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Extinction files: the dynamic duo


Since the San Antonio Spurs made the phrase "Big 3" part of the NBA lexicon, front office philosophy has seemed to overtly shift towards constructing NBA teams centered around 3 all-star level players and surrounding them with role players. We saw this occur most recently with Boston and it's "Big 3", now even our own Portland Trail Blazers have started marketing its own Big 3. I realize that there have already been a number of columns and articles devoted to this shift in philosophy over the past 2-3 years, and that is not the focus of this post. Rather, I would like to take a look back at examples of the old guard, the dynamic duo which has gone the way of the dodo  as far as the NBA is concerned. After the jump is a list of the most prolific duos to play in the NBA. A caveat, my list of duos is set within the context of the last 20 years. I realize that there were amazing duos in the 70's and 80's, but those decades were before my time.

Star-divide

1. Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen: Scottie was actually what made me think about this issue, when I recalled how blazer fans were so excited when we acquired him in that blockbuster trade that sent like 6 blazers to get him. But really, 6 championships and a lasting legacy is no small feat, and although MJ gets the lion's share of the credit for the Bulls sucess (deservedly so), Pippen has become so ingrained in even the average NBA fan's subconsciousness that his name has become synonymous with the concept of the ultimate complementary star.d Jordan/Pippen was a prolific duo, and in my opinion it was the greatest pairing in NBA history, which is why it is at the top of this list.

2. Kobe/Shaq: Ehh. Not much to say here. As a blazer fan they earn my eternal hate for drumming us out of the playoffs, so that puts them up on this list. Not to mention Shaq was the most dominant center in his era and Kobe was, (and still is) a prolific scorer, and they won 3 championships together. If their relationship hadn't fallen apart, they might have won enough additional championships to supplant Jordan/Pippen as the greatest duo in NBA history. Wow that makes me feel nauseous.

3. Stockton/Malone: These two turned the pick and roll into an art form, and Stockton is currently the 2nd best point guard of all time. Even as a division rival, they earned my rooting allegiance when playing the bulls, if only because they had so much heart. Unfortunately they fell short and neither player got the championship ring they deserved, but they are still 3rd in my list. I still remember the taunt "Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays!"

4. Drexler/Olajuwon: Even though they only played one season together in the NBA, they did win an NBA championship. Also furthering their cause is the fact that they were college teammates at University of Houston. Drexler/Olajuwon was amazing. Drexler/Olajuwon also hurts, as any blazer fan can attest to.

5. GP/Kemp: (yes this one's for you, AK). The Glove was one of the best defensive pg's of all time, and even though his face scares the crap out of people, the dude was a baller. And Shawn Kemp? Well he was just an athletic phenomenon. The sonics were somewhat overshadowed by the Jazz in the West, and in their only finals appearance in the 90's this dynamic duo was defeated by who else but Jordan/Pippen. However, they put up a fight till the bitter end, and ended up putting a scare into the Bulls when they managed to force game 6, but the Bulls ended up being too good in the end. The Glove eventually got his ring as a benchwarming scrub with Wade and Shaq's Heat, and the Blazers got the 'spoiled' leftovers of this duo: fat Shawn Kemp.

Well that is my top five dynamic duo's in the past 20 years. With that said, who's in your favorite five?

Poll
Most prolific duo of all time?
Jordan/Pippen
92 votes
Kobe/Shaq
8 votes
Stockton/Malone
12 votes
Drexler/Olajuwon
8 votes
Glove/Kemp
6 votes
Other (please specify below)
7 votes

133 votes | Poll has closed

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Duos do still exist though, on good teams

Kobe/Gasol is an obvious duo. Odom is good support, but I wouldn’t say he is good enough to be considered part of a trio.

Billups/Carmelo are a duo also. They surrounded themselves with a lot of decent roleplayers, but Nene seems a bit too far back to be considered part of a trio.

Lebron/???? Okay, this is an uno. Lebron needs another member to make this a possible scary duo. (Mo Williams is not a top 30 NBA player.)

Dwight/Turk/Lewis- This one is a good trio. Dwight is the obvious leader, but so was Duncan. Turk/Lewis are the obvious 2-3 guys just like Parker and Manu. What’s scary is that this team actually becomes a 4some if Jameer gets back to full form.

Other playoff/good teams
Rockets (sans T-Mac)- Yao/Artest could be considered a duo I guess, although they don’t feel like a true duo to me.

Hornets- CP3/West- This is a pretty blatant duo, with Chandler being the Rodman of the group.

Portland- For now we are a duo of LMA/Roy. Hopefully we become a trio or a 4some in the next couple of years.

Suns- Trio of Shaq/Nash/Amare when all were healthy

Mavericks- Trio of Dirk/Kidd/Terry? Howard doesn’t like me, but he doesn’t feel like a guy who is good enough to be part of the duo/trio. As with the other trios, Dirk is the clear leader.

Jazz- This team is a flipping mess. Used to be a duo of Deron/Boozer, but now it’s too hard to tell.

You get the idea, basically, duos seem to still outnumber trios, but the trios are having some nice success.

by Zaig on Jun 3, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, you're right that there are a lot of "duos" even now

my point was that the duo’s I mentioned were so good that they often won championships with nothing but role players around them. None of the duos you mention have been to the finals outside of Kobe/Gasol, and even the Lakers feel that they need another guy to step up consistently to win the title. This post was really a tribute to how great these guys were in being able to produce as they did without a real 3rd star. obviously Phil Jackson would have loved to have had a 3rd star to put alongside Jordan and Pippen, but the point was that they won 6 championships in spite of not being a big 3, and to me it seems like the 90’s and early 2000’s had a lot of upper end teams that made it to the finals and won rings with just 2 stars. The decade itself was kind of unique, as the 80’s teams (Lakers/Celtics) also had prominent trios as opposed to duos. I was somewhat facetious in calling the concept of the duo “extinct”, but that was just to give it a flashy name, which in retrospect seems to be a fail.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.

by premthegrem on Jun 3, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This may be pesimistic but...

The Pippen/Jordan Bulls actually had three stars the majority of there run. There 3rd star was just a perfect fit for the team and often times got overlooked. (check my facts but..) If i remember correctly there first 2, possabley 3 titles had Horace Grant at the PF. While some will argue he was not a “star” no one can argue he was the perfect fir for those teams, a great rebounding, defensive power forward. Then for there last few titles they upgraded to Dennis Rodman, with Jordan leading the locker room that nut job put up the best years of his career. D-POY, rebounding title after rebounding title. With Jordan’s all around crazy awsome game, Pippens less awsome but still freakin awsome all around game combined with either Ho Grant or Rodman they were truely a “big Three.” Grant and Rodman never really got there due IMHO. I think Premthegrem’s post is completely dead on but i just wanted to point out that in my opinion Jordan/Pippen would not be the best Duo of all time were it not for Ho Grant and Dennis Rodman….they were much more the “role” players. But overall great post and i entirely agree.

by blazerbeliever97504 on Jun 3, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a side note

The spurs weren’t the origin of the big three. I believe that came from Red’s Celtics. I’d have to double check my book sat home.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, you're right

mchale, parish, bird were the original big 3

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.

by premthegrem on Jun 3, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, not Red's celtics, but the 80's celtics

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.

by premthegrem on Jun 3, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worthy/Kareem/Magic also

Although you could argue that was Kareem/Magic and that Worthy was the third man. You could also argue the same about McHale if you wanted.

by Zaig on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

see my post to your first comment

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.

by premthegrem on Jun 3, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The three Lakers may have been a good trio

But the term Big 3 was definately what they called the celtic 3

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 3, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is any one other than

Jordan/Pippen getting votes in that poll? Also, Kareem/Magic & Bird/McHale should be on that list.

by DrivetheLane on Jun 3, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh past 20 years...

i should learn to read better. never mind what i’m typing about.

by DrivetheLane on Jun 3, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

see above, lakers/celtics

were trios, not duos. worthy and parrish, respectively.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.

by premthegrem on Jun 3, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prolific: producing in large quantities or with great frequency

I was going with total wins here obviously, in which case Stockon/Malone win because Jordan had ADD and wouldn’t stick around for more than 3 titles at a time!

Also, I think Jordan and Pippen would have done equally well on their own. Stockton and Malone were perfect compliments to one another.

by Zaig on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ehh, There is never really true "duos"

1. Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen: Had Rodman, Harper, Kerr.

2. Kobe/Shaq: Fisher, Horry, Fox

3. Stockton/Malone: Thurl Bailey & Darrell Griffith. Also, Jeff Malone & Jeff Hornacek.

4. Drexler/Olajuwon: Kenny “The Jet” Smith & Robert Horry was having the best years of his career.

5. GP/Kemp: Had Detlef Scrempf & Nate McMillan

Offseason:
PG Options:(T)Mike Conley Jr/(FA)Jason Kidd - (D)Rodrigue Beaubois/Toney Douglas
SG Options: (DDT)Terrence Williams
SF Options:(FA)Ron Artest/(T)Tayshaun Prince
PF Options:(DDT)DaJuan Blair/(T)Reggie Evans - (D)Taj Gibson, (D)Kevin Seraphin

by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 3, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is true

Blazers don’t have a “Big 3”, really. They have a 5 man team (and occasionally play 6 players at once). But that doesn’t mean we don’t market Roy/Aldridge/Oden as a “Big 3”. Why is a gigantic poster of just their faces on a billboard adjacent to the Rose Quarter?

The dynamic duos obviously didn’t play in a vacuum by themselves, but required 3 other players on the floor. But my point is that they were the stars, the ONLY stars, of their respective teams at that time. Kerr, Harper and even Rodman were never marketed as stars for the Bulls. It was always Jordan/Pippen. That is the perspective from which I am viewing this debate, and within this framework I think it is a fair debate to have. If you water it down by saying there aren’t any true duos, basketball is a team game, blah blah blah…then there is nothing I can do.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.

by premthegrem on Jun 3, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rodman should be considered a big 3

after winning the two championships in Detroit & then winning more in Chicago. One of the best rebounders of all time.

Offseason:
PG Options:(T)Mike Conley Jr/(FA)Jason Kidd - (D)Rodrigue Beaubois/Toney Douglas
SG Options: (DDT)Terrence Williams
SF Options:(FA)Ron Artest/(T)Tayshaun Prince
PF Options:(DDT)DaJuan Blair/(T)Reggie Evans/(T)Carl Landry - (D)Taj Gibson, (D)Damion James, (D)Kevin Seraphin

by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 3, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to individual talents uniting

No-one compares to Jordan and Pippen. Sure they had their supporting cast, but talent wise none of them were even close. Easily number 1.

by calebEOC on Jun 3, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Superman, Batman and Rodman

they were a trio, Rodman deserves that talent wise not personality wise

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 3, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Drexler and Hakeem played 3 1/2 seasons together

Drexler was traded to Houston midway through the 94-95 season, and the Rockets won the title.
After that, they played together until Drexler retired in 1998.
And even then, I think Houston pioneered the concept of the “Big 3” when they traded half their team for Charles Barkley. WIth Chuck, Clyde, and Hakeem, the Rockets made it to the Western Conference Finals but just couldn’t get past the Jazz.

The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely

by SandbergOnSports on Jun 4, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Stockton and Malone did more with less.

That’s why I voted them number 1. I think you could have tossed you, me, and Jeff Hornicek on the floor with these two and had a winning season.

by TPforprez on Jun 4, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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