Junk 07/02: Stat Geek Challenge
by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 12:13 AM PDT
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So, apparently Hedo is either a decent FA pickup or not worth his asking price. I've actually heard arguments for both sides of the coin, plus an opinion that it could be a smokescreen. Also, he was once seen eating pizza. It would be great if there was a place I could go to get 36 hastily-assembled takes on the situation rehashing redundant talking points, but that's obviously a pipe dream.
So, let's make the best of it and put our collective heads together on something I've literally been losing sleep over: a puzzling statistics problem on a project I've been working on.
The only way I know how to explain this is in an imaginary example, so bear with me:
Let's say I own a company, and the company has six main products. I have $600 I'd like to apply to advertising and instead of divvying it up equally I'd like to put more money towards products that are struggling than those that are not.
So I draw up a report for each product to see how each is doing. Unfortunately, I use an unusual reporting system that spits out numbers that are percentage-like but definitely aren't percentages. Here's a breakdown:
Product A: -1.9
Product B: 1.5
Product C: 4.0
Product D: 5.6
Product E: 6.2
Product F: 6.3
(negative numbers mean the sales fell short of the goal, positive numbers mean they exceeded it; a 20 would be a perfect score)
Obviously, Product A could use a lot of help while Products E and F are pretty well set. I can tell A needs a good amount more dough than any of the others, but how much more?
Well, this is kind of where things fall apart in my little accounting act. My instincts say that I should find the average for all products (here it would be 3.7), then calculate the distance of each product from that, trying to find parity between all six. Anything below the average gets its share of the $600 multiplied by its distance while anything above the average gets its share divided.
That works fine in theory, and even makes sense in a human-logic kind of way: Product C, for example, is only very slightly above the average, so its share would be right around the $100 average. The wheels come off for me, though, when I start attempting to multiply or divide by values less than one (Product C would be a +.3, which would have the opposite effect of what I intended) or accounting for the possibility of dividing by zero (which should be zero effect, or 1:1).
I kind of seize up at that point and try to imagine a negative number represented in a pie chart or try to wrap my head around dynamic ranges or whatever and then feel bad and decide I'm curious to see if someone's got a new take on Hedo. Then repeat.
So, any ideas where I'm going wrong? Or maybe there's just somewhere I've gotta go right that I'm just not seeing?
If you came here to talk about sneakers or balls or celebrities or all of the above, congrats on making it this far and you're officially absolved of all necessity to comment on this dilemma. If you're ridiculously smart with numbers and can see the fallacy in my efforts, though, please let me know - it'd really save me some grief!
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could you weight by a distribution
where you did something like weight the amount of money received by 1/(the value of the distribution at that point) for values to the left of the mean and just by the value of the distribution for events to the right of the mean.
you might also scale the mean to 1, but it will no longer be a probability distribution
This would at least avoid a division by 0 problem
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 2, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I've considered something like that..
but for some reason it didn’t work.
Just for clarity, I’m thinking you’re suggesting I convert the distance values, in this case being:
-5.4, -2.2, .3, 1.9, 2.5, 2.6 (Products A-F subtracted by 3.7)
to:
1/5.4, 1/2.2, .3, 1.9, 2.5, 2.6
If that’s the case, what if I get a value of, say, -.2? That’d translate to 1/.2, which still sticks me with the ‘dividing by a decimal’ problem.
I’ve also thought about adjusting the mean to 1, but wouldn’t that turn a -1 into a 0? If so, that’d just switch the values without addressing the problem per se.
Of course, I’m commenting on things outside my expertise, so correct me if I’m wrong. Oh, and thanks for responding!
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dividing by a decimal is not a problem
it is just the same as multiplying by a number greater than 1, but the problem with the model we are talking about right now is that there is no constraint on the number of dollars you would spend.
I was thinking about this problem a bit more and I think what you really need is something that tells you how much your profit goes up for every advertising dollar spent for each product. Then this just becomes a maximization problem. Let me know if you have something like that, otherwise we could just make up some fake rates of return/advertising dollar and then maximize.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 2, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the issue may be...
that you are trying to reach a goal of 3.7 which is the average of the numbers. But why would you want your 6.3 to drop to 3.7? I think to begin with, when trying to even out the numbers, is to pick a goal. This goal should be between 6.3 (your highest number) and 20 (perfect score. Let us assume that your marketing strategies are equal from one product to the next, and that the $600 will meet your goal. If the goal is 6.3 for example, the difference becomes:
A – 8.2
B – 4.8
C – 2.3
D – 0.7
E – 0.1
F – 0.0
Then, you add those differences together and find the percentage of each to the total, so
A – 50.93%
B – 29.81%
C – 14.29%
D – 4.35%
E – 0.62%
F – 0.00%
You take those numbers into the amount of money you are throwing at this marketing scheme ($600) and you determine how much is needed.
A – $305.59
B – $178.88
C – $85.71
D – $26.06
E – $3.73
F – $0.00
If however, you are trying to make all your numbers a perfect number, you take the difference to 20
A – 21.9 – 22.28% – $133.67
B – 18.5 – 18.82% – $122.92
C – 16 – 16.28% – $97.66
D – 14.4 – 14.65% – $87.89
E – 13.8 – 14.04% – $84.23
F – 13.7 – 13.94% – $83.62
I think that last option would be the way to go, as you said 20 is a perfect score. If after this marketing campaign is over and the numbers didn’t reach the max potential, then you re-evaluate and redistribute for the next marketing campaign.
by actwentysix on Jul 2, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two comments in over an hour?
The junkers are slackin’
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell me about it.
Isn’t there some kind of competition for worst junk drawer?
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that mark won't ever be achieved again
Communism is the very definition of failure.
by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude what did you expect?
I go to the JD to take a break from work
your first sentence has the word H*do on it and then you unleash this crazy statistic problem. I almost cried.
by medmelon on Jul 2, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can cry on my shoulder
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
turn around
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer your original JD question, it really depends how effective your marketing is.
Is each hundred bucks going to barely move the meter or is stuff gonna’ really rock and roll?
I think the reason this is so hard to solve is that you don’t really know. Here’s your numbers:
Product A: -1.9
Product B: 1.5
Product C: 4.0
Product D: 5.6
Product E: 6.2
Product F: 6.3
If every hundred bucks moves your product 1 point upwards, than you’d want to assign ~475 bucks to Product A and ~125 bucks to Product B, which would then give you these numbers:
Product A: (-1.9 +4.75) = 2.85
Product B: (1.5 + 1.75) = 2.75
Product C: 4.0
Product D: 5.6
Product E: 6.2
Product F: 6.3
However, if your marketing campaign moves it 3 points per hundred bucks, that distribution would be lame:
Product A: [-1.9 +(4.75*3)] = 12.35
Product B: [1.5 + (1.75*3)] = 6.75
Product C: 4.0
Product D: 5.6
Product E: 6.2
Product F: 6.3
As you can see, you’ve given too much weight to product A in the second scenario.
The bottom line is that there’s no one formula that can tell you what to do unless you know what your marketing is going to do. Then it’s just like assigning limited talent points when you’re creating your own player on NBA Live…you just assign marketing money to the products as you please.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10the average value would be 7. If we divide the average by the value and then apply that ratio to the value, everything balances out nicely. In the case above, the ratios would be:
7/2 = 3.5
7/6 = 1.167
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/10 = 0.7
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10the average value would be 7. If we divide the average by the value and then apply that ratio to the value, everything balances out nicely. In the case above, the ratios would be:
7/2 = 3.5
7/6 = 1.167
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/10 = 0.7That’s what I’m looking for – those ratios. The problem I’m running into with this formula is that any number that’s 0 or less (negative) throws everything out of whack. Does this clear things up or make it more confusing?
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aah!
What the heck?!
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah i was wondering the same thing ;p
i’ll see if I can slog through it.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see if it works the second time..
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10the average value would be 7.
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10the average value would be 7.If we divide the average by the value and then apply that ratio to the value, everything balances out nicely. In the case above, the ratios would be:
7/2 = 3.5
7/6 = 1.167
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/10 = 0.7
Yeah.. this is definitely over my head. I wasn’t even thinking about gradations of effectiveness (I’m sure there’s a real term for ’em).Let me give you a really simple example (more for my sake than your own):Let’s say the products all come in positive – it could look like:
2
6
8
8
8
10the average value would be 7.If we divide the average by the value and then apply that ratio to the value, everything balances out nicely. In the case above, the ratios would be:
7/2 = 3.5
7/6 = 1.167
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/8 = 0.875
7/10 = 0.7That’s what I’m looking for – those ratios. The problem I’m running into with this formula is that any number that’s 0 or less (negative) throws everything out of whack. Does this clear things up or make it more confusing?
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Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh crap.
Whatever. The ‘real’ comment begins with the last ‘Yeah’.
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I got the idea. Response below.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... checked your math, totally works..
If I could do math, that is.
* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...
by OdenFanBoy on Jul 2, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any reason why you can't just add
2.9 to all your original figures and just do away with all the negative numbers while maintaining their original realtionship to one another?
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by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make a very similar suggestion
but how much to add to the list of numbers depends on why some of the values are negative in the first place. If a scale that produces the negative numbers is the problem, then I would want to convert the scale into one that does not have negative numbers. But, I’d want the converted scale to make sense.
For example, you could add 100 to every observation, which would remove the problem of dividing by a negative number problem, but that might not give you the ratios that you want. Getting the right ratios requires rescaling the report in the right way.
My intuition would be to add 20 to every observation since you said that 20 was perfect score and I’d assume -20 is the worst possible score.
by PoliSam on Jul 2, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post made sense?
Wow cool…..since I am not a stat guy….just a pratical math user ….I thought I might have made a fool of myself
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I figured out, too!
Except it took me roughly a week and a half and until 3:30am to do it, so congrats.
I’m guessing the +2.9 solution isn’t the MOST accurate, but it’s more than close enough for my project.
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re accuracy
That is what I was thinking too but if I was trying to come up with some down and dirty numbers it seemed to make sense (at 6am too) .
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think you’re getting too tied up with making averages and stuff. Keep it simple.
What products need marketing?
The ones that are struggling.
How much marketing?
Enough to get them up to even with the other products.
After that, distribute the marketing evenly.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think..
that solution could be attributed to the shortcomings of my example as an illustration – my bad.
Let’s say everything’s gotta have SOME money going to it, but an amount inversely proportionate with its strength or weakness.
Hence my pie chart reference. If there is one meager slice and five large ones, say, then find the average (where all slices are equally-sized) and calculate a ratio for each slice that will expand or contract it to said average. Overall, that’s pretty easy and straightforward.
The really tricky part comes into play when dealing with slices of the pie that have either zero value or negative value. I know that’s basically impossible, so I’m trying to find a workaround of some sort.
p.s. You’ve already put way more time into this than I would have if I were you. You can consider yourself off the hook any time you wish and I’m very appreciative for your help!
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by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think you need to know how effective your marketing is going to be.
Even if we use your new “easier” numbers, we still have to know what marketing is going to do.
Product A: 2
Product B: 6
Product C: 8
Product D: 8
Product E: 8
Product F: 10
If we devote 50% of our budget to Product A, does it go to 4.5? 10? 19?
If it goes only to 4.5, then we have to spend a HUGE chuck of our money on it. If, however, it jumps to 19 with only 50% of the budget, we can obviously spread our money out over the six products more evenly.
Your process should be this:
1. Raise Product A to the level of Product B
2. Raise Product A and B to the level of Product C
etc. etc. until all products are “10s” with Product F. Then any additional funding leftover is spread out equally.
The key factor here is your marketing’s effectiveness. If it’s super effective, then your funding is going to be spread out pretty evenly over all the products. If your marketing is weak, then the majority of it is going to go to the top of that list (Product A).
Having a negative number really doesn’t matter—the problem you’re having isn’t that—it’s that you have two variables and you need to solve one (marketing effectiveness) before you try to figure out the second (the ratio at which you wish to divide your marketing funds).
Hopefully that helps. I’m headed to bed either way ;-p I’ll check in in the AM and see if anyone else was able to help ya’.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What post should I read first when I get to work?
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking
I just read something from Ben and looks like there’s a new hater in our midst.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I’m in that thread now. One of the Lakers blogs has a rule that you can comment when drunk. Maybe BlazersEdge needs a rule that you can’t write a FanPost when you are high on meth.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or 10 years old
Communism is the very definition of failure.
by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your avatar is amazingly boring
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It symbolizes the darkness of my heart since S4E was assassinated
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when I was reading it
i kept thinking of the Alec Baldwin speech in Glengarry Glen Ross
i actually expected him to scream “cap space is for closers!!!!!!”
by medmelon on Jul 2, 2009 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is such a great movie..it's mandatory watching at our work...
you read that right Prez
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as it's on company time and dime ;-)
hahahhah j/k….but seriously, is it really worth watching?
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would break the censor-box you got hooked up to your DVD player
Lotsa naughty language.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really really worth it
al pacino, ed harris, jack lemmon, kevin spacey, alan arkin, etc…
can’t go wrong with those
by medmelon on Jul 2, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just click on Norsk's profile and read his latest 100 comments
that’s all ya’ really need ;-p
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got banned today for the first time. A proud day in my SBN career.
Oh, and read Blogabull. It’s like Hedogate, only much more bizarre and with the moderator swearing.
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that
I like how you didn’t plan it.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there must be some history between the two
otherwise it seems the guy from Blogabull lost his cool pretty early and started dropping f-bombs all over the place.
and his first green comment is priceless
by medmelon on Jul 2, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its blogabull ... you dont really expect it to be family friendly
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the swearing at blog-a-bull really cracked me up
by PoliSam on Jul 2, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a riot
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still thinking about what you suggested to do in a point diff post several weeks ago.
There just no easy way to pull data of the net, and it presents a significant hurdle for me.
I may chunk away at it a little at a time.
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THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Norsk sorry about that...
Pretty sure Scott was on his period.
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by Aisander D on Jul 2, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys gonna rec this or what?
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 2:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ahh, fine. if you're THAT desperate that you have to beg...i guess i could spot you one.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good description of the Memphis locker room
Imagine THAT locker room
Thabeet and Gasol off grunting in the corner, Z-Bo and Arthur chiefin’ ona kill, O.J. Mayo seeing if he still has any NCAA eligibility left so that he can return to USC, DeMarre Carroll hooked up to an EKG machine, Conley texting Oden every ten minutes
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 2:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they may be the new worse team in basketball
the last 3 worse teams all have something in common(hint: its zach randolph)
new york, clips and now memphis
also that deal makes very little sense
by phillyduck23 on Jul 2, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
.
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 3:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
still awake, ehh?
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny guy
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 3:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dood
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 3:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I missed it
What happened? Why was he banned?
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by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
If you e-mail him on Facebook, he’ll give you the rundown.
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, will do.
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by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
I thought he’d be back before free agency started. :-(
by Corvid on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't just banned
He was given the treatment from the movie Misery.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was hobbled?
She Hate Me
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drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
!!!!
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 4:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i am so lonely
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 4:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Join a chatroom
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by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have you buddy
Communism is the very definition of failure.
by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got a cam?
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at work
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is crazy
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love ... love ... love
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how are you Tim?
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
swell
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm not much to say huh?
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope not really
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
alrighty
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
adios
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
later
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by L-TrainFTW! on Jul 2, 2009 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love you
I went to the malls and I balled too hard
'Oh my god, is that a Black Card?'
I turned around and replied, why yes but I prefer the term
African American Express
by Claire on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sooooooo jealous right now
KIDDING KIDDING KIDDING
She Hate Me
"oh I served BRP all right
drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 2, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kidding like the kidd in your sig?
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont get it...
She Hate Me
"oh I served BRP all right
drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 2, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok 12Sharks, I know this isn't what you are shooting for but...
When I was a youngster, my old man had a family business and he told me about a scenario just like the one outlined above. He said that if you wanted to be really be efficient with your ad dollars, never spend it on losers. Instead spend money advertising on products that are already doing well, saleswise. The reason why is that you will be exposing the popular product to even more people than would just walk into the store. This would allow you to make even more money on that popular product which would allow you to take a loss on the unpopular product and still be waaaay ahead
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is this another post about Hedo?
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you for or against Team Hedo??? hahahah
or just indifferent….
after yesterday, and seeing both sides of he argument, i’ve become indifferent and back to junking….
Go Blazers no matter what happens
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indifferent almost to the point of not caring at all
I’m not going to complain about things that might happen. And with Hedo, if it’s not a sign and trade, we know more moves will follow.
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like ur sig
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tanks
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was supposed to be
I was half asleep when I wrote it and it somehow turned into some weird thing about ad dollars
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep..
I was going to mention that, but didn’t want to confuse the issue.
What kind of business did your father run?
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furniture store
and also consumer electronics at another time
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeh, i thought about that as well but i decided just to roll with the theoretical model of each advertsing dollar helping equally on any given product
but yeah, in reality, you’d probably want to just advertise your awesome stuff and let the lame stuff bite the dust
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if Toronto is looking to sign/trade for David Lee...that means they would probably package Shawn Marion to D'antoni's Knicks...
would that give them more space to get Hedo?
even though i did say Canada sucks yesterday, Toronto is a super fun city…
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 6:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, josh childress has a really nice 'fro
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by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 6:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If 20 is your goal for each then sum all differences from 20,
that sum total is then your 100% of you $600
in this case sum total is 98.3
so 98.3 = 100% of you total distance
and $600 = 100% of your money
$600 divided by your total distance (98.3) is the factor (6.1038) to multiply by each point.
When you add all the dollar amounts in far right column you’ll see it adds to $600
this assumes everything is linear which it is not.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 7:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"from 20" in table above = distance from 20
factor is in dollars i.e. 6.1038 dollars per each 1.0 of distance.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you in the east coast?
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vancouver WA
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
graveyard...wow, for how long?
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by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
got off about 3:30 tonight, not really grave, it's a combo gaurd variety
most on swing, a little on grave, but the grave guy is on vacation so I’m staying a little later.
But seriously I should be in bed by now.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some unknown reason I had to answer the problem in the post.
Then html wouldn’t take it so had to put it in paint then upload to flickr yada yada
10 minutes turned into an hour.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy smokes
Thanks for going to all that trouble!
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I don’t like the answer
actually 92wastheyear has the real answer
if you chose 10 as your goal all the numbers change. If you keep your goal above the highest rated product you don’t have to deal with the negative numbers, I took the easy way out.
I think you’re more on the right track with averaging the numbers.
There is no right answer from what I can tell. i.e. is $600 really enough to move all products upwards, it so then choose a goal above the group.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow here I am back at this problem,
that’s because as I was reading thru the junk again and realized something. If you choose a lower goal say 10, proportionately more money will be given to the worst product verses using 20. Likewise if you choose 6.3 which is your highest rated product (F) then no money will be allotted to prod F very little to prod E and the bulk to the lesser products. Hence (in theory) leveling out your products faster.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what is everyone doing for the 4th?
Has anyone heard of any cool happenings in town? I’m trying to figure out something cool to do with my friends and we haven’t heard of anything happening.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just realized that
I used the words cool and happening too many times in two sentences :)
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worry it’s cool, I’m totally cool with it, everything’s cool…brrrrrrrrr
I’m still trying to get to bed tonight, and can’t even think about the soon happening 4th until then.
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by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
working
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lame.
Do you get paid overtime?
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah double time
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our place if you work the holiday (and you are hourly)
…you get doubletime and a half…..(1.5 for the hours worked plus holiday pay). I am salaried though …so I just take the day off (and in this case another day off tomorrow since the 4th is on a weekend)
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might get that
I get 8 hours worked, 8 hours holiday, and a holiday worked premium.
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds the same
most places that have paid holidays do it similarly…..so cool for you (if you are money grubber…which I suspect you are)
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to be
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This junk drawer is like working…
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Jul 2, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm gonna be in philly twiggs!!!!!!!!!!
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 2, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Block Party
on our cul de sac. We have a potluck BBQ and when it gets dark, we go down to the roundy part, pool all our fireworks and light them all off at once
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
light them all off at once
What, like, throw them all in a fire? That’d be awesome.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Jul 2, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah that would be awesome
but I was fibbing about that part…but we do pool them and one big fireworks show …..scorched earth in the cul de sac
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year,
I went down to My Father’s Place (super dive). They had 1 dollar man-can PBR’s. I played some mean pinball and safari hunter. When the fireworks were about to go off, I walked out onto the bridges with everyone else, watched the fireworks and then returned to the party… I’ve been downtown before, and that’s pretty crazy…
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The beach is the best.
I always go to the beach for the fourth. Grew up in and still live in the city, so I like to get to the beach and watch a few fireworks, stare at the ocean and make a giant fire. That’s my kinda fourth. Ya dig?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Jul 2, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a good way to do it.
Although sometimes the coast can be as crazy as downtown…..
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting home is usually crappy. It’s always slow traffic and there’s usually a few fatal wrecks, and those aren’t cool.
Downtown is fun. Did that a lot as a kid in the late eighties early nineties. It’s a little different now, but it’s a nice city and it looks good with fireworks.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just chillin' in Tri Cities
The fireworks launching station is like 1 block from my house, so we’ll probably just watch ‘em from our back patio. Seriously couldn’t pick a better spot.
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half of Portland must be going camping this weekend
I went to REI around lunchtime and it was a madhouse in there.
by Corvid on Jul 2, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like REI is ALWAYS a madhouse.
That place is crazy.
"Man, you are one pathetic loser. No offense."
by Roybot on Jul 2, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave is incredibly far off base on Ariza
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the only thing I worry about with 8 million is precedent. How much do we then pay Rudy, Batum etc.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in his post, Dave seems to suggest that Outlaw and Webster are better than Ariza
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Ariza is the same with Calderon
They may be an upgrade, I just don’t think the upgrade is worth the hassle. I don’t want to go from a C to a B-, I want to go from a C to an A or A-.
90% of winners overspend, in the sports world, "losers" graciously talk about "value" most of the time
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calderon is a solid B+. There aren’t many As out there.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Batum's potential?
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by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's prime is starting now
I don’t want to wait for Batum to hit his stride if we don’t have to. I’d love to plug a well above average SF into the starting lineup and go for a title now, while Batum develops playing a reserve role.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza and Batum are both so young, and both so similar...
…I say, pick which one ya like better, and if it is Ariza it is Ariza— but then move Batum, who won’t get any development or use behind Ariza.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic is already the better outside and FT shooter and shot blocker and doesn't turn the ball over as much (doesn't handle it as much either)
I would definitely keep him, in year 5 (Ariza) he should be much better.
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy still won't get a ring until Oden become the Oden he should be
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so by that logic should we stop trying to improve the team and send the entire payroll of TrailBlazers, Inc to Columbus?
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Columbus?
But I agree with Tom; we can upgrade at PG and SF, but our best chance at winning a title is Oden becoming Oden.
The upgrades will make it easier, and, in theory, make it easier for Oden to stay on the floor longer.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Columbus is where Greg is, is it not?
Of course Oden becoming dominant is our best chance to win a title, but given that we have no idea if he’ll become dominant, I’d like to see us pursuing other avenues to that end also.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh ah ah ah I getcha
I forgot where Ohio State is. I was trying to make it a company’s name, or some reference to his advanced age (Columbus the explorer?), etc.
I agree, we gotta do all we can to improve the team, other than Greg developing.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
But my logic takes into account what window the team will go out for its championship.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's why a WIN NOW move like Hedo makes less sense
I think Hedo would make us better, but not at the age where Oden will be great.
Ariza makes more sense, age wise, but with him I think Batum will be better once we get to the age where Oden is Oden.
It’s a tough call.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is at least some logic
to Hedo being a bridge to make us better now while waiting for Oden/Batum/Bayless to make us better later
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
I just dislike how it’s someone whose defense could inhibit Oden’s development, because it’s another seive where one did not exist as much before.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am gonna admit
that I haven’t seen Hedo’s poor defense…the only defensive work I have seen him do was against Kobe in the finals (then only a little) and was somewhat impressed at how effective he was.
That being said …I get what you are saying.
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised to see the post on 3rdQuarterCollapse that showed that Hedo is statistically an above average defender
After seeing that, I’m less anti-Hedo than I was before.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see him as similar to Blake
He knows what to do and where to go, but his body doesn’t enable him to stay in front of guys.
He isn’t a Z-Bo, just not trying. He’s a Blake.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but unlike Blake, Hedo has the height and saavy to make up for that to at least some degree
David Thorpe called Hedo a net positive on D, which combined with the numbers, is definitely worth noting.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's worth more than what Dave offers, money wise
BUT, I don’t think he’s THAT much better than Batum, and while is offering is better defense in general, not at a position we need.
I’d rather develop Batum, personally, and use the cap space money elsewhere. I think we can improve at the SF spot, but would rather improve elsewhere, and what Ariza does isn’t THAT far from Batum.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza is a lot better than Batum
a lot better.
I love Batum and think he can be as good or better than Ariza eventually, but an Ariza/Batum platoon would be sweet. 48 minutes of quality defense and efficient, non-ball demanding offense.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If who we get is meant to grow with the team
Then ya pick whoever ya think will be better in 2 years. I don’t think Ariza is enough of an upgrade, and Batum has a VERY good chance to be quite a bit better, to warrant using our cap space on Ariza.
I would love to have Ariza, but not over a potential upgrade at PG, or at least a defensive upgrade there.
Ariza is better right now, but not enough that it isn’t totally feasible than Batum could be quite a bit better in the near future.
If we’re choosing one player to use our cap space on, I wouldn’t be upset if it is Ariza, but I’d rather address a bigger position of need.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you that a PG upgrade would be more desireable
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
It’s like KP’s spending all his time to upgrade a working carburetor when the car has four bald tires.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or at least tires
with a caesar haircut
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 2, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and while I know our SF's are relatively weak
I just don’t think we need an upgrade there, with what seems to be available. Not when it’s perhaps our best position defensively already, and a role player defender is perhaps the best thing for a team like ours.
SF is a positon we can afford to develop future star-role-players like Batum or Webster. PG, on the other hand…
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I've liked Ariza ever since his Knick days, when I was living in NY
They were crum bums to ditch him, and so was Orlando. You could tell he was gonna be a good player.
From watching him then, and seeing Batum now, I think Batum will be better, so I am disinclined to offer Ariza a big deal. I think Batum is better off the ball, has a chance to be a point forward, a better ball handler, and better at his age than Ariza. And Ariza isn’t a big enough upgrade to be a WIN NOW move; it’d be for the future as well.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ariza absolutely is a big enough upgrade to be a *win now* move
He’s one of the top 5-10 perimeter defenders in the league, and has an above average PER. WP48 thinks he’s a top 10 SF. Giving Outlaw’s minutes to Ariza (while keeping Batum’s about the same) would be worth several additional wins for the Blazers. Perhaps 3-4.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say, we get em both
We will fill our roster with 6’10’’ tweeners that can play every position. We’ll the NBA version of the dominant Detroit Lions with their 9 WR’s on offense. No one will be able to match up with us. Our roster will have everyone listed as our starting and back-up SF. Mike Rice will no longer have keys to the game.
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to purge some friends
WWE is going to be here on Sunday and we have a friend who works for WWE. We could have had free ringside tickets but about 8 other friends said they wanted to go, so we got good seats but not ringside because we needed 10. Now four jerks have said they can’t go and I’m pretty sure they can, they just changed their mind about going to WWE.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's lame.
WWE is really cool to see live. Surprisingly entertaining. about 100x better than on TV. I’ve seen them 2 or 3 times in Portland and had fun every time.
by DrivetheLane on Jul 2, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is blog a bull so upset?
Every time I popped in there last year, they were complaining about how BG sucked. Now they’re sad???
by Section323 on Jul 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He caused wars
I think they’re more upset they lost him for nothing, and still paying Deng soooo much cash, and Hinrich.
Some loved him, some thought he wasn’t that great, all seem upset to lose him for nothing. If the Bulls weren’t planning on even making an effort, why not trade him?
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They always mad
I just stopped going over there.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From JE Skeets
He said on Twitter than Shaq showed this pic to Ferry at his press conference—
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Should I go to Stonehenge or Hampton Court Palace over the weekend?
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If it were me, I'd probobly go to Stonehenge
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so. I originally wanted to go tomorrow since then you could have gone within the circle on some tours
But it would cost more, it could have rain/thunder tomorrow, and I’m tired to go so early. So I probably have to do either or on Sunday. Hampton Court is nice, but a bit like Versaille or other castles that I already know.
Problem is I have seen most attractions within London once or twice already so now I’m looking at the nearby attractions.
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Standing in Stone Henge during a thunderstorm
would be Zach-ing awesome!!!!
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to go out like Miraculix the druid
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that being struck by lightening
while standing in Stonehenge might in fact turn you immortal….either that or being bit by a radioactive spider….I can never remember which
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already returned from the damned banned today
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach yeah it would!
Certified blazer.fangirl
by Roybot on Jul 2, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RT @russbengtson: If the Knicks are pursuing Grant Hill and Jason Kidd, shouldn’t I be reading about it on Netscape Navigator?
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that.
Pretty funny.
Certified blazer.fangirl
by Roybot on Jul 2, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was gonna look like this
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that dude stole my bike!
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 3, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict he has an even better rebound rate in his rookie year than Love or Oden did this year.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does not look fat at all.
I’m definitely going to start taking weight loss drugs. What was Darius on again?
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on another note...rotoworld headline: Rubio Staying in Spain for two years
Ricky Rubio will remain in Spain to play for his DKV Joventut team for the remaining two years of his contract rather than try to move to the NBA this season, El Periodico reported today.
The paper also says Rubio plans to withdraw his contract lawsuit against the team. This is a very fluid situation and information could change on a daily basis, but it really looks like Rubio may finish out his contract in Spain rather than play for the Wolves. Jul. 2 – 2:44 pm et
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press
by jstbeachy on Jul 2, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger and BDL chat now
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/27257
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/BDL-Chat-?urn=nba,174407
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
[Comment From RB]
Can you please explain why Portland wants a 30 year old inefficent scorer? Help me with the logic.
3:08
KDonhoops: Because he was on TV a lot this spring. Sorry for being flip, but that’s what drives it. Every damn summer.
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Grant
is going to teach Oden how to take a rebound under the basket, hunch down, like he’s poopin’, dribble three times, then go up and get his shot blocked.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oy
I’m about to go eat lunch but all I can think about is Greg hunched down like he’s pooping
by chalupa king on Jul 2, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha
That’s what I always said about Grant also. I hated how he LOOKED when he did what he did.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always said he thought dribbling was a stat
He was always trying to pad his bounces.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Junk
Turns out it’s a fanshot. It might have been in last nights JD too, but the trib page wasn’t working last night.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Junk
Turns out it’s a fanshot. It might have been in last nights JD too, but the trib page wasn’t working last night.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich, Thomas for Travis, Martell, Blake
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't see how Marty is tradeable though
What with the worries that his footsie ain’t right.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should try to medically retire Martell
That always works out well.
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we sould try to medically retire DeJuan Blair.
Out of spite.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thomas backing up aldridge
that’d be funny
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade for Rudy Gay and Rondo
and our domination of the 06 draft would be complete
She Hate Me
"oh I served BRP all right
drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 2, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a rumour?
a trade idea?
EXPLAIN YOURSELF, SIR!!!
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's being mysterious
Just to drive up his website’s hits!!!
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you should
Put his decapitated head on a pie plate (ungreased) and make him watch 4th quarter of 2000 WCF on one TV and Hanna Montana on another
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this real or what?
Don’t tease me. Thomas is a knucklehead, but his defense might counter Hedu’s lack of defense.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SB Nation is broken for me
It’s slow and logging me out. It even called me the n-word.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it gave me some lame 503 error whilest i was fixin' up my fanpost
mean ol’ thing
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger kind of endorses Shav
Carter ((Virginia))
Give us a free agent that you like, that didn’t make your under-rated article and no one talks about. I’d take Shavlik Randolph, he’s still pretty young, good size, puts up solid numbers, but was hurt, and then buried on a deep Portland team.
John Hollinger
Actually, the guy I’m kicking myself for not putting on there is C.J. Watson, who quietly had a very strong year for Golden State and is still young enough to get better. Randolph wouldn’t be a bad pickup as a fifth big for the minimum, though.
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The junk drawer should write a fanpost
I’m thinking the title could be, “KP’s real target is a trade for Boozer.” Anything with Iverson would work too.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AI is a vet who has been to the Finals
He’s even won an MVP.
I don’t see anyone else on our team who has been to the Finals and won the MVP!
We need an upgrade at PG. AI is a PG. Nuff said.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
His nickname is The Answer,
Coincidence?
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 3, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got another one
KP Sign Big Baby Davis as the Back-up PF Now!!!!!!!
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's a question
if you can pick up ONE guy for free, which Davis it be? Big Baby or Baron?
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are 6 Jones in the NBA
I bet you can name 4 of them.
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't you mean Joneses?
;-p
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i mean, jonesing
as in, I desire the Williams Clan to play the Smith Clan to be overseen by the Jeffersons.
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the rights to play the winner
of the Brown/Johnson match up
I’m taking the Smiths all the way.
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about trying to assemble half of the 2004 olympic team?
We might be able to Boozer, AI, Marion, and Marbury… We’d might need to trade roy for Okafor
by EvilKaramazov on Jul 2, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger chat: "Frye most likely going to Denver or Phoenix."
by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
frye in PHX would work.
I think Denver is still smarting from the time Frye dropped 24 or whatever on them hahahaha
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it is PHX
Frye might not fit in well with some in the Denver locker room.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chauncey would be cool
Anyone else think of Menace II Society when they hear the name “Chauncey?”
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think of the name
Chauncy Uppercrust
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News!! Portland picks up Hedo and Hinrich
I finished my season on NBA Live09 and I traded Blake, and Trout for Hedo and Capt Kirk in two seperate deals
This was after I won the championship against Boston in 7 games
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!
It’s been awhile since I’ve played my NBA Live 09 game. Lately I’ve been playing MLB 09 The Show and Oblivion. I never realized how much fun role playing games were until my older brother let me borrow his Oblivion game and I instantly became hooked.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can never get into those things...i'm way too dang competitive
i want to beat somebody. I want there to be a looooooooser. Gotta’ play Halo/COD or NBA Live
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've gone online a few times
but I always seem to get my $&% kicked, hehe. There’s not much fun in losing all the time.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 2, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have AK and Jake on your podcast
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you
that would be a awesome group hahaha
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before
he was the first cat I ever contacted about podcasting, but he stood me up.
I still luv u S4E
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prez, I have to admit something
I ad hominenly attacked you in jscots basketball post
Sorry, reality was a blur. I couldn’t tell the difference between a basketball post and the JD. And it really wasn’t my fault.
I had two options, make a remark on one of the best posts we’ve had in a long time in the midst of a Hedonistic post fest, or shamelessly disparage a girlfriendless mod. I mean really, what would anybody do – I threw mud.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Jul 2, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when given the opportunity
a good ad hom attack on prez > whatever the other option is (unless Adriana Lima and chocolate is involved)
She Hate Me
"oh I served BRP all right
drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 2, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link?
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I need to open this up to everyone
I think I say “but” way too much. You folks have probably noticed that or something else. I noticed this one guy says however a lot. Ben says, “must read” a lot, although that’s kind of unavoidable when he does the Full Court Press so often.
Anything else you folks would like to point out?
Oh yeah, and Dave says “sweet jugs o’ honey” a lot.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you probably say "butt" more than you say "but"
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
You’re right. I heard I’ve typed “sodomy” here more than anyone else.
by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you know you own 12.46% of the "butts" on Blazers Edge?
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 'booger' is the great equalizer for humankind.
EVERYONE has a booger some time or another… no matter what your gender, religion, or dastardly non-white ethnicity you are.
We can all hold each other’s boogery hands in harmony.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I am guilty of but abuse also
Oh wait,that didnt come right.
by southern oregon on Jul 2, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd argue that one guy types too much...
She Hate Me
"oh I served BRP all right
drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say "but" and "though" a lot.
AK says “indeed”.
92wastheyear sez “DURRRRRR” more than anyone!
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truth
I also say “Albeit” quite a bit
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jul 2, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say
MORTIMER
more than anyone
Look...I love Trevor Ariza....But $32-$40 million?!? That better be a 16-year contract. --Dave
by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SO DOES YOUR MOM
SNAPPAGE.
Ohh, Mortimer!
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say “though” and “i think” too much.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not "Hinrich"?
Looks like timg56 doesn’t like you mentioning Hiney no mo’ ;-) Don’t worry, you haven’t mentioned him too much.
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s been a little frosty toward me ever since the argument we had after Blake’s 14 assist game.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh?
I didn’t know that, I’m sorry…
What was the argument?
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely you're saying Blake proved he was an elite PG with that game, right?
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one guy was arguing that the one quarter “proved Blake’s ceiling.”
I used the example of Mike Cameron hitting four homers in a game and still being mediocre and it evolved into this really odd baseball debate.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, it’s fine. He was arguing that Steve was on the level on Rondo and Harris. I stayed pretty civil, we just disagree on most things.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? I don’t remember an explosion, and it certainly wasn’t on the level of the “Bayless Debates” that scot, ulc, and others were involved in at the time.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember for sure if I called anyone an idiot or not
by jksnake99 on Jul 2, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, you didn’t, but nima did. I just searched the thread.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone was arguing that anomalies prove something, which was funny.
by Cablinasian on Jul 2, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs