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The news that the Detroit Pistons have agreed in principle to deals with Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva (and by the way, I think I'd go and cry into my pillowcase if the Blazers made that combo signing) brings up an interesting question:  where is the next destination for our old friend Rasheed Wallace?

The Boston Herald is reporting that the Celtics have more than a passing interest in 'Sheed, as do a couple other teams.  Where do you think he would fit in best at this point in his career?

It's been on my mind for a while to have a last retrospective on Rasheed and what he meant to this team.  It was hard when he first left because there was (justifiably) quite a bit of bitterness over the last year of his tenure here.  After a few years the Blazers were so bad that the performance, combined with memories of better years, tainted the subject.  Now an entire era has passed since Wallace wore the red and black.  The Blazers are looking forward to sunny days now and in the future so there's no reason for sour grapes.  So talk to me a little about Rasheed and his place in history.

For me he will always be one of the top three or four Trail Blazers ever in terms of talent and versatility.  Before he went into his "I don't want to be here so I'm going ultra-passive" mode I loved his game.  He could defend, post, and face-up.  He played smart and he played unselfishly.  He stepped up his game in the playoffs and took this team pretty deep.  The knocks on him were his rebounding (more than fair I think) and the fact that he never relished that end-game, killer "go-to" role.  I didn't necessarily fault him for that.  He did more than enough to help this team win.  If he hadn't bailed on the team and on the game I suspect he would rank among my favorite Blazers ever.  As things stand I have to settle for him being a near-lock to make an all-time 12-man Portland roster.

Can Rasheed still make a big difference for somebody in this league?  If so, who?  And what are your memories/reflections of him?  Share below if you wish.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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'Sheed!

He’ll always have a fond place in my heart. That’s all there is to it.

by SugarMoses on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

me too

don’t care about his bad attitude and all that. when he was in portland, he could ball, there’s no doubt about that. he’s always been one of my favorite players. best of luck to him..

"be where you are when you're there"

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 2, 2009 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th

I saw him at Safeway, we were both getting the express special, and said ‘what up, great year’ (after his 2nd all star campaign). He thanked me. It made the sesame chicken that much sweeter.

wanderlust

by gatajohn on Jul 2, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still have my Wallace jersey

When he left, it exposed Zach Randolph for the supreme defensive liability he really was.

Conversely, watching the Wallace’s man the paint during the Pistons’ championship run was a thing of beauty. You couldn’t run the pick’n’roll on either side. It was so much fun to watch the two of them befuddle the opposition. There will never be defensive duo like that ever again.

by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 12:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wallace is the only Jersey

i’ve ever bought… and I still love it.

by In Walks Rudy on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

Unless I count the custom one I made for myself….

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 2, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he ends up in San Antonio

Watching Pop and Timmy D trying to reign in ’Sheed would make for some GREAT television.

by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like that idea

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good game....

bof teems played har meh man

by broden on Jul 2, 2009 12:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I still scream 'Ball don't lie!!'

when someone misses a free throw

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 2, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

Yes!

Sheed is who he is and I had fun watching him play…didn’t care for some of his antics, the towel in Sabonis’s face thing…regardless he was one of my favorites on the infamous and tragic 2000 squad.

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on Jul 2, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too :)

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on Jul 2, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will always be a contributor...

but never a leader. He won a title with a team with an established order that he was willing to fit in with for a time. When the other Wallace left, so did the Pistons chances of winning another title. Not because of talent, but because Rasheed still has not learned that the one thing that undermines his contributions to any team is his inability to control himself. He continues to prove that he just doesn’t get it.

He is a talented and likable guy who by all accounts endears himself to his teammates. I have always wondered why he never figured out how much his tantrums hurt his teams’ chances of winning.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jul 2, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

since you mentioned it, my all time 12-man roster

from memory, and it’s late, so don’t kill me. The criteria is this – I’m ONLY counting what the players did playing FOR Portland. So that matters

Starters:
PG: Terry Porter
SG: Clyde Drexler
SF: Scottie Pippen
PF: Maurice Lucas
C: Bill Walton

Bench:
G Rod Strickland
G Geoff Petrie
G Brandon Roy
F Buck Williams
F Jerome Kersey
F Rasheed Wallace
C Arvydas Sabonis

Last Cuts: Duckworth, Wicks, Hollins, Aldridge

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty good, but I like B-Roy at shooting guard with Clyde moved to small forward.

i know it pushes Pippen to the bench but if you look at him when he played with us versus with Chicago he wasn’t exactly the same player. I guess just a matter of one mans opinion.

by lethaldose on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to take away from the debate on Sheed but...

Why Wicks? He was a cancer on those teams! Think Keyshaun (sp) Johnson except in the NBA. He HATED Petrie! He got the coach fired. And indirectly our 2nd coach as well.

And a side note, Lenny Wilkins was fired for suggesting Wicks had to go to win a championship. Dr. Jack comes in, tells them to ax him, they do, and BOOM! NBA Champs

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jul 2, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wasn't old enough back then

so i was just going off of numbers/production on wicks. but in any case he didn’t make the team.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wicks = Zbo

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Sheed the whole time.

I think a lot of the animosity, unfortunately, had to do with our media’s treatment of players. They are the only game in town. Rasheed has never been the type to demand the limelight. And I don’t think people realize all the good he did, overshadowed by his tendancy to…say…over-emphasize his feeling to the officials. I always thought that he just wouldn’t have been as good as he was if he didn’t “care” like he did.

The only thing he ever did that I thought was really super out of line was throwing the towel in the face of Arvydas, but, honestly, I wasn’t there and don’t know everything that went on to lead to that.

I wish him nothing but the best and hope his bad-boy attitude won’t prevent people from realizing that he was one of the better power forwards the league has ever had.

I’d like to see him in Cleveland so NY doesn’t get LeBron and turn into the NBA’s darlings and get special treatment like the Laker’s (heh-heh).

"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

by GonzoFan on Jul 2, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kenny Vance was talking to a Detroit writer today

Vance said he thought that “whoever gets Sheed will be the favorite to win the title”

the Detroit writer told Vance that Wallace has lost his mobility and is a shell of his former self, on the court

as far as being a part of Blazer lore…Rasheed Wallace was the anti-Channing Frye

by two4larue on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

regarding Sheed

I think my lasting thoughts on ’Sheed will always be potential unfulfilled. The guy had the size, athleticism, and skill to be a 10-time all start and hall of famer. As it was, he ended up with a very very solid career, but not quite what it could have been.

Ultimately, his unwillingness and/or inability to be the unquestioned “number one” on a team was his biggest weakness

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's almost sad really.

I honestly believe that Wallace has as much talent as Tim Duncan, but never really put the work in necessary to play at a consistently high level.

Wallace, in his prime, could play the entire court on offense and defense. Now he seems to make his living shooting jumpers. I still think he could get it done in the paint on both ends and he’s one of the few guys who can shut down a Garnett or Duncan.

I think he’d fit pretty well with the “Thunder.” He can play either C or PF and could help make up for Durant’s defensive problems.

It’d be pretty cool if he came back to Portland, but I’m not sure he’d be happy backing up Aldridge and I’m not so sure we want Aldridge to see Wallace every day shooting jumpers. I want to see Aldridge be more like the old ’Sheed, not the current one.

Of course, with Wallace, both teams will always play hard and it’ll be a good game.

by torsoheap on Jul 2, 2009 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am reminded of a poignant observation that Pippen made when on the team

with Wallace, to the effect, Sheed had great talent that he may never completely utilize. I tend to feel that is true. It was more a matter of his motivation and temperment than his athletic ability that limited him. I suppose he is a “sensitive” guy who, unfortunately isn’t so sensitive to his effect on others. Ultimately, his “anger” problem led me to the conclusion that, ah, he’s not the brightest bulb in the pack. His technicals act was wearing thin. His “payday”, win or loose, mentality was disappointing, even if not totally honest. He didn’t really embrace the “team leader” role his capability suggested. I tended to think the departure of Grant took away a calming favorable influence. So, basically, he was a gifted player who found a better environment in Detroit, who I was rooting for in their playoff success. Really, don’t have strong feelings about him now. Certainly no ill will. Hopfully he has, or will, gain greater understanding of the source of his anger for his own quality of life.

by Berkeley on Jul 2, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am still bitter about how it ended

But I did genuinely enjoy watching him play as a Blazers and he was part of my formulative experience as a Blazer/NBA fan.

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 2, 2009 12:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The funny part about Sheed was...

He was so easy to love and to hate. He had a problem with authority; which I can relate to. But that problem brought out over the top reactions to run of the mill calls. Honestly, as much as I liked him, I often felt embarassed by him when I was just watching games at home. Still he was the source of so many jump on my couch moments!
My favorite memory was of going to a game really early one time, and catching Sheed on the floor warming up by himself, and making about 95% from 3-point range.
Although he had it in him, he was afraid to be “The Man”. I think it woud be fair to say that Sheed had the potential to be the premier Power Forward of his era, but may now be hard pressed to make the Hall of Fame. Humble, lazy, scared?,
He did what he wanted to, and still does. He may not have the physical ability to be what he once was, but I think he will quit when he no longer cares about winning. Even if he had to walk away from money.
He has value to a team that can make him care about winning.

There is no curse!

by Underdogfan on Jul 2, 2009 12:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...

And I’ll never forget that he had a men’s urinal in his bathroom at his Portland home(knowledge via MTV Cribs). That still inspires me to this day for when I design my dream home bathroom!

There is no curse!

by Underdogfan on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just pokin' fun...

Is there a woman’s urinal?

by torsoheap on Jul 2, 2009 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rasheed Wallace??? Hall of Fame??? HA!!!!!!!
but may now be hard pressed to make the Hall of Fame.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 2, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cross out may

add in will

cross out hard pressed add in impossible

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 2, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should sign him

just to guarantee that he doesn’t guard Duncan.

by torsoheap on Jul 2, 2009 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i heard boston is very possibly his next destination

"be where you are when you're there"

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 2, 2009 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheed is still one of my

all time favourite players. The man with the sweetest stroke I ever saw for a guy over 6-10. I rate him as a defender so I’d rather not see him join a western conf. team.

by VinnyB on Jul 2, 2009 5:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you summed up my opinions on Wallace pretty well.

And like torso, I too believed that Wallace was one of the top three or four talented players in the game when he was in Portland, but that he never made full use of that talent.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 7:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

as opposed to blake

that plays to his full potential and tries to push it higher… yeah… Rasheed is the opposite, and of the two I’d take blake. You are what you practice. Sheed fell apart when crunch time came. I suspect Blake is much more likely to hit that game winning shot because of the level of play he’s constantly at regardless of the talent.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 2, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando...

……………………… a place where everybody is old and moves slow.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

re:
Where do you think he would fit in best at this point in his career?

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 2, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's an interesting thought

Lewis could move back to the 3. Would Howard and Wallace bump together under the hoop? – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the team used him incorrectly

he was NOT a go to guy, and the team kept treating him as one. That wasn’t his game and it was pretty clear.

I’m not a fan of him as he quit on us. That said, I can understand that with the management that was in place at that time.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jul 2, 2009 7:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is he available?

We need a back up power forward! :)

by Monochromo on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a class act at all

Sheed lived in my public school district and his kid went to our grade school. And as all such districts in the economic situation following Measure 5 many years ago – it cost more money to educate our kids than we got from the state, so we raised money through a school foundation to make up the difference. (nothing has changed….)

Most folks with kids in the school system contributed at the “suggested amount” – which covered the difference between state support and what the real costs were. Some folks went above their “fair share” – which helped balance for those where the request was simply beyond their means.

Rasheed, who was making something like $14M a year, did not go above his fair share, did not even contribute his fair share, and in some years did not contribute anything at all. All of the rest of us were subsidizing his kid!

That to me shows the character of the man. Yes, he could play when he wanted to – but glad he’s gone.

by Memphremagog on Jul 2, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about you

but I laughed my head off when the blazers sent Rasheed to Atlanta. For weeks when the it became obvious he’d be traded I was hoping for Atlanta. In most cases you never hear what’s really going on internally, but wasn’t the message clear (what was Atlanta, about 3 and 79 that year)? Then Atlanta turned around and sent him to Detroit. Oh well, it was fun for a few hours anyway.

by gooddebate on Jul 2, 2009 8:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently not so rare as I believed...

I’ve always been a big ’Sheed fan…since even before his days in Portland and was ecstatic when the Blazers brought him in. Obviously, it was a turbulent relationship, but I still have a fondness for Wallace that will never completely fade.

Oh yeah…I own a jersey for every stop Sheed ever made…including North Carolina and Simon Gratz high school…as well as a road Atlanta Hawks jersey from the one game he played for them before moving on to Detroit. Paid when he changed numbers in Detroit from 30 to 36…didn’t buy a new one for the shift back to 30. Quietly resigned to seeing him in at least one more jersey and buying that one as well… sigh

Look…the guy may let his emotions get the better of him but, when he’s on, there are few better…defending, rebounding and shooting the lights out. Watching LMA and Sheed square off a couple of seasons ago was a great moment in Blazers evolution…like watching Sheed go against a younger version of himself…the baseline jumpers…the high release point…and LMA got the better of the matchup…

Great stuff…

Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?

by raggmopp on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cavaliers

With Sideshow Bob opting out, ‘Sheed would be a perfect fit in Cleveland. For the sake of long suffering Cleveland sports fans I really hope he goes there and helps them win their first championship in any sport since 1964 (as long as he doesn’t do it directly at the expense of the Blazers).

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great player

but I prefer to actually like the players I root for (call me naive). The towel in Sabonis face, “cut the check”, etc. etc. The media was too hard on him? please…

by hellsfrozenover on Jul 2, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Loved his game

When the threat of his jumpers, and his great passing, went away, Zach’s efficiency tanked. I’d love to have the ’Sheed of old playing next to Oden; imagine LMA making scoring a few less points, but racking up assists setting up the big man.

Even when ’Sheed was making statements that made you doubt his commitment, he brought the D and played hard most nights.

I was happy to see him get his championship in Detroit, and I think he’s still going to help someone for another year or two.

All that glitters isn't chrome

by hoopla-pdx on Jul 2, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did he manage to sell his house here?

Bring him back!

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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Jul 2, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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