The Plot Thickens: Rudy Mad About Hedo?
by Ben Golliver on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
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From Chris Sheridan at ESPN...
Portland's pursuit of a certain player from Turkey has infuriated the Trail Blazers' lone remaining Spanish player, Rudy Fernandez, to the point where he'd prefer to play in Greece, Russia or even Spain again, ESPN.com learned Tuesday.
A league source told ESPN.com that Fernandez has already been courted informally by European powerhouses Olympiacos, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and CSKA Moscow as word spread that the Blazers had become the apparent front-runners to land free agent Hedo Turkoglu.
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The Blazers have been made aware of Fernandez's feelings, the source said. The source added that Fernandez has not formally requested a trade but has expressed his dissatisfaction with the way he was used by Portland coach Nate McMillan over the course of his rookie season.
Click through to his full report to read the financial specifics and what would need to happen for Rudy to play abroad next year.
It's very difficult to imagine Rudy not being in the NBA next year. But perhaps this gives a little credence to potential trade whispers. At some point, something does have to give if you bring in Hedo. But I find it hard to believe that that "something" would be Rudy...
Speaking of Rudy, Casey Holdahl continues to hit homeruns with his coverage from Mallorca. Check it out!
Casey even took the following picture of a "furious" Rudy, clearly angered by all the Hedo talk.
IMPORTANT UPDATE::
4:33PM Check out this audio file of Rudy's assembled thoughts this week (likely taken before this morning's report) provided by Blazers.com World Traveler Casey Holdahl. A partial transcription...
I think it's difficult the first year... I think about my family when I'm in Portland... In Portland I'm very happy. The fans are incredible with me. The team is great, great players, great persons, I think everything is good.
Sergio helped me a lot in the transition the first year. But LA, Brandon, Joel, Travis everyone helped me transition to the team.
Everyday I think about Mallorca and Barcelona. My dream is to play in the NBA.
On Sergio's Trade...
I think it's an opportunity for Sergio to play in Sacramento. To play minutes. For me, I'm not happy that Sergio go to another team... but I have big friends in Portland, these are great guys. I'm happy because Sergio right now is happy.
Message to Fans in Portland...
I miss Portland, yes, for sure. I miss the fans. Thank you for coming to Mallorca to see the camp.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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id rather...
have rudy for $1 million that turkeyglue for $10 mil
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 34 recs
Yes. This is true.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
son of a ...
i hate this deal now, i hate turkoglu i hate orlando for trading for vince carter. we better not lose rudy
by HurricaneDayne on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i hated it before
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I would rather have Rudy for 10m and Turkoglu for 1m!!!!!!!
This Turkoglu thing is beginning to sound like it could destroy this team.
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
not even that.
but (I know so many other people hate to hear it but) TRAVIS HAS A BETTER PER, IS A BETTER CLOSER, AND IS YOUNGER, and his DEFENSE is better. And we already have him in our books and at half the freaking salary, AND HE IS GOING TO GET BETTER INSTEAD OF WORSE NEXT YEAR!!!
Yes, his lasting impression this year was choking against RON ARTEST defending him (Shocking right? One of the best defenders in the league shut down our third option).. But he is and will continue to get better. SAY NO TO HEDO, SAY YES TO TRAVIS! (I really like that that rhymes).
JAWESOME!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
6 yrs in the league...
Outlaw is what he is. He has reached his ceiling offensively. He needs to improve his help D and nose for rebounding the basketball for him to be valuable enough to keep.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He's 4 million.
Why do you think he’s reached his peak. Players tend to start to peak at 26, which is two years away for him.
Just being a third scoring option at 4.5 million is easily enough reason to keep him. Even without his ability to get his shot of wherever and whenever, and his ability to close.
Even if his defense and help side blocks were no-existent, which is not the case, he’s still more than valuable enough to keep. I mean your teams third option scoring, and a reliable and efficient one at that, you
A) Don’t throw away
B) Expect him to be the perfect player.
C) You’re not getting either of these things (D+R) with Turkey-glu
D) And you’re taking back a less efficient Offensive player.
I mean I think you guys are either crazy, or something some times, I mean HE’S OUR THIRD SCORING OPTION, FIRST OFF THE BENCH, WON 6 OUT OF 7 GAMES FOR US ALL BY HIMSELF LAST YEAR, AND HE’S BEING PAID PEANUTS!!!!
I have no idea what you guys are thinking. I mean of course he has holes, what player doesn’t? Certainly Turkey does, and yet he’s being celebrated around the league (FOR BEING A WORSE PLAYER THAN TRAVIS).
(Once again not usually CAPS-Centric, but holy god people let’s realize how our players actually stack up compared to the rest of the league, [and what they are getting paid]!!)
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i can't argue
and frankly i agree with most of what you said. I think travis would be a good piece to let go, but he DOES have value and we’d HAVE to see that value returned for him.
As for turkey boy… /facepalm. would be the first move by KP regardless of what stats or information he has that i’d be extremely upset about.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I agree.
I would probably be more upset than you to see Travis go, but IMO he is dealable. But the trades generally have him as a throw-in to sweeten the deal, which seems to me like us not recognizing our own talent.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
I think alot of it has to do with a year from now.
When we would have to let him go for nothing as a free agaent. His payday will surely be more than 4mil, at the same time when Roy and LMA (I hope he doesn’t leave us for a Texas team) are going to be cashing in on their first big money contracts.
We surely can’t keep him under those circumstances. Why not get something in return?
But if Outlaw goes, Rudy will take over the “6th man” title, although I doubt his minutes will really increase.
An Oregonian in Texas.
+1,000,000
PUT RUDY IN THE STARTING 3 SPOT!!!(Or maybe Brandon)!!!!!!
We rarely use traditional sets, who needs traditional roles?!?!?!?
RUUDDDDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYY DOOOOON’TTTTTTTT GOOOOOOOOO :(
(I’m sorry I never get so Caps friendly, but this deserves it.)
JAWESOME!
I bet it was Sergio
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just read this BS
So Rudy was upset with the way he was used last season? I remember him saying after the exit interviews that he was relieved that he got playing time and that he was happy with the system.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Sounds like disinformation to me...
Rudy being unhappy about the Blazers getting Turk makes sense, but this article is a bit too over the top for me to believe.
I´ve read Rudy saying in interviews in Spain:
1.- Best thing about Nate, he trusted on him, giving him playing time.
2.- Worst thing about Nate, he didn´t want to take risks.
3.- He doesn´t want to be almost only a three point shooter. He wants a bigger role next season.
by amlmart1 on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
does he sound unhappy?
hard to tell in a translation
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
He´s not unhappy at all.
He loves Portland and the team.
by amlmart1 on Jul 1, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
if rudy only shoots threes...
he’s wasted out there. The guy moves without the ball which EVERYONE on the blazers should be doing.
Nate does that with webster too which irks the heck out of me because, as we saw when roy was out and webster was allowed to attack, he scores like crazy.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I don't blame Rudy, he pretty much just hung out on the 3pt line all season
trying to distract defenders from the paint. Maybe getting Turkey-Glue would free up Rudy for some of his plays fantasticos like from his Joventut days.
Yeah,
25 minutes per game, along with quite a bit of national recognition, the dunk contest, etc.
Why is all that something to cry about? He had a great rookie year and will continue to get better, and along with that will come playing time. Patience my dear Rudy! He will outgrow his role on this team sooner that we want, but until then, What does he want, ONE-HUNDRED and forty-eight minutes per game?
An Oregonian in Texas.
With just 5 Rudys...
We could form NBA Voltron!!!
by DonkeyShins on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
NBA VOLTRON!
I just spit tea out my nose!
by Arcturas on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why we need him
If we had Turky and somebody made a joke about 5 of him making Voltron everyone would just say you’re an idiot. I can’t make a better point than others already have about him making 1/10th the salary and being younger. Last season our best lineup was 3 guards with Roy at sf. We need a point guard, not a sf who can’t play defense and will screw up our chemistry.
by terryisntbald on Jul 1, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
What is wrong with Spanish guards?
Do they all have an inflated ego? Rudy was a nice player off the bench, but he didn’t deserve any more responsibility with the ball.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
If he wants an opportunity to grow as a player, that is fair.
I’m not saying he actually is mad or wants a bigger role, but Sheridan is probably mixing a little sensational journalism mixed speculation.
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The news on Turkoglu just gets worse and worse
and yes, Rudy for $1M is much better than Turk for $10M
by xman47 on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Forget Turkoglu
He is a bad fit and Rudy Fernandez will play in Europe!
And yes
RUDY > TURKEY
by Balian on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Rudy >>>>> Hedo
PLEASE KP DONT DO THIS!!
by ostateblazer on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So much for chemistry
Time for some KP Jedi mind tricks, or turn Nate’s plane around.
i dont know if nash is the answer
but i have been singing the fire nate song for a while now
fire nate before its too late
Which leads to the question ....
…. what did you do with the money you were given for singing lessons?
hakkaa päälle !
he meant...john nash
shudders
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 1, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont give a damn who he is
Rudy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TURK
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He DOES look furious
I mean really, doesn’t he look like the Hollywood version of a serial killer in that photo?
by Corvid on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
clearly he was upset at the water temperature.
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heh
“Come out, come out, where-ever you are…”
He needs some tats – at least ‘LOVE’ and ‘HATE’ on his knuckles – to pull this off.
I'm suprised I can even type right now.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rudy looks nothing like an NBA player does he?
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
He needs to get a "Trail Blazers 4 Life" tat on his stomach
only then will he convince me of his loyalty to P-Town
"Should I ask? What's a punani?" - by annthefan on May 3, 2009 1:55 PM
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
that’s a package deal- you get “_ 4 Lyfe” and an AK-47 magically appears above it.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy is the Man
But he wont be with us 2-3 years from now, as he would be a starter for most other teams in the league. I love the guy, but perhaps we should trade him while we can still get top dollar for him
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
may be too late for "top dollar"
once news like this breaks, the other GMs will start lowballing KP, knowing that he “has” to trade Rudy or face dealing with another unhappy Spaniard
here’s hoping KP was “out in front of this” and already has a deal (including Rudy) for a PG in his hip pocket
Na, he really wouldn't. He doesn't defend and has no game inside the 3 point line.
Down the road he could be, but right now Rudy gets too much hype from our fanbase
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This seems a little fishy
I thought Rudy was pretty happy about his role last year. After all it was his rookie year and he was getting 25 minutes a game.
If we lose Rudy and gain non-BE word Hedo this will be the worst summer…ever.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
a little dramatic, but losing Rudy over Hedo would be devastating.
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah maybe
But…SERIOUSLY? This is awful. I can only hope it’s not true. I don’t want Hedo. This would only add more awfulness to this already awful proposition.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Fair enough.
I think almost everyone here agrees that if it came down to Rudy and his rookie contract or Hedo and his 5/50mil…it’s a no brainer. KP, you know we’re in love with Rudy but for good reason. Don’t let this happen!
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
From Casey
“That shouldn’t be read as a declaration of discontent. Far from it. Rudy is quick to point out how satisfied he is with Portland, especially when it comes to the support of the fans in the Rose City and beyond,”
…I hope Hedo doesn’t change any of that
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was starting to warm up to Turkoglu.
This puts those feelings under liquid nitrogen.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
say no to turkeyglu
or however you spell his name…I’d much rather have a happy Rudy than a streaky Turkish Jordan. I think Rudy can man the 3 as well…
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times: I heart Portland!!!
What a god awful offseason this has become
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Here's your next headline
Rudy Forces Trade; Outlaw Re-Signs
- Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
nah, Travis is gone
the headline will be
“Hedo in, Rudy out”
before the draft I thought we had maybe 18-24 months before the “Rudy dis-satisfaction” quotient reached critical mass. Little did I realize it would be closer to 18-24 days
really? REALLY?
Relax.
We drafted Pendergraph, Peppermint Patty Mills, and stashed Victor Claver; we dumped Sergio and C-Frye. So far everything else is hearsay. Off the ledge with you.
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
Peppermint Patty Mills! LOL!!
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 1, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's play some cornhole
You can call yourself Peppermint Patty.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
doesn't doing nothing
sound a whole lot better now?
clearly part of KP’s devious plan. Toss out trades that the fans freak out about… and then let them sigh with relief when nothing happens.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
This seems illogical
Why would Rudy even be mad? He does not play the same position and he and Turk would seem to have compatible games. Very strange.
Turkoglu plays the 3.
For Rudy to get minutes, Roy needs to play a good deal of 3.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
And the US whipped both countries butts in wars within the past century-plus.
So? :) OK, I’m stretching it with the Turkey reference, as there was little if any direct engagement between US and Ottoman forces in WWI, but still….
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Spain
did not fight in WW1 or WW2
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Spanish-American War
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
missed the plus in century plus
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Delicate topic. There was a bloody civil war in the 1930s with Germany and the Soviet Union involved as a proxy war
As depicted by Picasso, Dali, and in the famous photo of the dying soldier by Robert Capa
Guernica-great painting
There’s a reproduction hanging in the United Nations Security Council chambers actually.
Also Pan’s Labyrinth takes place right after the war formally ended.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
La Belle Epoque
takes place right afterwards as well.
Good movies are set after the Spanish Revolution apparently.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 1, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Both the war itself and the silence following it are absoloutely fascinating topics.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
or type Hedo
we’ll know who you’re talking about
by terryisntbald on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i'll type turkey
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Who are you and what have you done with the real KP?
That’s my question. This Hedo mess is taking me back to the days of Bob “I’m not a chemistry major” Whitsitt. Ugh
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
Does it really matter?
Look, I think everyone wants rudy to stay with the team and watch him develop into a star caliber player, BUT he will never get the opportunity with roy at his natural position, and with the team shopping for another SF whether it’s turk or someone else. I think the consensus is that if we sign turk, we would then want to trade a package of players to New Jersey for Devin Harris in which rudy would probably be apart of the trade. Let’s just wish him the best and hope he doesn’t burn us too much down the line.
Except Roy doesn't like playing the 3
and has complained about it in the past.
by howlingfantods on Jul 1, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If Roy doesn't like winning I can see why his complaint has legitimacy
if he does like winning when he plays the 3 the team plays much better.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, this is where we have the debate about offense and defense.
When Rudy Fernandez and Brandon Roy play alongside each other, Fernandez plays the 3 on offense and the 2 on defense while Roy plays the 2 on offense and the 3 on defense.
Now, if Roy complains about playing the “3,” my reaction to that depends totally on what side of the floor he’s referring to in that instance. If it’s on offense, then I agree with him; Roy should never be stuck on the weakside corner. If it’s on defense, then I disagree with him; Roy should be able to handle defensive assignments against bigger wings at times.
Roy has been consulted re: Hedo
And given the FA signing his thumb’s up
Give it a rest, that Roy-Rudy combo is not in the cards. They are both SGs
Rudy and Roy on the wings together work, at an astonishing level. It’s plain as day. It shows itself in both stats and when discussing their roles on the team. Not doing it is pure stupidity. Roy is perfectly capable, and actually better defending 3’s. Another thing that shows itself without question in the stats in every single year he’s been in the league.
Ok I give up, you're right AS.
Go ahead and tell BRoy that we don’t want to hear his complaints and we’re going to force him to play SF, so we can accommodate your desire to play Rudy significant minutes because you spent 10 minutes researching some stuff on 82games.com. I’m sure that’ll go over really well.
by howlingfantods on Jul 1, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell B-Roy that the team has a much better chance of winning games
when he plays more at the 3 when Rudy is out there with him. I’m sure his desire to win will outweigh any of the rest of it.
I do not want to see Roy playing any position (major minutes) other than SG
So it won’t happen.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Even though he's been much better at SF thus far in his career?
There is zero reason he can’t play 10-15 minutes per game at small forward effectively. I’d suggest checking out the numbers for Roy at SF before you poo poo this.
but NJ wants a salary dump for Harris
not contracts
Turkoglu might very well take us out of any Harris talk.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Perhaps a third team could get involved?
Or we can re-sign Raef to a Keith Van Horn-esque deal (one year guaranteed), throw Rudy in the mix, and trade THAT to NJ?
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
could still happen
and it wouldn’t hurt my feelings, none
like someone said, it’s Paul Allen’s funny-money, not mine
we already renounced rights on Raef
Possibly a third team, but it may have to be someone with cap space, and they will probably want a nice piece for taking that hit.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
I don't think u can renounce bird rights
Although signing Raef to a partially guaranteed deal to trade for Harris doesn’t make sense since the guy they want to get rid of, Bobby Simmons, is also an expiring contract.
If we hadnt renounced him
him would count as a FA cap hold
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
he had the amazing skill set
to sit at the end of the bench, or in Kansas, and not make a peep.
An often overlooked NBA skill
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Blake and Outlaw
have expiring contacts = 7.6 mil that would come off NJ’s books next July 1
Harris has a LTC at 8-9 per year
If he leaves i want turkoglu and nate out of portland.
Can you imagine how much he will be booed, if it even slightly looks like he had a hand in portland parting ways with rudy?
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
It's not like this is Hedo's fault
Come’on, boo him? This is squarely on Rudy.
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No it isn't his fault , but you know how fans are.
If rudy sincerely came to the management, and asked for a more significant role. and they do this?
I would be pissed.
Nobody on this site even likes Hedo. You think they are gonna like him more if he pushes out a fan favorite?
Rudy was a star in spain, Nate is crippling him.
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate's not crippling anybody
He played 25 minutes a game his rookie year, many of those minutes coming in the 4th quarter. Rudy played a huge part in this seasons success.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
but i agree with yikes
nate doesnt do anything to make rudy better. he wants him to be a player that stands at the 3 point line and shoot a 3, which he is good at, when rudy can create for himself but nate doesnt like rookies having the ball in there hands.
fire nate before its too late
nate doesnt like rookies having the ball in there hands.
Probably worth noting Rudy won’t be a rookie this coming season.
But he'll play 10min, get his confidence destroyed and will start to get bashed by half of BE
Then there will be a bunch of guys that’ll start a Free Rudy campaign, and he’ll be traded after his 3rd year when he has lost all his trade value.
Oh, wait, nevermind, that was Sergio.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy's a lot better than Sergio ever was
Two different situations. I know lots of people in Spain gripe about Nate’s handling of Sergio (heck, God knows they do here) but I think it’s pretty simple: Sergio came over after an amazing couple of tournaments and he wasn’t ready for the NBA. Rudy clearly was.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, the nationalism going on here
is stifling.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
i dont think
he was complaining about the way he will be used next year. it was about last year when he was a rookie. rookie gaurds have always complained about nate
fire nate before its too late
Who else besides Sergio and (allegedly) Rudy?
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't Jack miserable in his rookie season?
He complained about being jerked back and forth in his role on the team.
This might have been in his sophomore year too.
Very few rookies get leeway
It’s kind of an NBA thing.
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how about..
earl watson. and i dont know if luke complained publibly, but hisminutes doubled his second year just adding to the point that nate doesnt like rookies playing/controlling the ball
fire nate before its too late
Earl Watson only played under Nate McMillan during the 2000-2001 ...
season as a rookie point guard. McMillan, however, pushed Watson aside come playoff time at the backup point guard and replaced him with Randy Livingston — who was a tall, methodical floor general loved by “Sarge” for obvious reasons — which led to Watson leaving for Memphis as a free-agent that off-season.
Anyway, it was Antonio Daniels who pushed Luke Ridnour into a secondary role during the 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 seasons. In that case, though, I agree with McMillan’s decision, for Daniels was the superior player.
Why is everyone surprised that rookies get treated like this
they’re learning on the team’s time. With very few exceptions that’s the way of sports. It’s nothing against new players, it’s something against players that keeping screwing up. Why is this hard to understand?
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Rudy can't create for himself
without screens — he couldn’t even do it in the ACB. Why run P&R for Rudy when you can be running them for Roy, which a much higher-percentage play?
And Rudy standing in the corner waiting for a kickout doesn’t just mean that he’s gonna shoot it. It lets him head-fake a defender flying out to contest his lethal long-ball, then put it on the floor to dribble-drive and either finish or dish for an easy two. I’d argue that Nate did an admirable job utilizing Rudy last year.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy was TERRIBLE creating for himself
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And started a game in the playoffs...
Nate has not, in any way, crippled Rudy.
Look, I LOVE Rudy and all, but he is simply NOT a better player than Roy….no way, no how.
what about
using turkoglu in a sign and trade for andre miller?
"be where you are when you're there"
They already have Igodala and Thaddeus Young at 3
And Marcus Speights. No not happening.
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
A FA cannot be traded for 3 months or until december 15th, whichever is longer.
by dario argento on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless the player is made aware that the contract is going to be traded
Then it’s ok.
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Sergio, Rubio and now Rudy....
I think I am done with the Spanish guys… all they do is complain.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Juan Carlos Navarro
didn’t last long in the NBA either…. of course, being stuck in Memphis is a lot different than being in Portland (or New York, or LA, or Miami, or some other city where you can party hearty all the time).
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Pau Gasol complained his way out of Memphis. He’s fine now that he’s on a championship team.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't recall hearing about Gasol ever complaining
He always struck me as a stand up kind of guy. Was he a whiner?
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I've been thinking that for the last month.. or whenever Rubio
started making demands… Just been waiting for Rudy to say something. Hopefully this is totally off-base.
My opinion of Rudy just went way down
I mean look at Bayless, the dude obviously wants to play more and he probably complains privately to coach Nate but all he does is say the right things to the press and work his arse off. I mean I am willing to look the other way from Rudy’s late night partying before games and his taking nights off but complaining like this is weak. Step your game up Rudy and complain in private.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who is better , turkoglu or rudy?
Thats your question right there.
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
right now its turkoglu, but Rudy's upside is all-star.
by dario argento on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it even a question?
Maybe if you are talkinga bout future potential but right now it is Turk hands down.
actually
Rudy is better given Turk’s minutes.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
plus
The Blazers are trying to make the team better and all Rudy (accorrding to the article anyway) cares about is his time. I like players who are concerned about making the team better even if it means less shots for them.
Think that maybe he was talked into joining the team
with some promisese about a role or chances to prove himself.
He rejected offers 10x what he’s making with the Blazers. That’s sacrificing yourself for the team.
Watching the coach not using your potential and the GM sign a guy that’ll get your PT… that’s gotta hurt.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
Please...explain to me
how Rudy was playing behind players that were not as good as he? Because it doesn’t look that way to me. I SERIOUSLY doubt Rudy received assurances that he would start…..and he most certainly was given chances to prove himself, and he did. He played extremely well for a rookie….but he’s not a better point guard than Blake, and he’s not a better 2 guard than Roy. He’s just not big enough to play the 3 in the NBA.
Rudy did a great job of creating a role for himself on the Blazers….just like the other players did. No more, no less. Let’s not make this into a huge Rudy-got-screwed thing….because he didn;t. When he left Portland, he was very happy about how well his year went. He wrote so himself in his blog.
by antediluvian on Jul 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who said anything about starting?
I talked about a ROLE or CHANCES to prove himself. Please, try to read a little more carefully.
What I’m saying is that Rudy has many more resources, but he was used as a pure shooter by Nate.
Maybe my english is not as good as I thought, because every time I read the word “role” regarding Sergio or Rudy there’s someone jumping and turning it into “start”, and I thought there was a difference, but you’re making me doubt about my english.
I don’t think they said to him “Hey dude, we want a shooter that is willing to play for cheap and doesn’t mind to get buried in the bench if next season we bring some guy who’ll get your PT”, and that’s why I can perfectly understand Rudy if he’s pissed.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not even sure I should reply here
Rudy got a fair shake and was used well. What’s coming across in your posts is that you think Rudy’s much better than he is. He couldn’t do the things Roy does, he can’t create. His best assets were passing and shooting. When he tried to create off the dribble it usually ended in disasterously bad shots that would have got most rooks benched immediately.
Rudy’s a fantastic player, but it’s crazy pills to think he didn’t get a fair shake. To many of us, this just looks like amnesia.
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Well ok....
You didn’t explicitly state start, but when you talk about receiving assurances about his role (in most cases…that’s player ‘code speak’ for “you promised to make me a starter”)…and how the coach not using him to his potential……I’m just thinking you and I saw two different things this year.
Rudy was put in a position to succeed all year long by Nate. He was given consistent, major minutes, and often played when the game was on the line. He was given a great opportunity for a rookie, and he did well with it. Yet you sound like the coach and GM sabotaged him. And I just don’t see that. The only thing holding back Rudy was the players in front of him, and that’s where I’m making the statement that he was not better than those players and did not deserve to start, or even get more minutes.
Kevin Pritchard’s one and only job is to make the Blazers better….not keep Rudy happy. If bringing in another quality SF makes Rudy unhappy….sorry about that. The better player will get the most playing time. personally I hope that is Rudy. I really like watching him play…..but the team and coach are not holding him back.
You think Rudy is making a huge sacrifice….what about Roy. He should EASILY be the highest paid player on the roster, and he’s not even close. That’s by far a bigger sacrifice. I understand why Roy is not the highest paid player, but he COULD make a stink about it….but he never will.
I just hope Rudy doesn’t shy away from bigger and better competition….because that’s what will make the team (and Rudy) better. Again, I really like Rudy and hope he is a Blazer for a long, long time. But asking to be traded if a competitive player is brought in doesn;t make a person a better player. Quite often the opposite happens.
Of course I know he wasn't tied to the bench or anything
But he was rarely given the chance to do anything else than run without the ball trying to get good looks. And it’s ok, he was a rookie who did pretty well, but a rookie after all.
Now he’s not a rookie anymore, now it’s his time to step up and prove he can do more things, but if the team signs a guy that’ll make it much harder for him to have PT, and that guy also needs the ball on his hands and usually runs pick’n’rolls, which neutralizes Rudy’s current strengths as he won’t be able to run through the paint without interfering with the play…
If you take away his strengths and don’t give him the chance to show what else he can do… that’s being in a bad situation.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
Roy is still on his rookie contract
So I don’t see how he could “easily” be the highest paid player on the roster. He will be once he signs his extension and gets off his rookie deal, but I don’t think he even could be before then. Not a good analogy to the Rudy situation.
For what it’s worth, I can see Rudy being somewhat upset that he was used mostly as a catch and shoot option and that there was not a lot of movement on offense a lot of the time. I don’t see it as complaining about minutes, but about how he was used. However, getting 25 minutes as a rookie off the bench in any capacity, especially when the team’s best player plays the exact same position, is pretty good. And considering that the Blazers offense was the most efficient in the league last year, they must have been doing something right.
However, If the Rudy news is true, then this just has disaster written all over it. Rudy could easily force a trade; if he were to refuse to play, how much is he losing? Like $1.5 million? Not that that’s chump change, but considering what he could make in Europe or what he’ll make once he’s off his rookie deal, it’s not that much. And I’m sure he still has plenty saved from his ACB days. If KP is forced to sell low on him AND we’re stuck paying $9-10M/year to a 30-year-old player whose production has already started dropping (if last year was any indication), then I have to ask: When did KP bring in Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale as player personnel consultants?
Yes it is a good analogy.
Roy could easily be the highest paid player is he renegotiated his deal. And if ANYONE has earned that right, it would be Roy. That he has not asked for that, is yet another positive in his development as a player.
That other players, after only 1 year with the team (again….non-starting, and yes that DOES count), are grumbling about their role with the team (when they got BIG rookie minutes)….does sound a bit petulant.
by antediluvian on Jul 6, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
How is that not your question?
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Rudy is a different player.
He’s played professionally for years. Bayless only has a year of college ball under him and has no proof that he can demand PT.
Nobody should be demanding playing time
You don’t earn the right to bitch and moan.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Rudy is complaining, he is doing it in private
If you listen to what Rudy is saying, he seems relatively happy with how things are going in Portland. He hasn’t been complaining or threatening to leave and go back to Europe, on the contrary he has repeatedly said that it is his dream to play in the NBA and he seems very committed to continuing to play there.
All this noise we are hearing now is coming from some “anonymous source” and not from Rudy himself. We have no idea who this anonymous source is or what ulterior motives he might have to spread around rumors about Rudy being unhappy. You probably shouldn’t take this seriously unless there is a more credible source for it.
deal Claver's rights, as well
no use waiting 2-3 years for him then have him start compaining the minute he gets here
Seriously, if this is true about Rudy, let's drop all Spanish players from our team from here on out
I seriously think something’s been lost in translation though
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Even if Rudy didn't care
or supported Hedo coming. It would chop into his minutes. I don’t like that one bit. Rudy is one guy who need MORE minutes next season. I really don’t want to see him traded or benched. Plus I named my cat after him.
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I love cats
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given the choice between Rudy and Turkey-glue straight up
I’d take Rudy. If for no other reason than he’s a lot younger, and I think will be awesome.
BUT.
If it’s Rudy and, say, Trout vs Turkey-Glue and, say, Devin Harris…. that makes things far more interesting.
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Can we just add Devin Harris to this mix because I didn’t wait 2 years of FA speculation to end up with HE-DONT
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by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Devin Harris has nothing to do with anything
New Jersey has Courtney Lee and just drafted Terrence Williams. They have zero need for Rudy.
Rudy > either of those two
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They have 3 players locked onto their team for next year
2 of them are shooting guards. It just doesn’t make sense.
JUST RUMORS! GOSSIP! RUMORS!
Rudy is under contract wit the Blazers… He has to honor that contract. He is locked in for the next three years.
These rumors have no teeth to them. I am curious who fabricated this crap.
by david1978pdx on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Lots of Spanish newspapers seem
to report rumors like this regularly.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
They are almost as bad as the french papers and their cycling doping allegations...
….though come to think of it….most of those turned out to be true ;)
Rubio isnt under contract yet
He’s been drafted, but not signed a contract
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He is
His contract with DKV Joventut.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm talking about his buyout-contract
which he has NO intentions on paying. Even though he totally should.
He has no choice
unless it is waived, he can’t just show up at the NBA and play without a buyout.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if we are agreeing or not? lol
My point is that Rubio seems to be a little selfish jerk. He OK’d his buyout with his former team and now he’s trying to make them drop it… so they’d basically be getting nothing for him leaving. Then he won’t play or even workout for certain teams… Gimme a break.
He’s going to be a Millionaire… so um yeah. Setup a payment plan that you can afford and stop trying to screw people. Or just go back to Spain and play there for a couple more years.
It's business.
The team would do what’s in their best interests too. Nobody will take care of Ricky unless he does. And apparently, he was very open to teams before the draft, so there’s no surprises here.
Ricky Rubio's parents and agent signed any agreements made.
Until recently Ricky was too young to legally sign for himself. Might as well blame him for adolescence. It seems his handlers are culpable if anyone is. It amazes me that people are so quick to jump on Rudy, like a pack of hyenas or ravening wolves, based on some nebulous report that doesn’t seem to have a credible source as far as I can find. Why are people so ready to pull a player limb from limb at the first sign of perceived weakness? We don’t even know if these are Rudy’s sentiments.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
You said he totally should
You’re asking a guy that made under $100,000 dollars last year pay a $6 million dollar buyout. Does that sound like something you’d want to do?
lol
he can afford it. It’s not like he’s going to be making 20k a year over here. I’m asking a guy who gets paid WAY WAY WAY more than 90% of the world to act like a decent human being and do what he says he’s going to. Don’t agree to a contract just to back out of it when it inconveniences you.
dude
Rubio is not rich. He doesnt have 6 million dollars. He would have to take out a loan and basically play for free for a year or two. If he doesn’t want to play in Minnesota, why should he pay 6 million out of his pocket just to do so?
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He would have to take out a loan and basically play for free for a year or two.
And even if he gets a Shaun Livingston type injury, he’s still on the hook for the money, with no income.
I doubt he could get a loan without a substantial personal injury insurance policy.
Banks aren’t that dumb… well maybe some are. Most the players in teh NBA are insured.
His 2 season guaranteed salary is much less than 6M$ after taxes
If he gets a carreer-ending injury he’d be with some 1.5-2M$ debt and no carreer
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
Actually much worse than that.
Not sure if you know what income taxes in america is like, but making around 3 to 3.5 per year (what he’d probably get with the rookie scale at the #5 pick), after federal, state, and payroll taxes, he’s probably netting around 3 mill total over the two years.
After expenses (including relocation and so forth), it wouldn’t be surprising to see him $4 to 5 million in debt.
What a selfish bastard, refusing to go $4 million in debt to play for a dysfunctional and unprofessional club like the Wolves.
by howlingfantods on Jul 1, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has to pay
Or do you have some idea of how he plans to circumvent the rules? Screw the spanish IRS? Yeah, good luck with that…
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy's got a point
he was severely underutiitzed last year. I was looking forward to seeing him given the opportunity to put his creative skills to use this year in pick and rolls. But if Hedo comes in, that’s not gonna happen, and Rudy, even if he’s getting 30 minutes a game (which is still quite plausible as Hedo could play half his minutes at the 4 spot), will essentially be used as a spot up 3 point shooter all year. Honestly, I don’t blame him for not wanting that. The guy has much more game than that.
This adds fuel to the line of thinking that moving Rudy, Outlaw and one of our PGs for a better PG is the way to go – maybe KP already has deals in the works?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Nah...he was still learning the game.
I think he was used just about right for a rookie transitioning into a different style of play. Next year with Turkoglu and Webster around, though, he would likely have a legit complaint. Especially since he should be getting more minutes than he did last year.
Maybe Dwight was right
and Rudy is best traded.
He is already among the top fifteen SGs in the NBA; and has potential to be an All-Star.
Unfortunately, he competes with a certain 2nd-team All NBA player for the job.
Rudy + cap filler (Trout?) to NJ for Devin Harris makes a lot of sense—even if we don’t sign turkey-glue.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
New Jersey has no need for Rudy
they already have Courtney Lee and just drafted Terrence Williams. Both of whom are SG’s.
Terrence Williams will play small forward with the New Jersey Nets, although Courtney Lee ...
and Chris Douglas-Roberts should take up most of the shooting guard minutes on that team this season.
And Rudy
is an upgrade over either of those guys at the SG spot, and a MAJOR one over CDR. “We’re all set at the 2-guard spot with Lee and CDR, so thanks but no thanks, KP!” is not likely to come out of Thorn’s mouth.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
a team with 4 players signed for 2010
and 3 of them being SG’s doesn’t translate into a team that will want Rudy. Lee is a promising young player as is Terrence Williams who they drafted at #11 this year. If they’d want anything from us it’d be Bayless or Batum.
Barring any big trades, Terrence Williams will start at small forward for the New ...
Jersey Nets next season. As it stands, Courtney Lee and Chris Douglas-Roberts look to take up all the minutes at shooting guard. Small forward, however, was manned by a trio of junk last season (i.e., Bobby Simmons, Jarvis Hayes, and Trenton Hassell), so look for Williams to push them all to the backburner.
Small forward, however, was manned by a trio of junk last season
Sounds like an opportunity for a guy named…Travis Outlaw
Nate's Main Weakness
I believe Nate’s main weakness is he does not utilizes the talents he has. It happened with Sergio and it is happening with Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez.
Would popovich be screwing rudy over like this ? or phil jackson?
I don’t think so. Nate is an Idiot when it comes to offense .
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
only idiots can get you one of the most effecient offenses in the league
Seriously, man, think about that. You just called a guy an idiot that coaches one of the very best offenses in the league. Something just doesn’t add up. Nate’s got numbers to back him up, and you’ve just got you calling him an idiot.
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I usually agree with you regarding the offense, but I completely disagree with the notion Rudy was misused
Rudy was not a good pick and roll or isolation player. Nate catered to Rudy’s strengths, which is off the ball movement and 3-point shooting. Rudy got more baseline picks last year than Webster has gotten his entire career.
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by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you on the isolation part
as far as being a good pick and roll player, we just don’t know. I watched our whole season, we almost never let rudy run a pick and role. it happened so infrequently that we can’t possibly know one way or another wheterh he would have been good at it or not.
What I do know is that Rudy has great court vision and excellent passing ability, but we almost never put him in position to use those skills.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I saw enough pick and roll opportunites with Rudy to see he wasn't effective.
Rudy just doesn’t have the pull up jumper or finishing ability to be effective. His passing is overblown, he made plenty of dumb passes all year long resulting in turnovers.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
His passing is fun, and full of potential, but .....
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huh? We saw Rudy run quite a few pick and rolls, but they ended with the PF popping most of the time.
We need some bigs who can roll to the basket
I think Rudy could end up being a pretty good pick-and-roll player. However, the pick-and-pop is run better by penetrating guards like Roy.
He's so bad on isolations
that in the Olympics (when he had the chance) was hitting threes off the dribble in front of some guys named Bryant and Prince, maybe you’ve heard that names before, they’re supposed to be elite defenders.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
I saw plenty of clanking when Rudy was isolated last year
He missed just about every shot he took off the dribble.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
It's because
rarely was Bryant or Prince guarding him. If they were, hot fiyah!
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
despite that
he is not so good off the dribble as he cant or doesent square himself first
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Do you think Rudy is good in isolation situations?
I watched a lot of Joventut games the year before he came to the Blazers, and even to my amateur eye it seemed obvious that he would struggle creating his own shot off the dribble in the NBA. Even against ACB defenders Rudy needed a screen most of the time to shake loose. Would you disagree with that assessment?
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Against ACB defenders with handchecking allowed yes
and even there he had some moves that were pretty efficient, like that step back three, but besides that move, with a pick he can really hurt defenses and allow his teammates to run off unbalanced defenders.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
I love Rudy, but he didn't defend last year and his offensive game was unpolished.
He got the amount of PT he pretty much deserved
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was a 1st round pick
1st round picks have specific salary structure so teams don’t get screwed over paying for players like Shawn Bradley who suck as rookies. We didn’t low ball him, this is the price of being an NBA 1st round pick. You have to play for 4 years before you hit your payday
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I'm really worried that KP has lost his touch
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Me too
But, he still has time to come around.. he knows 100X more than any of us do… we just have to wait and see
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
starting to get there
if our offseason consists of adding Hedo, not improving the PG spot, logjamming our SF position, and torking off one of our favorite and most promising players, than I’m going to be carrying the torch and pitchforks myself.
But for now I’ll give KP the benefit of the doubt that KP has a 2nd move lined up that solves many of these problems.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Because Rudy is reportedly acting like a baby not happy with the way Nate used him?
First of all, that would be a problem with the coach and not the GM. Second, who cares what Rudy wants? He’s not the coach and he doesn’t have any say in roster decisions. If he doesn’t like it he can get back on a boat and go back to Spain. That’s not how it works in the NBA.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
because going after Hedo makes no sense anyway
and pissing off Rudy just makes it worse. I’m also still smarting from taking Dante Cunningham over Blair in the draft.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Even if upper management squashed drafting DeJuan Blair 'cause of injury concerns, Dante ...
Cunningham was still an imbecilic selection. Drafting Nick Calathes at #33 and stashing him over in Greece would’ve been my decision, with Ahmad Nivins then being selected at #55 instead of an undersized waterbug like Patty Mills.
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Wow.....are we still upset over a mid second round selection....time to let it go
It’s getting really hard to see to the forest through the trees right now
by ppilot on Jul 1, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what happens if a player flat refuses to play
what happens then?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
What do you mean?
Then he’s an idiot and I don’t want him on this team anyway.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am just saying
what happens if Rudy just sits out?
I have heard of teams sending players away, but never a player refusing to play over a long course of time.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Marbury did not sit out, the Knicks told him to stay away from the team
There’s a difference.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He refused to play.
I specifically remember them asking him to go into a game and he refused. He wasn’t getting playing time and he wouldn’t play as some sort of protest.
After that they told him to stay away from the team. That’s the way I remember it anyway.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Nick Van is totally right, atleast that is the way I remember it as well.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
Just looked it up, you're right
I thought it was more of a Tim Thomas situation where the coach instantly hated the guy and told him to go home.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
he was told to
he did not do it voluntairly
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
No one of us knows what Nate and KP told him to convince him
He passed on a contract that would have translated into more than Turkoglu is asking for.
He passed on that deal to join the Blazers after meeting Nate and KP.
They talked.
None of us know what they talked about.
He joined this team for 1/10 of what he could make in Europe.
If they aren’t fair to him (I’m not sure if the word that starts with scr and ends with a w is allowed on BE) I don’t think Claver is coming, and Rudy would have every reason to hate this franchise.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
So you think Nate and KP swindled him into coming over
Just so they could screw him out of playing time, while laughing maniacally from their sweet, thinking, Gotcha!
If the report is true, this falls squarely on Rudy’s shoulders. He’s being a baby.
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Nate has been asking for vets for a long time and probably didn´t really want to get Rudy for his team, untill he saw him playing in the Olympics. Coaches want instant success.
KP said he was trying to take Nate to Spain to talk with Rudy when he tried to convince him to go to the NBA, but Nate chose not to go to Spain. He talked with Rudy by videoconference instead. He even put in danger KP´s work saying that Rudy would be treated as any other player if he comes, forcing Paul Allen himself to go visit Rudy in Spain. That year Rudy was the best player in Europe and now in the NBA he´s earning less money than Sergio or Bayless.
Now Nate has his wishes. He will have his vets and his Bayless. Now he´s the first to visit Turkoglu in his hometown. Do you think Rudy is upset? You can bet he´s more likely furious.
It´s not that Nate or Rudy are good or bad, they just don´t fit by now. Hope they find a way before they have to take Sergio´s route.
I hope you'll keep us updated as to what is really going on in Spain, Amlmart.
A day ago Casey Holdahl was reporting how much Rudy loves playing in Portland and today Rudy’s supposedly quoted as saying he’s been misused.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I haven't been here a lot lately. I know fanfaraway is Spanish also.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Yep
but I’m quite pissed right now about all this Rudy – Hedo stuff
I won’t read spanish sport papers for a while or I’ll really get angry
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
well, rest a bit
and then come back to it, because we rely on (all of) you. Thanks for all you do. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
Keep it cool or cold or whatever ;)
I understand all sides of the story.
It makes me sad that this incredibly talented young lovely team can´t grow together and win together because there´s a sense of urgency this season, the last oportunity to take a look at FA, giving Nate a chance to test his basketball theories in the last year of his contract. He has done great. He could improve his communication skills though.
The NBA and most teams have made clear this is a bussiness, so there everyone goes, and the playes´agents like it.
Rudy could fit in Portland or maybe not. And it wouldn´t be anyones´ fault. The business way to break the deal wouldn´t be exactly what the fans like to listen about.
by amlmart1 on Jul 1, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I really love having you here and respect what you think
But, if this is being reported accurately, Rudy’s not justified in any way, shape, or form. Frye showed integrity in how he dealt with his situation, Sergio showed very little. It appears that Rudy’s not either.
The way Spaniards are dealing with NBA teams just makes them come off like prima donnas. They could learn something from Frye, a good man.
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Good post
Unfortunately, whether or not this particular story is true, this could be the future of many of the young guys the Blazers have right now. Roster consolidation has been a topic for a while largely for this reason, there simply aren’t enough minutes over the course of a season, barring major injuries, to give all these guys adequate time. This could be the off-season where we start to see packages of our good players moving for stars, an easy proposition a few years back, not so much now since this is a pretty likable group.
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
Give me a break man
Seriously, step outside the Spanish lens for a while. If Rudy’s whining and this is what we can expect from Spaniard, please keep Claver as well.
For my part, I hope Rudy doesn’t see it this way. If he does, good riddance to all Spanish players and their teary eyes.
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He's seeing himself like he's being Sergio'd
Nate just uses a few of his abilities and he sees too many players for little time and too many ballhandlers for just one ball.
Rudy’s purpose of coming to the NBA was about improving and looking for a higher ceiling, but if he’s used as a 3pt specialist and sees his playing time decrease… It’s normal if he feels stupid for leaving the big money and star status in Europe.
NCAA players feel like it’s christmas if they are drafted, European players prefer to go in the second round or undrafted for a reason… at least they can talk about salaries, it’s not the same feeling if you’re getting similar money than getting 1/10 and ending up in a bad situation.
Now imagine the owner of a business offers you a job earning 1/10 of your salary but offering a better place to work and the chance to renegotiate your contract after 4 years.
Yeah, it doesn’t sound good at all, but if after that you find the environment is much worse than you predicted, and then they hire another guy to do your job and you’re stuck there… that’s gotta hurt.
Playing basketball is Rudy’s job
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
Oh god. Nothing has happend yet. Calm down.
How has he lost his touch?
it's funny you should say that
I was thinking that right now the Blazer’s roster requires a light touch, like that of a watchmaker or a master painter
but KP has the touch of a blacksmith, or maybe he applies paint to his artwork one gallon at a time?
If Rudy is actually pissed about Hedo
What is he feeling with the logjam at small forward moving into 2009-2010? He’s got Batum, Trout and Marty at the 3 already. Granted, one of those three may be moving on / traded, but nothing has come up yet.
Adding Hedo would only compound the issue.
He hasn't signed yet...
Hedo is not yet a Blazer and we don’t know the terms of the deal. I’m going to wait patiently until everything is settled before making judgments. But I will say that if Hedo costs us Rudy I will be unhappy…
The Chicken Little Mentality is in full effect here at the Edge today.
Really? After what Kevin Pritchard has done for this franchise and how his past moves have shown to be spot on, this many of you are ready to throw him under the bus after one offseason where you disagree with moves that haven’t even been made yet????
1. You do not know everything that is going on behind the scenes here. Without that knowledge, any conclusions made cannot be fully realized.
2. This is not all confirmed information that is coming out. We still have agents and other interested parties trying to position their clients for the best possible deals.
3. 54 wins last year.
4. Roy, Aldridge and Oden are going NOWHERE. The core of this team will remain intact regardless.
If Rudy really is this upset about just asking around about a guy that wouldn’t even take that many minutes away from him in the first place, then maybe it is best that he not stick around.
There’s still a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go before the next season starts and lots of things can happen between now and then. Freaking out about one possible FA addition and one possibly grumpy current player at this stage will only cause undue stress.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
well put, nothing is set in stone
+1
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You sir can take your reason and rationality
and stuff it in a sack! It’s obvious that we are going the sign Hedo and Rudy will refuse to play. With Rudy’s refusal, good pal LMA will refuse a contract extension. Roy will follow LMA and they will both be wearing purple and gold by 2010.
KP has been killed and replaced by a robot built by Isaiah Thomas. It’s sooooooo obvious.
Hello Dum Dum
by ryryslyry on Jul 1, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's pro sports, for ya
the 3 year “love affair” between Blazer fans and their GM may be close to an all-time record
Rudy just slipped down in my book
I can’t stand players that complain publicly about stuff like this. Step your game up Rudy and you wont have this problem.
Are you kidding me!?
Rudy is a star and nate turned him into Peja ! Id be pissed too!
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant star in spain. But i stand by my statement yeah.
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy was a rook, a good one, but still just a rook
he’s not a star here. He’s not close. He brings things to the table, but he’s got a TON to learn. Rudy’s best assets are offensive. Nate had one of the best offenses in the world. If Nate’s not using him, that says more about Rudy than it does about Nate.
Being a start in Spain does not entitle you to anything in the NBA. This is where the best play.
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The only reason our offense is so good is beacause we have such good players.
Nates offensive sheme is so weak. He just runs isos.
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Reserve judgment on this one
We can’t be sure he did. If it’s true, I’m sooooooo with you.
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Because Hedo is better now
Sure Rudy may have a higher ceiling but he may also leave the Blazers right as that is being realized. It is nice to be loyal to your players but they don’t always return that loyalty.
I disagree
Completely. Hedo is not better than Rudy now, he just gets more minutes, and has had a clearly defined role. Rudy ca/should be a superstar in this league. Which is why we wont be able to keep him. He will want to go to a team where he can start.
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Turkey is better than Rudy right now
Of course, Rudy has a higher ceiling and is loved by the local fans. But right now, Hedo’s on top.
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Turkey is not better than Rudy right now, he just isn't.
When Rudy shoots, the ball actually goes in.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
they are both offensive oriented players
so PER is a pretty good measure of their respective abilities and Rudy actually has a higher PER than Turkoglu, not by a lot, but it is higher. Add to that that he is 6+ years younger and just completed his rookie season and you might imagine why Rudy is a better prospect, and possibly a better player now and in the short term.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
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(Bryan Colangelo)
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
I would think some outside source is poisoning the well re: Rudy and Portland
If I hadn’t read heymoe’s post yesterday in the “Shaq trade” fanshot, in which he said a “long-time” Blazer exec told him that Rudy complained about how he was being utilized before the trading deadline and wouldn’t mind being traded
where there’s smoke, there’s fire
Rudy does not fit with the Nate/Roy style....
I’ve been saying this for months. Creative players are not going to fit in Portland. At least not those who want to be creative with the pass.
So, as long as that poor fit is there, there is a basis for unhappiness. The immediate cause of the complaint is not so important.
ironically enough,
i think the style of play with Hedo will favor Rudy. Although the minutes might not…
I do not believe Rudy is unhappy in Portland
He is getting minutes playing for a playoff team.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
it must have been a little frustrating
for him so used to playing a flowing, dynamic style of basketball to be running circles around the court just trying to get an open 3 pt. look.
Well he did set a record in his first season (most 3's by a rookie)
He knows he is adored by the city. As far as I’m concerned, as long as he isn’t clamoring for the starting 2 spot I don’t mind what he demands. But if it comes down to choosing between him and Roy, I would definitely say bye bye Rudy.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Demands like that will make his teammates dislike him.
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Oh Lord.....
and so it starts…. there isn’t enough minutes for everyone and they are going to have to cut someone’s minutes….. so the whining will start now….
Kelly Dwyer weighs in on the Hedo to Portland idea:
Link.
It just boggles the mind that people who are paid to be patient, dealers who can only deal under strict guidelines, limited to trade deadlines, given only a finite amount of roster spots and cap space, dissuaded by a profit-killing luxury tax, still jump at the bit to reel in someone because he’s famous, and because they have money to burn.
Kills me.
Portland, Hedo Turkoglu is 30. He’s a fine player, but an average one, especially after you factor defense in. Please act accordingly.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
There's a reason that Kelly Dwyer is a national columnist and Jason Quick is, well, a local yokel.
It helps that Dwyer is one of the few men sharp enough to publically criticize LaMarcus Aldridge, so we’re on the same page there..
Kelly Dwyer is a blogger...
that writes for the Ball don’t Lie Blog, not a columnist. Jason Quick writes for the states leading newspaper where he is actually acountable for what he writes.
c;mon man
Behind the Locker Room? That was an excellent series, and his writing is almost always spot on.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
"Accountable for what he writes"
You mean the guy who blasted Oden during the regular season for being unhappy?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He writes about the league, Yahoo hired him to do so
What is the difference between him and Bill Simmons?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the one key difference is Kelly Dwyer isn't a nimrod like Bill Simmons.
All kidding aside, though, Dwyer is definitely one of the better basketball columnists out there.
I love Dwyer
But writing a blog on Yahoo, which many times is just a bunch of links to others work is different than being a national columnist.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Kelly Dwyer keeps Ball Don't Lie afloat.
The man is spot on and a much better observer of basketball than most national collumnists. You can call him a blogger, a writer or a word mechanic, I couldn’t care less, he deserves a good title.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
REC'D
Lets face it, Hedo is about as good as Kathy Griffin is attractive. I guess in the right light, and the right amount of libation, there is nothing wrong with hooking up with her. However, put her in a room with other younger actresses and she’ll go home alone to pet her cats. Does that analogy work? I thinks so…..
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by SuperDave on Jul 1, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with Kathy Griffin as Beer-Goggle necessary
Disagree that there is ANY amount of liquor that would make Hedo not look like he’s melting.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
well,
that’s the problem with a one sport major city.
John Canzano must be licking his chops to lead the mob brandishing pitchforks at KP.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
I love Rudy
but with Roy as the SG of the future and Batum as the SF of the future, where does he fit? Hedo is a perfect 3 year stopgap while Batum grows……Rudy is great, and he knows it, but on this team, he has no place. I would love to see Rudy Outlaw and Blake to NJ for Devon Harris….that combined with the Hedo signing would be great for our chances for next couple of years, and as Batum grows into his role, we are set for the future as well.
dude,
Rudy+outlaw+blake doesn’t get you Devin Harris, unless NJ agrees from their side. It takes two to tango.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
bayless instead of blake, and throw in some draft picks
it’s got to at least be attempted
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Leaving you with
Harris/Roy/Turk/LMA/Oden Blake/Martell/Batum/?/Pryz I’m down with that lineup provided that Martell is okay long-term. Short-term you could get away with playing a Blake/Harris/Roy three-guard lineup.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps not
but I don’t think a team that’s eyeballing 2010 with a shoestring budget would turn down a player of Rudy’s ability on his minuscule rookie-scale contract. If they’re trying to shed salary by trading Harris (a big if, I admit) then I think they’d look really hard at a Bayless/Rudy/Travis package just in terms of how cheap that talent is, even if it doesn’t fit a specific need.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless/Rudy/Travis package
make that a Blake/Rudy/Travis package, Bayless’ contract isn’t expiring next July, like Blake/Outlaw
he could help them sell tickets
and one of their guards could be coming back to Portland as part of the deal?
not enough $ with Jerryd instead of Steve in that deal
plus the expiring contracts of Blake and Outlaw would be “more welcome” in Jersey, along with Rudy who could help them sell tickets while waiting for the 2010 FAs to arrive
actually there is enough money
Outlaw 3.6
Bayless 2.14
Rudy 1.16
TOTAL: 6.9 million x 1.25 = 8.625
Harris makes 8.4, so deal would work
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
hmm, good stuff
I could still see NJ wanting Blake more, because of his 4 mil coming off their books next July. (Bayless’ contract has a few more years left to run, even though it’s relatively affordable)
and you’d think that their coach would like a PG in return for Harris, and not have to rely on Alston/Bayless
Rudy would be the real prize, though. Young, low $ contract, sexy…you could “sell” him to the Net’s fans
the only way ill overlook the pissed rudy thing is if we do package
rudy outlaw and whatever for devin harris but still this sucks….
by HurricaneDayne on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
rudy might just save us from a collosal mistake
yet another reason I like him
The new GM of the Detroit Pistons
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 14 recs
Somebody has to go anyway
…even sans Turkoglu. With him your backup minutes have to be divided between Webster, Batum and Fernandez at 2/3. I really don’t understand this unless the Miller rumors are also true (hoping false) and one of them is going with Blake to Philly. Let’s say it’s Outlaw; you’re still then splitting minutes at 2, 3 and 4 between
Roy/Rudy/Bayless/Webster
Turkoglu/Batum/Webster/Rudy
Aldridge/Turkoglu
What a mess. If Turkoglu signs, then I’m expecting 2 trades: 1 for a PG sending Blake and X SF and 1 for…another PF? for X SF, and none of it really makes sense yet.
PWN3D
Why I Hate Realgm.com
Rudy Fuming Over Portland’s Pursuit Of Turkoglu is the headline for the article. Rudy is not “fuming,” even according to the article. realgm.com, count on them to blow things out of proportion.
Ok I have to vent
First I thought Pritchard was better than this. I think signing Turkoglu would be a big big mistake as Dave put it so nicely in his reasons not to sign portion of the Turkoglu assesment. I think it makes this team better in the long run but they’ll end up regretting it in the long term. I’m a strong believer in sometimes doing nothing is the best option. Now I’ll be very very happy if I’m wrong and Pritchard turns out to be right and Turk works out. But I’m very very worried. And then this about Rudy just amplifies my concern and makes me angry and it again makes me wonder if Nate’s offensive system simply sucks. If this article is true I can’t help but feel that Rudy had a point, why doesn’t he do more in the offense? If we lose Rudy in the process I just can’t even think about how I’ll feel about this whole Turkoglu thing.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions
what does that mean,
if the article isn’t true then Rudy doesn’t have a point, and he shouldn’t do more in the offense? Seems like these are unrelated things.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Turkoglu is a mistake anyway.
Batum is just fine at the Three, in my opinion. He fits the system. He spaces, he plays defense, and he’s only improving.
On the contrary, Turkoglu is 30 years old, has terrible percentages (41 FG%, 35 3pt%), and needs the ball in his hands.
I’m going out on a limb, and not that either player is available, but I would love to get Devin Harris and/or Courtney Lee for some combination of Rudy, Outlaw, and/or Blake.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
He spaces? No he doesn't. You need to have offensive ability to effectively space the floor. Nobody respects
Nic’s offensive game. He’s the future, but he was irrelevant in the postseason. You guys all seem to just want to stand pat. I recommend popping in the games vs Houston where we didn’t have a player outside of Roy and LA who looked even remotely capable of scoring the postseason
Nic was a rookie
He’s like 21 years old. He will develop a 3 point shot. It’s not like he shot terribly last season anyway. Houston was a terrible matchup for him and rest of the team.
I would love to get Devin Harris and/or Courtney Lee for some combination of Rudy, Outlaw, and/or Blake.
Salaries match for Rudy, Outlaw, and Blake = Harris. To get CLee you’d have to add Bayless to the mix
or, maybe not
if you add the 25% + 100k to the Blazer’s ledger, you could probably afford Harris (and CLee’s 1,264,440) for Rudy/Blake/Outlaw
I've never been so close to cursing on this website.
I was already so mad that we were pursuing Hedo and now this just tops the cake.
I . DO. NOT. WANT. HEDO. PLAYING. HERE.
I think if we go through with this trade we are destroying our team and I feel it’s all stemming from Nate. I couldn’t imagine myself being excited for a team with him on the roster next year and my level of involvement/interest would drop dramatically.
by dpnim on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
wait about 15 games into the season
before you jump off the bandwagon. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
What about a PF!!
This is a GREATER NEED!
Is Brandon Bass unavailable now or something??
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 1, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
If KP signs Hedo...
…it’s going to be a very interesting fan reaction this fall when the games start.
I'll live with it if it happens.
But I don’t want it to happen. Not in the least bit.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
Is now a good time to ask...
If Blazers would be amenable to a Flynn/Fernandez swap?
I think Flynn is garbage
And even if he isn’t he’s young and inexperienced. Certainly not better than Rudy.
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Yeah, Jonny Flynn is the college version of Hedo Turkoglu regarding hype.
Before Flynn’s splash in the Big East Tournament last season, he was properly treated like an above average player rather than some budding superstar.
I’m somewhat disappointed that David Kahn didn’t draft both Flynn and Stephen Curry, since he’d’ve then picked the two most overhyped, bustworthy players in the 2009 NBA Draft.
curry was overhyped, yes.
but he won’t be a bust. There is always a place for undersized, sharpshooting 2-guards in the NBA. And it just so happens that he was drafted by that team.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
flynn isn't nearly as bad as these jokers suggest
I think Flynn will be successful in the NBA. The Blazers don’t want him, though, because they are already grooming a young point guard.
Rubio would be a different story. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
I knew nothing good could come from this...
If this is true then,“this is a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into…isn’t it”. Make things right with Rudy and RUN…DON"T walk… away from TURKEY…
I love Rudy but I voted for both.
I mean, only because Turkey is better right now. And they don’t play the same position so I don’t see why they couldn’t exist together on the same team. Ugh.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
Turkey is not better than Rudy right now.
When Rudy shoots, the ball actually goes in. With Turkey, not so much.
Turkey has .356 Three Point Percentage
Compared to Rudy’s .399
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Turk...
has shot over 40% for 3 of the last 6 years and he’s never shot under 36% since his rookie year.
A Turkaglu 3 pointer is not the same as a Rudy 3 pointer. He can create offense out of thin air by pulling up off the dribble. Rudy can’t do that and at 24 he probably won’t ever develop those skills.
Rudy is assisted on 80% of his jumpshots
Turkoglu is assisted on 47% of his jumpshots.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
Turk had three season above 16. Rudy’s PER was 15.4.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
my mistake, sorry
Rudy’s rookie PER was still better than 2 of Turk’s last 3 years, with his career year in ‘07-’08 (which he’s unlikely to ever match) the exception.
I don't get it.
Hedu had a PER of 17.8 the season before last. Why wouldn’t he be able to match that again? He did that when he was 29, now he’s 30. It just happened, it’s not like it was eons ago.
Frye had a really good PER his rookie year and it declined ever since. There is no guarantee Rudy’s PER will continue to climb. Especially considering he’s can’t create of the dribble and is 24 years old.
I do NOT want Turkoglu!!!!!! I never did. I never said I did.
I’m just trying to be reasonable when evaluating his play. I think he’s a better defender than Rudy. He has a much, much, much better skill set. He creates off the dribble. He can actually run an offense and is probably the second best pick and roll SF in the game. He’s at least as good of a passer even if he’s not as flashy. Historically he’s been a better 3 point shooter, especially when you look at the assisted numbers.
Certainly he would make the team better. His age is a huge concern for me. His contract is a bigger one. I wish he was a better defender although it’s still a net gain over Outlaw, Rudy, or Roy at SF.
Not my favorite choice, but I would be fine with it, especially since it would mean another trade is coming. The Andre Miller rumors were just shot down by KP, so hopefully it would be a PG who’s a better fit.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hedo's 17.8 PER looks to me like a "career year"
ie a good player having a great year. Its so out of touch with his career trajectory that I have a hard time seeing him repeating it.
He's averaged a PER of 16 for the last five years.
That puts him about 15th among starting small forwards.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
wooo!!
a 30 year old who has been an average starter the last 5 years and is likely to be worse than that going forward!!
Perfect signing!!
Do you really expect
every signing to be an all star level player? If the Blazers sign him he will be the third option on offence, not a bad third option if you ask me. Also as time goes by and if Oden developes his offensive game, he may become the fourth option. Again, not a bad fourth option. He may be overpaid slightly but in order to get free agents you will always have to overpay. I would be content if Portland doesn’t sign him but I really think he makes the team better if he signs.
PS. The Blazers had a horrible time executing the pick-and-roll last year, Hedo is a master at the pick-and-roll.
This is not about Roy as much as about Oden and LMA
Roy is not going to be making plays for 48 minutes. Hedo would probably be taking the ball from LMA and Blake. LMA is a even more inefficient player than Hedo. Blake just doesn’t create opportunities for others.
I think Hedo will help the development of Oden and LMA. Also taking the pressure off Roy.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Its debatable as to whether Hedo is more effecient than LMA
TS% and WP48 would say yes, PER and Offensive Rating would say no (largely because of LMA’s very low turnover rate, I would imagine)… and as folks know, I’m hardly LMA’s biggest fan.
Hedo will be more efficient
Due to his strength of drawing fouls, passing to big men, and breaking the defense off the pick and roll.
I just think a guy like Hedo will make LMA and Oden better players. Perhaps even Roy, since there will be another scorer on the floor who can penetrate.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
if Hedo can feed the big men
while they’re rumbling towards the hoop, the Blazer’s offense will be putting the opponents into some serious foul trouble
this is the same thing that could be said re: adding a new better-penetrating PG, like Ramon Sessions, etc
Hedo is not the terrible player you make him out to be
Roy Blazers need another perimeter playmaker. It takes the pressure off Roy, but also off LMA to create shots for others. Hedo will make the Blazers a better team. Defensively, Oden and LMA need to mature and the Blazers now can afford Bayless playing PG since Hedo can handle the offense too.
Hinirch had his career year 2 seasons ago, yet you seem to believe he will get back to that level. I don’t see much difference why you don’t think Hedo could get back to higher level of play. Being 30 years old is not a issue.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Never called Hedo terrible
He’s average. The Blazers appear to be treating him as much better than average.
The difference between Hinrich and Turkoglu is twofold: 1) defense and 2) Hinrich showed indications of returning to his previous level towards the end of the regular season and in the playoffs. Also, I believe that Hinrich’s regression had a lot to do with the coaching situation and Derrick Rose.
That's pretty close to what Rudy put up in his rookie season
Rudy at 24 was better (15.4 PER) than Hedo at 30 (14.8). This isn’t going to get better for Hedo.
Only if you are looking at PER.
Which of course doesn’t tell you the whole story about either guy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
when you break it down piece by piece
Hedo gets his by using lots of possessions. That’s not what you want next to Roy. Rudy gets his by finishing Roy’s possessions and making them much more efficient.
That is what you want next to Roy.
You need someone else who can create. Roy got mobbed in the Houston series and there was nothing we could do about it.
Only having one guy who can create off the dribble is a bad idea, especially in a seven game series. Cleveland has struggled with this for a few years now.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nick Van Excellent and I seem to agree on the benefits of Hedo
I’m not completely sold on him, but I can see what it would work.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I'm not sold on him either.
But he would solve a few problems.
I would be very disappointed however, if the Blazers only move was to acquire Hedo. They also need to address defense and he doesn’t help much in that regard.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the defensive improvement has to come internally
Roy, LMA, and Oden are the guys who need to step up. We seem to hoping an outside player can automatically step in and make our defense stout. No matter who gets added to the team, those guys ( Nate too) have to improve.
Hedo may not be a defensive stopper, but his length and size, will definitely be a factor. A 6’10, 6’11, and 7’0 frontcourt is nothing to scoff at.
If Hedo does sign, I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop on a defensive PG.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
On defense...
he’s certainly a net gain over Outlaw and Rudy. ( Assuming one of them would be traded)
People seem to hate him, but he runs the pick and roll better than anyone currently on the Blazer. Not to mention that you suddenly you have a SF/PF who can pass the ball as well or better than anyone on the team.
It would help Oden a lot. It would also free Bayless to play extended minutes with Hedu handling the ball while Roy is on the bench. We haven’t had a small forward who was a play maker since… Scottie Pippen?
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
A Hedo signing alleviates my big concern with Bayless
I don’t see him capable of running a team. If Bayless improves his shot next year, I’ll be very excited about the team. He has the speed and athleticism to be a decent defender.
A playmaking SF is a luxury. Even though I prefer Prince over Hedo, I’m not going to complain too much about it.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
So he dribbles around and takes much worse shots than Rudy
Rudy is a dynamic and efficient scorer that doesn’t need a ton of possessions to make a difference. Hedo’s PER, as pathetic as it is (under 15 – below average not even counting his defense) is higher than it actually would be here because his usage would go down (that was his top #).
Even when he creates for himself (53% shooting inside) that isn’t even the percentage Rudy shoots in the entirety of his game (55%). Now when you consider Hedo’s jump shooing numbers are even lower than that, and you have a player that you don’t want shooting the ball nearly as much as you do Rudy. Rudy doesn’t create as well for others, but creates those super high percentage look for himself by moving around the court getting himself open. I don’t understand how he’s a better player next to Roy in anyway.
Ya, that's what happens when you age....
you get worse. He got much worse from last season to this season, and projects to do the same things this season. The gap is only going to increase from Rudy’s rookie year to his second year and from Hedo’s 30 year old year to his 31 year old year.
Rudy is assisted on 80% of his jumpshots
Turkoglu is assisted on 47% of his jumpshots.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
maybe that means
Hedo shoot rethink how he is playing
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
I agree Hedo probably takes some poor shots
His situation is different in Orlando where he is primarily the playmaker and the player who controls the ball at the end of a shot clock.
Rudy took his fair share of bad shots when he was forced to create. Within Nate’s offense, I’m not as concerned with Hedo’s shot selection.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Even with those bad shots
Rudy was one of the 5 most efficient shooters in the league, which is what you need to be playing off of Roy.
The point is that if Rudy was forced to be the primary playmaker,
his shooting stats would suffer. This is not a one to one comparison. There is context for shooting stats. Batum was not a good jumpshooter, certainly not better than Turkoglu even though he shoot a better percentage last year. Batum was assisted on 89% of his jumpshots, most of them taken when he is wide open.
I can certainly make an argument Turkoglu’s skills as a perimeter playmaker is just as important on the Blazers as Rudy’s efficient shooting.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I can name someone who's more efficient than Hedo and Rudy, is under contract ...
for just one season, has a low enough usage rate to show he wouldn’t get in Brandon Roy’s way, is a superior passer and rebounder for his position, and could probably be attained via trade for the small cost of Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster. Plus, unlike Hedo, this guy wouldn’t necessarily cut into Fernandez’s playing time.
Psst, AK, your Millerboner is showing again
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.. this Hedo deal is getting crazy fast
Sounds like KP knows about Rudy and is still pursuing strongly, which seems strange. However, KP wouldn’t sign Hedo to give us four SFs with value unless he had another move already in the works. Maybe it’s simply a sign-and-trade with Turkoglu to get us the PG we want. It’d be funny to see all the people hating the Turkoglu move to suddenly explode with joy when he turns into Hinrich.
Another way I see it working out is that we sign Hedo, then trade Rudy, Outlaw, Blake for a starting PG and a backup PF as well hopefully, possibly in more than one deal. Webster could slide over and get Rudy-type backup SG minutes (where he was originally supposed to play in the NBA if I remember correctly). That would give us a consolidated roster with PG/Bayless, Roy/Webster, Hedo/Batum, LMA/PF, Oden/Przybilla. As Turkoglu gets older and less effective (or when his contract expires), and our young players start to shine, we can shift to purely Batum/Webster at SF while a new backup SG (or perhaps Turkoglu) can pick up the few scrap minutes Roy leaves behind.
Trade him. He obviously doesn’t care abou the team. All these spainish guys believe that since they are huge stars over seas that they will have the same status here. Don’t get me wrong I love Rudy, but if he doesn’t want to be here its only going hurt our team chemistry that we have been building. He is never going to start here in Portland, and he is going to leave as soon as he can get out his contract, so we might as well trade him while he has a ton of value.
I wouldn't be opposed to trading Rudy at this point.
I am very opposed to necessitating such a move due to bringing in Turkey.
If we bring in Hedo
we need to ship out 2 of our 3 current SF’s and a PG for an upgrade at PG for this signing to work. Otherwise the entire roster is just boned. Shouldn’t we do the trade and then bring in Turk?
The real issue of all this may be that KP knows Rudy is going back to Euro land
Or at least he knows he can’t sign Rudy after his contract is up. His trade value gets hurt if he threatens to go to Europe every contract year.
So if Rudy was already demanding to be gone
back when we traded Sergio or even earlier and it was not made public, what would you expect KP to do to improve the team……Wonder if that changes anyones perspectives here. I don’t think the decision was ever Rudy vs. Hedo, it was always Rudy/Sergio vs Roy/Nate…..Rudy and Sergio play a D’Antoni style…fun to watch, but can it win it all? While Roy/Aldridge in Nates system are more Popovichesque…not as flashy but far more effective.
Trade Claver's rights now
If Rudy ends up whining his way out of Portland, I vote that we trade Claver’s rights immediately. Spanish whininess is killing the Blazers.
This is Rudiculous
Getting Hedo Turkoglu at the expense of Rudy Fernandez is downright stupid. I voted for both, but if they can’t coexist there is no reason to drop all of your money on an aging turkish dude….
The Bedger formally known as ????????
All this because of some rumor mongering being reported by Chad Ford?
The old advice of “Believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear.” should be followed here.
hakkaa päälle !
Dražen Fernandez
The Rudy situation reminds me a bit of Dražen Petrović in Portland-Albeit I was young I do remember him becoming a semi-star after he left
C*mcast sucks!
Relax poeple...just because Rudy is "supposedly" upset...
…that doesn’t mean we will trade him….(even if he really is upset). The Blazers hold all the leverage against Rudy in terms of his contract. He is not going anywhere unless he is involved in a trade that brings in a better PG. However, Hedo likely means Trout is gone though.
This could be bad....
RUDY>>>>>HEDO
But also what i’m thinking is that maybe the Blazers should consider starting Roy at PG because if we do end up signing Hedo, I think this lineup would be pretty good.
PG: Roy
SG: Rudy
SF: Hedo
PF: Aldridge
C: Oden
Red Hot and Rolling
No defense
You’ve got 3 wing defenders with average or worse than average defensive skills there. That puts a lot of pressure on Greg.
My thoughts on this are
Don’t believe everything you hear.
If this holds to be true though, and the front office brings in Hedo and Rudy goes elsewhere, then our faith in KP can officially be over.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would take Rudy over Hedo as would any sane human being
That said if and when Rudy leaves I won’t be that broken up.
Blazer Fan
Likewise
I just don’t want to drive Rudy out of town to sign a guy that I think is a silly acquisition to begin with.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This could turn out to be the signing of He D'OH
We dont need better offense, we need better defense Hedo doesnt provide that.
I absolutely LOVE Rudy as a player but...
If he is getting mad about the Blazers for wanting to make their team better then maybe he isn’t such a great fit. I really think that if the Blazers do actually sign Hedo that Rudy still has an important role on this team.
And also, I think it is probably a good idea to wait and see if this is actually true before people start flying off the handle.
Man if it were your job.
And they just hired some older dude to come in and do what you do, for an exorbitant salary, while cutting your hours what would your reaction be?
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
They don't play the same position...
Hedo is a small forward. And to those who say that in order for Rudy to get minutes, Roy needs to play at the SF position, you don’t force your best player out of position to accomodate a role player.
Agreed with don't force your best player out of his spot.
But we rarely play traditional sets, Blake has spot up on the outside in our traditional SF spot, Roy has taken the ball as a slasher, shooter, and driver, which is usually a SF role. I mean our guards just don’t run traditional sets, and since we use our SF as a guard (and especially if Hedo came to town) that would cut into Rudy’s minutes.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
Roy's best position last year
WAS small forward. Look at the numbers.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR5.HTM#bypos
the team scored more points, gave up less points
and individually Roy produced more and gave up less production.
It wasn’t really even close.
if KP is aware of those Roy-Rudy stats
he’s certainly not showing it, by pursuing Hedo
I’m not sure, but there maybe something behind the numbers that is driving the decision. Like intangibles. Like Rudy is not going to ever be happy unless he’s more the focus to the offense than he will ever be if he stays in Portland
numbers are just “part” of the equation, KP said so just the other day
I think KP has decided to take Nate´s route, pushed also by Roy wanting to win a ring now, knowing both Nate and Roy are on the same page and the Blazers want Roy signing a new contract.
I mean:
- No more rookies. Nate said something like he had stop the staff´s attempts to bring young talent.
- Bye-bye Sergio.
- Go for FA.
- No more “Rudy” in KP´s last statements when talking about important players.
- Nate including Rudy and Batum among the players whom other teams are targeting.
good observations
at some point the roster has to be “rolled over” from rebuilding to competing for titles. Most of us though that would be in a few years, but the 54 wins accelerated the process. You could hear it in comments made by Nate, Roy, Paul Allen—and these are the guys who’s opinion will influence KP the most
not reporters, bloggers and blog readers.
If a large percentage of season ticket holders stopped renewing, then that might get their attention. Otherwise, what we all think about personnel decisions is irrelevant
My only concern about that
is I don’t want Roy getting banged on night in and night out by big SFs. I like it in spurts but not as a long-term plan because of the potential for injury there. Roy’s long-term health is too valuable to the franchise to do that IMO.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
besides Artest
I cant really think of any SFs who really bang it out.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Seriously?
There are lots of SFs bigger than Roy. He’s big for a 2-guard, not for a SF. I think that if he checks bigger guys than him every single night, even if they’re not uberphysical, the NBA is a physical game and it’s gonna wear him down. He said as much during the season…I won’t be able to find the link, but I know Quick or Freedman reported that Roy doesn’t like playing the 3 for that reason.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
bigger doesent mean
they will kill him. Most of the abuse he will take is off screens and 2s use screens as well.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
how often do those guys post up?
they are big no doubt, but they wont manhandle you
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Out of the three players that I listed.
Two of them (LeBron and Carmelo), use their size and strength as their biggest advantage.
Roy does not have a big enough body to guard the SF position on a regular basis. He can guard certain SF’s in spot minutes but if he has to guard the big guys night after night, he will get beat up.
I agree with this
The 3-guard lineup is something to be used sparingly, when Roy’s matchup will allow it. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
neither have a post game
and are not really physical players
he may have a hard time stopping bigger SFs, but that doesent mean it add wear and tear on him. The only reason I can see for him getting beat up playing these guys as he would constantly be put in pick and rolls and having to run through screens, but that is something that comes with guarding any teams best player.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Dude,
Go watch some Nuggets and Cavs games, then come back and try to tell me that neither of them are physical players. Melo and Bron are absolute beasts when it comes to physicality.
dude
I have watched a lot of each
They are not really that physical of players. They both love jump shots too much to fully utilize their bodies on the block, which is where a defender would get punished.
Sure they will drive on you, but that is not exceptionally physically punishing, especially compared to being posted by a guy like Artest.
Besides you are talking about a total of 6 games a year against these players.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Oh my...we have just a bit of OVER REACTION!
First, there is no evidence to support that Rudy is actually upset, other than hearsay. If Rudy gets in front of a camera and states that he would be upset if Portland got Hedo than I will believe it. Why? Because Rudy has not shown any indication of being a selfish “me first” type of player. Even on the Spanish team in the gold medal game he came off the bench to help the team. If anything, maybe he is upset by Sergio’s departure, which would be understandable since they are friends…but even Rudy had to see that Sergio was not fitting well on the team.
Second, if and it’s a big IF, Rudy is complaining about Hedo coming. I think his worries over playing time would be quickly assuaged after the season starts…b/c he will get at least 25 minutes at the 2 and 3 spots if no injuries happen, unless the Blazers decide to hang onto Outlaw. The guy who would possibly not the see the minutes he wants if Hedo comes to Portland would be Batum. The bottom line is, Rudy will play as long as he gives the best chance to help the team win…and judging by his performance last season, he will play.
Calm down folks.
by JasonT on Jul 1, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Our nightmares became reality last night when we heard KP was actually pursuing Turk.
If that terrible rumor could be true… who knows what torments lay before us.
I guess I don't see this as such a nightmare.
If Rudy is truely upset by this…it’s only a matter of time, he gets upset by something else. People are acting like Hedo is a terrible player or something. Without Hedo Orlando doesn’t get close to the finals. He brings one more playmaker to the Blazers…it would be nice to have at least 2. Portland is in a very good position to negotiate with Hedo…their aren’t too many suitors to compete with, since Orlando dropped off. Our only real competition is Detroit. Relax.
I’ll reserve the right to panic, and continue to do it for now.
What else am I going to do in the offseason?
Maybe a hobby?
What else am I going to do in the offseason?
Poll results so far.
Nearly the same amount of people so far , < 50, want Hedo as don’t want either.
Aprox. 93% of us want Rudy. 7% don’t want him.
Aprox. 33% of us want Hedo. 67% don’t want him.
These are blowout margins.
That is out of > 1000 people, KP. Either this is a game or you are being stupid.
VIVA LA RUDY!
(I’m sure LMA would complain if we brought in Bosh to do his job while LMA sat on the bench.)
To play devil's advocate
I have a trade proposal for you: Zach Randolph for Channing Frye and Steve Francis.
That deal wouldn’t have survived the test of BE public opinion…sure worked out pretty well though, right?
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
But addition by subtraction is harder to gauge then addition by addition, at least it seems that way to me.
But that is a great point.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
The whole point of that deal was to remove Zach.
So to use your metaphor, the whole point of this is to get rid of Rudy? Pretty lame plan KP.
Also, let’s say this is a game. Even if it turns out alright, free agents are going to begin to become wary of Portland and their games… what agent is interested in taking to a team that is just looking to play them?
Naw, my point is that running a team based on what public opinion is
even if it’s very basketball-educated public opinion like you can find at this site, is not a good way to conduct business. Just cuz the majority of us think this Turkoglu pursuit is a bad idea doesn’t necessarily make it so, cuz KP has shown that he’s a lot smarter than any of us. That’s all I’m sayin’.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did I suggest the team should be run by public opinion?
I am simply stating that from an outward view this situation makes no sense for the Blazers.
If there is some secret reason to pursue Hedo and to lose Rudy, please propose it.
"either this is a game or you are being stupid"
Leaves out the third option: it’s not a game, and KP is being smart. Given his track record, is that so difficult to believe? A million people could say KP is screwing the pooch and it doesn’t make it so.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But all we can see is what is happening here.
Someone try claiming something other than, “KP may have a great plan here we can’t know,” or this is impossible to discuss from an outsiders perspective.
If you want to go Rumsfield’s way and start talking about unknown unknowns, I find it silly to comment on.
My only point
and I’ll stop trying to make it after this, is that it seemed you were using massive popular support for not signing Turkoglu as proof that it was the proper course of action. And all I’m saying is that the Randolph trade was massively unpopular at the time too, and it ended up being a GREAT move. The deals to acquire Roy and LMA, the Randolph trade — KP has a track record of making deals that look superfluous or lousy at the time and turn out to be savvy moves. Until he poos the bed, I think massive popular support for one course of action or another isn’t a very convincing argument, given his great track record.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I just think my ideas are correct.
I was a fan of dumping Randolph for nothing and I was a fan of KPs draft changes.
Maybe it is time for my mistake. But nearly everyone will be joining me.
SOMEBODY'S gotta play devil's advocate in this joint :-)
FWIW I agree with you re: Turkeyglue being a bad signing.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Similarly...
I recall many a fan clamoring for the Blazers to draft Adam Morrison over Roy. Yikes.
I am certain that KP knows far more about the players and basketball than anyone on this board. If he pursues Turkoglu, it must be for a good reason.
Yeah, but Adam Morrison has a ring....
Just sayin…. lol
by thejazzhippie on Jul 1, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really want to see the Blazers run by a poll?
Really? I’d prefer tat KP manage the roster using all the advanced metrics he has available to him. I want him to do ALL the moves he’s hoping to do this summer……..and let’s face it, we don;t know what those are.
It could very well be a sign-and-trade that brings in a player complementary to Rudy….
And as far as comparing the situation with Hedo possibly coming in, to having Bosh come in and force LMA to teh bench……Rudy is not a starter. He is not better than Roy.
by antediluvian on Jul 1, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please Please someone find the post
where the team was run by committee…
This needs to be linked to right here…
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
YESSSS!!!!!!!!
So antediluvian, you can see this strategy works great!
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
WHAT was I thinking......
(hanging head in shame)
And to think I missed that one.
by antediluvian on Jul 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See 2005 draft...Adam Morrison
Heck even look at 2007 draft fan votes.
Mangement by poll?
While I voted for Rudy, I’d be very concerned if I thought KP was making decisions based on polls taken by fans who know far less about basketball than he does.
Please wait to fall for this.
Just because some writer somewhere wrote something does not make it true.
Please guys wait to hear it from Rudy yourself.
One thing Rudy has a right to be mad about is the way Sergio was traded.
Also, please remember we drafted another Spaniard, Victor Claver. We will want him to come over in a year or two. So do not upset all of Spain with wild comments please. Watching You Tube clips of him, he looks like a very quick hot shooting from distance and drive to the basket type of small forward.
Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)
by OrygunRod on Jul 1, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just flag the nasty stuff, let the mods take care of it behind the scenes.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
do not upset all of Spain with wild comments please
Too late for that, the Espana fans were already upset by the way Nate “handled” Sergio. It would not surprise me if this “Rudy wants out” noise is being generated by a Spanish blogger, then picked up and repeated until it reached Sheridan, who might be acting on the behalf of another NBA GM
Claver will make his own decision. But I won’t be “on board” with KP and the scouts if they keep on punting #1 draft choices by drafting/stashing Euros every year, especially the Spanish variety. Very high maintenance
I am really curious who the source is
this article doesn’t pass the smell test.
Hello Dum Dum
by ryryslyry on Jul 1, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
All the posts aboves
Sums up everyone’s feelings towards Blazer’s fans.
Rudy comments to Casey Holdahl
Rudy is quick to point out how satisfied he is with Portland, especially when it comes to the support of the fans in the Rose City and beyond.
Noted on ESPN:
The problem for Fernandez from a leverage standpoint is that he is entering the second year of his NBA rookie contract, and the Blazers have the option to re-sign him for a third and/or fourth season. Fernandez would have to be released from his NBA contract in order to receive a letter of clearance from FIBA, the sport’s international governing body, to play elsewhere.
by JasonT on Jul 1, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I figured it out
KP has been hearing the fans lamenting about him not making a big deal so he’s going for the biggest free agent on the market to appease them.
Bill Simmons is a joke writer.
D. Jaynes
LATE ADD: The word around the league is that Rudy’s agent has made it clear to the Trail Blazers that if Turkoglu signs with Portland, it’s time to trade Rudy.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If we can somehow manage to still get full value for Rudy, this could work out ok
I still absolutely hate necessitating a Rudy trade by going after a more expensive, older and (at best) equally good player.
I agree
To me Hedo was a horrible option before, now he is an impossible option, I want Rudy here, not Hedo, don’t do it KP!
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My goodness.
At this point I’d have preferred Darius being paid twice what he is so that we couldn’t do anything this FA season.*
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes me wrong.
by staylost on Jul 1, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks for the asterisk! wink face
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't let Spanish agents dictate our player personnel moves
Especially those agents who represent players under contract.
Is his agent Spanish?
B/c didn’t Sergio’s Spanish agent whine publicly also?
Good.
If he got that upset over Turk coming in then he probably would have demanded a trade sooner or later anyway. Just like Pau, Sergio, Lopez, Navarro, and Rubio.
Better to get it over with now while he still has value and less leverage.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
But his trade value has already dipped today when all this “Hedo’s a Turk, I’m unhappy, trade me” buzz started
maybe Rudy’s frustration was already known, behind the scenes, and not reported. But other NBA GMs might’ve know there was discontent between Rudy and Blazer management. Still, you want to tyr to keep all of this in-house and let Rudy vent about the Blazers AFTER the trade was completed, if at all
Let him go
I hate players that put themselves before the team. The Blazers had 54 wins last season, everyone in this town loved him, he was always in there at the end of the 4th quarter, and he is still upset? What more does he want? So he lost his buddy Sergio. Maybe if Sergio would have played better, he could have actually separated himself from a 19 year old rookie. I used to like Rudy but I just hate this kind of “Me before the team” attitude. This is what turned me off so much about ‘Sheed and Bonzi back in the day.
Another point: Rudy is a nice passer and 3 point shooter, but he cannot create his own shot very well. He is too frail to drive it to the hole like Roy can (or Hedo, for that matter). He is too frail to play more than average defense. I mean, he is a nice 6th man, but why the hero worship. He is good, but he is not THAT good. He plainly has a lot of limitations. To say that he is better than Hedo is just not thinking clearly. I watched Rudy play all year, and if you can tell me he can take it to the hole as well as Hedo can, or create his own shot as well as Hedo can, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. And I am no huge fan of Hedo, either. The only thing that concerns me about Hedo, is his age. But to say Rudy is better than he is, is ridiculous. Rudy isn’t even close to beating out Roy, and he never will be. Can you ever see him being good at driving it to the rim in traffic? At playing lockdown defense? It isn’t going to happen. Ever. He is a nice 6th man, but that is it. Again, he got significant minutes in his first year, the team won 54 games, and everyone in town loved him. And he is complaining? Good riddance, if the reports are true.
by kalahari on Jul 1, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make a good point.
But almost all championship teams have too much talent which results in this type of behavior. I’d rather have a bit of whining because we don’t have enough court time, than suck a bit more.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
How much whining did you hear from Lakers players this year?
Or Celtics players last?
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, Odom publicly complained about being demoted to the bench
Gasol questioned why he wasn’t more involved in the offense throughout the playoffs.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Being in line for a championship ring fixes a lot of problems.
Or at the least, they’re unlikely to be public about it, since if a team lost afterward, they’d be looked upon.
There are lots of rumors of whining. Even Dave brought it up about the Lakers.
You are correct that when they win a championship there is less whining, but you’re probably giong to have to stomach some along the way (Kobe whined more than anybody when the stacked Lakers weren’t winning championships, did it pay off not to deal him?)
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
The problem is Rudy is just finished his rookie season
he is nowhere near the player Kobe was 2 years ago. Rookies should keep their mouth shut.
Hopefully it is not true
But if he really is upset about this, I do not see why some people think it would be so terrible to trade him. He has a lot of limitations, and I think that many people are kind of ignoring those. I do think he is a nice player, but I definitely do not think he deserves the hero worship that so many here give him. I am all for him staying with the team and being a nice player off the bench, but I don’t think he is “invaluable” by any means.
I like how the title of his piece is "I've been telling you this story for months. . ."
His writing always makes me feel like my dad is lecturing me.
Hello Dum Dum
yeah, Dwight and Canzano
could never ride in an elevator together
there’s only room for one fat head at a time
But Jaynes has been around forever and his league-wide sources usually are correct. (At least they tell him back-channel what KP doesn’t want the rest of us to know about, beforehand)
good question
not likely one we’ll ever get a straight answer to though.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
YES YES YES
Toronto is reportedly offering 5 years at 60M. Blazers can’t match that – woo hoo. Hoopsype rumors website.
by Sonic Boom on Jul 1, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
wow, if that's true
I’ll be thrilled.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
but aren't you glad he is?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
excellent!
Hey I just had a brilliant idea, lets make up a bunch of rumors about teams interested in Hedo so that the Blazers will go back under the radar and stop going after him.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
If Hedo Turkoglu signs with the Toronto Raptors, then today will be a good day.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
unless that doesn't happen.
That’s why they play the games.
It might be that KP is right about bringing Hidayet in to play the 3, and some backup minutes at 4. It might be that all the hand-wringing and wailing Noooooo over all of this is being done by FANS who LOVE THEIR BALLCLUB and want it to succeed and think they know better than KP.
It might be that all the stats go against bringing Mr. T in and adding him to this ballclub.
It might turn out fine.
We aren’t going to know until the season starts. So hey! Pull up a chair and crack a cold one. How about those Mariners? – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
Yikes. And I thought 5 yrs./50 mil was ridiculous.
If Toronto wants him that bad, that’s saying something.
How about Portland signs him for that, then throws in Outlaw and Rudy in a trade for Bosh? :)
Yes! Yes! In the face!
We could be Grizz fans and have to deal with stuff like this every year...
Does that help?
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
breaking: brandon roy hit by car driven by jealous lamarcus aldridge
reportedly aldridge was incensed that the PTB did not consider him a max player and took out his rage on the franchise cornerstone.
(that kind of worse?)
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, I'm an idiot.
Oh well, I guess the only dry humor I can pick up on his my own.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just went to rec it and it said I alread rec'ed it
It wasn’t the grammar part that made me laugh. It was the dry humor line that tickled me ever so much.
Back up guards don't get to make staffing decsions
Sorry, but the trailblazers can’t let Rudy dictate who they sign, draft, or trade for. He needs to accept management’s decsions and act like a professional.
JRogero
by JRogero on Jul 1, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
+1
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 1, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT DUHHH
Blazers Offering Turkoglu $50M Over Five Years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60261/20090701/blazers_offering_turkoglu_$50m_over_five_years/
it's a bidding war
here’s hoping that Hedo likes Toronto more than Portland, for some superficial reason
Quick says Toronto's out of the running
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I want to hear from Rudy.
These articles around FA signing are starting to come off like the gossip mags. Hoopshype is the new TMZ of basketball.
Hello Dum Dum
Update: It is now believed that the Raptors are out of the running for Turkoglu.
From RealGM
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
Read the article
Nothing in it indicates the offer.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Hopefully the next news we hear
is that Nate has canceled his dinner plans for tonight and Turkoglu won’t be coming to Portland tomorrow. Instead he’ll be on his way to Toronto.
This seems like something drummed up by Rudy's agent
Dwight Jaynes:
The word around the league is that Rudy’s agent has made it clear to the Trail Blazers that if Turkoglu signs with Portland, it’s time to trade Rudy.
I would not be surprised at all, if this came completely from Rudy’s agent. Reminds me too much of Sergio’s situation last summer with his agent. Only Rudy actually brings more to the table than Sergio.
Good Trade Him!
We are team here. No need for whiners who have been in the league for one year and demand to be traded. Bring on Turkey. He can take the preassure off Roy much better than Rudy ever could.
If this did come from Rudy...
then we should trade him. Even if we don’t get Hedo, Rudy will become a problem eventually.
I'm worried too.
What is wrong with the agents these Spanish guys sign on with?
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
Fufkin!!
"I don't know Twitter" - Rudy Fernandez
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Jul 1, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll bet...
…your ex-boss told the people he answers to that “all would be fine” and that he had a plan to “backfill your position” with somebody even more effective, right? All the while, your ex-co workers are grumbling about having to pick up the slack for a job they aren’t getting paid to do – and the new guy is probably older with years of experience doing things HIS way, which makes him disruptive and hard to work with. Right?
I’m sure you are happier in your new position and that, for a while at least, things were superficially ok at your previous workplace. But you know, things have a way of bubbling to the surface and your old team’s new dysfunction ultimately caused everyone to resent everyone else. This caused poor team performance, which led to your boss getting hypertension which led to him having a heart attack, blaming his wife’s cooking and ended with getting divorced. Also, he probably accidentally backed his car over his cat, which caused his kids to want to go live with their mom. HIS boss probably noticed this and decided that it was time to part ways, which led to the systematic dismantling of his (and yours) old team.
While your friends still like you, they probably do not like the long trail of destruction you have left behind.
It is a sad hyperbolic tale of intrigue, deception and heart-break.
What’s the moral of this story? Maybe it’s good to be Channing Frye.
I'm not sure about the story
but I do agree that it must be great to be Channing Frye. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
it's sad, but the blazers are actually on their way to accomplishing their offseason goals
Banger: Blazers drafted Pendergraph to fulfill the need for toughness inside on the 2nd unit.
Vet: Blazers feel that Hedo is the guy and are really going after him. At least you have to like the decisiveness by KP.
I just hope our championship plans don’t get blown out of the water as a result of this trade.
Anybody else reminded of Hinrich’s bloated salary when looking at this offer to Hedo?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
he's just losing his credibility
I’m losing my sanity.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Sounds like Hedo may have one worm of an agent.
The Oregonian is reporting that ‘sources’ are saying Toronto is offering Hedo 5 years for 60. I highly doubt that’s accurate. And if not, who else would spread that rumor but his agent?
If i were Portland, i’d now recent the current 5/50 deal and purpose 5/45. :)
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
I can’t wait to see what happens on the 8th.. this place is gonna be a madhouse..
everyone relax.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
omg!! goood news!!! Rapots might offer 60mil!!
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60261/20090701/raptors_preparing_$60m_offer_for_turkoglu/
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
here
However, in order for Toronto to clear enough money to sign Turkoglu to the five-year, $60 million deal, it would have to renounce the contracts of Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, Carlos Delfino, Patrick O’Bryant and Quincy Douby. The team is leery of taking that path, having that same tactic backfire last season when it created room for the arrival of Jermaine O’Neal.
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
why not.,,
obryant-scrub douby=scrub delfino=scrub shawn marion=overpaid scrub
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
I don't smell a pritch slap.
Wutchu talkin bout?
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Patrick O'Bryant and Quincy Douby have guaranteed contract, so they can't be "renounced" ...
to save money. In fact, releasing them would cost just the same as keeping them. Of course, it’d be possible to trade O’Bryant and Douby — although the latter can’t be traded until 7/13/2009 — to some team for immediate cap relief.
In fact, here’s an example of that.
FROM MINNESOTA & TO TORONTO
PF Henk Norel (Draft Rights)
FROM TORONTO & TO MINNESOTA
C Patrick O’Bryant ($855,189)
SG Quincy Douby ($855,189)
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5161166
The Minnesota Timberwolves can absorb O’Bryant and Douby’s contracts at no tangible cost due to the minimum-level player exception.
On a side note, though, the Raptors would need to renounce its cap holds — as well as rescind its qualifying offers on the last two men listed below — on these individuals.
UFA
Shawn Marion
Anthony Parker
Joey Graham
Primoz Brezec
Jake Voskuhl
Pape Sow
Uros Slokar
RFA
Carlos Delfino
Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Well, that’s that.
nice work JQ
in 10 min AK just killed your entire article
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
realgm's source for that is probobly Jason Quick
and Quick’s source is probably Hedo’s agent, unfortunately.
I wish Miles
made ike 20 million dollars this year instead of 10 or whatever it was. Clearly Pritichard is not as good with FA as with the draft. Signing Turkoglu is like a Billy King move.
by neutroticblazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Does this mean...
you guys don’t want to trade Rudy for Jonny Flynn? Because we are down, I think.
—your friends in Minnesota
haha
Yea, wow, you guys really are.
BTW I was wondering what you guys’ plans are for this next year? I mean you guys have a stable of PF’s and what like 4 pg’s?
And don’t try to tell me Jeffs is a C, that is one of the more ridiculous thing ever.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
I'd love to know
what our plans are, but I think everyone is waiting to see how things shake out. We didn’t really have a 5 last year either, so that wouldn’t be anything new. The PG thing, I don’t know, it’s going to be interesting. I’m down for keeping both if Rubio agrees to it and comes, but who knows how it’ll work out. Definitely would pull the trigger on a Flynn trade if we need to.
Yea definitely
the Mike Miller trade was crazy too. I was shocked when it happened. I mean there aren’t many SF’s that are as good as Miller, you know?
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
Holy Cow.
Wow, did not realize he had dropped off the face of the earth last year. Dang man, what the heck happened there?
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
He started...
passing up open 3’s and driving to the hoop trying to get fouled or kick it out sometime in December I think. Nobody knew what the deal was.
geeze.
Yea I saw the trade and i was like what?? Instant EC contender. But yea i didn’t realize he had slipped anywhere nearly as bad as he did. Yea, I was totally wrong.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
Flynn will be this year's R.O.Y. + 15 time all-star
…you guys better keep him.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
I love Flynn
but if those 2 aren’t down for being on the same team (no one really knows what’s going on, but that seems plausible) and Rubio is thinking of not coming because of it, I would trade Flynn in the right deal.
I honestly don’t know much about Flynn, but he’s rated highly in a PG heavy draft. I’d seriously consider a package that had Flynn + a gomes or Smith to give us a backup PF. It would only make sense though if we had Bayless going out and someone like Miller coming in as a vet PG.
I’d rather just not get turkeyglue and keep rudy, it’s easier :)
Why don't we swap Roy & LMA for Rubio & Love while we're at it.
I think that Rubio guy has a lot of talent and the injury prone Roy doesn’t have much upside.
Hedo is the reason basketball exists for most Blazers so we are happy with a losing record as long as we can watch him longingly.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
Well since Portland is like the third whitest city in America
This makes total sense, we can become the Utah/Toronto of the West Coast!
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
And the whiteness..
of your city, which I happen to love (the city, not the whiteness) blows me away every time. It’s crazy.
Portland’s percentage of whites: 74%
Minneapolis’ percentage of whites: 68%
Yeah, that’s crazy.
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
There's virtually no way it's that close
What do you do with the minorities then, keep them in the hills? Ride a bus in Minneapolis, you might well be the only white person on it, ride one in Portland around the city for hours, you might not see a black person at any point. Also, Mpls is the 2nd largest Somali city in the world outside Mogadishu.
Not that this has anything to do with basketball, or is really that crucial regardless.
looking like Hedo signing with Portland for more than
they had to pay him and then Trav + Rudy go in a trade deal for a big name PG?
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Why would be want Hedo
The nation even refuses to get to know him
Hello Dum Dum
by ryryslyry on Jul 1, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm seriously considering boycotting the sports media
including Blazer’s Edge. Just shutting it down and waiting for things to actually be signed.
Not because of anything here, or anybody being inaccurate. Just because of the whole thing, the whole menagerie. How gullible are we?
Let me get this straight. Your client has known for weeks that Turkoglu is on the radar, but you wait until today to make a statement like that. And when you do, you make sure it’s leaked to ESPN. Why? How does that help anyone’s position?
Do you think fan pressure has anything to do with it? Anyone going to give up on the Blazers if Hedo comes to town? If Rudy leaves? Right. After all, this organization has such a rich recent history of catering to fan requests. And if there’s one thing Paul Allen and Kevin Pritchard like doing, it’s letting the public tell them how to spend and not spend Allen’s millions.
We’re being played as a fanbase. Not by the Blazers, not by Rudy’s agent, by the media as a whole. Getting spun up, turned around, and merrily F5ing pages like ESPN and Yahoo who, lest we forget, only make money if we’re merrily F5ing.
“League Source”, my keister. Like Tom Penn scuttles off to the fire escape to text Chad Ford the latest. How dumb is KP? Think he hasn’t sent out a notice to everyone in the office, saying, “Hey folks! Friendly heads-up: when we’re in this room over here, the discussions are private. If you breathe a word of what goes on in there, I will find out it was you, I will can you, and I will make sure you never work in the field of professional sports again.” Think he’s bluffing? And you’re gonna risk getting canned just so you can get Chris Sheridan the latest scoop?
This is media hype, folks. Roll with it as you like, but understand it for what it is. Garbage, garbage, garbage. And if you take it seriously, you’re a sucka.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jul 1, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Preemptive response: I get that agents use the media for leverage. I’m not an idiot. That doesn’t address my point, it just reinforces it. We’re told exactly what these GMs and agents want us to hear, and not one word more, and 99% of the time it’s a) what they want each other to hear and b) what they’ve already heard and completely predict to hear from each other.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
Its fun as heck
And since we know Blazer’s Personnel read this blog, we can sound off on how we feel about potential situations. And we can give them potential feedback on situations that may or may not be anything at all close to fruition.
Its the same reason KP is constantly calling other GMs to get an idea of exactly what the value of a player is to the other teams in the league. We give the feedback of exactly what the value of a player is to our team.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
Ehehehe
KP, if you’re reading this: I’m on to ya!
p.s. please contact me and turn me into a trusted team insider and I’ll disseminate whatever outlandish claptrap you want on the appropriate message boards for the sole purpose of winding up fanbases and spurring other, stupider GMs into rash personnel decisions.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
KP doesn't need no stinking contact information!
Think about it….
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
KP probably has a few of those
on the payroll.
Of course, it takes very little to rile up some fanbases.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no way Rudy would be more willing to play in a foreign country
Why? Doesn’t add up. how many times have we heard Rudy gushing about playing the NBA, the elite basketball oragnaization of the world? how many times have we heard Rudy talking about watching the games on Christmas Day when he was young? doesn’t add up, this is agent trash.
more $, closer to his family who he's obviously tight with, less games.
i’ve seen ppl want to change jobs for a lot less :)
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
OT: but Cavs are reportedly heading after Artest
How much money does that team have???? First Shaq, then all this other stuff… wow.
shaq was a trade
but yea, that’s what happens with this luxury tax junk.
Teams who can afford it just buy the heck out of the other teams, and the other teams who can’t pay dollar for dollar over the cap, end up letting go of their talent every 3 years. Exact opposite of what was intended, but whatever.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
Turkey is the best option.
We are going to sign Roy and LA to max contracts next season. There is going to be no money next year for FA’s. We have money now and Turkey is the best available option now. If Rudy has problem with it thats his problem. We can always trade him while he has a ton of trade value. You can’t tell me you wouldn’t like these starting line ups.
PG:Hinrich/Dre Miller (Put whomever you like in a trade for Rudy + ? here)
SG:Roy
SF:Turkey
PF:LA
C:Oden/Thrilla
Thats one of the best starting line up in the leagues.
According to realGM,
Toronto has offered Turkeyglue a five-year, $60 million deal.
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When its old.
Like me.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather lose with Rudy than win with Hedo
I like Hedo’s game, but no way he’s worth $10 million.
I think it’s important to remember too the NBA is supposed to be entertaining (remember Showtime or Bird/McHale?). The Lakers win was so boooring. Where’s Magic baby?
I’ll tell you – it’s Rudy. I f@#$%* love watching that dude play. Even when he can’t make his shot on a particular night, he’s worth the price. Whatever the Blazers do, keep Rudy happy!
"You know when to say 'Yes', you know when to say 'No', everyone goes home in a limousine." - 'Fast' Eddie Felson
huh?
personally, I want to WIN. and win BIG.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
really?
Winning big can be boring often (ahem, Spurs/Patriots/USC Trojans). Winning when it’s fun (’85 Bears, ’92 Blazers, etc.) is much more enjoyable.
It’s about passion and showmanship as much as winning or it’s margin.
Rudy makes watching the Blazers exciting.
"You know when to say 'Yes', you know when to say 'No', everyone goes home in a limousine." - 'Fast' Eddie Felson
Both are important to most people I think.
If we could win by signing a genetically created 15 ft tall person who would just stuff the ball in the basket I would be bored and not care if we won.
However, I don’t want to watch playground tricks for entertainment either. I want to watch people whos lives I’ve followed exert themselves to preform in a winning excellence.
Regardless, I think Rudy will make the Blazers more likely to win a championship than Hedo.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
Winning when it's fun is not an option right now
Don’t you know Nate McMillan is the Blazers coach?
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
i wasn't referring to margin
the “big” reference was in regards to winning when it counts – going deep into the playoffs and winning titles
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Umm...
I haven’t ever disagreed with a message board post more, ever.
Figured. They would have to renounce half their roster just to sign him.
by dario argento on Jul 1, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Clear cut decision time for front office
It has become evident that we are the #1 suitors for H*Do. Given that this move will and has caused internal strife with the current roster + the price tag that H*Do is asking I don’t hear anybody saying they want H*Do.
I, like most, was beginning to warm up to the idea of H*Do but if it mean coming at the expense of Rudy – Scrap the entire idea.
I’ve tried to look at this from both angles and it doesn’t seem like it is the answer to our PG / Back Up PF questions!
Crap, I was hoping that Bryan Colangelo would've goine all-in with Hedo Turkoglu.
I’d rather watch Toronto bust its hand than see Portland completely botch its chances.
FYI Yahoo is reporting Ben Gordon has reached agreement with Detroit
Which would make Kirk Hinrich pretty much unavailable unless for a much bigger package.
hows that?
why would they pay him 10m a year to be a backup when they can have two quality guys in blake and travis comming off the bench? and less expensive? maybe im wrong about the 10m but its a big number
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Combined with Toronto's decision
The demand for Hedo is drying up, and he may need to accept a lower offer.
that's why Hedo may get a lower offer
That removes Detroit from the teams with enough cap to give Hedo a big offer.
Yikes!
This offseason had so much promise. Now it seems like we could potentially be going down the wrong path. Scary Scary time right now.
why would bulls pay him starter money to be a back up
when they can have outlaw and blake who can contribute off the bench for much less
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Rudy Mad ????
Really and has anyone heard from him directly? No this is an agent like Rose-take-your-house trying to make more money for himself. ESPN the National Enquirer of Sports Information.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
hes not mad
just some stupid GM prolly said cuz they want him on their team
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Ben Gordon is a piston.
Goodbye Kirk Hinrich.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions
Why goodbye to Hinrich?
With Gordon off the books for 2010, why not move a would be backup who makes $10 million for two solid bench guys with expiring contracts.
If I am the Bulls I am even more desperate to move Hinrich now, then make a run at home town boy D-Wade in 2010 with all sorts of cap space. How many tickets a Rose/Wade backcourt would sell in ChiTown?
Chi could also make a similar move at the trade deadline, or at next year's draft
There’s no rush for Chicago if they feel Kirk would be useful this season.
Their beat writers and many fans think so
Should Gordon leave, the Bulls also figure to keep Kirk Hinrich, who can play both guard spots and is a better defensive player.
Yeah, Kirk Hinrich can get tons of minutes backing up John Salmons and Derrick Rose at both ...
guard spots. Alas, this off-season has been a terrible, terrible one so far for the Portland Trail Blazers.
i don't count missing out on hinrich as terrible
signing Hedo, I"m skeptical.
On teh other hand, many of the people absolutely screaming about giving Hedo 9 million per year are absolutely joyful about giving that same amount to Hinrich. That seems odd to me, because I’m pretty sure Hedo is going to improve this team more than Hinrich would.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Hinrich is not 30 years old
And only has three more years on his contract, with the salary decreasing each year. Hinrich also FILLS A NEED at PG; do we really need yet another SF? Especially a ‘shooter’ whose shooting percentages are not great?
If you think about it for a second, it’s pretty easy to see why many around BE would be much more excited for Hinrich than Turkoglu.
This doesn't take into account Chicago's desire to be at least one max FA under the cap next year
offing Hinrich for Blake and Outlaw or Blake and Webster might make a lot more sense for them going forward.
JQuick will be up on 1080 the fan soon
Gonna break down some of this Hedo stuff and talk about Rudy
The NBA: Where Amazingly Bad Officiating Happens.
Sorry for the grammer above
But you get my point.
KP absolutely must understand that there's no competition for him now
There’s zero reason to give him a giant contract now.
There is a big difference between those two
6×118 for ‘Shard
5×50ish for Turk. That’s a huuuuuuuge difference.
I get that you don’t bid against yourselves, but in the NBA these days you pretty much always have to overpay for a free agent. I think Hedo is a more valuable player on a good team than Ben Gordon who just got 5×55.
Lewis was 27 when he signed the deal
Both deals will/would end in a player that is horribly overpaid at the end of his contract when he is past his prime.
So does this mean Rip Hamilton will be playing the 3?
I guess I’m confused as to why Detroit wants both Gordon and Hamilton.
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
I'm predicting a Hamilton for Tyson trade in the near future
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather keep Rudy than over pay for Hedo. Rudy is our 4th best player. We need to
remind him of that.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 1, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So in that scenario...
Who is our third best player? Joel? Travis?
Probably Joel right?
Rudy is our 4th best player?
I think he might be our 6th best player if he works real hard to improve his game.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Last year he was easily our 3rd or 4th best player
And he’s only going to get better going from his rookie year to his second year.
That's not even close to being true.
First of all he only played the 5th most minutes, which means his production is spread over shorter period of time making him less valuable. Second he only contributes on one end of the court. That’s especially discouraging on a team that lacks defense and has loads of offense. Rudy Fernandez ranked 5th in PER on the team.
Ignoring potential, I would rank him about the 6th best Blazer in terms of worth and production. Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Joel, and Travis all had a bigger impact in my opinion.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No good
Too many periods. :)
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My babe Jill Savage on 1080
is taking an email poll: Do you believe Rudy is pissed as per report, or believe Quick?
jsavage@comcast.net
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
It's probably somewhere in between
But unfortunately that’s not allowed in the current 0-or-1 news cycle.
KP love Turkoglu. Why is that not enough for some of you guys to have some faith?
KP has been great in evaluating talent. How bout a little trust in the guy?
and if the Blazers offer 3 years, 30 million
which does Hidayet take? – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
Got to be the 35 if he's being realistic surely?
Given his current conditioning he can’t expect more then 4 million after his contract ends, at 33?
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
1080 The Fan...Quick said
he’s fairly certain that Rudy rumor is a lie. Also, a no go on the Miller deal.
WAIT! Hedo's an FA
THat means he has the option of coming here or not. maybe we could send him emails or something that’ll let him know that we don’t want him to come here, or just do something that’ll get noticed by sports news. he’ll see this and will decide against coming. somebody organize something.
Can you even imagine...
how amazing it would be if Hedo received enough mail from the Blazer fans to prevent him from coming here?!!! Talk about epic, epic, events…the player KP seems to want most rejects the team because the fans rejected him – amazingly awesome!!
Roy as PG?!
I actually prefer Roy at the 3 than the 1 but having Turk sort of allows that Fall 2008 notion of Roy as PG to resurface. Is this getting no play?
I don’t agree, mind you. It used to drive me stark raving looney to watch Roy jog the ball up the court. I don’t want to see 82 games of that if he has the ball even more for those duties. I’m just surprised that I haven’t seen that in the last 800 posts and wondered what I had missed.
As an aside: for all the venom people are ready to spew on whining Spanish players, I must say that the only people I have heard actually whine on record are Spanish agents. We should reserve a bit of ire for them.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
Why can't he just play the two?
Nic / Trout / Web: One of those three is redundant if Turkey signs, and we all know who that probably know who it is….
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Dang I hate no edit.
You know what I mean…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I hear you...
But I’m trying to figure out what to do with Rudy and still give Bayless minutes.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
Trade Blake, Outlaw, filler for Kidd or Nash in a fire sale situation
and let one of them mentor him :). Probably fantasy land but…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I dig that...
I like all those guys but feel like they’re all easily replacable as talent.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
From a Wolves fan
You know, I can see why you don’t want the Turk, but he seems like a good fit from here. Good PnR player, shooter, handler. Huge part of a very good team that made the finals. Still, I see the weaknesses—investing a lot in a no longer young player who isn’t going to help the defense.
What mildly suprises me is how committed you all seem to be to Fernandez. Don’t get me wrong—I want him for my team, for fairly obvious reasons. And I think he’s a good player. But IF you wind up with Turkoglu, it’s tough to see where the minutes are.
I have no idea whether the story of his unhappiness is true. But to say: shut up and earn the minutes, is, I think, a misreading of the situation. He obviously isn’t stealing minutes from your best player, and if you hand Turk $9 million a year, he’s going to play. Given the rest of the roster, you can’t expect someone who performed quite well as a rookie to be thrilled about that.
Before you jump down my throat, I understand Jonny Flynn is not an option for you guys—I’ve been arguing at Canis Hoopus that that doesn’t work because he isn’t someone the Blazers need. Frankly, I don’t see a match, unless we start talking about Kevin Love, who is better than you think he is, but that’s probably not something that would happen.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"But IF you wind up with Turkoglu, it’s tough to see where the minutes are."
Exactly. Handing Rudy’s minutes to an much older, much more expensive and not appreciably better (or even, I would argue, worse) player seems like a dumb idea to me.
man
We want good veterans PG and SF, Minny does not have any of that.
If you guys had drafted Curry I could see a Rudy for Curry deal, but even there I think our priority would be for a veteran PG
Rudy...
might actually be the most overrated Blazer ever.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Exxx-celllent....
all is falling into place per the master plan…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Pau Gasol to Zach Randolph
Chris Wallace. Need I say more?
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Rudy says it's all lies
http://blogderudyfernandez.blogspot.com/2009/07/flim-flam-stories-and-tapas.html
Pretty funny post, also
by kdn on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I believe this is Rudy's real blog...
Sorry if your post is clearly a joke. I’m not familiar with the blog you have linked to.
This off season sucks.
Not a single good news so far. Keep Rdudy and NO HEDO please.
i would be
devastated if rudy left. wow fml
Not a Blazer fan...
but from an outsider’s perspective, signing Hedo is a mistake for Portland. He’ll take the ball out of Roy’s hands, even in crunchtime, he won’t play above-average defense, and apparently his signing would piss of Fernandez.
I’d avoid moves like this, and roll the dice on Oden becoming dominant. If that happens, you’ll win titles. If not, you’ll still be a contender for a long time.
Hedo is not going to take the ball out of Roy's hand
This is a LIE. Hedo is going to take the ball out of Outlaw and Blake’s hands. He can only make Oden a better player, not suppress his development.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Turkoglu changes nothing
The one thing the Blazers were supposedly lacking this whole season was playoff experience, and we changed that. We have a glut of talent at small forward, with players who seem to still be improving, and so our solution is to add another small forward and shift travis over to pf? All while gaining nothing on defense and a few more rebounds and points on a team that has no problem scoring and a stable of quality big men? I know Turkoglu is supposed to bring in the veteran savvy, team leadership and fourth quarter shooting, but doesnt that sound like the kind of sentence another team would write about Roy, even in what’s only going to be his 4th season? I just don’t see how blowing all of our salary cap room for this one, moderate (at best) upgrade at a position with players that, while still not awesome, have shown nothing but improvement. We got rid of Sergio and Channing, we’re getting Martell back, we have the pieces to either trade or buy a talented young player in the next two years….and Turkoglu is supposed to be the best we can get? I dont buy it.
agreed
our supposed weaknesses were point guard and a backup pf. the “veteran presence” is overrated. everyone now has playoff experience. i’m not saying don’t make a move, but i changed my mind on turkeylu. too much money, too many problems would arise. if we’re going after a more “veteran presence” go after a pg like andre miller. questionable kp, questionable.
He changes a lot.
1. He can create off the dribble which none of our other wings can do except Travis.
2. He runs the pick and roll better than anyone on the team.
3. He’s a better defender than Travis or Rudy if only slightly.
4. He’s a very good passer, almost as good as Roy statistically and better than Rudy. Replacing him with Travis would improve the ball movement significantly.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but...
All but one of those abilities was qualified by a …“well, he plays it slightly better/the same as one of our guys”….which is the problem. Is it worth it to blow all of our cap space on a guy who represents a marginal improvement, and has his best qualities (fourth quarter shooting, leadership) negated by someone like Roy? Plus, he’s 30….he’s either at his peak now, or he’ll be hitting it next season, and he’ll be on the tail end of his career right when our young core will be peaking…I just dont see how he’s a sound investment by the Blazers.
I disagree.
We lost the Rockets series in part because the defense could preemptively swarm Roy. No on else could create offense and it ruined ball movement and left Roy with the entire load. Travis could score a little on his own, but he’s a bad passer and streaky so it didn’t work well.
Adding Hedu without losing a single player is pretty amazing. It frees up the Blazers to trade whoever they want and finally define positions going forward. I also wouldn’t call him marginally better. He’s significantly better than any of our wings, although defensively Batum has an important role to play,
It’s going to be good for Oden and LMA. They’ve never played next to a passing small forward before like Hedu. I predict a million dunks between them. It’s also going to be really good for the Blazers when they trade some combination of Outlaw, Bayless, Blake, Rudy for a legit PG.
Hedu+legit PG= good
At the very least it makes us the second best team in the West.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure.
It all depends on the next move we make. If we go into the season with Blake and a hundred small forwards it’s not going to work well.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit signs Charlie V and Ben Gordon for
5 yr, 40 mil and 5 yr, 55 mil respectively. I don’t know about you, but 5 yr, 50 for Hedo seems almost like a bargain now.
Ariza?
Plus, apparently Ariza is interested in leaving LA now. I dunno, if KP is set on getting a new SF, why doesn’t Ariza fit the bill? He’s young, insanely athletic, driven, and has nothing but upside….he showed that he could be a game changer. (And yes, he did wreck Rudy on that fast break….but to play devil’s advocate…the dude has cajones and the speed to back em up) Plus, we could get him for 7-8 mil, instead of 8-10 mil, hold on to a few of our overseas rights, and hopefully have some cap space left over to play around with in the event of a possible trade targeting a PG.
A couple reasons.
He can’t create off the dribble. We would just be adding another spot up shooter and you can’t trade Travis until you replace him with someone who can create offense. That would leave a crazy log jam of Batum, Martell, Rudy, Batum, Ariza.
That’s five spot up shooters. Adding Hedu means you can keep Batum and ship out whoever you want for a PG.
But yes, I love Ariza and would be totally down with him on the Blazers.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
KP needs to show interest in Ariza
If not to actually sign him, but to remind Hedo and his agent that there are other options, so they better take a fair salary.
I’d appreciate KP giving Ariza a fair shot though.
Who to move?
Right…but i dont think many teams will take Webster coming off of a season long injury, and Batum should stay…meaning we can only move Travis…and are left with 3 SFs, which is where we are now.
this is just....dumb.
KP is just taking up time while other free agents take the majority of the money out there… then the day the gates open hedo, ariza, kidd, etc may be looking at just mid level exemptions, and if we’re the only team pleasently under the cap, we could (unlikely) but could sign hedo, kidd, bibby… for peanuts on the dollars for single year contracts… or not. I’m dumb too :)
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sorry wasn't ment to be a reply ... eke
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
Quick Article Update:
The “news” that Rudy Fernandez is “infuriated” with the Trail Blazers for their interest in Hedo Turkoglu comes as a surprise to coach Nate McMillan and general manager Kevin Pritchard….
“The thing with Nate and I is we respect players – we both played – and we are always willing to talk,‘’ Pritchard said. "So if there really is an issue, we want him to know that we are open to talk about it.’’
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
Rudy was very clear on his blog...
he’s happy – the rumors are bogus
Everyone keeps saying
don’t take Hedo and go after all these other great free agents out there. Well, would somebody go ahead and tell me who this other great free agent is? Hedo is the best option out there right now. Dre Miller is nice but he’s not a huge upgrade from Blake. I think KP is realizing that this is going to be the best available player and after we sign Roy and LA next year to max contracts there isn’t going to be any money to be players in the 2010 FA market. Everyone just keeps saying “no Hedo” but doesn’t mention what the better option is.
by rydog9991 on Jul 1, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
But, but...
we could get Devin Harris for Blake and Outlaw! Then trade a first rounder for Tayshaun Prince! Offer Lebron the MLE next year and we’re set!
exactly
It doesn’t matter how he fits. He is the best assest on the market and this is the only chance to use our cap space. The right thing to do is sign the best player possible and hope it works well. If not, then you just trade him in 3 months, which isn’t even an option if you don’t go after him now.
by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Turkoglu is a pretty good defender.
Whenever I watched the Magic I always thought he did a good job despite looking slow and awkward. One of the guys over at the Magic’s blog did a nice summary of Turk and it pretty much confirmed my suspicions.
adj. defensive plus/minus
Mickael Pietrus: +1.16
Hedo Turkoglu: -2.76
opponent PER vs. SF’s
Mickael Pietrus: 15.1
Hedo Turkoglu: 13.2
net defensive plus/minus
Mickael Pietrus: +1.1
Hedo Turkoglu: -3.1
eFG% allowed
Mickael Pietrus: 47.6%
Hedo Turkoglu: 46.2%
The numbers for Pietrus are average but let’s talk about Turkoglu’s stats, which – I’m certain – will surprise people who don’t follow or do follow the Magic closely. The numbers indicate that Hedo was an excellent defender during the regular season. It’s clear that Howard’s presence (the reigning Defensive Player of the Year) bears an influence on the statistics, when looking back at Turk’s defensive stats last season in comparison to this season. So how good is Turkoglu, defensively, when taking that into account? Above-average, safe to say. He’s certainly not a liability on defense. An example, Hedo’s defensive work on Kobe Bryant during the fourth quarter in Game 2 of the NBA Finals.-thirdquartercollapse
David Thorpe agrees.
“He has length and feel. He’s a coordinated athlete. He’s also really tall and long. I don’t think of him as winning the battle on grit, but it’s not like there are a lot of times you watch a Magic game and think Turkoglu’s getting killed! When he’s engaged, I’d certainly say he’s a net positive for your defense.-Thorpe"
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions
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