Could Paul Allen be having financial problems? Plus, a guess as to what's up with the Brandon re-signing
Greetings from Anaheim!
Have taken the kiddos down to Disneyland--rest assured; we flew into John Wayne Airport and have spent the entire time in Orange County--we have not ventured near that wretched hive of scum and villany a half-hour north on I-5. But with all the strange news coming out of One Center Court, I'm wondering--could Paul Allen be having more serious money problems than generally known? The Vulcans are very secretive about Allen's wallet; but it is always ominious when you start to notice them.
Obviously, I hope not... and the fact that the Blazers are making offers to free agents is probably a good sign... but things are starting to sound like Tightwad Paul is making an appearance. (As opposed to Drunken Sailor Paul, who spent millions to buy draft picks). Last time we saw an appearance by Tightwad Paul, the team was already in the toilet; and Allen simply was acting like the Blazers were a headache he no longer wanted to deal with. Then something changed his mind--and in three years, things are looking good.
But this year, we've seen Tightwad Paul make a few appearances--despite the fact that the team is winning, we've got a franchise player, and the Rose Garden sells out every night.
- Excessive huffiness concerning Darius Miles; to the extent that cheesed the entire league. We've always assumed it was about the cap space, but...
- Not exploiting the RLEC. Official line is no decent deal was available--and not many trades occurred the trade deadline. But...
- Recent comments from Tod Lieweke. (Given that the Rose Garden sells out every night, I'm curious what Lieweke thinks ought be done...)
- The Brandon Roy business. Many assume a deal will be done, and the Blazers are just being thorough. But...
- And even the pursuit of Hedo and Millsap. The following is tinfoil-hat territory; but what if the Blazers KNEW Hedo was going to Toronto, and let themselves be played to a) raise the price for the Raptors, and b) make it look like they were attempting to improve? Exiting tinfoil-hat territory, pretty much everyone expects the Jazz to match the Millsap offer sheet.
The followup to the "But..." questions above, is this:
But... what if it's really about the money?
It's long been assumed that Allen's finances are safe, that his hoard of cash is bigger and deeper than anyone else's. Several NBA owners, however, have been hit hard by the economic downturn--Robert $arver in Phoenix, for instance, who made (and has since lost) a fortune in real estate. Allen isn't in real estate; but there's nowhere you can put a gazillion dollars that hasn't been afffected by the downturn. The Blazers are a money-losing operation, even with the RG selling out; happiness in Blazerdom requires Paul to write checks to support the team. And what if that money is less freely flowing?
Regarding the Brandon Roy negotiatons. Everyone wonders what the big deal is--even if Brandon's deal is only four years, if he stays with Portland after that, he's gonna get paid well, right?
Maybe not. I think there's a reason that the Blazers might be fighting so hard about that last year, and it's not pretty.
Everyone expects a lockout when the current CBA expires, and everyone expects the league to use the downturn to try and put the screws to players. Existing contracts would survive (KG, for example, still has a prior-CBA contract which pays him more than he could earn under current rules, IIRC); but any subsequent contracts would be under the new CBA.
Without this consideration, a four-year deal would probably be more advantageous to Brandon; he could then enter UFA one year earlier--locking him up would be better for the Blazers.
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Roy Contract Troubles.
Gotta make it look like you struggled with Roy.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jul 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree the situation is a little odd/confusing
I wanted to comment on this so I’m glad you posted a fanpost.
What I noticed is not very long ago, around the draft, I’m thinking, KP was saying “when it comes time to make moves to improve the team, Paul is going to be ready to make moves” (not an exact quote). The obvious implication being that Paul would go way into luxury tax territory to make the Blazers a contender.
Well, here we are, its time to open the wallet and make the Blazers a contender, and instead we are seeing the exact opposite: Paul is dickering with his franchise player in contract negotiations. This seems wildly inconsistent.
The conclusion: something MUST be going on. Something has changed or there is some inconsistency within the organization about how to run the franchise. That is why the speculation re “is PA sick?” or “has PA lost more money than we realilze.”
Anyway, at this point it seems like there isn’t any solid information to go off of. My personal guess is that the organization does want to be financially disciplined, but not because its strictly necessary. They just see it as good business practice, and that the organization as a whole will be more successful if they are disciplined not only on the court, but in the boardroom as well.
I agree though that is seems like the CBA is bound to be renegotiated, because that is what a lot of league insider/agent types are saying. Maybe that is the whole thing. Still, it seems a bit odd. Why not shell out a couple extra mil for your franchise savior?
by goblazer1 on Jul 14, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if, I ask, Kevin Pritchard is full of crap?
What I noticed is not very long ago, around the draft, I’m thinking, KP was saying "when it comes time to make moves to improve the team, Paul is going to be ready to make moves" (not an exact quote). The obvious implication being that Paul would go way into luxury tax territory to make the Blazers a contender.
Between Baylessgate and his recent spin that “Paul [Millsap] can play multiple positions,” I’m starting to wonder if KP is actually a BS-artist, making stuff up on the fly because it’s what his interviewer wants to hear.
Stuffing the RLEC money into the wallet was pretty clearly an economic choice. Then we’ve got a crazy-high bid for Hedo, followed by an obvious gonna-be-outbid face-saving half-pitch for Millsap…
Now the Vulcan puppetboy head of the Seattle Seahawks is starting to wonder aloud why the billionaire has to “subsidize” the Blazers to play in Portland…
I couldn’t care less about the Brandon negotiations — which is just business and will work out. What I do wonder about is whether KP is a truth-teller or a politician/liar.
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by timbo on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume KP is a liar/politician
Its in his job description. So, I guess that might explain why he said that about Paul being ready to do “make moves” or whatever. But, it wouldn’t be a very smart lie to tell because it sends the wrong message to players, agents and fans that the Blazers will be financially liberal. When they tighten the purse strings, people wonder “hey, what’s wrong?” And, since I personally think KP is pretty darn smart, it still suggests something may have changed for PA.
by goblazer1 on Jul 14, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am more concerned about Paul than KP
Pritchard didn’t get stupid overnight. We’ve seen this before from Allen, though.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 14, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Politicians lie for a reason.
It’s the only possible way to be successful. Same goes for GMs.
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by pualo on Jul 14, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is the old saw about where there is smoke ...
… there could be fire.
The problem with applying that here? We aren’t seeing any smoke. Just some heat waves rising from the pavement on a hot summer day.
If conclusion jumping was an Olympic sport, we’d have some folks with a reall shot at making the team.
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by timg56 on Jul 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by pualo on Jul 14, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he is planning to move the team to Seattle...or China
The situation is so out of control. Conspiracy theories galor.
I can assure you this. Paul Allen has plenty of dough. And if some guy who owns auto dealerships is willing to go well into the luxury tax to match our Milsap we probably shouldn’t worry about a guy worth 10B to pay up. We proven our ability to spend many times before and always for assets that were not as obviously valuable as Roy
I think Dave is 100% right on this one. People need to stop freaking out.
by oregontrail on Jul 14, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
freaking out is a recreational activity
For some folks.
by southern oregon on Jul 14, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Paul Allen money troubles? LOL
Thanks for the chuckle
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 14, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmm
Just found this…. I wouldn’t say he’s in trouble… but he might be getting a bit twitchy:
Microsoft cofounder has lost 36% of his fortune in the last 12 months. Washington State dropout founded software giant with buddy Bill Gates in 1975; left in 1983 after Hodgkin’s disease diagnosis. Sold off much of his stake to lose huge sums on far-off visions through holding company Vulcan. Microsoft now makes up 25% of his net worth; shares down 40% since September. Also lost big on investment in Charter Communications; cable outfit announced financial restructuring plan in February, chapter 11 filing expected by April 1st. Dabbles in odd tech projects; funding research to scan outer space for signs of intelligent alien life, Allen Institute for Brain Science, which is creating a genetic map of the mouse brain. Guitar fanatic owns a rock ‘n’ roll museum, Jimi Hendrix artifacts. This spring kicks off inaugural season of his Major League Soccer club Seattle Sounders FC; also owns football’s Seattle Seahawks and basketball’s Portland Trailblazers.
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 14, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 14, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forbes list
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 14, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could Paul Allen be having Money problems?
Short answer: No
Long answer:
As a billionaire, Paul Allen doesn’t have money problems like you or I, if he sees something he likes, maybe a new car, or a classic Guitar, he buys it. He doesn’t stop to think if it is worth it, if he should spend the money, or even which card he should put it on. He doesn’t buy his own food at the store, he might not know how much a gallon of milk even costs today, he has a cook that does that for him, both at his house, and on his yachts, (ya he has more than just the one).
Now, does he have “money problems” as a billionaire? First think of how much money that is, 1 billion is 1 thousand millions, and Paul Allen even a conservative estimates is worth over 10 billion. Here is something I found to help us all realize how much this really is,
A billion minutes ago, Jesus was alive.
A billion hours ago, our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
How long would it take to count to one billion?
If you count one number a second without stopping until you reach a billion. That task would take you 31 years, 259 days, 1 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds.
Okay, so Paul Allen is worth alot, but does he have a ton of cash sitting around that would make Scrooge McDuck envious? Well no one but Allen and his personal finance people know this, but we can speculate based on what is public knowledge.
Many people know about Charter Cable, or SpaceShip one, or other Allen investments that not only didn’t give him a good return, but lost most of the cash he put into them. But few may know that Allen and his investment firm Vulcan have made a ton of money with other investments, and that some of his “bad” investments, like Charter Cable, were not as bad as advertised. Lets look at charter first, the Cable company filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy, and is trading somewhere around 3 cents a share, leaving Allen’s majority stake worth only about $11.5 million. But Lance Conn, who Allen hired in 2004 to oversee Vulcan, has made some very crude moves to turn this investment from dead weight on the books to useful for Allen. According to CNET news the Charter bankruptcy will net Allen $175 million in cash, with an additional $20 million in management fees going to Vulcan. More importantly, a report in the Wall Street Journal states that,
Since Mr. Allen’s stake in Charter is around 50 percent, his partnership share of the debt forgiveness could be as much as $4 billion. Assuming an effective tax rate of 25 percent, the new law could spare Mr. Allen the necessity of paying as much as $1 billion in taxes…at least until 2014.
So while Allen invested a reported $7 billion in Charter over the years, he was able to recoop a large amount of that thanks to some savy bankruptcy negotiations.
Some other investments of Allen’s have actually paid him really well, in 2004 he invested $700 million in Dreamworks SKG, which returned $1.5 billion to him, that is a little over 100% return on his investment. His investment into the Oxygen channel made him about $150 million, and his stake in the Plains All American Pipeline has risen about $125 million since his first investment.
You can read through some of the sources I linked at the bottom if you want to know more, but it is safe to say Allen isn’t having money issues, at least not enough that would keep him from spending on the Blazers if he wanted to. Afterall the guy still gives about $30 million away through his foundation every year, if you have money trouble, that might be one of the first things you see go out the window.
As for the Blazers being a losing money business, I don’t think it is black and white. The Blazers can win and be competitve for a NBA championship and still break even or even make money if they are handled right. In the past that has not been the case, with SPAM, and bad player and executive decisions playing a major role in while the Blazers lost money even this last year. According to some minor research I did via www.google.com, the Blazers gross sales last year were around the $115 million+ area, but that doesn’t include every nickle and dime they get from both the league and sponors, it could easily be $150+ million. Obviously the majority of that goes to player payroll and executive/coach pay but even all of those don’t add up to $90 million, which leaves $25-60+ million to cover the costs of running the arena, (which by the way gets more income than reported here, as this only includes Blazer related income, while the arena gets money from holding other events) paying the support staff, the medical insurance for players/coaches/executives/cleaning ladies/etc, paying the marketing department, paying for advertising, and promotional products, and the list goes on and on.
The Blazer can make money and be competitive, once they get out of some of the bad contracts they signed that they are still paying on, but are not on the books, deferred payments to ex-players, ex-coaches, ex-executives, just plain ex-employees.
Sources:
CNET News article
2009 Forbes list
Wall Street Journal
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 14, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Thanks.
I was going to reply to Scotty’s post with just a slightly longer version of your short answer. You did a much nicer job.
There could be several reasons why Portland is not just rolling over in it’s Roy extension talks. We don’t know all of the possible reasons, however it is not going too far out on a limb to assume that business people tend to want to see the business they work for make money. If the boss is a billionaire and tells them don’t worry about it, that is one thing. But sans that direction, their natural inclination is to act in accordance to what they consider are smart business practices. (Scotty illustrates a couple.)
I don’t put too much into this. In the end, I trust Paul Allen to weigh in, if he feels that the issue is heading south. Afterall, the Blazer’s are still his hobby, possibly his favorite. Should that change, well, then it is a different story. One that we as fans can’t really do much about. And I try not to worry about things I have no control over.
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by timg56 on Jul 14, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I wonder
is how the blazers are NOT making money.
1.) blazers are undercap and even when they aren’t I haven’t heard of us being in terrible double payment land.
2.) rose garden sells out every night.
3.) have you seen the price of food and beers?
4.) Have you purchased overpriced merchandise recently? The gift shop was ALWAYS full during the game and the line always seemed long.
5.) Have you heard about the comcast deal that screwed people outside the comcast market but is supposed to be extremely lucrative to the blazers?
6.) Have you been to a game and seen teh obnoxious product tie ins?
So how are the blazers losing money? This is a question I’d love to have the answer to because players are only going to get more expensive and the only area for improvement is prolonged play-off time.
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by ratbastird on Jul 14, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We are paying for the sins of the Jailblazer era basically
We were still paying LaFrentz this year, Francis this year, Shawn Kemp until recently, etc.
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by skywaker9 on Jul 14, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and because basketball players are ridiculously overpayed
Teams will continue to charge outrageous prices, and still have trouble breaking even, until that changes.
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by pualo on Jul 14, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how are they overpaid?
they are if anything underpaid. if there were not an artificial limit in place ( salary tax & luxury tax ) they would be paid more because there is extreme demand for their services. it’s fine to be jealous of the money they make but they are being paid a fair market rate.
by colinmarsh on Jul 15, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but I don't think market prices are a good idea.
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by pualo on Jul 15, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of the reason they decided to play hard-ball with Roy, it is a PR mistake.
They could have played nice with Brandon, thus ensuring the fans of their commitment to team excellence, blah blah blah. Then make their point with LMA, which they are going to do anyway, and where there is a legitimate argument over his value.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 14, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is the legitimate argument over LMA's value?
He is an exceptional one on one post defender. He is a good shot-blocker. His rebounding is good. His team defense is good but not yet great. He runs the floor exceptionally well. He has a good attitude and works hard (as far as I can tell). He is a legitimate 6’ 11" and can play both big positions. He has great lateral quickness. He shoots free throws well. His injury history is acceptable. He can score both inside and out, faced up or with his back to the basket, and gets O boards and put-backs at a good rate. His scoring and rebounding statistics are well known. He is 25 ish.
But, Aldridge settles for J’s a lot. Although he does shoot a fine percentage outside/midrange, he is a bit streaky. His shooting (and outside shooting in general) is always less reliable than closer in “high percentage” opportunities (reliable scoring and drawing free throws being super important in playoff/end game situations when you need a basket.)
This is more of an issue, however, because Aldridge has shown how well he can score with his back to the basket when he chooses to. Often he chooses to shoot fade-aways when the defense is giving him the drop-step. Maybe he just isn’t that comfortable yet taking guys one on one to the basket. Hopefully, he isn’t an Outlaw type that is just genetically resistant to taking the ball strong to the basket.
He is well worth what people say he is worth, like 12 mil per or basically a Sheed-type contract with maybe a little less on the back end.
by goblazer1 on Jul 14, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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