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We Don't Have a Clue (Edit -- NOW WE DO)

The last couple of weeks have been really fun for Blazer fans.  We've had the privilege of agonizing over trades of draft picks, despairing over the guy(s) who we didn't pick, and wondering at whom KP was going to throw Paul Allen's money.  Now, we get to rejoice or sink into depression (whatever floats your boat) that he's going to throw that money at Hedo.

This has all been so much fun I decided to return briefly from my work exile and come back and say this:  we don't have a clue what KP is really going to do.

Star-divide

History

Who on the Bedge predicted the following:

  1. The way we acquired LaMarcus Aldridge.
  2. The way we acquired Brandon Roy.
  3. The makeup of the Zach trade fascilitating the acquisition of James Jones and Rudy Fernandez.  
  4. The acquisition of the rights to Jerryd Bayless.
  5. The Diogu/Ruffin trade.
  6. etc.

Undeniable truth:  KP is unpredictable, and few of his moves were signaled in the media in advance.

Rumors

  1. Supposedly, we're trying to sign Hedo.
  2. Supposedly, if we don't get him we're going to get Ariza.
  3. Previously, there were rumors about Kidd.
  4. Bibby has been mentioned.
  5. Sessions has been mentioned.
  6. Miller has been mentioned.
  7. Trading for Nash has been mentioned.

Undeniable truth: Most of the rumors aren't true.  Maybe the Hedo/Ariza rumors are true, and maybe they aren't.

What we Know for Sure

There are some things we do know:

  1. We know that Blair was not considered an option even in the second round.  We do not know why.
  2. We know that quantity for quality trades are usually expensive.  It cost 2 late second round picks (though they were very unlikely to be of use to us) to move up two spots in the first round.  It cost Sergio and cash to move up to #31.
  3. We know that KP saw value in moving from #24 to #22.  We do not know why.  Maybe it was part of a plan to move up further that didn't pan out, or to draft someone that went at #20 or 21 that he thought he could get at #22, or he thought Dallas might pick Claver, or he originally intended to draft Casspi and changed his mind, or for some other reason.
  4. We know that KP cleared a little more cap room by trading Sergio and drafting a Euro.
  5. We know that if he wanted someone who was drafted higher than #22, the cost of trading up was greater than he was willing to  pay. 
  6. We know that there was no one available at #22 and that was not expected to be available at #31 that KP thought would significantly help us right now, so he drafted for the future.
  7. We know that he saw some value in trading up to #31 which indicates they thought highly of Pendergraph.
  8. We know that KP sees value in having the rights to high-talent Euros.
  9. We know that we can relatively painlessly get to a salaries plus cap holds level of just under $50 million.
  10. We know that the current NBA Salary Cap is $58.68 million, which means if it does not change, we have just under $9 million a year to offer, and we can increase to $10 million by renouncing Koponen and Freeland.
  11. We know that the NBA Salary Cap is reported to be going down to $57.3 million.  If this is true, to offer Hedo $10 million a year, we have to renounce the rights to Claver as well, or else make a trade that reduces our salaries in some other way.  Therefore, we are unlikely to have actually offered Hedo $10 million a year until any such trade is actually nailed down -- the likelihood of renouncing Claver right now is low, and that is the only way we could make that offer right now.  Given that there are not many teams that would want to make a trade that increases their salary commitment (and reduces ours), the likelihood of such a trade is low.  Therefore, if we are going to pay Hedo $10 million a year, it will almost certainly be via a sign and trade that sends someone (and their salary) to Orlando -- which means, depending on who we send (or perhaps I should say "how much salary we send"), we may still have a little cap space to work with after acquiring Hedo. 

Most of the other things that we "know" we don't actually know.  We don't know that Portland wanted Psycho T, whatever Larry Miller said (was that said for an ulterior motive?  Who knows?).  We don't know why Blair was passed over (though we know that lots of GMs and/or team doctors made the same assessment as Portland, and they probably know a lot more than even the most knowledgeable fans).  We don't know what they really thought of Lawson.  We don't know if KP really tried to move higher in the draft or not.  We don't know whether the guys they got were really the guys they targeted all along (we know Nate said that, but he would, wouldn't he?).

We don't know if we've made a firm offer to Hedo, and if we have, none of us really has a clue what the terms of that offer are.  We don't know if we've made offers to anyone else.  We don't know what Rudy has said to Portland, or what he really thinks.  We don't know if KP has talked to NJ about Harris.  We don't know if NJ is willing to shop him or not (I personally doubt it).  We don't know if KP has talked to Sessions' agent, though Sessions' agent ought to have been calling KP, if he's doing his job.

What Could be Happening re: Hedo

  1. KP could be targeting Shane Battier.  If Houston is playing hard to get, he could be using Turkoglu negotiations as a ploy to send the message to the Rockets that we don't have to deal with you, so you'd better quit the silly demands or we'll just sign Hedo and you can just drift into Yao-less mediocrity without any of our young talent. 
  2. He could be plotting an unbalanced trade for someone else and is again using Hedo as leverage to pressure potential trading partners.
  3. KP could have a deal in place for Devin Harris for Steve, Rudy, and Travis.  If Rudy goes, Martell becomes our backup SG, and with Travis also gone we are suddenly thin at SF.  Hedo could be the key to getting Harris without devastating the rest of our lineup -- both Martell and Nic can backup the two wing spots.
  4. We may have offered Hedo $8 million a year for 4 years, telling his agent he won't get more than that anywhere else, and the agent may be spreading rumours of more than that to try and get Toronto to increase their offer. 
  5. We may be after Ariza for $6 million a year for 3 years, and allowing all the Hedo talk to go forward without any denials as a negotiating tactic with Ariza's agent.
  6. We may be after Artest for $6-7 million for 3 years.  How many teams are able to go over the MLE for Artest, especially teams that give him any chance at a championship?
  7. We may be targeting Jason Kidd as our real free agent target, and trying to get him down into the $8 million for 3 years range.  By allowing the Hedo rumors to run wild, you let Kidd know that actually, there aren't very many teams with cap space, and certainly not that many who want an old guy, so you'd better play ball on our terms or we'll spend our money on Hedo.
  8. KP may be planning a sign and trade to acquire Hedo that will still give him some cap space for another deal.

 Are any of those things actually happening?  Who knows?

A Buyer's Market

 Ultimately, it's a buyer's market right now.  There are few teams with cap space, plenty of free agents wanting contracts, and plenty of teams who would like to swing a deal to dump some salary. 

In a buyer's market, when hardly anyone has enough money to buy and lots of people want to sell, you can get a great house for a good price.  Find a house you really like, one that is really good for your family, and one where the current owner needs to sell.  Make sure the owner's agent is aware that there are a lot of other really good houses out there, and there are others that you really liked, and you could buy them.  But, you like this house, too, enough to buy it if the owner will take your offer.  The owner knows if you walk away he may not be able to find a buyer who is even able to offer close to what you are offering.  Suddenly, the presence of all those other houses makes your offer look a lot better to him than it would have.  He may hate it, he may think you are ripping him off, but he has to take the offer because he may not get another one this good for two years.

KP is smart enough to know he is in a buyer's market.  He holds more cards than anyone else right now -- for free agents, who else has both cap space and the ability to offer a realistic possibility of a ring?  For trades, who else has cap space AND can offer an abundance of young talent at low salaries or even Euro talent that costs nothing in salaries or luxury tax right now when times are tough? 

Somewhere out there is a house KP is trying to buy.  Is Hedo the one he wants, or is he just being floated to cause some GM or other agent to panic, and say, "Portland is going to blow their cap space on Hedo, and then we're stuck"?

It might be that KP and Nate think Hedo will make us great.  This could all be misdirection.  A Turkoglu signing may just be the precursor to a trade which is even bigger.  We all should just enjoy the ride, because we don't know what they are really doing.  There are options within options, and those options have options. 

We don't really have a clue.

Poll
Are you enjoying the ride this off-season?
Yes, absolutely
406 votes
Mostly, but I do think KP made at least one bad move
150 votes
Not really, but I don't think it has been a disaster
153 votes
No, I'm hating KP's moves this year
48 votes
I'm so disgusted I'm going to become a Memphis fan
21 votes

778 votes | Poll has closed

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Thank you master for laying out some much needed perspective.

Endless speculation may be the spice of the forum, but when people start manufacturing imagined drama out of said speculation, it becomes frustrating to watch. IE people slamming KP for not pulling the trigger on a deal that exists only in our imaginations.

by zaruga on Jul 2, 2009 3:12 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I thoroughly enjoyed this...

…especially given the heated nature of fan’s responses to the goings-on of the offseason. Many thanks for the cool-headed analysis (and also for your post’s impeccable layout!).

by Modal Rounder on Jul 2, 2009 3:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we do cool here a lot

Probably has something to do with our typical weather.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you would have gotten different results on the poll

if you could have put it above your post rather than below.

Excellent job sir! Thank you very much. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff.

I hope this gets a thousand recs.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 2, 2009 3:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

In particular the What Could be Happening re: Hedo part. At first I didn’t like the Hedo deal but started to think the same ideas as you wrote in the #3. If that or something like it is the case (even if it not Harris, but still a high quality PG) this could turn out to be a really great move and would explain why we are going after him so hard. It’s silly to speculate because as you said we really don’t know.

by Cory2669 on Jul 2, 2009 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is obviously more to the Blair story

He wasn’t even on our board, Nate said. With a talent like that, he would have to have been on our board unless there was a “Do not touch” sign on him.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably the Greg Oden Syndrome

DeJuan Blair is known for his knee problems. The last thing the Blazers front office wants is another big man to go down with knee issues.

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by Artest4Prez on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it were just the Blazers

you would probably be right. But this is more than just “we can’t afford to take risks because of Greg.” Lots of teams passed him by even in the second round. There is something (probably knees, but I’m not sure we know enough to say for sure) that makes it a very good chance this guy is not going to have a long and successful career.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Blazers have one of the best medical staffs around

I suspect that once we “red-flagged” Blair, other teams just followed suit. just a guess, prolly wrong.

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On what basis do you say that?

seems to me the Blazers’ medical staff has had a pretty horrible run…

by Blazin' on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because of Oden?

I suspect 9 out of 10 GM’s would have made that same pick if in KP’s shoes with the team we had/have

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's start with Martell Webster.

The either botched the surgery. Or botched the foot by bringing him back too early. Maybe career ending!

Steve Blake came back from shoulder separation early, and then was gone for weeks more.

Oden had injuries this season that were poorly defined by the med staff/PR dept.
Leading to a lot of pressure on Oden from media, and some tension with coaches, I thought. Amateur stuff.

I don’t see other NBA teams doing these kinds of things.

So I am curious why you would say we have one of the best med staffs when, to me, it looks like we have one of the worst.

by Blazin' on Jul 2, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Norsk's theory

how could KP take on a kid with known knee issues after what he said re: Darius?

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense to any of the trainers

But the way the Blazers handle injuries is astounding to me.

The Suns by far have the best medical staff in the NBA, followed closely by maybe the Nuggets.

The Suns are a regular factory for refurbishing aging players, it’s actually kind of suspicious.

by Aleksi on Jul 2, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has no ACL's!

For real. You guy’s haven’t heard about that? An MRI done in Chicago during the combines showed that he literally has no ACL’s. After a couple of surgeries they’re just, err, gone. It hasn’t affected his play so far, but many GM staffs wonder if it will lead to a very, very short career in the NBA.

An Oregonian in Texas.

by NoiseMekanik on Jul 2, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

Listening to fans complain about stuff that none of us really have any idea about gets tiring. One reason I am tending more and more to skip over most of the fan comments and just read what Dave and Ben post.

Although I will always take the time to read what jscot has to say.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

like possibly getting Devin Harris for Troutlaw

This non-trade has been confirmed by several media sources (Jaynes, Vance, Quick?) so it’s reasonable to suspect there was an offer made, and rejected. Probably on Portland’s end

There are no perfect talent evaluators in the NBA. None.

I hate to break it to you, but KP makes mistakes. That doesn’t mean he should be vilified (or offered sainthood, either)

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are no perfect talent evaluators in the NBA. None.

I completely agree with this statement, and the following one as well. I never said that KP doesn’t make mistakes. However his body of work over the past 4 years is nothing short of phenomenal. He replaced a bunch of players who were as cultureless, talentless and undisciplined as you could find with guys who were both talented and had good character. Yet now just the thought of us signing Hedo is bringing out invective against KP. Maybe that’s the way the NBA works, but I just feel like it’s a pretty raw deal considering what he has done for the franchise. This blazer team is one of the most promising teams in franchise history, and a significant part of the credit for this goes to KP.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the reason

they didn’t take Blair was because we would have had to sign him to a significant rookie contract and we preferred to take a Euro that could be stashed overseas and leave more cap room for free agency, etc. Is this not correct or is it only part of the story? I’m confused.

by mlsinpdx on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that explained the round 1 pass

but not the two 2nd round selections

(2nd rounders do not have to be given guaranteed contracts, but McRoberts was, so it’s possible)

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blair

I don’t see why his name keeps coming up. Every team in the league passed him up at least once. If he was what all of the Blair lovers think would that have happened? Something was wrong we know nothing about but every GM in the league did know about. So I just don’t see passing up Blair was a mistake. College is not the NBA. His body got seriously messed up in college. What will happen when the big boys push him around?

by Cory2669 on Jul 2, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except the Spurs.....

Of course, they can afford to take a chance on him.

by blzrfan1938 on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh man.

I sooooooo called the Ruffin trade. I said that we need more buff shoulders per capita, and Dwight Howard has too much actual value. We had to go to the #2 buff shoulders in the league.

* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...

by OdenFanBoy on Jul 2, 2009 4:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post though. Being rec'ed as we speak.

* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...

by OdenFanBoy on Jul 2, 2009 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, really?

I soooooo overlooked you calling that one.

I could go back and search the archives, but I’ll take your word for it. You said it on the Internet, so it must be true. Not only that, your reason for calling it was/is impeccable. I don’t know what we are going to do to close the buffness gap, though, now that he’s gone. Ideas?

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I called Jack-13 for Bayless

did not call McBob and Diogu tho

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 2, 2009 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I thought Bayless would go in the the top 6-7, maybe as high as 4, so that one totally surprised me. I didn’t think Jack-13 would be enough to get high enough for Jerryd, and that if we were going after him, it would cost us another good player.

The other players were just to make salaries work under the cap, of course. That part was somewhat predictable if you guessed that Jarrett was going to the Pacers.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, so technically I only guessed the priniciples

and it was a “If Bayless slides, we trade up. Anyone taking Bayless is prob taking him for us.”

Reason being, Westbrook’s stock was rocketing and I thought he’d go 4. Then, I figured NY was our only obstacle because all the other teams had pretty much fallen in love with specific players (Clips/Gordon, Bucks/Vanilla Sky, Bobcats/DJ Augustin, Wolves/Love, etc.). Once NY didn’t take him, everyone took their pre-determined pick until the Pacers (Who needed some stability at PG, not a rook, and who had injured wings) took Bayless, which I figured they’d want to extract some value from us and get their wing (Rush) and point (Jack).

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jul 2, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm impressed

I didn’t have it nailed down with anywhere near that detail. I thought we might end up with Augustin. I was surprised and thrilled when we got Bayless so cheaply.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Augustine doesn't look too bad right now :)

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I called Bayless too

think around pick 3 or 4 of the draft, I posted here on BE “we are getting Bayless”. I didn’t make a guess as for the particulars though, so I’d only call that half right.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had Bayless too

but my proposed deal had Portland giving up Webster.

by parkinglotj on Jul 2, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job.

You haven’t been posting much, but I see your laser eye has been dialed in all along.
Under history I nailed #6.

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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

LOL

Me, too. I’ve been predicting #6 all along, and I’m always right. You know me and predictions.

Work has been very heavy, should ease in August.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how much time you have,

and generally would never promote my own posts. But knowing your affection for excel geekiness I present to you 2 posts which have a lot of sweat put into them.
The final version of the color coded season (82 games) "Blazer Colors" – it’s a quick read and notice the away games in the West. Also note the point diff data at the bottom of the last table in this post, it’s a small but telling 4 numbers.

And a second post of a point differential study of the last 14 years titled "Roy wants NBA title next year – will he get it" One question this study answers is whethere or not a .500 team is a zero point diff team. But the chart with 14 years plotted speaks volumes.

As multitasking as you are, I assumed you were very busy, as usually your visits have been quite short. I hope that means you also have a little time to relax in August.

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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice stuff

I’d seen the first but didn’t take time to comment, the second went by when I was too busy to even check the Bedge. Very nice work.

One minor quibble on your second one (I can’t comment on the thread itself, it is closed now), our high point differential in the last part of the season is accurate but was compiled against a relatively weak end of season schedule. So it isn’t a perfect indicator of our strength, but it shows the direction we were moving at the end of the year. As I said all year, the tough early schedule was going to pay off at the end of the year, and it did.

But still a very interesting and useful analysis.

I’ll probably disappear again for a few weeks pretty soon, but I’ll be back, unless prezofdeath bans me for doing a long fan post right after he said to quit making fan posts about Hedo.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, your right as always.

It was weak at the end, but I just couldn’t let a number like that sit in the darkness.

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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for stopping by with a great post

Don’t worry about prez, his mod wand is totally out of control and he’ll probably whack himself into banishment.
don’t tell him I said that

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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you just did an ad hominem or something

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just remember - when doing an ad hominem, ...

… it’s suck, not blow.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completedly missed your Roy wants a title post.

I was wondering how I could have missed something so well done. I’m wondering what was going on around May 10th. Then it hit me. I was in Pullman that weekend for our son’s graduation.

I guess even with 24 recs it got pushed off the front page pretty quickly.

After looking at your data, I am even more at a loss as to why a large percentage of fans here think it is crucial for Portland to make an impact move.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, I sort of remember it being a little crazy back then.

With this team being so young, the room for making the most improvement next season still has to favor the Blazers somewhat. I think that’s why KP and company are being so judicious in making acquisitions. They probably don’t want to do much, but in doing so want to make a significant upgrade that meshes well with the current roster, not just rotating similar talents from team to team.

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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a rec.

Though I had to scroll back up to see what point 6 was.

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by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a point

we never know what KP will pull off next, but after acquiring, Hmm lets see; Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Fernandez , Nicolas Batum, Greg Oden, Jerryd Bayless, Joel Przybilla and more, when all he really had to work with was; The Overpaid and lazy Darius Miles, Zach Randolph, Sebastian Telfair, Jamaal Magloire, Dan Dickau and the most valuable trade commodity of all…. Luke Shenscher!!! Hey, Don’t blame me if I trust the guy to get it done!!! Go Blazers!!

by blaze1 on Jul 2, 2009 4:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i love how easy to read your posts are

Communism is the very definition of failure.

by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:12 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

me too.

"We didn’t pick Blair because of his history of fat-assery" -BlazerTag

by 5212872 on Jul 2, 2009 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only they weren't so long

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand the Psycho T part

If Larry Miller said Hansbrough was the team’s target on draft day, then why are you saying that we should not believe Mr. Miller?

90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 5:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reasons why it might be a mistake to believe Larry Miller

1. Because TiH thinks we should believe him.
2. Because you always want to encourage your players by saying they were the guys you wanted, so if he is saying something different, one has to wonder if there is a reason.
3. Because perhaps Pendergraph’s agent is being a pain, and so they are just dropping hints that, you know, we like your guy, but it isn’t as if he was the player we wanted most, so you’d better just be glad we drafted you and take what we are offering.
4. Because of other reasons you and I haven’t thought of.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know that Portland wanted Psycho T, whatever Larry Miller said (was that said for an ulterior motive? Who knows?)

Brian Wheeler reported that the Blazer were interested in TH on draft night (Comcast) but the deals to move up fell through, so KP selected Claver

That cable broadcasted news could then be considered “common knowledge” by Mr. Miller

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, Tom Penn went on the radio (1080) the next day

and confirmed that KP had several deals in place that fell through, without mentioning TH or other names

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TARGET ARTEST

he’ll bring an immediate impact on our D. so tough…just ask BRoy

"be where you are when you're there"

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 2, 2009 6:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad to have you weighing in again.

I think the fact your poll indicates that almost half of the fans here who have voted think KP has made at least one mistake is telling. I believe it is good evidence that sitting on one’s butt can lead to brain cramps for a certain percentage of the population. In this instance almost half.

btw – I voted yes, even though that exactly fits my opinion of the off season. To say I am enjoying it absolutely isn’t accurate. My overall interest level is down considerably from the past couple of seasons. But that’s due to the fact I like the team we have and do not believe that it is critical to future success that we make some big acquisition. I am awaiting with some interest what will actually happen. Mainly because I want to learn how KP and company have played the market. (Not to mention shown a certain portion of our fan base who is the expert and who can’t distinguish between their kister and a hole in the ground.)

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 6:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think KP probably has made one mistake, too

He’s made enough moves that probably one of them was a bad one. I just have no clue which one it was.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm kind of with you on this one

I voted that I’m not enjoying the offseason, but that’s not because I think KP has made any “mistakes.” It’s that I’ve been getting caught up in the incessant media/agent/Bedge fart cloud regarding the free agent stuff. What’s true, what’s not true, who were going to lose in these deals, it’s all draining.
And then, “guess who’s mad at KP/Nate for the guy they might be courting?” Seriously, when did sports journalism turn into some unholy hybrid of TMZ/Us?
So, I’m not enjoying this offseason so far, but that’s not due to any mis-steps on KP’s part that I can tell.

by Montavilla Steve on Jul 2, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little harsh, I think

After all, I linked to AK’s post from just a couple days ago.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah you're right. Again.

I just tire of filtering out the bologna.

by pxilpooshr on Jul 2, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While he may have been harsh

it “FEELS” that way at times. tough to filter through the rampant brain dumps and actually sift through for gems of quality reading.

Regardless, this was a great post.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 2, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

hyperbole

Norskie’s Sessions post was nice

MillsFanBoy

by appel82 on Jul 2, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exaggeration maybe

It’s subjective don’t you think?

by pxilpooshr on Jul 2, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about your fanshot?

Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave

by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing we don't know:

Did the Blazers appeal the Darius salary situation to the league? Did they get it? If so, they are working with a larger “under-the-cap” number than we are aware of…

Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 2, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I suspect if they had appealed and won, we would know about it. If they appealed and lost, the same clown who leaked the email would probably have leaked that news, so we would know that, too.

So either they haven’t appealed, or they appealed and it is pending, in all probability.

My guess is if Darius doesn’t play for anyone this year, they may appeal before the trading deadline.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget after reading this...

But I can’t get over how many MORE options we would have if Miles/Memphis were’nt so EVIL

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A ray of rationality!

I’ve been thinking along the same lines. Although I could never have phrased it so well.

by kaizzer on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And this is why you should rule the world.

Excellent post.

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

This one post is why?

I could give you multiple reasons why I should rule the world.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno, I just like this post.

I was a little weary of you ruling the world, but this one was the clincher :)

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Another victim convert.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done as always

Although I think you’re feeding the conspiracy theorists by articulating their theory 100 times better than they ever could.

For the most part, your point is well taken. Do we know what KP is up to, or why? No. Of course we don’t. He’s the master of the smokescreen.

However, is it really likely that there’s some subterfuge explaining the pursuit of Hedo? Probably not. The most likely explanation is the most simple. KP, Nate, and Tom Penn are meeting with Hedo because they are interested in signing him as a free agent.

It’s possible they could be doing all that with an eye on another possible trade, or whatever, but it’s not likely.

Also, your point about renouncing Claver being necessary to offer $10 mil per season is a little off base, I think. The way it works is that the Blazers offer a five year, $50 million deal – but the annual payments are escalating. So the first year is only $8 million of so, and the last year is around $12. That averages out to $10 million per season, but it works under this year’s cap because this year’s hit is only $8 mil – and it works without renouncing the rights to Claver.

In sum, good post, as always, but I think you’re encouraging the masses who want to believe that KP would never ever sign the Turk to a $50 million dollar deal, when all reliable evidence points to the contrary.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 2, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I think KP could well offer Hedo that much money, but I doubt he has yet. Actually, I would be surprised if it is five years at his age, if they sign him I expect it to be four years at the most. Well, I’ll be a little surprised if it is $10 million a year, because I suspect they can get him for less in this market.

Is there a subterfuge in the pursuit of Hedo? Perhaps the better question is, are they really pursuing him that hard at all? You said “all reliable evidence”, but what reliable evidence do we have? Is it the same people who said Carter was coming here at the trade deadline, or Jefferson, or whoever? Is the subterfuge simply that they are letting false rumors run wild because it serves other purposes?

I won’t be surprised if Hedo is here next year, and well paid. But I’m not sure I would consider it probable.

I don’t know how the cap works, but I know there are limits on how much you can circumvent it with increasing salaries over the term of the contract. You can’t sign a guy for $1 million this year and $11 million next year, for instance. I think if it is $50 million over 5 years, it hits the cap this year for $10 million, however you have structured it. Perhaps someone else can clarify that point for us, though, because I’m not an expert.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I understand:

The maximum salary we can give for the 2009-2010 season is obviously whatever cap space we have. The CBA then allows us to give him an 8% raise every year.

8, 8.64, 9.33, 10.08, 10.88 is roughly 47 million.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

AK clarified this somewhere – you can up those numbers slightly and fit in under the cap, without renouncing Claver, at a total cost of $49 million over 5 years, even though the first number is 8.5 or thereabouts.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 2, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Depends on where the cap actually comes in, then, but sounds like we can get pretty close to the rumored numbers if we go 5 years.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

credibility

The only two things that make the Hedo signing credible is Nate flying out to meet him in Orlando and him coming to Portland to look at the practice facility.

These are concrete things that imply a long term interest in Hedo, that would most likely not happen if this was all a smoke-screen. KP could have created just as big a furor with a few well timed leaks and not have Hedo out to Portland.

by boppitywop on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty credible to me

Contrast the Ariza rumors – “league sources” “feel” the Blazers “may” sign Ariza to a contract between 32-40 million. That’s complete speculation.

But Nate flying out to Orlando? KP and Tom Penn contacting Hedo’s agent just after midnight on July 1? KP reaching out to Brandon and Lamarcus and telling them first (according to J Quick)? The plan to have Hedo come tour the practice facility?

These are all very reliable indicators, for my money, that the Blazers are pursuing Hedo and fully intend to offer him a contract. Whether that deal gets finalized or not remains to be seen, but the interest is surely there.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 2, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

you don’t do this kind of stuff as a smokescreen. it’s a small community, and agents would be wary of working with you in the future. No way you do that.

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by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KP would burning a lot of bridges if he was just messing with Hedo. I think we need to either (A) come to grips with Hedoism or (B) root for Toronto to sign him.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think KP is putting out a smokescreen

But it is entirely possible that Hedo’s agent is talking stuff up bigger than it is, and that KP is choosing, for his own purposes, not to make public denials.

If Hedo doesn’t come, KP isn’t going to come out and say, “Oh, it was all a smokescreen.” He’ll say, “We’ve had a better offer, one we couldn’t refuse. Sorry, Hedo, and thanks for the interest, and good luck wherever you go.” Or else just, “We never worked out all the details.”

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point by point

1. Nate flying out to Orlando. Was this a special trip, or was he already going there for some other reason? Why would he fly to Orlando just to see Hedo if they arranged for Hedo to come to Portland? Doesn’t make much sense. Things that don’t make much sense may still be just as they appear, but they also may not have the significance that is being reported.

2. KP and Tom Penn contacted Hedo’s agent just after midnight. That probably indicates they see Hedo as at least a fall-back option if their first, second, or third option doesn’t work out, and if he isn’t too expensive. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are actively pursuing him or he is the first way they want to spend Paul Allen’s money.

3. Reaching out to Brandon and LMA (and Rudy was apparently told something as well). It is no surprise they are talking to them about personnel matters. But what were they told? Were they told we are going after Hedo, or that we are going to talk to him but he’s not our top target?

4. Having Hedo come tour. This would be the strongest indicator. But who took the initiative on this, Portland or Hedo? If I were Hedo, and someone was talking to me about possibly going there, I’d want to get on an airplane and check it out.

I would say, though some of them are dubious, that put together these indicators point towards an interest in Hedo, you probably have something. KP is prepared to sign Hedo unless something better comes his way or unless he is too expensive.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is gunning for both Hinrich and Hedo. That kind of makes sense.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very possible

Are either huge upgrades? Hinrich is marginally better than Blake, and Hedo might not be much better than Nic will be by a year from now.

But when you already have 54 wins and your franchise center is expected to make huge strides forward, marginal upgrades can count for a lot.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+92

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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich is marginally better than Blake

I disagree with this. Hinrich runs the pick and roll, has a midrange game, and plays some of the best point guard defense in the game. He would be a marginal offensive improvement, but is much better defensively

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on the defense

I’m not sure he’ll be better at all than Blake offensively. Steve knows how to play next to Brandon, and we saw how much he was missed when he hurt his shoulder.

If it happens, we’ll see. Blake’s 3 point shooting was very valuable to us this year.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich is pretty much as good a shooter as Blake, and he has a better midrange game and runs the pick and roll better. He’s a marginal offensive upgrade and a big defensive upgrade. Isn’t that what we want out of our point guard?

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind Hinrich

if he doesn’t cost too much. I don’t know his stats, but it seems to me Blake is really coming into his own as a 3 point shooter, and is generally very steady with a very good assist/TO ratio. I’m not sure Hinrich will give us any more than Blake on the offensive end.

I agree that the defensive improvement is worth something. But it isn’t as if we are going to get a star if we get Kirk. We are going from a PG who probably ranks around 20-25 in the league, for what we want from a PG, to one who ranks around 15 in the league. It’s worth doing, but it isn’t going to buy us 10 more wins a season.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich was a 41% three point shooter last year, with less open looks than Blake got. He also shot a high volume as Blake did. Hinrich has a worse A/TO ratio, but it’s because he takes more risks and played the shooting guard position last year.

He is a better pick and roll point guard… pretty smart at finding the rolling big man. He’s not Steve Nash, but he does this better than Blake does.

Everything we like about Blake… Hinrich has. Steadiness, shooting, ability to play off the ball, etc. He’s Steve Blake 2.0.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One important question

How can he hit the guy rolling if they don’t roll?

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oden and Joel roll

but never get hit. LMA needs to roll more though, but I don’t blame him for that, he’s likely doing what the coaches want him to

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by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it really likely that there’s some subterfuge explaining the pursuit of Hedo? Probably not

Agreed. Until new intel to the contrary is presented, the fact that the Blazers are only making travel plans with Hedo is confirmation enough (to me) that he is their #1 target

and we know that Paul and Kevin generally “get their man”

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conspiracy Theorists?
Although I think you’re feeding the conspiracy theorists by articulating their theory 100 times better than they ever could.

Um, do or do not the Blazers front office make decisions behind closed door in a secretive manner due to CBA restrictions and good tactical/Strategic sense? The answer is of course that they DO make secretive decisions behind closed doors that are released after the fact. In a way the front office is an on going competitive commercial conspiracy (CCC).

However, is it really likely that there’s some subterfuge explaining the pursuit of Hedo? Probably not. The most likely explanation is the most simple.

If you use Occam’s Razor on the battlefield the enemy general would have a field day with you. The same is true of course with criminal investigation of smart criminals (Such as the mafia who intentionally alter the crime scene to give one a false impression of what happened). It is also true that attempting to figure out KP’s moves by known "reliable" evidence has in the past been strictly speaking impossible. There are times you can figure out what he is doing by "reliable" evidence, but there are just as many if not more where you could not.

To use the term conspiracy theorists is an extremely loaded term in my opinion. Which is silly of course because conspiracies are a fact of life (Mafia, Watergate, numerous 3rd world Coup De’etats) and it only aids criminals to disregard them. We are of course not talking about criminals, but I think it’s pretty clear that we won’t be able to deduce all of KP’s moves via "reliable" information.

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by Idog1976 on Jul 2, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do or do not the Blazers front office make decisions behind closed door in a secretive manner due to CBA restrictions and good tactical/Strategic sense? The answer is of course that they DO make secretive decisions behind closed doors that are released after the fact.

The secrets have been released. The Blazers are pursuing Hedo Turkoglu. It’s not a secret anymore.

Do we know for sure they will actually sign him? No. Do we know they’re willing to enter into a five year deal? Absolutely not. Do we know they’re interested? … Yes. Yes, we do. They’re not flying Nate around the country, feeding information to J Quick, scheduling tours of the Blazers practice facility, etc., in the interests of increasing their negotiating power with somebody else. That kind of “conspiracy” may happen all the time on Entourage, but not at the NBA – not with this level of courtship.

The Blazers are not jerking around the Turk. It’s a reality. They’re interested. It is a fact. The sooner we all accept and come to terms with it, the sooner we can move on.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

While I want nothing to do with Hedo Turkoglu, it's pretty clear that the Portland Trail Blazers ...

have some level of interest in him. So, regardless of whether or not that interest leads to the team eventually signing him, you’re absolutely correct that there’s no denying that the Trail Blazers have at least a modicum of interest in acquiring his services.

I, however, wonder who’s leading the charge behind the courtship of Turkoglu. Franky, it could be anyone from Paul Allen all the way down to Nate McMillan. Y’know, even though Kevin Pritchard is the front office executive of the basketball operations department, he doesn’t have autonomy over organizational decisions.

When it’s all said and done, I wouldn’t be shocked whatsoever if Allen is the main man behind the push for Turkoglu.

by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You give Turk no credit for the Magic's ascent?

I know Hedo has mediocre shooting percentages, but he did lead the Magic to an absolute transformation over the past couple years. Howard played a bigger role, granted, but the offense ran through Turk as the primary initiator. Hedo doesn’t always get the assist, but most of the time, when somebody on the Magic got an open look, it started with Turk breaking down the D and making the right pass.

I don’t think he’s ideal – he shot 41%, had a lower PER than Outlaw, and will be ready for Turkish social security by the time a 5 year contract expires – but couldn’t it be true that he’s the best use of the Blazers narrow free agent window? Clearly, Hinrich should be a 10 times bigger priority, but I think a trade for the captain becomes more likely (if anything) after signing Turk. Obviously it removes any chance of a lopsided trade, but it would make Outlaw completely and totally expendable.

What FA signing would you advocate instead of the Turk? Marvin Williams wouldn’t be a bad idea, but there really aren’ t many attractive options to use 8 or 9 million in FA dollars to upgrade the SF or PG spot this summer.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this juncture, I'd avoid free agents like the plauge and try to work out some trades ...

to retool the roster. Yet, if the Portland Trail Blazers are foolishly determined to make some splash by signing a free agent, then I hope Trevor Ariza is signed in lieu of Hedo Turkoglu.

Right now, it’s looking more and more like the Trail Blazers front office was wrong to sit on Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract at last season’s trade deadline. I thought it was foolish at the time, too, but that’s just one man’s opinion.

by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To make that judgment

you have to assume that they could have picked up someone better than Hedo at the deadline. I’m not sure how you can know that.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is all speculation at this point: Could Harris be in the Works?

If you look at NJ actions over the past week, and look at KP’s moves, it seems to me that a trade for Harris should be on the list of possible moves.

New Jersey is dumping salary and acquiring expiring contracts in order to be far enough under next summer’s cap to be able to offer two max deals. Speculation has centered on them trying to lure LeBron and Bosh or possibly Wade. These two would be combined with Lopez and a bunch of role players to try to create an instant contender.

New Jersey dumped Carter and his huge salary for Alston, , and Lee of the Magic. Harris is still a long shot, but it seems possible that he would be available for a combination of expiring contracts and young talent.

The Blazers have Outlaw and Blake and would likely have to include Rudy for such a deal. Likely, we would need to throw in some picks and or take back other bad contracts, but this doesn’t seem entirely crazy. NJ might prefer Bayless to Blake. Both Blake and Outlaw have expiring contracts. Rudy would be a good fan favorite and likely a good fit with LeBron, Bosh, and Lopez.

Blazers depth chart:

PG: Harris, Bayless (or Blake), Mills
SG: Roy, Webster, Bayless
SF: Turkoglu, Batum, Webster, Cunningham
PF: LMA, Turkoglu, Pendergraph
C: Oden, Pryz, LMA, Pendergraph

I haven’t run this through the Trade Machine, but am pretty sure it is close to working. Blazers might need a back-up SG in case Webster’s foot doesn’t heal. It would be an amazing roster. Lots of flexibility and a starting five that would be a total offensive juggernaut.

What do you guys think? Is there any chance NJ would let him go? Do we have enough chits?

by upper left corner on Jul 2, 2009 8:09 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

trade machine wouldn't matter

because we are under the cap, we can take on however much from them we have cap room for – ex. Harris’ roughly $9 million we could trade Blake straight up and just take the $4 million cap hit

I’m in NO WAY saying they’d take Blake straight up, just clarifying that salary matching doesn’t matter for us since we’re over the cap

by KraigEriginal on Jul 2, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salary matching would matter, though

If we chew up our cap space by signing Turkoglu.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the move way Outlaw, Rudy and Blake for Harris

Wouldn’t Portland have more cap space?

Harris makes 8.4 million next year and Portland would be sending out 8.77 million. I think that Portland would have to take Najera’s contract too with the Diogu trade exception.

by parkinglotj on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that move would work

but not because of cap space. I’m not sure how the trade exception works, I think we have to renounce it to have the space to sign Hedo. But I’m no cap expert.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have to renounce ALL exceptions to use cap space.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, we would have to renounce all trade exceptions to get Hedo

That would make it hard to get harris

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-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops, once again cablin...great minds

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by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus, I don’t think KP’s plan would be to bring in two players who need the ball in their hands to be effective. I wouldn’t be surprised if he brought in Hinrich to stand in the corner and play defense with Turkoglu and Roy running the point. Chicago might want cap space in 2010.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah, just because Gordon is gone doesn’t mean Hinrich stays….

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The questions that have to be answered

1. Is Harris untouchable? We don’t really know the answer. I would think his presence would be appealing to the LeBron’s of this world. He doesn’t want to play for a team that has nobody.
2. How much does KP believe in Bayless?

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly why I think Jersey holds on to Harris. More incentive for LeBron.

 He may be done playing with role players if he doesn’t win next year, might want an all-star caliber player like Harris.

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I think it is - is a pipe dream.

As I mentioned in another post, just put yourself in Rod Thorn’s position. Even with salary limitations, he still has to try to put the best team together, both for next season and long term. He can trade a guy like Carter, knowing it is likely to cost some wins next year, because of where Vince is in his career compared to NJ’s new timeline and how much he costs.

Devin Harris does not fit that model. He’s just hitting his prime. He’s signed to a reasonably priced contract. He’s the best player on the team. He’s a PG, with the next best player (Lopez) being a center. Thorn just landed a promising young SG in Courtney Lee from the Carter deal. What GM breaks up a young, talented PG – C tandem that he has under control for the next 4 years? And for what? The chance that you might lure James and Bosh? Common sense tells me you don’t.

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by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, it is a longshot for sure, but to play devil's advocate

Thorn can turn that PG into a young, dynamic ticket-selling highlight reel shooting guard (Rudy), another young combo guard with a ton of upside (Bayless), AND 5 million more in summer 2010 capspace. That has to be at least considered.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess anything is possible.

Meaning I wouldn’t say a deal for Harris would or could never happen.

I just don’t see it as making a lot of sense. But then I’m not nor ever have been an NBA GM.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to lure LeBron

who do you want on your team? A PG who can get him the ball.

Might Bayless be that eventually? Sure. But they have a known quantity right now.

Devin Harris is one of the things that will help lure the big names. Lots of players would like to play with him.

I would be very surprised if he is available.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if NJ wants to get the rumored LBJ/Bosh package deal

then they need to clear enough room for 2 max deals. They don’t quite have that yet. Not saying trading harris is the only way to get there, but it is one way to do it.

I’d say if you have LBJ and Bosh, you want to a) surround them with guys who can shoot (Rudy), and B) make sure you give LeBron the ball.

From New Jersey’s perspective, maybe they view this as a 4 for 1 deal: Harris out for Rudy and Bayless (who COULD become Harris 2.0), and enough cap space to sign the LeBron/Bosh combo. If they believe they need to sign both in order to get either, it’s a pretty decent play. Worst case scenario, they make the deal and don’t get either. Ok, they still got 2 starting caliber players for the price of one, and they can use the space to grab secondary 2010 FA targets to fill in around Lopez/Rudy/Bayless/Lee. Boozer anyone?

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Complete pipe dream

Nets have absolutely no reason to even think for one second about trading Harris. They already have room to sign two max FAs in 2010, don’t they? They already dumped just about all of their expensive veteran deals. Harris and Lopez are the exciting young supporting cast necessary to lure Lebron et. al. to Brooklyn.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 2, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NJ has a minimum commitment of 24.999 million for 7 players for 2010-11, assuming they cut Najera and Dooling. Add 5 cap holds to that and you get up to 27.375 million.

starting year max contract salaries for 7 year veterans (LBJ, Bosh, Wade) is 16.5 million in 2008-09 terms. That means they need 33 million in space to sign both of them. In order to do that, the cap would have to be over 60 million. It is highly unlikely that it will be that high next summer.

But if they replace Harris’ salary with that of Rudy and Bayless, which also means they need one less cap hold, they are now at a total of 21.457 million. the cap would only need to be higher that 54.5 million in order to support 2 max contracts. This is pretty likely.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

once you get into the season, yes

but in the summer, no

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signature material

7/2/09 JSCOT admits to not having a clue.

90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did you ever do to him jscot?

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He killed my pa.

90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was L@ker fans who did that

Hey, did you just call me a L@ker fan? That’s an ad hominem, I think.

Oops, I just commented on your manner of posting. Did I do an ad hominem myself? This is so hard, I think I’ll go away and work. I wish I had a clue.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that was my step-pa

90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't have a clue about that, either

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are referring to the old drunk over by the Loyd Center ...

… I think that was me.

I have to give your dad credit though. Old guy moved quicker than I thought possible. Had to chase him up onto the sidewalk.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twice in a row.

A banner day.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Universally recognized sign of cluelessness.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clueless people wouldn't know that

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of ways to give Turklogu a $50M contract without paying him more than $10M in 2009-10

The following statement is misleading:

We know that the NBA Salary Cap is reported to be going down to $57.3 million. If this is true, to offer Hedo $10 million a year, we have to renounce the rights to Claver as well, or else make a trade that reduces our salaries in some other way.

When I first heard we were offering Hedo around a $50M contract, I understood it to be as follows:
2009-10 $8M
2010-11 $10M (125% increase)
2011-12 $12.5M (125% increase)
2012-13 $15.6M (125% increase)

TOTAL = $46.125M rounded up is $50M

While I’m still holding hope that this is the case (I’m not sure who we are truly bidding against – doesn’t Toronto have any interest in retaining Marion?); subsequent reports have said that it is a 5 yr contract which would mean that the first year could be even lower, if necessary.

by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Jul 2, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

125%

Is that how the rules work? I’m not an expert on that aspect of it. So to use your example, we could pay $46.5 million over four years and still only have a cap footprint this year of $8 million? I’m surprised that much increase is allowed, but I haven’t researched it, and don’t have time to do so.

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by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

almost positive it’s 8%

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess we do need someone to look it up.

I thought I had read that, but when I looked to find proof I couldn’t. Looks like 10.5% was the , which is significantly different – could have been lowered since per the posts below…(MY BAD!)

Some highlights of the terms of the CBA that goes into effect today include setting the salary cap at $49.5 million (up a bit more than $5.5 million from last year) with a luxury tax threshold of $61.7 million (the first time that teams will know that before the season starts), sets the mid-level exception at $5 million a year, sets a team minimum salary at $31.125 million, drops the maximum length of contracts from seven to six years with new free-agent pacts dropping from six to five years, drops the maximum salary increase from 12.5 to 10.5 percent

My point isn’t quite as drastic (you would be hard pressed to come up with a $50M contract in 4 years – but you can do the following:

YR 1:$8,100,000
YR 2:$8,950,500
YR3: $9,890,303
YR4:$10,928,784
YR5:$12,076,307
TOTAL: $49,945,893

If rounding is allowed (i.e. $45M ~ $50M) the numbers become smaller.

Round

by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

To do that, to get to a starting salary of $8.1 mil, we can keep our Euro holds if the cap is $58.1 mil.

If it is $57.3 as projected, we have to give up Koponen or Freeland. If it is lower than that, we have to give up both.

There is no way we can get to $10 mil/year unless we go out to 5 years, though. I’ll be surprised if KP is going to go five years unless you are talking a top star, it just seems totally contrary to everything he has done.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no confirmation on this, but I thought it was 10.5% raises for a “hometown” free agent and 8% raises signing someone else’s free agent.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK again

That means to get to $50 mil over 5 years you need a starting salary of $8.5 million.

That would put us at $58.5 million, so if the cap comes in under $57.7 we would have to renounce both Koponen and Freeland to do it. If it comes under about $56.8 we would have to renounce Claver.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think KP will at least try to get a future draft pick out of the Euros.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he will try to get Hedo for less money

and hang onto the Euros unless he needs a little cap space to make the next deal happen, too.

We may also see a sign and trade with Travis going back to Orlando.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m starting to wonder if KP has the Outlaw/Blake for Hinrich deal prearranged for July 8th…

We can easily just renounce Petteri and get pretty close to 50 million.

by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can that deal not go through until July 8?

What’s the reason? You’re getting my hopes up.

I’ve been confused about why the Blake/Outlaw for Captain deal hasn’t gone down yet and saddened by the speculation that Chi-town would hold on to Hinrich sans BG.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure if the trade can happen

but the Blazers would definitely prefer to do it after they sign htie free agent of choice because with the HInrich trade our capspace would decrease

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes perfect sense

So Trout/Blake for Hinrich works under the trade machine without any needed cap space because it’s within the acceptable % difference, but would still eat up a little bit of the Blazers cap.

So they maximize their offer to Turkoglu and then turn around and swap Trout/Blake for Hinrich.

Voila – significant upgrade at the one and the three. Huge boost to the defense and the offense. Three guys on the perimeter who can all shoot from deep, create off the dribble, facilitate for each other, and work the pick and roll. Instant championship contender.

Crossing my fingers in a BIG WAY that’s the gameplan…

I love the Turkoglu signing if Hinrich is the follow up.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edit eliminate the word "more" in the above heading - without paying him $10M ....

IMHO the offer to Turkoglu is legit, for one, because he makes us a better team next year – but possibly for other reasons …..

IMHO our lineup headed into next with with the # of years (under contract) noted.

PG: Hinrich (3)/ Bayless (3)/ Mills (1)
SG: Roy (6)/ Fernandez (3)/ OPEN – not used
SF: Turkoglu (5 – although I wish it were 4)/ Batum (3)/ Webster (4)
PF: Aldrdige (6)/ Pendergraph (1)/ Cunningham (1)
C: Oden (2)/ Przybilla (2)/ TBD (Padgett?)

Minutes (will be tight!)
PG Hinrich (30)/ Bayless (15)/ Mills (3)
SG Roy (30)/ Fernadez (18)
SF Turkoglu (25)/ Batum (18)/ Webster (12)
PF Aldridge (35)/ Pend-Cunn (6)
C Oden (24)/ Przybilla (24)

Turkoglu will spend some time at PF, Roy some time at SF, and Webster some time at SG. Webster stock is at a low, but if he can stay healthy and improve his stock one of the wings will be moved at the trade deadline.

by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Jul 2, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've hashed out the minutes before

If we have the same # of minutes lost due to injury next year as last year (not including Webster obviously), you get to add 16 minutes per game, spread it around however you want. But still, look at those minutes. That’s why it is highly unlikely that we sign Hedo without a HUGE trade already in the works.

"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups

by Kelsoballa on Jul 2, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this would never work

why would we pay somewhere around 10 million to Hedo to play 25 minutes? having him webster, Fernandez and Roy playing such limited minutes would be a complete waste of money and talent, and our opportunity. we cannot wait until the trade deadline to trade them. if we get Hedo, in addition to trading outlaw we need to trade either Webster or Fernandez, and they would have a smaller role. so if Rudy is unhappy with it we may have to trade him, and we could upgrade our PF position with Outlaw, Rudy and Blake, just like was explained in the post, all im saying is that there is no way that we can keep both Rudy and Webster. Also, if we end up doing a sign and trade, or somehow having some extra cap room we might want to try and pick up Ime Udoka, as a veteran reserve who can go in and play solid D or knock down a shot, and an insurance policy for Websters or someone elses injury. maybe since we wont be able to get Harris we might want to look at calderon, he averaged about 9 assists/game, he also cant be much worse on D than Blake. He wouldnt be the first option, but we might want o look into it

  point guard(30) Bayless(15) Roy(3)
  Roy(32) Webster(16)
  Hedo(24) Batum(20) udoka
  Aldridge(35) Hedo(10) pendergraph/ pryz (3)
  Oden (29) Pryzbila (19)

by raging WebTed on Jul 2, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post!

I’m pretty new to BE, but I really have enjoyed reading such great posts and thinking through the possibilities for next year. Speculation is fun, but we’re all paid to do something that we’re (presumably) good at which is not being an NBA GM. KP is paid what he is paid because he is better at making these decisions than we would be.

But it is fun to speculate! Can’t wait for the 8th!

I'm going to come up with the best line here ever, something really clever.

by musicdaniel on Jul 2, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to BEdge!

I also agree that KP & Co. will make the best decision for the team. Although they passed up on Blair this past draft, in my eyes they haven’t done anything wrong.

It is always important to note that they are more informed than we are.

I miss Martell. Come back soon!

by mannyfresh1 on Jul 2, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woops, this was suppose to be a reply to musicdaniel above.

Not to jscot, LOL.

I miss Martell. Come back soon!

by mannyfresh1 on Jul 2, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, great

Thanks a lot, manny.

How do you think it makes the new guys feel when even old timers like me are told they aren’t welcome? Huh?
-

Somebody should take that sentence you put in bold and make it their signature.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back!!

Even though you’ve been back for a while already, everyone missed all of your insight and posts while you were on hiatus.

Fantastic post jscot. Keep ’em coming!

Haha :)

I miss Martell. Come back soon!

by mannyfresh1 on Jul 2, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's nice to be back

if only briefly.

Even if I don’t have a clue.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick 31
We know that he saw some value in trading up to #31 which indicates they thought highly of Pendergraph.

I don’t think we know that Pendergraph was the reason to trade for 31. In fact I would bet that we did that trade with the idea of picking Claver there, and were trying to use 22 for someone else. That’s speculation, but so is the idea that we were targetting Pendergraph there.

by pualo on Jul 2, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

Though that trade was made fairly late in the day, so by that point KP may have already known he was locked in at #22. We don’t really know, though.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My theory is we traded to #22 to get Casspi for another team to package with Sergio.

Casspi was thought to be going to Sactown at #23 (which he did). We were supposed to grab him up before that for someone picking after us (I think it was Chicago), which is why we acquired the pick early. That deal fell through, though. Chicago makes the most sense because Casspi is a PF, and Chicago drafted a PF (Gibson) at 26. I think with Casspi, Claver, Gibson, Carroll, and Blair all on the board at 22, Chicago backed out, figuring they’d get 1 of their top 2 choices without giving anything up or taking anything back, forcing KP to take extra time to make a decision.

My other theory is that the Mavericks were going to take Casspi at 22. Sactown wanted Portland to facilitate a deal to pick up Casspi at 22 and they would take Sergio. One of the two parties modified the deal to be #31 instead, but I don’t know which one.

But that’s purely speculation on my part…

Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 2, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

Casspi. The most likely candidate, because you have to look at who we moved ahead of and what leverage we might want with those teams.

And since we ended up doing a deal with Sacto, that is the best theory for why we moved up.

by Blazin' on Jul 2, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it before,

This whole draft might have been about finding a way to move Sergio. At least after our other plans tanked.

I think Portland is paying a little price for its success. The Darius Miles thing. The Pritchslap business. It is probably significantly more difficult for KP to do his job right now. Especially at draft time.

by Blazin' on Jul 2, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it. They might as well have cut Sergio, they got essentially nothing for him and had to send cash along...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

Thank you for the effort and offering your insight

by Larry The Croc on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was really just the next step

in my plan for world domination.

But thanks, anyway.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must be kidding

This is the Internet. Reserving judgment is NOT ALLOWED. We must FROTH and RANT and ASSUME and JUMP to conclusions and FROTH some more.

So it has been written, so let it be done.

I’m reserving judgment on whether the moves so far or good or not, but I’m enjoying the hype and paranoia and all that stuff. It’s entertaining.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

NIce post

We are indeed clueless. But that shouldn’t discourage us for speculating. Otherwise, the suspense would drive us nuts.

Hopefully, our Fearless Leader (KP) knows what he’s doing. There’s a lot at stake this off-season for sure. It could make or break the Blazers’ future. (That and how Greg Oden develops.)

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jul 2, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I think the suspense drives people nuts whether they speculate or not. The difference is that when they speculate, you can look on the Bedge sidebar and SEE that they are nuts.

At least, that’s what I think. But I’m clueless, so who knows?

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be clueless, but I think you're onto something

I don’t think homo sapiens are wired to deal with uncertainty very well. One of the the things I love about this time of year is seeing how different people respond to the suspense. Some people step back and and get superanalytical; some put their faith in their fearless leader; some strive to uncover every piece of information and solve the puzzle; and yes, some go nuts. It makes for very interesting reading.

by Corvid on Jul 2, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And what does the fearless leader do?

As future ruler of the world, this is an important question to me. But the uncertainty of it is driving me nuts.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points as usual jscot

welcome back to the top of the sidebar :-)

MillsFanBoy

by appel82 on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm loving this offseason but I feel like it has taken

at least a few days off of my lifespan. I’d really like to have Hedo on the team, but I wouldn’t want to pay him anything near what he wants.

You have my axe!

by you have my axe on Jul 2, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

love the sig

Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave

by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

slash screen name

Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave

by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

thanks for the cautious consideration of the recent media reports. this type of media discretion and deeper scrutiny of the possibilities is just what i’ve come to expect and respect from BEdgers.

patience my son ...

by luna on Jul 2, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

very nice post j scot

by Ben. on Jul 2, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I'm important now

Ben noticed me and commented on my thread. If only Dave would look this way…..

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BRP better start hatin' on Jscot's sister, or his rec record might be in danger.

Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy.
by robrun2 on Jan 6, 2009 8:46 AM PST

by TheTinfoil on Jul 2, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Amazed! 72 recs for saying something that is pretty obvious (albeit in an extremely well thought out articulate way).

Can I get a rec for this comment?

p.s. Well done jscot! I keep hoping that this is all a KP misdirection play.

by 52therim on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

unrec

Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave

by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are probably right. I should just shut up and say nothing but...

1) I made an effort to be very complimentary of the poster

2) I really am somewhat amazed.
 -Most have said the entire off-season that if a trade is reported in the newspaper it is probably dead already and that KP was likely to do something that wasn’t even on our radar (which seems to be happening).
-This courting of Hedo is not likely a smokescreen. KP would lose all credibility with agents and future free agents
-This post was well thought out and articulate, but so are many posts that don’t get anywhere near the outpouring of love this one received.

3) My request for a rec was an effort at humor… probably failed. But I figured I would take some heat for my comment. I was hoping to keep it light-hearted.

by 52therim on Jul 2, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The unrec was humor too

"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii

by 92wastheyear on Jul 3, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obvious to those of us

who don’t spend our energy FROTHING and RANTING and ASSUMING, but not so obvious to the thousands (ok, hundreds?) of readers who haven’t rec’d this post… (Who are no doubt frothing and ranting because they can’t give it a thumbs down.)

"Portland's best years are still ahead. The Blazers aren't stalled yet. They have a ton of time left on the clock." - Dave, 06/29

by jorga on Jul 2, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was about to rec you for pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes

until I read your P.S. Epic fail!

What’s really funny is that jscot even admitted several times that he doesn’t know anything, yet the rec counter spins even faster.

Jscot is a big rec hog. Just wait until Mortimer gets here.

Jscot, you know I love you like any man loves his younger, smarter, better-looking, famous, insanely wealthy brother who married a supermodel. But honestly, 74 recs? When I saw that number in the sidebar, I thought you were announcing a cure for herpes. Who are you really, Ben Gordon?

by MiledAnimal on Jul 2, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Theories

1. In my quest for world domination, I’m building an army of minions, and I’ve unleashed them to rec everything I write. This would just be the advance guard (lets say the Scottish division, perhaps), and when the rest of my army arrives, we’ll establish an all-time SBN rec record that will never be touched.

2. Lots of Bedgers know I’m going to rule the world some day. When that day comes, they want to be able to point back and say, “Remember back then, I rec’d all your posts. I’ve been on your side from the beginning, when no one believed in you. You want someone loyal like me in charge of interrogation” (or taxation or reeducation or whatever).

3. Everyone loves me so much they just reflexively rec all my posts.

The third option is too far-fetched. I’ll let you decide which of the first two you think is true.

By the way, did you notice that if you strategically remove one space from #3 that it drastically changes the meaning? I think Portland’s mayor would appreciate that right now.

p.s. I don’t think you are a jerk, I thought it was a funny comment.

MiledAnimal is a jerk, though. (I’m almost embarrassed to say it, because it is redundant — MiledAnimal actually means “jerk”.) If Detroit wants to throw money at BG, who is he to say no? If Bedgers want to throw recs at my post….

p.p.s. MiledAnimal, you know I love you like any man loves his older, dumber, uglier, infamous poor relation who couldn’t find anyone to marry him and who always wants to borrow money. That’s how much I love you. We’ve got a thing going on.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's ok

I don’t rule the world yet, but I will, so I can afford to be magnanimous to those who disagree with my posts. Don’t worry about it — recs now might help you in future, but the absence of them shouldn’t hurt you — much.

You should understand that MiledAnimal and I agree on absolutely everything, so we have to say things like this so people don’t think we are the same person posting under different names.

He’s also probably younger than me, and undoubtedly better looking.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 2, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too late to make nice now, jscot.

I’m crawling back to my cave to lick my wounds and organize a rebellion. There must be something on the Internet about how to do that…

by MiledAnimal on Jul 3, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, thanks for the perspective

Finally, someone who lays it all out for us to take in. Props, indeed, are due…

If I hear one more person down on the whole Hedo deal I’m going to spew. Okay…maybe I was out in the sun too long today.

Oh I hope Mike Bibby is in KP’s plans. Better upside than ol’ man river Miller ( 2 years younger) and possibly giving Hedo a former teammate to call on in the PDX. There could be something in the mix for sign and trade for Bibby if a sign and trade is done for Turkoglu.

by BRLAGOSBMW on Jul 2, 2009 8:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I’m still eyeing these moves/prospective moves nervously, but the real proof will come in time. Great contribution as always jscott

Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009

by blazeraddict on Jul 2, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good post

the premise is mostly wrong but it´s still good.

by Falcao on Jul 3, 2009 6:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll add one thing most of us don't really have a clue about...

How good Turkoglu is.

Here’s one thing we DO have know: If KP is pursuing Turkoglu, he’s doing it based on stats and analysis that are about 100 times more advanced than anything you can find on espn.com insider. For instance, KP knows what Turkoglu’s three point percentage is on OPEN threes versus threes off the dribble or contested threes. Hedo’s decline this year might have just signified that he had to do more to carry the offense and take contested threes (which, anecdotally, he definitely did).

He knows what Hedo’s rate of success is in TEAM production every time Orlando ran a pick and role for the Turk. He knows how many of Orlando’s open looks started with Hedo initiating the offense. He knows how often guys Hedo score. He knows how Hedo’s presence affects team defense.

Teams like Portland have analytics guys who track all sorts of stats like this. Antiquated stats like PPG and APG and even TS% have to be taken with a grain of salt – there are more advanced ways to discern a player’s overall impact on the court, only we’re not privy to them.

So it’s a little surprising to me that SO MANY PEOPLE who have showered adulation on KP for the last two years would immediately doubt his analysis of a player they’ve probably seen five or six times over the past couple years, based on a few simplistic stats and the general popular opinions about the value of a player who just carried his team to the NBA finals.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Jul 3, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

KP spent about half his cred chips with the fans not drafting Blair and letting him fall to the Spurs...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 3, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We really need to wait on Blair

Something like 20 team doctors passed on him.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO WE DON'T!

We still don’t know…

"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

by GonzoFan on Jul 3, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well....

I think we can safely say they had serious interest in adding Hedo.

But we don’t have a clue what is going to happen.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jul 3, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutley.

From what I’ve read we DID sign him — and then he (or his wifey) changed his mind. This off-season is making me turn all schizo. Our knowledge is valid on an hour-to-hour basis. I wonder how KP feels about all of this.

Hedo is gonna end up watching us go deep in the playoffs this year from his home in Toronto. If that’s what he wants I’m glad we didn’t get him.

"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

by GonzoFan on Jul 4, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a clue but it turned out it was not Col Mustard

So now on to the others. The next hire will be less likely to be a FA for this amount of money and more likely to be two: a playmaker PG and a PF/Center backup.

by lee3022 on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Too bad.

Or lopsided trade for Point Forward X

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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