The Plot Thickens: Rudy Mad About Hedo?
by Ben. on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
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Uh oh. Things just got interesting.
From Chris Sheridan at ESPN...
Portland's pursuit of a certain player from Turkey has infuriated the Trail Blazers' lone remaining Spanish player, Rudy Fernandez, to the point where he'd prefer to play in Greece, Russia or even Spain again, ESPN.com learned Tuesday.
A league source told ESPN.com that Fernandez has already been courted informally by European powerhouses Olympiacos, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and CSKA Moscow as word spread that the Blazers had become the apparent front-runners to land free agent Hedo Turkoglu.
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The Blazers have been made aware of Fernandez's feelings, the source said. The source added that Fernandez has not formally requested a trade but has expressed his dissatisfaction with the way he was used by Portland coach Nate McMillan over the course of his rookie season.
Click through to his full report to read the financial specifics and what would need to happen for Rudy to play abroad next year.
It's very difficult to imagine Rudy not being in the NBA next year. But perhaps this gives a little credence to potential trade whispers. At some point, something does have to give if you bring in Hedo. But I find it hard to believe that that "something" would be Rudy...
Speaking of Rudy, Casey Holdahl continues to hit homeruns with his coverage from Mallorca. Check it out!
Casey even took the following picture of a "furious" Rudy, clearly angered by all the Hedo talk.
IMPORTANT UPDATE::
4:33PM Check out this audio file of Rudy's assembled thoughts this week (likely taken before this morning's report) provided by Blazers.com World Traveler Casey Holdahl. A partial transcription...
I think it's difficult the first year... I think about my family when I'm in Portland... In Portland I'm very happy. The fans are incredible with me. The team is great, great players, great persons, I think everything is good.
Sergio helped me a lot in the transition the first year. But LA, Brandon, Joel, Travis everyone helped me transition to the team.
Everyday I think about Mallorca and Barcelona. My dream is to play in the NBA.
On Sergio's Trade...
I think it's an opportunity for Sergio to play in Sacramento. To play minutes. For me, I'm not happy that Sergio go to another team... but I have big friends in Portland, these are great guys. I'm happy because Sergio right now is happy.
Message to Fans in Portland...
I miss Portland, yes, for sure. I miss the fans. Thank you for coming to Mallorca to see the camp.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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id rather...
have rudy for $1 million that turkeyglue for $10 mil
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 34 recs
Yes. This is true.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
son of a ...
i hate this deal now, i hate turkoglu i hate orlando for trading for vince carter. we better not lose rudy
by HurricaneDayne on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hated it before
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Rudy for 10m and Turkoglu for 1m!!!!!!!
This Turkoglu thing is beginning to sound like it could destroy this team.
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even that.
but (I know so many other people hate to hear it but) TRAVIS HAS A BETTER PER, IS A BETTER CLOSER, AND IS YOUNGER, and his DEFENSE is better. And we already have him in our books and at half the freaking salary, AND HE IS GOING TO GET BETTER INSTEAD OF WORSE NEXT YEAR!!!
Yes, his lasting impression this year was choking against RON ARTEST defending him (Shocking right? One of the best defenders in the league shut down our third option).. But he is and will continue to get better. SAY NO TO HEDO, SAY YES TO TRAVIS! (I really like that that rhymes).
JAWESOME!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
6 yrs in the league...
Outlaw is what he is. He has reached his ceiling offensively. He needs to improve his help D and nose for rebounding the basketball for him to be valuable enough to keep.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 4 million.
Why do you think he’s reached his peak. Players tend to start to peak at 26, which is two years away for him.
Just being a third scoring option at 4.5 million is easily enough reason to keep him. Even without his ability to get his shot of wherever and whenever, and his ability to close.
Even if his defense and help side blocks were no-existent, which is not the case, he’s still more than valuable enough to keep. I mean your teams third option scoring, and a reliable and efficient one at that, you
A) Don’t throw away
B) Expect him to be the perfect player.
C) You’re not getting either of these things (D+R) with Turkey-glu
D) And you’re taking back a less efficient Offensive player.
I mean I think you guys are either crazy, or something some times, I mean HE’S OUR THIRD SCORING OPTION, FIRST OFF THE BENCH, WON 6 OUT OF 7 GAMES FOR US ALL BY HIMSELF LAST YEAR, AND HE’S BEING PAID PEANUTS!!!!
I have no idea what you guys are thinking. I mean of course he has holes, what player doesn’t? Certainly Turkey does, and yet he’s being celebrated around the league (FOR BEING A WORSE PLAYER THAN TRAVIS).
(Once again not usually CAPS-Centric, but holy god people let’s realize how our players actually stack up compared to the rest of the league, [and what they are getting paid]!!)
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i can't argue
and frankly i agree with most of what you said. I think travis would be a good piece to let go, but he DOES have value and we’d HAVE to see that value returned for him.
As for turkey boy… /facepalm. would be the first move by KP regardless of what stats or information he has that i’d be extremely upset about.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I would probably be more upset than you to see Travis go, but IMO he is dealable. But the trades generally have him as a throw-in to sweeten the deal, which seems to me like us not recognizing our own talent.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think alot of it has to do with a year from now.
When we would have to let him go for nothing as a free agaent. His payday will surely be more than 4mil, at the same time when Roy and LMA (I hope he doesn’t leave us for a Texas team) are going to be cashing in on their first big money contracts.
We surely can’t keep him under those circumstances. Why not get something in return?
But if Outlaw goes, Rudy will take over the “6th man” title, although I doubt his minutes will really increase.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Jul 1, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOO
I HATE YOU TURKOGLU OR However you spell your friken name
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
PUT RUDY IN THE STARTING 3 SPOT!!!(Or maybe Brandon)!!!!!!
We rarely use traditional sets, who needs traditional roles?!?!?!?
RUUDDDDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYY DOOOOON’TTTTTTTT GOOOOOOOOO :(
(I’m sorry I never get so Caps friendly, but this deserves it.)
JAWESOME!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it was Sergio
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going with Barack Obama
Yes he can receive input from Rudy.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Rudy...
But we should all get him some cheese for that whine.
by tmundal on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just read this BS
So Rudy was upset with the way he was used last season? I remember him saying after the exit interviews that he was relieved that he got playing time and that he was happy with the system.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Sounds like disinformation to me...
Rudy being unhappy about the Blazers getting Turk makes sense, but this article is a bit too over the top for me to believe.
by DC Blazer on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I´ve read Rudy saying in interviews in Spain:
1.- Best thing about Nate, he trusted on him, giving him playing time.
2.- Worst thing about Nate, he didn´t want to take risks.
3.- He doesn´t want to be almost only a three point shooter. He wants a bigger role next season.
by amlmart1 on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
does he sound unhappy?
hard to tell in a translation
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He´s not unhappy at all.
He loves Portland and the team.
by amlmart1 on Jul 1, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
if rudy only shoots threes...
he’s wasted out there. The guy moves without the ball which EVERYONE on the blazers should be doing.
Nate does that with webster too which irks the heck out of me because, as we saw when roy was out and webster was allowed to attack, he scores like crazy.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame Rudy, he pretty much just hung out on the 3pt line all season
trying to distract defenders from the paint. Maybe getting Turkey-Glue would free up Rudy for some of his plays fantasticos like from his Joventut days.
by 5Blazers5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
25 minutes per game, along with quite a bit of national recognition, the dunk contest, etc.
Why is all that something to cry about? He had a great rookie year and will continue to get better, and along with that will come playing time. Patience my dear Rudy! He will outgrow his role on this team sooner that we want, but until then, What does he want, ONE-HUNDRED and forty-eight minutes per game?
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Jul 1, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness me
This is a tragic turn of events. Is Rudy Fernandez > Hedo Türkoğlu?
by tominhawaii on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the money
We could have 10 Rudys!
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With just 5 Rudys...
We could form NBA Voltron!!!
by DonkeyShins on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
NBA VOLTRON!
I just spit tea out my nose!
by Arcturas on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why we need him
If we had Turky and somebody made a joke about 5 of him making Voltron everyone would just say you’re an idiot. I can’t make a better point than others already have about him making 1/10th the salary and being younger. Last season our best lineup was 3 guards with Roy at sf. We need a point guard, not a sf who can’t play defense and will screw up our chemistry.
by terryisntbald on Jul 1, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with Spanish guards?
Do they all have an inflated ego? Rudy was a nice player off the bench, but he didn’t deserve any more responsibility with the ball.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he wants an opportunity to grow as a player, that is fair.
I’m not saying he actually is mad or wants a bigger role, but Sheridan is probably mixing a little sensational journalism mixed speculation.
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The news on Turkoglu just gets worse and worse
and yes, Rudy for $1M is much better than Turk for $10M
by xman47 on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Forget Turkoglu
He is a bad fit and Rudy Fernandez will play in Europe!
And yes
RUDY > TURKEY
by Balian on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Rudy >>>>> Hedo
PLEASE KP DONT DO THIS!!
by ostateblazer on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So much for chemistry
Time for some KP Jedi mind tricks, or turn Nate’s plane around.
by Aleppiek on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont know if nash is the answer
but i have been singing the fire nate song for a while now
fire nate before its too late
by pipgras on Jul 1, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which leads to the question ....
…. what did you do with the money you were given for singing lessons?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 1, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he meant...john nash
shudders
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 1, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But guys....
he IS the Turkish Micheal Jordan…
by tmundal on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont give a damn who he is
Rudy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TURK
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He DOES look furious
I mean really, doesn’t he look like the Hollywood version of a serial killer in that photo?
by Corvid on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
clearly he was upset at the water temperature.
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heh
“Come out, come out, where-ever you are…”
He needs some tats – at least ‘LOVE’ and ‘HATE’ on his knuckles – to pull this off.
by DonkeyShins on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear that sound?
That was Twiggs’ head exploding.
by DonkeyShins on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm suprised I can even type right now.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rudy looks nothing like an NBA player does he?
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jul 1, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to get a "Trail Blazers 4 Life" tat on his stomach
only then will he convince me of his loyalty to P-Town
"Should I ask? What's a punani?" - by annthefan on May 3, 2009 1:55 PM
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that’s a package deal- you get “_ 4 Lyfe” and an AK-47 magically appears above it.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP can't let a player that isn't Roy whining effect him.
by tmundal on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is the Man
But he wont be with us 2-3 years from now, as he would be a starter for most other teams in the league. I love the guy, but perhaps we should trade him while we can still get top dollar for him
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
may be too late for "top dollar"
once news like this breaks, the other GMs will start lowballing KP, knowing that he “has” to trade Rudy or face dealing with another unhappy Spaniard
here’s hoping KP was “out in front of this” and already has a deal (including Rudy) for a PG in his hip pocket
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Na, he really wouldn't. He doesn't defend and has no game inside the 3 point line.
Down the road he could be, but right now Rudy gets too much hype from our fanbase
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This seems a little fishy
I thought Rudy was pretty happy about his role last year. After all it was his rookie year and he was getting 25 minutes a game.
If we lose Rudy and gain non-BE word Hedo this will be the worst summer…ever.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
a little dramatic, but losing Rudy over Hedo would be devastating.
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah maybe
But…SERIOUSLY? This is awful. I can only hope it’s not true. I don’t want Hedo. This would only add more awfulness to this already awful proposition.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
I think almost everyone here agrees that if it came down to Rudy and his rookie contract or Hedo and his 5/50mil…it’s a no brainer. KP, you know we’re in love with Rudy but for good reason. Don’t let this happen!
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Casey
“That shouldn’t be read as a declaration of discontent. Far from it. Rudy is quick to point out how satisfied he is with Portland, especially when it comes to the support of the fans in the Rose City and beyond,”
…I hope Hedo doesn’t change any of that
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was starting to warm up to Turkoglu.
This puts those feelings under liquid nitrogen.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
say no to turkeyglu
or however you spell his name…I’d much rather have a happy Rudy than a streaky Turkish Jordan. I think Rudy can man the 3 as well…
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times: I heart Portland!!!
by saregister on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What a god awful offseason this has become
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Here's your next headline
Rudy Forces Trade; Outlaw Re-Signs
- Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, Travis is gone
the headline will be
“Hedo in, Rudy out”
before the draft I thought we had maybe 18-24 months before the “Rudy dis-satisfaction” quotient reached critical mass. Little did I realize it would be closer to 18-24 days
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? REALLY?
Relax.
We drafted Pendergraph, Peppermint Patty Mills, and stashed Victor Claver; we dumped Sergio and C-Frye. So far everything else is hearsay. Off the ledge with you.
GG MFer!
-joel przybilla
by hossticles on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
Peppermint Patty Mills! LOL!!
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 1, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's play some cornhole
You can call yourself Peppermint Patty.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't doing nothing
sound a whole lot better now?
clearly part of KP’s devious plan. Toss out trades that the fans freak out about… and then let them sigh with relief when nothing happens.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems illogical
Why would Rudy even be mad? He does not play the same position and he and Turk would seem to have compatible games. Very strange.
by goblazer1 on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Turkoglu plays the 3.
For Rudy to get minutes, Roy needs to play a good deal of 3.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turkey vs. Spain has some history in geopolitics and basketball
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the US whipped both countries butts in wars within the past century-plus.
So? :) OK, I’m stretching it with the Turkey reference, as there was little if any direct engagement between US and Ottoman forces in WWI, but still….
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spain
did not fight in WW1 or WW2
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spanish-American War
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
missed the plus in century plus
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delicate topic. There was a bloody civil war in the 1930s with Germany and the Soviet Union involved as a proxy war
As depicted by Picasso, Dali, and in the famous photo of the dying soldier by Robert Capa
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guernica-great painting
There’s a reproduction hanging in the United Nations Security Council chambers actually.
Also Pan’s Labyrinth takes place right after the war formally ended.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen the original in Madrid. It's mighty impressive. You have that style to some degree.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks lol
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
La Belle Epoque
takes place right afterwards as well.
Good movies are set after the Spanish Revolution apparently.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 1, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both the war itself and the silence following it are absoloutely fascinating topics.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jul 1, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like Rudy is Greek
Then it’d all make sense…..
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on ppl...Turkoglu isn't that hard to spell.
by OneTrickPony on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or type Hedo
we’ll know who you’re talking about
by terryisntbald on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll type turkey
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you and what have you done with the real KP?
That’s my question. This Hedo mess is taking me back to the days of Bob “I’m not a chemistry major” Whitsitt. Ugh
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
by blazeraddict on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter?
Look, I think everyone wants rudy to stay with the team and watch him develop into a star caliber player, BUT he will never get the opportunity with roy at his natural position, and with the team shopping for another SF whether it’s turk or someone else. I think the consensus is that if we sign turk, we would then want to trade a package of players to New Jersey for Devin Harris in which rudy would probably be apart of the trade. Let’s just wish him the best and hope he doesn’t burn us too much down the line.
by nsizzle on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except Roy plays the 3 really well.
Especially with Rudy at the 2.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Roy doesn't like playing the 3
and has complained about it in the past.
by howlingfantods on Jul 1, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
You don’t force your best player out of position just to fit in a role player.
by lrh86 on Jul 1, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Roy doesn't like winning I can see why his complaint has legitimacy
if he does like winning when he plays the 3 the team plays much better.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, this is where we have the debate about offense and defense.
When Rudy Fernandez and Brandon Roy play alongside each other, Fernandez plays the 3 on offense and the 2 on defense while Roy plays the 2 on offense and the 3 on defense.
Now, if Roy complains about playing the “3,” my reaction to that depends totally on what side of the floor he’s referring to in that instance. If it’s on offense, then I agree with him; Roy should never be stuck on the weakside corner. If it’s on defense, then I disagree with him; Roy should be able to handle defensive assignments against bigger wings at times.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy has been consulted re: Hedo
And given the FA signing his thumb’s up
Give it a rest, that Roy-Rudy combo is not in the cards. They are both SGs
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy and Roy on the wings together work, at an astonishing level. It’s plain as day. It shows itself in both stats and when discussing their roles on the team. Not doing it is pure stupidity. Roy is perfectly capable, and actually better defending 3’s. Another thing that shows itself without question in the stats in every single year he’s been in the league.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I give up, you're right AS.
Go ahead and tell BRoy that we don’t want to hear his complaints and we’re going to force him to play SF, so we can accommodate your desire to play Rudy significant minutes because you spent 10 minutes researching some stuff on 82games.com. I’m sure that’ll go over really well.
by howlingfantods on Jul 1, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell B-Roy that the team has a much better chance of winning games
when he plays more at the 3 when Rudy is out there with him. I’m sure his desire to win will outweigh any of the rest of it.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not want to see Roy playing any position (major minutes) other than SG
So it won’t happen.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though he's been much better at SF thus far in his career?
There is zero reason he can’t play 10-15 minutes per game at small forward effectively. I’d suggest checking out the numbers for Roy at SF before you poo poo this.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but NJ wants a salary dump for Harris
not contracts
Turkoglu might very well take us out of any Harris talk.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps a third team could get involved?
Or we can re-sign Raef to a Keith Van Horn-esque deal (one year guaranteed), throw Rudy in the mix, and trade THAT to NJ?
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could still happen
and it wouldn’t hurt my feelings, none
like someone said, it’s Paul Allen’s funny-money, not mine
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we already renounced rights on Raef
Possibly a third team, but it may have to be someone with cap space, and they will probably want a nice piece for taking that hit.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think u can renounce bird rights
Although signing Raef to a partially guaranteed deal to trade for Harris doesn’t make sense since the guy they want to get rid of, Bobby Simmons, is also an expiring contract.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we hadnt renounced him
him would count as a FA cap hold
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOO!!! Raef was my favorite! Bwah ha! couldn't get through that without a laugh
by 5Blazers5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had the amazing skill set
to sit at the end of the bench, or in Kansas, and not make a peep.
An often overlooked NBA skill
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by jonestr on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake and Outlaw
have expiring contacts = 7.6 mil that would come off NJ’s books next July 1
Harris has a LTC at 8-9 per year
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he leaves i want turkoglu and nate out of portland.
Can you imagine how much he will be booed, if it even slightly looks like he had a hand in portland parting ways with rudy?
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not like this is Hedo's fault
Come’on, boo him? This is squarely on Rudy.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it isn't his fault , but you know how fans are.
If rudy sincerely came to the management, and asked for a more significant role. and they do this?
I would be pissed.
Nobody on this site even likes Hedo. You think they are gonna like him more if he pushes out a fan favorite?
Rudy was a star in spain, Nate is crippling him.
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate's not crippling anybody
He played 25 minutes a game his rookie year, many of those minutes coming in the 4th quarter. Rudy played a huge part in this seasons success.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
but i agree with yikes
nate doesnt do anything to make rudy better. he wants him to be a player that stands at the 3 point line and shoot a 3, which he is good at, when rudy can create for himself but nate doesnt like rookies having the ball in there hands.
fire nate before its too late
by pipgras on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nate doesnt like rookies having the ball in there hands.
Probably worth noting Rudy won’t be a rookie this coming season.
by Timmay! on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he'll play 10min, get his confidence destroyed and will start to get bashed by half of BE
Then there will be a bunch of guys that’ll start a Free Rudy campaign, and he’ll be traded after his 3rd year when he has lost all his trade value.
Oh, wait, nevermind, that was Sergio.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy's a lot better than Sergio ever was
Two different situations. I know lots of people in Spain gripe about Nate’s handling of Sergio (heck, God knows they do here) but I think it’s pretty simple: Sergio came over after an amazing couple of tournaments and he wasn’t ready for the NBA. Rudy clearly was.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, the nationalism going on here
is stifling.
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think
he was complaining about the way he will be used next year. it was about last year when he was a rookie. rookie gaurds have always complained about nate
fire nate before its too late
by pipgras on Jul 1, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else besides Sergio and (allegedly) Rudy?
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Jack miserable in his rookie season?
He complained about being jerked back and forth in his role on the team.
This might have been in his sophomore year too.
by Timmay! on Jul 1, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very few rookies get leeway
It’s kind of an NBA thing.
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about..
earl watson. and i dont know if luke complained publibly, but hisminutes doubled his second year just adding to the point that nate doesnt like rookies playing/controlling the ball
fire nate before its too late
by pipgras on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earl Watson only played under Nate McMillan during the 2000-2001 ...
season as a rookie point guard. McMillan, however, pushed Watson aside come playoff time at the backup point guard and replaced him with Randy Livingston — who was a tall, methodical floor general loved by “Sarge” for obvious reasons — which led to Watson leaving for Memphis as a free-agent that off-season.
Anyway, it was Antonio Daniels who pushed Luke Ridnour into a secondary role during the 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 seasons. In that case, though, I agree with McMillan’s decision, for Daniels was the superior player.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone surprised that rookies get treated like this
they’re learning on the team’s time. With very few exceptions that’s the way of sports. It’s nothing against new players, it’s something against players that keeping screwing up. Why is this hard to understand?
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy can't create for himself
without screens — he couldn’t even do it in the ACB. Why run P&R for Rudy when you can be running them for Roy, which a much higher-percentage play?
And Rudy standing in the corner waiting for a kickout doesn’t just mean that he’s gonna shoot it. It lets him head-fake a defender flying out to contest his lethal long-ball, then put it on the floor to dribble-drive and either finish or dish for an easy two. I’d argue that Nate did an admirable job utilizing Rudy last year.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy was TERRIBLE creating for himself
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And started a game in the playoffs...
Nate has not, in any way, crippled Rudy.
Look, I LOVE Rudy and all, but he is simply NOT a better player than Roy….no way, no how.
by antediluvian on Jul 1, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
using turkoglu in a sign and trade for andre miller?
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by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They already have Igodala and Thaddeus Young at 3
And Marcus Speights. No not happening.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A FA cannot be traded for 3 months or until december 15th, whichever is longer.
by dario argento on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the player is made aware that the contract is going to be traded
Then it’s ok.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio, Rubio and now Rudy....
I think I am done with the Spanish guys… all they do is complain.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No kidding.
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by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Carlos Navarro
didn’t last long in the NBA either…. of course, being stuck in Memphis is a lot different than being in Portland (or New York, or LA, or Miami, or some other city where you can party hearty all the time).
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Pau Gasol complained his way out of Memphis. He’s fine now that he’s on a championship team.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall hearing about Gasol ever complaining
He always struck me as a stand up kind of guy. Was he a whiner?
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking that for the last month.. or whenever Rubio
started making demands… Just been waiting for Rudy to say something. Hopefully this is totally off-base.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion of Rudy just went way down
I mean look at Bayless, the dude obviously wants to play more and he probably complains privately to coach Nate but all he does is say the right things to the press and work his arse off. I mean I am willing to look the other way from Rudy’s late night partying before games and his taking nights off but complaining like this is weak. Step your game up Rudy and complain in private.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who is better , turkoglu or rudy?
Thats your question right there.
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right now its turkoglu, but Rudy's upside is all-star.
by dario argento on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it even a question?
Maybe if you are talkinga bout future potential but right now it is Turk hands down.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Rudy is better given Turk’s minutes.
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by HurraKane212 on Jul 1, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
The Blazers are trying to make the team better and all Rudy (accorrding to the article anyway) cares about is his time. I like players who are concerned about making the team better even if it means less shots for them.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think that maybe he was talked into joining the team
with some promisese about a role or chances to prove himself.
He rejected offers 10x what he’s making with the Blazers. That’s sacrificing yourself for the team.
Watching the coach not using your potential and the GM sign a guy that’ll get your PT… that’s gotta hurt.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...explain to me
how Rudy was playing behind players that were not as good as he? Because it doesn’t look that way to me. I SERIOUSLY doubt Rudy received assurances that he would start…..and he most certainly was given chances to prove himself, and he did. He played extremely well for a rookie….but he’s not a better point guard than Blake, and he’s not a better 2 guard than Roy. He’s just not big enough to play the 3 in the NBA.
Rudy did a great job of creating a role for himself on the Blazers….just like the other players did. No more, no less. Let’s not make this into a huge Rudy-got-screwed thing….because he didn;t. When he left Portland, he was very happy about how well his year went. He wrote so himself in his blog.
by antediluvian on Jul 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now that's what I'm saying
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about starting?
I talked about a ROLE or CHANCES to prove himself. Please, try to read a little more carefully.
What I’m saying is that Rudy has many more resources, but he was used as a pure shooter by Nate.
Maybe my english is not as good as I thought, because every time I read the word “role” regarding Sergio or Rudy there’s someone jumping and turning it into “start”, and I thought there was a difference, but you’re making me doubt about my english.
I don’t think they said to him “Hey dude, we want a shooter that is willing to play for cheap and doesn’t mind to get buried in the bench if next season we bring some guy who’ll get your PT”, and that’s why I can perfectly understand Rudy if he’s pissed.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not even sure I should reply here
Rudy got a fair shake and was used well. What’s coming across in your posts is that you think Rudy’s much better than he is. He couldn’t do the things Roy does, he can’t create. His best assets were passing and shooting. When he tried to create off the dribble it usually ended in disasterously bad shots that would have got most rooks benched immediately.
Rudy’s a fantastic player, but it’s crazy pills to think he didn’t get a fair shake. To many of us, this just looks like amnesia.
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ok....
You didn’t explicitly state start, but when you talk about receiving assurances about his role (in most cases…that’s player ‘code speak’ for “you promised to make me a starter”)…and how the coach not using him to his potential……I’m just thinking you and I saw two different things this year.
Rudy was put in a position to succeed all year long by Nate. He was given consistent, major minutes, and often played when the game was on the line. He was given a great opportunity for a rookie, and he did well with it. Yet you sound like the coach and GM sabotaged him. And I just don’t see that. The only thing holding back Rudy was the players in front of him, and that’s where I’m making the statement that he was not better than those players and did not deserve to start, or even get more minutes.
Kevin Pritchard’s one and only job is to make the Blazers better….not keep Rudy happy. If bringing in another quality SF makes Rudy unhappy….sorry about that. The better player will get the most playing time. personally I hope that is Rudy. I really like watching him play…..but the team and coach are not holding him back.
You think Rudy is making a huge sacrifice….what about Roy. He should EASILY be the highest paid player on the roster, and he’s not even close. That’s by far a bigger sacrifice. I understand why Roy is not the highest paid player, but he COULD make a stink about it….but he never will.
I just hope Rudy doesn’t shy away from bigger and better competition….because that’s what will make the team (and Rudy) better. Again, I really like Rudy and hope he is a Blazer for a long, long time. But asking to be traded if a competitive player is brought in doesn;t make a person a better player. Quite often the opposite happens.
by antediluvian on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I know he wasn't tied to the bench or anything
But he was rarely given the chance to do anything else than run without the ball trying to get good looks. And it’s ok, he was a rookie who did pretty well, but a rookie after all.
Now he’s not a rookie anymore, now it’s his time to step up and prove he can do more things, but if the team signs a guy that’ll make it much harder for him to have PT, and that guy also needs the ball on his hands and usually runs pick’n’rolls, which neutralizes Rudy’s current strengths as he won’t be able to run through the paint without interfering with the play…
If you take away his strengths and don’t give him the chance to show what else he can do… that’s being in a bad situation.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is still on his rookie contract
So I don’t see how he could “easily” be the highest paid player on the roster. He will be once he signs his extension and gets off his rookie deal, but I don’t think he even could be before then. Not a good analogy to the Rudy situation.
For what it’s worth, I can see Rudy being somewhat upset that he was used mostly as a catch and shoot option and that there was not a lot of movement on offense a lot of the time. I don’t see it as complaining about minutes, but about how he was used. However, getting 25 minutes as a rookie off the bench in any capacity, especially when the team’s best player plays the exact same position, is pretty good. And considering that the Blazers offense was the most efficient in the league last year, they must have been doing something right.
However, If the Rudy news is true, then this just has disaster written all over it. Rudy could easily force a trade; if he were to refuse to play, how much is he losing? Like $1.5 million? Not that that’s chump change, but considering what he could make in Europe or what he’ll make once he’s off his rookie deal, it’s not that much. And I’m sure he still has plenty saved from his ACB days. If KP is forced to sell low on him AND we’re stuck paying $9-10M/year to a 30-year-old player whose production has already started dropping (if last year was any indication), then I have to ask: When did KP bring in Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale as player personnel consultants?
by MDBlazerfan on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is a good analogy.
Roy could easily be the highest paid player is he renegotiated his deal. And if ANYONE has earned that right, it would be Roy. That he has not asked for that, is yet another positive in his development as a player.
That other players, after only 1 year with the team (again….non-starting, and yes that DOES count), are grumbling about their role with the team (when they got BIG rookie minutes)….does sound a bit petulant.
by antediluvian on Jul 6, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that not your question?
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is a different player.
He’s played professionally for years. Bayless only has a year of college ball under him and has no proof that he can demand PT.
by dpnim on Jul 1, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody should be demanding playing time
You don’t earn the right to bitch and moan.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Rudy is complaining, he is doing it in private
If you listen to what Rudy is saying, he seems relatively happy with how things are going in Portland. He hasn’t been complaining or threatening to leave and go back to Europe, on the contrary he has repeatedly said that it is his dream to play in the NBA and he seems very committed to continuing to play there.
All this noise we are hearing now is coming from some “anonymous source” and not from Rudy himself. We have no idea who this anonymous source is or what ulterior motives he might have to spread around rumors about Rudy being unhappy. You probably shouldn’t take this seriously unless there is a more credible source for it.
by trk on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
deal Claver's rights, as well
no use waiting 2-3 years for him then have him start compaining the minute he gets here
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, if this is true about Rudy, let's drop all Spanish players from our team from here on out
I seriously think something’s been lost in translation though
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't I make comments green all by myself
The rec function simply doesn’t take intensity into account.
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Rudy didn't care
or supported Hedo coming. It would chop into his minutes. I don’t like that one bit. Rudy is one guy who need MORE minutes next season. I really don’t want to see him traded or benched. Plus I named my cat after him.
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I love cats
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given the choice between Rudy and Turkey-glue straight up
I’d take Rudy. If for no other reason than he’s a lot younger, and I think will be awesome.
BUT.
If it’s Rudy and, say, Trout vs Turkey-Glue and, say, Devin Harris…. that makes things far more interesting.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know
Can we just add Devin Harris to this mix because I didn’t wait 2 years of FA speculation to end up with HE-DONT
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by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Devin Harris has nothing to do with anything
New Jersey has Courtney Lee and just drafted Terrence Williams. They have zero need for Rudy.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy > either of those two
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have 3 players locked onto their team for next year
2 of them are shooting guards. It just doesn’t make sense.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JUST RUMORS! GOSSIP! RUMORS!
Rudy is under contract wit the Blazers… He has to honor that contract. He is locked in for the next three years.
These rumors have no teeth to them. I am curious who fabricated this crap.
by david1978pdx on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Lots of Spanish newspapers seem
to report rumors like this regularly.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are almost as bad as the french papers and their cycling doping allegations...
….though come to think of it….most of those turned out to be true ;)
by tmundal on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Rubio is honoring his contract...
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio isnt under contract yet
He’s been drafted, but not signed a contract
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is
His contract with DKV Joventut.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm talking about his buyout-contract
which he has NO intentions on paying. Even though he totally should.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has no choice
unless it is waived, he can’t just show up at the NBA and play without a buyout.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if we are agreeing or not? lol
My point is that Rubio seems to be a little selfish jerk. He OK’d his buyout with his former team and now he’s trying to make them drop it… so they’d basically be getting nothing for him leaving. Then he won’t play or even workout for certain teams… Gimme a break.
He’s going to be a Millionaire… so um yeah. Setup a payment plan that you can afford and stop trying to screw people. Or just go back to Spain and play there for a couple more years.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Rubio is doing what's in his best interest.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that the definition of selfish?
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's business.
The team would do what’s in their best interests too. Nobody will take care of Ricky unless he does. And apparently, he was very open to teams before the draft, so there’s no surprises here.
by Timmay! on Jul 1, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather be selfish than hypocritical.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Rubio's parents and agent signed any agreements made.
Until recently Ricky was too young to legally sign for himself. Might as well blame him for adolescence. It seems his handlers are culpable if anyone is. It amazes me that people are so quick to jump on Rudy, like a pack of hyenas or ravening wolves, based on some nebulous report that doesn’t seem to have a credible source as far as I can find. Why are people so ready to pull a player limb from limb at the first sign of perceived weakness? We don’t even know if these are Rudy’s sentiments.
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by annthefan on Jul 1, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you want to loan him the $6 million dollars so he can do that
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll let the ridiculously overpaid people of the world pay their own bills.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said he totally should
You’re asking a guy that made under $100,000 dollars last year pay a $6 million dollar buyout. Does that sound like something you’d want to do?
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
he can afford it. It’s not like he’s going to be making 20k a year over here. I’m asking a guy who gets paid WAY WAY WAY more than 90% of the world to act like a decent human being and do what he says he’s going to. Don’t agree to a contract just to back out of it when it inconveniences you.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
Rubio is not rich. He doesnt have 6 million dollars. He would have to take out a loan and basically play for free for a year or two. If he doesn’t want to play in Minnesota, why should he pay 6 million out of his pocket just to do so?
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by Rudiculous on Jul 1, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have to take out a loan and basically play for free for a year or two.
And even if he gets a Shaun Livingston type injury, he’s still on the hook for the money, with no income.
by Timmay! on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he could get a loan without a substantial personal injury insurance policy.
Banks aren’t that dumb… well maybe some are. Most the players in teh NBA are insured.
by Escrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 2 season guaranteed salary is much less than 6M$ after taxes
If he gets a carreer-ending injury he’d be with some 1.5-2M$ debt and no carreer
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually much worse than that.
Not sure if you know what income taxes in america is like, but making around 3 to 3.5 per year (what he’d probably get with the rookie scale at the #5 pick), after federal, state, and payroll taxes, he’s probably netting around 3 mill total over the two years.
After expenses (including relocation and so forth), it wouldn’t be surprising to see him $4 to 5 million in debt.
What a selfish bastard, refusing to go $4 million in debt to play for a dysfunctional and unprofessional club like the Wolves.
by howlingfantods on Jul 1, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has to pay
Or do you have some idea of how he plans to circumvent the rules? Screw the spanish IRS? Yeah, good luck with that…
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one expects the Spanish IRS
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy's got a point
he was severely underutiitzed last year. I was looking forward to seeing him given the opportunity to put his creative skills to use this year in pick and rolls. But if Hedo comes in, that’s not gonna happen, and Rudy, even if he’s getting 30 minutes a game (which is still quite plausible as Hedo could play half his minutes at the 4 spot), will essentially be used as a spot up 3 point shooter all year. Honestly, I don’t blame him for not wanting that. The guy has much more game than that.
This adds fuel to the line of thinking that moving Rudy, Outlaw and one of our PGs for a better PG is the way to go – maybe KP already has deals in the works?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah...he was still learning the game.
I think he was used just about right for a rookie transitioning into a different style of play. Next year with Turkoglu and Webster around, though, he would likely have a legit complaint. Especially since he should be getting more minutes than he did last year.
by erastus25 on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Dwight was right
and Rudy is best traded.
He is already among the top fifteen SGs in the NBA; and has potential to be an All-Star.
Unfortunately, he competes with a certain 2nd-team All NBA player for the job.
Rudy + cap filler (Trout?) to NJ for Devin Harris makes a lot of sense—even if we don’t sign turkey-glue.
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by EngineerScotty on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Jersey has no need for Rudy
they already have Courtney Lee and just drafted Terrence Williams. Both of whom are SG’s.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrence Williams will play small forward with the New Jersey Nets, although Courtney Lee ...
and Chris Douglas-Roberts should take up most of the shooting guard minutes on that team this season.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Rudy
is an upgrade over either of those guys at the SG spot, and a MAJOR one over CDR. “We’re all set at the 2-guard spot with Lee and CDR, so thanks but no thanks, KP!” is not likely to come out of Thorn’s mouth.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a team with 4 players signed for 2010
and 3 of them being SG’s doesn’t translate into a team that will want Rudy. Lee is a promising young player as is Terrence Williams who they drafted at #11 this year. If they’d want anything from us it’d be Bayless or Batum.
by as11osu on Jul 1, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barring any big trades, Terrence Williams will start at small forward for the New ...
Jersey Nets next season. As it stands, Courtney Lee and Chris Douglas-Roberts look to take up all the minutes at shooting guard. Small forward, however, was manned by a trio of junk last season (i.e., Bobby Simmons, Jarvis Hayes, and Trenton Hassell), so look for Williams to push them all to the backburner.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small forward, however, was manned by a trio of junk last season
Sounds like an opportunity for a guy named…Travis Outlaw
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the rights to Terrence Williams
would be coming Portland’s way, as part of the trade?
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate's Main Weakness
I believe Nate’s main weakness is he does not utilizes the talents he has. It happened with Sergio and it is happening with Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez.
by Balian on Jul 1, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would popovich be screwing rudy over like this ? or phil jackson?
I don’t think so. Nate is an Idiot when it comes to offense .
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only idiots can get you one of the most effecient offenses in the league
Seriously, man, think about that. You just called a guy an idiot that coaches one of the very best offenses in the league. Something just doesn’t add up. Nate’s got numbers to back him up, and you’ve just got you calling him an idiot.
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually agree with you regarding the offense, but I completely disagree with the notion Rudy was misused
Rudy was not a good pick and roll or isolation player. Nate catered to Rudy’s strengths, which is off the ball movement and 3-point shooting. Rudy got more baseline picks last year than Webster has gotten his entire career.
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by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you on the isolation part
as far as being a good pick and roll player, we just don’t know. I watched our whole season, we almost never let rudy run a pick and role. it happened so infrequently that we can’t possibly know one way or another wheterh he would have been good at it or not.
What I do know is that Rudy has great court vision and excellent passing ability, but we almost never put him in position to use those skills.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw enough pick and roll opportunites with Rudy to see he wasn't effective.
Rudy just doesn’t have the pull up jumper or finishing ability to be effective. His passing is overblown, he made plenty of dumb passes all year long resulting in turnovers.
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by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His passing is fun, and full of potential, but .....
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by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh? We saw Rudy run quite a few pick and rolls, but they ended with the PF popping most of the time.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need some bigs who can roll to the basket
I think Rudy could end up being a pretty good pick-and-roll player. However, the pick-and-pop is run better by penetrating guards like Roy.
by trk on Jul 2, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's so bad on isolations
that in the Olympics (when he had the chance) was hitting threes off the dribble in front of some guys named Bryant and Prince, maybe you’ve heard that names before, they’re supposed to be elite defenders.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw plenty of clanking when Rudy was isolated last year
He missed just about every shot he took off the dribble.
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by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's because
rarely was Bryant or Prince guarding him. If they were, hot fiyah!
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
despite that
he is not so good off the dribble as he cant or doesent square himself first
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Rudy is good in isolation situations?
I watched a lot of Joventut games the year before he came to the Blazers, and even to my amateur eye it seemed obvious that he would struggle creating his own shot off the dribble in the NBA. Even against ACB defenders Rudy needed a screen most of the time to shake loose. Would you disagree with that assessment?
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against ACB defenders with handchecking allowed yes
and even there he had some moves that were pretty efficient, like that step back three, but besides that move, with a pick he can really hurt defenses and allow his teammates to run off unbalanced defenders.
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by DaniBCN on Jul 1, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Rudy, but he didn't defend last year and his offensive game was unpolished.
He got the amount of PT he pretty much deserved
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was a 1st round pick
1st round picks have specific salary structure so teams don’t get screwed over paying for players like Shawn Bradley who suck as rookies. We didn’t low ball him, this is the price of being an NBA 1st round pick. You have to play for 4 years before you hit your payday
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by SuperDave on Jul 1, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really worried that KP has lost his touch
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Give it some time....
He may come out of this just like the jedi master we all think he is.
by tmundal on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
But, he still has time to come around.. he knows 100X more than any of us do… we just have to wait and see
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
starting to get there
if our offseason consists of adding Hedo, not improving the PG spot, logjamming our SF position, and torking off one of our favorite and most promising players, than I’m going to be carrying the torch and pitchforks myself.
But for now I’ll give KP the benefit of the doubt that KP has a 2nd move lined up that solves many of these problems.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Because Rudy is reportedly acting like a baby not happy with the way Nate used him?
First of all, that would be a problem with the coach and not the GM. Second, who cares what Rudy wants? He’s not the coach and he doesn’t have any say in roster decisions. If he doesn’t like it he can get back on a boat and go back to Spain. That’s not how it works in the NBA.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
because going after Hedo makes no sense anyway
and pissing off Rudy just makes it worse. I’m also still smarting from taking Dante Cunningham over Blair in the draft.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Even if upper management squashed drafting DeJuan Blair 'cause of injury concerns, Dante ...
Cunningham was still an imbecilic selection. Drafting Nick Calathes at #33 and stashing him over in Greece would’ve been my decision, with Ahmad Nivins then being selected at #55 instead of an undersized waterbug like Patty Mills.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imbecilic selection?
That KP, he sure is a moron.
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by iDea on Jul 1, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dante Cunningham was a bad pick, pure and simple
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.....are we still upset over a mid second round selection....time to let it go
It’s getting really hard to see to the forest through the trees right now
by ppilot on Jul 1, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what happens if a player flat refuses to play
what happens then?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean?
Then he’s an idiot and I don’t want him on this team anyway.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just saying
what happens if Rudy just sits out?
I have heard of teams sending players away, but never a player refusing to play over a long course of time.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
marbury did this last year.
SAY NO TO HEDO! SAY YES TO TRAVIS!
by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Marbury is an idiot.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
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by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marbury did not sit out, the Knicks told him to stay away from the team
There’s a difference.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He refused to play.
I specifically remember them asking him to go into a game and he refused. He wasn’t getting playing time and he wouldn’t play as some sort of protest.
After that they told him to stay away from the team. That’s the way I remember it anyway.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 1, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Nick Van is totally right, atleast that is the way I remember it as well.
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by TheOdenator on Jul 1, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked it up, you're right
I thought it was more of a Tim Thomas situation where the coach instantly hated the guy and told him to go home.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
told him to stay away from the team
you mean, like what the Blazers did with Daruis Miles?
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was told to
he did not do it voluntairly
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
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by jonestr on Jul 1, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
