I don't see a Trade Drawer for this
As we vacillate between current, future and potential point guards, I'm caught between wanting to add veteran perspective (after all, we only have two players who have even played on another team), and someone who will be around for more than a couple years. You sign a Jason Kidd, but that only solves your problem for a couple years. You target a Ricky Rubio, but he's much less ready to contribute, doesn't have NBA experience and lacks maturity (plus, will we be able to convince him to come over?). You work out a lopsided deal for Hinrich, but there are legitimate arguments that he isn't a clear upgrade over Blake.
I'm in the camp that believes we shouldn't target a SF this summer unless it is an All-Star. We have too much confusion and not enough minutes at that position already. Therefore, I want to explore options at point guard. If I knew the details and fine print would work out, I think my best case scenario would be Ricky Rubio. He seems to be available, and you have to believe that with Rudy here, KP could charm him into coming. And so, here is my potential trade:
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So here's my thinking on why each team does the deal.
Why Minnesota does it:
Projected Starting Lineup:
Kaman
Jefferson
Brewer/Gomes
Bayless
Flynn
They recently traded away their backcourt to Washington and then double filled only PG through the draft. They could use some players at 2 guard who can score. I believe Bayless could be that player and Mardy Collins would provide a little depth. I've also heard that they'd like a legitimate center so that Jefferson can move to his natural position at PF (where they are overloaded). By trading Craig Smith and Mark Madsen, they are alleviating some of the bottleneck at the 4 position, while adding talent in Chris Kaman. Turning Brian Cardinal's painful contract into Kaman's less painful contract has to be appealing as well. Essentially, they are trading Rubio for Kaman and Bayless, and unloading Brian Cardinal's contract as well.
Why Minnesota doesn't do it:
While this fills out their positions well (except maybe SF), their backcourt is small (Jonny Flynn @ 6'0, Bayless @ 6'3). Additionally, this trade doesn't reconcile Kevin Love and Al Jefferson playing the same position. In fact, it probably exacerbates it unless Kaman spends his usual time injured.
Why LA does it:
Projected Starting Lineup:
Camby
Randolph/Griffin
Outlaw/Thornton
Gordon
Davis
Why LA doesn’t do it:
The Clips have many lineup/playing time minutes in the coming year. This trade doesn't solve all those issues very well. How will they find time for Z-Black Hole and Griffin? Can Eric Gordon get enough shots to be valuable with those two power forwards and Baron Davis? Who is the alpha dog? Who should it be? Can any of them stay healthy? LA may not see this trade as poviding enough in return for Kaman, but I would argue that they don't have room for much else anyway. Furthermore, moves and acquisitions that leave you scratching your head are right in their wheelhouse.
Why Portland does it:
Projected Starting Lineup:
Oden/Przybilla
Aldridge
Webster
Roy
RubioWe get a true point guard with size that would hopefully be around for a few championship runs. We alleviate our bottleneck at SF, while adding a solid backup PF in Craig Smith. We have been stockpiling international prospects so long, the list is getting overwhelming. Maybe it's time to cash in on a few.
Why Portland doesn’t do it:
As mentioned at the top, we aren't adding the veteran experience Nate so covets. Furthermore, it's possible that we'd have to give up more than Bayless, Outlaw, and some prospects to do it. If Rudy had to be included, would Rubio want to play here? What if we had to give up Joel? Would that be worth it? Perhaps not.
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no thanks...
so basically, we trade a PG prospect, two PF prospects and a legitimate scoring threat at SF for a better PG Prospect and a mediocre PF who doesn’t add size, toughness or rebounding? I like Rubio as much as the next guy, but we need a veteran PG who helps us win now, while being a mentor for Bayless. My two frontrunners are Jason Kidd and Kirk Hinrich,
by #7TheNatural on Jun 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ditto on that
Giving up way to much for?
by Cory2669 on Jun 30, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Rubio is a prospect
but he’s arguably more proven at this point than Bayless.
I’ve always kind of liked Craig Smith. Realistically we need someone who would be a backup for Aldridge, not a Jermaine O’neal. At this point both Pendergraph and Cunningham are completely unproven. It was mentioned recently how much of a gap there is between Frye (and other proven NBA backups), and the prospects in this draft especially.
I agree that Kidd helps us more now. But is that what we want? Are we one piece away at this point?
Theoretically we could still sign Kidd.
by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it happening
We aren’t gonna get Rubio for Bayless, Trout and Filler. Minny gets decent value, but the Clippers just get leftovers.
by ninjasocks on Jun 30, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They get out of Kaman's contract at the end of next season
through Cardinal’s deal. That is appealing these days.
by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fyi it is sorta trade open season, so you should be able to post trades without any drawer
(at least it has been the order of the past couple of months)
I kinda like the whole deal because it switches Bayless for Rubio. Bayless may be a star, but I prefer a defense first point guard.
I don’t like the deal because we really only have two SFs right now and we are giving away the one that scores tones of points for us. Outlaw is also one of the few guys on our team you can give a different look against other team’s defenses.
I quite like being able to pull this lineup out as needed:
Sergio
Rudy
Roy
Outlaw
LMA
Oh! I can’t?
I guess a smalls lineup of like this would still remain and it would have amazing future potential.
Rubio
Rudy
Roy
Batum
LMA
That would be fun to watch, and it would shred most defenses.
(for the record this is just a countering move for when the Blazers find a use in going small, I’d still want Oden or Przy on the floor as the standard.
by staylost on Jun 30, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we could pull this off, we'd be crazy not to.
I doubt the other teams do it, though.
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Jun 30, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The first trade after the Clippers select Blake Griffin
is for 5 power forwards. Classic!
They wouldn’t need to be included in a trade.
We have the parts to get Rubio and Smith (love em both) without needing a 3rd parties leftovers.
Bayless, Rudy, Przybilla, Outlaw, Webster all represent major needs for the T’Wolevs. There are plenty combos of those players that would work in a deal for Rubio.
by as11osu on Jun 30, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I don’t like any move where we lose Przybilla without a clear plan to replace him. Greg is still a ways off from consistently playing high minutes, and we don’t have a great answer for a 3rd center…especially now that Frye is gone.
Further, I don’t think Webster could be a key piece in any trade because he hasn’t played in a year.
As I mentioned in my post, I don’t know how much Rubio likes Portland if we trade Rudy, so in my mind that just leaves Bayless and Outlaw.
As for the Clippers and PFs, I don’t think that is quite the reality. First, Freeland is 6’11" (F/C), and isn’t likely to affect this year (or probably next year’s) rotations anyway, so he shouldn’t count (If you think we should count him, than you’d have to make the same argument for how many point guard and small forward prospects we have).
Cardinal is an expiring contract (which is why they want him) who probably wouldn’t get any significant minutes, and Pendergraph is a unproven rookie. If you like, swap him for Cunningham (who may be more of a 3 than a 4), or Madsen for Corey Brewer and the deal works as well.
by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one in Minnesota
is in favor of doing that deal. They value Rubio too highly. They might change their mind by the trade deadline in early 2010. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
But I was trying to solve the needs of the other teams as well, and I think Minnesota would want a center. Since I’m not willing to give up either of ours, I had to add a third team. If Minnesota liked the deal you present, I’d be happy with it.
by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio and Cardinal for Bayless and Outlaw
yeah, maybe. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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