Rumor: Sergio Rodriguez to the Knicks
Edit from Ben... FYI... Surprise, surprise, Alan Hahn just wrote on twitter "Sergio rumor is bogus" and crossed out 3/4 of his article.
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Does this have to go in the trade drawer? I figured that was for speculation. This is a doggone, honest-to-goodness, rumor. Um...from Newsday via google translator. But still.
What we have is this story from Eurosport Yahoo! that says, loosely translated, the Knicks already have a deal in place to acquire guard Sergio Rodriguez from the Trail Blazers on draft night.
The story doesn't explain any detail of the deal and is mainly about how Rodriguez, who we know is unhappy with his role in Portland, would love to play in New York. What we don't know is how he gets here with a contract that has one year left at $1.8M (perfect for the Knicks short-term, cost-effective goals) before he becomes a restricted free agent.
Clearly, if this is remotely accurate, there will be other principles in the deal. We know the Knicks have had their eye on Rodriguez all season and have had discussions with Portland about him and Travis Outlaw (going in to his final year at $4M). Those talks involved David Lee, but Lee can not be traded on draft night.
Could this involve a move out of the No. 8 spot? Portland has a plethora of picks, from No. 24 in the first round to No. 33, 55 and 56 in the second round. There has been talk that the Blazers are very high on Stephen Curry. Still, the Knicks can't take on salary without giving some up. There is no one-for-one salary match, but perhaps the Knicks could send two of their 10-day guys (Saer Sene and Joe Crawford, for example) as fillers. Both were signed through the end of this season with a partial guarantee for next season just for these purposes.
Emphasis mine.
Alan Hahn's wrong that the Knicks can't get Sergio without giving up salary. They have a few trade exceptions from their myriad '08-'09 midseason deals to offer in return for Sergio's paltry cap figure ($874,000 on draft night).
But I'd assume the speculation of picks involved would have to be correct. While it's some advantage for the Blazers to get further under the cap, Rodriguez makes so little (though it nearly doubles next year....) that's not really an issue.
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Too bad they got rid of Randolph, the Blazers need a banger.
by tominhawaii on Jun 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 13 recs
your first mistake
was taking tominhawaii seriously
never do that again
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Sergio can be successful in the NBA
He just needs to play for a team that doesn’t care about defense and in which his poor shooting is masked by a full court style most of the time. New York, Golden State, Phoenix could all work.
I don’t think Donnie Walsh gives us the #8 pick for him though, unless there’s considerable sweetener involved.
Who were you talking to?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
That's called posting at the top so everyone sees your comment.
As the site grows we’ll see more of it.
Does this comment count?
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Also, can a non-reply to a TiH joke truly be considered non-germane?
Inquiring minds want to know…
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Breaking News!
A non-reply to a timbo joke has been shown to have about the same relevance as a non-reply to a TiH joke.
But Baduk’s comment’s proximity to the top of the page is always a foul.
I was hoping
I was the only one who routinely did this.
you need to have a disclaimer in your sig
“DO NOT TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!”
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"Just kidding"
Whatever. Z-bo is exactly what we need at the 4. He is as Fatty would say a " baller ", not a doughboy.
by dario argento on Jun 8, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Z-bo is a Doughboy
You are what you eat, and Z-bo loves Doughnuts. Voodoo Doughnuts.
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
Actually, he wouldn't be a bad backup for Aldridge.
If he could accept that role. That’s a mighty big if.
וָאֹמַר אוֹי-לִי כִי-נִדְמֵיתִי, כִּי אִישׁ טְמֵא-שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי, וּבְתוֹךְ עַם-טְמֵא שְׂפָתַיִם, אָנֹכִי יוֹשֵׁב: כִּי, אֶת-הַמֶּלֶךְ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת--רָאוּ עֵינָי.
Ya, as in if pigs could fly, zbo might accept that...
Oh wait… swine flu. Wow thats a terrible joke….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 8, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking the same thing DS
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Z-bo is too expensive for that
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
The Clippers would LOVE to trade him away
Hmmmmm….that sounds familiar…..
And if KP traded for Zach, I would immediately call for a test of his sanity.
by Storyteller on Jun 8, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quoting a source is worth its own post
Trade Drawers are for speculative posts, like “Wouldn’t it be cool if Chicago would give us Hinrich for luxury tax relief?” Things that have no links, and are based on the poster’s imagination, ESPN’s Trade Machine and a liberal dose of boredom.
Speculative posts are fun, but this is an honest to goodness link. Thank you for bringing it over.
וָאֹמַר אוֹי-לִי כִי-נִדְמֵיתִי, כִּי אִישׁ טְמֵא-שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי, וּבְתוֹךְ עַם-טְמֵא שְׂפָתַיִם, אָנֹכִי יוֹשֵׁב: כִּי, אֶת-הַמֶּלֶךְ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת--רָאוּ עֵינָי.
by T Darkstar on Jun 8, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sergio has to go (just not good enough)
If the Knicks are willing to take him, good for them..
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the question is whether the Blazers would literally give him away
for the privilege of not paying him in ’09
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 8, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
if we are trying to clear space
another $875 k can’t hurt
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
1.58 million it turns out
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I think their saraly cut is for 2010.
Sergio’s contract fits into that time frame. Lets them have a test drive before they have to decide if they want to commit to him.
וָאֹמַר אוֹי-לִי כִי-נִדְמֵיתִי, כִּי אִישׁ טְמֵא-שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי, וּבְתוֹךְ עַם-טְמֵא שְׂפָתַיִם, אָנֹכִי יוֹשֵׁב: כִּי, אֶת-הַמֶּלֶךְ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת--רָאוּ עֵינָי.
yup
they’d be effectively paying double for Rodriguez since they’ll be over the tax threshold…but as you said, it’s only for one more season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 8, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
not good enough for our system/coach/players
I firmly believe Sergio can and will be a very effective 20mpg guy for a team who’s willing to stomach his weaknesses in order to take advantage of his strengths. Playing in NY under Mike D, he will look good. Good for him.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
yeah.
Sergio in a D’Antoni system will probably average about 6 assists. But if Sergio goes there, what of Duhon and NateRobbed(two dunk contests)?
good question
any word on whether they even want to keep Nate? I would imagine Duhon would still start, with Sergio getting around 18-20 per game off the bench, getting it consistently, and not having to be worried about being pulled if he makes a mistake.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
competition
I would see Sergio and Duhon in a competition for PG minutes… But, yeah, with Sergio on the Knicks’ roster, there’s less playing time for Nate Robinson.
They can have a PG-by committee
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 8, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I would love to think that it involved the #8.
It’s probably their 2010 second round pick (we already have their 2009 2nd round pick).
וָאֹמַר אוֹי-לִי כִי-נִדְמֵיתִי, כִּי אִישׁ טְמֵא-שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי, וּבְתוֹךְ עַם-טְמֵא שְׂפָתַיִם, אָנֹכִי יוֹשֵׁב: כִּי, אֶת-הַמֶּלֶךְ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת--רָאוּ עֵינָי.
Some stuff from the original source
It says that Sergio and his agent already have an agreement with the Knicks for a 2-year extension once he gets there and that the trade is a personal request of D’Antoni. The rest is speculation. It says the source is from inside the Knicks.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
seems like the kind of thing that could have legs
He doesnt’ want to be here
We don’t want him
He is best suited for a system like the one in NY
D’Antoni has liked him previously.
Win Win Win it would seem.
What’s the over under on how many games he plays in NY before someone posts here on BE what a mistake we made letting him go? That system is going to accentuate his strengths for sure.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 8, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll say that right now. Mistake.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 8, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
maybe my memory is a little fuzzy
but I believe D’Antoni was making all player personnel decision in the 06’ draft where the Suns dumped their pick. To me that says they were not all that initially high on him.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Even if D'Antonio was making player personnel decisions, he wasn't making the financial decisions
The sale of that draft pick may have been for reasons outside his control.
possibly
but D’Antoni has not shown much interest in rookies over the course of his career. I am guessing if he really liked him then they would have kept a relatively inexpensive player.
Also, it is D’Antoni moves like Banks and Piatowski that had them spending money on older not so great talent that helped get the franchise to where it is know.
I like D’Antoni and all, but he is a much better coach than a GM.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I was posting in response
to the idea that D’Antoni has like him for a long time, which I think is debatable,
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
he is still a better GM than Kerr
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It was a '06 Suns team going for the Championship
no room for a rookie, but plenty of room for the 3Million $ they got, which they needed to pay his stars’ salaries (Marion, Nash, Stoudemire, 9-Mill Diaw…) + they had already signed Marcus Banks believing he was the answer for backup PG
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
They had not signed banks until July 06'
Even championship caliber teams know that there future has to come from some where. They mortgaged everything on that team with no eye to the future.
Dumb move on the GMs part, of which dropping that pick was one of many missteps.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
he was ordered by the owner to sell the pick
the guy is cheap.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine it's real.
I’m sure his agent would love the possibility of getting Sergio to the Knicks, but if the deal was in place he wouldn’t have any reason to float that rumor to the press.
KP recently mentioned that agents float rumors a lot in an attempt to get teams talking. That sounds like this might be the case.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 8, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way, it makes me angry how people over here downplay Sergio
He is a very good player who just isn’t a good fit with McMillan’s system around Roy.
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
by DaniBCN on Jun 8, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
agreed
He is an NBA point guard without a doubt. Just not for a coach like Nate who like to run ball control, low turnover, grind it out basketball, which is directly the opposite of what Sergio brings to the table.
Neither one is right or wrong necessarily, just different. Nate is clearly building the style his way, so it’s time to quit trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Different system...
Seems like it would benefit Sergio, but then again, who hasn’t benefited when playing under Mike D’Antoni?
Sergio does not shoot the three-ball particularly well, so he needs to be surrounded by shooters that can spread the floor for him… He also needs a pick-and-roll post player to maximize his strengths, which New York does not have if they fail to re-sign David Lee…
Surge will post an excellent assist-to-turnover ratio in the SSOL system, but unless New York is winning 138 – 122, it’s hard to imagine him improving the W’s and L’s.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
who hasn’t benefited when playing under Mike D’Antoni?
any player outside of his 8 man rotation. Those guys get exactly zero minutes.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Was there anyone worth playing?
Has D’Antoni ever had a deep bench?
When you’re forced to debate playing Robin Lopez and Goran Dragic in lieu of Steve Nash and Shaquille O’Neal, how often would you pick Lopez and Dragic?
Now this is a different debate entirely if you’re deciding between Nash and Rondo, Grant Hill and Luol Deng, Jason Richardson and Joe Johnson…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
neither of those player even played for D'Antoni
He gets his rotation and never trusts his backups, even the ones he picked, like Marcus Banks, to do anything.
As a coach you cant just run down option 1 and never let the backup get his feet wet. So far, player development has not be a D’Antoni strong suit and has set the Suns back significantly.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
You have to have players to develop...
It’s difficult to develop players and still compete for a high playoff seed…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
you dont just stop
trying to acquire talent though.
have them scrimmage hard, put them in the dleague, keep them overseas, but dont just let the well go dry. Just because you cant get on court minutes for guys does not mean you should stop acquiring assets.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
in theory you are correct
in reality RGTD is correct. Had we beat the Lakers earlier in the millenium and gone on to the finals, I’m sure a lot of things would have ended up differently. However because we were so close, but needed to get over the hump we took some gambles and sacrificed our future for the present..the same way the Mavs have done. We gave up ONeal…the Mavs gave up Harris.
It seems like the only team that is content with being above average every year without ever pushing their chips all in to win a ring is the Jazz. They have been a top tier team for awhile without being a contender…I guess this is a tribute to them planning for the future without gambling it away.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
wait
what about the spurs
If you look at the suns personnel management throughout their run it is pretty bad. Do you really think Erik Piatowski is the kind of guy you should waist a bench spot on? How does stashing euro prospects hurt you as well?
The long and short of it is that the Suns messed up and that started as soon as Colangelo was let go and the lost long term planning.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
What about the Spurs?
Quick name 5 players the Spurs have ‘developed’ after they established their “Big 3”…
Stephen Jackson got some decent burn on a championship squad… George Hill was almost put out to pasture during these playoffs…
Roger Mason, Robert Horry, Matt Bonner, Ime Udoka, Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas… They were all established veterans.
If anything, they allow players to develop in Europe, so they don’t have to develop them in San Antonio. The Suns couldn’t afford this luxury because their owner doesn’t have the money…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i'd be curious to see if he changed
now that he is in NY…with PHX they were contenders and they probably didn’t want to sacrifice wins to let some of the younger guys grow. They wanted a high seed, and a lot of wins to please the fans. When you are a contender, you want proven vets on your team and not develop new talent. The Spurs have been so successful over a long period of time bc they were able to balance winning with developing talent. Ime Udoka once said (as a Spur) that they don’t care what seed they get, they have the confidence that they will go deep. That’s a big difference from the standard mentality that teams try to get the highest seeding.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea thats true.
But if you view the the point guard as a quarterback, playing a different offense is more significant .
His stats won’t neccesarily be inflated, just what they should have been here if nate let him play his style.
I honestly think he will be a beast in new york , and be like the tenth or eleventh best point guard in a couple years playing in a fast system.
Thats just my opinion though.
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by YikesItsCameron on Jun 8, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Not everybody hates him. Most just realize exactly what you just said...
He is a bad fit here. I love Sergio and defend him all of the time, but I feel its safe to assume that Sergio will never reach his potential under Nate’s system. I really, really, really hope this rumor is true for Sergio’s sake. If he can’t become a legit player in D’antoni’s system, than it probably won’t ever happen. I am rooting form..
RUDY > MJ
i don't think he's a starting PG in the NBA
he’s a bad fit in Portland and could be a very good backup with another team, but I don’t think there’s more than 2-3 teams that he’d start for. I would be very interested to see how he does in NY though.
agreed
but he is a legit NBA point guard, which is contrary to the opinion many around here seem to have for him.
The guys is a legit backup capable of playing 20 minutes a game of productive ball.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
agreed
if he reaches his potential I can picture him as a top 12 PG…but in all likelihood, a solid backup would be more than likely. NY is probably the best case scenario for him, but even if he doesn’t wind up there, I’d suspect trust from any coach will do him wonders. Nate’s micromanaging is great for some of the other players on our team, but we haven’t seen him successfully develop a PG yet. Maybe he just takes some of the things he did well as a PG for granted and can’t communicate those things to teach his own young PGs.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think if Sergio played for another team for the last few years
As Blazer fans we would be begging KP to bring him over as our PG savior.
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 8, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you. I don't appreciate Sergio-bashing....
He will do well in the right team with the right situation, like so many players. I like Serg alot, but would like him to go somewhere he can get minutes and appreciation.
Reno, Nevada is west of Los Angeles.
by RenoBlazerFan on Jun 8, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
it ain't bashin'
if he’s had 3 years and still can;t shoot.
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lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Basic math here...
Leaves only a few viable options in a true 1-to-1or package trade…
Players the Blazers Could Use
Wilson Chandler
Chris Duhon
Danilo Gallinari
Jared Jeffries
Salary Guys
Mouhamed Sene
Joe Crawford
Trade Exceptions
Mardy Collins
Malik Rose
I’d Rather Shoot Myself In the Face
Eddy Curry
Larry Hughes
Sergio has more value than a second round pick in 2010, especially considering we could turn any one of our 4 second-rounders this year into at least one pick next year…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions
so something like
Sergio, #24, #32 for the Knicks #8?
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Please.
Thank goodness for the Ruffin trade exception.
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by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Ruffin?
Would we be using Ruffin’s trade exception, or NYK use either the Malik Rose/Mardy Collins exception?
wanderlust
do trade exceptions still count if we are under the cap?
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
good question
I think you’d ‘use’ your cap space first, but would still have the TE even if you were eventually over.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 8, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
nope
in order to be under the cap, you have to renounce ALL exceptions. you can’t later “get it back”
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
thats what i thought
wasn’t completely sure tho.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
the knicks would way rather keep the #8 and draft curry. no way they do that.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 8, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Au contraire...
New York saves upwards of $2 million by trading back in the draft and if you don’t think Stephen Curry is a starter, then that’s kind of a lot of money… Especially if a 2010 1st round pick was included… Plus it was just announced this morning that David Lee is available for cap space, so you never know what type of craziness could ensue.
Do we think Sergio + Tyler Hansborough/Gani Lawal/Darren Collison + Patrick Mills/Wayne Ellington is greater than the #8 pick (Stephen Curry)?
From Portland’s side, it’s a no-brainer. It would just be talent consolidation… From New York’s side, I think you package the #8 with one of your bad contracts (Curry, Jeffries) and just hope someone bites. Or you go even further (#8, David Lee, and a bad contract) and try and get a young complimentary scorer….
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry...
I forgot Stephen Curry was Michael Jordan reincarnate and not projected #8 pick in a weak draft…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh snap!
Yeah, Curry at 8 seems weird. He feels more like a border line lottery pick in a normal year. This draft is terrible, especially now that Blair supposedly has knee issues.
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by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 8, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Combination of factors...
I don’t think it so much has to do with the talent in the draft, as it does other mitigating factors.
All things being equal, this draft isn’t the worst in the last 20 years, but when you add in the fact that…
1.) It’s a bad economy so numerous owners are trying to dump salary
2.) The 2010 Free Agent pool will (reportedly) be one of the best ever
3.) This draft class is only deep and/or talented in a few select positions
It seems all that more likely that lottery picks will be available for a combination of additional, cheaper picks and expiring contracts.
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to say.
When all is said and done this draft might not look so bad. I think it’s definitely one of the more unpredictable drafts in the last 20 years.
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by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
And KP has done well in "weak draft classes"
Roy, Lma, and Sergio in what was supposed to be a weak draft class.
He's not MJ, but no way they trade down just to save money
Trading down just for the sake of trading down would not be… maximizing your assets.
Trading the 8 pick for the 24th and Sergio doesn’t really save you money either.
Sergio’s ’09 contract ($1.9m) + Draft pick 24 (1.1m) = $ 3m
NY’s 8 draft pick = $2.4m
3 – 2.4 = NY losses money in the deal… so that doesn’t make sense
But, if they thought Sergio was better than Curry they would that
They would certainly do it if we take Jeffries back whose contract is one year too long
He is even semi-useful to us since he can defend 3 positions (2 effectively). But his contract eats up all our cap space.
That's what I was thinking...
Jeffries + #8 or Curry + #8 for the largest amount of cap space or expiring contract that gets offered…
Jeffries seems to be Outlaw’s evil twin in that he can’t shoot but plays decent defense.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Some draft sites have Curry going higher than 8th
Maybe the trade changes if Curry is gone by the 8th pick. Like have two trades ready, one where Curry is available at the 8th pick that doesn’t involve the pick, and one that involves the 8th pick if Curry is already gone.
Joel Freeland=Stud
$9,723,983 for a practice dummy?
Greg Oden: Your mission is to stop Eddy Curry from eating donuts…
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
chris wilcox?
That's right, that's a picture of me with my new bff Joel Przybilla. He said my Billy Idol Karaoke was spot on.
There were rumors the Knicks were looking into Carlos Cabezas (FA from Spain). If they can get Sergio instead, that makes sense for them
Oh, and I had a posts on Sergio and picks and cash to the Knicks for the #8 if they don't move up in the lottery long ago :)
E.g. here http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/3/863494/i-dont-know-what-my-future-is#15224071
I hope it becomes true.
I think Ben LOLed you just above. He's so mean
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From a Knicks fan, is it a deal to get cap space for Andre Miller?
Re: Sergio to the Knicks.
by method on Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:21 am
the deal will be our trade exemption from the balkman trade for sergio and a couple of your second round picks, considering you guys need to be far enough under the cap to attract an andre miller.
Also, if a deal is in place for the Knicks pick it could be that they still have to wait to do the deal until after the Knicks have picked, since they won’t have a first rounder next year (Utah) although it would be enough if they get our #24 back.
Or replace Miller with any other big price free agent (Hedo, Kidd, etc.)
Sergio is $1.5 million in salary beginning on July 1st (or 8th) when the season turns over. When KP picked up the last year of his deal, he didn’t know that Darius would come back on our cap.
the 1.5 million certainly comes in handy
add that to the ~5.8 we are projected to have, and it puts us in the 7.3 range. That’s a hefty jump from an amounth that is not much more than the MLE. It makes an offer to Sessions more possible, not to mention Kidd or Miller or anyone else.
How did you guys win that?
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Everything is becoming clearer
wasn’t 7 mil cap-space about the figure that KP and Penn were quoting during radio interviews?
that sounds about right if they have a Sergio deal in their collective pocket
Rookie Scale:
#8: 2 Million
#24: 1 Million
#32: 0
The Knicks save a million, get a very solid backup PG who will fit well in their system, and all of those contracts will conveniently expire for 2010.
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Keep stocking up 2nd round picks...
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
every year KP just needs to trade his current 2nd rounders for the next year's second rounders
and somehow add one or two second rounders to the mix each year. pretty soon, he’ll own the entire second round in like 2019.
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Thats what I was thinking
hahahah
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Sergio for 874k trade exception
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mlrtqv
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
I still think Sergio Rodriguez will be dealt to the Knicks for a couple of 2010 second-round draft picks.
“FROM PORTLAND & TO NEW YORK
Sergio Rodriguez ($874,000)
FROM NEW YORK & TO PORTLAD
2010 Second-Round Draft Pick
2010 Second-Round Draft Pick (Via The Los Angeles Clippers Through The Denver Nuggets)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lsz6du
Regarding Sergio Rodriguez, my opinion is that his trade value is almost next to nil. Whether that’s fair or not isn’t the question, though—no matter if you’re pro-Sergio, anti-Sergio, or apathetic toward Sergio like myself.
What I do wonder, however, is how y’all would react to Rodriguez being dealt elsewhere for such an underwhelming, yet realistic package like the one presented up above here
Although I’d personally like to see Kevin Pritchard hold onto Rodriguez until at least after the July moratorium — since “Spanish Chocolate” could hypothetically be a throw-in to complete a summer blockbuster — my gut feeling is that he may be traded on or before 6/30/2009 for financial reasons heading into the NBA’s next fiscal year."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/31/894097/trade-drawer-5-31-kiss-keep-it
Eh, I wouldn't be mad, as it might free him up
I’m with you, though. I don’t see what’s out there to get with Sergio as our primary piece in a trade. As a throw in, sure. That’s why the deal with NY smells like something to move up in the draft. Would KP be willing to part with Sergio simply for picks? His value may not be high, but would KP sell low here, or maximize his value by adding him as sweetener?
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I'd love to send Sergio and Travis for
a signed-and-traded David Lee as our backup 4.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
That would be crazy...........
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Or to Milwaukee for a signed-and-traded Villaneuva
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
but...
i like him as a backup. Are you saying I can’t have my cake?
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MInutes crunch at the 4
Lee isn’t coming here to play behind LMA 10-15 mpg. Love his game, but he needs more PT than that
(And no, David is not a candidate for backup center or SF, either)
You have a penchant for those hard-working PFs
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If I'm Donnie Walsh, then I'd only sign-'n'-trade David Lee to a team that takes Eddy Curry's contract.
“The Heat need a low-post scorer, though, with restricted free-agent David Lee making a lot of sense down in South Beach. It, however, would take a gigantic sign-and-trade deal to make Lee joining the Heat a reality, but a frontline tandem of him and Jermaine O’Neal would be a nice setup. Lee would play center on offense and power forward on defense, while O’Neal would play power forward on offense and center on defense.
Anyhow, here’s my idea of getting Lee in Miami.
1. On 7/8/2009, the New York Knicks re-sign Lee to a six-year, $60,000,000 contract, with non-escalating salaries of $10,000,000 annually and an early termination option he can exercise after the fourth season.
2. The Knicks and Heat subsequently complete the following trade.
FROM MIAMI & TO NEW YORK
C Mark Blount ($7,967,375)
PF Udonis Haslem ($7,100,000)
SF Dorell Wright ($2,887,165)
SG Yakhouba Diawara ($945,000)
Outgoing: $18,899,540 X 125% + $100,000 = 23,724,425
Incoming: $22,075,486
FROM NEW YORK & TO MIAMI
C Eddy Curry ($10,500,423) {15% Trade Kicker}
PF David Lee ($10,000,000) {Base-Year Compensation Player}
Outgoing: $15,500,423 X 125% + $100,000 = $19,475,528
Incoming: $18,899,540
3. The Knicks receive four players who’ve got expiring contracts, which helps the team in its objective of clearing as much salary cap space as is possible for the summer of 2010. In this proposed deal, the Knicks cut $11,276,863 in salary obligations for the 2010-2011 season. Yet, for the upcoming season, Udonis Haslem is the only one who’s got any on-court value; thus, Donnie Walsh would release Mark Blount, Dorell Wright, and Yakhouba Diawara."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/12/872782/the-season-in-review-channing-frye#15609203
If Walsh wants to have enough future salary cap space flexibility to sign two maximum-level free-agents in 2010, then packaging Curry with Lee is of the utmost importance this off-season. Walsh will also need to move Jared Jeffries for someone who’s got an expiring contract, with Wilson Chandler probably being the sweetner in such a deal. Oh, and on a final note, the Knicks should just let Nate Robinson walk—even if it gets nothing in return for him.
what if we trade for Lee
and then trade LMA as a peice for Deron or Paul
(and you thought no one would bring Paul and Deron up in a Sergio post)
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by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 8, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
why on earth would we do that?
LMA > Lee by a lot.
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 8, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
because
Paul and Deron are pretty decent point guards?
I wouldn’t do that because I’m still of the mindset that good bigman > good point guard. My thinking seems out of fashion these days, but I’m sticking to it. Two good bigmen = ring and complete domination with a point.
However, there are those that believe point guards are greater than big men or possibly the combination of an exceptional point guard with an exceptional big men is greater than two exceptional big men.
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But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
in most cases i think you are right
but the rules these days give a tremendous advantage to quick pgs. they are at a premium now, and a quick mediocre pg can have a tremendous effect on the game.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
we ain't getting either of them
for LMA.
I figured that was obvious.
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 8, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
not by as much as you think
The gap between Deron and our current PGs (I won’t even mention Paul because he’s in another stratosphere) is much, much larger than the gap between LMA and Lee.
yes, but
CP3/DWill > Blake, by a lot
so, CP3+Lee > Blake+LMA
(But we’re not really going to blow up the roster this offseason, right?)
yeah
like I said, I didn’t think we were taking the LMA for DWill/CP3 thing seriously.
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 8, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty you can just do this
CP3 > Blake + LMA
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
oh man
i remember when there was a sliver of hope for CP3 (it seemed) and not many here wanted to give up LMA for CP3.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I took a good deal of heat last summer for suggesting I'd have swapped LMA for Rose.
In that case, there was at least some rational for wanting to keep LMA. With CP3, there is none whatsoever.
Those must be the same folks who said Jerryd Bayless would be better than Derrick Rose.
People with their rose-colored glasses and blinded homerism will never cease to amaze me.
But I bet Bayless didn't cheat on his SATs
Rose can’t be that good.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 8, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea I don't know what they were smoking on that one.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
#8 pick
Brandon Jennings. Book it.
At least in my fantasy land.
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I am not big on trying to play the draft machine...
But what about Sergio going to the Knicks with a Second round pick or 2 for the #8 spot. Then take that #8 and trade it along with Outlaw for Memphis’ #2. Maybe use our #24 pick in there as well with either team to make it work?
Like I said I dont play the draft machine thing much so I am not sure the trade values on draft picks in regards to salaries. But hey, giving up Travis, Sergio, and a few picks to pretty much guarantee Rubio? Especially with a “weak” draft as they are saying, why not? :)
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Memphis wouldn't do it
They’ve got a legitimately valuable pick. Getting into 7-15 in a weak draft is easier than getting to a pick that would have been of value in any draft. We would have to give up something they really wanted.
Sergio for Nate
Is the only deal that makes sense for both teams. Sergio gets a chance to thrive with the uptempo D’Antoni and since KP wants to have an up tempo 2nd unit, Nate fits right in.
Nate is the perfect change of pace to Blake and gives the Blazers a bit more sizzle off the bench.
Nate has been debated...
He’s not the ‘floor general’ the second unit needs (in that he doesn’t pass very well or often) and he duplicates a lot of what Rudy brings off the bench, unless you play under the assumption that Nate-Rob will dominate the ball while Rudy gets his points through assisted jumpers and transition baskets…
As a UW fan, I can say with some certainty that I never felt Roy and Robinson were that great on the floor together. I mean, they were very successful, but it seemed like Roy exerted a lot of energy covering for Robinson and also looked a little lost playing off-the-ball most of the time… It speaks volumes, to me, that Roy hasn’t stepped up and endorsed Nate-Rob, since we have cap space and he’d fill a position of weakness on our roster (tough, quick third/fourth scorer)…
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
He brings a lot more then Sergio does
To say the least, we didn’t have a good off the bench scorer at the 1.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Without a doubt...
Better than Sergio, but he’s also going to be much more expensive than Sergio…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
How is he Much better than sergio?
When they are totally different players?
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by YikesItsCameron on Jun 8, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate
Too Short (not efficient on offense or defense) weakness exposed more in the Playoffs not what we need.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jun 8, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
They are different sure...
Per 36 minutes…
1.) Nate-Rob offers almost twice as much scoring (20.7pts vs. 10.5 pts)
2.) Nate-Rob fouls less (3.4 fouls to 3.9 for Surge)
3.) Nate-Rob commits fewer turnovers (2.3 vs. 3.5 for Surge) although Sergio’s assist-to-turnover ratio is better (2.13 for Nate vs. 2.4)
4.) Steals and blocks per 36 minutes is basically a wash
5.) Nate-Rob rebounds better than Sergio (4.7 boards vs. 3.8)
6.) Nate-Rob shoots a higher free-throw percentage (84.1% vs. 79.2%)
7.) Nate-Rob shoots almost exactly the same percentage from 3 despite attempting twice as many per game
8.) Nate-Rob has a better shooting percentage from the field (43.7% to 39.2%)
9.) Nate-Rob is much thicker/stronger than Sergio (180lbs against Sergio’s 165)
Conversely, Sergio is much better at distributing (8.4 assists to Rob’s 4.9)…
They are different, but they’re still playing the same game…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
our dynamic would change, but it could still work with Nate
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I always loved Roy and Conroy playing next to each other
Mostly because in Spanish they’d be ‘Roy’ and ‘With Roy.’
I think they should have gotten Tshirts to that effect.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 8, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a myth...
You can say “He’s short” but at 180lbs, he’s not tiny.
In “big man” categories, Nate actually scores pretty well… He grabs more rebounds than most guards in the league and he’s blocked Yao Ming before, which would’ve helped us in this year’s playoffs.
McMillan values consistency and hard work over everything at the point position. I don’t consider Luke Ridnour a tall or strong PG and Steve Blake is not very tall or strong either. Instead, they were consistent options that knew and ran the offense…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You can call Blake weak but not short
6’3" is a good height for a point
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by Garden of ODEN on Jun 8, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
kind of ironic after your post huh.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jun 8, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Listed versus measured...
I wonder how tall Blake “really” is… I’ve stood next to Sergio and there’s no way he’s taller than 6’1 (my height).
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The next time I see KP bring in a < 6' PG to work with NateM
I’ll agree with you
I realize NateR is a fireplug with sick hops. He’s still not tall enough to defend PGs and would give the opposing coach a size mismatch that McMillian won’t want to have to deal with
Sergio, Ridnour and Blake are skinny, but they are 6’3 and above
Bayless is less than 6’3 but he’s built like NateR and 2-3 inches taller
Would NateM take a detour from his PG “tendencies” if he could get a guy like Parker or CP3? Yes, I think he would
but NateR isn’t in “that” category
Sadly
Bayless is not as good perimeter defender as Robinson
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I love how all of a sudden height has some factor in defense
it’s wingspan that’s the key. The top of your head and its relation to the ground has zero to do with defense. I’ve never seen a player make a play with the top of his head before.
Okay, this has NOTHING to do with the Sergio rumor above, which is probably not true since the real trade info doesn't leak...
But I saw this morning when I was assembling links for The View on SS&R that the Knicks are also rumored to be making a play for Marcin Gortat, the backup Center at Orlando, with the GM basically saying in response that he wants Gortat back to play his 8-10 minutes a night, but if some team saw him as a starter, they were basically going to be in a position to sign him as a RFA.
It was a New York Daily News rumor/report, so take that with a BIG grain of salt.
Still, it might indicate that the Knicks are thinking past David Lee — who is gonna command big bucks as a free agent this year.
So, theoretically (although most unlikely), the Sergio situation and the Lee situation could be intertwined.
If David Lee could be brought to PDX, that would take this franchise to another level, no doubt about it.
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Later rumored...
That New York was planning on offering Gortat the full MLE…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Lee only makes sense if the Blazers move Joel. Just taking 10 minutes behind LaMarcus makes no sense to him or the team.
Or Lee as a trade chip of course, but a team that would trade their star for Lee to us should be able to do that directly.
I'm not entirely sure you are right here... If you assume no injuries among the bigs, you have a point...
If you could actually manage these four bigs:
Oden / Pryz / LMA / Lee (mix n match)
instead of
Oden / Pryz / LMA / Frye faking it as a big / Travis faking it as a 4
THAT would be something.
Does that not “make sense to the Blazers” with Pryz intact???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It takes 3 bigs to play a NBA game -- and they are injury prone. And, ummmm, ahem...
…Greg Oden… foul prone…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It's a great lineup, don't get me wrong. But Lee is too "rich" to be just a backup and used more in case of injury
You can get that cheaper with a combo like a more pure PF a la McDyess/Bass/Wilcox and Freeland.
Honest question...
Is Lee the type of player that is AWESOME at $2 mil per season but kills a team at $10 mil?
Strike 1: He was playing under Mike D’Antoni last year
Strike 2: He has never played on a team that finished above .500.
Strike 3: Zach Randolph….
Honestly, I can’t answer this question because I haven’t seen the Knicks enough, but I just think Lee is over-valued right now because he had great stats on a team that sucked… How many extra boards did he grab because he wasn’t playing with anyone else over 200 pounds?
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So let's say the numbe is in between 2 and 10...
What about $7M?
There aren’t a lot of teams able to offer Lee more than $5M,
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
True...
But didn’t he ask for $10 mil?
Even still, $7 mil is basically all our cap space without addressing the PG situation.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I think KP has signaled that he is OK with the PG situation...
But that’s just my take.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
you need 3 PGs
and the 3rd PG should be a veteran who’s been through the playoff wars
You either get a guy who’s better than Blake, or a vet who can come in and be the glue guy for awhile if Steve goes down
Similar to the role that Herm Gilliam played for the ’77 Blazers
OKC? Memphis?
Depending on who they pick in the draft, they could be in a lot of need for a very good PF who can spell a C if needed. Detroit too if Boozer doesn’t opt out.
What're your thoughts Norsk?
Is Lee the type of player everyone loves on his rookie contract (I’m thinking Zach Randolph back in the day, Glen Davis now, Paul Millsap, etc) then once they sign their mega-deal all their weaknesses get exposed?
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he is worth quite a bit more than the MLE, but then you have to start him/use him extensively
He is also 26, still young but not amazingly young anymore.
He is unselfish and plays hard for his points and rebounds. Does a lot of little things well, like offensive rebounding, setting and using picks, moving well without the ball. But would be absolutely wrong as a spot-up shooter, so the Blazers would have to use him differently than say Frye. Would be great on defense against high-post players that give Oden and Joel some trouble, like Scola/Okur/etc. Tends to collect a few fouls to much trying to contest shots.
I’m not fearing he is the next Z-Bo/Jermaine/etc. on his next deal, unless someone pays him 11 million or something. I would be much more reluctant to pay a lot for Big Baby Davis, I fear he will get overpaid a lot this summer.
So...
In your assessment, he’d be worth a Joel Pryzbilla sized deal without the home town discount?
Something to the tune of $7.5 mil and a promise that Outlaw is out the door or a permanent small forward so that he could get his 25 minutes a night…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Which only happens if...
Lee gets 13 minutes at the PF and probably 12 at the C.
Oden/Zilla split 36 minutes for 18 apiece… Which is barely enough to break a sweat…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Again: the assumption is no quick foul trouble and no injuries — which is NOT the case, methinks.
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Seems like a lot to pay for Insurance...
At that point, it’d be like the SF position this year, where we’re almost hoping for an injury so playing time doesn’t become an issue…
Don’t get me wrong here, I’d love having a borderline Eastern Conference All-Star as an insurance policy, but Lee would have to sacrifice “star power” for championships and not many people outside of San Antonio have been willing to do that.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
KP targeted Lee well before D'antoni came to NYK
KP and Penn tried to nab him instead of Frye during the Z Bo trade. Man that would have been a Pritchslap like no other.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee is also not the veteran with playoff experience
that the young Blazer roster needs
David would only bring PT issues, while not providing the postseason savvy
Reggie Evans
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If Nate wants him back again, I'd be fine with Reggie
Lots of rebounds, knows his role. I’m not sure if Evans brings enough offense to play alongside Joel, though. (The veteran backup PF should be able to hit an open baseline 10 footer, at least) RE hasn’t had a ton of playoff experience, either
agreed any trade for lee is gonna be turned around and traded somehwere else where
he can start and we get back lotttery pick or decent starting asset
by HurricaneDayne on Jun 8, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really believe that KP wants Lee on this team....
The only way Lee becomes a blazer is if LMA can be traded to net an amazing young pg. I don’t really see that happening, but if it could net Paul/Deron, its a no brainer. I might even do it to get Harris, not totally sure on that though….
RUDY > MJ
Didn't...
Nate tell Batum they were going to run a small second unit next year? Maybe Lee would fit in with that better than Joel. Something like:
Bayless
Rudy
Webster
Batum
Lee
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by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Batum as a 4??? Hmmmmmmm.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I'm sold...
So long as we don’t run into the Rockets again…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Travis played 4 last year and Nic is a much better rebounder… he’s too skinny to match up with the Reggie Evans of the world, though.
proud hinrichsheeple
Reggie Evans scored a bunch of points in the last Philly-Portland game with offensive rebounds and putbacks. He doesn’t have moves, but he’d dominate Nic on the boards.
proud hinrichsheeple
Doesn't need to be guarded
But Nic would have no chance against him rebound wise. Neither would Lee for that matter.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate tell Batum they were going to run a small second unit next year?
Maybe a “small” lineup at the 1-4 but not at the expense of dealing Przy
Why would KP deal away Portland’s rebounding advantage when his #1 offseason goal is to add toughness and physicality?
A small 2nd unit (with Batum at the 4) is the “opposite” of this goal
Frontcourt rotation = too small
Lee will not be brought in so he or LMA can be the primary backup C for Portland.
Pryz is going nowhere. Oden is not ready to play 35+mpg
Regarding Marcin Gortat, I still think that the Atlanta Hawks should offer him the mid-level exception.
A duo of Gortat and Zaza Pachulia — who’ll most likely be re-signed by the Hawks using his Bird rights — at center would allow Al Horford and Josh Smith to move back to their natural positions of power forward and small forward. Then, the Hawks could re-sign one of its restricted free-agents (i.e., Marvin Williams and Josh Childress) to be its sixth man at the backup forward slot. The Hawks, however, could potentially re-sign both Williams and Childress, although that’d lead to a minutes crunch at forward.
They'll get what they deserve if they move Josh Smith to the 3
His shot selection might be the worst in the NBA. No way they let this guy take a bunch of jumpers. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
agreed
Josh Smith should not shoot jumpers.
Smith at the three would make ATL pretty easy to defend, just pack the paint/ play zone and let Johnson and Bibby shoot over the top.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
If Josh Smith could just work on his baseline jump shot from 15 to 18 feet away from the ...
basket on the weakside, then he could couple that with his slashing abilities to develop into a dynamic weapon on offense at small forward. Of course, that’s predicated on him improving his jumper — as well as working on his handles somewhat, which would make him better at his dribble-drive game along the baseline — thus, those are fair concerns that y’all have about such a transition.
I think the biggest bonus would be moving Al Horford to power forward, though, since he’s just neither tall nor big enough to satisfactorily defend opposing centers effectively at the NBA level. Heck, Horford was at his best when in college he played next to a true pivotman, Joakim Noah, who could man the middle on defense.
Isn't it just a case
of two guys that can only really play power forward?
It seems to me moving one of those players for a competent point guard might just be the thing to do.
Maybe one of the two could go to Memphis for Conley Jr if they end up taking Rubio.
Al Horford for Mike Conley, Jr. would work financially, but I doubt the Memphis ...
Grizzlies will draft Ricky Rubio and I expect the Atlanta Hawks to re-sign Mike Bibby.
I was more thinking of should do
not will do. It’d be better if Atlanta got the younger Conley and then used that money (Bibby) on a free agent center, or possibly traded for one of the many available centers (Kaman, Chanlder, Okur… etc).
Sergio's trade value
Not worth the #8 lottery pick and worth more than a 2nd round pick. He’s a solid backup and commanded the 2nd unit admirably. His value is exactly where he was drafted, a late 1st rounder.
If Sergio is traded merely to remove him from the roster, I will be saddened. I hope the Blazers don’t just give him to another team.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 8, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i agree...but i will apply that mentality to any player on our team
all of our players were great, and we don’t have any cancers on our team that need to be addressed immediately the way we have had in the past. trades are fine, but no one is on my trading block.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Can someone confirm?
It’s my understanding that we could NOT combine the 3m TE and the Knicks TE from the Zach Randolph trade (Equiv of Sergio’s 08-09 salary) to get another player on draft night, correct?
i'm not positive
but there was a salary cap guru here that said they are not combineable last year.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Tom Penn has said that a TE can’t be combined with anything else. Generally the teams work two “separate” trades that act together. Trade the TE for a player, then a second round pick for a first round pick as two separate deals, essentially.
proud hinrichsheeple
You don't really trade the exception, you absorb salary (of one and only one player at a time)
We wouldn’t get the exception from NY, they just absorb Sergio’s salary with it.
Exp 6/30/09
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It's both
Portland won’t be under the cap until July 1. The TE as I understand it would allow us to give Sergio to NYC and then use the TE to take on a player and/or pick from another team without giving up a player. If it’s a pick, 875k at scale works out to a pretty low pick.
picks have a value of $0 on draft night
you are correct that we can use the TE on draft day (and so can the Knicks if they have them). But neither side needs TEs to take on picks – picks are worth $0
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I'm not sure what you're asking
Each of the two teams has trade exceptions that they can use. If you’re asking if “we” can take the $2.9 million trade exception from the Diogu trade and add it to a $1.0 million trade exception that the Knicks have so that the Blazers can get a $4.0 million player, then the answer is no.
Can both teams use trade exceptions in the same deal? Absolutely.
For example, if Portland wanted to trade Sergio to NY for D. Gallinari, both sides could use current trade exceptions to obtain the player they wanted and new trade exceptions would be generated.
The only thing the Knicks have of any value to us
is the #8 pick. If Sergio and our picks aren’t enough to get that than I don’t see a deal working out.
unless
we value 1.5 million in capspace more than Sergio. if they can take his salary (875k until July 1) by sending back non-guaranteed contracts (or using a TE), then we gain more space next season. plus, we could throw in the $24 pick (let’s say we are getting back a future first or something), then we are talking about clearing an extra $2.5 million of our cap next year.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
good way to think outside the box
knowing KP i’m sure he is thinking a few moves ahead and considering what players he can land with the savings.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
FYI
http://twitter.com/alanhahn/status/2080576542
“sergio rumor is bogus” … 3/4 of his post is crossed out…
sergio really needs new people to surround him
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 8, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't Newsday already send Sergio to the Knicks for Nate Rob last deadline?
They are like Sam Smith and Hoopsworld combined.
by Norsktroll on Jun 8, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
o that European media
SB nation/Bedge loves the bump in traffic
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 8, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
Money line from the original Euro piece (in Spanish) smacks of horsepuckyosity...
The player’s agent, Jose Ortiz, who had already had contacts with the Knicks and several teams in February, reached a settlement with the New York franchise for the next three seasons.
We don’t even have a trade and he’s reached a 3 year deal?
Ha!!!!!
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Batum's already had his jersey retired in San Antonio...
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 8, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's one possible sequence:
1. Spanish journalists read Bedge and see we think Sergio matches up with D’Antoni.
2. Sergio’s loose cannon agent concocts preposterous story about the 3 year deal over many pitchers of sangría with journalists on a hot day.
3. Journalists drunkenly repeat story to their readers…
4. Spanish-speaking NYC resident reads drunken ramblings of drunken journalists quoting drunken agent and tells NYC journalist…
5. NYC journalist says, “Wow, sounds good to me” and writes it up, quoting the “authoritative” Spanish original article. And then he heads out for G&Ts for lunch…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I hope he gets dealt to a team that plays him
I don’t think he would play much for the Knicks. Duhon will be The Blake who takes all the minutes, and if Nate Robinson is on the team he will take a bunch as well.
This isn’t counting whoever they draft this year, if anyone.
Sergio would be looking at 15 minutes a game because he is not better than Duhon, and D’Antoni likes people at every position who can shoot.
Golden State would be a better place for Sergio to go, as long as Nelly is in charge… but, same problem. There are people they are trying to shoe horn into a PG role who they will commit to above Sergio, even if he is the only true PG on the team.
I root for Sergio, as always don’t think he is worth the trouble, and maybe it would be eye opening to move to a “perfect situation” and still get the same minutes because of his actual game and not everyone else working against him.
His management team is curious, and if he wasn’t an Exotique these things wouldn’t get so much play.
Go get ’em Sergio! But be sure to try to get better, because a lot of the problems ARE you, not the situation.
Mortimer
A player is worth what another team is wiling to give for him
In Sergios case he is worth less than he was 3 years ago no matter if La Marca and his agent think he is the second coming of Jerry West
There are still rumors out there this deal could happen
Sounds like they could have an agreement in principle that Sergio gets traded to the Knicks, but it depends on what players would be available to the Knicks at #8 if it happens and what else is in the deal (cash amount, second rounders).
I just hope Portland doesn't give Sergio away. We need to get something out of it for the potential Sergio still has.
I would rather just keep Sergio if we can’t get someone or something good out of the deal. Unless Sergio demands a trade to KP, I think anything short of moving up in the draft or David Lee, is giving Sergio away to NY.
He could be collateral damage of Darius Miles coming back on the cap
If acquiring a major free agent or doing a lopsided trade is what the Blazers have in mind. Last summer Philly had to gift some players for nothing to make room for Elton Brand. At the time KP picked up Sergio’s last contract year, he could still assume to have about $15 million in cap space, enough for pretty much any free agent. Now Sergio’s $1.58 million on top of about $6.5 million in cap space next season could make the difference between a competitive offer for a Hinrich/Miller/Sessions/Kidd/Hedo/… or losing out. I still don’t think KP will outright pay another team to take Sergio off his hands and that he has some value for a few teams, but it could become necessary. Lets face it, no team will want to miss out on their originally targeted free agent or go into luxury tax for Sergio. I would assume the Blazers at least have to send next year’s salary in cash along with him.
Good point
The initial Sergio deal might appear like a “giveaway” but it could be just the first step that leads to making a bigger deal possible

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