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My bet is that KP was referring to Duncan + Poll

 

Like many Blazer fans who began to speculate about who Kevin Pritchard was referring to in his conversation with Canzano at the Saturday Market, I've been trying to think of every imaginable scenario that would A) Put us in the conversation to be championship contenders, B) Fit the culture KP has managed to create here in Portland, C) Make sense to the other team, and D) Fall into the category of "Man, seriously, if you only knew who I was talking about."

I've seen many people throwing out names like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, K-be Bry-nt, and even Lebron James. I have a hard time imagining those players going anywhere in a trade...especially when you consider how much value their respective NBA franchises stand to lose if those players leave. 

I imagine that many of you who have clicked on this link have already formulated arguments as to why "Duncan doesn't fit our timeline," or "Lamarcus is young and is only tapping his potential".  Well I must say that I tend to agree with you.  And, that is where this all takes an interesting twist.  If in fact KP was referring to Duncan in his conversation with Canzano, and that is a HUGE if, it isn't because Duncan is his target...it's because KP's real target is Tony Parker.  The key to getting Tony Parker, I believe, is to take back Tim Duncan, and help restock San Antonio's roster with some young promising players, better contracts, and free agent opportunities.

Quite frankly, San Antonio is in a bad spot.  They are a team that was/is designed to win now with an abundance of aging players, and they faded towards the end of the season. Losing Ginobolli for the playoffs was obviously a big part of that, but I'm not convinced he puts them over the top anyway.  I also think San Antonio is losing the appeal of a place where veterans are willing to take a pay cut and try to win a title.  I may be wrong in this thought, but I don't think I am.  So why would San Antonio do a deal with us?

Duncan is scheduled to make around $20 Million over each of the next 3 seasons and Parker is scheduled to make around $13 Million over each of the next 2.  Since I don't see San Antonio getting any better (and only getting older), what is the point of keeping them around? That's what the Sonics/Thunder did with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.  Even though those guys have gone on to both reach the NBA finals, we've got to remember that they are both the 3rd option on their respective teams.  Suddenly, the Thunder are supposed to be a fun and exciting team that's up and coming.

Portland has some guys that San Antonio wants.  We know for sure that San Antonio recently wanted Przybilla as they tried to sign him. We know that they wanted Batum, but KP snatched him away.  I'm sure they would be more than happy to have Aldridge, who is due to be an all star for the better part of the next decade.  In fact, they probably like players like Rudy, Bayless, and Outlaw too. 

So why not make a deal if it makes sense for both teams?  Contrary to what some might say, The Blazers do have the ability to match salaries under the current CBA, as they can still use Raef LaFrentz in a sign and trade, and could probably somehow do an extension on Lamarcus' contract as well.  Raef would be making some darn sweet money for 1 year as a Keith Van Horn type of throw in, but I could see San Antonio paying the salary for a year, if in the end it removes the financial obligation of paying for Duncan and Parker's big contracts over the next 3 years. It would be like what we did with Steve Francis when we traded Zach Randolph away. Plus, when Duncan gets to be about 36-37, we could then slightly retool our roster with his $21 Million Dollar expiring contract, and THAT COULD EXTEND OUR CHAMPIONSHIP WINDOW TO AS LONG AS IT MIGHT BE IF WE JUST STAND PAT NOW. The deal would have to include Aldridge, Batum, one of (Blake or Bayless), one of (Przybilla or Rudy) and some draft picks.  We'd have to throw in what San Antonio wants, without completely gutting our bench.  There are different combinations you could do to make this trade.  This particular one would send Bayless, Rudy, Aldridge, Batum, #24 Pick, maybe some 2nd round picks, and LaFrentz's loop-hole contract. As much as I love Rudy, I just don't see him starting on the Blazers as long as we have Roy, unless we move Roy to the SF, which would be controversial to do.

Portland        

PG-Parker, Blake, (Kopenen ?)

SG-Roy, ? (resign Fred Jones...you owe him KP)

C-Oden, Pryzbilla

PF-Duncan, Outlaw (Freeland  ?)

SF-Webster, (Udoka in as part of the deal?)

San Antonio

PG-Hill or Bayless

SG-Ginibolli, Rudy, Mason

C-Thomas or Oberto

PF-Aldridge, Bonner

SF-Batum or Finley



 

 

 

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Knowing we could retool with Duncan's eventual expiring contract, would you tamper with our roster to make a deal like this?
Yes
41 votes
No
329 votes

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Why would we want to "retool" when we are already re-tooled?

We are in our window with an amazing young core that already posted a 54-win season…. time is on our side… not so much if we go and swap out for aged veterans in the twilights of their careers. I’d rather get low price veterans like Antonio McDyess and keep our boy LMA!!!

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 7, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard we could trade sergio for lebron james

and then if that doesn’t work, we could trade LA + Roy for a keith van horn type player as long as the salaries match. That way we can get some more great draft picks and be an exciting up and coming team for the 2020 window, instead of the annoying “dynasty” title that might follow around our current roster.

by lurtsman on Jun 7, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the reminder chirscha

I was not considering the draconian power of the mods, and follow up my post to point out it was only in jest and good fun with the OP, whom I have nothing against and enjoy seeing as a member of the community. yay for the death of free speech and the birth of tyranny. That sounds really anti-american… God Bless America and our constitution, if I get banned I’ll just make a new account.

by lurtsman on Jun 7, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

since I can't tell you how I truly feel about this trade idea for frear of being banned by commrade mod

I’ll just say, it looks like you put thought into this post. I disagree with your idea.

The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave

by chrischa on Jun 7, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

I expected over this post

But give me some credit…

Batum, Aldridge, Bayless, Pryzbilla, Rudy = a pretty good starting lineup. (4 of which have 10+ years left on their careers…all of which have very nice contracts.)

Duncan is still very good but his time is limited in this league and has been missing more and more games due to injury. Parker on the other hand is incredible.

I guess the question is whether or not the Spurs want to stand pat and watch teams get younger and/or better while they are going nowhere, or are they going to be proactive about it. The scenario I’ve given allows them to blow things up, but gives them really good parts already in place that should speed up their timeline to get back into the thick of things.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jun 7, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is a good basis for a lineup

why trade it essentially for one all-star point guard? we give up three or maybe four players there that could be future all-stars.

I think SA is working KP hard for Batum. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of it.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a very interesting Idea

But It feels like we would have a couple of years of championship potential, then we would do what we started 3 years ago. I think I am more into giving this team more time. Who knows if we would be able to assemble a team as good as we have now with Duncan’s expiring contract?
   Also, imagine Duncan never again has a good season because of injury, you could say that with any player, but with an older guy like Duncan it’s more likely. So we would do all this, then never get a good couple of years out of him.
  Also, I don’t think Rudy has to start to be happy.He could still get a lot of time off the bench. I have heard this a lot lately, about Rudy not staying because he plays behind Roy. I think the thing is that Roy has played at SF already, quite a bit actually. A team with Roy and Rudy on at the same time is good, and also whenever Roy is injured Rudy can start. I think for a while at least Rudy is going to be just fine with us.
  Anyway, it is a good Idea, and I like your going outside the box. Many have talked about getting Parker but not Duncan. I am curious to hear from a real trade expert like storyteller, I have a feeling there is some reason this would not work out.

by twggyy on Jun 7, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No chance.

When KP was on Canzano’s program he kept pressing about who he was talking about until KP finally said something to the effect of, " I value some players that everyone else might think are garbage."

Considering no one on planet Earth regards Parker or Duncan as garbage I’m going to bet there is zero percent chance he was talking about any of those guys. The person he was talking about is probably a long shot, dark horse candidate that we wouldn’t really expect. It’s probably someone we wouldn’t imagine as a real good possibility and probably someone who doesn’t have the best reputation around the league.

I was thinking more along the lines of Jamal Crawford.

“Brandon Roy is one of my best friends and when he went to the playoffs (with Portland) I was just as excited as if I was playing. I told him ’I’m playing through you’ and I was up there supporting him and going to games. And this is the closest I’ve been now it’s time to win. You can do all the individual stuff but until you win you won’t get the credit you deserve.”-NBA Fanhouse

I think that would fit a little more with what he was talking about, although it’s certainly not as exciting. Crawford is a gunner who consistently puts up 20 points and 5 assists in a relatively inefficient way. He’s a fantastic three point shooter except he takes a lot of contested shots off the dribble, not sure if that’s Nellie and Isiah’s fault or his own. If KP thought Nate could cage the beast then maybe Jamal would be a good combo guard for Roy to play next to. He would certainly thrive as a spark plug off the bunch and he would be the only guy besides Roy and Outlaw who could consistently create for himself in the back-court.

It also helps that he and Brandon train together every summer in Seattle. If he wants to take a pay cut to come here I think it would be something to get a little excited about, especially if Outlaw get’s traded.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 7, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crawford makes a lot of sense.

I really don’t like his defensive reputation, but he fits in almost every other way. I was hoping for at least an upgrade on the defensive side if a move is going to be made.

Others in that mold that make sense.
Ben Gordon and Randy Foye.

Both are young gunners and can match up against the evil enemy PG’s defensively. (I realize that neither is a stopper.)

by parkinglotj on Jun 7, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon, and Randy Foye are inept defensively and inefficient offensively.

Well, okay, Gordon actually is efficient on offense; however, he’s absolutely atrocious on defense.

Anywah, the optimum backcourt partner for a guy with Brandon Roy’s skill set is Kirk Hinrich—end of story.

by AK1984 on Jun 7, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good points

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 7, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im growing on the Crawford idea...

The Duncan idea has its merits but only if the plan is to win for the next 2-3 years. K.P.s plan IMO is to win for the next 10-15 years. In KP i trust.

by blazerbeliever97504 on Jun 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford is much more of a shooting guard than a point guard

If they wanted more scoring from a point guard – at a lower price – they could go with Nate Robinson who really can stay in front of any point guard and play the passing lanes, it just doesn’t matter since people can shoot over him. Or Raymond Felton. Or Ramon Sessions.

by Norsktroll on Jun 7, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

but those players aren’t considered garbage by most people. Jamal has too many problems to be a reliable first option on most teams, but as a sixth option he might be perfect. Crawford is actually MORE of a PG than Nate Robinson is. Nate has a career assist % of 18.6 compared to Crawford at 22.4. Jamal Crawford also averages more assists per 36 minutes.

I would argue that Crawford is basically Nate Robinson only six inches taller. He has almost the same assist ratio as Brandon Roy and is statistically more of a PG than guys like Jason Terry, Ben Gordon, Rudy Fernandez, etc.

I’m just trying to dissect who KP could have been talking about and it seems like it needs to be someone who has a lot of talent but has a bad reputation. I think Crawford fits that mold even if he doesn’t end up fitting our team.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 7, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this line of thinking
When KP was on Canzano’s program he kept pressing about who he was talking about until KP finally said something to the effect of, " I value some players that everyone else might think are garbage."

Considering no one on planet Earth regards Parker or Duncan as garbage I’m going to bet there is zero percent chance he was talking about any of those guys. The person he was talking about is probably a long shot, dark horse candidate that we wouldn’t really expect. It’s probably someone we wouldn’t imagine as a real good possibility and probably someone who doesn’t have the best reputation around the league.


But I think instead of targeting Crawford KP was referring to a veteran big man (or possibly a PG) with extended playoff experience. That narrows the trade-partners down to the Celtics, Spurs, Pistons and Miami as teams who have won the finals in the past 5 years.

(And no, I don’t think Brian Scalabrine was the “garbage” that KP was talking about…)

by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been there, done that

If elected, Wallace would not “serve”

(and he won’t be selected by KP)

McDyess, Haslim or Powe would be more likely

by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As the resident under cover in San Antonio Bedger...

no, this will not ever happen. Duncan is their Roy, there would be riots in the streets. San Antonio is passionate about the Spurs in a way that only a small market can be. Also, reports of San Antonio’s demise are greatly exaggerated. Off season 2010/11, they have Tim and Tony on the books, that is all. With a healthy Ginobli, Dallas doesn’t beat them and they advance to the 2nd round. Tim Duncan will retain his value for a long time. His game is not predicated on athleticism, but on intelligence. Tim and Tony will be like Robinson and Duncan were, a young star and and aging star making a couple more runs.

As for us, WHY would we trade LMA? Tim Duncan is too old to trade for LMA. Also, Parker is nice, but lets see what we have in Bayless first. We are not getting Parker w/o trading Roy. Greg Popovich and R.C. Buford weren’t born yesterday. They trained KP! They will not be hung out to dry.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Jun 7, 2009 8:51 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Too early & way too much for San Antonio to give up.

LMA is a very nice player, but you are suggesting Two NBA Finals MVP players for a USA Select team invitee and some promising bench players.

We’d have to throw in what San Antonio wants, without completely gutting our bench.

They can have anything they want. Parker is in his prime and is often unstoppable. I would take 65 games a year from Dunan until he retires. His game is what it is and getting older will affect him less than it will other big men.

Roy, Duncan & Parker = Flat out the best roster in the league even if you round out the roster with our 20 2nd round picks that we have. Add Oden, Pryz, Webster, Blake & draft a SF…… yikes.

by tweener on Jun 7, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell no

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 7, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

I wouldn’t trade LA for Duncan straight across Duncan is done, LA is just getting started.

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 7, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe Raef can be re-signed and we have his "Larry Bird Rights"

That allows us to sign him for about whatever we want. Dallas did the same thing when they traded for Jason Kidd, and threw Keith Van Horn into the deal.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jun 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh, I see what you mean. Sorry. I thought you meant trade him under his old contract.

I suppose it’s possible but very unlikely. Van horn was signed to a pretty small deal to make up the difference in an already large salary trade. In this scenario, the Spurs would be asked to shell out a large salary for a player of Raef’s production, which I think is unlikely.

by dario argento on Jun 7, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't have Batum

Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Tyreke Evans(D)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Reggie Evans(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Damion James(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)

by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 7, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your swagger,

but I doubt Batum is in the top half of our untradeable versus tradeable list.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Jun 7, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My list

Untradeable
        Roy
        Oden
        Lamarcus
        Priz.
        Batum
        Rudy

        Bayless
         Blake
         Webster
        Travis
        Sergio
        Channing (off team?)
Tradeable

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 7, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This idea is insane,

to think that KP would trade away our building blocks of the future for TP and Duncan, who is aging fast and dealing with small injuries, is ludacris(I hope). Batum, Rudy, Bayless are all in KP’s plan for the future. No way this happens, although the idea of TP in Portland is kinda cool.

I trust KP not to do something so drastic with our great young roster.

In KP we trust

Greg Oden = Robert Parish - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jun 7, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Love the attitude

There still are so many Negative Nancy’s in here. It’s just banter. I post a lot of idea’s (realistic or not), but I still love ALL the guys on the current team.

by parkinglotj on Jun 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ya

I really like seeing these guys careers develop, luckily we have guys that are doing well enough that it’s an exciting road, and one that leads somewhere. I would not want to just bring in a bunch of stars I don’t know and win a championship.

by twggyy on Jun 7, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 7, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the way you think

If you end all your sentences with “and increased their/his trade value,” then I’d agree with you 100%.

by tominhawaii on Jun 7, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I've liked following this team for almost 40 years

I was in high school in ’77

There is a level of enjoyment watching the GM put a team together and seeing the roster develop out on the floor. But the goal is to win a championship (unless you’re like a Cub’s fan who just enjoys the “atmosphere” in the Wrigley bleachers?) Roster turnover is inevitable, so discussion about trades is to be expected.

I still remember the “outrage” of Blazer fans in the fall of ‘77 that the Blazers were cutting (the very popular playoff hero) Herm Gilliam during training camp to make room for rookie TR Dunn (never mind that the year before, the Blazer team brought in 7 new faces) When a young team has success, the feeling is "let’s keep ‘em all together" That wasn’t possible with the ‘77 squad, mostly due to injuries (Walton’s lawsuit) and the birth of NBA free agency (Weinberg couldn’t afford to pay them all)

This year, it’s not about salaries. It’s about taking the next step. “The plan” hasn’t changed, and it won’t change even if a couple of current players get dealt on draft day or a few weeks later. The “plan” for 2009 was to let the kids play, then to see where the team needed to be improved. Aside from Martell Webster, the evaluations are now complete:

Sergio Rodriguez wants out. That’s fine, his style mixed with Nate McMillian’s like oil/water.
Channing Frye? Not tough enough, needs to find more PT elsewhere
Travis Outlaw? Nice game-winning shots during the regular season, struggled mightily during the post season. No big surprise, there

After the Houston series, KP expressed the need for more toughness and physicality. Some of this will come with the natural aging process of the current players. But recently, KP has explained this “need” in a little more detail. What he’s apparently looking for is a veteran (or two) who can bring playoff experience to the young squad. This tells me the team’s “window opening” has accelerated (54 wins will do that for you…) and it’s time to shift from development to contending for a championship. (Brandon Roy made similar comments in his exit interview, BTW)

So, enjoy the highlights of the 2009 season. But don’t be disappointed if less than 9 of last year’s players return to push for a ring, this fall. (I have a feeling you’ll fall in love with next year’s Blazers, as well.) Even if a couple of the newcomers used to play for previous teams that you love to hate?

by two4larue on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like that too.

But If we can’t get to the Finals with Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, and Martell Webster, then I don’t see us ever getting there.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tim Duncan's career has already seen its highlights

and at this point injuries are a constant, game-by-game concern. He could retire tomorrow, go into the HOF, and there would be no bad memories of him at half speed hanging on as there are of Karl Malone, Gary Payton, too many others to think about or name.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is all on the simple fact

that you believe Canzano

Draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Jun 7, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it...

KP said recently in an interview that LMA isn’t going anywhere. That is an intriguing idea though…

by JK47 on Jun 7, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds too much like Wittsit type trade.

by TPforprez on Jun 7, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no way we get rid of lma

by elconquistador on Jun 8, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So...

Basically we become the Portland Spurs and they become the San Antonio Trail Blazers?

"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez

by TheGreatMon on Jun 8, 2009 12:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No way!

Maybe if San Antonio throws in Bonner I might reconsider.

by Escrote on Jun 8, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate the ambition...

But as many others have said, this trade seems premature, and possibly to our detriment.

We’d almost certainly HAVE TO gut our roster to make this happen, and that would be too big a price to pay.

It would also be taking a step back in terms of managerial philosphy. The new plan seems to be developing through the draft, with specialists traded in and out as needed—this would trade away a good portion of all that drafting and development.

San Antonio is simply not going to trade away Duncan, or if so, certainly not now. Trading Parker wouldn’t make too many fans happy either. I know it’s a business, but by that same logic, in a business sense you’d be saying, “We’re going to forego a chance to win it all again now, for more chances later.” A franchise and fans used to losing might accept that business decision, a franchise and fan base used to winning it all every other year might find that harder to swallow; especially given they’d be taking on a lot of ‘unproven commodities’, (at least in the fan’s eyes—we’d know what they’d be getting), in exchange for two proven winners.

All that being said, it wouldn’t suprise me one bit if this trade was talked about by KP. But for me, hopefully it was early talk and not taken seriously.

by Heizer on Jun 8, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No thanks.

I love Duncan and really like Parker. In fact TP might be a perfect fit here. But why mix and match parts trying to make a “better” team when the one we already have is looking pretty darn good and is young and bound to improve with experience?

Besides, I don’t see Duncan wanting to leave San Antonio. He’s put down some pretty deep roots. The Spurs are the sort of organization that would be unlikely to trade their star if he was against it.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 8, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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