Still hoping for Harris...

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:01 PM PDT Comment 58 comments

The latest from HoopsWorld speculates the Nets could be looking to shed even more long term salary, possibly even including Devin Harris and his 4 years, $35 million deal

if they moved Harris, but considering all their issues it might sense if they could get an ending contract and a young point guard (meaning someone on a rookie scale contract).

The same post intimated that the Nets would love to get ride of Bobby Simmons' $10.6 million dollar expiring deal as well, preferably for nothing in return. Maybe there is some way we can make a pitch for Harris, either by agreeing to take Simmons too, or just as a straight up acquisition. Any thoughts?

If they truly would move Harris for a young PG and an ending contract, how about Bayless (2.1 million), and Outlaw (3.6 million). Throw in our 2010 1st rounder, and any of our Euros, maybe some cash too. That would still be a steal. I'd even throw in Rudy (1.1 million) if it was absolutely required.

Any ideas on how to make this work?

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Sounds like a great idea!!!

"Grayg"
-Nate

by OSUBlazerfan on Jun 29, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

um...

you included Blake in the trade to get Harris, but you also have him backing up Harris on your depth chart.

If we make a trade for Harris, we would need to keep either Blake or Bayless. Since they want a young pg, Bayless would need to be included, and Blake’s salary means he would need to be included as well. So this trade takes the Blazers from being strong at PG to laking depth. Not a trade killer, but what would you do to get a back up PG for Harris?

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by usmcr3049 on Jun 29, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I didn't look until now

But you used Simmions 08/09 salary his 09-10 salary is $11,242,667, which adds another $500k or so to the deal that would need to be absorbed, meaning the Blazers would have to clear just over $8.6million in cap space.

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by usmcr3049 on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

bah

my bad. I really breezed through the numbers/depth chart in a quick hurry, as my true intention here was to spur on conversations about how to structure a deal for Harris given the rumors going around. I wasn’t really trying to fashion a perfect deal that I liked, I was hoping others might do that bit of work.

I really want Harris, and since his potentially being available as been rumored almost daily for the past week or so, it seems feasible that it is true. Let’s figure out a way to get it done.

Taking on Simmon’s contract is what makes the numbers challenging. Maybe we can include a S&T Frye on the cheap or something. But taking him out of the equation, I find a much more palatable deal of Bayless and Outlaw for Harris. Throw in Claver, throw in next year’s 1st rounder. Throw in cash. Throw in the kitchen sink. This would be a huge homerun.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another problem is you have Martell playing.

I’d be glad if he could, but we can hardly trade away half of our team and expect him to hobble the difference.

This is how I see the depth chart:

Harris/Mills
Roy
Batum/Cunningham or Claver???
LMA/Pendergraph
Przy/Oden

Sure, it could look better if Blake gets cut and resigns with us, AND Webster heals and is good enough to play backup for two positions.

But this seems kinda a blind trust that every thing will turn out perfectly.

by staylost on Jun 29, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah, agreed on there

as noted above, pullng back Simmon’s salary is the realy challenge. If we take him out of the deal, we find options that are a LOT more doable and don’t leave us as thin on the 2nd unit as Manute Bol.

I’ve edited my original post more to my original intent, which was to spur discussion, and not to make a specific proposal.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, sorry for being so negative. I only read your response to The Marine (John Cena is) above after I posted.

What I am looking for is an about 8 player core with something like three reasonable backups to keep off wear during the season to prevent injury.

I’d be happy to have Harris. Really happy. But I have trouble dropping Rudy. I see our eight as:

PG?
Roy/Rudy
Batum
Lamarcus/Outlaw
Oden/Przy

So finding the right PG is important, but not if it just rearranges where the missing piece is. And to me starters are not more important than the 6th and 7th men. Players like Outlaw thrive off the bench and can be just as important as a more roleplayer type starter.

by staylost on Jun 29, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

pullng back Simmon’s salary is the realy challenge

But Simmon’s contract could an opportunity because it expires next summer

So if Simmons was added in this deal, we could be talking about dealing a “BSEC” next spring?

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we can get Harris and just have to eat Simmons' contract

We should do it.

I’d rather not lose Rudy, and I’d hope for a clear backup for Harris, but if we got him we’d have our starting PG for the duration of our championship run who can play elite defense and create his own offense. And, is experienced playing off the ball, both with the Mavs and with Vince Carter.

I would lovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelove Devin Harris on the Blazers. I can’t think it is likely, but if the Nets want to cut money that much, I would swallow every bad contract they got.

Maybe instead of Blake, we can sign and trade Channing Frye to a similar deal? Or can we not do that.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah, was thinking that too

I am pretty sure even if we renounce Frye’s Bird rights, we can still sign and trade him (using capspace)

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But by using cap space...

…we can’t absorb as much salary (capspace – whatever Frye gets signed for), so the Nets wouldn’t be dumping as much salary.

Hmmm…

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

its still a dump

Simmons: 11.2
Harris: 8.4

Bayless: 2.1
Outlaw: 3.6 (ending)
Frye: 3.5 (just throwing a number out there)
Blake: 4.0 (ending)

That’s like $7 million in savings this year, and after this year only Bayless (cheap) and Frye (let’s say 2 more years, totalling 7-8 million) are left. That cuts their 2010-11, 11-12, and 12-13 cap numbers down by 3-4 million per year.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if they really wanted to make it a dump

then they could make only the 1st year of Frye’s contract guarenteed, meaning they can cut him after this year and save his salary next year as well.

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by usmcr3049 on Jun 29, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

but would signing and trading Frye to New Jersey take away from our 9.1 million in cap space?

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if we are taking back Simmons

then yes, we are going to lose most of our space (though we will not likely have 9.1 to start with anyway, more like 8.1)

if we don’t include Simmons, then we can work a deal that still leaves us with 4-5 million for another player

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we do a sign and trade

for anyone it will take whatever dollar amount we sign that player for off our cap space.

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by usmcr3049 on Jun 29, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was my question.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we’d have 9.1 if we renounced all exceptions and traded all Euros.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

right

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/25/925796/blazers-summer-2009-cap-space

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if we renounced

everything we could renounce, we would have $47,321,422 in salary cap salaries, but that is only 10 players on the roster, so there would be 2 “ghost” players added to the salary cap, causing it to go up slightly, but not sure how much.

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by usmcr3049 on Jun 29, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure that it’s accounted for in that figure.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep, in mine it is

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Understanding we could be shy at positions for our 2nd string, I say who cares get it done!

The Celtics traded away their team basically to get their hands on Ray Ray and KG. They were able to piece a supporting cast together. If you have the pieces FA’s will come, and for less considering the opportunity to win a championship.

Yes I said championship if KP makes this deal happen we will be in immediate contention. Not above the other teams, but the window will have been opened like a chair got thrown through it. Something like this has to be the option. KP had to have something scripted to trade Sergio for cap space. He has something in place, it is just a matter of waiting to see what it is, and hoping that no other team throws a wrench in it.

A 3 way trade may be neccessary to pull the trade off.

by Titlein2011 on Jun 29, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not saying it wouldn't satisfy anyone else.

But if we got a championship Celtic style I would be embarrassed.

by staylost on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get it done.

exceed the cap if need be to fill out the roster….

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 30, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where is Storyteller when you need him?

by Titlein2011 on Jun 29, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

here's his data

http://storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm

find a deal that makes the numbers work. for reference, here is my recent post that illustrates how much cap space we can clear in a variety of scenarios:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/25/925796/blazers-summer-2009-cap-space

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

BSEC

That’s the only reason acquring Simmons makes sense in this deal. It would give KP another “chip” to deal to FA-hungry teams next spring

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've been thinking this for a while and here is my crazy prediction for the off season

I think sending out Outlaw, Bayless, and Rudy for Harris and someone like Najera would be a great deal for both teams.
NJ gets some cheap young talent and get out from underneath some long term contracts.

Add this to the Hedo rumors, and Portland could be a real scary team. I believe that the only reason that the Hedo rumors make sense is if Portland is willing to trade either Batum or Rudy along with Outlaw for a point (I don’t believe that Martell is tradable because of the amount of years left on his deal and his injury.) to make minutes at the SF available.

I also heard on Brian Berger’s radio show yesterday that he believes that Bruce Bowen when bought out will not return to the Spurs because he and Pop haven’t been seeing eye to eye. Bowen could be added at the midlevel exception and with his connection to KP and Monty Williams Portland could be a great destination for him as the backup to Roy and maybe a in as a future assistant coach (which is something I’ve heard he is interested in the future.)

My Prediction:
PG Harris, Blake, Maybe Mills or PK
SG Roy, Bowen/Webster
SF Turkoglu, Batum/Webster
PF LMA, Najera/Pendegraph/Cunningham maybe Freeland
C Oden, Przybilla

In KP we trust

C*mcast sucks!

by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 29, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If we get Harris

It would likely be due to our ability to eat a bad contract with our cap space, and thus we wouldn’t likely have cap space to sign someone like Turkoglu.

Just pointin’ it out! Don’t mind me.

Morty

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, you know how to convert me.

Sign me up for Harris quickly!

by staylost on Jun 29, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand your point

And you may be right.
My thought is that Najera’s contract because of the length isn’t a spectacular one. I also think that if NJ is looking for a young core as I’ve heard reported, Rudy, Outlaw, and Bayless fit that bill for very manageable contracts.

The reason this has been my thought is because I have been trying to make sense of the Hedo rumors and I have a deep deep deep love for Harris. As I stated earlier I believe the only reason we would sign Hedo is if we trade Rudy or Batum along with Outlaw. And Harris is one of the only players in the league I’d be willing to part with one of them for.

Maybe I overvalue Rudy and Bayless and maybe I overestimate Outlaws league wide appeal. But I think that the three of them for Harris and Najera would be among the best deals NJ could expect this season.

As for being relevant to this post
I would absolutely take on Simmons if it meant getting Harris. And I understand that would mean no Turkoglu, which is something I’d be fine with. But if we were to get Hedo I believe we would have to trade some SF minutes like Rudy sometimes gets along with Outlaw probably for a PG.

C*mcast sucks!

by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 29, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eduardo's contract is only guaranteed for next season

so NJ shouldn’t be in a hurry to deal him, they can just renouce him next June

Harris, Simmons, Yi Jianlian and Sean Williams are their biggest and/or longest contracts left to shed

and they’ve got a team option on Jianlian and Williams

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm

Start speading the word…BSEC, baby!

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh thank you

I should have checked storytellers page as it has the best info. thanks for the correction I was going off espn trade machine for contracts.

I’d take Yi, and would rather not take Williams because he’s a bad apple

C*mcast sucks!

by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 29, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Morty is right that Hedo likely couldn't fit in as the "other" good asset we could add...

but in an offseason that features a horrible economic situation as well as a plethora of young “ideal” PF-types available at less money than whatever Hedo will be able to get….a David Lee, Paul Millsap, Glen Davis, Jason Maxiell, Charlie Villanueva, or settle for a veteran forward like Antonio McDyess.

If there is any way Portland can do the deal for Devin Harris without giving up Rudy Fernandez though, that is a huge key-factor for me. I mean, if we don’t upgrade the SF-starter since we can’t afford Hedo and really our youngsters Batum and Martell (if healthy) are as god as any young wings in the association… but Rudy gives us wing-depth. I know his true position is SG, but he is 6’5" with a long wing-span and every other position on our roster is loaded with “ideal-sized” players… literally this team is a walking prototype of hoopers…. but Rudy gives our wing position enough depth to deal with injuries. Moving Outlaw AND Rudy and not gaining a wing-type player could spell trouble for the Blazers. Keep Rudy out of that deal. Besides, the Blake contract is non-guaranteed so they could get that much more cap flexibility for thier move to Brooklyn.

Trade: Bayless+Outlaw+Blake+ Future 1st & 2nd picks+ rights to Kopponen & Freeland + cash + available cap space to acquire Devin Harris and whatever other garbage they have to throw away.

PG: Devin Harris, Patty Mills
SG: Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez
SF: Martell Webster, Nic Batum, Victor Claver
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge, Jason Maxiell
FC: Greg Oden, Joel Pryzbilla

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 30, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd love for it to happen

But I just don’t see it..

Proud member of Duck nation!

by skywaker9 on Jun 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

did you see LA getting Pau Gasol for a couple picks, Kwame, and Euro-rights?

yeah, neither did I.

Until it doesn’t happen, there is hope.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're right about that

And NJ is willing to dump salary like crazy (although lord knows why, there is NO way they are getting LBJ because even with him they’re nowhere near championship caliber).

Proud member of Duck nation!

by skywaker9 on Jun 29, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

New Jersey won’t trade Harris for cap relief. They just won’t.

If they do, for some stupid reason, I’ll be incredibly glad that I was wrong.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

First, we’d have to renounce or trade the Euros. That would open up nine or ten million in cap space, I’m guessing. So Simmons + Harris = 19.6 million? Travis (3.6) + Bayless (2.1) + cap space (9.1) is 14.8. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t work, so there would have to be another part of the deal. If we sign and trade Channing, doesn’t that cut into our cap space? I’m not quite sure. He would be the only way to really do the deal.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

also

the nets would probably not take on Channing on anything more than a 1yr deal and I doubt Channing would sign a 1 yr deal at the start of FA.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever

by jonestr on Jun 29, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the no-Simmons option

To Portland (10.029 to 12.750)
Harris (8.4)
NJ choice of Hassell (4.35), Dooling (3.56), Najera (3.0), Boone (2.05), Williams (1.63)

To New Jersey: (total 6.908)
Bayless: 2.14
Outlaw 3.6
Rudy 1.17
picks/Euros/cash

NJ saves 3.12 to 5.84 million this year (subtract that from our cap space), and for the following THREE years, they have Bayless AND Rudy combined for HALF the price of Harris.

Portland lineup:

PG: Harris/Blake
SG: Roy/Martell
SF: Batum/Martell
PF: LMA/Pendergraph
C: Greg/Joel

Plus, we have another 3 to 5 million in cap space to land a backup 4 or another 2/3, then fill in the roster with minimum salary players. We can likely add a decent backup 2 or 3 next summer using the draft or MLE.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Today Ian Thompson was on with Vance and Jaynes (95.5)

And he talked about the Blazers maybe doing a lopsided trade to acquire an expiring contract for 2010

Simmon’s 11 mil contract fits the bill

So, even though the Blazers don’t “need” another SF like Bobby S, they could use his expiring contract next summer to further upgrade the roster, when the FA class will be much more interesting

Devin Harris should be KP’s #1 target

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

he most definately should be

we may not get him, but given all the talk that’s been swirling about Harris, he should be target #1

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

what do you think about the BSEC?

I can see KP wanting to acquire another huge expiring contract, heading into next spring

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I would do it

the problem is getting enough salary to send back to NJ. Harris and BSEC combined is close to $20 million. We need to come up with at least 12 million to sent back.

Pick from:
Blake 4,000,000
Outlaw 3,600,000
Bayless 2,143,080
Rudy 1,165,320
Batum 1,118,760

ALL of those together is barely over 12 million. but do you want to get rid of all 3 young guys? that leaves us really thin at the PG, SG, and SF positions. It’s too much for me.

The only other ways to make it worth are by adding Martell or Joel to the equation. They don’t need Joel – they have a young Lopez at center. They won’t take back Martell since the reasons they are making this deal is to shed long term salary. I think the only way to get BSEC and Harris would probably be to include a third team, who gets Przybilla, with someone else going to NJ.
So, the salaries in play:
Joel: 6,857,725
Outlaw 3,600,000
Bayless 2,143,080
Rudy 1,165,320
TOTAL: 13.766

leaves us with:
Harris/Blake
Roy/Martell/Simmons
Batum/Martell/Simmons
LMA/??pendergraph
Greg/ ??

We would have to find some veteran C/PF to sign for the minimum. that puts are eggs in the Greg basket, and hope he doesn’t get hurt.

As much as I like the BSEC option, I just worry about the lack of depth, thus I think I would push the Harris only option first. If NJ insists on including BSEC, let’s figure a way to make it work that isn’t too painful

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is my proposal in another thread

First of all, a huge Harris-to-Portland supporter here. But I am a little dissapointed at Hoopsworld’s article due to its lack of substantial stuff. But anyway, here is my proposal earlier in another thread :

PORTLAND out:

Outlaw 3,600,000
Bayless 2,143,080
Rudy 1,165,320
Przybilla 6,857,725
24th Claver

PORTLAND in:

Harris 8,400,000
Simmons 11,242,667

needs the cap space of $5,876,542, which we do have.

NJ out:

Harris 8,400,000
Simmons 11,242,667

NJ in:

5th Rubio 0
Bayless 2,143,080
Przybilla 6,857,725
Madsen 2,840,000
Pecherov 1,547,640

they shave $6,254,222 salary immediately.

MIN out:

5th Rubio 0
Madsen 2,840,000
Pecherov 1,547,640

MIN in:

Rudy 1,165,320
Outlaw 3,600,000
24th Claver

they need $377,680 cap space, which is possible.

Basically for NJ the deal is
Harris for Rubio + Bayless + Przybilla + $6.2 million financial relief

for MIN it’s
Rubio for Rudy + Outlaw + 24th pick Claver

I think these are the deals they really have to give it a long and hard look. They may or may not bite. For us, yes losing Przybilla & Rudy hurts but that’s probably the price we need to pay for Harris?

I know the price may be too steep. Let me try to work out a deal between POR/NJ assuming they dump Simmons’ contract to us, which is probably the only reason they would consider trade Harris…

by iverigma2 on Jun 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

heh

pretty close to what i proposed above. i think we need to send Przy to Minny though. They need him more tha NJ does.

I’m still concerned with our 4/5 depth if we do this deal, but I think you have to really consider it. Losing Joel is a bit harder (short term) to swallow than losing Rudy.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we can rule out the Wolves, now

Kerry eggers spoke with David Kahn (his old colleague at the Oregonian) and Kahn made it pretty clear that he didn’t draft Rubio to trade him

But after listening to Ian Thompson (95.5) this afternoon, I now get the feeling that KP is looking to acquire another large expiring contract to use in a trade next spring, prior to the 2010 FA period

Simmons’ contract fits that criteria perfectly

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

get BSEC now. Come february, trade BSEC back to NJ for Devin Harris. ;-) what’s the rule on a team trading for a player they recently traded away?

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With Harris in and Blake out

You gain penetration but lose the 3 point shot

I didn't mean to turn you on

by dukedee on Jun 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

defense

by jksnake99 on Jun 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Harris may in fact return to the stellar defense he played in the early parts of his career, but he was not good on that end last year.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok, but...

you gain HUGE upgrades in almost every other facet of the game.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

a jump shot is overrated.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

2-way between POR/NJ

Outlaw 3,600,000
Bayless 2,143,080
Fernandez 1,165,320
LaFrentz 5,000,000 (S&T, only 1st year is guaranteed)
rights to Freeland and/or Clavor
2010 1st round pick
$3 million cash

for

Harris 8,400,000
Simmons 11,242,667

We need to renounce the right to Koponen to make it work. Depends on actual cap number, the amount to sign LaFrentz may vary but it’s gonna be in $5 million range.

NJ saves $7.7 million salary plus $3 million cash in next season while maintaining a decent backcourt of Alston/Bayless/Lee/Fernandez/T.Williams

2) This is very similar to douglast’s deal above

Outlaw 3,600,000
Bayless 2,143,080
Przybilla 6,857,725
rights to Freeland and/or Clavor
2010 1st round pick
$3 million cash

for

Harris 8,400,000
Simmons 11,242,667

We still need to renounce the right to Koponen to make it work. But at least no trick like S&T LaFrentz is needed.

NJ saves $7 million salary plus $3 million cash in next season.

In NJ’s side, I believe both of them are soild deals. In addition to immediate financial relief, it also includes young prospect under cheap rookie deal, Eurostash project, draft picks, solid veteran and cash.

In our side I believe these are reasonable price to pay for Harris.

by iverigma2 on Jun 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Priz fits when it comes to the $$

But i dont think NJ would like the cost, nor the length of his contract. Espesily when they have such a viable center in Lopez.

I think we would have to do something more creative to make the numbers work. What that creative thing is I have no clue.

Ugh, why couldent we of just traded for Harris a couple years ago.

* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...

by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Rockets

With Yao out and maybe done, perhaps the Rockets can be included.
It would probably take LMA to NJ to make NJ bite (talent wise).
Somehow it looks like this for the Blazers, assuming the correct sequence to have Bass signed and delivered before losing LMA.

In:
Battier
Harris
Simmons
Bass (cheaper than LMA)
Some 4/5 FA that can play 15 mins

Out:
LMA
Trout
Pryz
Blake or Bayless
Rights to a couple Euros for the $ to work

NJ gets:
Brooks
LMA

MotoCorsa Lines

by DucRider on Jun 30, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs