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The State of the Western Conference



A quick, premature and informal break down, starting with the defending champions.


Los Angeles Lakers - So you just won an NBA championship. What's the next logical move? Screw around with your championship roster by acquiring the one player that gave your team fits in the playoffs. The big question mark will be what will Ron Artest do to the fragile locker room psyche of the Lakers? A team many believe just plain don't like each other. Can Phil Jackson and assistant coach Kobe Bryant keep reins on such a character? Regardless, this championship team just got a little more championshippy and remains the team to beat in the Western Conference.

San Antonio Spurs - The Spurs are a great team with All-Star talent. Don't expect a full dynasty collapse just yet. While reeling from injuries, an off-season of respite may just bring this dark horse back to hoisting a trophy come June. With Manu healthy, Duncan getting help from McDyess and Tony Parker probably not having to drop 35 points a night the Spurs are a much more balanced squad. A huge steal from the draft in DeJuan Blair doesn't hurt either. Expect this old dog to still have a few tricks.

Phoenix Suns - The Suns are an interesting case. By all accounts they should have a great team, but something just seems to be missing that keeps them from being a big contender. It could be their coaching. It could be the looming and realistic possibilities their star players will jump ship. It's probably the defense. They can put up as many points as they can give up. They're more than capable of battling for play-off position but the chemistry is all wrong and until they get a legitimate defensive piece expect more mediocrity in the Sun.

Denver Nuggets - The Denver Nuggets did exactly what they needed to in the off season - not much. The Nuggets deserved everything they earned over the season and remain strong. They got the one-and-done monkey off their back, competed at a championship level and showed great maturity. George Karl is one of the best coaches out there but his players are prone to something between tantrums and pouting. You'll see them in the playoffs but another shot at the Conference Championship is long.

Utah Jazz - It's hard to predict where the Jazz will end up. They're obviously solid. Well coached, play both ends of the court, have a true team leader in Williams. The front office is the big weakness for the Jazz. Uncertainty can shake morale and undermine on-the-floor performance. If they make the play-offs, no surprise. If they have a Suns-esque season, no surprise. If they lose a few players due to a budget crunch, no surprise. The Jazz should end up like the state they play in, bland.

Dallas Mavericks - You can't talk about the Mavs this season without talking about Shawn Marion. A regrettably brilliant move from Cuban and his staff. It's tough to say one player can change a whole team but Marion should bring it. The Mavs of 08/09 were good but seemed frustrated. Perhaps with coach Jim Carrey (Ok, EVERYONE has made that joke) or perhaps with one another. Marion should anchor the team a bit and bring a defensive presence to the perimeter and around the boards. Also, I have to mention J.J. Barea. Perhaps he had a fluke season because it seemed Cuban made him in a lab and no one was able to scout him. It should be interesting and entertaining to see what he can do this year.

Houston Rockets - One word comes to mind when you look ahead for the Rockets: Ouch. Their best season in years is capped off by losing both centers and a key small forward. Unless T-Mac can turn back the hands of time and there are some big acquisitions for the Rockets, they'll be rebuilding for a while. Brooks and Scola showed flashes of brilliance in the post-season. Shane Battier is still one of the best defenders in the league. Trevor Ariza should help with scoring at the three. But all these elements still shouldn't be enough to overcome such a blow to your team. It'll be lucky, and nice, to see them win 41.

Memphis Grizzlies - The fact that ESPN.com has the Grizzlies with eight players on their roster and have Jaric listed at the ambiguous "GF" position doesn't instill much confidence. Memphis has made itself out to be NBA kryptonite. Players would rather go to the D-League or the YMCA than Memphis. They have some good players, sure. Conley is good. Mayo is good. Randolph is good. But they're Memphis good. What to predict from the Grizz for the coming season? Empty seats.

Los Angeles Clippers - By all accounts the Clippers should be much improved this year. Does Blake Griffin make them an instant play-off contender? No. Does the supporting cast? Yes. The Clippers, if they stay healthy, have an outstanding roster on paper. They have a tremendous coach in Dunleavy. This may be a team that goes from laughing stock to scary good the fastest in NBA history. Even though he's a rookie, Griffin is a basketball freak created by the Gods. Any team who underestimates the Clips in the coming season should be served humble pie.

Golden State Warriors - The Warriors go into every game with a 50/50 chance of winning. Not a lot will change in the coming season. Expect them to jack up shot after shot while Nelly drifts in and out of an eyes-open nap through his patented hands-off coaching style. Could they make the play-offs? Sure they could. They have the players to be a really good team. They just never seem overly concerned with winning. I'd like to say their draft acquisitions will help, but expect more video-game basketball.

Sacramento Kings - Another underwhelming team in the Western Conference. The front office made some moves for the Kings, getting Nocioni and Rodriguez. Will those pieces be franchise-changers? Probably not. The Kings still lack an inside presence. Hawes is a big boy and a decent player, but with all the weight on his shoulders to be a true big man things don't look so great. If you're looking for improved three-point shooting, mission accomplished and congratulations. If you're looking to contend in an incredibly difficult conference, good luck!

New Orleans Hornets - The Hornets are an intriguing piece in the conference. They're very zen in the way that they could beat any team, but any team can beat them. The Hornets seem to believe they're better than they actually are. That can win you some games but it can also lose you some games. Too much is being put on Chris Paul. There needs to be a shooting guard to accompany him or else I fear this team becomes two-dimensional and squanders world class talent on the roster. They're fast, they're somewhat balanced and they play adequate defense. But I'm afraid they continue on the low-tier of the play-offs and get beat by much more complete teams.

Oklahoma City Thunder - When previewing a season it's always going to be tempting to say the Thunder could make the play-offs. You look at the roster and see the potential. Then you look at the age bracket. Two pieces are missing from the Thunder: a true center and a veteran leader. While the future looks bright for the Thunder, the less patient fans may want to focus on the Sooners for a few years. I'm sure the front office is clamoring to find the right pieces for the team and a marquee name to fill empty seats. But the conundrum is that the Thunder need to start winning to get those pieces, and to start winning immediately they need those pieces. The easiest team to compare them to would be the:

Portland Trailblazers - The Blazers have a lot to be excited about for the coming season, even after an unusually quiet off season from general manager Kevin Pritchard, who fans have come to expect fireworks from every year. The Blazers reached and exceeded goals set before the 08/09 season. Team leaders Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge continued a steady, albeit quiet, climb to becoming premiere players for their positions. Joel Przybilla had probably his best season in the league, showing harrowing toughness and establishing his role as enforcer. Even the rookies got in on the act. Rudy Fernandez has already become a fan favorite with several electrifying plays, a spot on 3 point shot and fiery demeanor. Defensive specialist Nicolas Batum surprised everyone this side of J.J. Barea, holding ground against the best players in the league and sparking a bit of a rivalry against Los Angeles Laker Pau Gasol. However, Greg Oden continued to worry fans and draw media attention with injuries and spotty play. Fans shouldn't be overly concerned though. Oden played about two thirds of a season and was more or less rehabbing the whole time and the microscope is shifting away from the big man, which many believed was the cause of some of his questionable play on the court. As far as 09/10 goes, the Blazers, in theory, should only get better. The concerns are going center around the play of now back-up point guard Jerryd Bayless, who will be thrown into the role after limited play last season and remains to show a consistent skill set at the position. Also, after such a great season can the Blazers continue to climb uphill or will this be a (some might say overdue) one-step-back year? But if they do continue to excel, then the play in the post-season has to be assessed after a disappointing first round to the Houston Rockets. However, for their youth and experience the Blazers are still way ahead of the curve and could end up number two only to the Lakers.

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The day the Clippers serve anyone humble pie

the four horsemen of the apocalypse will be riding through.

by aimlessgun on Jul 19, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The Clippers could have been good last year.

If they’re healthy, they’ll be serving a pie or two.

by LewisClark on Jul 19, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but they are the Clippers!

Something aweful will happen to them….the kind of stuff that only happens in the Twilight Zone and to the Clippers.

They have to deal with the curse of Donald Sterling, for cripes sake!

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Jul 20, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

Clippers fans must be the purest fans of basketball on the planet. Or…

by LewisClark on Jul 20, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike is a good coach?

This is news to me.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I mean… REALLY?

the fragile locker room psyche of the Lakers?

Phil Jackson handled Dennis Rodman well, Artest should be a walk in the park.

The Spurs stole my idea of McDyess + Blair, McDyess being able to teach Blair how to succeed in the NBA without great knee’s.

If anyone has a fragile locker room, its the Nugs.

Jazz’s front court is going to be the determining factor for them winning or losing.

Mavericks made a great move to get Marion for cheap, but they don’t have anyone to contend with opposing centers & that will hurt bad in the playoffs.

Rockets with Yao being out, perimeter D should still be good, but like the Mavericks center is a big question… Except they don’t have Dirk at PF.

Hornets need a 2 & a 3. Chandler is also a big questions.

OKC has a freakishly young/talented 1/2/3… But 4/5 is still going to hurt them night in and night out.

Warriors/Grizzlies/Clippers//Kings – Bottom of the western conference barrel

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 19, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm convinced the Lakers hate each other.

There were some pouty performances by the Lakers this season, even in the playoffs. If Artest does his “I made my first shot so now I’m firing all game regardless” routine, it could hurt.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jul 20, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Best thing Mike Rice ever said was in one of our wins against Houston. Something along the lines of Artest hitting like 4/6 shots in the first quarter was a good thing for us because it meant he’d keep firing the rest of the game. He went like 2/12 or something the next 3 quarters, we won, and Rice looked smart!

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have a tremendous coach in Dunleavy

Have you ever read the during-game commentary that Bill Simmons wrote after watching the Clippers play with his courtside buddy? They weren’t all that impressed with Mike

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 19, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Simmons has a personal axe to grind with Dunleavy. I don’t think Mike’s a great coach, but I’m not using Simmons as the basis for that belief.

life is better as an optimist

by Cablinasian on Jul 19, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont care what Simmons thinks

I think Dunleavy is one of the worst coach’s in the game.

by southern oregon on Jul 19, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dunleavy is also the only

gm / coach in the league and his done a pathetic job at both. the clippers are going nowhere next year. good overall analysis though.

by colinmarsh on Jul 19, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twice

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 20, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons take on Dunleavy is similar to Simmons take on Oden

Either one could save a baby from drowning in rapids and Simmons would still call either one a poor swimmer. He just has unjust hate for both.

However, Mike is a terrible coach.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons

Doesn’t like Oden because Greg had the best game of his career(against a good team) against Boston & we beat em.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 21, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons also said Orlando would be lucky to win 1 game against the Cavs last year.

Who is that guy, really? Dunleavy has been to the NBA finals once and to the Conference Finals twice in his career. As a Blazer, he was a helluvalot better coach than his successor.

Dunleavy is better as a coach than Simmons will be at anything in his life.

by Benjamanic on Jul 20, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU.

Finally some respect for Dunleavy.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jul 21, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How I see it

1. Lakers
The defending champs will once again be the favorites to represent the West in the Finals. We all know what they are capable of, but what about if things go wrong? Kobe has a lot of miles on him especially in these last two years. When do all those games catch up with him? They’re playing hardball with Odom, a key piece in this year’s playoff run, and he may not return which would leave them dangerously thin in the front court. Bynum keeps showing flashes of great play and keeps getting injured. If Bynum goes down again and the Lakers don’t resign Odom they are going to be in serious trouble.

2. Spurs
The San Antonio front office is one of the best in basketball and they proved it once again this off season. They’ve reloaded their team very well considering the lack of tradeable assets they had. Age and injuries will be the main stumbling blocks for the Spurs yet again this year, but their championship pedigree and their excellent “starting” 5 (Manu could start over Mason) make them the team most likely to topple the Lakers this year.

3. Blazers
I’m going to give our team 3rd place in the West because I think this spot is wide open and I might as well favor our team. I’m sure you all know what this team is capable of so I’ll just list some key questions we have heading into the upcoming season.
What Greg Oden will we see next season? Consensus number 1 draft pick Oden or foul prone awkward Oden? This is the biggest question for the team.
What will KP do with our capspace? It looks like we’re going to sit on it for the rest of the off season, but maybe come the trade deadline a good deal will materialize.
What kind of improvements will we see from guys like Batum and Bayless? These guys are mostly potential and could grow their games tremendously.
What kind of improvements will we see from guys like Rudy and Aldridge? These guys have well defined skill sets, but that doesn’t mean they can’t add more to their repertoires.
How will the team do in tough (playoff, road, elite opponents) games this year? Will they apply what they learned last season?

4. Nuggets
They are returning all their main players from a team that went to the WCF. They’ll have a whole off season to work together (instead of learning on the fly thanks to a big early season trade). They are a threat to return to the conference finals. However, this is a team that can often leave you scratching your head. They’ve got talent, but sometimes that’s just not enough. This is the one west playoff team that you wouldn’t be surprised to see finish 2nd or 7th even without a major injury occurring.

5. Mavs
Signing Gortat would have catapulted them into the elite tier in the West, but, thankfully, the Magic matched. The Marion signing should give them the depth to move up the playoff ladder and challenge for homecourt advantage, but their age and potential for injury keeps them in 5th place. This is a team that could put together an impressive season with their veteran know how and excellent starting 1-4, plus 6th man Jason Terry. However, the age of their primary players and their lack of a decent center will no doubt doom them at some point.

6. Jazz
Injuries derailed a team that some thought would challenge the Lakers last year. Utah never developed any consistency after their 2 main players spent the first part of the season in suits instead of shorts. There is still bound to be much turmoil as long as Boozer remains on the roster. 6th in the West may seem like a slap to the face of a team that has their level of talent, but I think this is more a product of everyone else in the West getting stronger while the Jazz tread water. The Mavs, Spurs and Nuggets all acquired a player within the last year to boost their win total and our Blazers are maturing into a deadly team while the Jazz have stayed put.

7. Hornets
New Orleans has Chris Paul, David West, Tyson Chandler and not much else. Once again they will fully exploit CP3 during the season, but will only earn a low seed and a first round exit. There just isn’t enough talent around Paul to make the Hornets a greater threat.

8. ???
This is where it gets tricky. Houston, Phoenix, OKC, Golden State and even the Clippers have a shot at this spot. There’s no clear cut 8th seed. Houston lost Yao, but they have a scrappy team that is surprisingly good at playing above their heads (see: 22 game win streak and taking the Lakers to 7 games). Phoenix still has Steve Nash, but he’s getting old. They can score a ton, but that’s about it. The “Thunder” are young, improving and could surprise some teams just like the 07-08 Blazers so don’t count them out. Golden State is like the Suns in the sense they can outscore anyone on a given night, but they have a very unbalanced roster. The Clippers with the addition of Griffin and the subtraction of Randolph could put together a half decent season, stranger things have happened.

The dregs:
Grizzles: They’re Zached
Wolves: They should have drafted more point guards.
Kings: The King is dead.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jul 19, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

Phoenix will win regular season games. Nash-Amare-Hill-Richardson-Barbosa-Lopez with Genry’s style of play will get them the eighth seed.

life is better as an optimist

by Cablinasian on Jul 19, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They might get the 8th seed just because no one else is there to step up

but I’m reluctant to even pencil them in. Nash could fall apart at any moment, Amare is stupid enough to not wear his goggles and get poked in the eye again. The chances Grant Hill puts together another relatively healthy season are slim. Basically, only one thing has to go wrong for them and they’re back in the lottery. Or, one of the other teams I listed could get hot and steal a few games and leapfrog them.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jul 19, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually believe in the Clippers

They have great, veteran starters in Camby and Davis, with young and blooming starters in Thornton and Gordon. Add in the element of Griffin and this team could be going places.

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 19, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's all they have though

Yes their starters look good

PG – Baron Davis
SG – Eric Gordon
SF – Al Thornton
PF – Blake Griffin
C – Marcus Camby

But their bench consists of Kaman, Ricky Davis and Q-Richardson… Yeesh that’s bad

by Souwantmyname on Jul 19, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Signing Gortat would have catapulted them into the elite tier in the West"

Umm Gortat isn’t bad, but this is giving him waaayyyyy too much credit.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not a matter of Gortat single handedly becoming a monster

but they need a real center, badly. Just having a strong, defensive minded center in there who isn’t Dampier goes a long way to helping them win. A seemingly minor upgrade can be a surprisingly big help. Their 4/5 rotation consists of Dirk, Dampier, maybe some Marion and then scrubs. They need front court help in a big way and Gortat would have provided that. I can’t think of any other acquisition that would have helped them more.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jul 20, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dwight Howard!

Or Joel in a more realistic world!

Gortat would have helped that team, but not sure if he’d put them into the elite tier. (Yes, I have Dallas at 3 and even adding something wouldn’t put them into elite tier simply because only the Lakers are there for now.)

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my guess as to finish

1. lakers – the lakers were very smart to jettison the highly over-rated trevor ariza and acquire artest instead. artest is every bit the defender ariza is and more. he’s very physical and drives other stars crazy. he also intimidates damn near everyone though most would never admit it. i’m somewhat surprised at the odom thing; losing odom would be a big blow to LA but even without him they are the cream of the crop in the west again. with him, you can hand them #16 now.

2. spurs – people have been predicting there demise for about 3 seasons now but this time everyone seems to think they will be great. maybe this means this is the year the bottom actually does fall out? i doubt it. they actually helped themselves exiting the playoffs early. this team really only needed rest to be a contender but instead they got richard jefferson & mcdyess on top of that. damn them!

3. denver – this team probably needed to do the least this offseason. they locked up birdman and added ty lawson. this would appear a smart pick for them as backup pg may be their biggest weakness and lawson was probably as nba-ready as any pg coming out this year. their run in the playoffs should really improve their confidence going into the season and having their core intact from the start of training camp shouldn’t hurt either.

4. dallas – their offseason moves bug me more than anyone’s. had orlando not countered the gortat offer i’d rate their offseason moves even above san antonio. shawn marion may not have worked in miami and toronto but i think here’s a near perfect fit in dallas. holding onto jason kidd who will see significant rest in the regular season due to barea’s progression makes good sense too. their division also got a lot easier due to houston’s collapse. everyone pray to your deity of choice that they also don’t somehow end up with odom.

5. portland – not the offseason they were hoping for but even so they do have a bona fide superstar in roy and and excellent young player in aldridge. oden or batum could surprise in the coming campaign although batum may fight for minutes. point guard is a huge question mark as the team seems to be relying on steve blake to repeat his career year from 2008 / 2009. if he reverts to the form he’s shown the rest of his nba career the team could be in trouble. if he repeats his ’09 campaign they could challenge for the northwest division and even the 2nd seed. barring a FA signing their only other pg options are jerryd bayless or playing roy and fernandez in a 2 sg back court. the bench looks solid with fernandez / przybilla / outlaw but one has to expect a trade to free up the logjam of mediocre wing players. it will be hard for anyone to stand out at the 3 with the roster as it currently stands.

6. utah – i see utah pretty much treading water. they have a superstar in williams and 2 near all star power forwards. it will be hard for utah to use both on the floor at the same time and they lack good wing & center play. they are well coached, will be tough at home and atrocious on the road. y’know pretty much we’ll watch the 08/09 season again but with fewer injuries and more drama over playing time.

7. new orleans – this team could surprise. they have pretty much been written off as dead but they, like san antonio, could benefit from an early playoff exit. this team needed to get healthy and they’ve had an opportunity to do so. tyson chandler remains a hornet so for the time being the combo of paul / west / chandler is still pretty good although their wings are weak.

8. phoenix – another team written off for dead but i believe things are honestly looking up for them. that’s not saying much given how far they’ve fallen the last two seasons but the disastrous terry porter experiment is a nightmare of the past and with a healthy amare , a resigned steve nash and maybe a break-out lopez brother the suns will be back to their high-scoring, quick playoff exiting ways.

9. oklahoma city – this team will certainly be entertaining. it appears they will not sign david lee away from the knicks which continues to shock me but they have a nice core with durant / westbrook & green. at this point i assume they plan to be big players in FA in 2010 after seeing what they have with a full year under a coach that isn’t awful. ( speaking off, is their another nba team out there dumb enough to hire carlisemo again?)

the rest…

houston has gone from my dark horse western conference winner to the lottery in about 2 months. that said i really don’t think i’m over-reacting. scola & brooks are a nice young duo but what do they have around them at this point? yao is so critical to this franchise. some of their complimentary players, without yao to complement are more or less scrubs: chuck hayes & von wafer come to mind. i guess you could rate landry above that but not by much. i just don’t see how this team is going to generate any offense and defensively big men will kill them. ask yourself this? what’s their starting 5? i have no idea either.

minnesota could be entertaining but they will be in a brutal division and will be at the wrong end of a large number of beat downs. the clippers look great on paper which means they almost certainly are headed to the lottery again. the grizzlies seem intent on dethroning the clippers as the nba’s worst franchise. the kings will remain irrelevant and might be number one on the list of likely teams to be moved to another city. the warriors will be tough at home and hopeless on the road. maybe nelson will play 5 guards occasionally this year, who knows?

did i forget someone??

by colinmarsh on Jul 19, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I put Phoenix over New Orleans next year.

I think the chemistry in New Orleans is going to deteriorate.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jul 20, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't really argue with that switch much...

to be honest 1,2 and 3 i feel pretty good about. 4 and 5 are a toss up and 6 through 8 all feel about the same. i think there will be a large gap between 8 and 9 and i have no idea thereafter.

by colinmarsh on Jul 20, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya know

after the rockets play like crap this year (probably) They could then get the 1,2,3, pick? and then just be dominate bastards, If Yao comes back healthy after being out the year

by blazerfan80 on Jul 20, 2009 3:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yao could be done for good.

And if he comes back we’re probably not going to see the same Yao as we did before.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jul 20, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe

ilgauskas came back from the same surgery and had several healthy years after being constantly injured for awhile. it’s certainly possible that yao is done; humans are not designed to be 7-1/2 feet tall.

however if he does have even one healthy season left houston could luck into a great lottery pick and have yao coming back. i hadn’t considered this but it’s not out of the question.

by colinmarsh on Jul 20, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we're doing this!

1. Lakers- They lose in the playoffs this year though.
2. Blazers- Homerism, or less faith in the Spurs than everyone else? This team is the same right now, only with more experience and hopefully a much scarier Oden.
3. Dallas- They win regular season games.
4. Denver- Not any worse than last year really, but not better like most teams.
5. Spurs- Jefferson adds a little firepower, but everyone is a year older.

This is where is gets tougher. These 5 teams should be a notch ahead of the rest.

6. New Orleans- They have some PG who is pretty good.
7. Utah- Will find a way to injure themselves into the 7th spot.
8. Houston- No Yao? No problem. They can be Laker fodder in round one.
9. Phoenix- Again
10. Clippers, with a respectable record this time.

Another big drop.

11. Golden State- Going nowhere fast.
12. OKC, the hype this team is getting is silly. D-FENCE!
13. Memphis- Luckily for OKC, lots of other teams suck more.
14. Minny- Like these guys
15. Kings- And these guys!

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent rundown.

I like the Clippers at 10, I doubt they make play-offs but “respectable” is the right term. I don’t think OKC is hyped necessarily. The consensus seems to be that they have a lot of talent on the offense but it can only get you so far. The Blazers at 2 isn’t homerism, I just think everything rests on Bayless shoulders. Then again we can run Roy at the point, in which Roy, Fernandez, Martell, LaMarcus and Oden are a scary offensive group.

I’d put Golden State last just because I’m still bitter about our match-ups from last season and the horrible officiating involved.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jul 20, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warriors still have loads of talent I believe

To be fair, I’ve paid very little attention to GS, Minny, and the Kings this off season so my guesses there aren’t terribly educated.

And as for OKC. Everyone is talking about legendary battles to come between our two teams. There are some serious differences though..

We won 32 games when Roy/LMA were rookies, and that was before adding Rudy, Batum, and Oden.
We won 41 games in Roy/LMA’s second years, before adding Rudy, Batum, and Oden.
We won 54 games last year in Roy/LMA’s third years, with the 3 rookies Rudy, Batum, and Oden.

OK won 23 games this year, and that was with their completed team sans Harden. It was also the second year for their biggest star. So… their 2 big names in their second year won 23 games and are adding Harden.
Our big 2 won 41 in their second year and added Oden, Rudy, and Batum.
41 >>>> 23
Rudy, Batum, Oden >>>> Harden

How does anyone expect this to be a rivalry anytime soon?

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

23 wins doesn't really tell the full story

first off they started the season with pj carlesimo at coach, a guy who forced his best player to play out of position and second their record after the 1st of the year was bad but not anywhere near as bad.

i think in 2009 there were 20 and 30 or something like that. that’s a 40% winning percentage over 3-1/2 months. i don’t believe the idea that they can make the playoffs this year but i do think they could improve to around .500.

by colinmarsh on Jul 20, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OKC won't crack 35 wins this year

You heard it here first!

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 21, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And all the hype Harden is getting as the next Roy is ridiculous.

Any time Detroit scores more than 100 points and holds the other team below 100 points they almost always win. -Doug Collins

by TappedPotential on Jul 21, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

old, old, old, sort of old, very old, old, old...

In 3 years this looks pretty easy

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jul 20, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if denver is sort of old...

aren’t the blazers sort of old…

top 5 position players minutes wise on each team

denver / portland

chauncey 32 / przybilla 29
martin 31 / blake 29
nene 26 / roy 25
carmelo 25 / outlaw 24
smith 23 / aldridge 24

average 27.4 / 26.2

i mean that’s not the biggest difference in the world is it?

by colinmarsh on Jul 20, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

chauncey and martin are more important to the Nuggets than Blake and Pryz

do an age comparison of their core vs our core

chauncey 32 / roy 25
carmelo 25 / aldridge 24
smith 23 / Oden 21

average 27.6 / 23. 3

thats a fairly significant difference

Call Brandon Roy by his real nicknames: The Natural and Roybot. Lets put an end to "B-Roy"

by #7TheNatural on Jul 20, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would go so far to say that it's Billups that matters most

that team is in trouble if Billups age catches up with him

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

Billups is considered a savior for that team, but his significance is blown way up. Yes, Billups helped, but it’s not like he was the only thing that changed on that team.

1. They lost AI. Even without getting Billups, this is a good thing.
2. They got Birdman
3. They got Nene

Nene was a ridiculously efficient scorer and Birdman (ugh) was pretty good off the bench. Adding Billups helped, but without adding those two Denver would have been fighting for a playoff spot and definitely would not have made the WCF.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 21, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that a healthy Nene was very important

I still give Billups the edge over him though

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jul 21, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Billups may have been the most important

But ALL you ever hear is how Billups is God and how Detroit goes to a billion ECF and when Billups comes to Denver the Nuggets make it to the WCF. Nene/Birdman/-AI are COMPLETELY IGNORED.

Billups is good, but he is probably one of the most overrated players out there since people seem to put him at the MVP level.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jul 21, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can one sentance nullify a post?

“They have a tremendous coach in Dunleavy.”

Yup! ; )

by Blazersaurus on Jul 21, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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