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I don't see a Trade Drawer for this


As we vacillate between current, future and potential point guards, I'm caught between wanting to add veteran perspective (after all, we only have two players who have even played on another team), and someone who will be around for more than a couple years.  You sign a Jason Kidd, but that only solves your problem for a couple years.  You target a Ricky Rubio, but he's much less ready to contribute, doesn't have NBA experience and lacks maturity (plus, will we be able to convince him to come over?).  You work out a lopsided deal for Hinrich, but there are legitimate arguments that he isn't a clear upgrade over Blake.  

I'm in the camp that believes we shouldn't target a SF this summer unless it is an All-Star.  We have too much confusion and not enough minutes at that position already.  Therefore, I want to explore options at point guard.  If I knew the details and fine print would work out, I think my best case scenario would be Ricky Rubio.  He seems to be available, and you have to believe that with Rudy here, KP could charm him into coming.  And so, here is my potential trade:

Star-divide

 

Portland Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -7.0 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and -1.4 apg.

Incoming Players
Ricky Rubio
6-4 PG from Spain (Foreign)
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Craig Smith
6-7 PF from Boston College
10.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 19.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Joel Freeland
0-0 from 
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Jeff Pendergraph
6-10 from Arizona State
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Jerryd Bayless
6-3 PG from Arizona
4.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.5 apg in 12.5 minutes
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
12.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 27.7 minutes
  Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +5.1 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

Incoming Players
Jerryd Bayless
6-3 PG from Arizona
4.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.5 apg in 12.5 minutes
Mardy Collins
6-6 SG from Temple
2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 8.3 minutes
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
12.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
3.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.2 apg in 14.2 minutes
Mark Madsen
6-9 PF from Stanford
0.3 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.1 minutes
Ricky Rubio
6-4 PG from Spain (Foreign)
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Craig Smith
6-7 PF from Boston College
10.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 19.7 minutes
  L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +1.9 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Incoming Players
Joel Freeland
0-0 from 
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Jeff Pendergraph
6-10 from Arizona State
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
12.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 27.7 minutes
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
3.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.2 apg in 14.2 minutes
Mark Madsen
6-9 PF from Stanford
0.3 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Mardy Collins
6-6 SG from Temple
2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 8.3 minutes
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
12.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.7 minutes
 

 

Link to the RealGM page

So here's my thinking on why each team does the deal.  

Why Minnesota does it:

Projected Starting Lineup:

Kaman

Jefferson

Brewer/Gomes

Bayless

Flynn

They recently traded away their backcourt to Washington and then double filled only PG through the draft. They could use some players at 2 guard who can score.  I believe Bayless could be that player and Mardy Collins would provide a little depth.  I've also heard that they'd like a legitimate center so that Jefferson can move to his natural position at PF (where they are overloaded).  By trading Craig Smith and Mark Madsen, they are alleviating some of the bottleneck at the 4 position, while adding talent in Chris Kaman.  Turning Brian Cardinal's painful contract into Kaman's less painful contract has to be appealing as well. Essentially, they are trading Rubio for Kaman and Bayless, and unloading Brian Cardinal's contract as well.  

 

Why Minnesota doesn't do it:

While this fills out their positions well (except maybe SF), their backcourt is small (Jonny Flynn @ 6'0, Bayless @ 6'3).  Additionally, this trade doesn't reconcile Kevin Love and Al Jefferson playing the same position.  In fact, it probably exacerbates it unless Kaman spends his usual time injured.  

 

Why LA does it:

Projected Starting Lineup:

Camby

Randolph/Griffin

Outlaw/Thornton

Gordon

Davis 

The Clippers are one of few teams in the league with not enough minutes for their centers.  They probably have to decide between Kaman and Camby, and it sounds like they'd rather stick with Camby.  What they need position wise is a SF, and to that end enter Travis Outlaw.  Maybe not ideal, but they also turn Kaman's long term contract into Brian Cardinal's expiring contract (09-10).  They also get some prospects out of the deal, although the Clippers haven't been known to be that forward thinking.

 

Why LA doesn’t do it:

The Clips have many lineup/playing time minutes in the coming year.  This trade doesn't solve all those issues very well.  How will they find time for Z-Black Hole and Griffin?  Can Eric Gordon get enough shots to be valuable with those two power forwards and Baron Davis?  Who is the alpha dog?  Who should it be?  Can any of them stay healthy?  LA may not see this trade as poviding enough in return for Kaman, but I would argue that they don't have room for much else anyway.  Furthermore, moves and acquisitions that leave you scratching your head are right in their wheelhouse.  

  

Why Portland does it:

Projected Starting Lineup:

Oden/Przybilla

Aldridge

Webster

Roy

Rubio 

We get a true point guard with size that would hopefully be around for a few championship runs.  We alleviate our bottleneck at SF, while adding a solid backup PF in Craig Smith.  We have been stockpiling international prospects so long, the list is getting overwhelming.  Maybe it's time to cash in on a few.  

 

Why Portland doesn’t do it:

As mentioned at the top, we aren't adding the veteran experience Nate so covets.  Furthermore, it's possible that we'd have to give up more than Bayless, Outlaw, and some prospects to do it.  If Rudy had to be included, would Rubio want to play here?  What if we had to give up Joel?  Would that be worth it?  Perhaps not.


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so basically, we trade a PG prospect, two PF prospects and a legitimate scoring threat at SF for a better PG Prospect and a mediocre PF who doesn’t add size, toughness or rebounding? I like Rubio as much as the next guy, but we need a veteran PG who helps us win now, while being a mentor for Bayless. My two frontrunners are Jason Kidd and Kirk Hinrich,

by #7TheNatural on Jun 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Ditto on that

Giving up way to much for?

by Cory2669 on Jun 30, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Rubio is a prospect

but he’s arguably more proven at this point than Bayless.

I’ve always kind of liked Craig Smith. Realistically we need someone who would be a backup for Aldridge, not a Jermaine O’neal. At this point both Pendergraph and Cunningham are completely unproven. It was mentioned recently how much of a gap there is between Frye (and other proven NBA backups), and the prospects in this draft especially.

I agree that Kidd helps us more now. But is that what we want? Are we one piece away at this point?

Theoretically we could still sign Kidd.

by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it happening

We aren’t gonna get Rubio for Bayless, Trout and Filler. Minny gets decent value, but the Clippers just get leftovers.

by ninjasocks on Jun 30, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They get out of Kaman's contract at the end of next season

through Cardinal’s deal. That is appealing these days.

by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fyi it is sorta trade open season, so you should be able to post trades without any drawer

(at least it has been the order of the past couple of months)

I kinda like the whole deal because it switches Bayless for Rubio. Bayless may be a star, but I prefer a defense first point guard.

I don’t like the deal because we really only have two SFs right now and we are giving away the one that scores tones of points for us. Outlaw is also one of the few guys on our team you can give a different look against other team’s defenses.

I quite like being able to pull this lineup out as needed:

Sergio
Rudy
Roy
Outlaw
LMA

Oh! I can’t?

I guess a smalls lineup of like this would still remain and it would have amazing future potential.

Rubio
Rudy
Roy
Batum
LMA

That would be fun to watch, and it would shred most defenses.
(for the record this is just a countering move for when the Blazers find a use in going small, I’d still want Oden or Przy on the floor as the standard.

by staylost on Jun 30, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The first trade after the Clippers select Blake Griffin

is for 5 power forwards. Classic!

They wouldn’t need to be included in a trade.

We have the parts to get Rubio and Smith (love em both) without needing a 3rd parties leftovers.

Bayless, Rudy, Przybilla, Outlaw, Webster all represent major needs for the T’Wolevs. There are plenty combos of those players that would work in a deal for Rubio.

by as11osu on Jun 30, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

I don’t like any move where we lose Przybilla without a clear plan to replace him. Greg is still a ways off from consistently playing high minutes, and we don’t have a great answer for a 3rd center…especially now that Frye is gone.

Further, I don’t think Webster could be a key piece in any trade because he hasn’t played in a year.

As I mentioned in my post, I don’t know how much Rubio likes Portland if we trade Rudy, so in my mind that just leaves Bayless and Outlaw.

As for the Clippers and PFs, I don’t think that is quite the reality. First, Freeland is 6’11" (F/C), and isn’t likely to affect this year (or probably next year’s) rotations anyway, so he shouldn’t count (If you think we should count him, than you’d have to make the same argument for how many point guard and small forward prospects we have).

Cardinal is an expiring contract (which is why they want him) who probably wouldn’t get any significant minutes, and Pendergraph is a unproven rookie. If you like, swap him for Cunningham (who may be more of a 3 than a 4), or Madsen for Corey Brewer and the deal works as well.

by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one in Minnesota

is in favor of doing that deal. They value Rubio too highly. They might change their mind by the trade deadline in early 2010. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it

But I was trying to solve the needs of the other teams as well, and I think Minnesota would want a center. Since I’m not willing to give up either of ours, I had to add a third team. If Minnesota liked the deal you present, I’d be happy with it.

by MavetheGreat on Jun 30, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio and Cardinal for Bayless and Outlaw

yeah, maybe. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jul 2, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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