Marc Stein: Hedo Eating With Nate, Touring Portland
9:33AM ESPN's Marc Stein just tweeted...
Hedo Turkoglu is having dinner with Nate McMillan tonight. Hedo's then touring Portland on Thursday. ESPN.com link forthcoming shortly
And here's a link to Marc Stein's ESPN piece.
Portland Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan is flying to Orlando to have a Wednesday night dinner with the Blazers' top free-agent target, Hedo Turkoglu.
Turkoglu's agent, Lon Babby, said Wednesday that Turkoglu will then travel to Oregon for a Thursday tour of the Blazers' facilities and meetings with Portland general manager Kevin Pritchard and assistant GM Tom Penn
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Turkoglu is widely expected to land with the Blazers as the first marquee free-agent signing of Pritchard's reign.
Chris Broussard on ESPN radio...
"There's no way he goes back to Orlando. They're not going to have the money. They offered him close to $9 a year for 4 years. Now that they have Vince Carter, Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis on the books... they won't be able to come close to that offer.
The only way he could end up back in Orlando is if Portland and Toronto withdrew offers or didn't make offers, if Detroit doesn't make him an offer and then he has to settle for the Mid-Level Exception, then Orlando could pay him that.
Portland can offer him $9 million dollars a year to start they are very interested in him. Bryan Colangelo is going to go hard after Hedo (ed. note: pause). He's dying to get him up there. He's going to wind up in one of those two spots."
More Chris Broussard on ESPN video...
Portland reached out right away to Turkoglu. They made him a priority. They can offer him a long term contract starting around 9 million dollars a year. Orlando can't come close to that...
Toronto also has a lot of interest. Detroit may have interest. Turkoglu will either go to Portland or Toronto. Portland is probably the favorite at this point.
Even more Chris Broussard on another ESPN video... he's exposing himself here...
He's going [from Orlando]. It's a neck and neck between Portland Toronto. I'm going to say Toronto because GM Bryan Colangelo is desperate to sign Hedo. He wants a starting lineup of Jose Calderon, DeMar DeRozan, Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani and Chris Bosh.
1:14PM: Jason Quick of The Oregonian...
Sources say Toronto is preparing an offer of five years and $60 million for Turkoglu.
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A source inside the Blazers said Turkoglu's signing is designed to provide more help for team star Brandon Roy, who was surrounded by defenders in a first-round playoff loss to Houston. Turkoglu, the Blazers figure, is such a good passer and shooter, that it would alleviate the pressure for Roy to create all the offense.
Turkoglu, 30, plays small forward, a position that is already heavily fortified for the Blazers. If he signs in Portland, it would probably signal a trade of either Martell Webster, Nicolas Batum or Travis Outlaw.
4:12PM: Jason Quick has reversed course, apparently, telling 1080AM The Fan that the Raptors are no longer in the running for Turkoglu.
Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel.
"I heard from five teams last night. Portland was first right at midnight," Babby said.
Asked if the Magic were one of those teams, Babby said, "I have not spoken with (General Manager ) Otis (Smith) yet."
The Magic are not expected to be in the running for Turkoglu after signing Vince Carter.
The other teams pursuing Turkoglu, 30, are likely to be the Detroit Pistons, Sacramento Kings, Toronto Raptors and Memphis Grizzlies.
Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel wishes Hedo happy trails.
I know, the free-agency period just started at midnight Tuesday and it's not yet official that Turk will sign with another team. I read the article where Magic General Manager Otis Smith hasn't completely shut the door on bringing back Turk. I even spoke with Turk's agent, Lon Babby, who also left the door cracked when he said, "I'm not ready to talk about Hedo and the Magic in the past tense."
Come on, can we stop kidding ourselves? The chances of Turk re-signing with the Magic are about the same as Bernie Madoff getting elected banker for the Monopoly tournament during board-game night at the federal pen.
John Canzano tweeted this morning...
Communicated with Hedo Turkolu's agent this morning... interesting stuff... I'll have the latest on the BFT 3-6 p.m. on 95.5-FM.
Dwight Jaynes on DwightJaynes.com...
It's a test, too - can this franchise lure a key player to Portland? Can Kevin Pritchard make this city a destination for good players looking to win a championship? Or are those players going to do what they usually do - stay with their original team for money or seek the big markets and/or the sun belt?
That's what we should all be thinking about. But just from the comments in the last few days about Hedo Turkoglu, I have a feeling a lot of Trail Blazer fans are pretty conflicted. Is this really the player who is going to put Portland over the top? Is small forward the position where you felt the most need? Is this a guy you want to see $50 million invested in?
Runyon over at the Trail Post feels strongly...
I never thought I'd see the day when Kevin Pritchard falls victim to that horrible specter known as "conventional wisdom" but here we are. We see a guy who has never been great produce well in one playoffs, and all of a sudden he's the hottest commodity out there. Why aren't we running his numbers through the thousand Nobel-worthy algorithms that we use in the draft? This is free agency in a recession, and we're the big buyer. We don't need to blow it on a guy that offers little marginal improvement.
Coup from Rip City Project with his take...
We agree that the signing would make Outlaw very expendable, but while I know it's a common thought to say "there won't be enough shots to go around", that angle gets overblown every single year around this time. Free agents know what kind of situation they are signing into, and do you really believe Hedo or Roy and Co. are going to complain if they're winning. On every championship team every year, there are players that could/should get more shots with another franchise.
Kerry Eggers of the Portland Tribune..
Two sources say they don’t expect small forward Hedo Turkoglu to land in Portland. The 6-10, 220-pound Turkoglu, 30, opted out of a contract with Orlando that would have reaped $7.3 million next season, and he rejected a four year, $35-million extension offer by the Magic shortly after the NBA finals.
"Anybody who’s a decent player, Portland might make a run at him," one of the sources says. "I think it’s more likely (Turkoglu) winds up with Toronto, but you never know."
Jason Fleming from HoopsWorld.com...
Will the Blazers convince Turkoglu they have the right place for him to sign what is likely to be his final big contract of his career? Both sides must be on the same page so far, since all of this likely leaves little room for Turkoglu to get the hard sell from anyone else (namely the Detroit Pistons, who were also linked to him initially).
Word from sources close to the Blazers is that if the team does sign Turkoglu the deal won't be for the widely reported number of $10 million per season - no word on what it would actually be.
Kelly Dwyer with his thoughts...
They're trying to add a guy who made his hay as a late-game finisher? Read that again. His value is inflated because of his late-game heroics. The team would be overpaying for something it already has in spades.
What is wrong with this picture? Why are they adding a player who is past his prime (Hedo's numbers dropped across the board in 2008-09, after hitting an NBA players' typical career-best at age 29, in 2007-08) to a team full of players that haven't even hit their prime?
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Portland, Hedo Turkoglu is 30. He's a fine player, but an average one, especially after you factor defense in. Please act accordingly.
More Dwight Jaynes on Rudy implications...
LATE ADD: The word around the league is that Rudy's agent has made it clear to the Trail Blazers that if Turkoglu signs with Portland, it's time to trade Rudy.
Henry Abbott weighs in over at Beyond Bowie...
"They all shoot and create. I don't know what their plan is, but if I coached, I'd always have at least two playmakers on the floor. Rudy, Hedo and Roy. So Rudy and Hedo are speed unit while Roy rests. (Hedo ran break for Magic, and was good at it.). All 3 in crunch time.
We know Rudy and Roy are nice together. And Roy and Hedo can have side P/R with Roy on weakside. Roy and Hedo can also be the backcourt of a HUGE lineup. And all 3 in crunch time.
It's Blake whose minutes might suffer the most, I bet.
I'll update this post throughout the morning with the latest Hedo buzz. Please help the effort by dropping any links you find in the comments. Refresh regularly!
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in Orlando
didn’t the article say that McMillan is flying to Orlando to meet with Hedo, and then Hedo will by flying to Portland to check out the the team facilties and the city?
by JasonT on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Nate is going to Orlando where were KP and Tom Penn today?
Another target that is flying undercover?
by lee3022 on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is wrong with this move?
KP has proven he can build through the draft. Even if Hedo doesn’t work out for us we’ll still be in good shape. Why not take the risk?
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better risks to take.
This is a big risk with not a lot of payoff. Best case scenario, Turkoglu is as god as he was with the magic last season. Which wasn’t terribly efficient. Big shots? sure. But what about the rest of the time? I’d rather have Roy at the 3 with Rudy getting more time, even starting than Turkoglu.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
Not god. Sheesh, you think I would have caught that.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good god
You’re right.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to overpay for an inefficient, turnover prone, mediocre defending, bad fit who is 30 years old.
Call me crazy.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your CRAZY!
lol. But seriosly, I’m willing to take risks right now. And at this point in time FA are only going to come to P-town if we overpay them. You are completly right though… Turk is too old and inefficient for the kind of contract he’ll demand.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on average, but Turkoglu has already statistically declined.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just had the second best season of his career
sure, his best was last year, but still not an indication of a decline
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, what it means is
last year was a fluke, look at this year and the years prior to see the real ability of Hedu, he is not worth 8-10 million per year.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of the same
Looking at the basic stat lines on NBA.com for Career Season Averages undoubtedly.
Not so much of looking at what a guy can do for your team or building the kinds of advanced statistical models that I’d be surprised multi-million dollar operations use routinely.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errr...
AREN’T using routinely. :)
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pessimistic maybe ...
… but never crazy.
btw – I’m not sold on Hedo either. It’s not so much as he is a bad fit, as it is that he fits in a spot we don’t really need help at. What I particularly am not in favor of is paying him 9 to 10 million a year. BUt it’s not my money, so I’m not going to complain.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with this. It's not the ideal fit, but the ideal fit doesn't exist right now,
at least no one that wouldn’t require parting with guys like Rudy and Nic.
There is absolutely no doubt this team is better with Hedo. We were pathetic in the postseason on the offensive end. We had two guys and a bunch of spectators who couldn’t get their own shot or rise to the occasion.
Hedo gives us the #3 man in the postseason.
This team is a ton better come the playoffs with Turk in the fold.
Stop complaining.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
That is not looking forward to a decent season followed by an inept floundering first-round ejection watching guys you want to be better actually fail to be so.
Would Turkoglu be a financial risk? Yes. Does he make you better when it counts? Absolutely.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think mcmillan is having some say in this,
if it’s nate flying out to meet him first. if nate was against this, i doubt kp would be sending him for a first impression.
by richardb on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Nate's call
we know that KP likes to make the draft picks and is great at making those crafty moves where we don’t loose a lot. But Nate has been dying for a veteran player, and frankly i think nate wants to win now (just like every coach) and hedo might be the answer. I think this isn’t the best deal and in a few years we might be overpaying a little bit, but overall you have to pay for talent, and hedo can bring a lot to this team.
by StocktonNEP on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Oh!
Maybe…maybe…we’re gonna turn around and trade him…I hope.
by Dub9 on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know
I am just hoping we don’t plan to keep him for too long. Like KP has a brilliant plan…I hope.
by Dub9 on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know this
BAD BAD BAD and this is not a tribute to MJ. PLEASE NO!!!
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett just posted in response to someone who said you can't on his blog that you can.
So long as the FA is aware of the trade, and it is completed as a sign and trade. My pipe dreams are still alive!
by Titlein2011 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
The sign-and-trade is an exception to the Dec.15th or 30 days rule. Under that scenario the Blazers would end up with Hedo.
The real question that the CBA itself is unclear on, and the league hasn’t ruled on yet because no one has actually tried it is when can you trade a signed-and-traded player.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q80
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Coon #76:
Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team’s free agent.
by pualo on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are we going to do with Webster?
by socalblazer on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another trade is in the works
Hopefully its Bayless, Rudy, and Outlaw for Harris, moving Web to the 2
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you've been reading my mail, I see
yes the salaries would match on that trade
but if the Hedo rumors were true, the next phase will be a S&T for Andre Miller
(and may God have mercy on our souls)
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reading your mail? Sry I don't get it
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned the Bayless, Rudy, and Outlaw for Harris trade proposal
about a half a dozen times on Ben’s initial Hedo post, early this AM
If you came to it on your own, then all I can say is
“brilliant minds think alike!”
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and I mentioned it 2 or 3 days ago in my own post. It’s been picking up steam ever since. ;-)
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be sweet but highly unlikely on NJ's side
If they could find a way to pair up Harris and leBron next summer that’d be nuts
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was before
we thought we’d need to “match” salaries because ALL of the cap-space would be eaten up by…the Turk
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will drop to a 45 win team overnight
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Just Doesn't Feel Right...
I know I am just a casual fan… not an expert by any means… But this just doesn’t feel right. I could maybe deal with signing Turk but then turning around and trading our young, developing talent for an aging Miller who while good isn’t great…or likely to get better. That just doesn’t feel like a plan KP and management would put together.
It is possible I am blinded by my overall distaste for Miller. I admit it… he’s not my choice by any means. Couldn’t we still realistically get Kirk for the same pkg. minus Rudy?
by Ilikeemall on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice name...long lost twin
the only reason we would drop to a 45-win team is if McGrady/Yao miraculously comeback healthy, if Artest re-signs with Rockets or any playoff team, the L*kers get Amare, Chandler is healthy, Bass re-signs/Howard comes back healthy with Dallas, and if SA’s roster remains healthy going into post-season.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webster can't even run yet.
I think we all need to accept that Webster may never recover from this injury and/or may never be able to consistently play a meaningful role on the Blazers. Might be a deadweight contract that sits on our books awhile. IMO, that signing was the worst move of Pritchard’s stint so far…
by redblazer on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I love how in the Free Agent Signing fever, people totally forget about the players still here.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not Just Webby
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm... interesting
so we sign Hedo, then trade Troutlaw and others for Hinrich… Surround Oden with 4 shooters and 3 good ball handlers… Sounds like a completely legitimate team and move.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like the PG target is Andre Miller, not Hinrich
not to mention, if Detroit signs BG, Hinrich is going to be off the block.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want Miller..
not that he’s bad. But i’m pretty stuck on Hinrich
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone saying that?
Hinrich isn’t off the block if Gordon goes. They are paying $10 million for a guy to backup Derrick Rose. If we trade Outlaw and Blake for Hinrich, We get our guy at PG and they get a much more reasonably priced backup PG, not to mention a 6th man to replace the departer Gordon.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Ben Gordon signs with the Detroit Pistons, then Kirk Hinrich will play around 28 minutes ...
per game backing up John Salmons and Derrick Rose and both guard positions. Sadly, I bet that if Gordon goes to Motown that Hinrich stays in the Windy City.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what they were sayin' yesterday
the only thing that KP would have to offer (assuming the Turk signing) is the expiring contracts of Blake/Outlaw for cap relief
Blake/Outlaw + 7.6 mil coming off the Bull’s cap next spring > Kirk?
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN just said today
that both sides PDX and Philly said no thanks to the proposed trade
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller stays in Philly
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jul 1, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean surround Oden? Oden is a project at this point, he shouldn't factor in to our
offseason plans. He hasn’t proven he’s going to be anything more than a 10/10 guy,
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he really does
Much of what you see in this team having championship aspirations as currently structed virtually relies on Oden becoming a major component.
If not, then you absolutely have to get a solid post game from Aldridge or a major shake-up of the frontcourt is almost inevitable.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they misplaced a decimal or two in their advanced stats
You would have thought the common sense meter would have kicked in, but apparently not.
by Furious Styles on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side, this would necessitate another move. Outlaw/Turkey/Martell/Nic ain’t exactly gonna’ be thrilled with 48 minutes.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
been saying it since early last night. Signing Hedo means Outlaw plus one of Batum, Rudy, Nic are on the block, along with Blake or Bayless, with the objective coming back being a PG obviously
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do we gut our team and chemistry for one or two players?
I can’t see turk and hinrich making us that much better. I would rather have Prince! I can’t stand that we are going for one year of success. Why trade or get rid of most of our young talent for another man that dominates the ball. I could be wrong and hope I am.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you propose we get Prince?
Will it be for ZERO of our players, like getting Hedo would be?
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't make a strong point
I would rather have my small forward spot with Prince, Nic, Web than Turk, Nic, ?. I also don’t dig us giving up rudy, bayless, blake, and others for a point guard. Rudy was the only other gamer besides roy in the playoffs, so I can’t see us getting rid of him. I iike our depth and I can see is losing some of it with a move like this. A strong 8-9 man rotation is better than a 6-7 man rotation in my book.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the rotation.
Blazers have great depth for sure, but at positions like PG and SF, we dont have clear cut starter. Nic is servicable at best, as is Blake. If KP can take some “servicable” talent, and turn them into solid starters, I am all for it.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy should be considered untouchable
batum as well.
for the obvious reason that they are yoiung, extremely talented, and incredibly cheap.
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy should be
but yesterday “heymoe” shared a conversation he had with a “long-time Blazer rep” who intimated that Rudy was unhappy with his role, prior to the trading deadline last season
take that for what it’s worth. If Hedo is signed, Rudy’s PT may suffer and he could eventually wind up complaining, like Sergio
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is untouchable
if you can turn Rudy + Outlaw and maybe a third piece for a serious upgrade at the PG position (and no, Hinrich doesn’t count in my book), then you do it and don’t look back.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Roy is going to command massive minutes at SG and Rudy isn’t an ideal player at the three spot. Eventually it will come to a head. I fully expect he’ll be gone within a year or two.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people use "dominates" the ball so much?
Turkoglu’s ability to handle the ball at his height is a major asset, not a detriment. I see at as one of the decidedly big factors in this move being looked into in the first place.
If a team like Houston (with great defensive rotation) forces the ball out of Roy’s hands, at least now you have another guy who threatens to drive, dish or shoot from range.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Both Turkey and Outlaw can play back up PF minutes too.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooooh
between LMA and Turk, we’ll have the most physical PF position in the league. pick and pop and pop and pop and pop and pop and . . .
by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, and for everyone who thinks Martell is the guy who will be dealt
ask yourself, would you have traded for Sam Bowie, back in 1986?
Webster’s gonna be a Blazer until at least next winter, if not longer
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which sucks
because it hurts the remaining pieces’ trade value.
“Oh, you’ve got 4 small forwards? Well, if you don’t give me what I want, you’ll be stuck with them…”
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be Rudy
who’s traded to ease the wing logjam, not Nic or Marty
KP’s stuck with Webster until he’s back healthy
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw and Webster should be a non-factor in our decision making. Neither player is
special in anyway, and both are easily replaceable
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Turkoglu means the end of Outlaw and Rudy.
Rudy’s not going to be happy with 10 minutes behind Roy.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy and Roy
worked well as a tandem in the playoffs. Rudy will still get his 25+ minutes, rest assured.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's going to play PG?
the reason Roy-Rudy worked was because Webster was hurt and Roy could slide to the 3
with Turk and Batum (and Martell) around, that ain’t happenin’
unless Nate uses Hedo at the 4 with Rudy and Roy at the 2-3
and doesn’t care about the defensive shortcomings of those 3 players…
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's going to play point forward?
The big question is who brings the ball up
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, who defends the opposing PG?
but maybe the Blazers “don’t care” about that anymore? Maybe they’ll play a sagging zone and dare the other teams to beat them with 3-pointers?
But if Roy or Rudy are going to play a lot of PG, why do the rumor-mongers say they’re looking at a S&T for Andre Miller?
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one?
Hand-check rules make effective shut-down defense of fast perimeter players impossible?
by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can’t we play Broy & Rudy at the guards, Hedo, LA, and Oden? that would give us a deadly shooter, a solid low post-high post combo, and a great 1-2 creative option. Rudy’s defense is underrated and probably better than hinrich/miller/blake, and i think that tall lineup would cause problems for other teams…
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really saying
that Rudy plays better D than Hinrich? Maybe Miller/Blake. That leaves one known defender at the 5 and we all saw last year when GO was our last line of defense.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich has peeked out on his abilities.
Give Fernandez more than 9 months of NBA basketball before you come to a conclusion on his D.
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by Net Ranger on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could work Hedo the 3 playing the One roy and Rudy all together
Rudy 2 Roy 3 that works right.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like.
Nate is such a defensive minded coach and player that I just don’t see him diggin this move. There are a plethora of small forwards that play better defense. I can either see us signing and trading or going over the luxary tax so we can also pull in a pg and backup 4. I have to think that you have to please brandon with his request for a banger. Hope Bass is in the cards?
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree re: Nate and defense
but maybe he’s reading the writing on the wall (from KP and Paul Allen) and will be willing to loosen things up a little?
should be fun to watch, not sure if it’ll be effective in May
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan has always been a putrid defensive coach, but for some reason he gets the moniker ...
of being a defensive-minded coach. I don’t quite get how he accomplished that, but it’s surely served him well financially over the past several years.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was a good defender with Seattle
At least, he was tough.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seemed to do a good job with the defense in the Olympics.
Lebron credits him with his new defensive intensity.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 2, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to
Frank Isola of the NY Daily News, the Blazers are going to make a push for David Lee, not Turkeyglue.
Portland is expected to make a strong push for Lee, who averaged career bests in scoring (16 points) and rebounds (11.7). Detroit and Oklahoma City also have the cap room to make Lee a substantial offer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/07/01/2009-07-01_kidds_midnight_madness.html#ixzz0K1iO28P1&D
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NY columnists have been writing this for months.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my point is that
I think KP is throwing the spaghetti against the wall just to see what sticks, and cause confusion. I don’t see the Blazers signing Hedu or Lee, or any other “major” FA. I really believe that Kp wants something more than what is out there in free agency, and a lopsided trade is the best way to do that.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Nate is flying to Orlando and then Hedo is coming to Portland tomorrow
as a smoke screen? Get over the denial stage, this team wants Hedo and is the heavy favorite to sign him.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sure was to Kevin Durant.
Just to see if anyone would bite. There was no way that they weren’t taking Oden, but they did all that anyway. And that was a sure thing.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely different.
They HAD to scout Durant. it’s typical to bring potential rookies in to town for workouts, it isn’t typical for a coach to fly out and meet a potential FA.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A draft pick is a lot different than a free agent signing.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, KP has always functioned like a magician. Look at this hand while the trick is being completed with the other.
I’m going with Barrett, and that this is all a sign and trade. As Barrett noted a sign and trade with a FA can be completed so long as the player is aware of the deal.
I get the discussions that with the pursuit of Hedo the Blazers are not puting out smoke screen, but with having to wait until the 8th for transactions to go through you have to put out smoke if you have alterior plans. It is more likely that the Blazers keep Turkeyglue, but I still have my dream in tact for now.
Bring on D. Harris!
by Titlein2011 on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career 32% shooter on threes.
We already have Bayless if we need a PG who can get to the rim but bricks 3-pointers.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that...
32% on step-back, isolation three-pointers late in the shot clock?
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're signing Hedo to a 50 million dollar contract
So they can trade him in 6 months? That makes absolutely no sense.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the team's television play-by-play announcer has no grasp of the CBA, ...
it should come as no surprise that run-of-the-mill fans are massively confused that newly signed free-agents can’t be dealt elsewhere until 12/15/2009.
Anyhow, Mike Barrett, Mike Rice, Brian Wheeler, and Antonio Harvey should be fired from their jobs. I, in turn, want to see Kevin Calabro and Steve “Snapper” Jones on the television side, with a veteran, unbiased play-by-play announcer paired with Dr. Jack Ramsay as the intelligent color commentator on the radio side.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett was a huge proponent of signing Hedo
ever since the playoffs, so why is Mike sending the “this could be a smokescreen” message now?
besides, Barrett didn’t even know the “can’t retrade a signed FA until Dec 15th” provisal
(he looks nice on camera and is smart, but not that smart)
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it appears we are just pawns in this game
KP and the Blazers are known for doing their homework, so it does not suprise me that Nate or even KP will meet with Hedu, or that they would fly him here to take a look around. This not only allows them to get to know him better and to make their final decision, (which I believe will be to not sign him) but it gives the impression out to every other GM that Portland wants him badly.
So yes I think it will turn out to be a smoke screen, and that the Blazers will use their cap space not to sign a FA, but to make a trade for a true difference maker.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this is right.
If it looks like Portland is really interested in him, maybe it talks another team into using their cap space here instead of with someone else.
Or
It knocks all the other players out of the market, leaving Turkoglu at a much more reasonable rate.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
you don’t burn all your credibility with agents by hotly pursuing their clients, only to pull out at the end and say “sorry, it was a smokescreen.” That’s bush league, and you won’t do well in the business for long.
Face it folks, Hedo is target #1.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way you do it is to make too low an offer
for the smokescreen player (Hedo), knowing he will refuse it. Meanwhile, the team and agent for the player you really want (Hinrich), thinking they are about to lose you as a trade partner, quickly agree to a reasonable deal with you.
No one can hold it against you if it’s a game that all teams are playing.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but I seriously doubt Hinrich the Blazers #1 target right now. He may be 4 or 5 on the list, and even the 2nd piece in a 1-2 combo, but he’s not the homerun we are going after.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is a homerun?
really? I don’t see it. He does good things, but he is no homerun.
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by koyote on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if you're gonna low-ball Hedo's agent
why make cross-country travel plans?
the “low” offer could’ve been made in less than a minute with a cell phone call
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Killing two birds with one stone.
Nate’s visiting relatives in Florida. Or going on vacation.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Toronto is the front runner to sign him
with Portland and Detroit tied for 2nd
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make it happen Toronto.
Make it happen.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets start emailing colangelo
pretending to be Raptors season ticket holder who will protest and bail on our tickets if he doesnt sign hedo
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they can check your IP address
so make sure you route it through an Ontario-based server
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you spell things the same way that Canadians do
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOl
Lets get on this!
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Coangelo.
Let’s sign Turkey Glue, eh? He’s a real good guy, y’know. Sure, he doesn’t play ‘ockey, but we’d like him anyway, eh?
Sincerely, eh?
A Raptors fan.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Blazers are linked to everybody!
Drive everyone’s price up until we eventually just sign some low-cost vets.
It’ll be the Blazer’s revenge for the Darius Miles fiasco.
by BlazerTag on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst idea in the world
Why would we pay a PF $10 million per year to ride the pine?
by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be highly surprised
In my opinion, the only time the Blazers were probably interested in Lee was at the time of the Z-Bo trade. He’s an ineffective center (and we have Oden/Przybilla) and he’s not worth splurging on for Aldridge backup minutes.
Someone has to factor out how this works for me to come close to believing it.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they'll be eating Pizza.
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Turk
When Jameer went down more of the ball handling duties were carried by Turkoglu and by Alston.
Granted, Turkoglu hit some big shots in the playoffs but BROY is the guy who handles the rock in the 4th. I’m having a hard time convincinv myself the Turk is the answer to our offseason needs. He’s going to cost a lot of dough. Get a damn PG.
"Oh yeah? You can Derelique my balls."
"I can Shavlick my own balls."
by Terry Gamble on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same
Turk does take some offensive load off of Roy, but I fear he will demand the ball too much. Plus, I’m not sold on Hedo as a defender. I feel we could do better this offseason.
by SloppyJoe on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B Roy will still get the ball in the 4th...
Hedo will provide insurance if team’s like Houston decide to double team Roy from end-to-end, which happened last year.
ROY CANNOT HAVE THE BALL AT ALL TIMES FOR 48 MINUTES.
Thanks.
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why this rationale is so hard to understand
It’s seems to be the clear motivation here.
The better question is whether or not it’s an overreaction to the submissive effort against Houston.
Personally, I’m not positive that it is. I don’t know if some of our players are either going to be good enough to compete in the playoffs or have the mental capacity to overcome nervousness or find that extra gear.
On the flip side, it may be that some of the players were so focused on finishing up the regular season and making the playoffs that they didn’t have the mental preparation or stamina for actual competing in the post-season.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the playoffs was a 6 game sample
the regular season (where we had the 2nd most efficient offense in the league) was 82 games.
If doubling Roy is our Achilles heel, then it would have happened more and worked better. It’s not like Houston was the first of think of it.
Also Houston had Shane Battier and Ron Artest. Think that mattered a little? We shouldn’t retool the team just to improve matchups against one team.
by austinpwnz on Jul 2, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Houston has superior defense
But that’s also typical of playoff teams. Given that it happened and the Blazers struggled to find a way to counter it, this courting of Turkoglu does make some sense.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 2, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone complained last year about the give the ball to Roy and everyone watch offense..
We had to do that because we didn’t have another guy on the roster capable of creating offense.
Turkoglu will play well with Roy. Definately take some pressure off him and then late in games gives us another guy who can make clutch shots if Roy is doubled.
Plus it opens the court up for Roy to penetrate
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the only reason I like Hedo coming here. That and Point-Forward action.
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hedo means either Rudy or Nic is gone, I’ll be really bummed. :(
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It has to mean that.
As well as Outlaw. I know most people assumed that Outlaw is gone. But minute-wise, either Rudy or Nic get 10 minutes tops. That isn’t going to work.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic only had 15 minutes last year
Not a big dropoff.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But for the guy who was the deal breaker at the trade deadline?
I think KP would want to open up more room for him, not squeeze him out.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum isn't ready.
Why do you think he was out of the rotation in the playoffs? He’s not ready to be a true starter (30+ minutes) yet. Another couple year, maybe. He’ll seamlessly fill the void when Hedo leaves.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but what about Rudy?
Turkoglu here means that Roy will hardly ever play the 3, which means Rudy has no minutes either. I’m not okay with that.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo would have to be the backup 4, essentially.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and Rudy worked as a guard duo in the playoffs.
Look, bottom line is KP has a plan and if his track record proves anything it’s that this said plan will make our team better. What happened to “in KP we trust?”
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it happens, I'll find a way to be okay with it.
But that’s doesn’t mean I’m okay with it yet.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But KP’s swinging for the fences on a spitball.
Does Hedo really make the Blazers a championship contender? I don ’t think so.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically...
Rudy will be the first guard off the bench to play 1/2. Bayless will likely only play when both Miller (I’ll go with Miller since first part of supposed Turk/Miller chase has proved to be true) and Roy sits.
Turk becomes the backup 4 and first F off the bench is likely to be Batum. Maybe Pendergraph or whoever we bring in sees small minutes at PF when both LA Turk sits.
It makes for interesting lineup for second rotation, definitely geared for running and gunning. Obviously, I am trying to sell myself on the Turk signing…
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy at the 1 was a disaster.
That’s why it didn’t happen often last year.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Still, he is more of a disaster as backup 3 and we have Batum and Webster to think about as well. Like it or not, he will be the first guard off the bench and will man minutes at 1 and 2. Where else do you think his minutes will come from? Also, how happy is he going to be if you played him solely as backup 2?
You might see bit more Bayless early in the season, but as we approach the playoffs we will cut down to an 8 man rotation and that means Rudy is the de facto backup 1/2. Of course, all this is moot if Bayless has a coming out party next season.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If KP signs Hedo
he’ll have a lot of damage control to deal with
rebuilding “trust” takes longer than establishing it
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic didn't play much against the Rockets because
of matchup problems, not because he wasn’t ready.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Blake gets no minutes, or new PG gets little minutes
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just means Outlaw is gone.
Basically, Hedo replaces Outlaw. Anyone who doesn’t think that is an upgrade needs to take off the rosy glasses.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if nic leaves the devastation will be complete
but its an upgrade over outlaw obviously
s
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this makes me giddy
as stated, this clearly means we will be pursuing another player. we’re overloaded at SF. if signing turkoglu brings us closer to devin harris (without losing rudy!!!) then i think i might just die happy.
by richardb on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How does signing Hedo bring us closer to trading for Devin Harris?
Unless it’s the Pritchslap with the longest time to happen, i.e. acquiring Hedo now and trading him some time around Christmas or at the deadline again.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s winding up his arm… it’s a pritchslap with three months of tension!
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, meanwhile, hope he breaks it, so he'll be physically unable to sign Hedo Turkoglu's contract.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chicago keeps Hinrich and we sign Hedo,
plus our bad announcers, and you lost your home team… not a good year for AK1984.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Even more freard than the Pritchslap
Is the Delayed Pritchslap. You know it’s coming, but you don’t know where or when…
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather will be SAAWEEEEEET tomorrow.
Hedo will love it. As hot as Orlando but not as humid.
Can somebody in the know find out where Hedo will be tomorrow so some of us crazy FANatics can go tell him he needs to sign here for 5 mil a year so we can win a championship next year?
Actually I just wanna see him in Portland, that’d be so cool
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow. Hedo will get a false impression of Portland weather haha
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure he will be somewhere in Gresham
go out there and wait.. we will let you know when its safe to come back
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stay as far away from Gresham as possible
I only go to there to hit up Caberat II
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you should go out there and root for Hedo
and when he leaves town you can come back
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously don't like Hedo for some insane reason
So whatever I’m gunna leave this one alone
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
insane? no.. just not worth anywhere NEAR what he is asking. maybe half that.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be glad come game 83 next season
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know.. he mailed it in during the finals
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His whole team did
Over the playoffs though his % both 2’s and 3’s went up drastically. Our current players’ went down. He is a matchup nightmare and constantly puts pressure on the D. Remember when Roy would getting doubled and we couldn’t find other offense (happened a lot against good defenses). Not a problem with Hedo on the court
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you think getting an average to above average player is worth sacrificing all the progress we made with cap room so far? I sure don’t. Sure he played well in the early rounds of the playoffs, but he is not worth more than 5-6 mil a year.. ESPECIALLY in this economy
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
You can’t teach what he has on offense, and he’s a heady defender, overall smart player, but I only like this trade if there is another one to follow
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his defense is suspect at best..
i wouldnt mind getting turkoglu for a mid-level or 6 mil contract.. but quite frankly for 10 mil thats absurd
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ten Mil is not absurd for his talent, 4 or 5 years would be though
3 years 30 Mil is ideal
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you disagree?
I thought his and rashards play killed any chance they had of winning
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your best bet would be to hang out around the practice facility in Tualatin all day.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't sound like you are "in the know"
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was more like common sense.
If they’re bringing in a FA to have a look around you don’t think they’d want to show off their practice facility?
by JoeBlazer on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah thats true
that’s a ways to drive in traffic at a chance of meeting him though
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think they'll keep that a secret
to throw off the “no Hedo!” protest mob
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
prolly right damn
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Turk, then turn and trade him away...
Anyone remember how long Kenny Anderson lasted in a Blazer uniform? Why not sign Hedu for free, then turn around and use him to get the trade you really want?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting.....
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
harris is the key to the future
Signing turk would allow us to trade any combination of players to get the point guard we let slip away 2 years ago. 6’3 pg that can shoot, drive, and dish will make everyone in the line-up better. GO and LA will get easy baskets, spot up shooters can do exactly that, and roy can save his knees by not having to do everything late in the game to will a victory. Devin can help bring it home. Joe Kinch would love this type of pg.
by nsizzle on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol Who is this?
Did you just compare my game to Devin harris’? Awesome :)
nsizzle huh? hmmmmm…. Nick?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newly signed players can't be traded until December 15th
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or 3 months after they are signed
which ever comes first.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
learn something new everyday
thanks for the link.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
loop hole
If a player knows he’s going to be traded the sining of the free agent will be listed as a “sign and trade” which is perfectly leagal.
http://tinyurl.com/naumst check out Barret’s Blog he explains it here.
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by nuggz503 on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the limitations of the sign-and-trade
Orlando signs Hedo and then trades him to us. Can Portland then re-trade Hedo to another team in a separate deal? From the Salary Cap FAQ:
For sign-and-trade transactions, the initial trade which completes the transaction is obviously allowed, even though it occurs right after the player is signed. What’s not clear is whether the player’s new team can subsequently trade him prior to three months or December 15. While a literal reading of the CBA might suggest that such players cannot be subsequently traded, the league actually considers this situation to be undefined, and won’t resolve the matter until a team actually tries to make such a trade.
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt that just be a three way trade?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were do to a 3-team trade as part of the sign-and-trade that would be allowed
but due to all of the salary matching involved 3 team trades are rare.
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Barrett isn't completely whacked after all.
The three team trade thing seems like it would be legal.
1. Orland signs Hedo and trades him to a third team. In return they get some small token from Portland.
2. The third team gets Hedo and gives a player with equivalent salary to Portland.
Orlando participates because of the small asset they gain from us, plus a huge trade exception that they might have a use for later.
A three team trade isn’t hard when one team has cap space. Is there a reason this couldn’t work?
by pualo on Jul 1, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A deal like that seems possible under the CBA
But
If Hedo would end up in not Portland, why is he coming for a visit?
Also one of the difficulties in putting together a sign-and-trade is that the signed player becomes a BYC and thus has a higher salary for trading purposes
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't trade until Dec 15
I really think KP wants Hedo on this team, and I’m on board with that.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this could totally happen.
I just love the fact the KP is tying to get things going. So long as we don’t burn him at the stake before he can complete all his trades to get the guy we really want.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Anderson was in Portland for a year and a half
I really don’t think that his situation is the same as Hedo’s
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is similar
You sign the best player on the free agent market. Not because he fits your team perfectly, but because it is a great way to get a free asset.
Come Dec, you will have one more assest then you had if you were to just ignore the situation.
We have cap space. You either want to get the best assest or the best fit. Which is actually available right now?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 1, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on another FA note
With both Boozer and Okur opting to stay with the Jazz, it puts the Jazz over the luxury tax line before they even consider Millsap’s new deal. The Salt Lake Tribune has a story on it today, looks pretty improssible for them to match Millsap’s $10million per year demand, as that would cost them clost to $20 million next year to match.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Detroit and OKC are the frontrunners for Millsap
allegedly, anyway.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what its worth.....
Chris Broussard on espn says raptors are likley to get turk….. he said colangelo really wants him.
by kwestfan on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PleaseBeTruePleaseBeTruePleaseBeTruePleaseBeTrue.
by BlazerTag on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also says Gordon likely to be a Bull…
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't dislike Turkey..
I am just with the few who think he’s asking a little too much. I just think we can spend our money better on a backup PF who can bring us some toughness off the bench for half the price he’s asking for.
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by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
5 year $50 million is too much. I hope we can talk him down, but historically free agents are overpaid for, and what else would we use the cap space on anyway? Sign and trade for a PG, use the trade exceptions we have to sign and trade for a backup PF.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Historically, yes
But this economy changes everything
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might get him for 4 at $9M
The teams with more money don’t want him, so he isn’t going to have too many options. Even Orlando doesn’t have the money any more to offer him the 4yrs/$35M they did before the playoffs.
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by hoopla-pdx on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy but Hedo is gonna put us near 60 wins...and
we have someone other than Broy that can be a triple threat with the ball at all times…
i hear the defense argument but our offense as it stands (hopefully LMA/GO improves), will not win games in the playoff.
btw, Portland wants Hedo…Nate is not gonna have dinner with Turk to trade him away…that’s a waste of a dinner
PG to be named, Broy, Turk, LMA, ODEN…is an awesome lineup
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
by broyposse on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
FINALLY!
Someone else who really like this move. I completely agree with you and most of this site will soon enough as well.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% Agree
I just said pretty much the same thing.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unlike your love advice
you are WAY off my friend
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOT WOOT!
Rec to the moon…
When’s the next BE Basketball Night?
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you guys play? At The Hoop?
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. People value our own players too much, and only want to change the roster
for like the perfect/ideal fit.
Well that isn’t happening. There is nobody we can get that fits into this team ideally.
It’s cute to play with the youngest roster and have a bunch of homegrown guys, but this is the Western Conference. YOu have to improve. If we don’t make this signing we’re probably not getting out of the first round next year.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Turk...
KP better make it up to us by getting Devin Harris as well
by Furious Styles on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Even better
Forget about Turk, and get Harris anyway!
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a player like Hedo
Tough, Veteran, and someone else who can take the big shot and someone else besides Roy who can run the offense. the PTB were fun to watch last year but it was always very tough when Roy was out of the game.
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by mxpx5678 on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Captain Kirk
Having Hedo will enable the Blazers to package TO with Bayless and the 3$M exception to Chicago to complete the trade for Kirk Hinrich.
by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you can't package a trade exception
you can send upto $3 million in cash in a trade however. The Blazers would need to add one more player to make that work, Hinrich’s salary is $9.5 million, Travis $3.6m, and Blake is $4m. So you need someone else included who makes about $1million or slightly more.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the trade machine
Outlaw+Blake for Hinrich works. And I would relly like that trade if we got Hedo.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually be willing to do the Hinrich trade now
If we actually do wind up with Hedo. I was completely against Hinrich trade because of his deficiencies as a playmaker and inability to get his own offense, since I want to see another guy who can create his own shot in the starting lineup. But with Hedo on board, Hinrich makes very good sense as a lockdown defender and spot up shooter. I preferred Miller in the absence of Hedo because of his ability to create for himself and others, but with Hedo, Hinrich makes better sense.
Of course, D Harris >>>> anyone else not named CP3 or DWill.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did kirk...
get this reputation as a defender? from what i’ve seen throughout the years, his defense is only marginally better than blake…
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beats me
But according to good % of posters at B-edge, he’s the cross between Gary Payton and Rodman in terms of defensive ability.
He is a good defender, though.. He’s more of a cerebral and doesn’t lose his guy type of defender than turnover generating ballhawk. Or as I like to call it, the anti-Outlaw.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second-team all defense
and good adjusted plus-minus, plus he’s always gotten good anecdotal praise from rival players and coaches. It’s hard to quantify defense but Hinrich is better than Blake on just about any defensive measure you want to look at.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need glasses
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that getting Hedo
makes the need to upgrade the PG position even less important, at least from the Blazer’s perspective
they may feel they can “get by” with Blake and Bayless once they have a “point forward” option
we shall see
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
usmcr
Maybe that’s why the Blazers drafted Cunningham from Villanova. Maybe he’s a player Chicago coveted and had the Blazers draft him to throw into the trade package? Won’t he make close to $1M?
by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be...
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't use his contract in a trade
until Dante signs it, which may be as early as next week
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then the Blazers could use his contract in a trade for 30 days
in one of the exceptions to the Dec 15th trade rule
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q80
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dante Cunningham's draft rights can be traded as of this moment, however.
Still, the Chicago Bulls are set at power forward after drafting James Johnson and Taj Gibson.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw for Blake works per the 125% rule.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I guess it depends
on if the assumed salaries of Hinrich, Blake and Outlaw are correct or not. Storyteller has told me before that Blake and Outlaw’s salaries listed on his site were confiremd by a source inside the Blazers. So if Hinrich’s salary for this year is exactly $9.5 million this it works, because 125% of $7.6 million is exactly $9.5 million. So if Hinrich is actually making slightly over that number then it doesn’t work and someone on a cheap contract would have to be thrown in.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah so it is
ok then so the only question is, would we do Outlaw/Blake for Hinrich, I know I would.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
outlaw > hinrich. blake = hinrich. hinrich = overpaid and overrated.
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better root for Detroit not to sign Gordon, then
and for the supposed Andre Miller S&T to fall through
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Bayless for Kirk!
He is not that much better, and way overpaid.
by Titlein2011 on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland/Philly Trade a no go
The Portland Tribune reports Kevin Pritchard shot down a rumor that Portland would send Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw to Philadelphia in a sign-and-trade for Andre Miller.
“No,” Pritchard said in a text message when asked if the trade would happen.
“Nothing to it,” a 76ers representative told the newspaper.
Taken from ESPN insider.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this means the target is...
Hiiiiiiinrich! I’d much rather have Hinrich than Miller.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Though truthfully, I’d rather stay put and see what this Bayless character can do in his second year, rather than stuffing him to the end of the bench again.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Blake would make Bayless the backup PG
He’s get like 15-20 minutes a game. That’s plenty to prove himself.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, Miller too old and spendy.
Get Kirk or Devin Harris for a PG.
I like how our options are getting clearer day to day.
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would MUCH rather see Ariza suit up for us...
…And it also is looking like Hinrich is going to stay put.
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by NoiseMekanik on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Broussard says that Gordon is likely to stay in Chicago. I dunno what that does to Hinrich.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher and Stein also report Gordon is going to sign with Detroit
He’s with Dumars right now……so it’s just a waiting game at this point.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
other reporters (Bucher, etc) have intimated
that if Gordon walks, the Bulls will keep Kirk
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Turkolu is signed, I will be disapointed, but hopeful
If Ariza is signed. I’m taking a break from thr Blazers.
It’s not the Rudy thing. Well, it kind of is. Ariza plays out of control, especially on defense, which is why he tried to phase his arm through Rudy’s head to make a play on the ball.
I’ve watched T.A. for a while, and it’s always been the same, high energy, sure, but at a high cost of Basketball smarts.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why the Pistons are going for Gordon.
What happens to Rip Hamilton? Why pay Gordon bank to be a backup?
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rip and Prince
For the Blazer trade exception….

Yeah! That’s the ticket!
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing about Hedo...
is that we’ll probably win 60 games next year, cause he will help us, and we’ll here “what a great signing it was, he helped our team so much, blah, blah, blah,” but the reality is that we could have done much better…ticks me off!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Who?
People keep saying we can do better. Who exactly is REALLY available out there? Harris isn’t, Prince isn’t. We can’t sit on the money until next year. So I ask again, WHO?
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFA: Artest, Odom, Ariza, Kidd to name a few...
UFA: Marvin Williams….and then you have to take into account we SHOULD be able to make moves for the Battiers, Prince’s of the world with the cap space & assets we have, look at what Cavs & Spurs did, significantly upgraded at needed positions while giving up junk…hoping this happens, and a SIGN AND TRADE FOR ANDRE MILLER DOESN’T QUALIFY!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston isn't trading Battier. And I'd rather have Turk, Rudy, and Batum then Prince.
There is something to be said for the fact we get to keep our talented youngsters if we sign a free agent as opposed to dealing for a guy like Prince who will cost us top players.
Artest I agree with. I’d rather have him. Odom, no way. Ariza isn’t leaving LA unless we overpay. Kidd doesn’t defend, and can’t shoot. How exactly does that help us come postseason?
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all about winning playoff series
and winning in the playoffs is (usually) all about defense and rebounding
Hedo helps with neither. But if Portland advances to the WCF, the signing will be deemed a success
if the Blazers get bounced in the first round the next 3-4 years, KP will have a “cleanup in aisle 3”
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning in the playoffs is about creating mismatches. Hedo is one of the biggest mismatch guys in the league
It’s ridiculous to say he brings nothing to the table that would help us in the postseason.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah with out Hedo Orlando would not have made the finals.
He has an all around game thats pretty solid
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how I feel....
If he wears the red and black I will cheer for him, if he dosn’t I will cheer for the front office !
by kwestfan on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question...
1. We all know we need a 3rd scorer. We’ve known that since the regular season so going after Hedo isn’t shocking or a bad idea.
2. And here’s the question:
If we get Hedo, why do some of you assume that this is KP’s only move? It’s KP’s second move, not his first.
His first move was to get LaMarcus in the draft. What was his 2nd move? Getting Brandon.
Wait for the 2nd move here kids.
by superset5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Signing Turkgolu would screw with the Blazer salary cap for YEARS to come.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no cap room after this year anyway
We have to extend Roy and Aldridge. We won’t have any cap room for 15 years with or without Hedo.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. You guys act like we can just keep this cap space year after year. We can't.
We’re about to throw mega deals at some of our core players. This is the last chance we got to add free agents.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it won't....
our cap has been screwed for at least a decade and now we have money and we get our 3rd scorer.
Wait for the SECOND MOVE.
by superset5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your shout for patience is like a fart in a hurricane.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I’m in the “wait for the next move” camp, instead of the “I will jump off a bridge if Hedo is signed” camp. EOM.
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by G_dubs on Jul 1, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait for the season and playoff result before complaining.
I don’t get worked up unless I see a fall off.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
money money money
people are all complaining about money, you just cant get a game changing player without paying for it.
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say a significant upgrade at any given position would change the game
and he is an upgrade over

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