Should Portland go after Rubio???
well should we???
Ive been reading allot of fan posts on the Timber wolves page and they seem to have some big idea that they can get Rudy and Batum for Rubio, personally I think this would be crazy and most of you blazer fans probably agree with me. One thing this shows though is that Minnesota fans would be ok with a Portland Trade and I personally think we could be getting Rubio. maybe not for Fernandez but maybe for someone like outlaw or webster. So what do You think???
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We SHOULD go after him
we probably won’t though. We need consolidation and an upgrade at point guard, this is both. Within two years he’d be the best point guard on this team, and would be just 20 years old. He’s a perfect complimentary player to LMA and Oden, and shot lights out from 3 last year, meaning he could still be a target for Roy on kick outs. He’s also a better defender than we have at the position currently and promises to be even better as his body matures.
It’s really simple. We have the pieces to go out and solve our biggest issue without giving up our big 3 (possibly big 5), and you have to do that when the chance is presented. IF Kahn is looking to unload Rubio, we can offer more than anyone else, because of all our assets and our specific need at that position. He’s a once in a decade type prospect at the position. No one has done more at his age than Rubio. Not only would he improve our team now, he’d increase our odds of winnings a championship from year to year, he’d increase our window by 2-3 years with how young he is.
I think KP and PA would’ve made a deal to get him, but they’re being held back by Nate’s desire for vets (which will cost this team down the road). Time will tell.
The New Jersey Nets can offer more than the Portland Trail Blazers.
Ricky Rubio would be smart to get himself traded to New York or a big-market team on the west coast. Of course, Rubio would most likely voice his displeasure at any deal involving the Portland Trail Blazers — which is a small-market team, no matter any homeristic comments that try to dispute otherwise — however, New Jersey wouldn’t necessarily be a bad destination for him.
FROM MINNESOTA & TO NEW JERSEY
PF Brian Cardinal ($6,300,000)
PF Mark Madsen ($2,630,000)
PG Ricky Rubio (Draft Rights)
FROM NEW JERSEY & TO MINNESOTA
PG Devin Harris ($7,800,000) [Base-Year Compensation Player]
SG Keyon Dooling ($3,300,000)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ncrk22
For Minnesota, David Kahn saves him the embarrassment of Rubio staying overseas with DKV Joventut for two more seasons in a huff over being drafted by a small-market franchise. In addition, the T’wolves acquire a ready-made point guard in Devin Harris who’ll allow the raw, undersized Jonny Flynn to come off the bench in a more appropriate reserve role for him.
C: Al Jefferson
C: Etan Thomas
C: Oleksiy Pecherov
PF: Kevin Love
PF: Darius Songaila
PF: Craig Smith
SF: Ryan Gomes
SF: Corey Brewer
SG: Wayne Ellington
SG: Keyon Dooling
PG: Devin Harris
PG: Jonny Flynn
PG: Sebastian Telfair
PG: Bobby Brown (Player Option)
For New Jersey, acquiring Rubio would be a transaction with major long-term implications. In the meantime, though, Rubio would help the Nets market itself, push merchandise, and sell tickets during what promises to be an extremely rough transition season in 2009-2010. Also, dealing Harris and Keyon Dooling for a couple of scrubs with expiring contracts (i.e., Brian Cardinal and Mark Madsen) — who’d both be released right after the completion of the trade — would clear up an enormous amount of cap space come the summer of 2010.
C: Brook Lopez
C: Tony Battie
C: Josh Boone
PF: Yi Jianlian
PF: Eduardo Najera
PF: Sean Williams
SF: Terrence Williams
SF: Bobby Simmons
SF: Trenton Hassell
SG: Courtney Lee
SG: Chris Douglas-Roberts
SG: Jarvis Hayes (Team Option)
PG: Ricky Rubio
PG: Rafer Alston
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/26/926280/rubio-a-no-show#17458109
Anyhow, I totally agree with you that anybody who’s against parting ways with Rudy Fernandez and Jerryd Bayless for Ricky Rubio is drinking some sweet, homeristic Kool-Aid. I, however, would admittedly prefer to keep Nicolas Batum out of any deal for Rubio. On my list of untouchable players, it goes Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Joel Przybilla, and Batum.
Yet, that notwithstanding, Rubio probably lacks any interest whatsoever in coming to Portland — for which I wouldn’t blame him — plus, jksnake99 is correct to assume that the combo of Rubio and Nate McMillan would be an epic disaster. Now, for Rubio’s sake, I hope he ends up with the New York Knicks, although it doesn’t appear as if Donnie Walsh has enough asssets to acquire him.
I think KP can get in the middle of that NJ-Minn trade
If the Blazers want Harris badly enough, they could work between the Nets/Wolves
Something like…
FROM NEW JERSEY TO PORTLAND
Devin Harris [8,400,000]
FROM PORTLAND TO NEW JERSEY
Travis Outlaw [3,600,000] Jerryd Bayless [2,143,080]
FROM PORTLAND TO MINNESOTA
Joel Przybilla [6,857,725] rights to Victor Claver
FROM MINNESOTA TO NEW JERSEY
Ricky Rubio’s [2,724,300] Oleksiy Pecherov [1,547,640]
FROM MINNESOTA TO PORTLAND
Ryan Gomes [4,017,500]
FROM NEW JERSEY TO MINNESOTA
rights to Terrence Williams
MINNESOTA
Incoming salary 5,310,085
Outgoing salary 5,565,140
NEW JERSEY
Incoming salary 7,290,740
Outgoing salary 6,852,360
PORTLAND
Incoming salary 12,417,500
Outgoing salary 12,600,805
Despite the fact that Minnesota would decline that trade proposal in a heartbeat, I'm 100% ...
of the opinion that trading Joel Przybilla elsewhere would backfire on the Portland Trail Blazers.
Except for franchise cornerstones Brandon Roy and Greg Oden, Przybilla is the most untouchable player on the Trail Blazers — even more so than LaMarcus Aldridge, who’s still vastly overrated by the majority — because shutdown interior defense is the staple of a championship caliber team.
Again, though, David Kahn might’ve been foolhardy to draft Ricky Rubio knowing it would turn into a debacle, but he’s not dumb enough to trade away his draft rights for a ¢ on the $.
Wouldn't it be nice if he truly had that...
because shutdown interior defense is the staple of a championship caliber team.
Przybilla is going to be 30 years old and got absolutely handled by Yao for an entire series. And that was during the best year Przybilla will ever have. He’ll never hold more trade value than he does right now, and we can’t afford to build around a 30 year old center. If you can get back your franchise level point guard, he’s easily on that list that can be included. There’s an acknowledged “big 3” for a reason. I’d put Batum and Rudy ahead of him as well, as their prime will coincide with our championship window.
Agreed on the T’Wolves not doing this though. Rubio holding out this year doesn’t hurt my feelings at all. It’ll just make your lottery pick that much sweeter and bring your young players closer to being ready. Let Flynn put up his raw numbers and trade him as an overvalued stock next year.
by as11osu on Jun 28, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but as anyone can see KP and Nate do not agree on things
Nate will not be the coach much longer, especially after next year’s early playoff exit.
crystal ball, much?
Or are you just a sour grapes ex-Sonic’s fan?
I’m not a Nate-apologist, but I observe he’s pretty well-respected around the league. I think if there’s anything that Blazer fans need to fear about McMillian leaving PDX, it’s that he’ll wind up in L*A, kissing K*be’s backside
Are you kidding?
LA stepping down from Phil Jackson to Nate McMillan? That would be one team we no longer have to worry about. We could get one of the Van Gundy’s, Larry Brown, Rick Adelman, Byron Scott, Pop or maybe even Sloan. In the not so distant future we’re going have our pick of the best coaches in the league because we’ll be both the most talented team in the league and have an owner that can pay for the best. If Nate gets destroyed in the playoffs again the way he did this year versus Adelman, it’ll be time to move on to greener pastures.
Didn't you hear about K*be?
Br*ant was asked if Phil was to leave that he would prefer Nate or SVG as head coach, above L*A assistants Rambis and Shaw
We had a lively debate about that, last week.
I wouldn’’t get your hopes up re: McMillian leaving town, if I were you. You’d probably just be setting yourself up for a big let-down ;^)
Nah
I’m willing to wait on Bayless.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Rubio makes everyone better
Bayless makes Bayless better. If you can upgrade now we’d be much better off down the road.
Says who?
I can’t say I’ve once read that. I do like Rubio, but this idea that he’s a can’t miss point guard is laughable.
Where do you think Bayless would have fit into this years draft if he’d stayed another year in school? Just curious.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
He'd probably go Eli Manning on us
not in a good way. I’m still waiting for someone to explain how Rubio is going to be any different than Sergio. Even Rudy thinks Rubio isn’t ready.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
PDX says "never"
Batum & Rudy 4 Rubio isn’t going to happen from the Portland end…no way, no how…if it was Rudy some combination of Outlaw/draft picks/Bayless it is a possibility, although it is tough to know the mind of KP
Rubio
hasnt showm much of anything yet. I wouldnt have wasted a lottery pick on him let alone Batum and Rudy.
Waaay to expensive in my opinion
I really like where Batum is going and the main reason I’d want Rubio would be to keep the Spanish Armada alive so trading Rudy wouldn’t help that
You have my axe!
by you have my axe on Jun 28, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions
A very good player
I’d do it if the price is right, say Bayless + Outlaw/Webster
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
I'd buy that for a dollar.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
I want him to go to the Lakers
cuz I already dislike him that much. I don’t care if he’s the best PG in the world… he annoys that crap outa me.
Maybe before the draft I would say yes...
…but the more I read about him the more of a prima donna I feel he is. His actions (and that of his father’s) are starting to remind me of Steve Francis. You may argue that Francis was an all-star, but we all know that all he was really able to contribute was a poor attitude and years of wasted time and money for the teams that thought he was going to help make them a contender.
Playing in the NBA should be seen as an honor, no matter which team you end up on. What are the statistics, like 1 out of 4,000,000 hopefuls actually make the NBA? Actions like his are so disrespectful and “me-first” this should raise some serious flags for people.
Pass. I’d rather go after a veteran who appreciates being in the league a little more.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
2year salary after taxes (4M$) - Buyout (6.6M$) = -2M$
Sure, find us a veteran who loves the game enough to pay 2M$ for playing.
I think it's safe to say Rubio will end up making a whole lot of money in this league eventually.
If he’s all about the money he’ll make in the next two years why should he come play here at all? He’d make the same amount playing in Minnesota for the next two years as he would in NY. This isn’t about the money for him, it’s about his personal preference of locations. Well, that’s not how the league is supposed to work. That’s why there is a draft, to maintain balance and competitiveness. If the league keeps letting pushy, arrogant little you-know-what’s strong arm their way to whichever team they want we might as well turn it into the "NY-BOS-LA and Other Warm Weather City Basketball League.
By the way, I’d pay a starting-quality, proven-veteran up to $10M per year. Luckily we’ve got a guy named Paul Allen on our side, so that’s not as big a deal for us as it may be for other teams.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
It's funny, I like Rubio
But am with you, the more and more I read from his camp, the more i begin to dislike him.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
I would pursue Ricky, but as a means to an end
I know Rubio’s going to be good, but he’s too young for what Portland needs right now. The team is in “win now” mode and is not looking to add a 19 year old, rookie PG
What they really need is a great young veteran PG, like…Devin Harris
New Jersey may be willing to part with Harris if they can get Rubio in return, so I’d try to work out a 3-way trade with Minnesota and the Nets
The details of this deal would depend on what Kahn wants for Rubio, but I suspect he’d ask for Przybilla since his team has no center of Joel’s caliber
Rubio is going to be a top 5 or top 10 point guard for the next 10-15 years
Adding him to Roy, Batum, LMA, and Oden would potentially give us top 5 players at 4 of 5 positions in our starting unit. None of the guys on that unit would be selfish, and every single skill is covered by it. Don’t be shortsighted looking for THIS years answer. THIS year means less than next year and the year after, and as you go on, getting Rubio makes a ton more sense than anyone else we could be talking about. Rubio seems to be available at the right price. Rubio is a gigantic step up from Bayless, and would fit the entirety of our starting unit much better. His long term prospects are much better than even Devin Harris. In 8 years Rubio will be
What they really need is a great young veteran PG, like…Devin HarrisHarris is 8 years older and doesn’t cover the entirety of skills we’d want from the position (deep threat). Rubio has shown that ability at merely 18 years of age. He’s 5 years into his professional career and him adjusting to this game shouldn’t take very long. This is a move you regret doing by next year. Put yourselves in the next years shoes when we don’t have the opportunity any longer to go after Rubio. You’re going to be regretting the point guard of the future which isn’t on your roster, and now you don’t even have the ability to get to put on your roster. Aside from our Big 5, everyone else’s value will go down because of lack of PT, and our multiple player packages will look like any other teams. Go milk what you can out of our potential while its still young and doesn’t seem unrealized.
by as11osu on Jun 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Everything I've ever read about Rubio from scouts...
…is that he can’t shoot. I agree with 90% of your posts (even though you’ve got OSU in you’re name – haha) but man, you love you some Rubio. And I don’t know why. Like so many others have pointed out, even Rudy isn’t impressed with him. And Rudy has gone on record saying that he thinks Sergio is a great player…
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Last year he shot 42% from 3 and 80% from the line
Shooting is one of the skills that can be learned. His innate passing skills and ability to run an offense and the pick and roll can’t. He’s got a gift. He’s also no slouch on the defensive end, something many point guards suffer from.
I’m sure you’ve already seen it, if you’re making these comments, but here’s a vid that makes you think this kid could be in store for big things…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU
His ability to hit bigs where they need to be hit is something with LMA and Oden coming into their prime you can’t just pass off as nothing. As good as Roy is, he doesn’t get guys shots like Rubio can. Rubio would also relieve a lot of the ball controlling duties that wear Roy down as games go on in addition to getting Roy wide open shots he didn’t have to work for. That would be quite the novelty.
This kid just has too much talent to pass on, I don't know what the Kings were thinking.
I accidentally posted this on another thread with this link
This video makes me drool uncontrollably “Ricky Rubio – Born To Be Wild”
It only has a few plays similar to your link. This link has some absolutely stellar plays in it.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
This interview is worth a listen
Rubio topic begins about :50 and ends around 1:40 or so.
The truth
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
True.
Getting someone to effectively feed the bigs is a huge part of what I want in whomever our PG will be. It’s just, I guess, you want to see these guys be excited to come play in the league period. If they want to end up in Miami or NY, come play for whomever drafts you, kick some butt, and then sign with them as a FA. If they want you, they will clear the cap space or do a sign and trade.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
It's not quite that simple
there has to be a compelling reason to come over for Rubio in the first place. He dropped from where he should’ve been (the #2 pick) to #5 costing him $4.5 million dollars. His buyout just to come over is $6 million, meaning his first three years in the league would just be paying that amount off. He NEEDS the Nike deal, he needs the gatorade deal, and all that extra stuff just to break even here. Going to the T’Wolve’s this year is a borderline decision for him financially. As much as anyone wants to play basketball, paying money to do it isn’t what he wants to be doing. He needs incentives, and he is perfectly able to just keep playing over in Spain if he wants to. It’s not a spoiled boy syndrome or whatever you’re trying to make it seem as. He’s already been a professional for 5 years now, this is his career, and just like NBA players, they look at this thing like business. Anyone that knocks Rubio for what’s going on, either doesn’t know the situation or doesn’t like the kid for one reason or another (He’s from Spain? He has long hair and is skinny? He talks about himself in third person?).
Sounds like he should stay in Spain
I mean seriously, if the guy is going to declare for the draft, give every indication he’s coming over, including negotiating his buyout, EXPECT to be drafted #2 and then whine and moan when he’s not BECAUSE of the money, than maybe he shouldn’t come over. He was drafted number 5, still pretty high in the draft. Besides, Minny drafted him to trade him, it seemed obvious from the get go. All he had to do was play along instead of screwing with his trade value now that everybody knows he needs to be traded.
Weak.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
What you call weak
everyone else in the NBA would call business as usual. These guys don’t play the game for free. The sooner people come around to accepting that, the better off we’d all be.
It's a draft
Not an exercise in free agency.
By pulling this business as usual move, he looks like an egotistical, meathead. Just like Francis. Just like Eli Manning. Just like John Elway. Etc.
It’s something that has always turned me off. It’s one thing to negotiate once you’re a free agent, but bitching about the team that chose him at #5? That’s weak.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
He has zero obligation to pay $6 million dollars to buy out his contract in Spain
It’s pretty self explanatory.
You wanted to draft Rubio, maybe you should’ve talked to him first. Just maybe…
He can defend
No prospect is like him right now…
Hope he could become the No.1 PG sometime.
Our 2R are basketball geniuses-Roy and Rudy
Hrm....
I am not sold on Rubio, I would rather go after a point guard that wont blow away when a breeze goes through the Garden. He has got cool tricks, I will give him that but from what I can tell nothing uber-amazing. I think if we can stick with Blake and wait to see what Bayless can become as a point guard, we will still do pretty darn good.
Bayless has the fire we need for this team.
Just a year or two and you’ll see. He is a pro. A winner. We will be good with him. No need to gut our bench for Rubio.
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
I think the key to Bayless' success will be his determination
Natural talent can only get you so far. His incredible work ethic will ensure that he finds a place in the league.
lots of failed players have "incredible work ethic"
sorry, i’m not starting it with you, but the phrase is used over and over here. the same exact words as if they’re magic. well, bayless had plenty of time during this last season to work on his shot, and however many shots he put up in a gym with his incredible work ethic this didn’t translate into him being able to hit them wide open in a game.
again: lot and lots of players have “incredible work ethic”. but i saw grounds for pessimism in bayless’s outside shot.
ignacio
Playing inconsistent spot minutes screws with numbers
A bunch of short stints do nothing for a players rhythm.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
I’m not sure if you can put 2 polls up? or if it’s too late?
It might be interesting to put up a poll in contrast to that poll which asks if Rubio was on the board (assuming we made some small contribution to move up a little, or better yet, assuming we actually had the #5 pick) would you want to draft him. Then see how the 2 polls pan out against each other.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
Seems to me like Rubio is mostly worried about
the basketball situation, not market size. He seemed happy enough about possibly going to OKC or Sactown.
Exactly
if Minnesota hadn’t have drafted Johnny Flynn right after him, I doubt this is an issue. Not only did they take Rubio fifth and then put him in a small market, but their first move was to immediately undermine his spot on the team. It’s not like they took Curry or Evans or someone who could easily slide over and play SG. Flynn can’t play anywhere else but PG.
So much of Rubio’s long term financial stability rests on him being able to earn that second contract. It’s not exactly a vote of confidence for them to draft someone who can only play his position immediately after him.
That seems like an obvious situation
The TW’s drafted Rubio to trade, that much seemed pretty obvious. All he had to do was play along….
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
If you acknowledge that the TW's drafted Rubio to trade him
than Rubio’s BEST option is to lower his trade value. The more he screams about a trade, the lower his price becomes, and the better off the team that trades for him will be after that trade (because they won’t have to give up as much for him).
Given the circumstances I’d have put money on Rubio to have done everything he’s currently done. It’s just business.
I'm not someone who usually presents hypothetical trades
in fact I try to avoid speculation and wait and see, but this situation seems fairly easy to see who might go where — IF you think ricky rubio fits the blazers. i think we could keep blake at the same time, incidentally.
ignacio
hmmm.
hes nice… but…..
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* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...
Portland should be praying that Johny Flynn explodes
Rubio will never play for Minnesota if Flynn is the point guard. They will not play the two together. The Blazers theoretically could then pick him up in a year or so.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
Too pricey, and is he even a good fit in Nate’s slow offense?
He is a run and gun type best suited for New York.
B.S. Liberal Studies OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
Yes. Because being known as the one of the best pick and roll
point guards in the world including the NBA obviously means he won’t know what to do in a half court set playing with a big man who has good hands and can explode towards the basket.
by howlingfantods on Jun 29, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

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