Sergio Rodriguez Headed to The Big Apple?
by flynn4blazers on Jun 9, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
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Portland who also was playing hard for Philadelphia's Andre Miller at the trade deadline seems to be interested in signing either him or kirk hinrich via free agency this off season. Andre Miller would be hard to sign because the Sixers really have no real point guard behind him to run that team. It is known around the NBA community that Portland wants a polished veteran at point, but it's a matter of who does portland want to give up in return for that point guard. Jerryd Bayless in my opinion does not seem to be ready to be a floor general in the NBA and i dont think he ever will be. I loved Steve Blake until he made Aaron Brooks look like a God in the Playoffs this last year and when he tried to be game hero taking a 30 foot three with 16 seconds left in game 4 of the houston series. Sergio is always mad and though he seems like an unselfish player he is actually quite the opposite. He dribbles the ball to much and takes bad shots, when he does pass he makes fancy passes that are unneccesary and often times he dribbles to the ned of the shot clock and then throws up a desperate shot that he will make 1 in 15 tries. Send him to New york because quite frankly I dont want him.
Once again possibilities are flowing here the blazers could trade up in the draft for Eric Maynor or Johnny Flynn and also Ramon Sessions, Kirk Hinrich and Andre Miller are free agents this off season. Starting with Sessions he averaged 12.4 PPG, 5.7 Assists per game, 1.1 steals a game and a shade under 2 turnovers a game. While he is definetly a better defender than steve blake his 3 point shooting of 6-34 and 17% does not fit well with the blazers 3 point shooting style. Kirk Hinrich as a backup playing almost the same amount of minutes a game as Sessions averaged 10 ppg,3.9 assists per game and 1.3 steals a game to go along with a 40% clip from long range. His defense is very good and he would also be an upgrade over steve blake and more than Sessions he fits the blazers syle of play. Andre Miller in 10 more minutes a game averaged 16.6 points a game, 6.5 assists per game and 1.3 steals a game but similar to Sessions he shot a horrendous 28% from 3. A point guard for these blazers must be able to shoot the long ball, maybe that is why portland is so intrigued with Stephen Curry.
Lastly in my mind at this point Ron Artest is an option that the blazers should take a second look at. With LaFrentz gone as well as his 11 million dollar salary off the books Portland could throw 7-9 million dollars at him while right now he makes 7.4 milloin i could see the blazers potentially pushing hard for him. I like Nicolas Batum but he is not strong enough to hold the likes of kobe or LeBron. Artest is strong and physical and gets in the opposing players head, he plays tenatious D at times and is a good 3 point shooter. He realized his role in Houstona and played it to perfection and he would probably do the same in Portland. considering his man crush on Brandon roy i think portland would be a fit. The only problem is how hard will houston push for him, because without him they will not be the contender they were this year.
Its going to be some off season here the one that maybe is just important as next off season, while some teams may pick up key role players this off season to go along with the levy of super stars next off season.
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Welcome flynn4blazers
That was quite the first post! The title of your fanpost threw me off, because I figured it would all be able Sergio, which was still being discussed in this fanpost. But you actually had a much larger take on the Blazers overall summer dealings.
I feel the Blazers should send Sergio to NY if possible, but that is more for Sergio than the Blazers. But KP is not going to trade him there just to trade him, he will want value in return. As for the point guard, I am on record for wanting Hinrich, unless Kp can do a miracle trade for CP3 or Rondo. And I feel the team should trade out of the 1st round, no more rookies, and no more depending on rookies to make major contributions, the time to win is now.
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yeah I have been a blazer fan for my whole life and am really excited about these next couple years to come. I also agree we should either trade out of the first round or trade up and acquire that point guard. After we get a guard though i think we will not need to rely on the draft for many years to come as our team is quite young
get rid of travis outlaw
by flynn4blazers on Jun 9, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Great first post
Free agency wise? I think we are much better off spending 10million in free agency on Artest rather then Hinrich
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
not me
I don’t want any part of Artest here, but that is because I really believe in Nic, I feel he is the perfect SF for this team going forward and I want him starting and playing big minutes next year. I think our SF rotation is pretty good with Nic and Webster, ( I feel Outlaw is more of a 4 and will be traded this offseason). Which makes our biggest weakness at the PG spot, I am comfortable with Blake and Bayless holding that down next season, but I would like to see an upgrade over Blake if it can be made, and to me Hinrich is a big upgrade, I know others don’t feel the same way, but one year of Blazer fans watching him for 82 games and even they will be sold.
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Nic is the future...
…and possibly the present. All he was asked to do last year was play solid defense and only shoot if he could see the moon. The more we ask of him, the more he will provide. This guy is gonna be better than Tayshaun. Book it.
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Nic is trade bait. toted around all season as a starter. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
haha thats funny
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 9, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
David Lee is a good player
but he won’t settle for backup minutes at the 4 and LMA isn’t going anywhere and neither is Przybilla. It’s creating a logjam and over paying for it. I don’t see him coming here, not because he isn’t good enough, but because he’s too good to fill our actual need.
Everybody keeps saying that.
But nobody knows it. Winning makes it all better. I think if we got David 26-31 minutes backing up the 4 (3/4) and 5 (1/4 in small ball) and give him a legit shot at a title year-in, year-out he would probably be game. Don’t know it – but I would bet on it.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
10 million per year on David Lee
Would be better spent on Artest, in my opinion.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 9, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I gonna agree I would rather have ARtest then Lee
Defense is what the champions have. No?
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 9, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Sending up a searchlight for SergioFTW
I am guessing that dude is tired of setting the record straight on unmitigated Sergio bashing.
too bad as he was a really good poster.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 9, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Let me take a stab
Sergio is always mad and though he seems like an unselfish player he is actually quite the opposite. He dribbles the ball to much and takes bad shots, when he does pass he makes fancy passes that are unneccesary and often times he dribbles to the ned of the shot clock and then throws up a desperate shot that he will make 1 in 15 tries.
Please limit your claims to those that could conceivably be documented. “Sergio is always mad ….” Hmm. I will concede that he is extremely competitive, and that he wants to play. He does not want to remain in a situation where he is unlikely to play much. Always mad?
Selfish? Sergio, more than any other Blazer, makes it his business to try to get other guys their shots. He doesn’t shoot unless he has an open shot that he thinks he can make. Missing a shot does not make it a bad one. The over-dribbling criticism comes up periodically, and as far as I can see it results from the other players just standing around. Rudy is practically the only Blazer who’s always in motion. If the other guys would occasionally cut for the basket or go back door, they’d magically find the ball in their hands and an easy bucket, thanks to Sergio. Heck, he can even make Joel look like a reasonable offensive threat!
Sergio will occasionally put too much mustard on a pass, it’s true. But more often than not he succeeds and the result is pure entertainment. And that’s what basketball is about, by the way. I don’t want to see a bunch of guys plodding up and down the floor. But hey, to each his own.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
nice
I like the part about Sergio needing some motion. some complain that he only passes to Rudy, but Rudy is usually the only guy moving without the ball so he is the best player to get the ball and the most deserved.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 9, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said
I tried to rec…but the button dissapeared…Maybe Ben made it so that we can’t rec pro-Sergio posts….only joking Ben you’re great.
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 9, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Overdribbling is part of Nate's system
Our “plays” take a long time to set up. The PG just dribbles into position while the setting up occurs. If the first option of the “play” fails, the PG backs out and tries again. If this fails twice, the shot clock is winding down and someone has to take a rushed shot.
When we’re not running plays, the lack of movement is what kills us. Chasing Rudy all around to keep him from getting open is one thing, but can you imagine trying to stop 3 guys in constant motion from getting open?
although it IS true that unless its a fast break
sergio never starts a play until 8 seconds or less are left on the shot clock..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 9, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No it isn't
This statement is just false.
by Zaig on Jun 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i never see him get a play started on time. its probably my most hated attribute
of sergio. not the turnovers, not the crazy passes.. the fact that he holds the ball until there is almost no time left.. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 9, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
and blake can't either unless he lets the ball roll over the half court line, and EVEN then he'd still be dribbling by the time the clock hit 12.
completely baseless either way ….
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
That's how every PG on our team works
Even Roy. I’d have to see something like “average time left on Shot Clock” with various PGs in the game to buy this.
by Zaig on Jun 10, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah never is a bit strong
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 9, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
still here
since it is all-but-guaranteed Sergio will go, I’m taking a break from defending him. in some sick way i always looked at advocating for sergio with other fans as something that could produce tangible results in the real world, as tiny as they might have been (him getting more respect, enthusiasm from fans could eventually trickle down into more PT). Now that idea is irrelevant, soi still read here a lot but don’t often have the need to interject.
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Ron Artest is a no-go.
He’s had character issues in the past, including (lest we forget) the big brawl in Detroit.
He’s been relatively quiet lately, but you could liken that to a ticking time bomb. Do you really want the Blazers to go down that road again?
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
Ron Artest is a bo-zo.
He’s a wacky doodle.
His team’s FANS call him “Crazy Pills.” The rest of the league is more succinct.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Just curious but what are you basing your Bayless comment on?
“Jerryd Bayless in my opinion does not seem to be ready to be a floor general in the NBA and i dont think he ever will be.”
He’s played a total of 655 NBA minutes…
Blazer Fan
in an entire season!!!!
he’s a scrub bench him. j/k :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Good discussion. My 2 cents...
Sergio – yes to NY. Perhaps get a future 1st rounder in return? Would also love to get David Lee, maybe we could include Outlaw in a package?
PG – would prefer Hinrich over either Sessions or Miller, but would not kill me to see Blake for another year. Also hope Bayless gets backup spot; we need to see what he can do.
Artest – NO. We should grow along with Batum and Webster. Agree that Batum will be another Prince.
I agree with many who say no on Artest.
I think he is great, but we have young talented SFs to fill that spot that will fit our BRoy window in its entirety. They are cheaper too.
Expanding on my post
first off I would like to thank everyone for reading and commenting my post (Im only 14 years old just turned on june 4th) I have been around lots of basketball minds in the past two years met lots of players talked to some agents about how the nba works and even have talked with ime udoka about the blazers. Though i am young i saw jerryd bayless in high school, on his aau team and in college and he is not a point guard. The NBA is the most elite league in the world it is extremely hard to change positions during your career and be successful. If Bayless stayed in college and developed into a good point guard I may see more potential in him, but at this present time I cant see him being our point guard. A slashing 6’3" guard who cant shoot that well is not my idea of a point guard that can lead his team to an NBa championship.
On Sergio when i said he is always mad I made a mistake and should have said he can be a distraction at times. for instance last year before a game in Orlando he randomly requests a trade. im sure thats what the team needed to hear before the game.
I strongly disagree with some of the opinions on Artest. Ok he made a couple of mistakes in his past, but those are in his past. He displayed this past season that on a good team he can succeed and also be a very good team player. I dont see outlaw being a Blazers much longer and Martell’s future seems a little cloudy to me.
get rid of travis outlaw
by flynn4blazers on Jun 9, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, you are entitled to your opinions.
Everybody’s got at least one of them around here. We’ll look forward to hearing more of yours…
"Just kidding"
I'm an Artest fan....
welcome aboard by the way.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
+1 for Martell's future seeming hazy.
I’m not for giving up on the guy at all. But I’m not for counting on him to be a piece of our championship team either.
And again, love for Artest is great, I just don’t think we need him/it’s worth it.
(I gave my rec to your OP)
bah humbug.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Artest was a good team player
because he is a free agent this summer and will be looking for a contract.
A couple of mistakes in his past? He has a laundry list of mistakes that caused him to move from team to team. I’ll list them if you like:
Assaulted a fan at the big brawl in Detroit. Received the longest non-drug suspension in NBA history. Requested a trade from Pacers, causing his teammates to feel he betrayed them.
Criticized for applying for a job at Circuit City, to get an employee discount.
Attended a practice with the Indiana Pacers in a bath robe.
Suspended for two games after he asked for a month off because he was tired from promoting an R&B album for the group Allure on his production label.
Suspended for three games for destroying a television camera at Madison Square Garden.
Suspended for four games for a confrontation with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley.
Suspended several times for flagrant fouls.
Animal Services officers issued a “pre-seizure” notice to Artest, on the suspicion that a dog at his home in Loomis was not getting adequate food.
Arrested for domestic abuse.
Thanks but no thanks.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jun 10, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding me?
I take it you haven’t followed basketball in the last 6 years. Everything on the list is documented either by live video (the brawl, trade demand, camera destruction, riley argument, flagrant fouls), police statements/Artest confessions (brawl, dog incident, domestic abuse), or player interviews/beat reporters on the scene (circuit city, bath robe).
Nice try.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
+1
for bringing hot sauce at the age of 14. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
I would have to....
I would have to agree on the sergio not being a very good fit for the blazers and that neither is rudy. I think that if we can get a Toney Douglass or like jonny flynn the blazers will be a very strong team. Ime udoka really needs to bulk up also.
nice first post, I'll enjoy your comments.
Thanks for being cooool.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Good post
Kirk Hinrich actually isn’t a free agent this year. He still has 4 years left on his contract I believe. If Chicago decides to resign Gordon they will likely look to deal Hinrich, but they are going to expect a lot for him. The Blazers probably won’t give up what they want and I agree with that. Hinrich is not worth giving up say Rudy or Nic, when we have a heady veteran point guard in Steve Blake already. I don’t want Miller. Never liked his game. David Lee would be a huge asset in the front court obviously, but is unrealistic since he’d be too valuable not to play and there aren’t enough minutes for him and Lamarcus as well as Greg and Joel.
Stephen Curry is really interesting but I’m worried about his size and quickness.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
Artest
I understand why a lot of people like him, and I am an Artest fan as well. However, the bottom line is that he is a nutjob and those kind of guys always make you pay down the line. I like him, but he’s not worth the risk in my opinion.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
"he is a nutjob and those kind of guys always make you pay down the line."
Rodman really made Pistons/Bulls pay.
By helping them win multiple championships. Thats the type of defender Artest is & crazy energy that is brought to the court.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 10, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
he was still pretty normal in Detroit
and he did help in Chicago, but so did Luc Longley. It doesn’t mean much since MJ was the reason Chicago won championships.
What did he do in SA and Dallas except scare children and the elderly?
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
Chicago
“It doesn’t mean much since MJ was the reason Chicago won championships.”
You have to have complimentary players to win championships, or else the Cavaliers would have taken it this year. Rodman(Rebounding) was one of the greatest complimentary players of all time, so is Artest(More defense/scoring). To undermine what he did for his championships is ridiculous.
Longley helped yes, just as much as Przybilla is helping us. Artest is much closer to the Detriot/Chicago Rodman, then the Dallas Rodman.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 10, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Good job on your post, and welcome!
My thoughts on Batum regarding strength, and I could be wrong.
His frame looks like he can add a lot of muscle mass and still remain lean and fluid.
Although his body looks similar to Tayshaun Prince, I don’t believe it’s going to stay that way. He’s going to gain a lot of strength in the next few years, because he’s right at the age where the strength really starts to come.
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I hope we include Sergio in a larger deal
Or at least the money he frees up brings in another level of player
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
sergio + lebron = amazing
or just lebron.
-Gabby
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jun 23, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
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