Hedo At PDX
by Ben. on Jul 2, 2009 5:12 PM PDT
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Update: Here's a link to Jason Quick's lengthy rundown of today's events.
Blazers coach Nate McMillan and Pritchard are both convinced that Turkoglu is the right piece to push the young and successful Blazers over the top and into championship contenders. Portland had 54 wins last season but was ousted in the first round of the playoffs by Houston, which suffocated Blazers stars Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge with double teams. With Turkoglu, the Blazers figure they will be a tough team to defend.
McMillan, who dined with Turkoglu on Wednesday night in Orlando, has been emphatic in his endorsement of Turkoglu, urging Pritchard to seal the deal. Pritchard meanwhile said he grew to admire Turkoglu even more this spring while watching him help Orlando reach the NBA Finals.
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The Blazers' minds are made up. Turkoglu is the one. In the hours remaining until he leaves Saturday, the team must convince Turkoglu the Blazers are the right team for him.
Oregonlive.com has posted the following video from Joel Odom.
The video shows Hedo Turkoglu's arrival to PDX; also shown are the four horsemen -- Kevin Pritchard, Tom Penn, Mike Born, and Chad Buchanan.
| Hedo Turkoglu arrives for Portland visit |
Here's a rough transcript.
On the Blazers...
"This team is built on a bunch of great young players... if things works out, I'll just be the experienced guy, being in different situations, being in different roles and trying to help those guys make the next step.
Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, they built the team around those guys.... It will be healthy for the future, for the NBA, me being added here would be the piece they've been looking for, the experienced guy on the floor that can help those guys make the next step."
Where are things now...
It's hard for me to say right now about the stiuation, I'm just happy to be here. Just see the situation, what's best for both of us. Hopefully at the end we'll have some agreement."
Is money important...
"Of course money is important. We can't kid ourselves. On the money side you have to look what's best for you basketball wise. Where you stop and then where you can continue to build on. For me coming over here is a chance for me to have that kind of run I've been having for a few years."
When do you expect a resolution...
"The sooner is better. Then I can really schedule myself this summer, where I'm going to be, where I'm going to stay, where I'm going to leave... then I'll have that commitment to get to know my teammates more. Like I said I'm just going to lay it out there and see what's good for both sides."
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Very Classy.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 2, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Greg. Even Hedo brings up his injury woes.
Hopefully Hedo signs. Pritchard has made him his #1 target and that’s good enough for me.
by Rudy4three on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am still a bit worried
But the more I think about it the more I can see it working out. In KP I trust I suppose. I just hope we don’t give him some obscene contract that ends up hurting us badly in the end
You have my axe!
by you have my axe on Jul 2, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo, a warning about Portland
It is a horrible place with much rain, unfriendly people and Canzano. Please stay in Orlando.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 2, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only that, but we don't have any pizza places.
by Corvid on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I don't think this will work"
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by Aisander D on Jul 2, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it's true
really. I saw him at PDX munching on pizza schmizza. He said it was best pizza pie in whole world. Best for my family’s future.
by oregonslee on Jul 2, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the day,
do you really want to pay your likely 4th best player 10 mill a year?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nope
he’s a quality NBA vet, but we’re missing the mark if we focus on SF and don’t solidify of our PG role
patience my son ...
by luna on Jul 2, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And at this point you do not know that PG will not be addressed.
I think that after Hedo deal is done, KP will be looking to make a PG trade.
by blzrfan1938 on Jul 2, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He would be probably the 2nd or 3rd best player in terms of his role on the team though. I think Roy is first, then it would be Hedo/LMA then Oden.
Roy will be making max contract which is around 16 a year. LMA will be right there at about 12-14 so it makes sense that Hedo should make that much.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 2, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
in comparison to what the others will be making then maybe its not to bad. I would love a three year deal vs. a 5 year though.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be our third best player
by Rudy4three on Jul 2, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have qualified
if we want to win a championship, we need Oden to be at least our 3rd best player.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need Oden to be 2nd best
Neither Hedo nor LMA is good enough to be a #2 on a title team.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll ignore the obvious LMA baiting there,
The point was that Hedo will at best be the 4th best player on a contending PDX team, behind Roy, Oden, Aldridge (in whatever order you want to place those 3).
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jksnake99 is 100% correct, though, for Greg Oden must be at least the #2 option on ...
the Portland Trail Blazers for it to be a championship team. Neither LaMarcus Aldridge nor Hidayet Turkoglu are capable of adquately filling that role. So, unless Oden become a two-way force at the pivot, Portland will be stuck with an above average team rather than a great one during the next several years.
by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bit of a double standard here.
Why can only Oden become the 2nd best player on a championship team. Why can’t Aldridge improve?
Clearly you can’t win a championship with a 2 guard as your best player, a 4 whos big enough to play the 5 and has a soft touch as your 2nd best player, a multifunctional small forward who can slide to the 4 at times, a long armed defensive wing, and your promising center well under-performing.
Oh wait….
Honestly I don’t understand why some people don’t think Aldridge can’t improve. I will tell you this right now, more than anyone on the team, Aldridge has the potential to be the most well rounded 2 way player. He has the potential to be a good defender and great on offense. The rest of our guys are more focused on one side.
Do people forget that most of our players are still 25 or under?
by Bskey on Jul 3, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Clearly you can’t win a championship with a 2 guard as your best player, a 4 whos big enough to play the 5 and has a soft touch as your 2nd best player, a multifunctional small forward who can slide to the 4 at times, a long armed defensive wing, and your promising center well under-performing.
I thought LAL have done it a month ago. :) Or its ironical?
Rudy & Nic
by k04a on Jul 3, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you count defense then yes.
Offensively he would probably be fine putting up 15 points most nights.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen guys. If we are going to win a title Oden is going to have to become the dominant
center we envisioned. Signing Hedo or letting Nic play SF doesn’t change this fact.
Oden has to become a bigtime player if we are going to win a title. That is why it isn’t worth getting so nuts over this Hedo thing. It doesn’t impact the Big 3 on the roster. If anything it will help Greg’s development
by Rudy4three on Jul 2, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% right
Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview
by JWise on Jul 2, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything it will help Greg’s development
Yep, did you see Hedo feeding Howard down low in the playoffs? Put Greg into that equation and he’ll be dunking and happy
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why was Howard complaining about not getting the ball?
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's an Orlando problem
and not for me to answer. Turk won’t be a member of the Magic, much longer
and Dwight will still be begging for more touches, next year
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got the ball....
a bunch after he complained. And I think he specifically complained about not touching it in the fourth quarter, which is a little silly.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the day,
He makes the Blazers better
by B1azerfan on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't sound
too confident that he would end up in PDX….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel otherwise
he had to catch himself a couple of times in regards to the situation
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 2, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He sounds like someone who has already decided to come here.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sounds like
someone who is comfortable coming to portland but may not have made his mind up. but this is a telling statement.
“me being added here would be the piece they’ve been looking for, the experienced guy on the floor that can help those guys make the next step”
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 2, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How quick could you respond in Turkish?
Seemed to me that he was trying to find the right words – how to best respond to the questions in English. You could be right with your assessment, but I think the language barrier is worth some consideration.
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!!!!
—K
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if anyone yelled, "DON'T DO IT, KP!!!"
I like to think I would have if I was there.
"Man, you are one pathetic loser. No offense."
by Roybot on Jul 2, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that would have been great!
NBA ♥
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jul 2, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers security better not let any fans within shouting distance
unless this whole wine-and-dine is a smokescreen.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "henchman"
would’ve been tapping you the shoulder a few moments later
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he does have those stunning good looks ...
… oh, wait. Nevermind.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Jul 2, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The billygoats must be feeling a little nervous now
Maybe try not to cross any bridges for the next couple of days . . .
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
I am going to imagine that the billygoats are the lakers. I’m also sure that Hedo could or has ended up with a girl hotter than 99 percent of people that are calling him ugly here.
by twggyy on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to share his women
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He’s really Serbian you know… (immigrant)…
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was born in Turkey
His parents are from Yugoslavia.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
He is probably better looking than half of our current team, why does everyone think he’s super uggo? Is it only the stupid facial hair? I like to think I can look deeper…
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by Sarbonis on Jul 2, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I don't see him being ugly
bit asian looking, which would make sense as eastern europe starts to blend in with asia. Perhaps the people who think he’s ugly like those guys with tons of hair gel so it’s all spiked and super bland small nosed looks.
by twggyy on Jul 2, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we're going to bring a turkish guy over,
I think we’d better stop saying things like “eastern europe starts to blend in with asia.”
that’d be a reason to go with toronto.
by LicketyBrindle on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEAR HEAR
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
by Sarbonis on Jul 3, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
but they are adjoining. It’s like California and Oregon. Northern California is culturally more like Oregon than southern California. They blend together. I’m sure there are places in eastern Europe and western Asia where the cultures become an amalgamation of both.
by twggyy on Jul 3, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what I meant was
that I am sure there is a gradient between what we consider European culture and what we consider Asian culture, rather than a sharp line. I believe that Turkey is within that area of change in fact , here is a quote from the wiki on what is called eastern europe
“Turkey may be included into Southeastern Europe, Southern Europe, or Western Asia.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe
If you can call Turkey Southeastern Europe or Western Asia then I imagine that is place where Eastern Europe and Asia are blending together, rendering assumptions about both terms and what they represent to Americans moot.
by twggyy on Jul 3, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to most of the girls I know
We have a very attractive team. Seems to be that Rudy and Nic especially are putting the female butts in the seats;)
I wanna be Brandon Roy when I grow up!
by dagraffman on Jul 3, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
I was exaggerating when I said ‘half’ when I really meant ‘Steve Blake, Greg Oden and Michael Ruffin.’
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
by Sarbonis on Jul 3, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Ruffin has an amazing face.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do proboscis monkeys
Amazin does not always equal good lookin
"you rock, sir" -prezofdeath
"You can add me to the list of those who think you rock" -Mortimer
"you rock
see above" -Zaron5551
"you still rock, sir." -Zaron5551
by Sarbonis on Jul 3, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially with the beard
Steve certainly was not doing himself any favors rockin’ the “Homeless guy at the MAX stop” look.
My gf would also like it to be known that Joel is at least as hot as our foreign contingent.
I wanna be Brandon Roy when I grow up!
by dagraffman on Jul 3, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom
Odom’s brother is working for the Oregonian now?
by Balian on Jul 2, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how there was nobody at the airport. In comparison to when Rudy arrived.
by Rudy4three on Jul 2, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy arrived as a signed and drafted player, and they announced when he would be in, completely different situation.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give It Up Folks
I was a very strong opponent to Turkoglu, but it looks like its all but a done deal. HE WILL BE A TRIALBLAZER.
I hope it will work out for us. Perhaps we will finally have a person that could run the pick and roll. Perhaps he could teach our players.
by Balian on Jul 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that like someone we sign temporarily to see how they fit?
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'm moving on
from “don’t do it” to “okay, let’s see how this works and see which of our FOUR 3’s get traded.”
by sagcat on Jul 2, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will soon need some
Turkish fans now to translate as our great Spanish fans do.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe he speaks Serbian with his family.
by Sonic Boom on Jul 2, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this will be AWESOME for us internet game-watchers!!!
Turkish TV will show Blazers games! Right on!
by LicketyBrindle on Jul 2, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Yea, and I think the Blazers just gained 70 million new fans.
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they should make a deal for
Yi Jianlian?
if gaining international fans is the “goal”?
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine
I’m trying to think about what this community would do when Yi was ahead of LMA in voting for the All-Star Game…
by dprodigy19 on Jul 2, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for him
I’m sure he has seen the polls and how much blazer fans DON’T want him.
But I still maintain this is a bad move. Lots of risk, very little reward.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sick of the negativity!
I’m salivating about Roy, Hedo, LA and Oden on the court together (add Rudy and that’s our sexy clutch 4th quarter line-up)
With Roy and Hedo handling the ball, who cares who our point guard is.
If KP wants him, so do I. Get the man a Rovente pizza, sign him and let’s put together a championship run.
by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jul 2, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
THANK YOU!
I just put almost the same thing up above you at the same time, lol
Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview
by JWise on Jul 2, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
All this negativity it making our fan base look like the Bulls or something. I hate seeing people hate on a player like this. How far did this guys team get in the playoffs?? How far did ours get??
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 2, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not hating on Hedo at all... really don't know him well,
though obviously learning a lot about him lately. Really, it is more about liking what we got enough to not make such a disruptive (in my mind) move and give up on guys I am not near ready to give up on… I really LIKE our team PERSONALLY, so I’m real heslitant about changes. I know everyone does not feel that way, just an opinion, but hate aint involved.
by Berkeley on Jul 2, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t think most of the anti-Hedo sentiment is based on him as a person/his abilities as a player. It’s all about price tag and the near certainty that at least two of Rudy/ Batum/Martell/Travis will be wearing another jersey next season, because that is too many wing players for this roster. I guess we’ll all have to wait and see…
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
by blazeraddict on Jul 2, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's because we're scared we'll turn into the Bulls
Young teams adds expensive old guy and bad things follow.
- Carl
by tominhawaii on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for you!
If Hedo joins the Blazers, I think it will turn out to be a very good thing. He just may be the piece we’ve been missing. Plus, I seriously doubt that he’d be the only new player we add this year. I think there’s still a new PG coming our way.
by kuhnsmith on Jul 2, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget that play
where we can slip Outlaw on the court as a 6th player for that added clutch shooter.
by LaughingJon on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Greg, not Travis, who wasn't supposed to be on the floor.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jul 2, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes...
Ok I may not be the biggest supporter of Hedo, but at this point we should just support it and look at the positive stuff that will come from this. First of all our offensive lineup will be sick and to have a guy at 6’10" who can handle the ball like a PG is a real benefit.
Red Hot and Rolling
by BlazerFan88 on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like a good guy from all I know about him
Good Bball IQ, good locker room guy, and seems to enjoy playing for winning teams. If we sign him, im going to love him just like I love every other Blazer player. I am a fan of this team above all else. Roy, Hedo, Aldrige and Oden sound like a DAMN good team to build around to me.
Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview
by JWise on Jul 2, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks for putting this up by the way.
NBA ♥
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jul 2, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1 week from now we will all embrace Turk like we do every other Blazer. im sure of it
by proaxis on Jul 2, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I want to see them play together before the embracing.
NBA ♥
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jul 2, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like it is time to give up
but not on the Blazers, just on all the melodramatic lamenting. Seriously. I was not the biggest fan of getting Hedo, but it looks like it is going to happen. The good news: there is no way this is the final move of the offseason. Our log jam a SF just got way worse, so something else has to go down.
by unemployedreflection on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is how I'm starting to view it as well
A package of wings (Batum, Rudy, Travis, and, to a lesser extent due to his depressed value related to the injury, Martell) and salary filler will be used to get a PG. Otherwise this makes no sense
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
by blazeraddict on Jul 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The strongest part of his game is basketball IQ, something someone we all know lacks.
by Balian on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
they brought him in on a commercial flight (Horizon from Seattle). Uh, where was Blazer1?
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Nate fly with him?
They were both in Orlando together yesterday, right?
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Times are tough in this economy
Everyone has to pull their own weight.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind him, but if we pick Hedo up, I would like to get rid or Travis and Martell.
Rudy, Hedo, Batum,
by CoffeeBean on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There very well could be a trade pending on whether Portland lands Turk. It could be the starting of a domino effect in trades KP has lined up.
by Jaedin on Jul 2, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would
be really tough to trade martell with an injury.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 2, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
Maybe, just maybe, at least get rid of travis
I want rudy to be our 6th man
by CoffeeBean on Jul 2, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be impossible
Say goodbye to Travis..
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign Hedo
Next move is trade Travis + (Blake or Bayless) + (Webster or Rudy or Batum) for the best point guard we can get (maybe even Harris).
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martells Jerseys 50% off coincidence
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well just unplug the TV/internet for a day or so...
and wait to see. My brain is melting from checking 18 different websites/blogs 87 times a day, listening to 95.5 in the morning/evening commute, Hedo Hedo HEDO!!!
I really don’t know what to think. On the one hand I love the team we have now and there are definite concerns. On the other, it’s not like the Blazer brass are ignorant to the concerns. If we as fans are aware of his limitations and the potential downsides, obviously they are as well.
And at the end of the day, it’s their job to make the tough decisions. It’s ours to love and support the team that they put on the floor.
Who knows, maybe he comes maybe he doesn’t, maybe he’s the missing piece maybe not, as for me, it’s hot, I have tomorrow off, and there’s a cold beer somewhere with my name on it.
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by pdxrob on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"maybe he comes maybe he doesn’t"
Shoulda said, maybe Hedo maybe Hedon’t…
by undutchable on Jul 2, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec
because some day, after I’m totally sick of it, I’ll think back and say I heard that pun for the first time back in ought nine at Blazers Edge.
by levelhed on Jul 2, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm for this guy, if not for the improving of the team
think of all the things you can do with his name. It rhymes with everything.
Hedo libido. Kung Fu Turkoglu. It’d double my game thread post count.
by undutchable on Jul 2, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio
I wouldn’t mind if the Trailblazers trade all their assets for Rubio. He will be ready in three years. We have time because we really don’t need a true point guard with Hedo and Roy.
by Balian on Jul 2, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
here's "the long-term plan"
KP will trade Rudy and Hedo for Rubio, in about 2 years
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, welcome our new Turkish overlord.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 2, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I laughed out loud.
And it really want that hard to type that sentence out. :p
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 2, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
if we sign another Turkish guy, we could call it the Ottoman Empire…
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
by blazeraddict on Jul 2, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Turkish Delight
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have drafted Casspi
Then we could have added Israel to our empire.
by KitIsh on Jul 3, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were right the first time.
KP has a lot of shoes.
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't sound very authentic
or convincing. Dubious.
by oregonslee on Jul 2, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's he supposed to say?
He’s probably in the middle of negotiations. Coy is required here.
by levelhed on Jul 2, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what I like better....
Hey-don’t or He-DOH!
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Embrace success
How about: S U P E R G L U E !
Think that name could stick, as he helps lead us to a championship?
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it!
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if
a month from now we end up with hedo and hinrich. i would be pretty excited
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope when season starts
all you haters get shut up for good and start supporting this team and the management
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and most of hedo
hmmm didnt know he was serbian…hmmmm
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His parents
immigrated from Serbia to Turkey. He was born in Turkey, but they speak Serbian at home.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His home town in Turkey
is one of the most diversified cities in the world.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh wow
you learn something new everyday, i know lot of serbs in p town, so im guessing he isnt muslim not that it matters
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 2, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or he is
and that’s why his parents immigrated to Turkey.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh maybe
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 2, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Hedo Muslim?
I MUST KNOW
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't matter
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Jul 2, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If so, cool. Some more diversity in our lovely little team.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jul 2, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very complex ethnic situation in in that part of the world
They have grudges that go back to WW2 and others that go back 1000+ years. I would guess he was raised Christian if he speaks Serbian but I think that it aint nobody’s business but his own.
by southern oregon on Jul 2, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that!
Everyone just shut up and blindly follow along like sheep. Don’t ask questions, dont look a few years down the road, just march!
Hey these aren’t showers!!!!
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
so are you turning on Blazer management?
no soup for you!
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
You don’t have to turn on leadership in order to question it. I just think everyone should think for themselves instead of blindly following along.
Great soup nazi quote by the way. Probably not many opps to drop that one.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, this is as serious as the holocaust.
by twggyy on Jul 2, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's not equating them.
He’s just mocking the “stop questioning authority!” crowd. And it’s well deserved.
by sagcat on Jul 2, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question authority, yes.
But Kevin Pritchard is not our authority figure. As fans we’ll support anyone who joins the team.
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
when “star-bellied” Blazer fans fans were questioning KP’s decision to pass on DeJuan Blair, we were told that “KP knows best”
Now that “plain-bellied” Blazer fans are questioning KP’s decision to bring in Turk, the shoe’s on the other foot, eh?
Dr. Seuss made things so much easier to understand…
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+92
The good doctor rocks!
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
Yeah absoluteley not equating the two, just the frame of mind. It bewilders me that shepeople just say “In KP we trust” just because of past decisions he’s made. Every personality in the world is evolving, to think that KP’s isn’t evolving as well is absurd. The question is wether or not he’s headed in the right direction. This is his first Veteran addition. Lets see how it plays out BEFORE we defend it.
Not to hammer a bad analogy into the ground or anything but I can’t help myself…….
Wasn’t Adolf the TIME person of the year before, well, you know.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time Magazine's Person (then Man) of the Year award
has never been a pat on the back. It just means the person who made the biggest impact on the news/society/world/whatever that year. Hitler probably deserved it for several years…
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could support the team
and feel that KP knows better, he knows a lot more than most people here, and still not be the type of person that follows blindly. I would always question authority when it has serious real life consequences, but I am trusting in KP, because its basketball and he’s part of my team.
by twggyy on Jul 3, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
assuming we sign hedo
what would we have to give up to get hinrich?
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blake, outlaw, and a first unprotected for next year
because lets face it… we dont need no more lottery picks and wel throw in couple seconds and cash
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 2, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
maybe the rights to Victor Claver?
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk I highly doubt is going anywhere at this point, I don't think they do it for Trout/Blake/Pick with Gordon gone...
I think we’d have to throw Rudy out there
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno from what I saw Gordon do last year in the playoffs seems the same as what Travis would do for them. All kinds of crazy off balance shots that look like they went up with a prayer. Just like Travis likes :)
by Jaedin on Jul 2, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Kirk played "crazy D" the whole postseason, & they have no backcourt mate for Rose w/o him...
also, Salmons is already manning the PF spot, again, I hope I’m wrong on this one, I’d love Kirk
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah they would, Blake. I guess I just don’t see it as impossible, anything could happen and different GM’s could have a different value for certain types of players. You never know what KP might offer if they land Turk. I for one would be against trading Batum. Way too much potential in that kid. He’s one of those you let bake in your own oven.
by Jaedin on Jul 2, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Kirk is unlikely to be dealt
Jaynes and Geoffrey Arnold had a heated discussion on Takin’ Ball tonight re: Hinrich vs Miller. Dwight’s face was getting pretty red! Check it out if Comcast re-airs it later
I was making all kinds of noise re: dealing for Cap’n Kirk at the Feb deadline, but KP held onto the RLEC. Right now I don’t think the Bulls are that interested in trading him. And no, I wouldn’t put Rudy into a deal for Hinrich. The only PGs that I’d deal Rudy for are CP3, D-Will, Parker, DEVIN HARRIS or Ricky Rubio (but I’d make Kahn wait a year or two and squirm, first)
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid, stupid, stupid
Who was pro Miller? Who was pro Hinrich?
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't you guess?
First of all, Dwight started talking about Devin Harris, and Arnold shot him down (“why would NJ do that? blah, blah, blah”)
Then Arnold started talking about MIller as a penetrator, and Dwight said he couldn’t shoot and how Hinrich was a great defender in the playoffs and his parting shot to Arnold was “you couldn’t have been watching the Chicago-Boston series if you don’t think Hinrich is a lock-down defender!”
(Meanwhile, poor Jim Fasero was stuck in between them while Arnold and Jaynes were leaning over the table and wagging their fingers at each other)
High drama at The Regency. It should be required viewing for all Bedgers
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian Firness read part of an email I wrote at the end of that show,
although it was aimed at Pasero for his UO football uniform rant. THey didn’t read my blazer related stuff. Oh well.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think portland and istanbul's weather are very similiar
ya most players coming over on the nicest day of the year, it wouldnt be fair but not in this case
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if he lost a few teeth he would look like anyother unshaven nw native
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
L*ker fan go home
merge onto I-5 and stay there, for 18 hrs
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shaving is for Californians.
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever
I hope its not a long term deal. I don’t hate Hedo, he’s a good player, but it sure looks like we’ll be badly overpaying for him.
We better improve our D somehow though.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
more $ more problems
What do you think Aldridge is worth? Is he overpaid?
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres the plan
we bring in experienced scorers who dont play d and then back them up with rookies who can develop into devensive stoppers to back up all our high paid guys.
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Logjam at small forward?
- If Hedo signs, Hedo starts.
- If Martell returns 100% and plays anywhere near his training-camp level last season, he’s the backup.
- Nic would be scrounging for minutes like a junkyard dog looking for food.
- If KP can’t unload Travis, things could get really interesting.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trout + Blake + Nic - Koponen - Freeland = Nash.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nash Harris
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much preferred, but more more less likely.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make it Trout + Rudy + Bayless then.
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't have to convince me...I'm on board.
I’ll say it.
I’d trade Roy for LeBron.
I’d trade LaMarcus for Chris Bosh.
I’d trade Oden for Dwight Howard.
I’d trade Rudy for Manu.
If the other guys are better and not horribly offensive, game on. I’d be sad to see some of my favorite guys go, but I’d be even happier to compensate if they build a championship team.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my boy
it would be sick if KP could pull that off
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Nash...you mean bring in another ball-handler and non-defender?
where do I sign up?
I like the idea of Nash as a 3 point shooter, but Steve+Roy+Hedo = 3 chiefs and not enough “Indians”
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Turkey is close to India
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's an "expression" OK?
and probably not a very “PC” one, these days
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Closer maybe. Just feel like being a snit.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As close as Portland is to Orlando
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something like that
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Nash if we keep Bayless
Elder statesman / mentor role.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't have both Nash and Jerryd on the Blazers
unless you add another hefty salary (like Joel?) to Blake and Outlaw
without the cap-space it’s just not feasible to talk about Nash (13+ mil/year)
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a bowl of candy for breakfast
Nash may be fun, but he’s not good for this team (and the team isn’t good for him).
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic is a much bigger part of this team's future than Martell, regardless of Martell's health
Rookie Nic was better than 3rd year Martell.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly. Martell is the one on the outside looking in.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Nate say Martell would be the starter when he returns?
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to all the trouble to write that vague recollection.
YOU look it up.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he said battum would be, Martell Jersey 50% off Coincidence?
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 2, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Marty signed that extension
so even if’ he’s only used as a 3pt specialist he’s still gonna get paid
but if he wants out in 6-12 months, KP will obligue him
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’ve made the point multiple times that New Jersey might dump Harris to have more room in 2010. Why wouldn’t Chicago have the same agenda?
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Bulls are trying to win in 2009-2010
New Jersey is trying to dump salary in preperation for the FA market
I know you’re still holding out hope for Kirk, and last week he said Portland was after him, but that was before Gordon went and signed with the Pistons. To get Cap’n Kirk now will cost KP “extra” because they don’t “need” to deal him. And I’m not going to put Rudy or Batum into that deal to get Chicago to cough him up
Remember, KP and Nate really like Blake…even if Blazer fans are tepid re: his game
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the Bulls were trying to win in 2009-2010, they would have kept Gordon.
There have been rumors that Wade would return to Chicago, his home. I see no reason to believe that they are less likely to dump salary than New Jersey… especially when considering New Jersey has a better player on a cheaper contract.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Trading away Nic would make me very, very upset. People have to see the player he’s becoming. He’s got the length, the attitude, the raw skills, the attention to D…
Three years from now we’ll either be laughing that we ever considered trading Nic or lamenting that we did it.
His favorite player and role model is Pippen, fergodssakes. untouchable.
by sagcat on Jul 2, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum
over Webster. All day, every day. If webster can play, he’s gone at teh deadline
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 2, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum for Nash straight up NO!!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Allergic to finished product players?
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, I'm guessing you wouldn't trade Bayless for Nash straight up either
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm, I am in the camp that would be like Cuban trading Devin for Kidd a few years back
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There would be a risk for sure, I agree. But I think the window is now while everyone is healthy and happy. Bad stuff happens. Baby Bulls.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the window being open, but I just think there's gotta be a better move than that, Nash will be 36 by the time playoffs start next year,
that’s ancient by pg standards, and the new hand check rules mean Jerryds got so much potential in this league, this team is a lot more talented than the Baby Bulls ever were (in my humble opinion)
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
travis, marty, blake,
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on Jul 2, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Travis for 82 games of sanity.
Which the Blazers are much more likely to provide for me with him gone.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is finished, alright
or at least almost
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finished?
15 points, 10 assists, and the 6th best Hollinger stats PG in the league? 12th in the league (2nd among guards) in TS%? Our guy last year didn’t make the top 20 on the PG PER list.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For how long?
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win a championship in the next 2 years.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so...but I doubt it
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally ....if he did win one
it would be his first. He never won a ring when he was in his prime…what makes you think he will win one now
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much better constructed overall team, not a gimmick.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has played on a lot of teams
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I can say with 100% confidence that Blake will never get within a mile of any of those stats in any year of his career.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we could get a team like TOR to do a "sign & trade" with a guy like Kidd/Bibby for us, and then trade Outlaw for him, I wouldn't mind sacrificing Trout for a real shot this year
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't open up enough $ for Kidd.
If you wanted to do that, just give Outlaw to the Grizz or someone like that.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still on Nash?
He’d be an improvement, but, PER doesn’t take into account: 1st: Continued descent due to age 2nd: The fact his PER #‘s are inflated by the system he’s in 3rd: We still are weak on perimeter “D,” and this doesn’t help our biggest weakness…
I don’t believe its definately a guarentee to get a ring in the next 2 years either, look at the talent Nash had around him a few years back, and he couldn’t do it then, despite being a better player (due to his youth)
Not saying he’s bad, but to give up too much for him could EASILY turn into Devin for Kidd
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every possible direction is a risk at this point.
Standing pat = risk that they don’t develop to championship caliber.
Signing FA = risk of overpaying for cost / duration.
Making Trade = risk of sending too much talent out.
I just prefer the action rather than stay and pray. I can respect the other opinions though, don’t get me wrong.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I here you on "everything we do is a risk,"
but the trading of Jefferson to the spurs, Lakers about to sign Artest, trading Shaqu for peanuts, ect., I’d characterize as really, really, low risks…
I’ve just keep thinking KP can do a move like one of these, or at least an “anti-Hedo” move, in the sense that BE readers will be majority-wise “psyched.”
the more I think about it, the more I’d be shocked if KP doesn’t know something more than us on either A.) Bayless’s Development Potential B.) PG trade possibilities out there right now
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a similar move were available to Portland, I'm sure they'd take it.
But I don’t think they liked Jefferson and would never risk bringing in Artest.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate said Steve's "tough"
but with the cap-space gone (after Turk signs) there’s not enough “extra” salaries to put together to add up to Nash’s 13,125,000
Outlaw+Blake+Bayless = 9,743,080 × 125 +100k = 12,179,850
(And no, I’m not putting Rudy or Nic into that deal to up the ante!)
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do traded rights to Euros make it work?
They’re like $800k apiece, Claver more.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I asked storyteller about that
the rights to unsigned Euros count as $0 when included in any deal
I don’t think they could sign Pendergraph or Cunningham and deal them right away, either
Nash’s salary is out of reach, unless they leave 1+ mil.in capspace leftover when signing Turk. Much depends on that 2009 NBA salary cap# to be released on 7/7
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
82 play-off games of experience, think that might help?
Does anyone know how many playoff games of experience our current roster has under their belts? Just thinking Superglue’s 82 playoff games of experience could go a long way to helping us be more successful in the post season. Any thoughts?
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Next Move?
so once Hedo signs, then what is the next move?
lots of BErs figure blake and trout are gone,
maybe for Haslem from Miami? Solves the backup 4, adds more front line experience (with a ring) and saves over 1.5mil, trade machine says it works, but don’t know if that is really accurate.
That, of course, leaves the pg really thin with Bayless and Peppermint, unless Rudy is going to be on the floor with BRoy and Turkey for 30 mins…
by DucRider on Jul 2, 2009 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, next move has to be for a good PG.
With Hedo signed, we have even more trade pieces (the guys he could replace).
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next Move after Hedo Signing
We do a sign and Trade with Phili for Miller, give them Blake and Outlaw We then Trade Rudy and the rights to Claver to Mini for Kevin Love
Line Up
Pryz/ Oden
LA/ Love
Turk/ Battum
Roy/ Martell
Miller/ Bayless
Love also plays center so this helps when Pryz leaves
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 2, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does Miller fit in?
I dont really see how Portland really needs Miller, can you elaborate?
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just based it on the earlier rumor
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 2, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP shot down that rumor
someone texted KP about Andre MIller and KP said “no”
Wrong fit, Roy and Hedo will be the set-up guys, the Blazer’s “PGs” will need to hit the 3
What we all were “hoping for” re: a new playmaking PG is being filled by a Turk
maybe KP will bring in a 3rd PG who can defend and shoot, but either Blake starts at PG or they’ll go with the Roy-Rudy-Turk-LMA-Oden “daddy-long-legs” lineup
Matches up pretty well with L*A’s tall front court (Odom, Gasol, Bynum) eh?
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't hit the three rules Harris out.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, we don't want any young, top elite PGs on this team
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, apparently not!
Don’t you see Harris’ poor career 3-pt shooting as a deal-killer for us?
by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not
a good 3 pt shooter is desirable, but Harris is 26 and an allstar for goodness sakes! If you have a chance to get him, you get him.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are exactly correct.
I think in KP’s mind Hedo and Roy mean a top flight PG is unnecessary. We just need a PG who can hit the three and bring the ball upcourt. I really doubt we make any more moves other than maybe bringing in a defensive specialist at either PG or PF.
I really think Hedo will make Oden better, take some of the pressure off of Brandon on the offensive end which will allow him to concentrate on defense a little more. The combo of those two things will make us better.
While not totally in love with this, I completely understand the move and think it will benefit the Blazers.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jul 3, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will be no next move.
I bet my next paycheck Blake is still the starting PG when training camp rolls around.
by jenstcy on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think many (I'm sure some are) are denying that Hedo is not a quality NBA Vet
It’s the freakin’ 50M offer that is driving me crazy… If this were a three year contract then I actually see great potential in this signing. Those extra two years just sink the team though. It will be the bad contract we have to beg someone to take later.
by Sonic Boom on Jul 2, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Raef just come off our books?
His contract was the same thing. When it was signed it was slightly too high, but then as he got older and couldn’t play his contract literally became a joke around the league (how many times did Bill Simmons mention it?). This contract will be untradable so we’ll be stuck with him. Hedo can’t play defense, which is what we really need. It’s like we’re ignoring everything that happened during the regular season (us needing perimeter D) and looked at what happened in the playoffs and overreacted. Overpaying for the top free agent who doesn’t fix our biggest problem doesn’t seem like a KP move.
Also, in the finals Ariza was able to shut him down and now the l*kers have Artest who will do the same thing. He can be shut down if the refs let a physical defender go at him, which is exactly what happens in the playoffs (especially if he’s wearing yellow and purple). I made the point in another thread that he’s like Blake in a sf body. Next season we’ll be complaining about his fault just like we did this last year with Blake, except he’ll be making $10 mil and expected to be the final piece to the puzzle.
by terryisntbald on Jul 2, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's shutting down Hedo
he ain’t shutting down Roy. And Kobe can’t guard Roy.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 2, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I have been wrong before
I hope Hedo proves me wrong
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on Jul 2, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Give it some time and opinions will change
It sure sounds to me like a done deal with Hedo; and I for one couldn’t be happier! For 2 seasons now the Blazers weakest positions were SF and PG. Remember, we’re only a few years out of having Ime Udoka – not even invited to our training camp – yet end up as our year long starter. Ime’s nice, but he barely sniffed any PT in San Antonio, and he’s a reliable 3rd string player on any quality playoff team.
Have we improved there? Travis is still Travis – meaning he seems unable to play the 3, and relies on his athleticism to get his shot off against bigger, slower 4s. He simply isn’t our answer at the SF spot.
Martell? Well, if (and that’s a HUUUGE if) he can come back 100% healthy he still has never really proven anything. Yeah, yeah he has promise, and I’m not counting him out, but I don’t have any faith that he’s the guy to help take us deep into the playoffs…at least not yet.
Batum? We all need to settle down a bit on Nic. Yeah, he was way farther along than many of us thought, but his offensive game is really raw, and while he’s been a great hustle defender, I don’t think he’s really at that “lock down” status quite yet.
Basically, I’d rather have Hedo with Webster and Batum backing him up, than what we got going now.
As to the PG problem…well, hopefully that will be addressed by KP with a trade. I really don’t feel comfortable with Blake, Bayless, and Patrick Mills as our guys.
BUT, I think we can trade Outlaw and one other piece (maybe Blake) to and get a legitimate starting PG. Sure that puts a lot of pressure on Bayless to step up, and I’m still holding out hope he can be our PG of the future. Bayless (a PG with SG skills) + Roy (a SG with PG skills) just might = a dominant backcourt.
So I say, lock up Hedo, even for 5 years. That makes us contenders right away, and gives us time to see if Martell can stay healthy or Batum can continue to grow and develop. Acquire another PG and hope that he can fill in long enough to see if Bayless can learn the ropes.
by the_mad_nader on Jul 2, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have summed up my thoughts
just about point for point, something I am too lazy to do. Thank you for posting this.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope we trade martell
yeah i loved his training camp, flying to the basket all over the place change in offense but that was PRACTICE, im afraid with the injury he wont have the cajones to take it to the rim and well see the same old standing in the corner waiting for a 3 play that i didnt like for how many years now. i think id rather have travis
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he has negative trade value right now.
Owed money, injury issue.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im guessing any pg moves wont be untill bayless leads all scorers again in vegas
by riccc_l on Jul 2, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm thinking they won't bring in a new starting PG
for a couple of reasons
1) Hedo and Brandon can handle the ball, add a stud PG and there’s too many guys who need the rock
2) Blake shoots 40% from downtown and can help spread the floor (Steve Kerr, John Paxson, etc)
3) Rudy needs minutes, a lineup of Roy-Rudy-Hedo-LMA-Greg would be long and unguardable
4) They’re still high on Jerryd Bayless
KP will probably add a veteran #3 PG (Lindsay Hunter, etc) and a veteran big man and call it good
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team Improvement: I keep thinking KP knows we must need a PG if this Hedo signing makes any sense,
and I’m holding out hope that he & Nate have seen stuff in Jerryd that makes them believe he can be a significant contributer by playoff time…guys have improved by sophmore year at that position
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PG traits
We don’t necessarily need the high scoring . Sure, points are good, but in a PG – we need the passing and high bball IQ that can lead the team.
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Hedo, we need "D" out of our pg more than ever
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is weak on defense, that's definately not why we are paying him...
Hedo, Roy, & Blake have to be at the 1-3 spots has to be one of the weakest perimeter defensive units in the whole league
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Some experience would do us good overall – i think. would love to see some games with those 3 to prove themselves, and see if your theory is right. D is definitely important.
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
zone defense is legal
My theory is they’ll pack the paint with all that length and dare the opponents to beat them with 3 pointers. Increased BBIQ will also help, breakdowns in team defensive rotation assignments should be fewer with more veteran experience and less Outlaw
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a really poor record
I vote against Team D
by as11osu on Jul 2, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is eerie. Now we have our aging veteran to sign to a huge contract…………. are we the 2006-2007 Bulls?
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, I recall when people thought John Paxson was a great up-and-coming front office executive.
How’d that turn out?
Oh, uh, now I remember …
by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, AK, if we ended up with Turkoglu and Hinrich, would be that be a net negative or positive for you?
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A defensive minded PG....
makes everything OK.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if Pritchard pulled an Andres Nocioni
KP still comes out on top because he didn’t spend 95 million dollars on Ben Wallace and Nocioni when there were no other bidders.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note, I figured that either Paul Allen and/or Nate McMillan was behind the initial drive to sign ...
Hedo Turkoglu. Oh, and by the way, if McMillan plays Turkoglu extended minutes at power foward like he did with Vladimir Radmanovic back in the day, then I will call for his head. For whatever asinine reason, McMillan enjoys playing soft combo forwards at the 4 — such as Radmanovic, Travis Outlaw, et al. — yet, despite that fatal flaw in his coaching style, countless people still deem him to be a defensive wizard.
Why?
I just don’t get it … I don’t get it one bit.
by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its a combination of the low scored (due to slow pace) and the reputation he had as a defensive player
I’m a long way from calling for Nate’s head, but I might get there if the Blazers aren’t playing better defense next year than they did for much of this past year.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
our defense was much better in the second half
we were what, mid 20s pre-allstar and 14th at the end of the season?
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 2, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
veteran experience and treachery
will overcome youth and skill
Seriously, the length > strength lineup wil make it tough for all of those midget PGs to see over
Pack the paint, make ’em shoot over the top. This defensive pilosophy has served Phil Jackson well
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Still, we were a better defensive team than what… 20 other teams in the league? Top third isn’t bad.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Nate
so what do you think, its a contract year for Nate if this move becomes a bad one does he keep his job?
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 2, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
people still deem him to be a defensive wizard.
People like…Coach K and the redeem team?
(Ahem, your ex-Sonics rancor is showing, again)
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but to his point
Isn’t international ball choc full of soft combo 4’s?
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luis Scola
Heck, when Bynum’s in the game, Gasol fits that category
length > strength
In the 70s, everybody had to have a tall PG to matchup with Magic Johnson
now, “the triple towers” front court seems to be en vogue
the winners will be copied, this is true of any pro sport
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Pritchard is out smarting himself. We don't need Hedo. Outlaw is the same player only more clutch.
Hedo will average 11 ppg with the Blazers. He’s a declining player.
I had a feeling Portland would rush this and blow everything instead of just letting the team grow. Sending Sergio to a west team now adding a 4th small forward. We don’t need Hedo. We need someone like Artest who actually can play defense.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 2, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have to disagree, Travis was only good for setting up his shot, Hedo brings a higher BBIQ and setup ability for other players, Travis may be more “clutch” but Hedo uses his skills more fully and can set others up to get the free open shot, Travis rarely brought that if ever. It was few and far between.
by Jaedin on Jul 2, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw hasn't been in the league for 10 years like Hedo. In 3 more season you don't think Outlaw will be better than Hedo?
Why do you think Kings traded him? Why did San Antonio and Orlando not resign? There is a reason, I hate this move. I hope I’m wrong. We better not trade away anyone for this guy.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 2, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Outlaw will ever have a stabalizing veteran presence on a team.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is a talented player. So many games we won because when Roy was resting Outlaw was making shots.
The best move Pritchard made was clearing space for Bayless to play. Trading him in our conference was stupid. If we traded Outlaw I know it would come back to haunt us. You don’t give talent like that away just because we get Hedo. KP better not.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And punch some fans? Nelget his dog? Beat his wife?
by blakeisgold3000 on Jul 2, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is nelget his dog???
I don’t know, but it doesn’t sound fun.
by jenstcy on Jul 2, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo will average 11 ppg with the Blazers
If Turk averages 4 assists/game and helps Oden average 15+ppg, I could definitely live with that
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what
Does Turkoglu move over to power forward when LaMarcus is out? If Travis is gone, is Turk good enough to be a combo forward? I don’t think so.
by Monochromo on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he's wearing one earring
The Princess of Blazersedge
by BlazerFan1 on Jul 2, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
hedo
not the best defender, but wow will our starting lineup have some firepower, especially with rudy and martell coming off the bench. martell and batum can pick up the slack on defense for hedo
by goblazers503 on Jul 2, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
After Hedo hits a layup in the 3rd quarter against the cavs, and then we are trotting back on D, I don't know how Martell or Batum will be able to pick up the slack for Hedo when he has to cover Lebron
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
maybe turk would have helped us last year on offense against the rockets. instead of the blazers playing 4 on 5 offensively with roy having to score 40 to win,…
by goblazers503 on Jul 2, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was an award at Blazer's Edge for Most Improved Poster, then I'd vote for you TEHoF2018.
by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an admission to make, I am visiting my brother from MO, and when the internet pops us, it automatically goes to his log in...
so I have been writing the last 24 hours, including a hyperbolic rant, you can thank me for introducing my very humorous brother to the BE community though, lol
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake > Miller
I dont really understand KP’s strategy with bringing in Andre Miller after acquiring Hedo. With Hedo and Roy creating and possibly GO and LA commanding double teams, doesnt the PG position really need to be able to shoot the three?
I think Portland could play Fernandez/Roy/Turk alot together as others have mentioned and this is something that worked in Orlando.
I think a good defending/good three point shooter is all the Blazers need from the PG position now….So Hinrinch fits the bill perfectly. Of course, now that Gordon’s in Detroit, it might take Fernandez to get the deal done..
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kidd or Bibby? I don't see why we can't get one of them in a sign and trade...
TOR or ATL I think would love to get Blake & Outlaw, they’ve got cap room, and they could facilitate a “sign & trade” with 1 of those guys I would think…If it was all planned out, I think either 1 of those guys would be excited to join the rest of the PDX roster
Hinrich would be even better, I agree though, I think it would take Rudy
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PDX might go crazy, but Hinrich for Rudy would, in my mind give us the teeth next year to seriously challenge for a title from day one...
just a better fit than Rudy…if we want a young, back up SG, we’d still have Outlaw as trade bait
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 2, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no rush to deal Rudy
KP will hold onto him for another year or so, then get a much better deal than Hinrich in return
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy for Hinrich is a non-starter IMO
now if we are talking blake/outlaw for hinrich, im fine with that.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides possibly gaining the cap-space next July
Why would the Bulls agree to flip Kirk for Steve and Travis? Kirk fits their backup PG-SG role better than Steve (or even Rudy) would, and they need a “real” PF, not Outlaw (Travis would virtually “duplicate” Thomas and Deng)
I think we’ve been proposing this Hinrich deal for so long now that we just “assume” Chicago loves our role players. But they’ve got their own needs and without cap-space (or RLEC) KP doesn’t really have that much to offer them in exchange for “Cap’n Kirk, playoff hero”
Maybe KP has a deal for Kirk in place that will be announced after the 8th, but haven’t you noticed the HInrich “chatter” has quieted down since the Gordon signing? (everywhere except around here, anyway…)
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care one iota if we get hinrich
I definately have NOT been in the crowd beating the Hinrich means we win titles drum. Personally, I’m agnostic on the subjec.t all I’m saying is no way do I trade Rudy for Kirk.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you heard?
We love versatile players! GM must have said “versatile” 1000 times while discussing the draft. (Of course, that’s part of what makes Kirk so desirable to keep, so I don’t know that it helps you out here.) ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 3, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that Gordon’s in Detroit, it might take Fernandez to get the deal done..
and that’s why the Hinrich trade is now a non-starter
you’re absolutely right re: the Blazer’s PG needing to shoot well…and that’s why Blake is so valuable
the more 3 quality point shooters are “surrounding” Oden, Hedo and Roy, the better
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP's quote
Haven’t seen it posted (maybe in another thread?)
“The guy’s a winner, first of all, and without a doubt, the best thing about him is he makes the players around him better,” Pritchard said. "He has played in 82 playoff games, so he brings that experience we have always wanted. He’s a guy who makes the right plays at the right times and is willing to take the big shot. And he’s a big pick-and-roll forward who can play multiple positions.
“We need someone to get us over the hump, and we feel like he can,” Pritchard said.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/07/turkoglu_tries_on_portland_for.html
So…what uniform number do you think they’ll give to the Turk?
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess the same as his old.
Except 15 is retired. I wonder if he’ll ask Larry to use his number.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 2, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Winning Unit
Roy + Rudy + Hedo + Aldridge + Oden = Good luck defending that lineup fool.
I’m ok with that.
Options on offense are incredibly dynamic.
On Defense, this team will have to learn to play good Team D.
Good luck defending that starting lineup. It is the right choice. Even at 5 year 50 mil. With Roy, Aldridge, and eventually Oden being locked up to wrong term contracts. We are going to be handicapped in FA with the long term lockups. This is the one opportunity to grab a key piece in FA.
Make it happen KP. In KP I trust. Don’t listen to the bandwagon haters. They jump off as fast as they jump on. Stay the course. Make the decisions based on your intuition and what makes sense. Not what someone puts on a blog.
Rudy/Roy/Hedo/Aldridge/Oden
Out. How dare you challenge this?
by JimmieG on Jul 2, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lakers
I think its also worth thinking about the main barrier in the way of a championship: the Los Angeles Lakers.
Artest/Lamar is a tough duo for small forwards to match up to, but I think Hedo can guard either of those reasonably. Batum/Outlaw might get outmuscled by Artest or outlengthed by Odom.
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo
While he isn’t the sexy pick for me, I hope we all give him a warm welcome anyway. At least let the man prove himself. I think Hedo won’t hinder us, but I don’t think he’ll put us over the top. That’s on Greg.
by Stryder9 on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Andre Miller
Andre Miller is a career 21% 3 point shooter…..while Blake is near 40%.
I really hope those Miller rumours werent true. It would end up like the Celtics last year, where the opposing team leaves the PG unguarded most of the time, guarding 4 people with 5.
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
true but..
I’m guessing with Roy and Hedo using the ball so much, next years Blazers PG will have more of a ‘shoot open threes’ role.
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo's Playmaking
may help push Bayless into the starting lineup.
Now isn’t that a nice thought?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 2, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the PG situation doesn't change this year, I think Bayless will be getting at least half the PG minutes by season's end.
by Free Bayless on Jul 2, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubt it
Blake’s 3pt shooting will be just as important as ever
Jerryd will need to knock down the open jumper to get out on the floor. Or, maybe if Bayless shows the ability to defend quick PGs, but the jury is still deliberating on that verdict
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't even considered that.
Could definitely happen.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pick and roll needs three point shooters!
How good of a 3 point shooter can Bayless be…his stats show 7-27, but I dont think thats enough to make a final judgement.
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In college
he shot 40%
That usually translates well, but we’re rebuilding his shot a bit. He should be better this year. I’ve watched him shoot , up close and for a while, he can hit the three. He just needs confidence in the new shot tweaks.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And shooting is a skill that players can reliably improve with consistent effort
It’s just a matter of time until Bayless is a deadeye shot.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addition Without Subtraction
Addition without subtraction is not a bad thing. Who would they have to give up? [yah, CAP space]
Imagine the screams if this was a trade for [insert your favorite here]? And, no hopeful trade for a point guard is blocked by the signing. Maybe opens ups some options. But, Blake may turn out to be the best fit for this team.
The Blazers require near All-Star or why bother – I see Hedo as borderline. I’ve looked at the free agents suggested and everybody turns out to have shortfalls in some crucial area. You have to realize you are picking humans, after all. Superhumans are drafted, often by luck; trades require flesh.
I wasn’t sold on Turkish Man either because of deficiencies but I understand the Four Horseman. He is a good experience anchor and scoring threat. Yes, I read the numbers, but it is a Bird-like (old type) intangible that I think they see.
I like the pick and role aspect, especially. If he plays small forward his length won’t change as he ages and he doesn’t base his offense on speed, vertical leap or charisma. Somehow, like Roy, he just gets past you. The comment about match-ups against other big 3s is a good one.
Makes a logjam and hard on Nic. If no trade, then my time solution is run, run, run and play pressing D. Take advantage of depth by game and season/playoffs. Injuries happen. Just wear out the other teams.
The Blazers are charting a five year plan so they’ll sign the required term.
Here’s a question: are his ’09 numbers WYSIWYG or can you claim any reasons for an improvement in his efficiency?
by Sashland on Jul 2, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
I watched all Magic games last season and have followed Turkoglu closely for a while, being Turkish and all..so take what I say with a grain of bias..
I expect Hedo’s shooting numbers to be much better than last year. His FG and 3PTFG% dropped almost 5%, and its not like the shots he got were much different.
His biggest negative on Orlando I thought was that in middle of games he would go long streches without scoring a basket…but on this talented Portland team, that shouldn’t be an issue.
I expect his points to go down but assists to go up, with overall a more efficient game.
by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roy has a way of doing this sometimes
His biggest negative on Orlando I thought was that in middle of games he would go long streches without scoring a basket…but on this talented Portland team, that shouldn’t be an issue.
Just anecdotal. I like the move, assuming its made. Welcome to BE.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
expect his points to go down but assists to go up, with overall a more efficient game.
I think Nate/KP saw how Hedo got the ball to Howard on the move (side ‘pick and dive’) and wanted to see some of those dimes heading Greg Oden’s way. If Turk can consistently get Greg the ball near the basket all of Oden’s “problems” will be over and we’ll finally see the player who we expected to get when he was drafted #1
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
he will average around 15 point per game, but his FG and 3Pt percentages will both go up a few notches. He’ll net 4-5 assists per game, and probably 5 rebounds.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow, like Roy, he just gets past you
it’s the pump fake and big first step
Pete Newell used to call it “the Kiki move” after Vandeweghe
Chris Mullin had it, too
The thing that seperates Turk is his ability to pass on the move (a taller version of Sergio)
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 range, pump fake, and passing
who wants that?
I’m feeling more like, IF they can sign him, he could fit an assigned role and be a nice addition. I don’t think he gets 35 minutes, maybe 28 (his career might last longer – at least for 5 years). I was thinking someone like Odom but I’m guessing he stays in LA and might not fit the locker room as well.
But Turkish Man (son’s nic’) might get a Finals AGAINST Orlando…
Can Toronto outbid us much? Seemed it was around a mill a year.
Thanks for the insights.
Oden is the BlazersEdge!
by Sashland on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Raptors would have to renounce a bunch of players
to outbid Portland for Turk
I don’t think KP and Paul Allen are going to let Hedo out of town without getting a verbal commitment, all of the other FAs are finding homes and the cupboard will be bare if they can’t seal the deal
there’s always lopsided trades, I guess. But once they’ve made their target clear, Kevin and Paul tend to get their man
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all need to reserve judgement until we see what this team does next year with Hedo in the lineup.
The facts are these: people loved him in Sacramento, people loved him in Orlando and people are going to love him in Portland. I’m not too sure about this move, but I really liked him when he played for Orlando and I’m sure I’ll love him when he plays for Portland (that’s a lot of love). If he helps the development of this team (especially GO) I’ll be super psyched!! Next year’s starting lineup will look like this:
PG-Blake
SG-Roy
SF-Turkoglu
PF-Aldridge
C-Oden
I believe that makes this Blazer team better.
by jenstcy on Jul 2, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Quite A Done Deal Yet
According to Ric Bucher, it seems like Hedo’s wife loves the city of Toronto. Oh boy.
by Balian on Jul 2, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm praying she wears the pants
There’s still hope. Give your woman what she wants! Bucher himself says “Any (happily) married man can tell you how much weight that carries.”
by terryisntbald on Jul 2, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the image
She does wear the pants.
by Balian on Jul 2, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could rec that cake.
What flavor is orange frosting?
by Garces on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant follow him anymore
how lame
s
The Princess of Blazersedge
by BlazerFan1 on Jul 2, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
If toronto makes a bigger offer, than it could come down to a choice between a few million more dollars playing for a team that will likely never get out of the first round at best, or a few million less on a team with championship possibilties. It’s not like he’s going to be hurting either way.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still very wary of signing Turkey, especially if he gets 5 years
but one positive is that he had a very nice chemistry offensively with Howard. Roy never seemed to trust Oden last year and rarely looked for him (understandable given Oden’s struggles but still frustrating). Maybe Hedo will look for Oden and get him some confidence, and (maybe better yet) encourage Roy to do the same.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe.. and I hope so "if" if this is indeed the best route to take... gosh darn it kp... I thought he could do better ... someone explain this to me rationally and tell me webster cant/wont be traded.
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"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 2, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me webster cant/wont be traded.
Martell has “negative” trade value right now, due to his foot injury and his contract. If Webster returns to the court and shows he’s completely healed his stock will rise, again
It’s almost certain he’ll be on the fall roster (if healthy) and not be part of any deal until next February, if ever
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
Those small foot bones don’t heal so good
by Odenrising on Jul 2, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it just depends
both Drexler and Jordan had stress fractures in their feet (or was it Michael’s ankle) and came back to have long and healthy careers
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh...
give me the chubby turkey and I’ll love him on thanksgiving… I"m kinda bitter at him now for pooin all over my spring grass but he sure will make thanksgiving nice…. here’s to hoping … /sigh…..
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 2, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with this. Outlaw and one other player, probably Blake, out the door for an upgrade at PG and we’re set as follows (as you all well know):
PG: ???/Bayless/Roy
SG: Roy/Rudy
SF: Turkoglu/Batum
PF: Aldridge/Pendergraph
C: Oden/Przybilla
Maybe shore up that PF spot if possible, but that lineup there is a playoff team and maybe more, people. And I bet KP is banking on his ability to move Turkoglu three years down the road if he has to.
In the short term, we get an experienced, healthy, good locker-room guy with size, three-point range, and the ability to create his own shot. These are positives and we are better now as a result of this move. Evidently the strategy is to go for it all n the next 2 or at most 3 years. Get on board.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 2, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way:
I was opposed to this trade at the outset. I’ve come around on it because I have faith in Nate and KP. If you don’t, you need to look at how far they’ve brought us and ask yourself why you’ve got cold feet now that we’re on the doorstep of really mattering in the Western Conference. You’re losing faith now? Really?
Not me. There’s a plan. I’m not a director of player personnel or a pro scout, and neither are you. Our team is not run by retards. This is a blessing. Put down the Chad Ford podcast and give these guys the chance. They just might be right (again).
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 2, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is a pretty big upgrade
By all acounts he is sn unselfish team player. He brings a skill set that will readily fit in to starting line up of Roy/???/LMA/Oden/Hedo. No more will teams get away with shading Roy and Aldridge on D. And once Hedo and Oden figure out that side pick and roll/ entry pass…watch out!
by Odenrising on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My only question is
Who can we get at PG for Blake and Outlaw?
by Odenrising on Jul 2, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Better Question
Who can we get if we add in Rudy or Batum?
Don’t want to lose them, but it’s worth it for a good point guard, and with Hedo and Martell we have plenty of players.
Keep in mind that everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazers Edge.
by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Bibby, Miller, or Sessions
But it’d probably take a third player to pull it off, likely Rudy, Jerryd, or Batum. And you Devin Harris dreamers need to check yourselves because I think that’s a looooong shot.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 2, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Hinrich "hopes" are drying up, as well
Bibby made 19+ mil next year, so unless he’s willing to accept 12 mil or less and then be traded to Portland for Outlaw/Blake/Bayless x 125 + 100k then he’s out of reach (unless Joel’s contract is added)
And of course if you deal Steve and Jerryd there’s no backup for Bibby, and while Mike would be a good shooter to have playing alongside Brandon/Hedo/Oden he’s a worse defender than Blake
So, why not just keep Steve?
Miller and Sessions can’t shoot, and someone besides Rudy needs to space the floor so defenders won’t sag in and restrict penetration
So I ask again, why not just keep Blake?
KP and Nate love Steve and really don’t want to move him. Yes, I was frustrated with Blake following the Houston series—but you can see the “remedy” that Nate and KP have come up with—that’s Hedo being the ball-handler along with Roy and the Blazers “PG” position being an outlet shooter like Kerr/Paxson/Hodges were for MJ and Pippen. Or similar to the role Fisher plays for L*A
So, Portland needs a “new” starting PG? You’re going to have to sell me on that concept all over again, because I get the feeling we’ll be seeing a very familiar face in that spot again next fall
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bibby made 19+ mil next year
meant to say “last year”
by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell of an argument. I hope people read this. Recd.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 3, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may also shake out that we go into the season with the current roster and wait for someone to get desperate mid-season, though this front-office isn’t a big fan of midseason shakeups.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 2, 2009 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think GO FOR IT
Has anything to do with midseason. I’m betting trade real soon!
by Odenrising on Jul 2, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think that there’s a reason they’ve gone after Turkoglu so aggressively, and it’s not because they’re afraid of him bolting to Toronto. They need to know that they’re solid at that position before pursuing another move that will no doubt impact the SF rotation.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 2, 2009 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
They can’t move Outlaw until they know they have another SF who can create offense.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is small and KP is gaining weight
by Norsktroll on Jul 3, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I can't believe that some people deify Kevin Pritchard.
To be frank with y’all, the dude looks like a complete and utter tool.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His moves up until this year had been pretty close to flawless
Not trading Raef might have been a mistake. Drafting Cunningham over Blake was a mistake. But all in all, he’s been great.
by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That DeJuan "Blake" is a heckuva offensive rebounder. :)
Aside from “pretty […] flawless,” I’m not sure that Kevin Pritchard is beyond average.
In a few years, I’d bank on Pritchard being John Paxson: Part Deux.
by AK1984 on Jul 3, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which moves do you have as mistakes so far?
by as11osu on Jul 3, 2009 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A cavernous silence from wunderkind GM-to-be AK1984
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 3, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this will be one of a several successful off-season moves...
I have been reading a lot of comments and people are really striking back at Turkoglu, which led me to look at statistics yesterday and this morning. Turk only averaged about 13 shots a game last year. He gets to the free throw line pretty well (almost 5 a game). 07-08 he averaged 14.9 shots per game when he had his 19.5 per. This year, in a contract year, when he should be more selfish, he backed down to 13 a game and towards the second half of the season was actually at 12. This most likely was because he had Alston as his point guard – Alston shoots more and passes less. Turkoglu became more selective with his shots and took on the role of point forward and passed more (his assists went up to 5.1, rebounds to 6.1, and his shooting percentage went up 2% to 43.6). He didn’t say screw the team, I am making dough. In fact he said the opposite and look what happened. There is no way Dwight Howard puts up the numbers he does and the Magic go to the Finals without Turk. End of story. He is much more than just a chucker.
Brandon Roy took 16.9 shots per. Outlaw averaged 10.5 for the year and over 11 shots per game down the stretch. Anybody who has watched a game knows at least half of those were when he didn’t even look at a teammate to pass the ball. There have definitely been stretches of 2+ quarters where I have counted Outlaws passes and it was at zero. I am not exaggerating in the slightest. Aldridge took 15.3 shots per game and 16 per down the stretch. All I am saying is that Turkoglu does not need more shots than the Blazers can allow. Trust me you are going to at least want Turk to occupy the defenses efforts of RJeff, Artest, Ariza, Melo, etc. The West is going to be even tougher next year, not easier for us.
FYI there were individual stretches of 4 games, 5 games, and 6 games when Outlaw didn’t get A SINGLE ASSIST last season. Do not tell me that is good basketball, and do not tell me it would be a mistake to upgrade and lose Outlaw.
by LiquidForce138 on Jul 3, 2009 7:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. Thanks, LiquidForce.
I’ve been thinking there must have been some reason for the drop in Hedo’s points other than the fact that he turned 30 this year, and you explained it well. The guy is in the prime of his career, not nearing the end.
BTW, Ken Berger, who broke the news about Ron Artest signing with the Lakers, was on the Carmichael Dave show last night and he said that Hedo is the best player available in this summer’s free-agent crop.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 3, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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