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Today's Poll: How Much For Hedo?

As Geoffrey C. Arnold noted, this isn't exactly the best year to be asking for big dollars; Yet potential Blazers target Hedo Turkoglu wants 5 years and $50 million dollars.  

It's difficult to envision this year's market supporting 5 and 50, especially considering Orlando's trade for his replacement, talk that Detroit might no longer be interested in his services, and the fact that Sacramento and Toronto -- teams that might not be as likely to shell out big time dollars -- are seen as Portland's probable competition for his services. 

Hedo to the Blazers probably comes down to price and contract length.  A 5 year deal seems almost out of the question; even 4 years might be pushing it.  The Blazers might prefer a shorter-term, bigger per-year dollar deal to limit their long-term obligations but, then again, the more money you commit to Hedo this year, the less money you have available to address your point guard rotation hole.

Below, I've listed some potential offers the Blazers could make to Hedo.

Please note: The question asks for your MAXIMUM offer to Hedo, not your first offer.

Answer the poll question and explain your reasoning in the comments.  If you have another offer not listed, feel free to list it in the comments.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

Poll
If the Blazers chase Hedo Turkoglu either in free agency or in a sign-and-trade, what should their highest offer be?
3 years, 24 million
733 votes
3 years, 30 million
447 votes
3 years, 36 million
170 votes
4 years, 32 million
365 votes
4 years, 40 million
172 votes
4 years, 48 million
30 votes
5 years, 40 million
60 votes
5 years, 50 million
45 votes
I would offer less than any of the options listed
476 votes
I would offer more than any of the options listed (whatever it takes to get him)
28 votes
Kirk Hinrich
851 votes

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Hedo has a low TS% and a mediocre PER. He also has a reputation for not taking care of his body. Add into the equation the fact that he is basically a lesser version of Brandon Roy and I’m not sure why he makes sense. He’s a horrible fit for the weakside spot in Nate’s offense.

Kirk Hinrich.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

hinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrichhinrich

by The Arkitect on Jun 29, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

KH

"We didn’t pick Blair because of his history of fat-assery" -BlazerTag

by 5212872 on Jun 29, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh the sweet sound of a Hinrichgasm

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider "how" he was shooting though...

Portland wouldn’t let Hedo go 1-on-4 in straight isolation plays like Orlando did, so I would expect to see his shooting percentage increase with the Blazers (Blake’s rose by almost 5% after joining the Blazers)…

BUT

Anywhere near $10 million is ridiculous for Hedo… I love him at $7 and could live with him at $8, but that’s my limit.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 29, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but Hedo’s game isn’t spot-up shooting. It’s isolation and pick and roll type plays. Basically what Brandon does for us.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo goes 1 on 4 whether you let him or not...

he finally found an offense that plays to his game. I just don’t see how he fits in portland

by The Arkitect on Jun 29, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't invest too much

we have to remember that even though hedo would be a pretty good addition he would probably be plyaing a lesser role with us than he did in orlando and should be payed for the future contributions, which would be about 7 mil, and hopefully signing hedo would mean trading trav, otherwise not enough minutes. with travis out we have a mean group of 5 wings in rudy, roy, martell, batum and hedo

by StocktonNEP on Jun 29, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

That’s what I have to choose from?

Is this an extension of Portland’s obsession with minor league teams, players and ideas?

Hedo Turkeyglue weeeee! NBA CHAMPS 2010

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

With the news on Yao, I wonder if Battier is somewhat available. He would be a good piece to go after aggressively.

If Detroit wants Hedo, would they be willing to give up on Tayshaun? Stuckey-Rip-Hedo-Millsap-someone is a pretty nice lineup… depends on if they want Hedo more than Tayshaun.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be more interested in Battier if we didn't have Batum.

But I like the way you’re thinking.

As for Hedo, 8 mil a year for 3 years is even a bit much, but based on current market value for him, it’d be hard to say no to that. But if I was being honest, I really think a 3 year, 15-18 million dollar deal is more than fair for what he’d bring.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Jun 29, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Battier any how they can throw him in the starting lineup

Have Batum fill in the rest of the minutes and thats a championship quality SF rotation that can grow gracfully transitioning from Tayshaun to Batum.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 29, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love it.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jun 29, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say it over and over.

Shane Battier is one tough dude, but.

I’ve got a fever, and the only cure is some more Hinrich.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

K.P.: Please don't sign Hedo at any price!

Agree with Cablinasian above; find a player who is a better fit for our team.

by kacee on Jun 29, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No Hedo!

Good name for a cocktail but not a Blazer. He is not right for this team for any price.

by Sungari on Jun 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo is a terrible fit

for this Blazer team, and not a very good player overall this last year. He just turned 30 and had one of his worst shooting years to date, which is not a good sign. He is a poor defender as well which makes him nothing to the Blazers. This is a totally media driven idea, no way KP and the Blazers are really interested in him.

by usmcr3049 on Jun 29, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec the voice of reason.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Battier is on the market because of Yao’s injury, I’d go after him and Hinrich. That’s a championship starting five.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there were rumors that Battier could be had for the right price… I wonder how much the Rockets want for the best player in basketball

by The Arkitect on Jun 29, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s the ideal small forward for our offense. He’s content to stand in the corner and shoot a bazillion threes…. Plus, he’s a defensive wizard. We win sixty games with him in the lineup… add Kirk and that’s a title team.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love me some no-stat All-Star

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Blake for Kirk Hinrich and Travis Outlaw for Shane Battier? Title contention next year. I think we might have to renounce two of our three Euros in this scenario, though.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nedzad Sinanovic gets renounced over my dead body.

Battier to hold down the fort while Batum develops… man.

Hinrich at PG… man.

Could we turn from an efficient offensive time but mediocre defensive, to tops in both? In one offseason? Plus Oden developing and being in shape?

60+ wins and a shot at the big enchilada.

Morty

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, Victor Claver, Joel Freeland, Petteri Koponen, and Patty Mills are sweetners that ...

I’d easily part with in any lopsided trade involving Steve Blake for Kirk Hinrich or Shane Battier for Travis Outlaw. I, by the way, would happily include Martell Webster along with Outlaw in the deal for Battier, although it’s doubtful that Daryl Morey would want to take a chance on an injury prone player like Webster.

by AK1984 on Jun 29, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we make those two deals then we are the favorites for the 2010 title.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'd be the favorites to win

the Pacific division maybe.

by as11osu on Jun 29, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

with Hinrich and Battier, I see no reason to think that we wouldn’t vault into the top three in defensive efficiency. Our offense wouldn’t exactly regress, so I don’t get why we wouldn’t be title favorites.

We already were top five or six in defensive efficiency in the last six weeks of the season. Hinrich/Battier would easily push us into elite status on that end of the court.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, youre right about webster

Morey doesn’t want another guy who could potentially end his career with a bad foot.

by pdxlifer on Jun 29, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I'd trade Claver

I’m warming up to the idea that two or three years from now, when we’re drafting 27th, we have this potentially very talented big guy coming in as a big bonus right when we need new blood.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

but in the end, it’s all about a title. If giving up Claver was necessary in attaining Hinrich and Battier, then I would have no issues letting him go.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

but it’s a reasonable argument. The reason I disagree is that Batum is already our Battier, so we don’t need to give up assets for Battier.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Claver is a late first round pick. We can always buy those and draft and stash Euros… they are not a limited commodity. Having Battier to guard Kobe/Melo/etc. makes us a legitimate threat this year, not in two years when Batum is actually ready for the playoffs.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum not ready for playoffs (?)

That’s an interesting point. I think Batum didn’t excel against the Rockets because of the matchup. On defense, he was stuck out on the three-point line guarding Battier, which was a waste of what he brings to the game. I feel like he would have had a different series against Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony. That’s my guess — who knows if I’m right.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to think that he’s a few years away from being ready for primetime.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Claver is also a Pritchard first round pick

They have a good percentage of success.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 29, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree and Disagree

While I think Claver looks a lot like a young Dirk Nowitski, I don’t know why we insist on pretending that every move Pritchard has made has been a genius move…

The guys is a good gm, maybe even a really good one, but if I see another “In KP we Trust” comment, I might throw up.

by HappyTrails on Jun 30, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec

keep some young talent coming in as our decent draft picks dwindle

by U-Andy-O on Jun 30, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would definetly want to throw in Martell.

The minute layout is starting to become quite the puzzle. The last thing i want is to start the year with 3 healthy start-able Small Forwards.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich and Battier? Heck, yeah!

Not only do they give us what we need (except a back-up 4), but they’d fit the character of the team. Battier is a class act, and from what I know about Hinrich, he is too. Grab ’em!

by VTDuck on Jun 29, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have already started the NO HEDO in 09' club.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 29, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why we would fork over that much for that little

It just doesn’t make sense to me. Why would we want another player that demands the ball and dribbles the clock out. I can envision B-roy and Turk on the court together and all i see is 4 teammates standing around waiting for either turk or roy to do their magic. Teams would have an even easier time defending us. We don’t need a horrible defender that needs the ball in his hands to be effective. I hope these are rumors because i can see us loosing a couple more games with turk in the line-up

by NDREXLERDRIVE on Jun 29, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not about the money. It's just a terrible fit.

The only role I see for him is as a sixth man type role for when Brandon’s taking a break.

by howlingfantods on Jun 29, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

actually the perfect fit

We need a reliable sixth man and if we get Hedo we’ll have that guy. Of course if he’s not happy with the position it’ll not be easy to trade him since his salary will not be a good one to pick up. So I guess KP should clarify the terms with him and hope that he accepts.

by SithLord13 on Jun 29, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo is a good passer, has good court vision, and a high basketball IQ

Seems to me that Jordan and Pippen were two players who also like to have the ball in their hands. I’m not saying the analogy is equivilent, but the principal is the same.

Hedo was the straw that stirred the drink in Orlando. The Magic’s move for Vince Carter will prove to be a huge joke – ala Iverson to Detroit.

News Flash – If we sign a “veteran” like everyone says we need to, he’s likely going to be somewhat “old” in any case. Hedo’s style of play should hold up well into his mid-thirties.

If Heinrich turns out to be our only “big move” in free agency it will make our draft look the like the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.

I voted for 3 years at 36 mil. and almost went with 4 years at 32 mil. in the poll.

Sign the Turkey Glue!! Lets do this!!

PS – I like Andre Miller at point too.

by ajinoregon on Jun 29, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jordan and Pippen

Mike and Scottie were great defenders

Roy and Hedo are not in the same category

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

0 years, $0

but I don’t want Hinrich either, unless we can’t get Harris or Kidd.

I want the “Devin Harris” option added to the poll…

If the Blazers do go after Hedo, 3 years, $24 million should be the max

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Devin Harris is not attainable

I don’t have any proof of this. My reasons are:

1. I think KP and Thorn are in the same stratosphere at the top of NBA GMs who wont make a deal they’re not positive they’ll win.

2. Devin Harris is an All-Star, and NJ isn’t trading him for anything less than that.

3. They just traded for his backcourt mate for the foreseeable future.

by Twith on Jun 29, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devin Harris has been the subject of near-daily trade rumors for about a week. Where there is smoke, there is often fire. Could the Nets be looking to dump long-term salary? Some think so…

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13122

Yes, it’s a long shot. But I want KP to swing for the fences here. Hedo or Hinrich is a solid double. I want a grand slam.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

where there is smoke

        There is sometimes just smoke. Especially in the off-season.

by dbcouver on Jun 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

but we should still pursue it.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

All these reports of Portland being interested in acquiring Turk and Andre Miller are just smoke, as well

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope your right.

These moves seem retroactive to what we have been building for the last couple years.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Thorn "win" the Vince Carter deal?

sometimes, a GM’s got to do what a GM’s got to do

by two4larue on Jun 29, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Thorn did "win."

NJ’s not competing in the short term, so paying VC a ton of money to wobble around 8th-10th in the east is silly. Dropping him (and his contract) for a young piece like Lee plus some huge financial flexibility next summer is pretty huge.

NJ can probably offer two max contracts next year. What if this LBJ and Bosh stuff comes true for NJ? They’re title-worthy, starting:

Harris
Lee
LeBron
Bosh
Brook Lopez

Even if that doesn’t happen, adding a carefully hand-picked $30 million in 2010 free agents to a young core of Harris, Lee, and Lopez is probably top-4 in the east, depending on how the rest of that FA summer shakes out.

by Twith on Jun 30, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only guy

On this whole site who likes Hedo for the Blazers?

Party at my place if they sign him.

I’ll provide the beer. And by that I mean the one beer.

by ajinoregon on Jun 29, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could drink a beer......

I don’t buy the “he’s another Brandon Roy.” I say GOOD. I would like to have 5 like Brandon Roy. I think that would be a damn good team!

by blzrfan1938 on Jun 29, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Hedo.

He’s be a terrific fit here. Everyone is down on him because he does what Brandon Roy does…for some reason I don’t see a slightly older and slower version of Roy as a bad thing.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a bad thing...

Having two players with duplicate skills means that someone is going to have their toes stepped on. Roy is the man right now, and I don’t want any other player getting in the way of the man doing what the man does.

We need complementary players, not redundant ones.

by Jackalope 66 on Jun 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

they obviously aren’t exact duplicates. The point I was trying to make is we frequently lament the fact that only Roy can create his own shot and drive the ball, so when the opponents are able to somewhat corral him (like Houston in Round 1) we are in serious trouble. Having Hedo would make opponents pick their poison: either stack up on Roy and let Hedo run wild or dare to cover Roy one on one.

Can you think of one other attainable person in this offseason that could do that for us?

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why we need an upgrade at the PG.

A better-passing point guard would take care of this problem. Instead of another player who can play one-on-one, we need a player who can facilitate movement for all five players and generate assists.

Who would accomplish this? I like Capt. Kirk or J. Kidd. Neither is perfect, but each would help us avoid the scenario you describe. Can we get either of them? I have no doubt we can get Kirk, and I think we should make a play for Kidd (without selling the farm to do it).

by Jackalope 66 on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a good comparison

Different guys defend Aldridge. You don’t have to choose between defending Roy or defending LA.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irrelevant

because of double-teams and floor-spacing. Oh yeah, and Oden too.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if you're right

Adding Hedo would make opponents choose between guarding Roy, Aldridge or Hedo.

The basic point I’m getting at is Hedo makes our offense more dynamic.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had the most efficient offense last year

What we need improving is Defense

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 29, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Must not lose sight of the defense…

SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.

by MrGrinch on Jun 30, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1...

I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this. We need another perimeter playmaker…and by perimeter playmaker, I mean a triple threat guy who can generate shots for himself or others. Roy had to do way too much on the offensive end last season…especially in the playoffs.

When defenses double Roy, he throws the ball to A) Aldridge on the perimeter who is either going to shoot a jumper or pass to a guard; B) Outlaw on the perimeter who is going to jack up a shot or drive and attempt an incredibly difficult shot; or C) Blake who is going to shoot a jumper or dribble around. All 3 options do not cause much deliberation in the defender’s mind, b/c all 3 options are superior to guarding Roy one-on-one.

Now what happens when the double comes and Roy flips the ball to guys like Hedo, Prince, Rondo or Harris? The defense is in serious trouble because any of those guys are a threat to get to the basket and score or create an easy shot for their teammates….and to make matters worse they have to guard 4 guys with 3 defenders. You just don’t get that dynamic without a perimeter playmaker.

by JasonT on Jun 29, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling Gerald Wallace

You are wanted in PDX

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does what Brandon Roy does, sure.

But far faaaaar less efficiently.

All aboard the Kirkwagon!

by Arby on Jun 29, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the current economic environment....

… I’d be curious to see if opting out ends up being the right move for him. Can he really get $10~ mil?

by Furious Styles on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the big "why?"

$8M per year is a bit much to back up Batum and Aldridge.

At least with Hinrich you can make the argument that he plays better than the incumbent(s).

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 29, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, PG is the real focus we need to take.

Every other position seems solid. Add one backup big vet after this and we are set.

by staylost on Jun 29, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on PG

I hope we either sign Hinrich or another PG soon because I would love to go on a BE thread and not hear about Kirk. It’s getting old if we get him fine, personally I’m hoping for better.1. Devin Harris 2. Mike Conley 3.Rubio. If Kirk is the best KP can do then fine. I just wish I could go thru 1 thread without hearing about him……..Go Blazers!!!!!

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hold the phone

Should Hedo sign with Portland, he would start. No way he backs up 20 year old Nic Batum.

Yellow Mamba FTW!

by northwestj on Jun 29, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell starts

Hedo would be in second unit, half court game would run through Hedo when Roy rests

by B1azerfan on Jun 29, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night KP said that they're checking Martell's x-rays monthly; watching his progress.

So, nobody knows if and when he will ever be ready to play in any capacity.

by blzrfan1938 on Jun 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im so sick of hearing about Martell.

Its a stress fracture!

Who has worse injury luck, Martell or Greg? I get the bad feeling more and more that Martell has worse luck. Hopefully he can heal over the summer and comeback in the same shape as last preseason.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo would start wouldn't he is we pay him 9mill

While martell was recently signed for 4 million

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 29, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland ranked 7th in the league in Net PER at the SF position

Orlando 11th. Portland ranked 16th in Net PER at the PG position.

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 29, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo would start.

If you think Webster or Batum is better than Hedo then you have some player evaluating to do.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the talent level isn't even close

Hedo is a borderline All-Star and was probably the MVP in the playoffs for the Eastern Conference Champion.

Batum, for all he will probably become, is right now a 15-20 mpg player that was so ineffective against Houston he wasn’t even a part of the rotation in the end.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was "ineffective" because he was camped out against Battier on the 3-point line

You can’t judge Batum’s contribution by the Houston series.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And point #2

You haven’t proven that Turkoglu is the player Portland NEEDS. He’s good, I agree, but he messes up the bigger plan.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not trying to say we NEED Hedo

I just don’t want him ruled out because he would make a much greater addition than a lot of people seem to give him credit for.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood . . . HOWEVER . . .

Because of the salary cap, we have to choose which deals to make and which not to make. (And by “we,” of course, I mean KP.)

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Indeed this does all boil down to “In KP we trust.”

And I do trust him to make the proper choice here. There is no reason to think otherwise.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland ranked 7th in the league in Net PER at the SF position

Orlando 11th. Portland ranked 16th in Net PER at the PG position.

I know this is repetitive…but the point cannot be made any clearer. Turk, for a big investment, is a marginal upgrade at best. Turk is not a defender (although SF’s played reasonably badly against him, this season).

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 29, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let some other team sign him.

I don’t know that anyone will offer him that much.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO HEDO 09' ™

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curious

Who would you suggest we get (if anyone)?

by Furious Styles on Jun 29, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no cap guru, but...

…I would be totally happy if the Blazers F.O. made a run for Gerald Wallace, Mike Conley and Brandon Bass.

Only one is a F.A., but I think the Blazers have some pieces to trade that might work.

by LaColin on Jun 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conley isn't going anywhere

Memphis signalled pretty clearly their intention to build around the Conley/Mayo backcout when they picked Thabeet last Thursday.

Bass and Wallace might be had, but it still doesn’t address the PG issue.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace I like

But Conley isn’t going anywhere, and I think Bass might be a bit expensive for what he’d be here in Portland.

by Furious Styles on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again a person who doesn't like a possible deal

because they are fantasizing about an impossible one. Look, the cards we’ve been dealt here make Hedo the best available acquisition, and contrary to what this site appears to thing Hedo IS a massive upgrade at SF. Sign Hedo, trade Outlaw+ filler for a decent backup PF and we’re good to go. I think if we get Hedo we don’t even need major help at the point.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever, dude.

Without returning your personal attack, I would say it is probably more possible for the Blazers to aquire Conley than it is for Hedo to shoot a decent percentage. The chances of either are, effectively, zero.

by LaColin on Jun 29, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Hedo isn't the main focus of the offense

as he was in Orlando, his shooting % would increase. Opponents would focus on Roy more and Hedo would have an easier time than he did in Orlando.

Didn’t mean my comment as a personal attack BTW. Sorry if it came off that way.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the primary question is whether Hedo is an upgrade or not.

He would be a significant offensive upgrade and provide the Blazers with another solid offensive option. He’d probably be our 3rd scoring option behind Roy and Aldridge (which is about right) and he’d be nice because he’d take the pressure off of Oden to have to develop an offensive game in a hurry.

However, the primary question is about the price – he’s going to command way to high a price for the marginal upgrade he brings us. As well as the fact that the area he upgrades isn’t our primary concern – there are much better places for the Blazers to put that money this off season.

On another note, I’m not sure why we feel it’s necessary to add another SF to the rotation? Batum was a solid option all of last year and should only improve and increase his minutes this year (The houston series aside – Artest and Battier were poor matchups for him that didn’t play to his strengths…not an accurate indicator of his role, potential, and future as a Blazer). The only small forward worth pursuing would be a player like Battier, who has the same skill set as Nic but with more experience and honing – that would be worth it, but again the price would have to be right.

by mwalter on Jun 30, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im with you

don’t want Hedo at all.

Wouldn’t mind Hinrich if all the better PG upgrades fall through.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts on Hinrich

I just don’t see Hinrich as much, if any, upgrade over Blake. Both can hit the three, both can drive the lane, both can defend a little and they both can find the open man. They are both even coming off of seasons where they were injured. If anything, Hinrich seems like a less intense version of Blake. I’d rather save 10 mil and keep the intensity. Even the guys over at Blog-A-Bull don’t seem very happy with him.

I’d rather use the 10 mil per year (or whatever Hinrich would cost) and pursue a major upgrade, not on a player who isn’t heads and shoulders above who we currently have on our roster.

by LaColin on Jun 29, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both can defend "a little?!?!?!"

Blake is without question in the bottom half of the league’s point guards when it comes to defense, and Kirk is probably a top five, certainly top ten defensive PG. On offense, yeah, they are pretty similar in terms of production with Blake a marginally better shooter and Kirk a marginally better driver. It’s the defense that makes this deal worth it.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want either.

I don’t think Hindrich is that much better than Steve except defense. Turk has many bad games because he is inconcistent and plays little defense according to fellow bloggers. So why invest in either. If we need a point guard, go after one that will be a bigger help. If we need a swingman go after someone that is a bigger up grade that doesn’t cost as much. I think we should spend that money on a backup PF and use Mills as the third PG. behind Bayless. We have the best why do we need the rest.

hg

by BBK on Jun 29, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes Staylost

That was the jist.

by ajinoregon on Jun 29, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We need the money

        To sign our veteran players. If we’re not sure about someone being the right fit, they probably aren’t. I don’t want to see us adding just to be busy, and I think Turkoglu and Heinrich both fall into that category

by dbcouver on Jun 29, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

But this is our last window to add someone for “free”, just using (mostly) cap space.

Once LMA, Roy, Oden and Friends all become due for new contracts, we’ll still be able to pay them whatever we want to pay them. We can afford to go over the salary cap.

If we make a bad deal and use our cap space on someone not worth it, it’ll limit our options to improve going forward, but we’ll still be able to keep everyone we want to keep.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true...

however, are you will to put all of our eggs in the Hedo basket? If we’re going to invest in one more player and then call it good due to salary reasons, I’m not sure he’s the guy I want. I’d rather hold out for a better fit and a more complimentary player.

by mwalter on Jun 30, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'd rather get no one over getting Hedo

I want us to utilize this cap space, but I think getting an older guy for way too much will just hurt us in the long run.

So, we agree I think.

Morty

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Blazers are going to go after Hedo...

the rumors are just a smoke screen. So are the rumors about Hinrich and Miller….. I think the “big move” will come out from left field and take us all by surprise.

by jenstcy on Jun 29, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and from left field, it's...

Devin Harris!

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devin Harris isn't happening.

Hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but A) he’s not a free agent and B) any trade to get him would require either a massive expiring contract or a star-caliber player. Now, we don’t have any expiring contracts anymore, so it would have to be a star caliber player. I’m not talking Rudy or Outlaw, I’m talking Roy or Aldridge.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From left field or Maybe center field it is McDyess.

 cheaper and fills the need of backup Pf. We don’t really need that much more with our existing team getting better.

hg

by BBK on Jun 29, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pass on Hedo....

Too much $

Batum and Martell both need playing time to see where they fit into the Blazers future at the sf.

I don’t see Hedo settling for being LA’s back up.

Orlando has said they will match whatever they need to and go over cap to keep him.

Next player please…….

by FrenchieFan on Jun 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

No option for I don’t want Hedo or Hinrich

Draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Jun 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No

NO TO HEDOISM!

Proud member of Duck nation!

by skywaker9 on Jun 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tina Turner, vocals

After the playoffs
Out from the wreckage
Can’t make the same mistake this time
We are the Blazers
the young generation
We are the ones they build around
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the cap ’til nothing else remains

We don’t need another Hedo
We already know the way home
All we want is life beyond the West first round

Looking for someone we can rely on
There’s got to be something better out there
Roy and LaMarcus, their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the cap till nothing else remains
All the children say

We don’t need another Hedo
We don’t need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the West first round

So, what do we do with our cap space?
We sign only a scrub
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 29, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

C'mon Elgin, what's the name of the song?

It’s that one from the second Mad Max film right?

I keep trying to fit the lyrics to “What’s Love Got To Do With It.”

Rec anyway.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 29, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's We Don't Need Another Hero (Thunderdome).

thanks pal – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 30, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Third Max film I think. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 30, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben....

Hedo and his agent have logged in 178 times and selected 3 years and 24 miilion.
Isn’t there any way to block that???

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Jun 29, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

hmmm

wouldn’t Hedo and his agent be clicking the 5 years, 50 million option?

but recced b/c I chuckled

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 29, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If his agent was any good

he would have chosen the “I would offer more than any of the options listed (whatever it takes to get him)”

by Furious Styles on Jun 29, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the thought of Turkoglu in a Blazer jersey

Imagine last season but with Hedo starting in place of rookie Batum. With Martell replacing Outlaw’s minutes and an improved, more experienced Bayless, Roy, Rudy, Batum, Aldridge, and Oden.
That’s a team I want to watch.
If you judge signing Turkoglu in comparison with other “possible” acquisitions, of course you won’t like the idea. But who knows who we can actually get? Like it’s been said before – guys like Millsap and Bass won’t sign here to back-up Aldridge. And who knows if Chicago is willing to give up Heinrich – and is a $10m Heinrich really better than Blake, who already has winning chemistry with the team?
Portland is not exactly a desirable geographical destination for free agents. If Turkoglu is all we can get, I’m all for it!
Just trying to throw out some devil’s advocacy

by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jun 29, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone will disagree with you...

if Turkoglu is ‘all we can get’ then it’s a whole new ballgame. However, the premise of your statement is wrong – Turkoglu is not all we can get and because of this fact there are many others who are more desirable. However, if they all fall flat I’m sure we could be Turkoglu work – it just won’t be the piece that brings us a title and at that point our hands will be tied.

by mwalter on Jun 30, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two reasons not to get Turkoglu

1. Batum is the right guy at starting SF. We slap Batum on the opposite team’s best frontcourt player, and that makes life better for Roy, Rudy, etc. I was just watching a couple games from last year, and I’m convinced Batum is going to be an offensive asset too.

2. Turkoglu messes up our ability financially to sign somebody at a more needed position. Break the bank for a PG if there’s one out there, but not for a SF.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hedo >>>>>>> Batum

sorry, but it’s true. We shouldn’t avoid getting player due to who would be pushed down the depth chart.

And after this year we have no financial flexibility. But I do agree if we can choose between breaking the bank for Mike Bibby or breaking the bank for Hedo we should get Bibby.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is our offense is incredibly efficiant.

Our perimeter D is what we are lacking. Sacrificing what little strength we have on the perimeter would spell disaster for Greg and his foul situation.

* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...

by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on Batum

Batum already is our shut-down defender; Hedo would be a significant defensive downgrade.

Batum has yet to reach his offensive ceiling; Hedo is on his way down.

How many more points would we score with Hedo in comparison to the amount of points our defense would allow the opponent to score? Especially with each player being one year older…

by Jackalope 66 on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just say NO to Hedo

We don’t need a “point- forward” instead of having the ball in Roy’s hands.

by spencerbutte on Jun 29, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree about no Hedo, but I disagree about point-forwards

I wish we’d seen more extra passes from the Blazers this year. If you have multiple passers on the team, that leads to more easy baskets in the half court. Think Bird-Ainge-Johnson — I would love to see the Blazers move the ball like that. I think the current team can pass okay, but maybe Nate keeps them clamped down and some players pinned to the 3-point line a little too much for that to happen.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im anti hedo

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jun 29, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think about 5 mil per year for no more than 3 years

Basically, he’s worth the mid level exception. His production seems to be declining and my guess is that whoever signs him will regret it by year 3. Say hello to the future Hedo Turkoglu’s expiring contract.

by jstamp26 on Jun 29, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How is he declining?

Yes, his numbers last year were better but he still posted the second best overall season of his career this year. 17-5-5 is terrific for a #2 scorer, which he was for Orlando and which we would probably be for us.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Declining

When comparing 2008 to 2009 he declined in 9 areas while improving in one (personal fouls). He did get fewer minutes though, by roughly 200.

by LaColin on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying...

…he is declining though, because last season was still statistically his second best season on record.

by LaColin on Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would not go after Hedo, period

Hedo is an average NBA player, and if you look at his entire body of work for last year, it is surprisingly lacking. I think that his last second shots to save the Magic during the playoffs are what is driving his current value, but during the course of an entire game he is an average player.

Batum is better than Hedo right now, so why would we offer Hedo an offer. Also, Hedo needs the ball in his hands to score and that might not be compatible with Brandon.

by mmm! on Jun 29, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good lord I'm commenting alot

But did you just say Batum is better than Hedo?

Batum: 5.4 ppg, .9 rpg, .6 apg, 18.4 mpg

Hedo: 16.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, 36.6 mpg

Yes, Batum is better defender, but not so much better as to make up 11.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 4.3 assists. Batum is still a prospect. He will be a very good player some day, but right now I think we are overvaluing him if we use him as the reason to not sign Hedo.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

take into account two things

We’re good enough on offense, and Hedo shoots a terrible terrible percentage.

by austinpwnz on Jun 29, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WP48 says so

If you use WP48 to compare players across teams at a given position (i.e. talent comparison per minute of production), you’d see that Hedo had a WP48 of 0.101 and Batum had a WP48 of 0.116 (an average NBA player has a WP48 of 0.1). This shows that for the 2008-09 season, Batum and Hedo produced similarly per minute (and this is not even measuring defense which we assume to be Batum’s strong point).

by mmm! on Jun 29, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo is a case where basically all the advanced metrics (despite their differences)-- like WP48 and PER, for example

agree that Hedo is a much more inefficient player than people realize. He simply doesn’t make enough of his shots to be a highly productive player. While he is a skilled player, he’s become very overrated recently.

by jksnake99 on Jun 29, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, too, am not a fan of Hedo Turkoglu; however, he had a .101 WP48 at mid-season, while his ...

at the end of the season he had a .115 WP48. Regardless, your right to point out that WP48 — as well as PER — rate Turkoglu as an average player who deserves roughly the mid-level exception from a team that’s a good fit for him. The Portland Trail Blazers, however, are a bad fit for Turkoglu, so it’d be foolsh for the franchise to overpay for his run-of-the-mill services.

by AK1984 on Jun 29, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In lieu of Nicolas Batum, here's a comparison of ...

Hedo Turkoglu to another offensive-minded wing player.

HEDO TURKOGLU (2008-2009 STATS)
Player Efficiency Rating: 14.8
Wins Produced Per 48 Minutes: .115
True Shooting Percentage: 54.1%
Effective-Field Goal Percentage: 47.8%
Effective-Field Goal Percentage on Jump Shots: 45.8%
Fouls Drawn Per Field-Goal Attempt: 13.1%
Assist Percentage: 22.4%
Assists to Turnover Ratio: 1.83
Total Rebound Percentage: 8.2%
Blocked Shots Pecentage: 0.5%
Steals Percentage: 1.2%

??? (2008-2009 STATS)
Player Efficiency Rating: 13.8
Wins Produced Per 48 Minutes: .270
True Shooting Percentage: 58.8%
Effective-Field Goal Percentage: 55.9%
Effective-Field Goal Percentage on Jump Shots: 52.3%
Fouls Drawn Per Field-Goal Attempt: 9.4%
Assist Percentage: 21.6%
Assists to Turnover Ratio: 2.25
Total Rebound Percentage: 12.0%
Blocked Shots Pecentage: 1.0%
Steals Percentage: 0.7%

Why does the media love Turkoglu, yet ignore the latter?

by AK1984 on Jun 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Miller?

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got it.

If Kevin Pritchard can’t somehow ship out Travis Outlaw — in conjuction with any combination of Martell Webster, Victor Claver, Joel Freeland, Petteri Koponen, Patty Mills, the four worthless foreigners (i.e., Nedzad Sinanovic, Federico Kammerichs, Marcelo Nicola, & Doron Sheffer), a 2010 second-round draft pick (i.e., the more favorable of the one Chicago owes and Portland’s own), and $3,000,000 in cash considerations — to the Houston Rockets for Shane Battier, I’d gladly offer Outlaw and Martell Webster to the Washington Wizards for Mike Miller.

For the Wizards, Outlaw and Webster would be so-so backups for Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler. That, however, would push Dominic McGuire to the fifth forward spot, although he only played a decent amount of minutes last season due to injuries of fellow teammates.

by AK1984 on Jun 29, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

would honestly give up two players for Mike Miller who are right now better than Mike Miller?

by sPresley on Jun 29, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Player X didn't just raise his profile through the Eastern Conference playoffs?

No to Hedo, though. And a resounding NOOO to the earlier suggestion of Bibby.

by samuelleejackson on Jun 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's basically the main reason.

Anyhow, I’m also not a fan of Mike Bibby.

by AK1984 on Jun 29, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Batum only 20 yrs. old

No to Hedo. I like the player just not for Portland.

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 29, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For free agency

I’d target Jason Kidd. He would be an immense improvement over Blake/Bayless.

by mmm! on Jun 29, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually got a little excited about this tonight.

I think he could be a nice compliment to Bayless and would be a great role model and help in developing him. Kidd doesn’t help with the D so much, but his leadership, rebounding, and understanding of the game could go a long ways to making all these young guys play better…not sure how much he’s going to want, but if it’s cheap he could be worth it in liue of better options.

by mwalter on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this team really need another small forward?

Even if we trade Outlaw, ther’s just not enough minutes for him, a (supposedly) improved Webster and the rising star that is Batum. Too much $$$ for a guy that might not even improve the team.

Sorry Blazer fans, but aside from Portland snagging a game changing point guard, i don’t see Allen spending big monies until 2010.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jun 29, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We will have no "monies" to spend in 2010

We have to extend Roy and Aldridge and Poof! There goes our cap space.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right -- all the big moves have to be made this summer

And the most important one is at point guard, not small forward.

by Kaboomm on Jun 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

If it’s a choice between getting Andre Miller/Kirk Hinrich or Hedo I’ll take the PG.
I’m just saying we shouldn’t rule out Hedo entirely.

by GMan83201 on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/agree

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly :p

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would offer him

a five year contract set at 45 cents a game and a bonus can of cheese whiz if he actually does anything good.

But seriously, Hedo Turkoglu is everything the Blazers don’t need. Another inefficient small forward. And he can’t play defense to save his life. I’d much rather stick with Batum. More efficient and a lot cheaper.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jun 29, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually not against Hedo coming in

I’m not sure he’s a fit, but if he’s our best available option, a shortish contract wouldn’t be the end of the world. Obviously this assumes KP hasn’t found a better alternative… unless you want him to wait until midseason for trade purposes, then Hedo’s not an option of course.

by Timmay! on Jun 29, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Normally I'd agree

I just don’t like the idea of taking away our best defender (Batum) and replacing him in the starting lineup with a weak defender.

Even if Hedo was the absolute best option available and the only player we could add this offseason, I wouldn’t like it for that reason.

If he was willing to be a 6th man guy who we run the offense through with the 2nd unit, well, that’s different.

Morty

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

At that point...

wouldn’t he just be a glorified Travis Outlaw? A tweener that can score but is somewhat inconsistant and occasionally hits a big shot?

How much would you pay for a guy like that?

by mwalter on Jun 30, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though Hedo is sorta overrated now

He still is a point forward who can make plays for others, and while we don’t need that in either unit, it would be nice to have someone like that in the 2nd unit, especially if Bayless is the PG. With Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, Joel, whoever the PF is, it is conceivable that there is no actual playmakers in the 2nd unit.

We hope Bayless can become that, of course.

Hedo is definitely better than Outlaw, but I don’t think he’d like a 6th man role so it is probably a moot debate. I would pay quite a bit for a guy who could win 6th man of the year, though (which in the right situation I think Hedo could do). I don’t think we’re the right situation for Hedo, but he’s certainly better than Outlaw and can do a lot more offensively.

Morty

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if it came down to a choice between Hedo and Ron-Ron

I’ll take Artest. Sure, he’s a bit of a chucker (understatement of the year), but I don’t think he’d be that way in an offense with Roy and LMA (not to mention Rudy and Oden). I’m not advocating for signing him, either; if we need an upgrade anywhere, it’s at PG. But I’d sure take him over Heo (no ‘D’).

by MDBlazerfan on Jun 29, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not interested - need isn't at SF

Our needs:
1) Back-up PF who is tough, rebounds well, and can near the basket (Channing major weakness, IMO). Remember the Rockets series: Oden/Priz in foul trouble throughout, and we got beat up on the boards (Rockets out rebounded us, our ave was more than 5 fewer per game), and by Luis Scola. I’m all about McDyess. Rebounds like a mad-man, will be more effective (due to age) coming off the bench than as a starter, hussles, defends, including at C in a punch, and can teach Oden how to use feet/body instead of hands on D. Oh, and he wants to win a title more than he wants $.

2) PG. I realize many feel this is our critical weakness, but really – we won 54 last year with Steve and Sergio. Bayless is going to be better and give us a real contrast to Steve, and certainly Sergio. I think we should go after a vet PG, but I won’t cry if KP stands pat. (Wondering ’bout that rumored fire-sale in PHX, given the shopping of Amare, and the adios to Shaq. Is Nash available? What if we had a PG who knew how to run? Shoot? Be tough? Teach Bayless, and be ready to retire in a few years? Also interested in Andre Miller.)

SF Situation. We’re squared. Again, we won w/o Nic scoring last year, and the dude can play D. Martell has a jumpshot (what Hedo would bring), so why would we pay more for an older version? And ditto the comments regarding Hedo as a “bad fit” here.

by mslivkoff on Jun 29, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually think if we can get a small forward who can take the playmaking pressure off of Roy

then we don’t need an upgrade at point guard. But I do not think Roy can handle another season like last, where he had shoulder so much playmaking responsibility. Hedo does fit the bill of a guy who can create offense for himself and others from the perimeter. Right now all we have is Roy and a budding with potential Bayless.

by JasonT on Jun 29, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need a defensive upgrade upgrade at point guard.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Rudy was pretty effective running the pick and roll to initiate the offense at the end of last year.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was initiating the Blazer offense off of the pick and roll very effectively, acting as the ballside wing in the high-low zone offense. He’s not a great one-on-one player, but that doesn’t mean he can’t start the offense in other ways.

by Cablinasian on Jun 29, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right he did some good things with the pick and roll

last season. I made the point earlier about the lack of a really great perimeter option once Roy gets doubled. If we had a perimeter outlet for Roy who could both generate his own offense and shots for others, it would put the opposing defense in the postion of having to choose whether to guard Roy one-on-one or guard 4 players with 3 defenders. I love Rudy, but the time it takes to run a pick and roll after the ball goes out of Roy’s hands, would allow the defense to recover. If we had a guy who could take his man off the dribble from the perimeter and score and/or dish to an open teammate once he received the pass from Roy, we would be an extremely difficult team to defend. I know teams don’t double all game long, but they certainly do during crucial possessions and in the playoffs, so the real benefit would come at the end of close games or in the post season.

by JasonT on Jun 29, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

Just say “No!” to Hedo

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

by doublezeroduck on Jun 29, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

funny

For all the Batum/Turkoglu comparisons, most forget that we already have Turkoglu’s upgrade in the rotation.

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 29, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Hedo doesn't bank in that three

Portland wins the division and faces NO, not Houston. So, CLEARLY, we need to sign him, at any cost, so he does not do that to us again.

by Pooh Richardson on Jun 29, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Gerald Wallace for the win

I’d rather have Artest than Turkoglu and he’d probably be cheaper.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Jun 29, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Swish!

I want Crash!!!

"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

by GonzoFan on Jun 29, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh sweet sweet Gerald Wallace.

I love his game and the hustle he would bring.

Getting to the rim is a skill we need to bring into our offense badly. I am still holding on to the Idea that Martel can someday feel comfortable driving to the hoop.

Seems Larry Brown <3’s Gerald Wallace.
Bah.

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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 30, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

get him a helmet

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 30, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am proud to announce I was the 503rd vote for Kirk...

…as in “the (503)”. Now it’s gonna happen, I can feel it in my BONES!

"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

by GonzoFan on Jun 29, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No thanks.

That guy who posted on Marvin Wiliiams the other day already convinced me of who id like at SF.

Defense! Defense!

by BlazerBen on Jun 29, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My sentiments

exactly.

But don’t worry, ESPN guys think we need a 4th small forward on our roster and when have they ever been correct about a Blazers move? I don’t think they’ve ever predicted a thing KP has done.

by sPresley on Jun 29, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How could the tough-as-nails Italian film producer

with soundtrack by Goblin ever cry for ANY reason? – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 30, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo

Turk would be a downgrade from Travis. Travis can still get better, Turk is only getting worse. Honestly, keeping Trout around for 1 year at 4 mil is a much better deal than a multi-year deal with Turk. I think KP is smart enough to see this as well. What do we need? Toughness, veteran leadership, and an upgrade in point guard play. Hedo provides almost nothing in those 3 categories. 1. He is a finesse player who prefers the fadeaway to a drive to the basket, 2. It’s hard to lead a team when all you do is dribble around for hours… BRoy and Nate would poop bricks, 3. He thinks he’s a point guard, which is actually much worse than someone like Blake who knows his limitations.

by sPresley on Jun 29, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

how about that

someone else who likes Travis and thinks he’s still improving. Let’s stick together bruddah, there ain’t many of us around here. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 30, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Little story on Hedo I might have told before but most people likely haven't heard

In 2001 there were European championships in his home country Turkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2001

Their team played pretty good, ultimately losing only to Yugoslavia in the finals (today that would be the current Serbia, feat. Stojakovic and some other players at the top of their game). Problem was, they had huge chemistry issues. Turkey’s top scorer was a young SG named Ibrahim Kutluay, only outscored by Nowitzki and Stojakovic and ahead of players like Kirilenko and Gasol. But Turkey’s two big stars Okur and freshly drafted Turkoglu (2000, Kings) made a big stink that the team should play to their needs and they should be especially cared for. They e.g. demanded a limousine with a driver while the rest of the team including the guy who really carried it had to take the team bus. Nice. I have seen it with my own eyes.

The team probably fixed some of their chemistry issues since the two were invited back to following tournaments – albeit playing much worse at times and their team never achieving that success again so far. Still ever since then, I have not been a big fan of Hedo and Okur. I can still see that limousine driving behind the team bus with those two getting out as a sign of stars wanting to be treated like superstars and not like the rest of their teammates.

by Norsktroll on Jun 29, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich? Really?? Really???

Hinrich’s stats and per last year were worse than Blake’s. His assists were lower than Blake’s – his scoring a bit higher – but not enough to think you are getting an upgrade here. Blake just had a career year (well, for him). Maybe Hinrich gives you a bit more if his minutes are up, but there is no way he’s going to get 35 minutes in Portland – Blake averaged 31 mpg last year and that was the most he’s played since Denver. It doesn’t seem you are getting much more defense from him either. I just don’t get this move.

by karsikko on Jun 30, 2009 3:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich is a much better defender than Blake is

Basically, the reason so many like the move is because Hinrich is a better offensive player than Blake (not a ton better, but better) and a MUCH better defensive player.

Most consider Hinrich one of the best perimeter defenders.

You’re not the only one who doesn’t know Hinrich is known as a good defender, but I always thought it was pretty universal. Hinrich is a much better defender, and defense from the PG position is at a premium these days.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2009 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich had a broken hand last year.

If you’ve ever seen him play, you can tell he’s better. Frankly, an improvement in offense is not what this team is looking for anyway. The blazers were already the most efficient scoring team in the league. Defense is the difference maker. When you say “It doesn’t seem you are getting much more defense from him either”, it makes me think you’ve never seen Hinrich play, or Blake play for that matter. Their comparative defenses are lightyears apart. Both running the pick and roll (not a specialty of Blake’s) and defending it, Hinrich is far superior.

All aboard the Kirkwagon!

by Arby on Jun 30, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In addition to the above points

Kirk played roughly half his minutes at SG this season.

So, yes, their per 36 stats are remarkably similar, but under completely different playing conditions. Blake started , played with a better team around him and a completely different coach with an established system, played all his minutes at one position, and played with a pretty consistent lineup throughout the season.

Kirk came off the bench, split his minutes across two positions (really three, since he was often the “small forward” when the Bulls went with 3 guards), was frequently asked to defend the best perimeter threat on the opposing team, played with a coach with no experience who was putting in a new system, and played on a team that changed radically over the course of the season.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on Jun 30, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and + : 6 month for 30 $ millions / some shampoo sample/and a "hamman">the turk love the hamman!
And batum need to play in better franchise,portland is not a big city for him…
i’m pablo rubio(the brother of ricky rubio).

by malcom X on Jun 30, 2009 4:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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