Death of a Pritch Man?
These have become unsettling times for Blazer fans. Unfortunately it seems we have a plurality of messages surrounding The Blazers. Right now at the eye of this summer storm we have Kevin Pritchard.
My last fanpost was entitled "Dazed and Confused" and I'll admit that perhaps this is just more of an extension of the same feeling. It seems so extreme and unpredictable what is happening around the franchise recently. For the first time in a long time, I have to say I have no idea what is really going on within the franchise. Most disturbing is the disconnect or conflicting messages that seem to be surfacing between Pritchard and individual players.
We, The fans, were told of Jerryd Bayless working out with Oden. Now Bayless denies it. We are told by Pritchard to relax about negotiations with Brandon and LMA that they are preceding amicably, and that their retention is a priority. We then hear quotes from Brandon himself that sound far less confident about a deal being done and far more negative about the handling. I'll admit that in the case of contract negotiations it might be a case of posturing on both sides, but it still is disturbing to basicly be told like a crowd around some yellow tape, move along, no problem here, nothing to see...by Pritchard, only to hear from Brandon that there might indeed be a problem and things aren't progressing as smoothly or adeptly as we are being told by Pritchard. Also, Kevin Pritchard when asked about the developments or lack of developments of this summer and the recent Turkoglu situation and seeming failure to obtain any free agent, Kevin professes that he's "enjoyed" this summer? Professes that we are not in a panic, that a plan is still in place. Then we see articles that define say other GM's and Executives as thinking Pritchard was aggitated and paniced in the wake of Turkoglu's betrayal.
One vital thing that has been re-built the past few years and I give Kudos to Pritchard for this, is a trust between the fanbase and the franchise. However I think we are in great danger of that eroding again. You'd have to go back to the Patterson/Nash era to find a time when I thought the messages being told by The Blazers were so conflicted in light of other sources. I realize that it is Pritchards job to reflect the franchise in the best possible light, but when we are told one thing, only to hear from people or players directly involved that it isn't happening or never happened that leaves fans only to wonder what is really going on. In the case of Bayless working out with Oden, if Bayless denies it, you have to wonder why we were being told something that never happened? Plus did anyone in The Blazers organization think it wouldn't be discovered as untrue? It bothers me that Bayless say's he hasn't worked out with Oden, it bothers me just as much that The Franchise would think it wise or that we have a need to advance this message if not true. How can I now trust anything I hear about Oden and his off-season?
This summer has unexpectedly become the clear end of the golden age for Kevin Pritchard. His mortality as a GM has become evident. Normally I'd say this is okay and probably good for Fans and ultimately Pritchard himself as he was riding an unrealistic high since becoming GM. Almost like a needed market adjustment. But we have a duality of message about Pritchard himself.
We've all read and heard the articles and comments that Pritchard is perceived by many GM's around the league as arrogant and over confident. The inflated ego accusation. As a fan living in Portland, I've never really seen it. I have defended Pritchard on these points. In local interviews in my opinion Pritchard has always come off as actually striving for humility. Pritchard never fails to share credit, often praising scouting and his staff. Never have I heard Pritchard take credit for himself alone, or use the word "I" extensively in regards to perceived success. Still rumors that he is generally disliked across the league by other basketball GM's and Executives persist. I never wanted to believe this, nor have I in the past accepted it as a problem. But in light of the difficulties Kevin has seemed to suffer this summer in executing a trade or making a deal you have to at least start to wonder if to an extent it isn't backlash. You'd hope grown men weren't so petty. But these GM's do have egos and it's not beyond the realm of belief that some childish attitudes, hurt feelings and the like, aren't hampering Pritchards ability as a GM.
I would describe this summer so far as shocking. We've gone through "bad times" as Blazer fans before. But the recent turmoil is different just because I never saw it coming. I can't even get a line on what direction I think we are heading in, because I can't trust the messages being sent from anyone. Seems to me, either this evaporates as the unfortunate mechanizations of a free agency period and an over active media, or this get's worse. Inwhich case we find the era of Kevin Pritchard in great danger of ending in a Hindenburg like flame out.
Am I being alarmist? Trust me, I hope so. I hope the season starts with an ownership, management and team all basicly on the same page. I hope that what we are told by The Blazers is happening once again becomes what we see IS happening. A lesson The Blazers should of learned by now, is be upfront with the fans, don't tell us what you think we want to hear, if it isn't happening. If you've got a problem, tell us you've got a problem. If Bayless isn't working out with Oden, don't tell us he is. If you are holding on contract negotiations with Brandon and LMA, tell us you are holding off, or have hit a snag. If this summer has been a nightmare of failed negotiations and lost free agency opportunities.....go ahead...tell me it's been a difficult summer...don't tell me you think we've had a great summer because I don't see it.
Basketball is entertainement, sport and business and I sympathize with those charged with trying to balance all the aspects of those fundamentals. It isn't easy. For the fan's it can be lifeblood vital entertainment to an extreme. For coaching and players it's the competitive sport, where winning and losing are tied to everything from contract size and length to quality of life. Business? Well that would be the direct affect on Paul Allen and his wishes as to how the franchise operates. How much control is left to Basketball people and how much to Vulcan business operators. For me, I can sympathize with the complexity. It's not a one person job, it's not an easy thing to do, but for the Blazers this has been a very, very disturbing summer, not so much coming from the tangible things that have happened such as the Hedo Turkoglu situation but more from the spiraling reaction to the event.
I'm nervous. I'm calling for honesty, so I'll start. I don't like what I'm seeing and hearing out of The Blazers. I think a lot is in jeopardy. I think it's all salvageable but The Blazers need to remember what they have done wrong in the past and what they have done right recently and unfortunately I don't see that happening right now.
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I think everyone here can agree that "honesty" is the best policy.
by AK1984 on Jul 12, 2009 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In that vein, here's the exact "Baylessgate" quote again...
KP on Sports Business Radio, June 2009:
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KP: "I talked to Bayless yesterday, he was in Columbus working with Greg. Now Greg’s gonna go back to Phoenix for a couple days… The one thing I can tell you, there’s not a harder worker in this league than Jerryd Bayless. So if he can be that positive influence on Greg right now, so be it. They’ve made a pact that they’re gonna be in great shape and get ready and have a good year and that’s pretty cool. I’m very proud of that and I know that those guys are working hard to make our season a good season next year.
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At the 11:30 mark of http://www.sportsbusinessradio.com/audio/by/title/kevin_pritchard_-_portland_trail_blazers_gm_june_2009
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by timbo on Jul 12, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP wasn't the only one
Bobby Medina told Wheels at work that he was in Ohio working with both of them. This is the weirdist thing ever, why lie about this?
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 12, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone assume it's Bayless telling the truth?
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jul 12, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I must admit
it is pretty wierd to lie about something like this
by cavejunctionblazer on Jul 12, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
t wasn't Medina
It was Bayno. Bill also called in on Courtside last week to talk about Greg’s progress, but I don’t remember if they talked about Bayless’ alleged visit to Columbus back in June
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by two4larue on Jul 12, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The show
I remember was about a month ago now, and it was Medina. Although I heard Bayno’s call in as well, and he just talked about Greg.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I understand...
the big deal about whether Bayless did or did not work out with Oden. Obviously someone had some wrong information. I can envision that Pritchard or whomever made the original comment truly thought they were working out for a week or so and once he found out it wasn’t true it was already in the past.
It isn’t as though Bayless or Oden have a lot to gain from working out together. While it wouldn’t hurt, it certainly won’t make or break either one of them. For me it’s really a non-issue.
But hey, that’s just me.
All the rest? Stuff happens. The Blazers will be OK. I think we just get too much information too fast. Some is true, some is rumor, some is a load of crap. Sifting through it all is, or could be, the fun of the summer, but only if we don’t get obsessed too much over details.
"The sun is warm, the grass is green." Kesuki Miyagi
by -ken on Jul 12, 2009 6:30 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Well said.
People just need to relax. This team will continue to improve and be better than last year even if we don’t make a move. Everyone just takes everything they hear and makes it out to be a big deal when it’s really not.
by clydebrandon7 on Jul 12, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be a significant advantage to have those two work out together. And the discrepancy is weird.
At the time of the reporting, about everyone said it would be a brilliant move by the Blazers. Jerryd’s work ethic is infectious. Yet he has to work on his shooting, and on running pick and rolls. Greg has to work on his stamina and athleticism, and also on pick and rolls (and defending against them). Apart from working out with a few other big guys which he will get more than enough in Ohio, in the training with the USA Select Team and at UCLA, working with his potential future point guard would have been highly valuable. For Bayless, it would be an advantage to improve his standing since Blake is still recovering from surgery and no other PG on the team would have worked over the summer with Oden.
Unless Bayless has picked up some things from Travis and this is a bad running joke (and he denied twice working out with Oden), it’s a serious miscommunication on the part of the team.
That those two would be working out was reported by at least the following Blazers employees: Wheels (at least twice). Medina (in Ohio with Kanales). Pritchard speaking of a “workout pact” between Bayless and Oden in his interview with Sports Business Radio. I think Bayno didn’t mention it in his interview with Courtside.
It’s definitely part of an off communications strategy by the organization this summer (didn’t they just win a PR award).
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 12, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
P.S.: I tried to get that questions answered when Casey and someone else from Blazers marketing were chatting on Iamatrailblazerfan regarding the summer league. It’s a simple yes or no question: Did they or didn’t they work out together. And if not maybe a short explanation if it was a misunderstanding, travel plans were cancelled, or what else. No response.
And yes, everyone understands that by itself it’s not a huge deal. It’s just weird.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 12, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what about Brian Grant?
Is he working out with our players or is that a lie too?
by cavejunctionblazer on Jul 12, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little strange, true...
but it’s, so far, nothing that can’t be explained as a simple mistake. The idea that someone has to be “lying” or that there is some kind of conspiracy is even stranger to me.
There is nothing to be gained regardless of who is right or wrong. It just isn’t any kind of an issue for me.
Again, that’s just me.
"The sun is warm, the grass is green." Kesuki Miyagi
by -ken on Jul 12, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point, good point
(but is Brian Grant working with our players or not?I mean I thought I read some where that he was ) LOL
by cavejunctionblazer on Jul 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't the Trailblazers post some
video footage of workouts/ dunks/ nice passes during the off season? I don’t understand this. Contractual issues? Wouldn’t be better to be able to enjoy some of this footage instead of dissecting third hand accounts of executive maneuvering?
by LewisClark on Jul 12, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big deal is that multiple Blazer sources made those comments
We heard it from Wheels, Medina, maybe a few more people. Its about whether we can trust anything the team says.
by jksnake99 on Jul 12, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again I will say: maybe it's Bayless that is incorrect or miscommunicated?
They talked to Bayless. Maybe Bayless said he was going to working out with Greg on the phone with KP, but then never did.
You can’t assume management lied. You can be suspicious I guess, but why?
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jul 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It isn’t as though Bayless or Oden have a lot to gain from working out together."
I agree with you, but you should go back and read the thread about those 2. BE seems to believe that the two of them working out is the best thing to happen to Portland since microbrews.
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by Zaig on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i Agreed actually
i have been wondering the same thing. I think the author was using hte Bayless thing as a case in point type thing. It is just a silly thing to A. not get right or B. just plain lie about. Its not that this is a big deal…..yet……its just concerning. I dont think anyone is being an alarmist just asking valid questions. I allways thought Odens injury status last year was allways kinda say one thing and see another. This could also be used as a case in point. There is just more focus right now because we dont have wins and losses distracting us. I rec this post.
by blazerbeliever97504 on Jul 12, 2009 7:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Turn off Canzano. Step away from the radio. Put down the newspaper. Everything is going to be OK.
I appreciate you baring your anxieties, but think you and many others are grossly overreacting.
What has actually happened this summer? Did the team make a bunch of lousy draft picks? No. Did the team make a bunch of lousy trades? No. Did the team overpay for for FAs? No.
Let’s actually review what has happened, as opposed to what has been rumored:
DRAFT: The Blazer’s draft strategy was to pick up as many useful players as possible without tying up cap space with a bunch of first round draft picks. They were rumored to be targeting Hansbrough, but it didn’t work out when he was picked earlier than expected. They used their first pick on a talented Euro who many believe will be a quality player down the road. They maneuvered to get two of the top three picks of the second round, and picked two four year college guys that they think can contribute. They got a potential diamond in the rough in Patty Mills.
ANALYSIS: Slightly disappointing that they didn’t get their targeted player, but these things happen when you are drafting in the bottom third of the draft. The jury is out on the guys they did pick, but they executed their strategy which was to preserve cap space.
FREE AGENCY: They had a plan.
1) They targeted Turkoglu because he is a very skilled player with experience who could address team needs for scoring and play-making. They made their pitch and everyone thought it was successful. Hedo changed his mind because of factors completely beyond the control of the Blazers, Stuff happens. This is more of a reflection on Turk than on team management. Move on.
2) KP worked the phones and looked at his options. He passed on some players who might have been useful but that he apparently didn’t think would fit the time line or were not big enough improvements to warrant pulling the trigger. He seems to have tried to work a three way deal with Chicago and Utah. When the price, Bayless, was too high, he decided to force Utah hand by going after Millsap. He cooked up an offer that is hard for Utah to match, but that is reasonable enough that we will be happy if they don’t.
ANALYSIS: It is too bad that the Turk thing didn’t work, but that was a mixed blessing anyway. They gave it their best shot, and can’t be blamed for the fact that it didn’t work out. They didn’t panic. They made a savvy move for Millsap, and if it doesn’t work, they will still be one of the few teams left with cap room. The team may be able to get some of the remaining FAs at bargain basement prices, or they are well positioned for lopsided trades as the trade deadline approaches.
CONTRACT EXTENSIONS: We know very little. It is quite possible that Brandon is asking for an opt out clause and the the Blazers offered a four year deal as a way to negotiate for a later opt out clause. Even in the worse case scenario, where a deal doesn’t get done, the Blazers will be in position to match any offers. As Dave suggested in his front page piece, they need to show some spine because they are going to have to sign extensions for a slew of players over the next couple of seasons. Nothing indicates that the team is unwilling to pay Brandon what he is owed. LMA will probably wait until Brandon gets his deal.
ANALYSIS: It is very early. We know very little. Obviously Brandon’s agent is applying pressure by going public. Canzano and Quick are fanning the flames of fan anxiety. Frankly, I will be extremely surprised if this is not resolved in the next month. In the mean time, there is no need to panic.
SUMMARY: Absolutely nothing has gone wrong, a few things have not gone right, but nothing major has gone wrong. KP has made zero bad moves. Some may argue that he has missed opportunities in the draft or the FA market, but KP’s track record as an evaluator of talent has been very good. Until he shows a pattern of bad decisions, KP certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Patience is a good thing. If the trade deadline comes and no moves have been made, that will be a serious mistake, but right now the basic economics of the league suggest that the longer we wait and the fewer teams able to provide cap relief, the more talent we will get for our money.
by upper left corner on Jul 12, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions 17 recs
A big +1
I was going to say, “what turmoil?” and then ramble incoherently for a little bit, thank you for saving my from myself.
Rec.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on Jul 12, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for
saving me from myself.
:::shakes head in disappointment:::
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on Jul 12, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veruca Salt
Nice post. KP didn’t deliver an all-star PG or SF that’s between the ages of 25 and 28. Guess what? Other teams like those players also.
We’re seeing some of the “real NBA” here, as opposed to the “charmed NBA” that’s become the new normal after a few seasons of brilliant (and lucky) moves.
Seems like this is a pretty regular case of the media building up expectations (Blazers raid NBA talent pool), then find a goat when it doesn’t come to pass.
by Engineering Problem on Jul 12, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you post "Veruca Salt"?
Rudy Tootie..... I just don't get it
Tweener
by Kampeska on Jul 13, 2009 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willy Wonka
It’s a character from the original Willy Wonka movie. “Daddy, I want a 26 year old all-star PF. I want you to get me one”.
by Engineering Problem on Jul 13, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vercua's in the novel
and the Johnny Depp/Tim Burton version of Chocolate Factory as well.
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Jul 14, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should turn this into a fan post.
I wish people would just chill out. This post really says it all.
by clydebrandon7 on Jul 12, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm shamelessly reposting (I learned it from '92 alright!)
(All in the Family theme)
Boy, the way the Blazers played
Back before this mess was made
KP’s welcome’s overstayed
He laid an egg
Why can’t he just make a trade?
Or at the least just fire Nate
I bet Roy leaves for Golden State
He laid an egg
All I want to do is win
Can we trade LA for Jefferson?
Mister we could use some men like ’Sheed and Damon again!
Pritchard seems to be content
As left and right free agents went
I demand that PA’s money’s spent!
He laid an egg
All I seem to hear is spin
While we take it on the chin
Just make a move…like Oden for Ha Seung Jin
I’m tired of this same old song
Pritchard’s had this job for way too long
Isaiah couldn’t be this wrong
He laid an egg
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Jul 12, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jul 12, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shamelessly reposting?
Who ever said I wasn’t feeling shame?
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 12, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't see the direction of the Blazers?
Let me lay it out for you:
*Develop the awesome young talent currently on the roster.
*Find the right veterans to mesh with the team…(sometime between tomorrow and 2010).
*Win multiple championships.
You, and a lot of folks get worked up about noise. A perfect illustration of this point was the reaction to this past draft. It was shocking to see how many people were up in arms over who the Blazers did or did not take in the latter part of the first round and in the second round. The reality is that most of these players will make no long term impact on the Blazers or in the NBA.
Step back and look at the Macro picture. It looks good.
by Oden or Bust on Jul 12, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
It's not a huge thing, but it's so weird we would like an explanation for the conflicting statements.
Ben said he was going to ask Rex and KP more about it. Ben, what did they say? If you’ve already answered that some of us obviously missed the answers. Thanks.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 12, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little bothered by the Bayless Oden thing I'll be honest, but that just may have been a miscommunication I guess.
Other than that, I’m confident this ship will not sink so easily. We can’t see the finished product yet. I’ll wait til the trade deadline to pass judgement on KP’s work.
by dario argento on Jul 12, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Death of Pritch as god
Welcome to the Pritch-man
by LaoTzu on Jul 12, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
M. Well, I've been speculating about whether he can't complete a deal
because of the “hurt feelings” hypothesis – other GMs are annoyed about the “pritchslap” rhetoric, he comes off as arrogant and douchey and so forth.
But every story I hear seems to be more related to the “he’s too attached to his players” theory. Or maybe to state it differently, he seems unwilling to risk being the dumbass GM who trades away a player on the brink of stardom. Which is why every trade we hear about gets quashed whenever KP hears a player’s name other than “travis outlaw” included.
The reality is that Bayless probably isn’t going to be another Joe Dumars. Batum probably won’t be an improved Tay Prince. Rudy probably isn’t Reggie Miller. But they might be, and that possibility seems to have our front office paralyzed.
by howlingfantods on Jul 13, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well that and the fact that most of our players are in their early 20's and there's no real rush
imo. National pundits are focused on splashy moves. KP hasn’t made and splashy moves this offseason, hence no run. Meanwhile our roster is still better than 95% of the other NBA rosters.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jul 13, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rush is that the window for using cap space as an asset to improve the roster
is limited, and running out very soon.
We’ve had a couple of bites at the apple now; RLEC, 2009 free agency. We essentially have until this trade deadline in February to do anything with it, unless we risk our team’s future by delaying extending Roy for a year. Which may or may not be happening, I’m staying tuned.
I find it a bit odd, btw, that there’s so much chatter speculating about what’s going on with our negotiations with Roy and LMA, and no one has even brought up the possibility that we may be trying to extend our window for using cap space to the summer of 2010.
About a year ago, someone was asking why we have to assume we’re going to do anything with the cap space, and I said something along the lines that cap space of 15 million (I didn’t predict the Darius thing) is about equivalent to the market value of say a mid-lottery pick. If a GM refused to do anything with a mid-lottery pick (“pass”), you’d consider that a sensationally unprofessional and irresponsible waste of a resource, right? Not doing anything with cap space of almost 10 mill would be equally unprofessional and irresponsible.
by howlingfantods on Jul 13, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean KP Isn't GOD??....
Like a lot of talent on our team some have overinflated opinions of our front office. I don’t think for a minute that teams won’t do deals with us just because of their bias towards KP. I think teams won’t do deals with us because KP doesn’t want to deal away any talent. I think some fans build elaborate opinions on rumor.
by blazerchamp on Jul 13, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I thought all along nothing of significant will happen this summer, (Utah will match), and Porltand will watch until the trade deadline to address there needs. I still think this roster has significant holes that need to be filled with the cap space they have. It will be interesting to see if KP stays with the current roster, or finally makes a significant move to make them better for the playoff run. I’ve been in the camp that things he overvalues his players.
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