Artest fan though, so I may be biased. We’ll see how he adjusts to the triangle, and being the fourth best player on his team.
I’m wondering who it is you thought was going to give Artest more than the full MLE, which is what the Lakers gave him? Not Memphis, Toronto, or Oklahoma City. No one else besides the Blazers are under the cap. Detroit is done. So as far as I can see, no one. The MLE from a contender was the best he could hope to do, and since the Lakers just won it all, who better to sign with?
As for the Spurs, Duncan is timing out. He just can’t do eighty two games anymore before the playoffs. If Jefferson, Parker, and Ginobli can all stay healthy, they may tread water. But I’m thinking they probably win 50 games this year.
Denver is up against the luxury tax and can’t make any moves without offloading salary or going dollar for dollar over. I don’t think they improve on last year’s record, put them down for 54 again.
Houston is in a rebuilding year with Yao and McGrady both out for the first third of the season if not more. New Orleans has figured out Peja was a bad contract and Mo Pete and Butler aren’t the answer at shooting guard, plus they’re trying to dump salary to balance the books. Dallas is trying to stay relevant, but at best they’re the same team and there’s a fair chance they lose Kidd. Utah was hosed when everyone opted in.
The way I see it, the Blazers will beat Denver out for the Northwest conference title next year, and probably finish second to the Lakers in the West, regardless of whether Hedo is on the roster. I don’t consider him an upgrade over MarNicLaw, in aggregate, on either offense or defense. So I’d just as soon not see him signed.
by baduk on Jul 3, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ron-Ron
could have got more money for One year with Houston, and then probably cashed in nicely in 2010 still only being 30 years old.
He didnt like the one year offer, so he took the MLE from LA for 3 years. And he has even said publicly that he is not playing for money anymore.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
by Derftron on Jul 3, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A few disagreements
The Spurs had major injuries this year, and still won well over 50. If they stay reasonably healthy they beat 55 wins, even if Duncan doesn’t play back to backs. We may win more in the regular season. In the playoffs, they will be very, very dangerous, a legitimate threat to win it all.
Denver will improve because they will actually get to prepare for the season with Billups this year, and he probably has two more good years, maybe more. Also, Lawson is probably NBA ready and will be a nice upgrade for them at backup PG. Look for them to get 2-3 more wins this year. You are right that we will beat them out, our 60+ wins will top their 57.
Utah is treading water, they’ll probably be back up to the 54 wins they got a year ago but not more. Everyone else is in decline (Houston, Dallas, N.O., Phoenix). The power is shifting to the NW division, and we are likely the #2 seed, but third favorite (behind L.A. & S.A.) in the Western playoffs.
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by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest is
much much better than Ariza. This whole ticking time bomb thing is overrated. I just wonder how he adjusts to the triangle.
by BBG on Jul 3, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with the OP
Lakers are significantly tougher! Spurs too.
It’s like the smart people on here say, you can’t tread water in this league. The competition is going to improve.
And it looks like we have to pay a premium to get people to come here. I don’t get this. It’s super nice here! Guess the rockstars want the cosmopolitan thing. Their loss.
by Blazin' on Jul 3, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didnt
like going Hedo’s direction at first but this off-season has been crazy. Teams are just loading up. This team had to do somethng after that debacle of a first round and Hedo is a nice reliable second/third option with plenty of big game seasoning. Roy and LMA have got the ball rolling now its time for Oden to pull his weight. Its time for that “young talent” to materialize.
by BBG on Jul 3, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beautiful Post
I agree that Artest COULD be a major upgrade over Ariza, but I don’t want to discount the loss of Ariza as insignificant or believe that the transition to Artest will be a seamless one for the Lakers.
Either way, I like the Lakers and Blazers in the WCF next year. The Lakers will win, but the year after we will be very difficult to stop. Roy and Aldridge will be bona fide All Stars, as will Oden, and Turkoglu and the other players will have cemented their roles on our team.
Don’t listen to anyone that says the Lakers have the deepest or most talented team in the league. It’s close, but I still say we have the cream of the crop of young players in the league at just about every position.
In summary you might be right. We may have to wait 4-5 years. But I won’t be shocked if we win it before then or even next year if we catch lightning in a bottle. The Turkoglu signing is that big of an impact to our roster and even if it doesn’t pan out I’m willing to wait 5 years if that’s what it takes.
I’ve already waited for 20.
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by broggerboy19 on Jul 3, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheels was talking to a Sac-town radio guy
who said that he expected the Blazers to win a championship in 3 years before the Turk signing, but now the window may have been pushed “up” a year
Of course he knows all about Hedo from his days with the Kings and he “guaranteed” that Blazer fans would be fully satisfied with Turk as a player and a person
It’s time to stop the hating and embrace this guy, Blazer fans. If he decides not to sign with Portland I’ll change my tune, but the writing’s on the wall that he’s going to be a Blazer by this time next week
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gee wiz
If some Sac-town radio guy thinks we would win it all within 3 years, IT MUST BE TRUE. This is exactly why I wrote this post.
I am fully on board with Hedo. Just dont expect miracles.
The blazers will still be the funnest team to watch in the league though.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
by Derftron on Jul 3, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turkoglu can be had for nothing
but PA’s $. We can add him without giving up anything. We can then consolidate our assets of expiring contacts (Outlaw, Blake) and young cheap talent (Bayless, Batum, Fernandez) to address our other deficiencies (perimeter d, point guard play, backup PF).
I think PA saying he wants to go for it now means he is willing to spend whatever it takes to win. This is our only shot to aquire an asset for nothing so KP wants to carpe diem. We will have to overpay for Turk but in a couple of years he will likely be the 3-4 highest paid player on the roster and his skills are less likely to diminish with age since he is a player that relies more on BBIQ and not athleticism. The amount we would be paying Turk is really insignificant in a sense, the only thing that matters is what other assets we could aquire with the cap space. Even in this environment when most teams are doing everything they can to save money, it would be difficult to get a player of his status in a trade for nothing as teams still need to sell tickets and put a good product on the floor and thus are unwilling to trade a quality player for nothing in return.
by tylerdurden on Jul 3, 2009 12:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice summary and good discussion points
I like SA to be the best starting 5 if they sign ’Sheed as well (rumors have them leading). But SA does not have the depth that LA and PDX have. Denver improved with Ty Lawson as backup PG but they still need to resign Kleiza. Minnesota and OKC will not be contenders but can be spoilers – especially by end of next season. Golden State still will be tough to beat at home.
by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 1:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When I listened to Artest tonight
It so reminded me of hearing Karl Malone and Gary Payton talking about how they were more than willing to “take less money” to come to L*A in pursuit of the ultimate goal.
And I remember everyone, from national commentators to frustrated Blazer fans predicting that all the L*ker coach had to do was roll out the balls and that all-star team would win the championsip, going away.
Well, as we all know a funny thing happened along the way to the ring ceremony. It seems that these strong personalities didn’t “mesh” as well as was originally expected, and the mighty Fakers fell short and the Mailman/Glove experiment was scrapped after it’s trial run
Will Ron Artest and K*be and Paul and the rest of their teammates find harmony and peace and prosperity? Only time will tell. On paper they may look like a juggernaut, but as Casey Stengel used to say “the more I think I know about this game, the more I realize that I don’t know nothin’”
(or was that Yogi Berra?)
by two4larue on Jul 3, 2009 1:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
malone and payton were both way past it
ron artest is still good. and phil jackson worked well with dennis rodman. i think it’s really doubtful artest misbehaves. the blazers will just have to beat them on the court.
ignacio
by ignacio on Jul 3, 2009 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't this feel a little like Chicago?
Granted, the talent difference roster wise is a bit different (Chicago never had more than 3 bona-fide “stars”, and never this much talent in waiting), but look at it:
Kobe playing the role of MJ
Artest playing the role of Rodman
Gasol playing the role of Pippen… a good player who needs the proper motivation to dig deep within himself to be one of the best in the game, on both ends of the court.
by tandur on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Case for the Lakers getting worse with Artest
Forget about Artest’s personality.
Next year Ariza is the better defender. Ariza is the better athlete. He is a better help defender because of his length. It seems people have forgotten how well Ariza defended Carmelo Anthony after the first couple of games. By contrast , being physical on defense, increasingly important as Artest loses his quickness, is less valuable than it once was. And, Ariza was already a better defensive rebounder.
Artest wil not improve the Lakers offensively… at least not in the Playoffs. We have to remember that the Lakers are starting off as about as good offensively as an NBA team can get. In addition, they already have 3 or 4 better offensive options than Artest (Bryant, Gasol, Odom, Bynum). Ariza did exactly what the Lakers needed him to do in the Playoffs. While it’s fair to say that he might have gotten lucky, the fact is that he did shoot well. He punished teams for doubling the Lakers other scoring options and that was exactly what they need him to do. He also scored in transition. His effective FG% was 60%. I don’t see Artest being able to duplicate that performance. Artests effective FG% was 45% in the playoffs. He gives you slightly better playmaking skills, but the Lakers do not need that. He might shoot better in the triangle offense, but will he improve so much that he improves upon what Ariza did in the playoffs? I doubt it. Even if Artest conforms to the Lakers cultre, my guess is that he’ll take enough bad shots to make the Lakers worse.
by PoliSam on Jul 3, 2009 6:55 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The Lakers tread water with the Artest signing.
And that only if they re-sign Odom.
There isn’t a significant difference in quality that Artest brings in replacing Ariza. They’ll be about the same team next season that they were this season.
I’m not worried about anyone in the West next season. I think we’ll be the second-best team and play in the West finals.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 3, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you forgot
but Artest can’t guard Brandon Roy (remains to be seen if he can guard Hedo). We match up against the Lakers, period! As far as the arms race goes all I can say is big whoop; it’s the same every year. In case you haven’t looked at the chart recently the trendline is up. The basketball bubble hasn’t bogged us down 15-20 million dollar anchors (possible exception of Darius Miles nonsense) and we are positioned now for years of competition. The last thing I’ll say that contradicts the spirit of your excellent post concerns the development of Greg Oden; if he comes out of his shell then we are going to terrorize the league. We will be the team everyone needs to catch. There are no great centers left in the WC, just a couple of talented youngsters like Oden, Biedrins and Bynum. Oden can be the outstanding center of his generation barring a devastating injury. The glass is more than half full.
by oregonslee on Jul 3, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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