Blazers PG's - Realistic Options & Expectations
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
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The question we have all been wondering since the core of Roy, Aldridge, Oden(Now Batum) has been assembled. What is the final piece of our pentagon of starters? The Point Guard. So many types of players fit into this one position. You have the pure PG(Chris Paul), the combo guard(Devin Harris) & the defender(Kirk Hinrich). McMillan prefers taller/stronger PG's(Preferably 6'5"), with a sharp mind & great defense. He essentially wants someone with the same body type he had as a player & commitment on the defensive end, but perhaps with the scoring ability of his all-star peer, Gary "The Glove" Payton.
Currently in the NBA, the 6'5" PG is a very rare breed. Only Rodney Stuckey of the Detroit Pistons really fits that mold. But it is almost certain that if Detroit is to start rebuilding, it will be around Stuckey & his very promising first two years in the NBA. He is about as "untouchable" as you can get on Detroits roster.
The upcoming NBA draft has only one prospect talented enough to perhaps be superior in the mind of KP/McMillan over the vaunted Jerryd Bayless. That would be Tyreke Evans, from Memphis. The succesor of Derrick Rose & the two have very similar stories/backgrounds. Both mentored by their brothers, pushing them in the right direction. In an effort to keep them off the streets & in the gym. Evans as a PG in the NBA, as described by SacTown Royalty:
If Evans can play the point in the NBA -- his record at the helm of Memphis would indicate an affirmative answer there -- he will be the longest, biggest point guard in the league. Bigger than Billups, Williams. Longer than Rondo. (I think. Rondo didn't submit to measurements.) If he has or can develop the skills, he'll be able to post up any single point guard in the league. If he has the heart to devote himself to team defense, he should be one of the guards most physically ready to challenge every jumper. If he can jump and sprint, he could be deadly in transition. At both ends.
Again, he needs to develop the right skills, the right coach, the right team fit, the right attitude. But that's one helluva canvas to bring to the parlour.
He is only 19 years old, limitless potential & he is Nate's ideal PG(Size wise). I think having McMillan as someone who was a great defender in the NBA could really rub off on Tyreke.(Same theory as Bayless, but more physical advantages for Evans) Blake would help a lot too, in terms of "running the offense" & avoiding mistakes. He brings almost the same arsenal as Bayless does, but Evans has a much better chance at defending the 2 & scoring from the 2, when Roy takes over at the point. I believe someone said he models his game after Brandon Roy, it would be very beneficial for him(Evans) to have him(Roy) in practice; For obvious reasons. What would it take? We would most likely be having to move up around the 5th draft slot. That of course, is only one option.
This entire post obviously is hinging on what the front office thinks of Bayless's role in the future. From there it would be easier to see what moves we should & should not make at the 1.At this point, do you think we can get away with "bridging the gap" between Blake->Bayless. Can we get away with letting good PG's go off for 30 & still get wins? How about the playoffs? It depends how KP/MC think Bayless will develop
1. Bayless is not going to be able to defend good-great NBA PG's for 3+ years. If this is the case, then I would say Kirk Hinrich is the most likely player to acquire at the 1. He plays very good, diciplined team defense & can disturb big scorers at the 1. Bayless could learn a lot from him. Jerryd can come off the bench around 20mpg. Let him use his natural talents as a pure scorer, not forcing him into something he is not. The Hinrich|Bayless Option.
2. Bayless is going to be able to defend good-great NBA PG's in less then 3 years. The next option. Jason Kidd. Still one of the best PG's in the NBA at rebounding & passing. Better defender then Blake & could have a very positive impact on Bayless's all around game. Same situation as the previous one for Bayless in terms of scoring off the bench, but this option would allow Bayless to be starting sooner then if we did trade for Hinrich. McMillan also was raving about Kidd's defense about a year back. Kidd would bring a lot of veteran leadership. The Kidd|Bayless option.
3. McMillan is going to be super stubborn, stay with Steve "Passaphire" Blake, until he gets his ideal PG. This case, we would move up & grab Tyreke Evans(As mentioned above). Who allows McMillan to keep Blake starting, until his PG is ready to take the reigns. The Evans|Blake option.
4. McMillan is going to get over his obsession with a tall PG & realize you don't have to be tall, to survive as an NBA PG(He has seen first hand, Chris Paul/Tony Parker, both smaller guys have a lot of success at the NBA level). But thinks Bayless may be better as part of a platoon at the 1. Yes, you knew it was coming, come on, don't act like you did not expect it from a thread with the term "PG" in the title. Mike Conley Jr. He fits well with Roy, low usage rate(experience playing next to dominant ball handlers like OJ Mayo/Rudy Gay), Hits 3's at an incredible rate for the minutes he played & his age. Also his experience playing with Oden is a big positive. Knows where he likes the ball on the pick & roll, knows where he likes it on the post + lobs. Defensively, he has the same ability to play good defense within our system like Paul/Parker, great feet & very quick hands. In this category, him & Oden's playing experience help a lot too, talking on defense, Conley knowing that a big man has his back if someone does get past him(Just like any good perimeter defender, there is a good post defender to make up for the mistakes) unlike Memphis. One last point I want to make, is Greg's long-term happiness in Portland. We heard in the indy corn rows interview that he isn't exactly an "outdoors" guy. What better way to keep him happy, then have his best friend playing by his side like its Lawrence North HS? "A happy Oden, is an Oden who wants to improve" ;) The Coney|Bayless option - Closest comparison I can come up with talent wise is Isiah Thomas|Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson, from the Bad Boys.
5. Blockbuster Trade. KP some how manages to use his silver tongue to pry away a PG who is already playing at a superstar level. Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo or Deron Williams. Obviously the toughest of the bunch to do. This route likely send Bayless & possibly Blake out of town. I will not add this option on the Poll, for fear of ruining it by everyone picking #5, so instead, if you prefer this option... Please go in depth into how you would get it done.
6. Other - Please explain in your post.
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I stay with the roster which won the last 10 of its last 11 games in the regular season:
Phoenix Bright Side Of The Sun Thursday, March 26 2009 win 129 – 109
Memphis Saturday, March 28 2009 win 86 – 66
Utah SLC Dunk Tuesday, March 31 2009 win 125 – 104
@ Oklahoma City Welcome to Loud City Friday, April 03 2009 win 107 – 72
@ Houston The Dream Shake Sunday, April 05 2009 loss 88 – 102
@ Memphis Tuesday, April 07 2009 win 96 – 93
@ San Antonio Pounding The Rock Wednesday, April 08 2009 win 95 – 83
Los Angeles Lakers Silver Screen and Roll Friday, April 10 2009 win 106 – 98
@ Los Angeles Clippers Clips Nation Saturday, April 11 2009 win 87 – 72
Oklahoma City Welcome to Loud City Monday, April 13 2009 win 113 – 83
Denver Pickaxe And Roll Wednesday, April 15 2009 win 104 – 76
To help the team understand what they need to win in play-offs I´ll add Robert Horry to the coaching staff.
by amlmart1 on Jun 7, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would love to have Horry as an assistant
Might as well try to get Scottie Pippen, I heard a rumor he wanted to coach the Bulls. What better way to put himself in HC position then winning championships here as an assistant? Then maybe we could help out Rodman, get him off the juice & back where he belongs. On the hard wood, as an assistant this time round.
Serious inquiry: Think McMillan can use the “Sarge” attitude & “reign” in Shawn Kemp as a coach? They can finish what they started(as players), as coaches. Kemp still owes us for all the millions we spent on him & gave us nothing in return.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Kemp is the last person I would think of as "coach material"
How about Gary Payton? (with Nate ahead of him, for once)
by Samsara on Jun 7, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kemp
Yes he was mixed up in all sorts of bad habits, womanizing, alcoholism, drugs etc. I think coaching would be the best thing he could do for him self. With Nate, I think he could become a good coach who could draw from experiences, to teach our young kids why you should never go down the wrong paths that he did. Kemp is more humble the Payton ever was.
"My love for the game is very, very high," Kemp said. "I’ve made a living off of this game. I’m not coming back to play basketball for any financial reasons."
"I’m not playing just to make someone’s roster. I’m not just playing to make a comeback. My hopes and dreams are to be in the Hall of Fame one day."
Going to have to do some coaching to accomplish that Kemp. How great a story would it be?
I know his son is enrolled at Alabama, Shawn Kemp Jr. I bet he is loving that.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved Shawn in the day
he could teach Greg some finesse moves
by Samsara on Jun 7, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great as kemp was
He still didn’t get the option on the poll that included Bayless starting. I’d be happy with Bayless | Blake
by lurtsman on Jun 7, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Reignman is Back !
Wow, he is looking about as good as he has since the lockout & he played against Roy, Crawford n Hawes !
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know whether to laugh or shoot you.
Could you be a bit more specfic on what qualities and attributes Kemp could bring to the team as an assistant coach.
Perhaps you envision him working with our bigs, Oden and Aldridge, teaching them how to father multiple kids out of wedlock. Or maybe educating Nic and Martell how to score good coke. I know, he’s going to teach Brandon Roy how to get fat and still collect those big paychecks.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be fine if we did that
Tells me KP believes, if he does, so do I.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans
I was happy to see one of his brothers has him shooting something like 1,500 shots per day & that is just one of his brothers who is his “shooting coach”.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some of that is p.r. don’t forget his cousin was the triggerman in a drive-by that left a kid dead with tyreke at the wheel.
his older brother played against kobe in high school.
by Ben. on Jun 7, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke Evans long wingspan gave him an advantage when driving the getaway vehicle.
by AK1984 on Jun 7, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disgusting
I know.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be happy with that
As long as KP does some good scouting in the 2nd round prospects, maybe a few minor trades like for Reggie Evans or maybe some other teams Eurostash’s?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the 3rd Point Guard....
I am not sure if I would rather have an experienced low-cost free agent (Eddie House, Travis Diener, Luther Head, Brevin Knight) or if I would want the BrainTrust to grab a low-cost rookie out of the bevy of 2nd Rounders this season.
Opportunity to grab another point guard prospect is very high in this draft, simply because there are so many point guards in the draft there are bound to be a few very solid prospects that slide and are available on the cheap. Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Patty Mills, Rodrique Beaubois, Scottie Reynolds, Eric Maynor, AJ Price, or Jeremy Pargo could be a diamond in the rough and any of them could be attainable since P-town has so many 2nd rounders to juggle with… So maybe regardless of the depth, it is in best interest of this team to pick whom out of that group they see the most NBA back-up potential from and manuever to get them…. take advantage of the numbers…. EVEN if they are going to be 4th on the depth chart. I know that might feel like overload at the #1, but but the other positions on the team are going to be sewn up pretty good and we could have an extra 2 or 3 roster spots…
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 8, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is not all that good
look at this list
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=BEFek
they are both at the bottom of the scoring, lower 3rd in assists, and lower 3rd in rebounds as well. On a good note they were some of the top 3pt shooters.
That is Jordan and Magics rookie years as well and there are other players such as Larry Hughes, Eric Money, Wes Matthews, Dejaun Wagner, on the list as well.
This is also when they are all 21 or younger and they are both at the bottom of the list.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 7, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post. Very well thought out discussion.
I think at the very least we will draft another PG, and use the MLE, trade exception or other measure to get our back-up 4 we need. I would love to get Tyreke Evans, and think with his athleticism and size in the right environment ( like here in Portland surrounded by scorers ) he could flourish into a supreme PG. The problem is he would be third on our depth chart though.
As much as everyone wants a homerun trade, I think the chances of one happening are very low. What I would like to happen ( get Conley from Memphis ) hinges on them picking Rubio, which IMHO they are crazy if they do not. I will be happy with whatever our PG rotation is next year as long as Bayless get 15-20 minutes a game,
by dario argento on Jun 7, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubio to Memphis
I think if he wins his lawsuit against badalona, then the chance of him accepting Memphis is much higher. Something else that could have a positive effect on him would be Rudy Fernandez, going to Memphis. Along with Marc Gasol being there, it would be enticing to say the least.
For Rudy, we would get Conley+… Just not sure what other assets the Blazers would be interested in. They do have Orlando’s pick at 28. Which we could package with our 24 to move up to around 17 with the Sixers, hope Terrence Williams falls(To replace Rudy). Possibly also get Reggie Evans in the trade(a true banger), who McMillan has a lot of experience with. Then the question would be, what to do with Blake?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a team has Rudy-Rubio
It has to be the Blazers. Even though it won’t be.
by Samsara on Jun 7, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No Defense"
Means “No Nate”
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no nate???
serious? i cant wait
fire nate before its too late
by pipgras on Jun 12, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio to Memphis revised...
If Portland is to get Mike Conley, I’d rather part with Sergio in this move to help give another Spaniard to Memphis to help Rubio with the transition… rather than parting with uber-popular and “former” top international prospect Rudy Fernandez.
I would propose a lopsided trade like this: Portland sends Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez, #24 and #38 to Memphis for Mike Conley and Darko Milicic… Memphis also gets about $4+M cap relief.
Memphis then looks like:
PG Ricky Rubio(#2)/ Sergio Rodriguez (T)/ Marko Jaric
SG OJ Mayo/ Sam Young (#24)
SF Rudy Gay/ Travis Outlaw (T)
PF Darrell Arthur/ Hakim Warrick/ Josh Heytveld (#38
FC Marc Gasol/ Robert Swift (FA)/ Hamed Haddai/ Chris Mihm
Portland looks like:
PG Mike Conley(T)/ Jerryd Bayless/ Steve Blake
SG Brandon Roy/ Rudy Fernandez
SF Martell Webster/ Nic Batum
PF LaMarcus Aldridge/ Jason Maxiell (trade exception)/ Victor Claver (#32)
FC Greg Oden/ Joel Pryzbilla/ Darko Milicic(T)
BOOM-shakalaka!!!!!
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 8, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um....
why would portland trade a young up and coming PG for two plalyer that would be on thier bench.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis would help Memphis win.
Sergio fits their system better than in Portland thus upping his value there as a backup and adding two picks is why Memphis would do it.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 9, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conley Comparison
Deron Williams – Age 21 VS Mike Conley – Age 21
Williams – 28.8mpg, .421 FG%, .416 3PT%, .704 FT%, 10.8ppg, 4.5apg, 2.4rpg, .8spg
Conley – 30.2mpg, 442 FG%, .406 3PT%, .817 FT%, 10.9ppg, 4.3apg, 3.4rpg, 1.10spg
All that after changing HC midway through the year. Just some food for thought, I think Conley is ready for a big improvement next year.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
TheGreatDane17
Realistically, do you think 1) we could get Conely away from Memphis and 2) what would it take?
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No because I don't think
The Blazers and Memphis could agree on what he is worth
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jun 7, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conley is worth more to Portland than he is to Memphis
especially since they have the chance to draft Rubio.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking exactly
What to do with Blake is my question? Blake/Conley/Bayless – Far too crowded.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep all 3 Bayless may or may not break out
If he doesn’t then we can rotate Blake and Conley. If he does Blake or conley will take a seat. and be traded later.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 7, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
two young points isn't gonna work
two young point gaurds will not work you have to decied on weather you want to stick with bayless or another young guy and then you need a vet… Two young guys at the same spot it will be hard for them to gain confidence and what not.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PG's of the Bad Boys
Isiah Thomas & Vinnie “Microwave” Johnson. They were both on the Pistons at a young age(Both PG’s) & grew together. Eventually won two championships. I think the championships would come sooner for our duo of Conley|Bayless, simply because the supporting cast is better(Thats right… I went there).
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hold on a sec
I admit to not being and expert on the bad boys pistons but wasn’t vinny a bench type player who was more scorer then PG? I think bayless sees him self as a starter and i am sure conley also sees himself as a starter so unless you can get one of the two of them to agree to come off the bench ( and not as the sixth man cause that is rudy and probally not as the 7th man cause thats outlaw/batum/martell ) then they are gonna be fighting for minutes wich i don’t see work out well and could lead to a divided locker room with some player likeing bayless and some prefering conley. I think it would be better to go with a Vet ( Blake or hinrich or kidd or someone eles ) a young guy ( bayless or conley or sessions or someone eles )and a journey men ( Tyronne Lue or someone eles ) for your pg rotation.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless is identical to the Microwave.
Instead of forcing him to developing PG skills, coming off the bench it allows him to do what he does naturally, score. Batum is a starter, Outlaw would be gone if Conley is in town. Martell is ???
Bayless will not be complaining, rather pushing Conley to be even better. “6th man” or 7th man Doesn’t really matter. 20mpg, off the bench, do the best you can to put points on the board & play energetic defense.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay but....
is bayless the kind of guy you see accepting the jason terry/ manu ginobli role because to me he seems like the kind of guy who is gonna want to start. I mean he put in all the time and effort in the gym I think he wants to be a star not a bench scorer… i see him maby accepting the role for next year but if he plays well he will want to play somewere eles for sure were he can start.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
Manu Ginobli puts in the time & effort in the gym? Doesn’t matter if he wants to be a star. He is not the type to force a trade & we have him under contract for a few more years. If he is winning championships he won’t say NOTHING about his role either.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but....
Manu was established before he went to the bench, he was a starter for a couple of years and trusted greg popivich… so I think thats a different situation then bayless who is coming out of college and wants to prove him self ecspecially after dropping in the draft and not having the best of rookie years.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless
Is in no position to demand playing time, he is under contract. Those are the facts. He would bring out the best in Conley, besides, he would still be moving up from 3rd to 2nd PG.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh im sorry
isn’t sergio under contract is he kinda sort of demanding playing time? And the difference is he is the PG of the futer as long as blake or another vet is the starter with conley he is perma backup. That makes a difference and since when do pro athletes need to have a cause to demand playing time… keyshawn johnson wrote a book called give me the damn ball in his rookie year of the NFL….
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio never demanded playing time
Bayless doesn’t have the attitude of Keyshawn or KP would not have drafted him.
Blake will be gone if Conley is here.
He will be happy as long as his role improves over last year, which it will regardless if its Conley or not.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows if "he is the kind of guy who seems like he would want to start"....
but I think that is the worst thing to speculate about. These guys are PRO athletes, they are used to competition and other than their 1st Round contracts… NOTHING is guaranteed. Players can all “think” they should start, but pretty much all these guys know that you gotta prove it, show it and earn it. Although it may be easy for most non-players to think that players “that” talented are all egotistical… truth is they are all competitive and understand competition, sure there are premadonna’s, but most of these guys understand the hierarchy of starters, rotation players and guys who only see spot minutes… also more than anything, these guys understand it is a business. Of course nobody is gonna want to stay somewhere they percieve is “bad” for their careers, but who would not want to grow for a few years with a team atmosphere and the quality of players that Portland has?
So NO I don’t see Bayless as a player who is going to “settle” for anything, but I do believe that Bayless will work to win a job, if he comes in 2nd, then he will work to maximize those minutes… that is what a pro athlete does.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 8, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
Well I hope your right, but I just think that bayless is gonna want to be a starter and even if he dosn’t make it an issue it can still be an issue because the team can become divide over wich PG they like. I also wasn’t saying he would want to be a starter as a knock on him, i think if your play is good enough that you can start then you should start somewere… and if he is good enough to start ahead of conley then we don’t need conley I think you really have to take one or the other.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
about the bad boys
That was more then a decade ago before the league expanded and there were mor starting jobs available, bayless is gonna want to start, I doubt he wants to come off the bench.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Are you saying Portland who is loaded with PG’s one of which Pritchard raves about and a SG who needs to have the ball Values Conley more then memphis does? based on what his freindship with Oden? if that was the case Jarret Jack would still be here because he was friends with everyone in the locker room.
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jun 7, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conley can
Conley can play off the ball when Roy is controlling the ball. He gives us the ability to upgrade at PG while Bayless develops instead of standing pat with Blake or spending to much with Kirk. When Bayless is ready is it really a problem to have two good (possibly great) PG’s on you team.
That is a sentiment that I hear all to often around here. "We shouldnt get “this guy” because we already have too many good players. Can you ever have too many good players?
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking of how he covers every single need we have from the position
unlike anyone we have on the roster. Conley is a great handles, controls the ball well, shoots the three ball at a ridiculous rate for a guy his age, has great vision, can get the man in the post the ball, and can penetrate the key with his slashing ability. All of that from a 21 year old, not even mentioning the Oden factor. Throw in that, and we would value him more than Memphis. Memphis SHOULD take Rubio, which should make Conley available. Who has the most assets in the league to give up and has the biggest need for a young starting point guard? That would be us. It’s a perfect fit in every possible way. If Memphis is smart and takes Rubio, Conley should be available, and we SHOULD be able to attain his services.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What ta do with Blake?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
try to swap Blake with a veteran PF
or just keep him as an injury reserve player at PG or SG…. he would give an absolute killer #3 either spot and is reasonable at $4.2M
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 8, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think the most likely thing to happen is Memphis will hold them both
We would have to blow there socks off in a trade the reasoning is what two good points is that a problem only if Rubio is playing large minutes right away which might not happen.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 7, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most likley is that....
they don’t even draft rubio, the whole second half of there season was built around clearing out the point gaurd spot for conley… they trade critterton and lowery so conley would be the lead dawg I doubt they draft rubio when they could draft thabeet who accroding to chad for they like better any way. Also Rubio dose not want to play there and since he can make more chase playing in europe I doubt he is gonna want to play somewhere he dosen’t want to be.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also didn't expect to land Rubio
First of all, Chad Ford knows nothing “insider” wise. The month around the draft, GM’s often put out misinformation. In an effort to disguise their true target. It happens in the NFL too. Wallace loves Rubio.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um well....
Not to try an offened you but chad ford gets paid to figure this stuff out and while he is far from 100% accurate I bet he has actually talked to pepole who work for the grizz and work around the grizz and probally to wallace himself so i would think he has a bit more of an idea then you on who wallace likes. Also if you look at the moves memphis made this year you would think they wouldn’t be that interested in rubio because they traded both critterton and lowery away ( both young PG’s who have good futures ) so that conley could be the starter with out having to look over hyis shoulder, so now they scrap that plan to draft rubio? Also rubio supposedly dose not want to play in memphis which has had a shaky relationship with its spanish player ( Juan Carlos navarow i think was one player who opted to go back to spain rather then play with them.) So them drafting thabeet as a project make more sense.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
Has said multiple times, if Rubio is there, he will take him. Doesn’t matter if they cleared space for Conley either.
The only reason he doesn’t want to play there is because of marketing opportunities. If we wins his suit, no problems playing in a small market.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
were did he say that paper or something do you have a link ? and didn’t you yourself say that gm’s send out smokescreens so wouldn’t you say that maby its possible that thats what he is doing there ?
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference
Take a look from perspective through Wallace’s lense, in terms of how each pick affects your team.
Thabeet – Comes off the bench as a defensive stopper, no offensive game. Doesn’t fit well with Gasol, waste of a #2 pick.
Harden – Comes off the bench as a scorer behind Mayo/Gay, waste of a #2 pick.
Rubio – Instantly, Memphis becomes a team to watch(Uptempo exciting offense), becomes a team that will constantly be telecast in spain(Due to Rubio/Gasol), helping their international revenues immensely.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you are saying....
I really do but if you think you have your point guard of the future ( which I think he wallace think he dose in conley because of the two trades they made this season ) then why draft another one that would be a waste of a pick as well… and thabeet dosn’t have an offensive game right now but that didn’t stop the bulls from getting tyson chandler pretty high in the draft ( the same one were they got eddy curry WHO PLAYED THE SAME POSITION ) Thabeet only need to learn how to dunk offensive rebound to be effective and it is a major trading chip to have an accomplished center to trade so that would be good for wallace down the road.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabeet-Rubio
Fact is, Rubio is much more marketable, which is what Memphis needs right now. Much more so then Conley.
What is a waste of a pick?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if....
rubio dosent want to play for them an deciede he’d rather make more money in spain then memphis like juan carlos did then you have wasted the 2nd pick on a guy who never sees the court and that would be slightly embaressing for mr. wallace
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason he doesn't want to play in Memphis
Is because he wants his sponsor revenue to cover his buyout(Earning his team contract money). That won’t happen in Memphis, I thought they would not take him because of this… Now today, new light has been shed upon the subject.
He is sueing Badalona to lower his buyout, drastically increasing his chances of him going to Memphis.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he wins the lawsuit....
which i don’t know about in spain but in the US lawsuits usueally take a long time to get sorted out like longer then june and thus you would have to draft him not knowing if he wins wich sounds risky and risky moves are noth thing most gms like to do.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The have to take the gamble
Ricky is a potential franchise saver. That is what they need, not some conservative pick that will play limited minutes.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also ...
I don’t think he want to play for mempish cause they have been a loser franchise since they have exsited … they trade Paul Gasol for 20 cents on the dollar because they didn’t want to pay him… they aliented Jaun Carlos Navaro a fellow spainard so much he decied to leave the nba for spain and if he is gonna take a pay cut why would he want to put him self in a miserable situation.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conley To PDX
1) Yes I do, If Rubio wins his lawsuit against Badalona & stays in Memphis, Conely will want out.
2) There is a whole mess of ways to go about it really. It depends if KP believes Conley is an upgrade over Blake at starting PG, because in all honesty Blake/Conley/Bayless is far too crowded. Our core as described by me: “Bayless, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden, Przybilla”; Leaves Blake, Rudy, Outlaw, Webster, Sergio, 3million dollar trade exception. The most interesting player in Memphis’s eyes is obviously Rudy Fernandez. Would help a lot in recruiting Rubio to Memphis & he fits well with all the dominant ball handlers. I could see them being interested in Blake & Outlaw’s unguaranteed contracts as well, because they are in prime position to make a splash in FA, for players like Hedo Turkoglu & Chris “Birdman” Anderson.
A PG position of Blake/Conley/Bayless is far too crowded & creates a mess at that position. So I think if you trade for Conley, either Blake or Bayless is gone. With the raves from KP about work ethic & him training with Oden in the offseason, that tells me Bayless is safe. To me that says, if we do get Conley, Blake will be gone. If he is not, he will be shipped out in another trade a few minutes later :p The way the talks are developing in my opinion will start at Conley-Outlaw swap + picks. I guarantee that Memphis will be inquiring about Fernandez though.
Quick scenario for you;
Blazers receive: Mike Conley Jr, 27th Overall, Hamed Haddadi, Darrell Arthur
Grizzlies receive: Travis Outlaw, 24th Overall, 2.5 Million Cash(Trade exception for Haddadi/Arthur)
We would be making out like Bandits, if that is the way it goes down.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to chad ford...
Memphis dose not want rubio it wants thabeet… also rubio dosen’t want to play for memphis so I don’t see them drafting him they would draft thabeet and thus would be unlikly to move conley who is there starter at point.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear god
Chad Ford is a dunce.
Rubio never has been quoting as “I don’t want to play for Memphis”. If he wins his lawsuit, his agent will be much less hostile about him going to a large market. Thabeet is a terrible pick, Marc Gasol is not a power forward & cannot guard them. They have Milicic/Haddadi backing him up too. It is a waste to draft Thabeet.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
say what you want about chad ford but I think he has been pretty accurate with what teams want/what they do… also i don’t think anyone thinks milici is gonna do anything and thabeet is a project anyway so gasol can start and they can bring thabeet off the bench for a while and then they have a big trade chip if both develope. And they spent this season trading away young point to make way for conley so i doubt they add another young Point.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milicic is a good backup
Bringing the #2 pick off the bench? Oh yea, that is a good way to put your franchise in the dumpster. Compared to trading away Conley for the Rubio who would instantly be a fan favorite & make that team very exciting, uptempo ball club.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um....
Just because a guy got picked second in the draft dosn’t mean he is good… Kawme brown got picked first and basically sucks and is behind some undrafted/second roung picks on detroits depth chart… the word bust comes to mind…. if milici was good he would be with detroit and not on his third team.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis - Financial turmoil
They are in a unique situation. No good big men will be available(Hill is a joke). Harden/Thabeet would come off the bench, limited role, limited minutes.
Rubio provides excitement, international marketability & an immediate starter.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but...
thats true he would start but only because you take a franchise piece and put him on the bench or trade him…. and if you are gonna do that you could start thabeet and put gasol on the bench or trade him.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gasol
Miles ahead of Thabeet offensively.
Rubio has the advantage of playing with Gasol previously. Thabeet has no such advantage, nor does he have the advantage of being very marketable, worldwide none the less.
You don’t trade Gasol & keep Thabeet.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
i was just saying you could, you also don’t trade a building block pg who you have been developing for two years and that you traded away two valuable assets so that he could be the man for an untested rookie.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When your franchise is in the dumpster
Clap your hands !
No but seriously, they need $$$ & excitement. Rooo-bee-ohhhhhh
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis???
International flavor????
They already have Gasol.
They already have all the Spanish fans coming.
Why pay extra $$$ to cover Rubio’s buyout when they are trying to cut overhead costs?
They dumped the older Gasol to save $$$ so ???
by spencerbutte on Jun 8, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buyout
The team who drafts him are limited to the amount the can contribute. No team can pay more then another, LA can’t give him more money the Memphis, just like draft slots. It would cost them no more to draft any other the other options WHO WOULD NOT START.
Not international flavor. Excitement. Flair. The more Spaniards on your team, the more Spaniards watch in Spain. We had a boost when Rudy came over. Rubio Gasol is a much bigger combo.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spain isnt a big deal to them...
They alienated Jaun Carlos and they traded Paul gasol the best spainish player in the game for 20 cents on the dollar i do not think they care about spain.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but i think you are over estimating rubiop in that department....
Its not like they are drafting lebron memphis would still never be on espn or tnt and while they may gain spainish fans its not like the sapinish fans are crazy like the chinese fan who almost got yi lin on the allstar team so i think you are overestimating rubios marketability a little. however my friend i think we have to agree to dis agree because my shift is just about over and i am going home.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio
Is as marketable as any player since LeBron.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um really more marketable then
durant / oden ? how many espn articles have been written about either? and if haveing such a big influnce in spain is so important then why would memphis trade the most famous spainish player in the league paul for 20 cents on the dollar.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Really.
They traded Gasol in a youth movement. Their roster was already in the dumpster, but so far have done a decent job rebuilding with the picks they got.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clarification
I am very high on Conley for a number of reasons that have been discussed in depth, most importantly to me is that he is cheaper than Heinrich. I dont know if I would want to give up Fernandez to get him though. I have a feeling Rudy is going to be really special and it would kill me to see him being really special somewhere else. (plus I would be delegated back to watching blazer games at the bar if Rudy is gone as my wife has no other interest in the blazers.) I have heard lots of talk about Conely but I just wonder if he is the/one of the pieces that gets us over the top and I am not wanting to give up two of our top prospects Bayless and Rudy to get him
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy
I love him & don’t want to see him gone… If we could get a starter for him though?… I would be more inclined to deal Rudy, rather then Batum or Bayless. Partly, because I am very high on Louisville SG, Terrence Williams & what he brings to the table as a defender/rebounder, as well as all around versatility. That would require an additional trade, but if we lost Rudy it would be a must imo.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No trade of Rudy would be acceptable for a talent less then Deron williams
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 7, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rudy shouldn't go he should be....
manu ginoble the best six man for the next decade!
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deron Williams at 21
I agree.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I agree with you about moving Rudy before Batum and Rudy (maybe) before Bayless. I would move Rudy for Conley depending on the rest of the deal, and if we we for sure gonna get T-Will, but I dont think we get T-Will so that mucks things up in my mind alittle bit. If we could get Conley + for Outlaw and the 24 I do it in a second though
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No question. Conley, for Outlaw, 24
is in our favor. Then turn around & make a package for Reggie Evans. Then just hope that KP did a good job scouting 2nd round prospects.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Memphis (stuiply) passes on Rubio
Would it be possible for the Blazers to pry both Conley Jr. and Marc Gasol from Memphis?
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Don’t wanna go down that road. Gasol would be insanely mad playing backup to Oden(Who he outperformed last year).
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I figured
I love Pryz but at some point Pryz will likely be gone and Memphis has made bad deals with another Gasol in the past and well thats just my pipe dream
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
conley?????
I am failing to understand why everyone wants this guy…. he wasn’t starting in memphis for most of the season and I don’t think he was that great once he played…. so far the only reason I have seen for wanting him is that he played with oden which to me dosn’t mean a whole lot…. should we pick up bobby jones because he played with roy in college… should we try and get daquan cook from the heat cause he played with oden as well… shoot lets call juan dixon cause he played with steve blake in college and they won a national title togheter, oh and lets get chris wilcox as well, and sign lonny baxter im sure he is a free agent…. help me understand why you want conley on the team him playing with oden in college and high school is not a good enough reason.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conley
He is just as far along at age 21 as Deron Williams was.
Deron Williams – Age 21 VS Mike Conley – Age 21
Williams – 28.8mpg, .421 FG%, .416 3PT%, .704 FT%, 10.8ppg, 4.5apg, 2.4rpg, .8spg
Conley – 30.2mpg, 442 FG%, .406 3PT%, .817 FT%, 10.9ppg, 4.3apg, 3.4rpg, 1.10spg
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maby true but...
It might be true that conleys stats compare to deron williams at the same age but makeing the leap from that level to basically the allstar level is hard. why dose everyone think conley will make that jump? and can conley play D ?
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He plays D
As well as you can, as a 6’1" PG playing on a team that is known to have absolute horrible team defense. Mayo & Gay barely try. They have no post defense presence at all aside from Marc Gasol(inexperienced). He had a commitment to defense, all year. Which is surprising because of how little help he got from his team mates.
Why do I think he can improve to the all star level? He has all the tools & fits next to Roy very well.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can he make the leap?
You never know if someone is gonna take it to the next level, but Conley is young enough and like TheGreatDane said he has all the tools. Captain Kirk on the other hand is not gonna change, or improve his game much he is pretty much what he is gonna be and that is an overpaid second tier gaurd
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
I don’t know i guess im not sold on conley…. I like hinrich because he can play the two and the tree effectivly and he can guard the best gaurd on the opposing team which would allow roy to be more of a roamer on D and help give him more energy for offense late in games, plus allow for us to hopefully get more steals and thus more fats break point and easy offense…. if conley is 6’1 would he basically be repeating defensivly what were getting from bayless? and if we got to small point gaurds what are we gonna do when chauncy billups and deron williams come to town twice a year…. and if conley is gonna make our d worse or not better then im not interested.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conley is much longer than Bayless
and is a MUCH better defender. Not to mention the additional POINT GUARD skills he’d bring. In addition to being a 3 point threat, he’s also able to penetrate the key and finish or get the big men easy finishing opportunities. He’s basically a best of both worlds guy. IF Memphis drafts Rubio, Conley should be the guy we go after.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good
I dunno, i think I would rather have hinrich and wait and see on bayless… as far as spurs and hornets go they can defend bigger points by using there two gaurds on them something we wouldn’t want to do because we don’t want to over do it on roy on the defensive end of the court, that is why I would rather have hinrich who is a defensive plus.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then
You think that Hinrich is the piece that puts us over the top? My biggest argument for Conley is my biggest argument against Hinrich. Hinrich costs way too much, and he is overvalued by Blazer fans. He is not worth the money we would have to pay him. If for some reason Hinrich doesnt work out we are stuck with him and his huge contract. Conley is younger, fits our timeline, and is on a better contract I just cant see Kirk as the better option.
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Conley would be a permanent solution
You don’t want to mess around with your future. Using a bunch of assets on a guy that’s going to be 29 years old by the playoffs next year isn’t a great way to go, when you consider when this team is likely to be peaking. Conley Jr is 21 years old, has all the skills we require from the position, is a fine defender, as he’s both long and quick (priority for future defensive point guard). Ideally the end of this offseason could see us with Hinrich and Conley as our two point guards. I think you can downgrade elsewhere if you end up with both those guys at point guard covering 48 minutes a game between them. Subtract some combo of Blake, Bayless, Sergio, Trout, Webster, #24 and #32 and we should have the ammo for those two plus some. Then you just need your banger 4 and you’re pretty much set.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be very intriguing
What would you do at SF? good points are rare so I guess we could find some servicable SF but who?
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum should be our perfect long term SF
It shouldn’t be too difficult to find a back up for the 2 and 3 spots for 10 minutes a game. Roy, Rudy and Batum will require almost all of the wing minutes in my not-so unrealistic dream future lineup.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SF i would like to see is....
Mike Miller… I love Batum and I would like to keep him forever… but I think bringing in Mike Miller would be a good move because he is a very good rebounder something we don’t get from travis outlaw, he is also a pretty good three point shooter and could help space the floor a little better then batum for Roy… we could move batum to the second unit were he would have more of a chance to play in transition with rudy…
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
Batum is already better then Miller on defense. I would rather Miller come off the bench as a 2/3 guy.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah either way....
I just think batum fits in better with the uptempo game and miller is a better shooter right now which would space the floor for lma/brandon/oden but miller could start the game and batum could finish depending on if you need D or shooting.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum
Will be just fine with our offensive pace. You want defense at the start of the game more then anything else.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum should be starting
In my opinion, behind him? We should be looking for players that can play the 3/4, not the 2/3. Dennis Rodman & Shawn Kemp. Yes I know they are long done, but KP… Find the closest thing you can !
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
Dennis rodman and kemp were starters they wouldn’t come off the bench for batum and Iam pretty sure that they play almost exclusivly at the 4 not 3/4… but I get you point youd rather have a bigger body.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Role Players
We wouldn’t get exactly those guys, obviously. Try to find players that are young & similarly talented… But won’t demand big minutes.
Kemp – Serge Ibaka(Rights owned by the Thunder. Plays for Ricoh Manresa of Spain, trade for his rights cheap now, benefit later)
Rodman – Damion James/Taj Gibson(Both the draft this year, I would like us to draft both with our 2nd round picks, I would even reach for James with our 1st round pick).
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay okay
You guys make good arguments for conley at least I can see your perspective, however r you ready to ditch bayless? two young points is not a good thing neccessarily as both will need time and both will need to play ( bayless to learn and conley because he is yound and getting started and is gonna want to play. ) also if both gaurds become good there could be a possibility of a PG contorversy with some pepole liking bayless and some liking conley… I would be all for conley if we get rid of bayless… also some one suggested hinrich and bayless that would be awsome.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
I meant to say someone suggested hinrich and conley… stupid work taking my attention away from blogging….
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no !
Two, talented, young, promising PG’s can coexist. Can have success. It is proven.
Isiah Thomas
Vinnie “Microwave” Johnson
Conley|Bayless tandem would compare very favorably to those two.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
question?
if conley is unavailble as I think will be the case would you want hinrich or you just don’t want him at all?
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really depends on what is available
Hinrich is definitely among the very short list of point guard that fit and are available. There are quite a few young guys I’d want as my future of the position over Hinrich. As far as the older guys go, Hinrich is probably our best fit, but I don’t know if I’d be willing to give up all that much for him. There’s no scenario where trading Rudy for Hinrich as the main part of a trade is an acceptable move. Blake or Trout I can see doing it, but not much more than that.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends
How quick does KP think Bayless will be able to be a quality NBA PG? Less then 3 years? I say let go of Blake, sign J-Kidd. More then 3 years, sign Hinrich.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs & Hornets
Do just fine against Billups/Williams, with Parker & Paul respectively. Its all about playing team defense & a posts ability to shut off penetration(A benefit Conley did not have in Memphis).
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich/Blake/Bayless
It’s time to win, now. If KP can’t get Tony Parker or Devin Harris, the Kirk and Steve “combo” is the way to go. Bayless can learn defense from Hinrich and running the offense from Blake then next summer the PG position can be re-evaluated. Blake or Hinrich would still be good trading chips in 2010 (expiring contact for Steve, descending contract for Kirk)
If Tyreke Evans is the answer, I don’t want to know the question. You have to look at more than his size before deciding he’s the right “kind” of PG for Nate. From the scouting reports he’s a turnover machine with a bad jumper who shoots without conscience. Oh yeah, Nate would love him
And Conley’s too small to be a target. Move on, please
by two4larue on Jun 7, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Win Now
There is no point in having Hinrich/Blake/Bayless. Blake is not a good option as a scorer off the bench as Bayless is. Not worth it one ibt.
Evans. Yes he has a high turnover rate. So did Stuckey, so did Bayless. Ah yes, Bayless also has a bad jumper.
Conley too small? Yet you mention Tony Parker? Priceless.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich/Blake/Bayless
It’s time to win, now. ?? Hinrich is gonna put us over the top I know that Hinrich plays defense, but he has to!! Why does he have to play defense you ask? He doesnt do anything else this team needs. He is a bigger Blake with better D and a bigger contract. How is wasting all of our money on one second tier point gaurd gonna help us win now?
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my thinking re: Hinrich/Blake
You’ve got two guys who can play hard for 48 minutes a night. Neither will turn the ball over much (which Nate loves) both can play “off” Roy, or Rudy
If either Kirk or Steve gets hurt, you still have a proven starting PG to plug in for awhile, and the beat goes on
Bayless can learn from both veterans, defense from Hinrich, half-court execution from Blake
Is HInrich overpaid for what he offers? That won’t be determined until the next playoff series. If Kirk helps the Blazers advance farther than they did this year, then no one should be complaining about his salary
I’m really not sure if KP has his sights on Cap’n Kirk. There have been trade rumors for 12+ months, who knows how accurate these are? But I know both Nate and KP like Blake, so I doubt Steve gets dealt. Hinrich upgrades the PG position and shifts Blake to backup PG where he will be one of the best in the NBA, in that role
by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve got two guys who can play hard for 48 minutes a night
I should’ve said that “combined” they can play hard for 48 mpg. As a tandem at the PG position. (Hinrich for 28 minutes, Blake for 20, etc) Foul trouble would not be an issue, so they can “go for it” and not have to hold anything back in reserve
by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you expect Bayless to get 0 mpg next year?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things happen
Just like this year, Blake got hurt. Blowouts happen. You never “plan” for the 3rd PG to play major minutes in a game, but he’s like a spare tire, you don’t leave home witht one
Do I think Jerryd would like this idea? Not one little bit. But like I said the idea is to win now. Here’s a quote from a Trib article that I’m going to keep referring to for awhile, until this idea sinks in
"Nate has taken on so many young guys the last couple of years," Pritchard said. "At a point in time, you can’t focus on development anymore; you have to focus on being successful. I would rather not add four rookies again."
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=124418073755700200
It’s time for KP to provide McMillian with veterans. All of these rookie PGs in the draft may be talented and have bright futures, but the time to add youth is over. Oh sure, you might fill out the bottom of the roster with a project big man. But when we’re talking about a point guard, that player had better be ready to contribute from day 1, next year. Hinrich can do that. Guys like Tyreke Evans shouldn’t even be on the radar
by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too small?
And Conley’s too small to be a target. Move on, please
you mean the tippy top of his head is too far off the ground? I’ll go ahead and presume that’s a defensive issue for you. The only problem with that is that wingspan is the proper measurement for defense in perimeter players (why we all like Batum). Mike Conley Jr has a wingspan of 6’6". Same as Hinrich, bigger than Blake, obviously bigger than Bayless. He’s actually a very good, and determined defender as has been gone over already here on BE. He also brings ALL of our necessary requirements from the position unlike Hinrich. Conley is a great shooter at 21 years old (41% from 3), and is very good at getting inside and either scoring or finding the proper big to finish (Oden, maybe LMA). He has the best ball control out of any of these guys, because of his elite ball handling abilities, and is able to play off the ball too, as he did some of that over in Memphis (with their Roy – Mayo). The Oden thing is just a bonus.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I dont know why people get hung up on his height. On a team that plays good team defense Conely will be a huge upgrade over blake (the reason people want Kirk) and he will bring better scoring ability (shooting as well as driving) and possibly most importantly a younger player (fits our timeline) and cheaper contract
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 7, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention his weight
Conley weighs what, 180-185? Can he fight through screens? Don’t make this about what I want, I’m only observing what Nate seems to prefer based on his past comments and behavior. He’s the coach
I thought Conley played great for Lionel Hollins. But I don’t suspect he’s the kind of PG McMillian would be as interested in. I could be wrong about this, but one thing I do know is: you’re not the coach
by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
if these kinds of things keep getting in the way of us acquiring the proper talent to win, and it’s because Nate can’t work around his system, he’s going to be out. In practice, it’s nice that you have your system that you run, but when you can’t adjust (and you have to in this league, especially in the playoffs), that’s when its time to move on.
Not being able to find a place on your team for a guy like Conley is inexcusable when your current point guards are who they are currently. KP has given Nate the world in talent to work with up to this point, and he has the pieces to give even more. This really will be a make or break year for Nate. Getting ousted in the first round of the playoffs, no matter what, isn’t cutting it next year. To an even further degree if he gets destroyed by the opposing coach as he did this year.
by as11osu on Jun 9, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Tyreke Evans reminds me way too much of Larry Hughes.
An inefficient jump shooter who’s a turnover machine = bad times.
by AK1984 on Jun 7, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
40lbs bigger then Larry Hughes
Would you perhaps be the admin for this site? http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah seriously good point
The team needs a player who isn’t developing into a great player they need a good great player already get the best now if you don’t have to give up more then Outlaw and sergio and a draft pick or two to get it
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 7, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down
Its not like Roy/Aldridge/Oden/Batum are all 30 years old & we need to make some desperation move.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake – Bayless – Jennings
29 yrs. – 21 yrs.. – 19 yrs old
vet. – tweener – true point guard that can defend against the quicker, faster, small guards that the current rules favor (not the rules that Nate played under).
Jennings is falling in the draft because of lack of recent exposure.
That works in the Blazers favor. Evans has moved up into Jennings slot.
Our chances of working a trade up to acquire Evans is very slim.
Do we really need Evans?
Blake can continue to do a good job at PG until Bayless matures
except against the small quick PGs like Chris Paul and Aron Brooks.
That’s were Jennings comes in. He already has the skill set (like Batum with SFs)
to blunt the scoring capability of those "quicks".
Jennings with his abilities reminds me very much of what I saw in Batum’s
future. Jennings and Bayless could compliment each others game and
be used by Nate to match up against any PG that they oppose.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jennings should be the 2nd PG taken
he’s going to be quite an NBA point guard. Bayless is a hit or miss guy. Hopefully we don’t pass up Jennings because of it. He’s the 3rd or 4th best overall prospect this year, and it’s looking like he could be had in the late lottery. That is completely doable.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be... your right but
he hasn’t been available to compare his current skills so…
Jennings is falling. (check to recent revised mock drafts).
I think it is the type of “steal” that KP can/should pull off.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jennings dosen't seem right.....
I don’t think we would get jennings because…
A. He isn’t that smart if he could pass the SAT to get into school thats a bad sign you don’t want the quarterback of your team not being very smart.
B. Character instead of studying harder for his SAT he just gave up and went to europe… so if he struggles with an aspect of his game is he going to put in the work neccesary to improve it ?
C. while i havn’t seen him play from what I here he is kind of a flashy guy, I don’t think this would be a good mesh with the blazers team as most of the guys are pretty low key, and since the current front office has put this group togheter with out any really flashy guys its safe to saythat flashy guys are not there type of player.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C.
Only flashy thing we do is dunk. Hard. :)
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Jennings as a prospect, though he has something Amare-ish about him that could turn off some teams like the Blazers
by Norsktroll on Jun 7, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
freakish athleticism?
Seriously though, he seems like he has a good head on his shoulders after hearing him talk.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Young Money"
GETTIN GQ FOR THE SPORTS SPECTACULAR. MOHAWK, with the "Elevee" SUIT! with LOUIE SUNGLASSES.
I’m not saying he is a bad guy. Just that he is a showman similar to Amar’e, and I’m not sure the Blazers want to go more in this direction than say Bayless or Rudy.
by Norsktroll on Jun 7, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope KP isn't making moves to avoid flash
Jennings on the court is going to be a very good NBA point guard. If decisions are being made that aren’t basketball related at this point I’d be very disappointed.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His overseas performance
Compared to other PG’s who have came over is concerning to me.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be concerned
With Sergio wanting out…we need a 3rd PG
Jennings will need several years to get his game together.
In the meantime, we can find out how Bayless will pan out and
Jennings can shutdown Aaron Brooks and we can get past the Rockets.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you want us to give up?
Jennings has just a good a chance at shutting down Brooks as Bayless does imo.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings is a much better defender
that’s how he’s being used right now (as a defensive specialist). Bayless is pretty lousy defensively. Jennings is much longer than Bayless and is quicker than him to boot.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I have to disaggree
Short armed Bayless vs Jennings???
You need to watch a little YouTube featuring Jennings.
Read about his defense capabilities also.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we want a defensive specialist, long arms
Don’t bother trading up for Jennings, just draft Beubious with our 24th pick.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings has the full package of PF skills
STRENGTHS:
- True point guard
- Explosiveness
- Mix between scoring/passing
- Offensive creativity
- Ability to create own shot
- Ball-handling skills
- Ability to create either hand
- Ability to get in passing
lanes
- Lateral quickness
- Change of gears/Hesitation
moves
- Excellent skill-level
- Work ethic
- Excellent first step
- Court vision
- Passing skills
- Potential
- Basketball instincts
- Left-handed
- Ability to create for others
- Confidence
- Athleticism
- Strong Intangibles
- Shooting mechanics
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weaknesses
Commitment to playing defense
Man-To-Man defense
Shot selection
Poor rebounder
Activity level
Ability to fight through screens
No thanks
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of those defensive issues no longer remain
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many games did you watch of Loma Romattica?
I watched 3 via stream & he was not a “defensive specialist” to say the least.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only watched 2 or 3 this year...
but I’d see him play before that as well.
You’re definitely not painting a fair picture of him defensively, as the games I saw him in, he was very good.
I’d wager Jennings career over anyone but Rubio and Griffin coming out of this class. His game is made for the NBA. Who is even going to be able to hang with this kid when he has the ball in his hands? You need help from the get go.
by as11osu on Jun 8, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could do exactly this for any player
Do you know who you just turned down as well?
Chris Paul. Exactly the same weaknesses coming out of college.
by as11osu on Jun 8, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference
Was I had a much better grasp of what CP3 could do out of wake forest, rather then how Jennings did in Europe. Like I said, if KP makes the move, sign me up.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you want a player elitely skilled offensively as well...
Jennings is a two-way player, that has as much athleticism as anyone you’ll see, on top of NBA vision and passing ability. He’s great at getting himself into the lane and either finishing or getting a big an easy look.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If KP drafts him
I am on board.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a defensive specialist splitting point guard duties
while still putting up over a 34% assist rate (top 10 in Italy). His game is going to be a perfect match with today’s NBA game. He’s ridiculously long and quick as a defender, in addition to being a great passer and a very good finisher around the basket.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard he was a defensive specialist
If we want that, go after Jrue Holiday. Who would also satisfy Nates hunger for a 6’4"+ PG.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jrue isn't really a point guard (same issue we have with Bayless)
Jennings is your prototypical point guard, looking to get his teammates easy shots. He’s also more athletically gifted than Jrue, with a better NBA game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeeoFwv-Ctg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpqtynQOAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MowgvwvlQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGWaLR-aQ1I
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well go after Conley.
Who can be a starter now, with Bayless off the bench. But I think you agree with me in that regard.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That comes at a drastically different price
we might get Jennings by just giving up #24 and #32 or some such thing. Maybe #24 and Sergio. Conley Jr, who I obviously want more would cost us at minimum Outlaw and Blake, or Outlaw and Bayless.
by as11osu on Jun 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
24 and sergio?
why would a team trade for a pick and PG when they could just draft Jennings him self.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
it looks like the Griss are not taking Rubio but Harding a SG.
That means Conley won’t be available
so… I don’t agree.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harding makes about as much sense as Thabeet.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBIQ vs SAT + sobering year in Europe = great PG pickup
We know how good Westbrook is and he had someone else take his SAT test.
There is an interview recently with Jennings (on DraftExpress) that will change your opinion of him as a Brash, self-centered, immature player.
Jennings did everything the coaching staff asked of him… to a fault.
I’m sure KP is aware of how mature he has become in just the past year.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see
well if he has grown then I could see it but I don’t think you draft a point unless you ditch bayless and im not ready to ditch bayless for jennings. and as far as westbrook having someone take the test for him at least he found a way to pass it.
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep all three
Blake, Bayless, and Jennings.
The way Bayless throws his body into the fray…
he will be dinged up by the playoffs and need a backup.
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 young points wont work
2 young guys at the point isn’t gonna work both will need playing time as will blake in a contract year, you need one young guy and a vet and some guy who dosn’t mind playing limited minutes ( Tryone lue perhaps)
by kwestfan on Jun 7, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy & Roy
Oden & PrzyBilla
Batum & Webster
To win it all you need good depth especially with an 82 game season.
It’s all about the minutes and
let the better man get the most
by spencerbutte on Jun 7, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says you.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless is a combo who can also play the 2
Get the point!
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 8, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
play the 2 next to who...
if bayless is at 2 you better have a big guy at point or we gonna get abused on d and most SG would shoot right over the top of bayless.
by kwestfan on Jun 8, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd just like to point out...
That all you guys have done a very good job in this thread of arguing, passionately, many different thoughts and ideas without resorting to personal attacks. There were a couple of statements that were close: “Calm down”, “move on”, that were maybe a shade over the line; but this thread is a good example of how people can argue without getting personal.
The strongest argument in the whole thread? “Says you.” by TheGreatDane17. That told ’em good. :)
So he said in himself: "O vilest of those wherefor was made the byword: 'The pilgrimage is not perfected save by copulation with the camel!"' Richard Burton, Arabian Nights
by -ken on Jun 8, 2009 4:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
^.^
Thanks, I figured since he made the same post a few times… A simple Says You would suffice :p
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking at the number of comments and thinking ...
…. must be a good post. (Actually it’s pretty good, if you like all the speculation on who our PG should be.)
But then I notice that almost 40% (61 out of 160) of the comments are by Dane. So that’s how you rack up the numbers. Nice work. (And good assist work from kwestfan – 21% of the scoring load.) The only thing missing was the beer.
No criticism intended. I was just struck by all the charger avatars and decided to count them.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 8, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was a bit sad no one else joined in the convo
But Kwest kept the convo interesting.
A bit harsh to see Norsk’s Fianiancial post get recced within 5 minutes of being posted & I couldn’t get a one. Oh well, I had fun & thats all that matters !
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 8, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll rec you.
For commitment to the topic, if nothing else.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 9, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big/strong PGs.
Here’s a little speculation to throw out there to see what y’all think: seems like size, strength, or both would be the way to go for this team. A BRoy team isn’t going to do a lot of running—it should run more than last year, but it won’t be a staple. Our pick-and-roll defense is suspect, and having a guard with the strength to fight through picks would probably help cut down on the switches. Further, a tall, strong guard would be more able to hold his own in the event of a switch.
by Benjamanic on Jun 19, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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