Paul Believes Hornets Could Deal Him
by Yahooguy on Jul 17, 2009 8:24 AM PDT
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Paul Believes Hornets Could Deal Him.
Chris Paul believes that the Hornets could trade him because of their financial situation.
New Orleans is set to be over the luxury tax, and might have to bite the bullet and deal away some big contracts.
"In this league, anything can happen," Paul told Pro Basketball News on Thursday. "I can be dealt."
Paul was then asked if he seriously thought he could be dealt.
"It's possible," he reiterated. "It's possible."
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pdxpipeline.... CP3? = pdxPIPEDREAM...
Get over it people….
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 17, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
I'm amused that he said
“anything could happen”
Of course anything could happen, but that’s immediately spun as “CP3 might be traded! YAY!”
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"The NBA, where anything can happen"
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 17, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Should we propse getting Lebron for a new PS3? Or maybe PS3 for CP3?
Anything can happen, but this wont… some things just dont make sense, unfortunately.
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 17, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
they both have 3s
it must be an equal trade. I’m not sure if we should do it. We’d be trading the same player for the same player but a ps3 is only a few hundred where cp3 is millions. You have to think about the budget when you toss out wild ideas!!!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I like the two news stories next to the cp story
More Hornets News
Bower: Hornets Aren’t Shopping Chandler
Bulls Join Hornets In Wanting Pargo Back
* Suns Could Swap Ben For Chandler?
* Sources: Hornets Shopping Chandler Again
* New Orleans Hornets Archive
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
can you say...
bases covered?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
So both Paul and Carmelo will be in town???
This is what KP was after!!!!! That rumored 3 team deal with the Nuggets and Hornets where we trade Outlaw and Blake and get Carmelo and CP3 in return! Brilliant!!!!
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I don't know
I’d rather give up Mills than Blake. I like Blake as a backup PG. and then we would still have Bayless as a insurance policy!
(jk)
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jul 17, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure nobody is gonna want to take Mills
a late 2nd round shoot first PG that is injured… he actually has negative value right now
by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Mills has positive value
Just not very much.
The thing about Mills is, he doesn’t have a guaranteed contract. If a team doesn’t want to pay him, they can just renounce his rights. They could also hold onto his rights without having to pay him anything if he decides to go play overseas.
What!?
you don’t think we can get Chris Paul for Mills? you are crazy!
did you get the sarcasim in this post? because it flew past you in the one before.
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jul 17, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
that SOUNDS awesome
but would it actually happen?
"Everyone knows who you are; but only your friends know why."
- Rich Amato
This is pure conjecture but...
we would obviously need to trade a quality player to get CP3. Other than Roy, who is our second best player that other teams would love to have? What position have we been trying to fill with quality players? Which one of our star players hasnt been given an offer yet?
Here's the problem
If they traded CP3 because of money reasons, we couldn’t really give them LMA or Oden. Those 2 aren’t that expensive right now, but will be shortly. (And I doubt they’d do CP3 for an expiring contract.) So, Paul would probably require a lot of inexpensive players.
Rudy would basically have to be in the deal. His is one of the top talents in the NBA at under 2 million.
Bayless or Blake would. I’d wager Bayless, since NO would need a replacement and Bayless is cheaper to keep.
Picks and cash would have to be in there
Outlaw is fairly cheap and versatile.
This would save NO 7 million and get them some young talent, picks, and cash. Regardless, it still seems close to impossible.
The Princess of Blazersedge
exactly
take Roy, Oden, and LMA out, because they won’t save NO much if any money over the long term. You are then talking about a package built on our young cheap guys – Rudy, Batum, Bayless – plus mid-priced guys that can help hopefully have shorter contracts. CP3 makes around 13.5, so we would have to send out at leat 6 million to get him. Bayless, Batum, Rudy, plus Blake would work. I would do that deal in a heartbeat – we can always fill out the bench later using exceptions and rookies.
this will never happen.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
never
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 17, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
probably never happens, and I love our rookies
however trading for an MVP candidate who hasn’t peaked yet at one of the hardest positions to fill is done immediately. When you consider our challenge in the playoffs, our single largest issues were an inability to create plays when the defense was focused on containing brandon with multiple defenders, and getting called for fouls on yao. Hopefully experience for Oden will fix the second, but Yao will be out next year anyway (and probably the rockets will to). Our other biggest issue is needing more ball handling ability, and we’d have two incredible studs in the back court. CP3 would also speed the development of our big men by getting them into position to score more often, and I’d guess that would help Oden feel better about his game and keep focused on improving.
IF NO was willing to take back 3 of our young players with huge upsides for us to take paul and their worst contracts, I think it would be a championship move. We’d have two of the top three guards in the west. The ball movement would be incredible. Roy would not be so pressured to carry the offense, and he would have a few easy shots. Neither of these players has ever had a team mate of this caliber. I really can’t picture NO doing this unless they are facing a horrific financing issue though. We would also be fairly short on bench players, but in the playoffs the rotation is generally shortened anyway.
Basically, a baseball style trade
Tons of cheap prospects for a big name big contract. This is something you almost never see in basketball. Especially not for the 2nd best player in the league. (Sorry Wade, Dwight, and Kobe.)
The Princess of Blazersedge
New Orleans
would be very dumb to trade cp3. The loss in revenue(ticket/jersey sells) would trump the money they saved on his contract. Will never happen…
The Bedger formally known as ????????
If a miracle happens
and NOH is willing to trade Paul to Portland and doesn’t want one of the big 3, you better believe that a bad contract is coming with him.
Paul + Morris Peterson
for
Outlaw + Blake + Bayless + Rudy + considerations (cash, draft picks, rights to Koponen/Freeland)
just as an example. This trade saves NOH $8.6 million in actual salary costs for 2009-10, plus saves them $8 million in tax and gets them under the threshold so that they can collect the $3 million or so distribution next summer.
Not sure if they'd ask us to throw in Blake and Bayless
CP3 is awesome and all, but having 0 backup PGs would not be a good thing.
The Princess of Blazersedge
who cares?
you go out and sign whatever vets you can for now, and worry about finding a true backup later.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Feel free to post alternative scenarios
But, yes, I think they’d want Bayless as a young guard and yes, I think they’d want Blake’s expiring contract.
by Storyteller on Jul 17, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Look I know this is as far fetched as it gets.
But, darn it, every time this comes up (which is embarrasingly often) My mind spins off into lollipop forests on candy rock mountain and only comes back to earth after taking a sweet spiraling spill over a chocolate waterfall.
To Get you have to give
Brandon Roy and Steve Blake for Chris Paul
It wouldn’t hurt us to much
Paul/ Bayless
Rudy/ Webster
Battum/ Trout
LA/ Dante/ Trout
Oden/ Pryz/ Pend
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
except you just got rid of two players who win and lead
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
He also got rid of the great savings for NO
I don’t think the idea of “saving money” made it through.
you're right
they should just give us CP3. That’d work well for me.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Agreed, but
the whole point of trading Paul is (supposedly) to save them money. This deal saves them a little money this year but not much in the future unless they plan on just letting Roy walk as a FA next summer.
If they want that trade, I’d make it. I just don’t think that – again, if a miracle happens and they’re willing to trade Paul to Portland – that’s the offer they’d be looking for.
by Storyteller on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
they don’t trade paul for another max or near-max guy – that entirely defeats the purpose of trading Paul (if that would even happen, which I think is WAY too premature at this point). So take out Roy/LMA/Oden from the list.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Roy's Contract Starts Next year
So It will save them a couple mil each year after he resigns because Paul’s contract started before Roy’s, This will help them stay away from luxury Tax which is what I think they are really concerned about.
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
a couple of million a year is not enough to warrant trading away your franchice player and one of the top 5 players in the league. any savings will MORE than be offset by a decrease in revenue.
IF (and that’s a big if), New Orleans needs to trade Paul by cutting costs, they are going to do it in a big way, not by shedding 1.7 million a year.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
to save 1.7 a year and still be a tax team?
You don’t trade your franchise player for that, even if you get one back. your franchise player is worth more than the other teams’ franchise player, and you aren’t saving near enough money to justify the change.
it’s completely illogical and entirely defeats the purpose of why they would even think about trading him to being with
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
way to completely miss the point
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Didnt miss yours
Maybee you missed mine, Saves them money because they are no longer in the Tax no longer having to pay double for every dollar over this year and possibly next year. Gives them Potential and a 2 time allstar in return and Im sure that all of the people who will want the Brand new NO Roy and Bayless jersey will make up for the loss in Paul
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
you don’t trade a top 5 player in the league for a 1-year savings that will immediately go away starting in year 2 and stretching on for longer than the original guy you had.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
1 year savings of 14 million
Start of year 2 They are not in as much threat of Tax, Daniels comes off books, Talent wise Roy + Bayless + Savings = Paul
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
In other words
Hi i am going to give you 14 million dollars, the 7th best player in the NBA and a PG with a lot of potential for Chris Paul, Deal?
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
no deal
they aren’t that desperate. if they ever get that desperate, they will need a LOT more than a 1 year savings plan.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
not enough
not even CLOSE to enough to justify trading CP3. if they ever get THAT desperate, saving 14 million for 1 year only to be back over the cap the next year isn’t gonna cut it
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I'll try this one more time
What you are suggesting is that if someone New Orleans decides they are willing to trade their franchise player, a young perenniel MVP candidate point guard, that they would be willing to trade a guy making a Max contract that ends in either 2012 or 2013 for another guy whose not quite as good, has some potential knee concerns, and plays a more replaceable position making a max contract that ends in 2013 or 2014.
Why on earth would they do this? What would be their incentive? It’s ludicrous.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
wow
way to talk Roy down. You don’t have to blow off everything good about Roy to make this point. :)
I can see where jlarose78 is going with his agrument, and it makes some sense. If a trade of Bayless and Roy for Paul straight up would bring them below the tax line this year then maybe it could work from NO side of saving money. The Hornets have $15,507,020 in possible expiring contracts at the end of next season, so when Roy’s max deal kicked in, they would still be under the luxury tax line, even if it went down quite a bit. Of course they wouldn’t have any money to build around him, but it could work.
However, CP3’s salary of $13,520,500 minus Roy/Bayless combined salaries of $6,053,896 is $7,466,604 which is consumed by Portland’s cap space, doesn’t put them under the luxury tax line. it gives them a total payrol of $70,318,086 according to storytellers site, which is about 400k above the limit of $69.92 million. So they would have to shed at least 1 more contract and not bring on anything more, which is not all that likely.
I think Storyteller’s deal above is much more likely if the Hornets true intention is to just save the money. While not the excitement of CP3, Bayless and Rudy would be fun to watch.
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im trying to play devil's advocate and approach the thinking from the other side
I love BRoy
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
This has to be the dumbest deal I heard this Summer...So Far...
Brandon Roy and Steve Blake for Chris Paul?
-jlarose78
If New orleans wants cap space then this would trade would work.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgptlp
Portland
give:outlaw,blake
recieve:chris paul
Oklahoma
give:watkins,wilkins,sefolosha,atkins
recieve:chandler,posey
New Orleans
give:Chandler,posey,paul
recieve:outlaw,blake,watson,wilkins,sefolosa,atkins
Why Portland does it: Chris paul
Why Oklahoma does it:Bench players for Chanler and Posey, starting linup becomes westbrook,harden,durant,green,chandler with posey as sixth man.
Why New Orleans does it: give out 31.7million in contracts that expire in two or three years for 23.6million in expiring contracts. Instantly save 8million and once the season is up they free up 23.6 million off the books.
Probably entirely unlikely, but still fun to think about.
by philthebballplayer on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions
OKC doesn't want Chandler
They rejected a 90% completed trade for him earlier this year for medical reasons.
New Orleans
Will only trade CP3 for Powerful, Cheap players with long contracts. So in other words, nobody on our team.
"Everyone knows who you are; but only your friends know why."
- Rich Amato
Forgot to mention they would only have Stojakovic,Collison,West, and Petersen gauranteed in 2010-11.
All of which are not guaranteed in 2011-12. So they would have$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to offer top free agents in 2010 and 2011.
by philthebballplayer on Jul 17, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news, portland signed Wolverine to play backup PF
“We like his grit,” stated coach Nate McMillen. “He has a mean streak that will help us come playoff time.”
This has about as much a chance happened as us getting CP3.
by jstamp26 on Jul 17, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like Wolverine
I dont think he has the kind of personality that Portland is looking for though. I’ve heard he has a bit of a temper.
Not going to happen
http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2009/07/new_orleans_hornets_guard_chri_7.html
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
That just means that the Hornets GM doesnt want to trade him
How long is a super star player going to want to play for a losing team that doesnt even have the money to improve its roster. If he starts telling the Hornets that he wants to be traded then they may have to let him go.
haven't you always wanted a Mon KEY?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
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