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Trade Drawer 7/20/09



With the reported matching of Milsap's contract, and the empty drawer of big name FA, it is only natural for people to look at trades.  And there has been some news reported that will make people start to think even more about the possiblity of using a trade to bring in a big time player.  So with that in mind, here is the trade drawer for today, please post your thoughts and ideas about what the Blazers should do via a trade here.

Star-divide

 

As for my trade idea, well it is really Storyteller's idea I believe but it was the best deal we could offer to get CP3, who's GM btw said there is "no way" we will trade CP3.  But to feed the masses here you go.

 

Hornets trade

CP3 13.8mil

James Posey 6 mil

Portland Trades

Rudy 1.2 mil

Bayless 2.1 mil

Blake 4 mil

Outlaw 3.6 mil

 

Portland would have to renounce the euro's or include Batum to make it happen, possibly both, (i didn't do the full numbers, but it will work)

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You must feed....the masses

Are you the messiah of trading? Seem to be plenty of other people who have the same idea…

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 18, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice sarcasm Taskmaster....

I didnt read anywhere in this post that said or suggested that the author was “the messiah” of trading.

I really wish that those who dont like/agree with an authors post would just shut the hell up, not post a response and move on to the next web site that will inevitabley irritate them.

Though it is not completely my place, let me just say for everyone who feels as i do…..KEEP YOUR SARCASM TO YOURSELF AND MOVE ON PLEASE!!!!

To the point of the post, CP3 may never be traded but its a nice day dream.

by blazerbeliever97504 on Jul 19, 2009 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should heed your own advice

I really wish that those who don’t like/agree with a comment would just shut the hell up, not post a response, and move on to the next comment that will inevitably irritate them.

Though it is not completely my place, let me just say for everyone who feels as i do…..KEEP YOUR RUDENESS TO YOURSELF AND MOVE ON PLEASE!!!!

by tominhawaii on Jul 19, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Operation: Happy Oden

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kne4k8

Blazers get:
Mike Conley Jr
Daequan Cook
Bruce Bowen(Will help teach some dirty tricks to all our young perimeter defenders & can still play in limited minutes)

Gett errr done.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 18, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

interesting

but are you getting enough for Rudy?

by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 18, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uber Young-Veteran Team :D

Also, sign Bobby Jones from the Summer League. Very similar player to Bruce Bowen & will eventually take over his role. If at any time in a game Cook or Webster are not playing the desired level of defense put in Bowen or Jones. Also, sign Ben Wallace to toughen up Aldridge & he is perfect in those limited minutes, maybe try to get Dorsey away from Houston’s summer league team(To eventually take Wallace’s spot minutes behind Aldridge). Sign Bobby Jackson to backup Conley. Solves all of our “too young”, “need veterans”, “need toughness” talk.

Conley/Jackson
Roy/Cook/Bowen/Jones
Batum/Webster/Bowen/Jones
Aldridge/Wallace/Dorsey
Oden/Przybilla

=


Championship!

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 18, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who left Ohio?

That would be Bayless.

Who is still there? Conley.

Patience :)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 18, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

gotta give one of your big 3

Rudy isn’t enough. It would take Rudy and Oden probably. We wouldn’t move Brandon and they have West, so they wouldn’t want LMA.

No way I make that trade though. Paul is awesome, but he is a ball hog and I like the ball in BRoy’s hands and the still unlimited potential of Oden.

by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 18, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

ball hog because it’s a motion offense designed for him to have the ball. Only two players on New Orleans consistently created their own offense… Scott was doing the best with what he had, which meant Paul dribbling it.

life is better as an optimist

by Cablinasian on Jul 18, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No wonder Paul hates that team

They can’t do anything without him, with the exception of West ofcourse.

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 19, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Utah didnt match

blazers could throw LA into the deal for CP3. i know they still wouldnt do it, but his might make them at least think about it:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nfrell

by axel360 on Jul 19, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, how about this idea?

Charlotte is about 21 million over the cap. This idea seems to me to be too favorable to the Blazers, but it would lower Charlotte’s payroll by about 7.5 million. It would also use up our cap space, and put us in a bind for a back up point guard, but it is an interesting idea anyway.
We send them Pryz, Bayless and Outlaw, for Okafor and Wallace. Okafor is a better option at the backup 4 then Joel, at least as good as Joel at the 5, and is possibly considered a too costly contract by Charlotte. Throwing Joel into the mix for Okafor enables Charlotte to have a good big man at half the price, and sweetens the deal for them to trade Wallace for Travis and Rex.

by crakarjack on Jul 18, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

here is one that only has the hornets loosing 5 games

but i dont know if OKC will do it,

and i guess ill have to send New Orleans my dead body

bayless leaves over my dead body

by thomasikehara on Jul 18, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

our lin-up would be

CP3
roy
batum
LMA
Oden

with webster, cunningham, graph, posey, some midlevel point guard, some midlevel big

bayless leaves over my dead body

by thomasikehara on Jul 18, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

your dead body?

plus the 11 guys that would be sent there in the trade would give them about 20 players.

fire nate before its too late

by pipgras on Jul 18, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i doubt we can get Paul or Harris... but

i just had to throw one for Devin Harris out there. Wish we could get him!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=meheh5

by Blogaholic on Jul 18, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Here is something I doubt will happen, but it's more realistic than Chris Paul (i.e. at least it could happen): Danny Granger

By many accounts the Pacers are really in some financial trouble, also surrounding their arena and their owners (have most of their investments in and money from real estate).

Here is a deal that could happen between now and the deadline and works despite BYC for Danny:
Granger, Foster, Rush for Rudy, Joel, Martell, Travis. Would save Indiana 2 million instantly (with the option of letting Travis go to save more money), gives them a bit more depth, upgrades at 2 positions despite the obvious downgrade on 3/4, and Rudy as some face of the franchise. We solve the issue of a second scorer next to Roy for good, clear the SF rotation, get another true quality center to back up Greg in return (2 more years), and a shooting guard who is capable but a clear #2 behind Roy. As said I doubt it happens, but I want Danny and this deal would make some sense to both parties :)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mh6rcl (we improve by a few wins as per Hollinger)

by Norsktroll on Jul 18, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Danny Granger takes a lot of shots.

I love the guy, but do we really have that many shots to go around? Especially if we want Oden to develop?

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Jul 18, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

he makes shots, so I wouldn’t mind him taking them.

life is better as an optimist

by Cablinasian on Jul 18, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a new Canzano post up.

I stopped reading after he was ragging on Pritchard about how the summer league team is 1-3. I wish he would just keep writing about AAA baseball.

by HighSchoolQuarterback on Jul 18, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

I always wondered but what exactly is a trade exception and what does it do? I know we got one with the Ike Diogu and Michael Ruffin trade, but I still don’t know its significance.

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Jul 19, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

It is generated when you give up a player who makes more money in a trade or sign and trade for a player who makes less (and are over the cap)

Or if you just get something else back, e.g. when you trade to a team with a lot of cap space and get just a pick or cash back.

How the collective bargaining agreement is constructed, the player making more money should be the better player – which in reality of course isn’t always the case. Essentially it compensates the team giving up the player who makes more money, i.e. the better player, enabling it to replace him with one player in a later deal up to 12 months later. This often could be another deal of a draft pick or cash for a different player.

A trade exception doesn’t really get traded (which is something that is confused sometimes by commenters), you can just use it to absorb the salary of one player who makes less in a trade. And you can’t combine it with another exception like the MLE, cap space, or a second player in the same deal. So if you are over the cap you can’t e.g. say “I have a 3 million exception, the MLE at around $5.8 million, and Travis, so I combine everything and trade for Gerald Wallace” since his salary wouldn’t fit.

Don’t know if it was Storyteller who used that analogy, but you can think of it as a free chalupa coupon. You can’t redeem it for anything else, and you can’t upgrade it.

You don’t have to use it all at once however (if it’s sufficiently big, which it rarely is except in rare cases like the Camby or Iverson trades by Denver). If the acquired player makes e.g. only half that money, the exception gets reduced by that amount and you can still use the rest later in another trade for another player who makes less than that.

by Norsktroll on Jul 19, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this one

We get a good veteran. Take out some trash as well.

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Jul 19, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

ahhh..

my trade disappeared…

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Jul 19, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Highly doubtful

They decided on Conley as their starter, and Gay is worth more than anyone of our SFs (albeit Nic could get better than him). Martell’s value is also very low at the moment.

Honestly, our chance to get Conley was last summer or November, when they were still unsure whether to go with Conley or Lowry or even Crittenton, and would have been willing to give him up in a package for Travis and Blake.

by Norsktroll on Jul 19, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's another trade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lonx2j

Outlaw and Webster can be switched if one team prefers a certain one. portland, houston, and chicago all get talent. new orleans saves money.

by axel360 on Jul 19, 2009 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

THIS WILL MAKE US CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcyae6

Don’t believe the hype! Nash is the truth! he would make every player on our team a weapon of mass destruction, he just flat out kills. On our team he would be back on top in assists and Oden would be brilliant. If you liked Sergio to Rudy imagine Nash to Rudy!!! or better yet Nash to Batum!!!

by blaze1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Suns would never do that.

I don’t want Nash anyways. He is slow, old and horrible (understatement) on defense. He also needs the ball in his hands. And that means the ball isn’t in Roy’s hands.

by axel360 on Jul 20, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I posted this as a fanpost.

And ended up with this gem of a trade

 

Detroit receives

Travis Outlaw SF 1 yr

 

Tyson Chandler C 2 yrs

 

Joel Przybilla C 2 yrs

 

New Orleans Receives

Kwame Brown C 1 yr

 

 

Portland Receives

Tayshaun Prince SF 2 yrs

 
 

Jason Maxiell PF 3 yrs

 

DET 2nd rd pick(?)

For Detroit:

 

It definitely solves the Pistons’s size problem, and also offers insurance if Tyson gets injured. I really like Joel Przyzbilla. The ‘Vanilla Gorilla’ he’s shown he can be reliable coming off the bench or starting. Travis Outlaw is young (25), a decent defender, and has proven he can be a role player. Here’s a comparison of their stats from last season:

Prince: 14.2pts, 5.8reb, 3.1ast, 0.5stl, 0.6blk in 37.3 minutes a game

Outlaw: 12.8pts, 4.1reb, 1.0ast, 0.6stl, 0.7blk in 27.7 minutes a game

Excellent stats from a guy that played in only 28 mins. He also has some pretty gaudy per-36 minute numbers

16.6 pts, 5.3 rebs, 1.3 ast, .8 stl, and .9 blk

Tayshaun and Outlaw are very similar players, they’ll never be the main piece on any team, but he’ll be a valuable role player on a starting lineup. If Outlaw doesn’t work, he only has 1 year left on his contract. In the end, because of Outlaw’s age, and very similar stats I say this isn’t the downgrade everyone will accuse it of being. I haven’t seen much of Outlaw’s defensive game, but he has a defensive rating of 109 compared to Tayshaun’s 110. I understand little of this stat to be honest, but it’s the only number I have to go by. Travis Outlaw has a Offensive/Defensive bias of -1.0 meaning he is more important on the defensive end. Tayshaun Prince has an Offensive/Defensive bias of -.1 meaning he is marginally more important on the defensive end. This could be a result of Chauncey leaving and Tayshaun having to take a larger role. They had a similar usage rate. (Tayshaun 19.2%, Outlaw 22%). Outlaw will be a perfect complementary player to all the scorers on the team. Tayshaun shot a better 3pt % (40%) than Outlaw (38%). But Outlaw attempted more (2.9) than Tayshaun (1.7), in nearly 10 less minutes per game.

 

For New Orleans

 

It’s gotta be a tough position for New Orleans, they were really close to edging out the Nuggets, they have the next greatest thing since sliced bread in Chris Paul, and they have a team that looks like it can give teams headaches, if not contend for a ‘ship. it’s given this city something to cheer for. Unfortunately, the Hornets are looking to cut salary, it’s a frustrating instance for any fan. How many times have you screamed at your T.V because your team traded a strong propsect for, those ugly words, cash considerations? It’s tantrum-inducing. Cash considerations don’t score points, they don’t rebound, they don’t do anything but fatten the owners pocket, so why do we want them? As much as that might frustrate you, imagine how it must be to hear the front office is actively shopping a starting center for basically nothing? Well this trade accomplishes that goal about as well as it could. They receive Kwame Brown and his 4.0 mil expiring contract for Chandler. this shaves 8.2 mil off the Hornet’s payroll, successfully putting them under the luxury tax, and actually puts them under the salary cap by a couple thousand or so (If ESPN’s info is accurate). Kwame Brown won’t give you much. He’ll rebound, kinda. He’ll defend, kinda. He’ll put in effort, kinda. He’ll contribute on the offensive end, once in a while. He’ll catch balls in traffic, never. The main motivation of this trade is money, and it accomplishes this goal excellently.

 

For Portland

   

 

Portland has been eyeing Prince for awhile, he brings excellent leadership to a young team, and can carry a team if he needs to. When Rip was injured, it was Tayshaun that began exploding for 30 pts a game. He’ll bring strong defense to Portland, and some playoff experience. Tayshaun is a straight up warrior, he’s never missed a game since entering the starting lineup in 2003. He’ll score, he’ll take care of the ball, he’ll get teammates involved, he’ll rebound, and most of all he’ll defend. He’ll be a great glue guy for Portland, and I think he’s somebody that can put them in contention.

Jason Maxiell is a nice piece to add to the Portland rotation. He’s been developing consistently in Detroit since he’s got here. He’s a tireless worker and puts in the effort everyday to get better. He’s developed a bit of a mid range jumper that he’ll occasionally put up. He’s been working with his back-to-the-basket game, and you can see Sheed’s tutelage is getting through. He suffered last season because of Michael Curry’s idiotic rotations and lost some confidence in his game, so when he did get minutes, he wasn’t as efficient as he was a year ago. For that reason, we’ll observe his 07-08 stats because they’re a more accurate representation of what he brings to the table (he wasn’t injured or anything like that in 08-09, it was all Michael Curry who would give him 30 mins one night and a DNP-CD the next.).

7.9 pts, 5.3 rebs, .6 ast, .3 stl, 1.1 blk 2.2 PF, .9 TO in 21.6 mins

His per-36 minute stats:

13.3 pts, 8.8 rebs, .9 ast, .4 stl, 1.9 blk, 3.7 PF, 1.4 TO per 36 mins

He was very effective coming off the bench for Detroit. What is most valuable about his game however, are the “momentum swingers” he brings to the table. Electrifying dunks, ferocious swats, alley oops and putbacks that nearly bring the rim down. These are underrated parts of the game that can swing a game in the other team’s favor.

He’s a big body (260lbs) but his height will always limit him (6’7 being generous) Despite being undersized, Maxiell is actually a very effective defender, I would rate him the best post defender on the team at this point. He is the type of player that may never be a starter, unless he has a particularly gargantuan center across from him, but he’ll still be able to hold his own. He’s slimmed down alot since he’s came into the league, and it’s result is a much higher vertical. He’s able to get up and swat shots with regularity, and when he does, it’s with authority. Making players not want to go into the lane again. He absolutely gave Howard fits in the 2008 finals, Charles Barkely discussed it with the rest of the ESPN crew, Sir Charles talked about how Maxiell used his lower center of gravity to his advantage and pushed Howard around. The Round Mound of Rebound actually compared the way Maxiell did this to what he did years ago.

 

The only reason I can see Portland declining this trade is money issues. They take back an extra 5mil in salary and none of it is expiring. If Portland declines for this reason, instead of trading Maxiell to Portland we can simply swing him to New Orleans. The money still works, but New Orleans doesn’t get the same amount of cap space.

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