Have the Blazers Made It?
Veteran reader Jamon51 send me a nice e-mail yesterday resurrecting a couple of old posts from early in my Blazersedge tenure. Of particular interest was this post from August of 2006. The post was entitled "We'll Know We've Made It When". I had pretty much forgotten about it until Jamon brought it up. It's an interesting measuring stick for how far this team has come in three years. Here is the text, with commentary.
You'll know we've made it when...
1. When you don't read one, single article prior to training camp about how one of our guys has turned over a new leaf, gotten in shape, found Jesus, made up with the coach, discovered a new commitment to defense, or decided to just keep his mouth shut and play this year.
Training camp isn't here yet, of course, but since we didn't see that kind of story last year it's a pretty safe bet we won't find any this year either. Anybody remember the days when the annual Rider/Bonzi/Zach/Darius reformation story was as much an autumn rite of passage as the turning of the leaves? This is one of those things that turns out to be bad by definition. No matter how nice the story seems if you have to say that kind of stuff, you've got the wrong players. Now that we have the right ones the difference is clear.
2. When you can read people's opinions on the team without every second sentence being about the media or any other local institution and how unfair they are in their conspiracies against the organization. That also goes for official team statements.
Ah...the good old days of the media-front office wars. Of course we wrote about them but frankly it made me kind of ill to do so. It was like giving a blow-by-blow description of children fighting at the playground. It held as much intrinsic value as The Hills, just with less good-looking people. Thank goodness we're done with that. The Blazers aren't going out of their way anymore to stick a burr in the saddle of every local writer they can find. The media has picked up on the vibe that the public wants some good news along with the criticism, plus they've noticed genuine improvement. Now when there's a tussle you at least know it's about something. Fans still complain about media folks they disagree with but it's less frequent and seems like more of a tangent than a center-stage discussion. We all get to talk about basketball. It's much better.
3. When the front office is unified, organized, free of confusion, and basically quiet in the background...like the foundation that you know holds your house together but otherwise you take for granted and don't notice.
Let's get something straight. Kevin Pritchard did a marvelous job of hitting the campaign trail the moment he became the team's General Manager. He was spokesman, cheerleader, and authority figure all bundled together. He did radio, TV, newspapers, podcasts...the whole gamut. You couldn't go a week without hearing him three times over. Tom Penn's media comet was briefer and left less of a trail but he showed himself to the world early as well. Since then both men have done an equally marvelous job of disappearing. The whole front office staff, while more accessible, is at the same time less noticeable on a daily basis than they once were. Nothing is going wrong in the public view. There's nothing much to write about them. They're among the best in the business, they're efficient, and they're dead quiet about it. This is perfect. People instinctively want the celebrity GM but in practice it usually turns out worse than it looks in theory. Bob Whitsitt was the young hotshot type. He had an ego a mile wide and made trades every year. You couldn't help but notice his hand in the mix. It worked for a while, but ultimately that's hard to sustain. The greatest front office folks know how to make the moves that don't grab attention...sometimes even to reject the moves that will. You don't notice the Spurs staff at work. You noticed Isiah Thomas a bunch though.
4. When the team and the arena are owned by the same person.
Done and done. The commitment shows too. This may be the biggest off-court development of the last decade.
5. When you can stop talking about team leadership because on the one hand it's so obvious that there's no question and on the other hand it's so effortless that it doesn't look like you need any.
We're close. On a team this young leadership is always going to be a work in progress. But Brandon Roy is Captain Kirking it up. There's no doubt who belongs in that center seat on the bridge. The effortless part will come with experience. It already looks effortless on Roy's part. There are just a few remaining seams to be patched overall.
6. When all the trade speculation switches from who we want to get to who people are trying to pry away from us.
Again we're close. We've seen a shift this year with Fernandez and Batum...both prized players. The players above them are close to untouchable so you're not going to hear much about them. One or two moves remain before we've truly reached this point. A year from now we should be there...or at least close enough to not notice the difference.
7. When the draft is more of a curiosity than a necessity, summer league is a mild diversion, and everything before the All-Star break is just a warm-up for the real season.
Yeah...this year pretty much qualifies. It surprises me when people say Kevin Pritchard is a draft-move guy and the draft is consistently going to be critical to the Blazers and the centerpiece of his managerial tenure. That has been true up to this point because that's how you build a young, solid, talented team without cap encumbrances or old guys with alternate agendas. That's not discounting KP's acumen. He's clearly among the best the league has ever seen in his draft-day performances. But this can't always be the method. If we're centering on the draft because that's Pritchard's M.O. rather than that being what the team needs our run is never going to get off the ground. You're going to have to recycle more and more resources into the draft to keep getting those high-end picks and results. At some point the returns diminish. We may see more moves yet, as the team's foundation isn't finished yet. But when that core does reach completion its growth and cohesiveness are going to determine the team's success far more than anything that happens in June or July. Excitement only happens in the summer for bad teams. For the good team it comes in spring.
8. When blogs like this one become semi-redundant (hopefully not ever fully) because you can have this kind of enthusiastic conversation about the team with your family, your friends, and even strangers on the street. In this way I'd love it if the Blazers and the Portland community put me out of a job (so to speak).
Well, I haven't been put out of a job, thank goodness. But the resurrection of Blazer talk in the community at large has made the job a lot more fun. The site has grown along with that public interest. It's nice to feel like you're speaking at a rally instead of feeling like a lone voice crying in the wilderness. It's far better when thousands are carrying the standard. It's a good time to be a Blazer fan.
Three years on, have we made it? Almost. We're so close you could probably lean out and break the finish line tape. However there are a new set of standards in front of us...a new race to be run. For all the joy in having gotten this far, most of these things are pretty basic. They're indicative of goodness, not necessarily greatness. That we're able to celebrate them is a measure of how far the team has come. That we have to celebrate them is a measure of how far the team had to come. We're far beyond those brief, dark years when we flirted with the status of worst franchise in the league. We've also got a ways to go before we're flirting with being the best team in the league the way the Drexler and Walton teams did. We saw some of those differences in the season past. Beginning this October we're going to see how the team begins the next leg of the journey.
For now, though, a round of applause for having made it this far would not be amiss.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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He's too modest to admit it
but this is the other article I mentioned to him via e-mail. He nailed this one.
Most pertinent passages:
…I would hush up and do my job. I would not respond to anything anybody said in the press even if I thought it was a smear. I would never speak of their behavior, I would only demonstrate mine. I would also make it as easy as possible for the press to do their job.
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In addition I would throw my fan relations machine into overdrive. I would make sure the best, brightest, and most enthusiastic people were staffing that department. I would bring out every trick—every gracious move in my arsenal—to make sure that within three years when people heard the name “Trailblazers” they’d associate it with giving, caring, contributing. I’d be looking way outside the box for ways to accomplish this.
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I would be willing to wager that if the Blazers made this commitment and stuck to it, the war would end relatively soon. It would be nice to get the chance to find out.
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I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
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by jamon51 on Jun 9, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice work Jamon
Front page kudos indeed.
"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard
Jamon, your footer kills me, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha..........though cutting!
These comments about management mentality/philosophy are thoughtful, and Pritchard fulfills them to a tee. Nice axioms for true successs.
Only thing I’d argue is that, despite not picking in the lottery anymore, the draft will still be important. It’s a good way to get some good, cheap talent, plus every once in a while you can strike it rich on a high pick like Rondo or Granger.
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
by cloudydays on Jun 9, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice nice ride and its not over yet!
This might be my favorite line you have written for awhile (and there are many favorites):
Excitement only happens in the summer for bad teams. For the good team it comes in spring.
Thanks for the retrospective.
"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard
Now on to the next level...
Things to get there would include, 1)having trouble remembering which year in the last 5 we didn’t win it all 2)we hear BRoys name more often than LeBron on ESPN 3)We start talking about which teams in the league have a shot at becoming the next dynasty.
Great Post, way to bring back something from 3 years ago and be so dead on…
by oregonsportsaddict on Jun 9, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions
We're getting closer
sports addict — the first 2 ain’t gonna happen.
1) Great teams remember EXACTLY when they didn’t win it all because it was an unusual occurence;
2) Hate to say it, but Lebron will always be more prominent than Roy. First of all, he’s better than Roy (which only says how great Lebron is), and second, his personality is bigger than Roy’s, and needs to be more prominent. It’s like we hear more about A-Rod than Jeter.
The third — we’re in that category now, being one of the the teams that has a shot at becoming the next dynasty. This team has a little growing to do, needs to up its commitment to defense, fill in a couple pieces. I believe we will forget about the Drexler era and the Walton era once the Roy/LMA/Oden era is done.
October can't come soon enough!
PUT BATUM IN NOW: Rallying cry of the BBIQ appreciation club
Just keep swimming, just keep swimming...
I like 6 and 7
the other ones are old news.
9. Fan swagger. What I mean is our outlook as fans switches from “how do we beat them” to “Can they stop us?”. I may be erroneously attributing my thoughts to other fans, but I know that even this season I was still worried about beating teams like the Hornets, Hawks, Jazz, Heat etc. We were a 41 win team heading into this season and for much of the year there was an aura of nervousness regarding the Blazers’ ability to play consistently at a high level. We didn’t know what we had because we hadn’t done it before. Next season we have the swagger. We are a playoff team. We are a 50+ win team. We are a division (co) champion. We are a team that must be game planned for because we will not beat ourselves.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Yep
Heading into the playoffs, even on a 10-1 run the thinking still was “who do we want to play”
Houston? bad matchup
Dallas? can we ever beat those guys?
San Antonio? bring ’em on!
NOLA? (see San Antonio)
Jazz? will finish too low to be in our wheelhouse
Now, when we can get to the “bring ’em on!” stage re: ALL the other 7 playoff contenders in the WC, then we’ll know “we’ve” arrived
very prophetic indeed...
6. When all the trade speculation switches from who we want to get to who people are trying to pry away from us.
but i’d like to add that i think this sets the bar really very high. wouldn’t the blazers always be looking for ways to tweak their roster?
"So, then, I was like, it'd be really dirty if I put up 42. So I did!" -Brandon Roy, post-game comments after game 2 of the first round of the 2009 NBA Playoffs
short answer
is yes, the roster tweaking never ends
But as a GM you always want to have “too many” assets and be dealing from a position of strength
KP’s getting there
No new stories about guys getting in shape? Story last year was about Martell Webster getting in the
best shape any man has ever been in. This year will most likely about how Greg Oden has been getting into great shape and worked on his post moves. We will never stop hearing these stories.
We also heard a ton about Channing Frye...
…getting into the best shape of his career. One could also throw Steve Blake’s name into that category as I seem to remember hearing a lot about his tireless work ethic and fiery attitude before the season.
Very insightful, Dave.
I vote for this to become a weekly segment during the dog days of summer… digging up an old BEdge post and revisiting the views, predictions (although you’re good about shying from this), and discussion points as they apply in hindsight to the present. You’re the perfect journalist to take on such a task because you’re honest with yourself and the fans. To contrast the prophetic article “You know we’ve made it when…”, I’m sure you can find a few head-scratchers that might bring a few laughs. Perhaps a post in the archives proclaiming Telfair as the pg of the future? Or how about one offering a positive spin on Darius Miles and Zack Randolph? Apologies for John Nash and his unpopular moves?
This is golden.
by mcmillion on Jun 9, 2009 3:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Any fan who thinks the Blazers haven't made it are the type ....
…. whose 104 oz super duper Big Gulp glass is sloshing over the rim and they still see it as half empty.
One thing I’ve noticed is that many fans seem to think winning a championship is the be all end all. Each of us is intitled to our opinion and in my opinion, that sort of mind set indicates a lack of understanding of what sports is about. Winning titles is great, but it is not the only or even most important aspect. For us fans in particular it should be about the journey. Having a team you enjoy watching and rooting for. A team you can’t help but invest part of your emotions in. If they win, fantastic. If they don’t, well you still have the investmnent.
The pre-Pritchard Blazers proved to be a tough bunch to invest in. We wanted to, but they kept pissing our contributions down the drain. This team is different. Any fan who has been dissappointed or dissatified over the last two seasons doesn’t deserve the designation of fan. We have been able to watch and root for a young and likable group of men who have out preformed expectations and grown together as a team. And best of all, the indications are there is still a lot more to come. I believe we saw a peek of that the last few weeks of the season. Weeks in which you could see our guys really starting to believe they could beat anybody they took the court against.
So yes, the Blazers have arrived. We have a team we can give our heart and soul to. A team we can trust to try their hardest to achieve perfection. A team that other fans will look at and wish they had the same. A team to be reckoned with.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 9, 2009 6:50 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Absolutely.
This is a team you are proud to call yours, and no matter what success looks like in the future, they are successfull now.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Jun 9, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i had seen that post too!
i was digging around the archives a month or so ago and read that post. glad you brought it out again..
amazing to think that it was only THREE YEARS AGO!
we all get caught up in minutiae of what is wrong or right with the blazers (which is a blast and thank god we can actually focus on this stuff!), but every once in awhile it hits me how quick this turnaround has been. no we’re certainly not where we want to be yet, but man, there were times when i thought we’d never even find our way back to respectability.
thanks for continuing to post so much in the summer Dave!!!!!! i dont know what i would do here in the Brooklyn Dog Days without BE!!
I'd still honk once!
In my mind,
we’ve made it. Not more than three (THREE?? wow) years ago the city of Portland pretty much wanted nothing to do with the Trail Blazers. They weren’t winning, they weren’t helping the community and were we all tired of seeing their mug shots splashed across The Oregonian. All I can say is, what a difference three years of dedication to becoming a more thoughtful and united organization brings. Even if we never win a championship, I will still remember this team fondly. They brought Rip City back to Portland when we thought it was gone forever.
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I turned around and replied, why yes but I prefer the term
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by Claire on Jun 9, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i'll agree
i’m glad to be apart of the ride even if we don’t win a championship. i think this is what fandom is all about. being there through the ups and downs and the hope that one day a championship might come. its all the endless nights of speculation and trade talk. its cursing at the coach when we lose or watching a youngster turn into a superstar in our eyes.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 9, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If "made it" means being above average, then by all means the Portland Trail Blazers reached that point.
Above average, however, isn’t even within sight distance of the promise land. In my world, I’d rather work hard and be the best or not work at all and fail rather than work hard and do just slightly above the norm.
If someone’s goal isn’t to reach the pinnacle, then they shouldn’t even try in the first place.
Wow....seems pretty cynical
and in a way….insulting. I have spent the better part of the last 30+ years being a fan of this franchise during which they have won 1 title ….the year I became aware of them. Does that mean I wasted the last 30 years? Or that the close but no cigar teams of the early 90’s were failures?. I don’t think so
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I love you."
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I agree with you to an extent, but there's no denying that we have different philosophical outlooks.
I’ve been a diehard fan of the Seattle Mariners and Seattle Seahawks — as well as another pro sports team that’s now defunct — during my, oh, 17 years of cognizant fandom. I’ve enjoyed practically every minute of it, too, but that doesn’t change the importance of reaching the goal of a championship.
Yeah, enjoying the ride is fun and a part of the whole experience; yet, in retrospect, it loses some of its luster if there’s not a championship earned when it’s all said and done.
For example, I altogether loved watching the ‘93-’94 Sonics, ‘95 M’s, ‘95-’96 Sonics, ‘01 M’s, and ‘05-’06 Seahawks all perform at high, intense levels during those respective seasons; however, a piece of me died as a sports fan when each one fell short from obtaining its ultimate objective—especially the ’hawks.
All things considered, cheering for a good, lovable, exciting team is fine and dandy, but nothing beats celebrating a championship victory—nothing!
Perhaps....but how do you know?
I noticed no title teams in there. How do you really know if the title is the end all/be all if you have experienced it. Plus doesn’t the good but not good enough team also make you appreciate it more when they finally break thru. In most ways I value the Drexler era Blazers more than the Walton one because of the journey to get there ….even though they fell short
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
All right, here's my best shot at quantifying my position with an anecdote.
Of all the rides, the ‘95 Seattle M’s was definitely the most thrilling of those above teams.
At that time, I enjoyed everything from the M’s mid-summer run on the comeback trail from 13 games down in the AL West, to me attending a late-season game at the Kingdome when Tino Martinez hit a walk-off blast off of Dennis Eckersley, to the 9-1 victory over the California Angels in the play-in game, to coming back from down 2 games to 0 against the New York Yankees in the ALDS, to Bob Wolcott’s amazing Game 1 ALCS performance versus the Cleveland Indians.
The M’s ’95 season, however, ended the same as each one that came before and after it thus far, with that being in disappointment.
So, my favorite moment involving one of those teams is when the Seattle Seahawks beat the Carolina Panthers 34-14 at Qwest Field in the NFC Championship Game to reach its first ever Super Bowl appearance.
Why?
Well, the simple answer is that watching the Seahawks make it to the final battle — no matter how its shot at reaching the summit was cut off by shady officiating — was a more memorable moment than the M’s magical, yet nevertheless unfinished run in ’95.
As individual players, I’m more fond of Ken Griffey, Jr., Randy Johnson, and Edgar Martinez on the ‘95 M’s roster than Shaun Alexander, Bobby Engram, Walter Jones, and even the first-rate Matt Hasselbeck on the ‘05-’06 Seahawks; yet, as a collective team, I’ll take those ‘hawks over those M’s any day of the week.
When it comes right down to it, I savor the team’s success more than anything else in the end.
Being a sports fan is like sex.
It’s a great ride, but at some point you want a climax.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 9, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
like a Keystone Kops movie?
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
The closer to the goal
the more the disappointment
(As a lifelong fan of the Minnesota Vikings, I know what I’m talking about)
You always think you’ll be back in contention the next year, but it never happens
So when you get close, as a fan you really want a GM who will throw caution to the wind and make that final deal that will push the team all the way to non-ending glory
Believe me, you don’t want to have to live with the regrets of a cautious front office that wouldn’t pull the trigger
I grew up as a fan of the Senators, the Redskins and the Terps.
The Bullets were my NBA team, until I moved to Portland. The Orioles eventually replaced the Senators, once they bolted to Texas.
I’ve spent years watching mediocraty from my sports teams. I’ve also enjoyed at least one World Series title, one NBA Finals title (as well as 3 other Finals appearences) and several Superbowl appearances and titles. Oh, and one NCAA mens BB title.
Titles are great. You love them as fan. It is like the ultimate reward from your team for your investment in them, not to mention the bragging rights you get with fans of other teams. But in the end, it really is about the entire relationship between you and your team(s). If you consider your wedding day as the happiest day in life or the day you made the ultimate commitment, you don’t get divorced repeatedly just to experience it again. Not do you go out and impregnate as many women as you can, just because you enjoy the experience and father kids is the most amazing thing you’ve done. Relationships are more than just the high points.
hakkaa päälle !
Let me follow up on that last thought
What I am saying is that ….I found the Blazers (as a kid) during that championship run of 77. While it was fun to go all the way ….I didn’t have as much emotional investment. I found after following the team between 78 thru 88, that the 89-90 team was much more fulfilling as a fan even thou they didn’t win the title, because of the investment I put into it. I hope that makes more sense
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 9, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I was a 10-year-old kid during the Seattle Mariners 1995 run; still, I can guarantee that if ...
the team had pulled off what the Portland Trail Blazers did in 1977 — which I believe was a similar coming-of-age, cinderella story — then it’d undoubtedly be my all-time favorite sports moment.
Yeah, that’d be in spite of me becoming a baseball fan only in 1994 — as my first love was basketball a couple of years earlier, while I didn’t come around to football until the Dennis Erickson era — and the ride being just a canceled season, a strike, and a cinderella run.
The problem with the M’s cinderella story, however, was that it had a sad end at midnight. Yet, in 1977, the party in Portland went not only deep into the night, but also carried over to the next morning.
But unfortunately I wasn't old enough to party <<Analogy
I just didn’t understand what a unique event it was….not many did unless they signed up in 70 and had to go thru the truly bad expansion years. I also picked the Oakland Raiders as my fav NFL team same year and also got a Super Bowl Win. However….I felt way more excited in 81 and 84 …because I now had lived and died with them for 6 or 7 years. Also BTW, I absolutely loved the 01,02, and 03 teams even though they didn’t win the whole thing (Freakin’ Saragoosa and Tuck Rule)
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jun 9, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying, but at some point
you need to appreciate how far the Blazers have come, and how quickly they did it. Otherwise you’re just setting yourself up for real anguish and torment (well as real as it can get when it’s sports).
Feeling "anguish" when your favorite team falls short of its goal of winning a title is a part of the ...
whole experience. Without the possibility of “torment,” the enjoyment factor doesn’t have any pizzazz or emotionally tangible importance to it.
Without sadness, there is no happiness; there’s just contentment. Let’s just say I’d rather be happy or sad than content. All in all, it’s the up-‘n’-down nature of life — of which sports is an aspect for us here — that makes living it all worthwhile.
How boring would a rollarcoster be if it just went in a straight line rather than up, down, and all around until it came to its final resting point? Exactly …
you're the kind of guy who dates a crazy girl
because she “keeps you on your toes”
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Heck....I'm not saying don't feel bad when they fall short....
That’s part of being a fan. I do get the whole “thrill of victory, and the agony of defeat” bit.
But I’d suggest you can also appreciate a team that falls a bit shoret of a championship. Like you referenced above…..the 1995 Mariners (and for me…the Rodriguez-free 2001 version)…and the 2005 Seahawks. I loved those teams….absolutely loved them. They did not win a championship, but they were fun to watch, won a LOT, and had great chemistry on those teams.
Heck, I enjoyed the Mark Brunell led Husky football team MUCH more than the national championship squad that had Billy Joe Hobart playing QB. Both great teams….but Brunell just made it so much more fun….and he was much less of a jerk than Hobart.
Here’s one last shot at it……as an old geezer, I gotta say it’s important to celebrate some of the smaller successes in life (stop and small the roses as it were)…..if the only thing worth celebrating is the absolute pinnacle, a person is gonna spend a LOT of time unhappy.
"If someone’s goal isn’t to reach the pinnacle, then they shouldn’t even try in the first place."
Not everyone shares this view. Agreed that in competitive sports, the goal is to win, and win it all if you can. But life is bigger than that. In most of what we do satisfaction lies in the doing, not the end result. When I fly fish the day is not a failure if I don’t land a monster. When I spend time with a friend it isn’t a waste if we spend it sitting in a tavern instead of climbing Everest. It seems almost unamerican to admit that one is OK with being content. That life is worth living feeling satisfied with where you are.
I admit it’s something of a paradox to, on one hand, think as I do, that the relentless urge to compete and excel is something of a disease given the lengths we take it to as a culture, and yet be a fan of a professional sports team. But there it is.
This is just begging for a response.
But you seem like a nice guy, so I’ll leave it alone.
Even though the smartass part of me is begging to be turned loose.
As for your point, I would counter that what counts is trying your hardest. Where you end up is less important than how you got there. Now if you know you are not particularly good at something, then trying your hand at something else might be advisable. But I would not go so far as to say that unless you think you can be the very best at something, you shouldn’t ever try.
hakkaa päälle !
NO! Not try
Either do, or do not
There is no try
(it may not work in our personal lives, but when it comes to our sport’s teams…the expectation is that they will build towards competing for a title…and never stop until they win one…unless your team is a small market major league baseball city, that is…)
Amazed at how low the last decade has made our expectations
Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled for this team and love everything that’s happened over the past three years and wouldn’t trade our next 5 years for any other team in the league, but we’ve only really “made it” in the sense that we are a model franchise again.
Basically, we’ve dragged ourselves back to the position that the Rockets have been in for the last 5-10 years, which is still quite a bit below where the Pistons, Spurs, Mavs, and Suns have been in recent history, or even where the Drexler-Porter Blazers were in the late ’80’s/early ’90’s. All of those teams regularly won in the playoffs and were a threat to win a title for at least 2-3 years straight.
Until we can put up a solid showing in the postseason and win a couple series, I don’t think I can say “we’ve made it”. I’ll obviously be disappointed if this team never wins a title, but I’ll be pretty upset if we end up like the Rockets and flame out of the first round for five straight years (I don’t think this is likely, but it’s within the realm of possibility until we prove otherwise).
Would anyone say the early 2000s Kings “made it”? What about the D’Antoni Suns? Yeah, we’re on our way, but we’re a long way from “making it”.
KP and Co. did a great job ressurecting this franchise.
In short order too. The fact that you see so much more info on Oregonlive.com (especially in the offseason) let’s you know that people want as much of this team as they can get. Also this site. I’ve started going to other SBN sites regularly now and this is by far the best one. You look in the sidebar at other sites and the most recent fanposts are all over a day old – here it is not unusual to see the post at the bottom of the list is only a few hours old (good and bad). Everyone involved in the team should be extremely proud, including the broadcasters, bloggers, and fans. We are the class of the league in so many ways. We will be in every way (including championship material) very, very soon.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Clap. clap, clap, clap, clap, clap
There’s the deserved round of applaus. And no, it’s not amiss.
I’m htinking that when we look at next year’s performance against these items there will be even more high fives and man-hugs all around.
agreed
I think this entire process from 2005 or so, to now has been great. It could have taken a lot longer but pritchard has done about the best job you could possibly do. SO PUMPED FOR NEXT YEAR
I disagree that we have achieved point 1
1. When you don’t read one, single article prior to training camp about how one of our guys has turned over a new leaf, gotten in shape, found Jesus, made up with the coach, discovered a new commitment to defense, or decided to just keep his mouth shut and play this year.
Last offseason and this offseason we are still waiting for the arrival of “Da Real Greg”, waiting for Bayless to show he can be the future starting point guard, hoping for Martell’s breakout year, hoping for Travis to add something to his game, and so on. Last year there were lots of articles about this. This year I don’t expect any less.
Yeh but
I think Dave was saying this (back in the day) mostly about off court issues. Not performance issues per say. There will always be speculation about this or that player making a break through in a physical way but not about how this player says that he will no longer go get caught smoking doobies or that player voes to take his job seriously this year and be more of a team player
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 9, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree, it's not the same quality as "boy I hope Eddie Curry comes to training camp in great shape" which will never happen or "lets hope this player has give up drinking and smoking"
Still I thought it’s a little to easy to brush everything aside and say “we made it” when in reality we are still hoping for two key players/positions to be resolved. It’s not the same situation as San Antonio in their prime.
They have made it and it seems almost a miracle.
I think the next step is about managing expectations. I´ve already seen some trouble there and I expect a lot more trouble next season.
We will have made it for sure
When we win a playoff series…but we’re very close.
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This may not be the right post to discuss possible free agents but...
when I read #7:
“When the draft is more of a curiosity than a necessity, summer league is a mild diversion, and everything before the All-Star break is just a warm-up for the real season.”
The first thing I thought of was… Leon Powe fits that need pretty well. We can buy low because of the injury, Outlaw can be our backup pf for the first half of the season, and we’ll have a banger-type pf for when the playoffs come.
There was a nice article I found browsing the Celtics SBN site discussing how the Celtics offensive efficiency actually improved after KG went down. Their conclusion was that it was due to improved 3 point shooting, but obviously it has to do, in part, because Powe is a solid backup. Beyondbowie.com also did a nice statistical look at the FA power forwards and found Powe a solid target.
I guess we haven’t quite accomplished #6:
When all the trade speculation switches from who we want to get to who people are trying to pry away from us.
I doubt we ever will with KP on our side.
Powe should be a target
“They say” that an injured player should never be a trade target
But if you have the medical records and it’s a reasonable risk that he’ll recover and return to productivity, then it’s OK to acquire a player when he’s hurt and take responsibility for his rehab
It doesn’t happen often, but if the player’s skills match the roster’s need, then don’t hesitate to “buy low”
I'm really glad we've gotten to this point, but.....
I, dare I say it, kind of miss some of the Jailblazers. Yeah, I said it. Don’t get me wrong, they were horrible people, terrible role models and I hated my team losing a bunch. But there were some pretty hilarious stories from that era and yeah, I liked Z-Bo.
Life is hilarious.
I must admit....
Qyntel offering a policeman a copy of his rookie card in lieu of a drivers license STILL cracks me up. I do not miss him one little bit, but there was truly some bizarre, offbeat humor to be had with the JailBlazers around.
better to read about later than to have to live through
Someday they should get a roast together and bring out all of those old JB stories.
Maybe the upcoming Mike Rice roast will be the time?

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