Marc Stein: Hedo Eating With Nate, Touring Portland
by Ben. on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
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9:33AM ESPN's Marc Stein just tweeted...
Hedo Turkoglu is having dinner with Nate McMillan tonight. Hedo's then touring Portland on Thursday. ESPN.com link forthcoming shortly
And here's a link to Marc Stein's ESPN piece.
Portland Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan is flying to Orlando to have a Wednesday night dinner with the Blazers' top free-agent target, Hedo Turkoglu.
Turkoglu's agent, Lon Babby, said Wednesday that Turkoglu will then travel to Oregon for a Thursday tour of the Blazers' facilities and meetings with Portland general manager Kevin Pritchard and assistant GM Tom Penn
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Turkoglu is widely expected to land with the Blazers as the first marquee free-agent signing of Pritchard's reign.
Chris Broussard on ESPN radio...
"There's no way he goes back to Orlando. They're not going to have the money. They offered him close to $9 a year for 4 years. Now that they have Vince Carter, Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis on the books... they won't be able to come close to that offer.
The only way he could end up back in Orlando is if Portland and Toronto withdrew offers or didn't make offers, if Detroit doesn't make him an offer and then he has to settle for the Mid-Level Exception, then Orlando could pay him that.
Portland can offer him $9 million dollars a year to start they are very interested in him. Bryan Colangelo is going to go hard after Hedo (ed. note: pause). He's dying to get him up there. He's going to wind up in one of those two spots."
More Chris Broussard on ESPN video...
Portland reached out right away to Turkoglu. They made him a priority. They can offer him a long term contract starting around 9 million dollars a year. Orlando can't come close to that...
Toronto also has a lot of interest. Detroit may have interest. Turkoglu will either go to Portland or Toronto. Portland is probably the favorite at this point.
Even more Chris Broussard on another ESPN video... he's exposing himself here...
He's going [from Orlando]. It's a neck and neck between Portland Toronto. I'm going to say Toronto because GM Bryan Colangelo is desperate to sign Hedo. He wants a starting lineup of Jose Calderon, DeMar DeRozan, Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani and Chris Bosh.
1:14PM: Jason Quick of The Oregonian...
Sources say Toronto is preparing an offer of five years and $60 million for Turkoglu.
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A source inside the Blazers said Turkoglu's signing is designed to provide more help for team star Brandon Roy, who was surrounded by defenders in a first-round playoff loss to Houston. Turkoglu, the Blazers figure, is such a good passer and shooter, that it would alleviate the pressure for Roy to create all the offense.
Turkoglu, 30, plays small forward, a position that is already heavily fortified for the Blazers. If he signs in Portland, it would probably signal a trade of either Martell Webster, Nicolas Batum or Travis Outlaw.
4:12PM: Jason Quick has reversed course, apparently, telling 1080AM The Fan that the Raptors are no longer in the running for Turkoglu.
Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel.
"I heard from five teams last night. Portland was first right at midnight," Babby said.
Asked if the Magic were one of those teams, Babby said, "I have not spoken with (General Manager ) Otis (Smith) yet."
The Magic are not expected to be in the running for Turkoglu after signing Vince Carter.
The other teams pursuing Turkoglu, 30, are likely to be the Detroit Pistons, Sacramento Kings, Toronto Raptors and Memphis Grizzlies.
Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel wishes Hedo happy trails.
I know, the free-agency period just started at midnight Tuesday and it's not yet official that Turk will sign with another team. I read the article where Magic General Manager Otis Smith hasn't completely shut the door on bringing back Turk. I even spoke with Turk's agent, Lon Babby, who also left the door cracked when he said, "I'm not ready to talk about Hedo and the Magic in the past tense."
Come on, can we stop kidding ourselves? The chances of Turk re-signing with the Magic are about the same as Bernie Madoff getting elected banker for the Monopoly tournament during board-game night at the federal pen.
John Canzano tweeted this morning...
Communicated with Hedo Turkolu's agent this morning... interesting stuff... I'll have the latest on the BFT 3-6 p.m. on 95.5-FM.
Dwight Jaynes on DwightJaynes.com...
It's a test, too - can this franchise lure a key player to Portland? Can Kevin Pritchard make this city a destination for good players looking to win a championship? Or are those players going to do what they usually do - stay with their original team for money or seek the big markets and/or the sun belt?
That's what we should all be thinking about. But just from the comments in the last few days about Hedo Turkoglu, I have a feeling a lot of Trail Blazer fans are pretty conflicted. Is this really the player who is going to put Portland over the top? Is small forward the position where you felt the most need? Is this a guy you want to see $50 million invested in?
Runyon over at the Trail Post feels strongly...
I never thought I'd see the day when Kevin Pritchard falls victim to that horrible specter known as "conventional wisdom" but here we are. We see a guy who has never been great produce well in one playoffs, and all of a sudden he's the hottest commodity out there. Why aren't we running his numbers through the thousand Nobel-worthy algorithms that we use in the draft? This is free agency in a recession, and we're the big buyer. We don't need to blow it on a guy that offers little marginal improvement.
Coup from Rip City Project with his take...
We agree that the signing would make Outlaw very expendable, but while I know it's a common thought to say "there won't be enough shots to go around", that angle gets overblown every single year around this time. Free agents know what kind of situation they are signing into, and do you really believe Hedo or Roy and Co. are going to complain if they're winning. On every championship team every year, there are players that could/should get more shots with another franchise.
Kerry Eggers of the Portland Tribune..
Two sources say they don’t expect small forward Hedo Turkoglu to land in Portland. The 6-10, 220-pound Turkoglu, 30, opted out of a contract with Orlando that would have reaped $7.3 million next season, and he rejected a four year, $35-million extension offer by the Magic shortly after the NBA finals.
"Anybody who’s a decent player, Portland might make a run at him," one of the sources says. "I think it’s more likely (Turkoglu) winds up with Toronto, but you never know."
Jason Fleming from HoopsWorld.com...
Will the Blazers convince Turkoglu they have the right place for him to sign what is likely to be his final big contract of his career? Both sides must be on the same page so far, since all of this likely leaves little room for Turkoglu to get the hard sell from anyone else (namely the Detroit Pistons, who were also linked to him initially).
Word from sources close to the Blazers is that if the team does sign Turkoglu the deal won't be for the widely reported number of $10 million per season - no word on what it would actually be.
Kelly Dwyer with his thoughts...
They're trying to add a guy who made his hay as a late-game finisher? Read that again. His value is inflated because of his late-game heroics. The team would be overpaying for something it already has in spades.
What is wrong with this picture? Why are they adding a player who is past his prime (Hedo's numbers dropped across the board in 2008-09, after hitting an NBA players' typical career-best at age 29, in 2007-08) to a team full of players that haven't even hit their prime?
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Portland, Hedo Turkoglu is 30. He's a fine player, but an average one, especially after you factor defense in. Please act accordingly.
More Dwight Jaynes on Rudy implications...
LATE ADD: The word around the league is that Rudy's agent has made it clear to the Trail Blazers that if Turkoglu signs with Portland, it's time to trade Rudy.
Henry Abbott weighs in over at Beyond Bowie...
"They all shoot and create. I don't know what their plan is, but if I coached, I'd always have at least two playmakers on the floor. Rudy, Hedo and Roy. So Rudy and Hedo are speed unit while Roy rests. (Hedo ran break for Magic, and was good at it.). All 3 in crunch time.
We know Rudy and Roy are nice together. And Roy and Hedo can have side P/R with Roy on weakside. Roy and Hedo can also be the backcourt of a HUGE lineup. And all 3 in crunch time.
It's Blake whose minutes might suffer the most, I bet.
I'll update this post throughout the morning with the latest Hedo buzz. Please help the effort by dropping any links you find in the comments. Refresh regularly!
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didn’t the article say that McMillan is flying to Orlando to meet with Hedo, and then Hedo will by flying to Portland to check out the the team facilties and the city?
by JasonT on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Nate is going to Orlando where were KP and Tom Penn today?
Another target that is flying undercover?
by lee3022 on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is wrong with this move?
KP has proven he can build through the draft. Even if Hedo doesn’t work out for us we’ll still be in good shape. Why not take the risk?
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better risks to take.
This is a big risk with not a lot of payoff. Best case scenario, Turkoglu is as god as he was with the magic last season. Which wasn’t terribly efficient. Big shots? sure. But what about the rest of the time? I’d rather have Roy at the 3 with Rudy getting more time, even starting than Turkoglu.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
Not god. Sheesh, you think I would have caught that.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good god
You’re right.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to overpay for an inefficient, turnover prone, mediocre defending, bad fit who is 30 years old.
Call me crazy.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your CRAZY!
lol. But seriosly, I’m willing to take risks right now. And at this point in time FA are only going to come to P-town if we overpay them. You are completly right though… Turk is too old and inefficient for the kind of contract he’ll demand.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on average, but Turkoglu has already statistically declined.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just had the second best season of his career
sure, his best was last year, but still not an indication of a decline
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, what it means is
last year was a fluke, look at this year and the years prior to see the real ability of Hedu, he is not worth 8-10 million per year.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of the same
Looking at the basic stat lines on NBA.com for Career Season Averages undoubtedly.
Not so much of looking at what a guy can do for your team or building the kinds of advanced statistical models that I’d be surprised multi-million dollar operations use routinely.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errr...
AREN’T using routinely. :)
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pessimistic maybe ...
… but never crazy.
btw – I’m not sold on Hedo either. It’s not so much as he is a bad fit, as it is that he fits in a spot we don’t really need help at. What I particularly am not in favor of is paying him 9 to 10 million a year. BUt it’s not my money, so I’m not going to complain.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with this. It's not the ideal fit, but the ideal fit doesn't exist right now,
at least no one that wouldn’t require parting with guys like Rudy and Nic.
There is absolutely no doubt this team is better with Hedo. We were pathetic in the postseason on the offensive end. We had two guys and a bunch of spectators who couldn’t get their own shot or rise to the occasion.
Hedo gives us the #3 man in the postseason.
This team is a ton better come the playoffs with Turk in the fold.
Stop complaining.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
That is not looking forward to a decent season followed by an inept floundering first-round ejection watching guys you want to be better actually fail to be so.
Would Turkoglu be a financial risk? Yes. Does he make you better when it counts? Absolutely.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think mcmillan is having some say in this,
if it’s nate flying out to meet him first. if nate was against this, i doubt kp would be sending him for a first impression.
by richardb on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Nate's call
we know that KP likes to make the draft picks and is great at making those crafty moves where we don’t loose a lot. But Nate has been dying for a veteran player, and frankly i think nate wants to win now (just like every coach) and hedo might be the answer. I think this isn’t the best deal and in a few years we might be overpaying a little bit, but overall you have to pay for talent, and hedo can bring a lot to this team.
by StocktonNEP on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Oh!
Maybe…maybe…we’re gonna turn around and trade him…I hope.
by Dub9 on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know
I am just hoping we don’t plan to keep him for too long. Like KP has a brilliant plan…I hope.
by Dub9 on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know this
BAD BAD BAD and this is not a tribute to MJ. PLEASE NO!!!
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett just posted in response to someone who said you can't on his blog that you can.
So long as the FA is aware of the trade, and it is completed as a sign and trade. My pipe dreams are still alive!
by Titlein2011 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
The sign-and-trade is an exception to the Dec.15th or 30 days rule. Under that scenario the Blazers would end up with Hedo.
The real question that the CBA itself is unclear on, and the league hasn’t ruled on yet because no one has actually tried it is when can you trade a signed-and-traded player.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q80
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Coon #76:
Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team’s free agent.
by pualo on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are we going to do with Webster?
by socalblazer on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another trade is in the works
Hopefully its Bayless, Rudy, and Outlaw for Harris, moving Web to the 2
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you've been reading my mail, I see
yes the salaries would match on that trade
but if the Hedo rumors were true, the next phase will be a S&T for Andre Miller
(and may God have mercy on our souls)
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reading your mail? Sry I don't get it
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned the Bayless, Rudy, and Outlaw for Harris trade proposal
about a half a dozen times on Ben’s initial Hedo post, early this AM
If you came to it on your own, then all I can say is
“brilliant minds think alike!”
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and I mentioned it 2 or 3 days ago in my own post. It’s been picking up steam ever since. ;-)
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be sweet but highly unlikely on NJ's side
If they could find a way to pair up Harris and leBron next summer that’d be nuts
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was before
we thought we’d need to “match” salaries because ALL of the cap-space would be eaten up by…the Turk
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will drop to a 45 win team overnight
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Just Doesn't Feel Right...
I know I am just a casual fan… not an expert by any means… But this just doesn’t feel right. I could maybe deal with signing Turk but then turning around and trading our young, developing talent for an aging Miller who while good isn’t great…or likely to get better. That just doesn’t feel like a plan KP and management would put together.
It is possible I am blinded by my overall distaste for Miller. I admit it… he’s not my choice by any means. Couldn’t we still realistically get Kirk for the same pkg. minus Rudy?
by Ilikeemall on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice name...long lost twin
the only reason we would drop to a 45-win team is if McGrady/Yao miraculously comeback healthy, if Artest re-signs with Rockets or any playoff team, the L*kers get Amare, Chandler is healthy, Bass re-signs/Howard comes back healthy with Dallas, and if SA’s roster remains healthy going into post-season.
by gr8odensravens on Jul 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webster can't even run yet.
I think we all need to accept that Webster may never recover from this injury and/or may never be able to consistently play a meaningful role on the Blazers. Might be a deadweight contract that sits on our books awhile. IMO, that signing was the worst move of Pritchard’s stint so far…
by redblazer on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I love how in the Free Agent Signing fever, people totally forget about the players still here.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not Just Webby
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm... interesting
so we sign Hedo, then trade Troutlaw and others for Hinrich… Surround Oden with 4 shooters and 3 good ball handlers… Sounds like a completely legitimate team and move.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like the PG target is Andre Miller, not Hinrich
not to mention, if Detroit signs BG, Hinrich is going to be off the block.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want Miller..
not that he’s bad. But i’m pretty stuck on Hinrich
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone saying that?
Hinrich isn’t off the block if Gordon goes. They are paying $10 million for a guy to backup Derrick Rose. If we trade Outlaw and Blake for Hinrich, We get our guy at PG and they get a much more reasonably priced backup PG, not to mention a 6th man to replace the departer Gordon.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Ben Gordon signs with the Detroit Pistons, then Kirk Hinrich will play around 28 minutes ...
per game backing up John Salmons and Derrick Rose and both guard positions. Sadly, I bet that if Gordon goes to Motown that Hinrich stays in the Windy City.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what they were sayin' yesterday
the only thing that KP would have to offer (assuming the Turk signing) is the expiring contracts of Blake/Outlaw for cap relief
Blake/Outlaw + 7.6 mil coming off the Bull’s cap next spring > Kirk?
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN just said today
that both sides PDX and Philly said no thanks to the proposed trade
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller stays in Philly
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jul 1, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean surround Oden? Oden is a project at this point, he shouldn't factor in to our
offseason plans. He hasn’t proven he’s going to be anything more than a 10/10 guy,
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he really does
Much of what you see in this team having championship aspirations as currently structed virtually relies on Oden becoming a major component.
If not, then you absolutely have to get a solid post game from Aldridge or a major shake-up of the frontcourt is almost inevitable.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they misplaced a decimal or two in their advanced stats
You would have thought the common sense meter would have kicked in, but apparently not.
by Furious Styles on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side, this would necessitate another move. Outlaw/Turkey/Martell/Nic ain’t exactly gonna’ be thrilled with 48 minutes.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
been saying it since early last night. Signing Hedo means Outlaw plus one of Batum, Rudy, Nic are on the block, along with Blake or Bayless, with the objective coming back being a PG obviously
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do we gut our team and chemistry for one or two players?
I can’t see turk and hinrich making us that much better. I would rather have Prince! I can’t stand that we are going for one year of success. Why trade or get rid of most of our young talent for another man that dominates the ball. I could be wrong and hope I am.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you propose we get Prince?
Will it be for ZERO of our players, like getting Hedo would be?
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't make a strong point
I would rather have my small forward spot with Prince, Nic, Web than Turk, Nic, ?. I also don’t dig us giving up rudy, bayless, blake, and others for a point guard. Rudy was the only other gamer besides roy in the playoffs, so I can’t see us getting rid of him. I iike our depth and I can see is losing some of it with a move like this. A strong 8-9 man rotation is better than a 6-7 man rotation in my book.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the rotation.
Blazers have great depth for sure, but at positions like PG and SF, we dont have clear cut starter. Nic is servicable at best, as is Blake. If KP can take some “servicable” talent, and turn them into solid starters, I am all for it.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy should be considered untouchable
batum as well.
for the obvious reason that they are yoiung, extremely talented, and incredibly cheap.
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy should be
but yesterday “heymoe” shared a conversation he had with a “long-time Blazer rep” who intimated that Rudy was unhappy with his role, prior to the trading deadline last season
take that for what it’s worth. If Hedo is signed, Rudy’s PT may suffer and he could eventually wind up complaining, like Sergio
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is untouchable
if you can turn Rudy + Outlaw and maybe a third piece for a serious upgrade at the PG position (and no, Hinrich doesn’t count in my book), then you do it and don’t look back.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Roy is going to command massive minutes at SG and Rudy isn’t an ideal player at the three spot. Eventually it will come to a head. I fully expect he’ll be gone within a year or two.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people use "dominates" the ball so much?
Turkoglu’s ability to handle the ball at his height is a major asset, not a detriment. I see at as one of the decidedly big factors in this move being looked into in the first place.
If a team like Houston (with great defensive rotation) forces the ball out of Roy’s hands, at least now you have another guy who threatens to drive, dish or shoot from range.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Both Turkey and Outlaw can play back up PF minutes too.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooooh
between LMA and Turk, we’ll have the most physical PF position in the league. pick and pop and pop and pop and pop and pop and . . .
by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, and for everyone who thinks Martell is the guy who will be dealt
ask yourself, would you have traded for Sam Bowie, back in 1986?
Webster’s gonna be a Blazer until at least next winter, if not longer
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which sucks
because it hurts the remaining pieces’ trade value.
“Oh, you’ve got 4 small forwards? Well, if you don’t give me what I want, you’ll be stuck with them…”
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be Rudy
who’s traded to ease the wing logjam, not Nic or Marty
KP’s stuck with Webster until he’s back healthy
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw and Webster should be a non-factor in our decision making. Neither player is
special in anyway, and both are easily replaceable
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Turkoglu means the end of Outlaw and Rudy.
Rudy’s not going to be happy with 10 minutes behind Roy.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy and Roy
worked well as a tandem in the playoffs. Rudy will still get his 25+ minutes, rest assured.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's going to play PG?
the reason Roy-Rudy worked was because Webster was hurt and Roy could slide to the 3
with Turk and Batum (and Martell) around, that ain’t happenin’
unless Nate uses Hedo at the 4 with Rudy and Roy at the 2-3
and doesn’t care about the defensive shortcomings of those 3 players…
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's going to play point forward?
The big question is who brings the ball up
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, who defends the opposing PG?
but maybe the Blazers “don’t care” about that anymore? Maybe they’ll play a sagging zone and dare the other teams to beat them with 3-pointers?
But if Roy or Rudy are going to play a lot of PG, why do the rumor-mongers say they’re looking at a S&T for Andre Miller?
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one?
Hand-check rules make effective shut-down defense of fast perimeter players impossible?
by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can’t we play Broy & Rudy at the guards, Hedo, LA, and Oden? that would give us a deadly shooter, a solid low post-high post combo, and a great 1-2 creative option. Rudy’s defense is underrated and probably better than hinrich/miller/blake, and i think that tall lineup would cause problems for other teams…
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really saying
that Rudy plays better D than Hinrich? Maybe Miller/Blake. That leaves one known defender at the 5 and we all saw last year when GO was our last line of defense.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich has peeked out on his abilities.
Give Fernandez more than 9 months of NBA basketball before you come to a conclusion on his D.
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by Net Ranger on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could work Hedo the 3 playing the One roy and Rudy all together
Rudy 2 Roy 3 that works right.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like.
Nate is such a defensive minded coach and player that I just don’t see him diggin this move. There are a plethora of small forwards that play better defense. I can either see us signing and trading or going over the luxary tax so we can also pull in a pg and backup 4. I have to think that you have to please brandon with his request for a banger. Hope Bass is in the cards?
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree re: Nate and defense
but maybe he’s reading the writing on the wall (from KP and Paul Allen) and will be willing to loosen things up a little?
should be fun to watch, not sure if it’ll be effective in May
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan has always been a putrid defensive coach, but for some reason he gets the moniker ...
of being a defensive-minded coach. I don’t quite get how he accomplished that, but it’s surely served him well financially over the past several years.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was a good defender with Seattle
At least, he was tough.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seemed to do a good job with the defense in the Olympics.
Lebron credits him with his new defensive intensity.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
by Muad'Dib on Jul 2, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to
Frank Isola of the NY Daily News, the Blazers are going to make a push for David Lee, not Turkeyglue.
Portland is expected to make a strong push for Lee, who averaged career bests in scoring (16 points) and rebounds (11.7). Detroit and Oklahoma City also have the cap room to make Lee a substantial offer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/07/01/2009-07-01_kidds_midnight_madness.html#ixzz0K1iO28P1&D
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NY columnists have been writing this for months.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my point is that
I think KP is throwing the spaghetti against the wall just to see what sticks, and cause confusion. I don’t see the Blazers signing Hedu or Lee, or any other “major” FA. I really believe that Kp wants something more than what is out there in free agency, and a lopsided trade is the best way to do that.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Nate is flying to Orlando and then Hedo is coming to Portland tomorrow
as a smoke screen? Get over the denial stage, this team wants Hedo and is the heavy favorite to sign him.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sure was to Kevin Durant.
Just to see if anyone would bite. There was no way that they weren’t taking Oden, but they did all that anyway. And that was a sure thing.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely different.
They HAD to scout Durant. it’s typical to bring potential rookies in to town for workouts, it isn’t typical for a coach to fly out and meet a potential FA.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A draft pick is a lot different than a free agent signing.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, KP has always functioned like a magician. Look at this hand while the trick is being completed with the other.
I’m going with Barrett, and that this is all a sign and trade. As Barrett noted a sign and trade with a FA can be completed so long as the player is aware of the deal.
I get the discussions that with the pursuit of Hedo the Blazers are not puting out smoke screen, but with having to wait until the 8th for transactions to go through you have to put out smoke if you have alterior plans. It is more likely that the Blazers keep Turkeyglue, but I still have my dream in tact for now.
Bring on D. Harris!
by Titlein2011 on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career 32% shooter on threes.
We already have Bayless if we need a PG who can get to the rim but bricks 3-pointers.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that...
32% on step-back, isolation three-pointers late in the shot clock?
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're signing Hedo to a 50 million dollar contract
So they can trade him in 6 months? That makes absolutely no sense.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the team's television play-by-play announcer has no grasp of the CBA, ...
it should come as no surprise that run-of-the-mill fans are massively confused that newly signed free-agents can’t be dealt elsewhere until 12/15/2009.
Anyhow, Mike Barrett, Mike Rice, Brian Wheeler, and Antonio Harvey should be fired from their jobs. I, in turn, want to see Kevin Calabro and Steve “Snapper” Jones on the television side, with a veteran, unbiased play-by-play announcer paired with Dr. Jack Ramsay as the intelligent color commentator on the radio side.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett was a huge proponent of signing Hedo
ever since the playoffs, so why is Mike sending the “this could be a smokescreen” message now?
besides, Barrett didn’t even know the “can’t retrade a signed FA until Dec 15th” provisal
(he looks nice on camera and is smart, but not that smart)
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it appears we are just pawns in this game
KP and the Blazers are known for doing their homework, so it does not suprise me that Nate or even KP will meet with Hedu, or that they would fly him here to take a look around. This not only allows them to get to know him better and to make their final decision, (which I believe will be to not sign him) but it gives the impression out to every other GM that Portland wants him badly.
So yes I think it will turn out to be a smoke screen, and that the Blazers will use their cap space not to sign a FA, but to make a trade for a true difference maker.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this is right.
If it looks like Portland is really interested in him, maybe it talks another team into using their cap space here instead of with someone else.
Or
It knocks all the other players out of the market, leaving Turkoglu at a much more reasonable rate.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
you don’t burn all your credibility with agents by hotly pursuing their clients, only to pull out at the end and say “sorry, it was a smokescreen.” That’s bush league, and you won’t do well in the business for long.
Face it folks, Hedo is target #1.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way you do it is to make too low an offer
for the smokescreen player (Hedo), knowing he will refuse it. Meanwhile, the team and agent for the player you really want (Hinrich), thinking they are about to lose you as a trade partner, quickly agree to a reasonable deal with you.
No one can hold it against you if it’s a game that all teams are playing.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but I seriously doubt Hinrich the Blazers #1 target right now. He may be 4 or 5 on the list, and even the 2nd piece in a 1-2 combo, but he’s not the homerun we are going after.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is a homerun?
really? I don’t see it. He does good things, but he is no homerun.
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by koyote on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if you're gonna low-ball Hedo's agent
why make cross-country travel plans?
the “low” offer could’ve been made in less than a minute with a cell phone call
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Killing two birds with one stone.
Nate’s visiting relatives in Florida. Or going on vacation.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Toronto is the front runner to sign him
with Portland and Detroit tied for 2nd
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make it happen Toronto.
Make it happen.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets start emailing colangelo
pretending to be Raptors season ticket holder who will protest and bail on our tickets if he doesnt sign hedo
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they can check your IP address
so make sure you route it through an Ontario-based server
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you spell things the same way that Canadians do
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOl
Lets get on this!
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Coangelo.
Let’s sign Turkey Glue, eh? He’s a real good guy, y’know. Sure, he doesn’t play ‘ockey, but we’d like him anyway, eh?
Sincerely, eh?
A Raptors fan.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Blazers are linked to everybody!
Drive everyone’s price up until we eventually just sign some low-cost vets.
It’ll be the Blazer’s revenge for the Darius Miles fiasco.
by BlazerTag on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst idea in the world
Why would we pay a PF $10 million per year to ride the pine?
by ninjasocks on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be highly surprised
In my opinion, the only time the Blazers were probably interested in Lee was at the time of the Z-Bo trade. He’s an ineffective center (and we have Oden/Przybilla) and he’s not worth splurging on for Aldridge backup minutes.
Someone has to factor out how this works for me to come close to believing it.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they'll be eating Pizza.
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Turk
When Jameer went down more of the ball handling duties were carried by Turkoglu and by Alston.
Granted, Turkoglu hit some big shots in the playoffs but BROY is the guy who handles the rock in the 4th. I’m having a hard time convincinv myself the Turk is the answer to our offseason needs. He’s going to cost a lot of dough. Get a damn PG.
"Oh yeah? You can Derelique my balls."
"I can Shavlick my own balls."
by Terry Gamble on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same
Turk does take some offensive load off of Roy, but I fear he will demand the ball too much. Plus, I’m not sold on Hedo as a defender. I feel we could do better this offseason.
by SloppyJoe on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B Roy will still get the ball in the 4th...
Hedo will provide insurance if team’s like Houston decide to double team Roy from end-to-end, which happened last year.
ROY CANNOT HAVE THE BALL AT ALL TIMES FOR 48 MINUTES.
Thanks.
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why this rationale is so hard to understand
It’s seems to be the clear motivation here.
The better question is whether or not it’s an overreaction to the submissive effort against Houston.
Personally, I’m not positive that it is. I don’t know if some of our players are either going to be good enough to compete in the playoffs or have the mental capacity to overcome nervousness or find that extra gear.
On the flip side, it may be that some of the players were so focused on finishing up the regular season and making the playoffs that they didn’t have the mental preparation or stamina for actual competing in the post-season.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the playoffs was a 6 game sample
the regular season (where we had the 2nd most efficient offense in the league) was 82 games.
If doubling Roy is our Achilles heel, then it would have happened more and worked better. It’s not like Houston was the first of think of it.
Also Houston had Shane Battier and Ron Artest. Think that mattered a little? We shouldn’t retool the team just to improve matchups against one team.
by austinpwnz on Jul 2, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Houston has superior defense
But that’s also typical of playoff teams. Given that it happened and the Blazers struggled to find a way to counter it, this courting of Turkoglu does make some sense.
by TheMadKiwi on Jul 2, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone complained last year about the give the ball to Roy and everyone watch offense..
We had to do that because we didn’t have another guy on the roster capable of creating offense.
Turkoglu will play well with Roy. Definately take some pressure off him and then late in games gives us another guy who can make clutch shots if Roy is doubled.
Plus it opens the court up for Roy to penetrate
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the only reason I like Hedo coming here. That and Point-Forward action.
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hedo means either Rudy or Nic is gone, I’ll be really bummed. :(
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It has to mean that.
As well as Outlaw. I know most people assumed that Outlaw is gone. But minute-wise, either Rudy or Nic get 10 minutes tops. That isn’t going to work.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic only had 15 minutes last year
Not a big dropoff.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But for the guy who was the deal breaker at the trade deadline?
I think KP would want to open up more room for him, not squeeze him out.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum isn't ready.
Why do you think he was out of the rotation in the playoffs? He’s not ready to be a true starter (30+ minutes) yet. Another couple year, maybe. He’ll seamlessly fill the void when Hedo leaves.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but what about Rudy?
Turkoglu here means that Roy will hardly ever play the 3, which means Rudy has no minutes either. I’m not okay with that.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo would have to be the backup 4, essentially.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and Rudy worked as a guard duo in the playoffs.
Look, bottom line is KP has a plan and if his track record proves anything it’s that this said plan will make our team better. What happened to “in KP we trust?”
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it happens, I'll find a way to be okay with it.
But that’s doesn’t mean I’m okay with it yet.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But KP’s swinging for the fences on a spitball.
Does Hedo really make the Blazers a championship contender? I don ’t think so.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically...
Rudy will be the first guard off the bench to play 1/2. Bayless will likely only play when both Miller (I’ll go with Miller since first part of supposed Turk/Miller chase has proved to be true) and Roy sits.
Turk becomes the backup 4 and first F off the bench is likely to be Batum. Maybe Pendergraph or whoever we bring in sees small minutes at PF when both LA Turk sits.
It makes for interesting lineup for second rotation, definitely geared for running and gunning. Obviously, I am trying to sell myself on the Turk signing…
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy at the 1 was a disaster.
That’s why it didn’t happen often last year.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Still, he is more of a disaster as backup 3 and we have Batum and Webster to think about as well. Like it or not, he will be the first guard off the bench and will man minutes at 1 and 2. Where else do you think his minutes will come from? Also, how happy is he going to be if you played him solely as backup 2?
You might see bit more Bayless early in the season, but as we approach the playoffs we will cut down to an 8 man rotation and that means Rudy is the de facto backup 1/2. Of course, all this is moot if Bayless has a coming out party next season.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If KP signs Hedo
he’ll have a lot of damage control to deal with
rebuilding “trust” takes longer than establishing it
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic didn't play much against the Rockets because
of matchup problems, not because he wasn’t ready.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Blake gets no minutes, or new PG gets little minutes
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just means Outlaw is gone.
Basically, Hedo replaces Outlaw. Anyone who doesn’t think that is an upgrade needs to take off the rosy glasses.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if nic leaves the devastation will be complete
but its an upgrade over outlaw obviously
s
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this makes me giddy
as stated, this clearly means we will be pursuing another player. we’re overloaded at SF. if signing turkoglu brings us closer to devin harris (without losing rudy!!!) then i think i might just die happy.
by richardb on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How does signing Hedo bring us closer to trading for Devin Harris?
Unless it’s the Pritchslap with the longest time to happen, i.e. acquiring Hedo now and trading him some time around Christmas or at the deadline again.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s winding up his arm… it’s a pritchslap with three months of tension!
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, meanwhile, hope he breaks it, so he'll be physically unable to sign Hedo Turkoglu's contract.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chicago keeps Hinrich and we sign Hedo,
plus our bad announcers, and you lost your home team… not a good year for AK1984.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Even more freard than the Pritchslap
Is the Delayed Pritchslap. You know it’s coming, but you don’t know where or when…
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather will be SAAWEEEEEET tomorrow.
Hedo will love it. As hot as Orlando but not as humid.
Can somebody in the know find out where Hedo will be tomorrow so some of us crazy FANatics can go tell him he needs to sign here for 5 mil a year so we can win a championship next year?
Actually I just wanna see him in Portland, that’d be so cool
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow. Hedo will get a false impression of Portland weather haha
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure he will be somewhere in Gresham
go out there and wait.. we will let you know when its safe to come back
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stay as far away from Gresham as possible
I only go to there to hit up Caberat II
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you should go out there and root for Hedo
and when he leaves town you can come back
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously don't like Hedo for some insane reason
So whatever I’m gunna leave this one alone
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
insane? no.. just not worth anywhere NEAR what he is asking. maybe half that.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be glad come game 83 next season
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know.. he mailed it in during the finals
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His whole team did
Over the playoffs though his % both 2’s and 3’s went up drastically. Our current players’ went down. He is a matchup nightmare and constantly puts pressure on the D. Remember when Roy would getting doubled and we couldn’t find other offense (happened a lot against good defenses). Not a problem with Hedo on the court
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you think getting an average to above average player is worth sacrificing all the progress we made with cap room so far? I sure don’t. Sure he played well in the early rounds of the playoffs, but he is not worth more than 5-6 mil a year.. ESPECIALLY in this economy
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
You can’t teach what he has on offense, and he’s a heady defender, overall smart player, but I only like this trade if there is another one to follow
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his defense is suspect at best..
i wouldnt mind getting turkoglu for a mid-level or 6 mil contract.. but quite frankly for 10 mil thats absurd
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ten Mil is not absurd for his talent, 4 or 5 years would be though
3 years 30 Mil is ideal
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you disagree?
I thought his and rashards play killed any chance they had of winning
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your best bet would be to hang out around the practice facility in Tualatin all day.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't sound like you are "in the know"
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was more like common sense.
If they’re bringing in a FA to have a look around you don’t think they’d want to show off their practice facility?
by JoeBlazer on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah thats true
that’s a ways to drive in traffic at a chance of meeting him though
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think they'll keep that a secret
to throw off the “no Hedo!” protest mob
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
prolly right damn
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Turk, then turn and trade him away...
Anyone remember how long Kenny Anderson lasted in a Blazer uniform? Why not sign Hedu for free, then turn around and use him to get the trade you really want?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting.....
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
harris is the key to the future
Signing turk would allow us to trade any combination of players to get the point guard we let slip away 2 years ago. 6’3 pg that can shoot, drive, and dish will make everyone in the line-up better. GO and LA will get easy baskets, spot up shooters can do exactly that, and roy can save his knees by not having to do everything late in the game to will a victory. Devin can help bring it home. Joe Kinch would love this type of pg.
by nsizzle on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol Who is this?
Did you just compare my game to Devin harris’? Awesome :)
nsizzle huh? hmmmmm…. Nick?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newly signed players can't be traded until December 15th
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or 3 months after they are signed
which ever comes first.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
learn something new everyday
thanks for the link.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
loop hole
If a player knows he’s going to be traded the sining of the free agent will be listed as a “sign and trade” which is perfectly leagal.
http://tinyurl.com/naumst check out Barret’s Blog he explains it here.
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by nuggz503 on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the limitations of the sign-and-trade
Orlando signs Hedo and then trades him to us. Can Portland then re-trade Hedo to another team in a separate deal? From the Salary Cap FAQ:
For sign-and-trade transactions, the initial trade which completes the transaction is obviously allowed, even though it occurs right after the player is signed. What’s not clear is whether the player’s new team can subsequently trade him prior to three months or December 15. While a literal reading of the CBA might suggest that such players cannot be subsequently traded, the league actually considers this situation to be undefined, and won’t resolve the matter until a team actually tries to make such a trade.
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt that just be a three way trade?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were do to a 3-team trade as part of the sign-and-trade that would be allowed
but due to all of the salary matching involved 3 team trades are rare.
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Barrett isn't completely whacked after all.
The three team trade thing seems like it would be legal.
1. Orland signs Hedo and trades him to a third team. In return they get some small token from Portland.
2. The third team gets Hedo and gives a player with equivalent salary to Portland.
Orlando participates because of the small asset they gain from us, plus a huge trade exception that they might have a use for later.
A three team trade isn’t hard when one team has cap space. Is there a reason this couldn’t work?
by pualo on Jul 1, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A deal like that seems possible under the CBA
But
If Hedo would end up in not Portland, why is he coming for a visit?
Also one of the difficulties in putting together a sign-and-trade is that the signed player becomes a BYC and thus has a higher salary for trading purposes
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't trade until Dec 15
I really think KP wants Hedo on this team, and I’m on board with that.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this could totally happen.
I just love the fact the KP is tying to get things going. So long as we don’t burn him at the stake before he can complete all his trades to get the guy we really want.
by Mr. Nation on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Anderson was in Portland for a year and a half
I really don’t think that his situation is the same as Hedo’s
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is similar
You sign the best player on the free agent market. Not because he fits your team perfectly, but because it is a great way to get a free asset.
Come Dec, you will have one more assest then you had if you were to just ignore the situation.
We have cap space. You either want to get the best assest or the best fit. Which is actually available right now?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 1, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on another FA note
With both Boozer and Okur opting to stay with the Jazz, it puts the Jazz over the luxury tax line before they even consider Millsap’s new deal. The Salt Lake Tribune has a story on it today, looks pretty improssible for them to match Millsap’s $10million per year demand, as that would cost them clost to $20 million next year to match.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Detroit and OKC are the frontrunners for Millsap
allegedly, anyway.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what its worth.....
Chris Broussard on espn says raptors are likley to get turk….. he said colangelo really wants him.
by kwestfan on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PleaseBeTruePleaseBeTruePleaseBeTruePleaseBeTrue.
by BlazerTag on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also says Gordon likely to be a Bull…
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't dislike Turkey..
I am just with the few who think he’s asking a little too much. I just think we can spend our money better on a backup PF who can bring us some toughness off the bench for half the price he’s asking for.
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by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
5 year $50 million is too much. I hope we can talk him down, but historically free agents are overpaid for, and what else would we use the cap space on anyway? Sign and trade for a PG, use the trade exceptions we have to sign and trade for a backup PF.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Historically, yes
But this economy changes everything
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might get him for 4 at $9M
The teams with more money don’t want him, so he isn’t going to have too many options. Even Orlando doesn’t have the money any more to offer him the 4yrs/$35M they did before the playoffs.
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by hoopla-pdx on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy but Hedo is gonna put us near 60 wins...and
we have someone other than Broy that can be a triple threat with the ball at all times…
i hear the defense argument but our offense as it stands (hopefully LMA/GO improves), will not win games in the playoff.
btw, Portland wants Hedo…Nate is not gonna have dinner with Turk to trade him away…that’s a waste of a dinner
PG to be named, Broy, Turk, LMA, ODEN…is an awesome lineup
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by broyposse on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
FINALLY!
Someone else who really like this move. I completely agree with you and most of this site will soon enough as well.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% Agree
I just said pretty much the same thing.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unlike your love advice
you are WAY off my friend
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOT WOOT!
Rec to the moon…
When’s the next BE Basketball Night?
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you guys play? At The Hoop?
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Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. People value our own players too much, and only want to change the roster
for like the perfect/ideal fit.
Well that isn’t happening. There is nobody we can get that fits into this team ideally.
It’s cute to play with the youngest roster and have a bunch of homegrown guys, but this is the Western Conference. YOu have to improve. If we don’t make this signing we’re probably not getting out of the first round next year.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Turk...
KP better make it up to us by getting Devin Harris as well
by Furious Styles on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Even better
Forget about Turk, and get Harris anyway!
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a player like Hedo
Tough, Veteran, and someone else who can take the big shot and someone else besides Roy who can run the offense. the PTB were fun to watch last year but it was always very tough when Roy was out of the game.
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by mxpx5678 on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Captain Kirk
Having Hedo will enable the Blazers to package TO with Bayless and the 3$M exception to Chicago to complete the trade for Kirk Hinrich.
by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you can't package a trade exception
you can send upto $3 million in cash in a trade however. The Blazers would need to add one more player to make that work, Hinrich’s salary is $9.5 million, Travis $3.6m, and Blake is $4m. So you need someone else included who makes about $1million or slightly more.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the trade machine
Outlaw+Blake for Hinrich works. And I would relly like that trade if we got Hedo.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually be willing to do the Hinrich trade now
If we actually do wind up with Hedo. I was completely against Hinrich trade because of his deficiencies as a playmaker and inability to get his own offense, since I want to see another guy who can create his own shot in the starting lineup. But with Hedo on board, Hinrich makes very good sense as a lockdown defender and spot up shooter. I preferred Miller in the absence of Hedo because of his ability to create for himself and others, but with Hedo, Hinrich makes better sense.
Of course, D Harris >>>> anyone else not named CP3 or DWill.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did kirk...
get this reputation as a defender? from what i’ve seen throughout the years, his defense is only marginally better than blake…
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beats me
But according to good % of posters at B-edge, he’s the cross between Gary Payton and Rodman in terms of defensive ability.
He is a good defender, though.. He’s more of a cerebral and doesn’t lose his guy type of defender than turnover generating ballhawk. Or as I like to call it, the anti-Outlaw.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second-team all defense
and good adjusted plus-minus, plus he’s always gotten good anecdotal praise from rival players and coaches. It’s hard to quantify defense but Hinrich is better than Blake on just about any defensive measure you want to look at.
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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need glasses
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that getting Hedo
makes the need to upgrade the PG position even less important, at least from the Blazer’s perspective
they may feel they can “get by” with Blake and Bayless once they have a “point forward” option
we shall see
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
usmcr
Maybe that’s why the Blazers drafted Cunningham from Villanova. Maybe he’s a player Chicago coveted and had the Blazers draft him to throw into the trade package? Won’t he make close to $1M?
by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be...
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't use his contract in a trade
until Dante signs it, which may be as early as next week
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then the Blazers could use his contract in a trade for 30 days
in one of the exceptions to the Dec 15th trade rule
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q80
by tingeyga on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dante Cunningham's draft rights can be traded as of this moment, however.
Still, the Chicago Bulls are set at power forward after drafting James Johnson and Taj Gibson.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw for Blake works per the 125% rule.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I guess it depends
on if the assumed salaries of Hinrich, Blake and Outlaw are correct or not. Storyteller has told me before that Blake and Outlaw’s salaries listed on his site were confiremd by a source inside the Blazers. So if Hinrich’s salary for this year is exactly $9.5 million this it works, because 125% of $7.6 million is exactly $9.5 million. So if Hinrich is actually making slightly over that number then it doesn’t work and someone on a cheap contract would have to be thrown in.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah so it is
ok then so the only question is, would we do Outlaw/Blake for Hinrich, I know I would.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
outlaw > hinrich. blake = hinrich. hinrich = overpaid and overrated.
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better root for Detroit not to sign Gordon, then
and for the supposed Andre Miller S&T to fall through
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Bayless for Kirk!
He is not that much better, and way overpaid.
by Titlein2011 on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland/Philly Trade a no go
The Portland Tribune reports Kevin Pritchard shot down a rumor that Portland would send Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw to Philadelphia in a sign-and-trade for Andre Miller.
“No,” Pritchard said in a text message when asked if the trade would happen.
“Nothing to it,” a 76ers representative told the newspaper.
Taken from ESPN insider.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this means the target is...
Hiiiiiiinrich! I’d much rather have Hinrich than Miller.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Though truthfully, I’d rather stay put and see what this Bayless character can do in his second year, rather than stuffing him to the end of the bench again.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Blake would make Bayless the backup PG
He’s get like 15-20 minutes a game. That’s plenty to prove himself.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, Miller too old and spendy.
Get Kirk or Devin Harris for a PG.
I like how our options are getting clearer day to day.
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by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would MUCH rather see Ariza suit up for us...
…And it also is looking like Hinrich is going to stay put.
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by NoiseMekanik on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Broussard says that Gordon is likely to stay in Chicago. I dunno what that does to Hinrich.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher and Stein also report Gordon is going to sign with Detroit
He’s with Dumars right now……so it’s just a waiting game at this point.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
other reporters (Bucher, etc) have intimated
that if Gordon walks, the Bulls will keep Kirk
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Turkolu is signed, I will be disapointed, but hopeful
If Ariza is signed. I’m taking a break from thr Blazers.
It’s not the Rudy thing. Well, it kind of is. Ariza plays out of control, especially on defense, which is why he tried to phase his arm through Rudy’s head to make a play on the ball.
I’ve watched T.A. for a while, and it’s always been the same, high energy, sure, but at a high cost of Basketball smarts.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why the Pistons are going for Gordon.
What happens to Rip Hamilton? Why pay Gordon bank to be a backup?
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rip and Prince
For the Blazer trade exception….
Yeah! That’s the ticket!
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing about Hedo...
is that we’ll probably win 60 games next year, cause he will help us, and we’ll here “what a great signing it was, he helped our team so much, blah, blah, blah,” but the reality is that we could have done much better…ticks me off!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Who?
People keep saying we can do better. Who exactly is REALLY available out there? Harris isn’t, Prince isn’t. We can’t sit on the money until next year. So I ask again, WHO?
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFA: Artest, Odom, Ariza, Kidd to name a few...
UFA: Marvin Williams….and then you have to take into account we SHOULD be able to make moves for the Battiers, Prince’s of the world with the cap space & assets we have, look at what Cavs & Spurs did, significantly upgraded at needed positions while giving up junk…hoping this happens, and a SIGN AND TRADE FOR ANDRE MILLER DOESN’T QUALIFY!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston isn't trading Battier. And I'd rather have Turk, Rudy, and Batum then Prince.
There is something to be said for the fact we get to keep our talented youngsters if we sign a free agent as opposed to dealing for a guy like Prince who will cost us top players.
Artest I agree with. I’d rather have him. Odom, no way. Ariza isn’t leaving LA unless we overpay. Kidd doesn’t defend, and can’t shoot. How exactly does that help us come postseason?
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all about winning playoff series
and winning in the playoffs is (usually) all about defense and rebounding
Hedo helps with neither. But if Portland advances to the WCF, the signing will be deemed a success
if the Blazers get bounced in the first round the next 3-4 years, KP will have a “cleanup in aisle 3”
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning in the playoffs is about creating mismatches. Hedo is one of the biggest mismatch guys in the league
It’s ridiculous to say he brings nothing to the table that would help us in the postseason.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah with out Hedo Orlando would not have made the finals.
He has an all around game thats pretty solid
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how I feel....
If he wears the red and black I will cheer for him, if he dosn’t I will cheer for the front office !
by kwestfan on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question...
1. We all know we need a 3rd scorer. We’ve known that since the regular season so going after Hedo isn’t shocking or a bad idea.
2. And here’s the question:
If we get Hedo, why do some of you assume that this is KP’s only move? It’s KP’s second move, not his first.
His first move was to get LaMarcus in the draft. What was his 2nd move? Getting Brandon.
Wait for the 2nd move here kids.
by superset5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Signing Turkgolu would screw with the Blazer salary cap for YEARS to come.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no cap room after this year anyway
We have to extend Roy and Aldridge. We won’t have any cap room for 15 years with or without Hedo.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. You guys act like we can just keep this cap space year after year. We can't.
We’re about to throw mega deals at some of our core players. This is the last chance we got to add free agents.
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it won't....
our cap has been screwed for at least a decade and now we have money and we get our 3rd scorer.
Wait for the SECOND MOVE.
by superset5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your shout for patience is like a fart in a hurricane.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I’m in the “wait for the next move” camp, instead of the “I will jump off a bridge if Hedo is signed” camp. EOM.
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by G_dubs on Jul 1, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait for the season and playoff result before complaining.
I don’t get worked up unless I see a fall off.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
money money money
people are all complaining about money, you just cant get a game changing player without paying for it.
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say a significant upgrade at any given position would change the game
and he is an upgrade over Trout/Web/Batum right now so ya i would say so
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a game changer on the FA market...
this about adding scoring.
by superset5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Which we dont really need
HOW ARE YOU 6’10 and SHOOTING UNDER 40% from the field?@!! How is that possible!?!!
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
WAHHHAHRAHGHAHGAW
my feeling of Hedo coming to the Blazers
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
funny funny.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Travis Outlaw...
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you missed the playoffs when we had nobody outside of Roy and LA capable of
scoring in a playoff environment
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that includes Batum,
who put up appalling offensive numbers for the season, considering he was a starter. Outlaw put up way more points with comparable minutes. I know that doesn’t take defense into account, and he’s still young, etc, but he didn’t do anything in the playoffs either.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Jul 1, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
82 game sample vs 6 game sample
Houston isn’t going to be a problem without Yao and everyone improving a year.
And during the regular season, we were 2nd in the league in offensive efficiency.
It’s kind of silly to change your team based on 6 games and ignore the other 82.
by austinpwnz on Jul 2, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By shooting lots of 3 s
and also too much of a jump shooter. Aldridge and Oden better become take it to the hole forces off the passes of HEDO that could be the key to his game the passing with other 7 ft’ers OK near 7 ft’ers on the team this could be potent.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am confident their will be a 2nd move...
but its setting up that Hedo will be our starting SF next year, just wasn’t the upgrade I was looking for…if I am surprised and actually get a significant PG upgrade who can play D, I might change my tune…
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't over sell the 2nd move the first might work out pretty good
Hedo has an all around game that could help us.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry....
meant to say KP’s second move this summer will be just as important as his 1st move.
by superset5 on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Historically, KP's best moves have been the 'secondary' ones
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this 2nd move is for a point guard
And I continue to hope it’s Hinrich.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First the lightning, then the THUNDER!(not OKC...)
BADA BING BADA BOOM!
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by TyboOSU on Jul 1, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs, Cavs, Magic
are able to get signifcantly better “fits” & “needs” for their teams while having significantly less resources to get it done, and we get HEDO!!! Reminds me of the Peja signing, ok at first, vomit inducing later on, ugggh…
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All those teams made brash moves as well
And also very different from this one. We couldn’t have gotten Jefferson or Carter without giving up Batum, and this way we get Hedo without giving up anyone.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they gave up bowen, oberto, and some other scrub
all they gave up was money. No official talent
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the thing though
the blazers didn’t really have those types of terrible contracts for worthless players. our contracts were tied to players with some value, like outlaw and such…
by retirecards51 on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just threw up a bit in my mouth.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Mega rec
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
updated with transcript from chris broussard
by Ben. on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also a video interview on espn.com frontpage when he names Toronto the more likely team for Hedo.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make up your mind, Broussard
In the video clip below (posted today) he called the Blazers the favorite to sign Hedo.
by Smooth on Jul 1, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he clearly said Toronto
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then he said Portland
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks smooth. linked and transcribed above
by Ben. on Jul 1, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow this is getting serious now
Is Hedo worth signing… I mean 50 million man thats asking alot of money especially at a time like this in the economy
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by Viclubsmau4eva on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I am resigned to this...
and no, I’m not going to delude myself that this is the first step in a grand plan and then wait breathlessly till the trade deadline for part 2.
it is what it is.
by raoulduke on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a soul-crushing feeling that you're right
I don’t like it, but it’s spitting in my face right now, and there’s nothing I can do…
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is that there just aren’t enough minutes for people with Hedo on board, so there has to be another move.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah let it be a surprise its more fun that way.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that Canzano tweet
is simply an ad for his show. Boooooo
by RuQ on Jul 1, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
JC’s never been shy about shameless self-promotion.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know that..
I just didnt think BE would succumb to that as his tweet didn’t seem to have anything newsworthy
by RuQ on Jul 1, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is what it is. at this point the more information the better.
by Ben. on Jul 1, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that guys scum
He writes a heartfelt story every now and then and expects everyone to like what he is doing. How can he win best sportswriter in the nation? His knee-pads are worn out!
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Metro/Life writer
that snuck onto the Sports page.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
5 and 50 for Turk
The Blazers can’t even pay that without trading someone.
Hail hates this.
No He-do! No He-do! No He-do! No He-do! No He-do! No He-do! No He-do! No He-do!
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
technically we can
Start him at $8 million and continue salary increases puts it at like $49.4 million.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that's true
But why are you giving raises to a guy who’s just getting older and slower?
I know that’s the contract progression, but it’s counter-productive to building a winning program.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's so that we cah have HTEC in 2014!
$13 million makes a nice trading chip.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Isn’t that right after we were forced to let one of our REAL stars go in Free Agency because no one wanted to take on the Big Lumber-jack?
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute last I checked we aren't the Phoenix Suns we aren
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Letting our good talent walk, not for a lack of pay anyway
Hope we don’t alienate rudy with this trade.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean free agent signing
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why aren't we exploring Ron Artest?
Isn’t he available? I would think Ron, at say 75% of the money we are reportedly throwing at Turkey Glue would be a MUCH better investment. Am I off my rocker?
by diskord on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang it
I was just typing this, you beat me by seconds.
I completely agree. I would MUCH rather have Ron than Turk
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Ron
Love his game but he probably doesn’t pass the culture test. Not sure Hedo does
either though?
by hellsfrozenover on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is an article talking about what a good pair Crazy Pills and roy would be.
I think its on espn.com
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by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest would bring a post presence and toughness.
But he also brings the fact he’s eroding defensively every year and is a brutal outside shooter who take ridiculously bad shots
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think helps their team win more games next year, Artest or Hedo?
If we make it to the finals next year, I’m just gonna love watching Hedo guard Lebron when it could have been a dude like Artest, it makes me gag, and don’t tell me there’s no way the Rockets give up Artest now, we could get him if we made the same effort we’re putting into HEDO, calling HEDO at 12:01am!! Please…
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I say Hedo helps us win more regular season games
But with Ron, the Blazers have a finals shot.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better 3 pt shooter this year I believe, and WAYYYYYY better D
If Hedo is signed, this will burst the “KP Perfection Bubble”
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's Paul Allen at the controls again
Like he was for most of the Dark Times.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest
i think our chemistry is good enough, if artest wants to come here, which a contract would be a good sign of, i think it will work. i’d love to watch kobe flail and cry all night as batum and artest shut him down. let’s be real, artest would be amazing on this team, nate would love him
by StocktonNEP on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With Artest
You have someone to throw at LeBrons, Rashard Lewis, and Odoms of the world. Coincidentally, those are the guys we’d likely have to face on our way to the Finals. Do you think LeBron relishes at the idea of going against the only wing player stronger than he is in a 7 game series? I think not.
by xedubx on Jul 1, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest is eroding defensively. Roy and Kobe both abused him. And I doubt he's stopping
Lebron. He also takes terrible shots
by Rudy4three on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest has destroyed the chemistry on most of the teams he's been on
He’s a massive risk for the entire team, not just whether or not he performs. Adelman and his team-mates in Houston seem to be a good fit, but that hasn’t been the case elsewhere. I wouldn’t want to risk him on the Blazers. Anyway, Batum’s defense is getting to Artest’s level and is only going ot get better.
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by hoopla-pdx on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum's defense is good
But he is no Artest. Not even close to being as physical as he is.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest has fallen off on the defensive end. Brandon torched him every time they were matched up… he isn’t the Artest of 2004/
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers need Battier and Hinrich
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s what I proposed a few days ago. Good defensive unit, good shooting to surround Roy.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Pritchard fires Nate McMillan, Hedo to Portland will not work out
McMillan is the offense-only version of Scott Skiles, no imagination at all.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love that as well
Not sure the Rockets give him up though.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hedo isnt exactly a model of "team player" either
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um.....where's the proof of that?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Turkish national team, he "required" a limo for Okur and him
Rest of the team were in a bus.
That’s about it though.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't this when he was new to the league?
Just curious because besides this, I have never heard anything bad about his character.
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by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who says the Cavs will be in the finals?
For that matter, who says we will?
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so with you on Artest!
ARTEST!!!!!!!!!!!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully? If he'd accept that role?
I’d take him back with open arms.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would in a sec
attitude and we love him here
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, his "cut the check" mentality really fits in well with the team we've built.
Oh, wait. No.
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is much older
He wants to win and he liked it here. His mentality wouldn’t mess anything up.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahahahaha
Bonzi is older and available too.
by RuQ on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah
I want one jail blazer not the whole cell
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the evidence
that “he liked it here”? Add Sheed, subtract some fans.
And that’s the truth.
by Trutherlizer on Jul 1, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher answered our very own Sabonis4Ever
@Sabonis4Ever Hedo is a playmaker. Which, after BRoy, the Blazers don’t have. Other west teams are fearful Blazers will get Hedo and Andre.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so cute
;)
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he shoots under 40% from the field
And isn’t very good on defense.
5 years/50 mil LETS GO!
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have u started that
facebook group yet <3hedo.com
?
s
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he felt bad for the banning of S4E
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by broyposse on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other west teams are fearful Blazers will get Hedo
yeah, I’m sure the L*kers are shakin’ in their boots…geez
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would we give Outlaw 10mil a year?
After reviewing the link below, I don’t see why Turkoglu deserves it.
All aboard the Kirkwagon!
by Arby on Jul 1, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yep yep
only think Hedu does better is run the pick and roll to get more assists.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's a better playmaker and passer
But, other than that, they’re totally identical!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before you get slammed for that comment
you are right. If you watch games, Hedo is a better defender than Outlaw.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like saying he's a better defender than Steve Nash
Irrelevant.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PRETTY much
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but his playmaking ability
worth about $6 million more per year on average? I don’t know. What I do know is that Hedu is not a good shooter like many media report him as being. He is lazy when he is not really involved in the offense, and although he may be a better defender than Outlaw it is not by much, and that is not saying much.
One of the main arguements to bring Hedo in is his offense, I don’t believe he is a big enough offensive upgrade over Outlaw to pay that much too. (although i wouldn’t sign him for $5million per let alone $10 million) I want a playmaking PG, not a playmaking SF, we have Batum/Webster and Outlaw to cover the 3 and I feel that as soon as next season Batum will take that over full time. But at the PG spot we are not nearly as solid, that is where i want KP to focus his energies.
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by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the big difference is the passing
Hedo will change the whole team for the better with the passing Outlaw is a blackhole.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Michael Jordan of Turkey
I had my doubts about Hedo being a Blazer until I read the article on ESPN’s True Hoop by Henry Abbot about “The Michael Jordan of Turkey”, aka King of the Pick and Roll. Picture GO driving to the hoop and getting a great pass from Hedo. SLAM DUNK! Yikes! Read it, o ye doubters, and ye shall be converted.
by Original Blazer Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I read it, and I'm not converted
Partly because our offense doesn’t run pick and rolls, much less multiple pick and rolls, to get Hedo free.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Methink if we sign Hedo our offense changes.
And that really isn’t the worst thing. We could use a more dynamic offense.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan hasn't shown in several years that he'll change his offense for anybody.
by AK1984 on Jul 1, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offensive version of Scott Skiles
Only there isn’t a Ben Wallace on the team to lead a mutiny against him.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Hedo comes in it will change the game
He isn’t going to just hold and shoot if someone breaks to the rim and is open he will get the ball. Hedo vs. Out law driving Hedo can pass out for an open 3 with more BB smarts then OUtlaw.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would rather have the ball in Brandons hands
99 times out of 100 over Hedo..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo plays like Brandon Roy dipped in molasses
Ssssssssssllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww…….
And he’s a crappy shooter.
By all means, KP… Sign him up! Let’s let the Blazers live in futility for abother decade.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy himself has proven you don't need speed to be successful
But I can see you will never think Hedo is a good signing. To each their own I suppose.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's a lot quicker than you give him credit for
Maybe not up and down the floor, but off the dribble he’s got some of the fastest feet out there.
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo is a lot quicker than you give him credit for. His long, long strides are pretty effective.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just saying he isn’t that slow. I don’t want him as a Blazer at all.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok just checking.. thought you went to the darkside
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a style that can age gracefully. Not dependent on athleticism.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let´s forget about the offer
it doesn´t matter, we won´t have capspace after this summer and Paul Allen is rich and loves the team.
Hedo is the best free agent option we have, but I hope we still get a better pg in HInrich or ( the much better) Harris.
It´s gonna be hard to get the veteran backup pf, because we won´t have any of the exceptions but that´s less important.
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We have that Ike Diogu trade exception
should be able to net us a decent backup PF
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could also just get Diogu.
I mean, Sacramento just let him go and he broke out a little with them. There certainly are worse choices.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to renounce it to sign Hedo.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See my post below.
You have to renounce all exceptions to use cap space to sign a player that isn’t your own. You don’t get to use up your cap space and then also sign someone with a midlevel exception or trade exception. That’s why we won’t be getting a Brandon Bass or McDyess if we use our space on Hedo or someone like that.
by redblazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to renounce all of our exceptions (trade exceptions, midlevel, etc.) to use our cap space to sign a non-Blazer free agent like Turk.
You can only use exceptions if you are a non-capspace using team. The Diogu trade was more about getting under the luxury tax last year than getting an exception to use.
by redblazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I learned something today.
Thanks.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah baby!
EXPIRING CONTRACTS ALL THE WAY.
It’ll be even better in the lockout year when Turk shows up 20 pounds overweight and is reduced to taking fadeaway three points for an entire year.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turnover's arent' really a problem
“Turnover prone”: He gets 5 assists per game. You aren’t going to get that without some turnovers. His 2:1 ratio is basically the same as Hinrich’s was this past year. It wouldn’t make him an all-star as a PG, but it is pretty good.
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by hoopla-pdx on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially for a shooter
Even a bad shooter like Hedo…
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by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just picturing Nate wiping his mouth with a napkin
Eating at an outdoor table.
I wonder…if he can feel our collective angst, palpable enough to set the air on fire.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
make it happen people
Send the bad vibes.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's gonna picket the PF?
Suggested Blazer banner: “HEDO GO HOME! — or at least to the Raptors”
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is to blame for this
it’s probably Paul Allen since he told KP to step it up and they’re simply following orders.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 1, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean “thank” right? Not “blame.”
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day, PA is just the owner
KP should know that this summer is the last time in a long time the Blazers can use cap space. He will try to make improvements, but making the right improvements is key. Not sure signing Turk for 4 or 5 years and 40 to 50million is the right decision, in any shape or form. I doubt he would make a decision just to assuage PA. He would have to think Hedo is a great fit for this team…..
Which I certainly don’t.
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re just a garden variety internet denizen.
by Cablinasian on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we could package Cunningham with Hedo at the deadline to get Prince
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
YES PLEASE.
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by twiggs on Jul 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want my very own Hedo Voodoo doll
by Furious Styles on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want a Hedo Voodoo Doughnut
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh i think rudy will turn into the drazen petrovic situation
too good of a player, to not get PT and touches.. sad but true
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by CroRupt on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo Sucks! Hedo Sucks! Hedo Sucks!
Chant w/ me
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hedo sucks
and he would be the clear cut starting SF, what does that say about the Blazers current state at that position? Yikes!
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Turk
does not prevent us from getting Hinrich, Harris or even Kidd ( although Kidd becomes harder to get).
I still don´t think it´s a grat fit, and I think Turk has a lower b-ball IQ than most people think, but it´s better to get Turk +HInrich than only Hinrich.
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Talent wise, yes
But it’s not like we are getting him for free, he wants 9-10 mil a year for 4 or 5 years. That’s terrible for a declining 30 year old 40% shooter. Atrocious. You really want that on our salary?
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I´m not paying it
and we won´t have capspace anyway.
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having a bloated salary
Is bad for flexibility, paying 10mil a year for a dude who is who going to be sitting on the bench in a year or two is not a smart return,
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by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly could be embed that line every 3 or 4 comments so people don't forget it.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why all the Hedo hate?
He helped bring a team to the NBA finals.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Jul 1, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm coming around on this
Fact is, he’s a big upgrade over whomever we have at the 3 on the offensive end. He can take pressure off of Brandon. None of our other 3s can initiate offense, which is Turk’s biggest strength.
I don’t like 5 years, though.
Biggest issue to me is defense. I don’t think you can live with Hedo/Roy/Blake as your primary perimeter defenders. Would this mean that Hinrich is next?
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
clearly someone is next
with 6 wings who all deserve PT, 2 of those should be shipped out, along with Bayless or Blake, for a PG upgrade – defense should obviously be a string key there.
I’m assuming KP and crew have a few things in the work for the roster consolidation that absolutely must follow a Turk signing.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
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by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
strong not string
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
If they sign Turk, this roster makes no sense. We’re not Minnesota with 8 power forwards under contract, but we’re in the neighborhood. Turk would make Trav 100% redundant.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd have a very big team with at on of length
Even if Hedo isn’t a great defender, he did help slow down Lebron in the ECF. This move may not help our defense much, but it certainly doesn’t hurt it.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
length > strength
this should be next year’s slogan, and Hedo’s mug will be up on the grain silos
ew
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What difference does what we pay Turk make?
Once we resign Roy, LMA, and Oden, this team will be so far over the cap it wont be funny. If we sign Turk for 7 mil a year or 15 mil a year, the Blazers will still be over the cap. Same with Kirk’s contract. If the Blazers are going to be playing for championships for the next 5-7 years, they will do so 10ns of millions over the cap, untlil this team gets to old, and we start over.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
And name a team that has won a title in the past 20 years while under the cap.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Allen is going to run the team like that anymore
he has lost a ton of money recently and quite frankly that just bad business.
There is a reason very few teams do that, and the ones that do are in huge markets
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed its bad business
but I think you underestimate how rich this man is. I agree we dont want ZBO or Miles 2.0, but I don’t think thats what Turk is.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose
but this economy has killed him, vista didnt help, and frankly all his other projects outside of microsoft have been failures.. just because he HAS the money doesnt mean he wants to waste it
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what difference did Miles' contract extension make?
same church, different pew
(and I do mean “pew”)
by two4larue on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OHHHHHH My Word
Just got on BE. This news makes me sick in the stomach.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marvin, Artest, Odom, Ariza, Kidd, Bass, Ramon, Gordon...
all would be better than the wonderfully named HTEC…it would be one thing if we heard KP went after these dudes, it didn’t work out, and signed HTEC, but to call him up at 12:01am like he’s one of 20 dudes competing for “the bachelorette,” makes no sense, seriously, don’t tell me we couldn’t have gotten on the phone, told HTEC, “don’t sign with anyone till we find out if we get this restricted FA, bc we’re prepared to offer you 9 mill if it falls through” but to CALL AT 12:01AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd take Turk over anybody on that list
with the exception of Sessions. Blazers dont have the vets to control Artest, he could single handedly implode this team. Ariza looked great next to Kobe, but I would rather stick with Batum if we want that kind of player. Odom, really? If you cant stand the inconsistant Trout, Odem would drive you nuts. Bass, back up PF? No thanks.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small update
according to hoopsworld.com, and I quote:
“if the team does sign Turkoglu the deal won’t be for the widely reported number of $10 million per season – no word on what it would actually be.”
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also looks like Pistons are going after Charlie, leaving Hedo all to us
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Toronto is also in the chase for him
Though nobody seems to be going after him with the same intensity as us.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for the anti-Turks
KP called Roy and Aldridge to get their blessing before making the offer. Dwight Howard is on TV in Orlando begging Turk to come back. Does that give you any comfort?
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of players are bad GMs
Case in point: Thomas and Jordan.
by robrun2 on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the initial shock
is wearing off on me some and beginning to accept the fact that more than likely he’ll be our newest Blazer.
by JoeBlazer on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando fans love Hedo. Blazers fans mostly don't want Hedo.
Solution: He stays :)
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Word from sources close to the Blazers is that if the team does sign Turkoglu the deal won’t be for the widely reported number of $10 million per season – no word on what it would actually be.
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy Idea
but what if Hedo will back up Aldridge? Then I’m all for it.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i know
but it’d be the only way this would be worth it
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Hedo as Travis Outlaw+
play some 3 and some 4…the difference is that Hedo can dribble and pass, unlike Travis.
Love Trav, but he has nooo handles.
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On PF the plus is minimal
Hedo = + 3.5 net positive PER when playing SF (3.2 on PF). That’s not bad, but e.g. worse than Rudy (on SG) already. Travis has a +3.1 when playing PF. Nic has -1.6 on SF but is still incredibly young.
Gerald Wallace has +5.9. Trade deadline target Jefferson has +3.4 and +3.7 on PF.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better to get Odom then for the price
he’s a better outlaw that also rebounds, but doesn’t take fadeaway 20 ft jumpers when Brian Scalabrine is guarding him. AND he plays excellent team defense. He’s a matchup nightmare in a second unit.
by Pheesh on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 million for Odom right now would make me deleriously happy
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this right, we are now saying Odom is a more valuable player than Turkoglu?
Everyone’s gone crazy and free agency is only 14 hours old. Can’t wait to see the stuff posted on Monday!
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
ranking by net defense while on the court:
http://www.82games.com/0809/ONSORT5.HTM
Odom is #4 in the NBA
Ranking by net pt differential while on the court
Odom is #3 in the NBA
The guy is one of the most versatile players in the NBA and an excellent team defender.
by Pheesh on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
So Odom would be our 3? And your objection to Turk is that he’s a mediocre defender and streaky outside shooter at that position?
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’d play the same role with us as he did w/ the lakers…ie stepping in for Travis Outlaw as a matchup nightmare in the second unit.
And where did you imagine my objections to turk? I never said anything about his deficiencies, just that Odom is a better value for us if we can get him for the same price.
by Pheesh on Jul 1, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd rather pay $9 million for a bench player than $9 million for a starter?
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a starter quality player but would be the first player off the bench and play lots of minutes, just like LA. It’s just a label.
Ginobli and Ben gordon are ‘bench players’ in a similar vein.
by Pheesh on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not crazy at all
Turk will play about half his minutes at the 3, and the other half at the 4.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must force myself to be optimistic, their MUST be a 2nd shoe dropping for a DEFENSIVE PG...
I’m actually serious, there is no way in the world KP could be so dumb as to think we want a “crunch time” defensive team of Blake, Roy, & Hedo, there is no way, right? Please help me allay my fears, please!!!
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that yes, we do go get a defensive PG
But if by chance we don’t, the crunch time lineup is Roy, Rudy, and Hedo. If we need defense it’s Roy, Hedo, Batum. Have no worries, we will still be a deep and versatile team.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot about Rudy, lol, but that doesn't improve our "D," and I think people forget that "crunch time" often means...
“tight game, back and forth, and teams that don’t have the ability to switch players from ‘O’ to ‘D’ with every possession
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there has to be a 2nd move here
Roy, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Martell, and Hedo at the wing spots. Only 4 of them can get meaningful PT. 2 of them should be packaged with either Bayless or Blake for a new PG
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jul 1, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Ariza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signing Hedo
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
disagree
Batum will be better than Ariza in 2 seasons and we´d have 2 similar players
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum will be better than Hedo in 2 seasons as well, and Ariza is Better than HEDO & Batum RIGHT NOW.
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, maybe
but Batum and Hedo wil be completely different players, which is a good thing
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Ariza is not Better than Hedo
not even close
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i must admit I am slightly fevered right now, and not using my complete intellect, but seriously, by next May's playoffs, with Hedo's decline with age, and Ariza's continued improvement, it will be close...
and I do believe Ariza fits our “D” needs better
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"decline with age"
dude, hes 30, not 37, Turk can play his game for another 3 – 4 years. With your logic, B Roy only has 3-4 good years left. If thats the case, why did MJ win the majority of his rings in his 30’s? Answer, there is a point for most athletes where talent and experiance combine to create a players “prime,” which tends to happen 8 – 12 years into their profession.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Decline with age.." watch Hedo's games this year/
I’m not saying he’ll drop off of a cliff, but to think he’ll be better next year at 31 is certainly realistic, and to think Ariza won’t continue to improve by next year…Turk will be 33 by the time playoffs start in 2 years, and yes, some players do start to decline by that time, he’ll be a 9 million role player by that time for us, and, again, I’m not 100% using the intellect today bc I’m ticked, but seriously, I believe guys are a much better fit than Hedo
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arguably, Batum is better than Hedo right now
in discreet ways of course
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Committment
Man, the Blazers front office is COMMITTED to this smoke screen. I like this sort or stubborn gamesmanship.
…wait…
I just had a thought. What if it isn’t a smoke screen? Oh God…
by LaColin on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
List of players people have said said are better than Turkoglu:
Trevor Ariza
Lamar Odom
Nicolar Batum
Travis Outlaw
Brandon Bass
Ben Gordon
Marvin Williams
Perspective, people?
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 million
This is a good player. He may not be the guy you want, but come on.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's about value
Although some of those are a little tenuous.
by robrun2 on Jul 1, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should I be worried that 21 small forwards had a better PER than Hedo last season? Incl. Travis
When offense is Hedo’s calling card? When KP has stated time and again how he values PER/VA e.g. when talking about what Oden and LMA can do?
LeBron James
Danny Granger
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Caron Butler
Brandan Wright
Gerald Wallace
Paul Pierce
Josh Howard
Anthony Randolph
Corey Maggette
Stephen Jackson
Marvin Williams
John Salmons
Ron Artest
Trevor Ariza
Richard Jefferson
Rudy Gay
Grant Hill
Travis Outlaw
Tayshaun Prince
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apples and oranges
Travis has a better PER because he catches and shoots, period. Hedo had a lot of responsibility for starting Orlando’s offense in the half court. He averaged 5+ assists.
Chuck Hayes has a higher PER than T-Mac.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it sure Hedo would do more than catch and shoot in our offense?
Would he improve Roy or take shots away from him? What makes catch and shoot more effective than driving to the basket? PER is for sure not perfect, but for a player who is mostly about offense it’s a bit weird to see him pretty far down there. And as stated above his net number on PF was almost exactly the same as Travis, and net positive around 3.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thankyou for reminding me "statistically" just how much I dislike Hedo...
when you take into account how “perfect” Dwight was to help with Hedo’s outside shooting, it makes it even worse, Hedo was in a really good system for him…sighhhhhh
by irish3 on Jul 1, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and ADD the following players who were listed in the PF list though they play SF often
Josh Smith
Lamar Odom
Andrei Kirilenko
Hakim Warrick
Renaldo Balkman
Shawn Marion
Tyrus Thomas
Thaddeus Young
by Pheesh on Jul 1, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
is this really happening?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard
Nate will be taking Hedo to the Portland Timbers – Seattle Sounders game tonight! ;)
by Daaaaave on Jul 1, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank goodness
that will sway him to Toronto
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am reassured by the OUTCRY against this "turkey" move...
I am going to assume, until proven otherwise, this is just a smokescreen (that could be a smart move). Maybe Nate likes the idea, maybe its, “Hey, sure Nate, you check him out !”…. But, ultimately, fugedaboutit. I hope we don’t shoot our cap space wad on this. Not that Tuirk wouldn’t be nice to have, but I think we have a more pressing need. The Sergio dump virtually broadcasts “incomming point guard”. My hi-pri pickup is somewhere in the point guard department. I am trusting, somewhere, quietly, that is being developed.
by Berkeley on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is it an either/or?
A lot of posters think this only make sense in combo with another PG.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 1, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Artest backup plan: Play for L.A.?
from Ron’s agent:
“Ron’s tight with Kobe,” Bauman said. “From a basketball perspective, the Lakers make perfect sense. Ron is a winner. His best fit is when he’s on a winning team. He shoots the three, posts up smaller guys, and defensively he’s a beast. Certainly those are skills a contending team would find attractive.”
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Ron's tight with Kobe" ??????????????????
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're respectful of each other
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very tight.
Not now, Ron. I have a headache.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sweet nothings
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"his best fit is when he is on a winning team"
law of averages. sounds like a loser to me.
by LaColin on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Wilcox not resigning with the Knicks
per Rotoworld.
Would we be interested?
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he'd like to be a back up, I would.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say yes depending on his contract.
maybe a 1 year deal to make him play hard
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just reeks of Trenton Hassell.
Using us to get a biger pay day with someone else.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
USE US!
I hope someone else is stupid enough to pay him that much money.
by robrun2 on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may have a point.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jul 1, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna vomit if this goes down
Plzplzplz don’t sign Shedo T.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much the Bucks offered Sessions.
Why not throw and offer that way, just to see what’s up?
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So far just the QO to make him restricted
Which in his case is just $1 million.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeh, i'm just saying what is the ceiling they'll pay for him
5 million? 7 million? 10 million? is it worth our time to try and steal him away?
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill meeting with Suns today, per Rotoworld….he might be a good vet to pick up on the cheapo. He’s been playing for under 2 mill a year the last 2 years.
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He isn't better than any of our SFs.
Where would he play? At least Hedo would be the unquestioned starter.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like a good veteran presence for our locker room, especially if we are talking 2 years at 1.5 million per year
a lot different than 50 million over 5 years
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he'd probably play limited minutes along with Batum and Webster
just a cheap alternative if we want to spend our cap space elsewhere.
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo better not start
Not when Batum has the chance to really bloom this year
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Batum is a better starter than Hedo?
Again, gain some perspective. Batum won’t be at Hedo’s level for another two or three years, at which time we can simply switch them and have Batum start and Hedo be the 6th man.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's started plenty of games this season
and it’s all about development. batum’s decent enough that his good plays make up for the occasional mistakes he might make. he’s got a very high BBIQ.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also only played 15 minutes a game.
He was only a starter because he was on the floor at the start of the game. He didn’t get anywhere near starter’s minutes. But if you think Batum is a better option than Hedo as a starting SF, I guess there is no hope for you to see my reasoning anyway.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't necessarily see Batum as a better player
…yet. it’s just that the development/experience he could earn with starters minutes next year are critical, and they could rocket him to a veteran level. much better than playing Hedo, who’s at his peak if you ask me.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Hedo is at his peak and Batum isn't
But you want to bench the guy who’s at his peak and start the guy who isn’t? Hedo doesn’t stop Batum’s development you know.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it doesn't give Batum maximum development
i mean even if we don’t sign Hedo, batum probably won’t start anyway. but if we sign want to sign Hedo, might as well just start Batum.
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to pursuing Mike Conley?
by thetsaiguy on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not taking rubio.
Cemented that he would stay
by LaColin on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On executive level that died last November, or latest after the Miles e-mail
But some fans kept the hope alive.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine the things we could be talking about if
didn’t happen.
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Miles just cost us $9 million per year. Hedo could cost us $10 million per year.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean 9 million for one year?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hedo will be on the hook for 4, maybe 5 years
yikes. i guess it doesn’t matter since Roy, LMA, Oden kills our capspace anyway, but still
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a non-trivial possibility that we lost a ring or three because of that.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me happy
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah come on, you've got a soft spot for the Blazers
you know you do.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
he knows thaw we know that he know he does.
by LaColin on Jul 1, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Brandon Roy, and the Rose Garden
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are a closet Blazer fan
you just have trouble admitting it, just like Knickfan.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had landed Rose in the lottery (one number), he would be
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Portland had landed Rose he'd be backing up Steve Blake
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's funny
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, I enjoy watching the bizarro 2007 Chicago Bulls
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that smarts.
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so?
Who else could the Blazers have got?
by tominhawaii on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Snow.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would give us 9 million more to work with for FAs or lopsided trades
That’s a huge deal.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not buying it
If you look at the list on the left, I would only want about 5-10 of those guys and none of them are available.
by tominhawaii on Jul 1, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the great "what if."
Hedo would be a lock, we’d probably grab Bass, and then make a lopsided deal for a PG. And we’d still have cap room!
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darius looks out of it
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 1, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more i think about, im ok with this
Turk being the playmaker, be able to find a open player like LMA or B roy and run the pick n roll with Oden and nobody can defend it becasue of his height
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 1, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Hedo
could take pressure off Oden as well. If the Blazers have a consistant, playoff producing SF, Oden is the 4th or 5th option for scoring. This gives him time to become a better offensive threat, without sacrificing years off B Roy’s knees.
by bad karma on Jul 1, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heeeeeeedoooooooo
Lets be real about this.
I would not be mad at signing Hedo at all. With whats going on in the Western Conference, we need to get better and Hedo is a better SF than anybody we have on the roster. He can handle the ball, hit big shots, makes the right pass, and has playoff experience.
But the last thing we should do is get in a bidding war with a desperate Toronto team, or pay this guy superstar money. He is a solid free-agent, but Im not sure he gets us to the Championship.
I hope (and I know) that KP is keeping all options open, and I would much rather make runs at Trevor Ariza because of his defense, age, and upside. OR Ron Artest.
But if we end up with Hedo, I think the Blazers will be a top 4-5 team in the West.
Go Blazers
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
by Derftron on Jul 1, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let us not forget: "In KP We Trust."
It’s right there on the side of the Blazer souvenir coin.
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to hear that the Blazers are after Turkoglu.
What do we do when we hear things we don’t want to hear? When someone tells us something that we don’t like? What’s our first reaction? Are we angry with the person who told us this thing? Are we frustrated with them? Do we ignore them? Do we question their intelligence? Do we find a way to get back at them? Do we find a reason to doubt them? Do we find a way to refute them, proving ourselves right once and for all? Telling people what they don’t want to hear is difficult. Actually listening to what you don’t want to hear is even harder.
I don’t want to hear that the Blazers are after Turkoglu.
But maybe it’s time I started listening.
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μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pssst!
The Blazers are after Turkoglu. And it’s going to be okay. I promise.
by GMan83201 on Jul 1, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still doesn't mean I like it.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs