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The Latest on Hedo/Rudy

Yahoo! Sports' Awoj reports...

In what would be a brazen bid to usurp the Portland Trail Blazers on Hedo Turkoglu, the Toronto Raptors are considering making an offer to the free-agent forward, league sources said.

Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo could make an offer totaling close to $56 million if he cleared additional salary-cap space by renouncing Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino.

Turkoglu, a unrestricted free agent who had a terrific postseason for the Orlando Magic, has been the centerpiece of Portland's free-agent recruitment. He is expected to travel to Portland on Thursday to visit the Blazers. Portland could likely offer a five-year, $50 million contract.

This report seems to directly contradict earlier reports that the Raptors were no longer in the Hedo hunt.

Jason Quick, however, comes through with more on the team's side of today's earlier report on Rudy Fernandez's apparent unhappiness with the chase for Hedo Turkoglu. 

The "news" that Rudy Fernandez is "infuriated" with the Trail Blazers for their interest in Hedo Turkoglu comes as a surprise to coach Nate McMillan and general manager Kevin Pritchard, both of whom had separate conversations with the guard earlier this week on the phone.

"I just spoke with Rudy two days ago, to see how he was doing, and he said he was doing fine and that he was happy,'' McMillan said. "I talked to him about our moves, and how we did in the draft, and why we did what we did in the draft and he was fine with it. We talked about Sergio (Rodriguez) and he was OK with everything we've done.''

As mentioned and linked below, Casey Holdahl has audio that appears to confirm Rudy's general happiness with his situation in Portland.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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50 mil. is a lot to spend

that’s all I have to say about that.

sternocleidomastoid

by GoBlaze22 on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It's a lot to spend on Hedo

Not so much to spend on Bass and Harris (combined).

by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toronto was the source

saying Rudy was infuriated. As for Hedo, I am in his corner….but not for 50 million.

WWOPD? What would Optimus Prime do?

by Blazer Ninja on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

congratulations Toronto!

can’t we gracefully bow out now?

as for Rudy, of course the blazers aren’t going to know what exactly Rudy said. I’ll reserve judgment until I hear it from the horse’s mouth.

The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave

by chrischa on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We can't bow out

until Turkey gets his free lunch

Draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

geez, give the guy his free pizza

and send him happy back to Florida. or Canadia or wherever else he wants to go. unless he wants to take less to play with us. I would love the guy on our team, just not for as much as Toronto is reportedly offering…

The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave

by chrischa on Jul 1, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Divide & Conquer

Start the rumors of unrest, get the media to fan the flames, try and score a coup while the smokescreen is in full effect.

by Steve The Hedge on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

I despise the myth that Hedo performed amazingly during the playoffs.

by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Again, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Hedo is not going to take away touches from Roy. Hedo will take touches from Blake and Outlaw. I think everyone will agree that will be an upgrade.

Hedo is 30. A guy who doesn’t depend on his speed or athleticism to succeed in this league. I’m not as worried about his age. At the very worst, he could be one of the best 6th man off the bench in the twilight of his career like Grant Hill.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bench guy for $10 million?

Thats not what I want 3-4 years from now when we actually have a chance

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said at the very worst when he's probably 35.

I don’t think he’ll decline drastically due to his playing style. By then, the Blazers don’t have any cap space anyways with LMA, Roy, and Oden getting contracts. Who cares if Hedo gets $10 million, as long as the team gets better. Blazers can compete right now and this is probably the last chance to sign a big free agent for a few years.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

I would just rather have Ariza. Cheaper, younger, and will be better than Turk in 4 years. I know this is the last chance and I just hope we dont regret giving this guy all this money.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, when he’s 34-35, Batum will be 24-25 and will be ready for big time minutes, so we’d be set at the three for a loooong time.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

I still want Ariza though.

Him and Nic would be dominant defenders at the SF position for 48 minutes.

Remember how Ariza basically won two games for the Lakers against Denver with his late game steals?

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ariza

He had a great playoffs, but he’s a role player in the triangle system. Ariza already duplicates the players we have at the SF position, while Hedo will bring a unique skillset to complement Roy.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I already want a bench guy for 10 million.

He plays in Chicago.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 2, 2009 4:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else notice "Channing Frye" and Denver inthe same sentence?

Channing, Please do not go to Denver!

It would cause inner termoil with my hate for the Thuggets!

"It's better to have a good player with the basketball in late game situations than to have plays." - R. Pitino

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Go Blazers!!

by DaNoose on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

god he would stick out like a sore thumb

what is he gonna do when the team goes to smoke out after the game as a team building exercise? is he gonna get 8 tattoos to fit in? I hope he can find a few head bands to slap on his head at least

The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave

by chrischa on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Channing Frye need to get tattoos to smoke out with his teammates in Denver?

Frye’s body could be clean on the outside, but not so on the inside; that sounds like a fine combo.

by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a cuture fit

Could you imagine Frye in that locker room?

by Steve The Hedge on Jul 1, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's gonna get bullied like a LARPer in gym class

Don’t let them get to you, Channing. Sticks and stones . . .

Heck, you’d think that a kid named Channing would’ve grown up a little tougher, don’t you?

by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

As long as Channing does it on the court.

Billups and Carmelo will probably tell the bullies to shove it.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love C.Frye I'm gonna miss him a lot no matter where he goes

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by 5Blazers5 on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I reallly hope Toronto can solve our 'Hedo problem'

I wouldn’t mind having him for a season or two, but years 3-5 we would be discussing ways to dump his contract.

by HeadBandWagon on Jul 1, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hedo and Rudy

This anger thing was apparently started by a “source” who wanted Turkoglu to feel that Portland would not be his best bet…….I am all for the Hedo signing, I think he complements perfectly the talent we have……I would offer about 4 yrs/40-42 mil, five years just seems too long for a 30 year old player…..if Toronto is really willing to spend 60 million, by all means take him. There are other options who would fit well and for less than that, but I do think if it doesn’t get that outrageous in cost, Hedo is a good fit.

by yubaduck on Jul 1, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What? You mean that little rumor about Rudy was made up?

Awww Shucks! What are we going to talk about now? Maybe someone over at ESPN can start another rumor tomorrow? Gosh I sure hope.

by JasonT on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So

Nate never actually said word for word that Rudy was okay with Hedo?

--

by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Nate or KP never asks Rudy for permission to sign Hedo.

Maybe Roy would be ok since he is the franchise and leader of the team.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If KP didn't ask Roy aobut Hedo, he wouldn't be doing his job...

…you don’t get Hedo if Roy says no. Simple as that.

by JordanLeDoux on Jul 1, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Player votes

In terms of personnel moves, Roy gets a vote, LA gets half a vote, and Rudy gets no vote. At least, that’s how it should be.

by xedubx on Jul 2, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joel should get 3 votes.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 2, 2009 4:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think, though at this point that is like saying

Nate never actually said he was a man either. It was a malicious rumor by a team trying to screw us. I think we should just hate the Grizz a little more for it. They probably started it anyway.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets compare teams...

Toronto: 33-49 2009. Turk doesn’t care about free health care.

Portland: Playoffs, championship imminent.

Nuff said.

B.S. Liberal Studies OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!

by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARIZA!

ESPN says we are interested in him, but why arent we WAY INTERESTED IN HIM?

Ariza makes more since for so many reasons. And even though Suke didnt like my Ariza suggestion on air because Turk "is a better player", what about 4 years from now?

1. Ariza would be cheaper
2. Ariza is a better defender and doesnt need the ball as much as Hedo
3. Ariza is 24, which means he is still improving. while Hedo is 30 and has probably plateaued. Not to mention Ariza is the same age as all of our "stars".
4. Ariza has championship experience.
5. Did I mention he is a way better defender? And plays better defense?

PLEASE GET ARIZA KP. HEDO WILL NOT WIN US THE CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT SEASON AND BY THE TIME WE COULD ACTUALLY WIN ONE (2-3 years), HE WILL BE OLD, GETTING WORSE, AND MAKING $10 MILLION A YEAR. ARIZA MAKES WAAAAAAAAAY MORE SENSE!!!

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He almost killed Rudy. And he is a Laker.

B.S. Liberal Studies OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!

by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so long as he’s a former L*ker his Next trip to the Rose Garden he’s OK with me

by The Arkitect on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He *was* a L*ker

and that would making taking him away from them that much more satisfying

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ariza is unlikely to ever be a creator on offense.

Plus we already have Batum. If Ariza’s the guys to skip out on a title team for cash, I don’t think he is what we are looking for.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.

by staylost on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Both good points. Recced.

B.S. Liberal Studies OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!

by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats why we get a PG

With a high quality PG and Roy, that should be enough. We need another good defender.

I really like Batum, but he doesnt have nearly the game that Ariza does. Plus Ariza is 24 and getting better. He can shoot the 3, defend anybody, and would be WAY cheaper than Hedo.

Hedo is a nice creator. But for how much longer? The dude is 30 already.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But what I know for sure is…..

Ariza NOW > Batum NOW

I dont see why having both would be bad. That is lock down defense from your SF position for 48 minutes.

And when Batum is 24 and is so AWESOME, how are we going to pay him when we are giving $10+ million a year to a 35 year old Turkoglu???

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because when Batum turn 24

Hedo’s contract will be close to expiration. More accurately, when it comes to to give Batum his big payday, Hedo’s contract will be off the books.

by GMan83201 on Jul 2, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ariza is NOT a playmaker

But between Ariza and Hedo, I rather have Ariza over Hedo.

The best choice is no choice. Go sign a power forward.

by Balian on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, it all makes sense now! It was a translation error.

Rudy said that if we signed ARIZA then he would go play in Europe instead. That makes a lot more sense now. :-P

by conspirator5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo's Wojnarowski wants to have heard the loser in the Hedo bidding will be
League executives believe the loser in the Hedo pursuit - Portland or Toronto — will offer Ariza between $32 million and $40 million deal

by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For once

I hope the Blazers lose

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.

All things considered, Trevor Ariza is a way younger, statistically superior player to Hedo Turkoglu.

by AK1984 on Jul 2, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

F THAT he treated Rudy like a clay pigeon!!!!

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by 5Blazers5 on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but as a Blazer

He’d treat Kobe like a clay pigeon.

by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland has to stop acting like a bunch of 3rd grade teachers

Ariza would make us a better team next year, and provide more trade flexibility

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly?

I’d like Kidd + Marion… but other Blazer fans seem to think I’m crazy.

by JordanLeDoux on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is interesting, but not the kidd part...

i have thought about it but haven’t heard much in terms of Marion. I know his whole deal in Phoenix was that he thought he was a better/more valuable player than he is, but after his 2 year disaster since he left, would he be willing to play for similar money as turkey (assuming Tor renounced marion to sign turkey)? Marion might be a better fit for the blazers, since he is: a lock-down defender, solid rebounder and help side shot blocker, can get up and down the court, and can somehow make a 3 despite his ugly T-Rex style shot. I know he is not a playmaker like turkey, but he does provide an improvement in every other aspect of the game. plus in 2-3 years, i will assume that Batum will be ready to take on the Ariza role and won’t need to be tied down to an aging SF.

by retirecards51 on Jul 2, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am rooting for Toronto!!!!!!!

Please outbid us for Turkoglu!! Batum/Outlaw/Martell 2010!!

by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Salary Cap Question

If we have $8 million in cap space, does that mean we have to sign him to an average of $8m per year? Or could we go five years of escalating salaries ($8m/$9m/$10m/$11m/$12m) in order to get him to 5 years/$50m? (To keep it simple, leave out sign and trades, and leave out the limitations on how much escalation there can be from year to year). Thanks in advance.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe the CBA allows up to 8% raises each year.

That is how the Blazers can offer Hedo $50 million.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you've got the gist of it in your example

we can start him at whatever our space is, then go up from there

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Turkoglu NEED the ball in his hands to be effective???

Yeah I know the guy has good assist totals and functions as a point forward at times, but Orlando did have an All-Star point guard in Jameer Nelson who averaged five and a half assists per game…

And didn’t he play a good chunk of his career with Mike Bibby and Tony Parker, two guys who handled the rock a lot?

I mean, yeah, in order for someone to score points or get assists, they “need to have the ball in their hands” at some point, sure… I just don’t get this presumption that the other players (Roy, LMA, Rudy, etc.) are going to suffer statistically or stylistically as a result of Turkoglu’s presence in a Blazer uniform. That’s certainly not his history and I see no reason to believe that it would be in his future either.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Toronto renounces three players

and is willing to pay Hedo $56 million dollars…they deserve him.

Also, about Hedo’s contract, if he even produces 15-6-5 (about the minimum I’d assume) we won’t be discussing his contract. It’s not like we have a better alternative (dreamers, Devin Harris and Tayshaun Prince are NOT options).

by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoever it is they make a lot of sense...

Well, perhaps he’s overhyping Turk’s D. Can’t wait til we sign HEDO and have a legitimate starting 3. People need to stop worrying about the payroll like it’s coming out of there bank account.

by JK47 on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree on so many levels

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo has mediocre offense (check out his PER) and forgettable defense

He may be clutch, but so is Fisher.

Are there any statistics besides height for which he surpasses Ariza’s performance?

by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You lurk in comment sections?

So so sad.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Was too lazy to register to post anything. If Hedo ends up here, I might have to stop lurking..

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the Puny Rockets that took the Champs to 7 games??

And we played against Yao for all six of our games.

We are building for the future.

So in 4 years we will have a squad of seasoned 26-28 year olds who are killing all the old Vets of the league.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pipe Dream

Yea and all those amazing players are going to re-sign in 4 years for free because they just love each other so much.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why wait..

Why wait for 4 years when you can have legit championship shot now…Many teams sacrifice their whole future for just ONE year’s shot at a championship, and you guys arent happy with at least 3 years of serious shot at a title.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice reversal.

First you say the team is weak, not even able to beat Houston as if it is universally accepted that Houston shouldn’t have been a challenge, then you say “you can have a legitimate championship shot now.”

Which is it?

Frankly, I think we have the talent and depth in a lot of positions to get to the next level without wholesale changes. I don’t care what other teams have done in sacrificing their whole future for just one year. That’s not the model that this team has been working towards for the last three seasons, and I sincerely hope it is never the model they look to.

People in Portland aren’t NY fans who couldn’t care less about the team and the people on it, but are totally self-absorbed pining for glory through the exploits of those they’ll never know. We identify and are for the most part loyal people who enjoy the relationships the players have with the community. That is why we should wait. Because frankly, making huge changes in the middle of a rebuilding process in the name of reaching that goal just one year sooner than the window for multiple championships would be open seems absolutely counter-productive and counter-intuitive when you know anything about the culture of Portland and the fans here.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

You have a legitimate championship shot now…IF YOU SIGN HEDO. He’s your missing piece that will pull all the pieces together to create a true championship team.

Im sure Blazers are a great fan base, you guys had to put up with the Jailblazers and your support in the playoffs this April was pretty impressive. But maybe you’ve gotten to cautious of making big moves. Gotta take risks sometimes you know..

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hedo is not a difference maker. He is an average player statistically.

He is on the downward slope of his career which makes his time span totally incongruous with the rest of the team. We need someone that is starting to peak now, not over the other side of it. Someone about 3 years younger would be ideal.

Signing Hedo for anything close to what he wants would be suicide for keeping the core of the team we have now and like very much together in the next few years, unless Paul Allen is really a masochist financially.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Defense for Hedo?

No way…He only blocked Kobe’s shot after he got beat off the dribble and got lucky. Also, we don’t need a player who can only score in the 4th, because in case you haven’t ever watched a Blazer game, we have Brandon freaking Roy! So don’t tell us what we should do when you don’t even know that we have a much more clutch player than Turkoglu.

Red Hot and Rolling

by BlazerFan88 on Jul 1, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read the News plz

Your organization announced themself that they need someone to take pressure off of Brandon Roy late in games.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're well aware of what our needs are.

However there are many other ways to get to the desired result than signing Turkoglu.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok tell me who

Who? Andre Miller? Ariza? Bass? Rasheed? Dont tell me something like Shawn Marion or Devin Harris which isnt gonna happen.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like you know what's possible.

Miller wouldn’t be a choice of mine, Bass would. Ariza is another candidate for the same spot we have covered. And you really are clueless if you’re going to suggest Rasheed Wallace to the Blazers.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

Why don’t you back off the guy. He made some excellent points and even if you don’t agree with him there is no need to call him clueless.

by lrh86 on Jul 2, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Shawn Marion?! What have you been lurking in our comments for a grand total of 2 minutes?!

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by OdenFanBoy on Jul 2, 2009 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps..

JR Smith and Kleiza are better than them and they came off the bench…So only high a little.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kleiza is better than Fernandez?

JR Smith isn’t even on the level as Fernandez is when it comes to having an all around game. Yeah Smith gets hot, but holy cow, you actually compared Fernandez to Kleiza? hahaha

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JR >>>> Fernandez

JR was the second best 6th man last year. Fernandez wasnt in the discussion.

Kleiza I compared to Webster/Batum/Outlaw…I believe he’s better than at least 2 of those 3 and he barely got ANY burn in the playoffs.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

The ‘wouldnt make Denver squad’ thing was just an extreme example to prove my case. You’re the one blowing it out of proportion when it wasnt my main point

You’re reporting me for claiming JR is better than Fernandez, thats hilarious.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No he's reporting you for making comments which are designed to get a reaction out of people,

and not designed to contribute to a serious debate. The fact that you acknowledge that it was an extreme example after the fact, yet didn’t originally indicates to me that you are trying to egg people on and aren’t interested in hearing what the fans of the team actually think about the situation.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I announced at the beginning that I have been lurking around in your comments section for the past two days just reading what blazers fans had to say.

ANd you say that Im not interested in hearing what fans of the team actually think…

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well your actions in response to our thoughts was to basically call us stupid.

Sounds open-minded to me.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

I didnt call anyone stupid.

I made a case for Hedo ( which I thought was lacking in these comments) and everyone starting attacking me because I apparently know nothing unless I live in the city of Portland.

Of course I replied to their comments about my oppinion, thats how discussions play out..

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What's the basic implication of these quotes?

“Silly Portland Fans”
“…if the list of posters here represent the average Blazers fan…”

Most of your original post was full of condescension and sarcasm. Most people aren’t condescending towards people they think are smart.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look...

I’m from Turkey and so you can understand how I’m just as much a fan of Turkoglu as you are a fan of the Blazers. I’m not here to make fun of the Blazers community.

But when I see hundreds of comments being made bashing someone and even attacking their non basketball traits, I believe that grants me the right to make a strong come back.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

Why are you so obssesed with reporting…

Discussing basketball is one of the best things us fans have. Especially when two sides dont agree..

I dont even mind people bashing or anything like that, but if you dish it out, you should be able to take it back

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because that is the rules on this site.

Blazer’s Edge isn’t like most other fan sites and we like it that way.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it is the responsibility of the moderators ...

… to worry about the rules.

Watching you and Jordan get all righteous is more annoying than listening to what China has to say.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not telling you to shape up or ship out...

…I’m not a mod, so I’m not even threatening anything period…

But I do know what the “right” way to handle bad posts is… and it’s not to come back and make a post like this.

That’s more the point.

The mods are pretty good here, especially for new comers, so even when I reported, I wasn’t and don’t expect a ban, I was just letting the mods know they should come by and chat to explain the rules of the site, since you’re new.

Course now we’ve had most of that discussion between us.

by JordanLeDoux on Jul 2, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Well I like to have heated discussions, use hyperboles for comical or exaggerated effects, and use sarcasm to counter unwise statements.

I guess that means this forum isnt for me.

Wish you guys the best next season, Im out.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rack him!

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand being insulted by rude and inappropriate comments.

But then make a strong come back to the people that are posting the inappropriate content and let the moderators know about it.

The rest of us here aren’t like that and don’t appreciate being treated as if we are.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not actually...

We have lots of fans that follow other teams come here to banter. Some not at all showing interest in the Blazers themselves.

The Rockets had many people come over during the playoffs.

I reported you not for having an opinion that was different, but for being:

1. Overly confrontational with those who disagree.
2. Wildly bombastic in your own opinions.
3. Extremely rigid in your opinions such that you do not discuss them as being fallible.

When you do those three things, it’s called trolling, no matter what opinion you hold. We have avid Blazer fans here who are equally hampered by their inability to hold a conversation.

Dave has always been very clear: the point of this site is to promote conversation and discussion between fans of all types on the subject of Blazer basketball. Your posts are not promoting discussion, they are trying to make people stupid for having it.

by JordanLeDoux on Jul 2, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok Mr. Blazers Edge Police

I see.. so putting up pictures of Hedo getting pissed on by a dog, joking about how ugly he is, and even bombarding your own superstar GM is Ok. But when someone brings a detailed and well structured point to the table that is against what you think…you think its worth reporting.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

Go ahead and report me for all I care. If you cant hold your own against someone from the outside not agreeing with the points you’re making and want to cry about it instead of intellectually tackle my points..then that says more about you than me.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point.

My point was that Hedo was a much better SF than the small forwards on your team – something that was heavily debated on this site.

I also pointed out that I failed to see how role players that your fanbase is requesting, would help you towards a championship.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the underlying assumption there

Is that the players we have aren’t as good as we think they are.

That’s an opinion, and its perfectly fine to have, however we are also entitled to believe that our players are capable of fulfilling the team’s needs especially in light of the fact that we had the second best record in the western conference in a three-way tie this year.

The second youngest team in the league got to 54 wins. That can’t be accomplished without talent at all positions. And to come in here and insult the team and the fans by saying some of our key players wouldn’t even make another team’s roster is ignorant and simply trolling for a reaction.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not trolling.

You might want to grow a thicker skin. His comments were fine.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 2, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Still don't buy it.

Rudy was a Rookie last season, he’s still adjusting to the NBA. He doesn’t have as much of an inside game as Smith, but I don’t see much difference between them. Rudy is better off the ball than Smith in my opinion and will only get better.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post - a lot BE posters are myopic

Turkoglu is a player that makes the team better. And a lot of players these days are able to play well into their mid-30s, so I don’t think that is a huge issue. Turkoglu will cause teams to adjust to him- you can’t say that about Batum or Webster.

Too many BE posters value current Blazers way too highly. They also bitch and moan about getting veterans, but then when a move happens, they bitch and moan about that.

Porridge too hot, porridge too cold…

by ralphzillo on Jul 2, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nearly every negative post about Hedo

mention his PER or some stat that says he’s mediocre. Stats don’t tell everything
about a player. I like Travis Outlaw, and I hear his PER is higher than Hedo’s. The stat
geeks believe that makes Trout the better player. How’d he do against the Rockets?
Hedo had a great playoff run despite the mediocre stats.

Some players just make a team better.

by hellsfrozenover on Jul 2, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, and disagree

I agree with your basic premise that Blazer fans are mistaken in voting down the potential Turkoglu signing, but I think you have misjudged our line of reasoning (and badly underestimated the value of Batum/Fernandez et al, but that was not the main point of your comment).

It was painfully obvious that we lacked toughness, defensive intensity, and veteran savvy in the playoffs. Turkoglu is an incredible talent and I would love to have him on the roster (just imagining how he can help Oden has me salivating), but he doesn’t exactly scream out toughness and defense like some of the other available free agents. I want him on our team but I know we’ll still need some bulk at the four aftewards.

And the part about his salary is just wild speculation on everyone’s part. Just as you correctly slotted in Turk’s salary compared to the Gordon and Villanueva signings, there are many others who say that Detroit foolishly overpaid for them both. I am a long suffering Cleveland Indians fan who just watched the team wildly overpay for Kerry Wood because this was a bizarre off season and nobody knew where the salaries should be set.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland can match Toronto's reported money

As it stands now Portland has $48.354,922 in salaries including cap holds for 3 1st round picks unsigned. If the cap is $57M then Portland can offer $8.7M for 5 years or $51M. If Portland renounces Peterri and Joel rights they have $10.3M to offer for 5 years which is $60M. (Using Storyteller’s excellent website).

Not that I think the should or even would do so but the options are available.

by lee3022 on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

your off about a million and a half

Portland’s salaries plus the 3 rookie holds total 49,982,722. source is Storyteller’s updated data. So, a $57 million cap means we have right at 7 million to start. speculation is that the cap will likely be closer to 58 however.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe i don't understand the cap super well...

but i don’t understand the math there lee3022. i see you state pdx can offer $8.7 for 5 years or $51 mil. how does that work (5 × 8.7 = $43.5)? Does this go back to the escalating contracts mathematics?

by retirecards51 on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two facts in that report...

a) European teams have been courting Rudy.

b) Somewhere, Rudy expressed dissatisfaction about the way he was used this season. (Probably he was saying that he can do more than shoot 3s. We all know he can do more, Nate knows he can do more, everyone HOPES eventually he will do more.)

The rest was most likely just jumping to sensational conclusions.

by LicketyBrindle on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am no good with contracts and what not

but there is talk that toronto wants turk so what about a sign and trade for shawn marion and a filler if needed.

Shawn=much better defender, rebounder and does not need to have the ball in his hands to be an asset.

He is also a better fit to defend some of the back up/starting power forwards we would be coming up against: ala odom, randolph (gs and mem), Milsap….

by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

More power to Toronto if they want Hedo.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if we court Hedo and that pisses off Rudy

what would signing Ariza make him do….cry?

WWOPD? What would Optimus Prime do?

by Blazer Ninja on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rudy was interviewed yesterday in Spain. The most interesting comments:
-Two months have already passed since the end of the regular season, how do you evaluate your first year in the NBA?

-It has been a very good season. Never I imagined things could work out so well. I have improved mentally, also professionally. I hope next season is equally good.

-Although you don´t have already Sergio Rodríguez to your side…

- Sacramento has been good news for him. Sergio is a very important player in any team. The National Team has begun a new project, but in these moments Sergio has his mind in the Kings and in beginning next season with his new team in the best possible way.

Link

by amlmart1 on Jul 1, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd much rather have Devin Harris if we're going to go after a real difference maker.

Signing Hedo for five years is silly to me. Signing him for $50 Million is downright insane. Sniffing the Turkey Glue is right. Get someone in here at the places where we need them.

Pendegraff might fit for a backup PF eventually, but I’m not convinced we need to make a big splash in the free agent market. Save the money for next year’s free agent market or make a trade to get that difference maker. An aging Turkoglu is not the solution, unless you really want to make glue.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Harriglue

You’re much more likely to get Rafer Alston from the Nets than Devin Harris. Unless the Nets have officially gone bankrupt and are selling off assets.

by NBA China on Jul 2, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, Devin Harris.

I wonder if people in New Jersey talk about magically acquiring Brandon Roy like it could happen if you wished hard enough.

by JK47 on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, you mean that's not how it works?

I guess I should be stop praying for LeBron in front of his bobblehead. I call it my Voodoo LBJ and made a jersey for it and everything.

by xedubx on Jul 2, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least you know enough to understand it will take prayer ...

… and not simply the proclamations on how it should be done by self-appointed GM candidates.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Jersey was reportedly (don't have a link) open to dealing Harris because of money concerns.

New Jersey traded for Alston and Orlando was able to get to the finals with Alston, why do you think that New Jersey wouldn’t be willing to give up Harris contract for a lopsided trade?

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Harris is extremely fairly priced

$8,400,000: $8,981,000: $9,319,000: $8,500,000 for the next 4 years.

That’s part of the reason why it was stupid of the Mavericks to trade him and pieces and picks to the Nets. I doubt the Nets are dumb enough to repeat the mistake, much less for our poo poo platter.

by Norsktroll on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a reasonable price for Harris.

I just don’t think the players we could offer fit the description of a “poo poo platter.”

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is more than reasonable price...

if frickin’ kirk hinrich is making the same money!!!! Knowing that you’d be paying kirk more than devin harris should be enough to get all the Blazer fans off the “go get kirk” bandwagon.

by retirecards51 on Jul 2, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason for me is to simply put myself in New Jersey's shoes.

Harris is reasonably priced, at the point where he is hitting his prime years and with Carter gone, one of the best players on the team. If I have the responsibility to put together a decent team, even within salary constraints, I consider Harris to be a keystone player. Paired along with Brook Lopez NJ has a PG – Center combo to build around. Courtney Lee is a nice addition at SG. That’s three young players they control for the next 3 – 4 years. If someone comes calling for Devin Harris, they better be willing to pay through the nose.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

harris was their best player...

even with vince carter on that team. vince carter is an overhyped, overpaid, cancerous player. He (like a lot of other talented guys: McGrady, Marbury, etc) is too focused on himself and his personal stats to contribute to a championship team.

by retirecards51 on Jul 2, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A different approach???

I dunno but not too many ppl are on board with this whole Turkoglu thing. I think he will definitely make our offense better and can contribute by taking pressure off of LA and ROY but KP would also need to move Travis, Martell, or Nic so we have a roster spot for Turk. And if this is the case, we could probably pick up Kirk with Travis. But the problem would be Jerryd won’t get his minutes again if Kirk and Blake are gonna play in front of him. I’m pretty sure we ALL want to see Jerryd starting to develop and getting his minutes. But I think Houston is trying to trade TMac. I think this would be a great move for the blazers to get. We get a great experienced player, still athletic and good, although he may get injured, he can shoot the 3 pointers and will still take pressure off of ROY and LA. We might can pull off a 3 way trade with Chicago and Houston to get both kirk and TMac and Blazers could dump off Blake and Travis. But i dunno if this trade is possible since I don’t know much about cap space and stuff like that….but this is my thought.

by SDjjll on Jul 2, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's another aspect of this Turkoglu thing that makes absolutely no sense to me.

It has been touched on, but the defensive role that Batum and Webster are supposed to be perfectly capable of taking on. If we sign Turkoglu then one of these two guys are going to be out of the rotation and our defense for the starting unit, which everyone complained about during the Houston series will be even weaker than it was this year.

Roy
LMA
Oden/Pryz
Blake
Turkoglu

You see any position in that starting lineup except Center that has any chance of consistently defending against the best teams in the league? I dont.

Besides all the other reasons it doesn’t appeal to me, I would never in my wildest dreams have imagined that the Blazers would go after Turkoglu for that reason alone.

We need better defense, not someone who over the next couple of years will lose his remaining ability to stay in front of players.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you people crazy?

Hedo makes sense. He can score and create for himself, and help create for those play’n with him. He can drop the long ball. Has great ball handle’n skills for a 6’10 wing. Creates match up problems for other teams. While he isn’t going to make anyones 1st or 2end team def. squad, he can defend better then most of you want to give him credit for. Match him with a new PG(i love blake and would really love him off of the bench, but bayless needs play’n time, and we need to upgrade our starter) and we look good. One BIG point most of you are missing is Roy and LA will get extentions this season. We will have no cap space next year. we do something now, or deal with players we can sign with the mid-level ex. for the next few years. Summer before his last year, we’ve added a trading asset with his expire’n contract.( 12-13 mil.)
 At PG i’m not sold on andre miller, i’ed rather see kirk but i think either is an upgrade. AGAIN we will have no money next offseason, and moves need to be made now. his (miller)expire’n contract will be an asset when bayless is ready to roll. We aren’t going to get harris for what we could offer, unless we give up all our promising young guys. He is an affordable allstar, he’s not going anywhere. Ariza hasn’t proven anything yet getting him makes no sense. I’ed rather keep outlaw (slap him tell him to man up and get comfortable starting)
  Again we need to make moves now, I doubt paul allen is going to freak about pay’n the lux tax when we go over, so who cares if we offer hedo 10 mil? if he ends up coming off of the bench oh well(don’t think that will happen for the first 3 years or so) I just hope blake and outlaw are enough to get kirk, but again i will settle for miller.

by Spudzwudz on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

more

all of you on the Harris wagon, would you give up LA for 2 roll players? didn’t think so, and he isn’t even an all-star yet.

by Spudzwudz on Jul 2, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've met Chris Sheridan ...

… he’s a nice guy; used to be AP’s top NBA writer.
It is, however, possible his analysis of Rudy’s “fury” is a little overblown.

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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