KP, Please don't sign Hedo!!! I beg you!
With all the hype surrounding Hedo Turkoglu as a possible free agent, I think we as Blazer fans need to step back and realize what it would mean for us.
Hedo is a 30yr old free agent that wants a 5 year, 50 million dollar contract. Folks this is why teams go from promise to failure in a matter of years. 50 million for a guy that is leaving his prime is bad business!! Have you seen the Yankees lately?! We don't need to over pay for a player that only brings one part of his game that we want, ball handling. Yes Hedo thrived in the Magic's system, but folks if he was playing in our system, which is the slowest offense in the NBA, he wouldn't be thriving. He would be an overpaid, slow defensive 3 point shooter. The Magic play a freewheeling, 3 pt shooting style of basketball that is great for Hedo, and thats very important considering what the team is looking for.
Consider this, Hedo was a member of San Antonio, if one team is similar in style its the Blazers. Looking at Hedo's numbers you realize that he is thriving in the Magic system for a reason.
|
YR |
TM |
G |
GS |
MIN |
FG |
FG% |
3P |
3P% |
FT |
FT% |
STL |
BLK |
TO |
PF |
OFF |
DEF |
TOT |
AST |
PTS |
|
03-04 |
SAS |
80 |
44 |
25.9 |
3.3-8.1 |
.406 |
1.3-3.0 |
.419 |
1.4-2.0 |
.708 |
1.0 |
0.4 |
1.2 |
2.1 |
0.7 |
3.8 |
4.5 |
1.9 |
9.2 |
These numbers give a much clearer picture of what Hedo could bring to the Blazers, 40% 3pt shooting, 10 pts a game and so on. People have this idea that he can drive and finish at the hole, well maybe in the east, but his drives are pretty pathetic and make Rudy look like Lebron going to the hole!
Hedo is a poor defender and is hidden by Howard’s ability to block shots; this is something the Blazers "don't" need! They need someone that can defend the 3 and the bigger guards like Kobe, and Lebron.
More than all this is the money that will be involved in signing him. One of the most important aspects of business and running an organization is don't be stuck with something that is out dated and overpriced. Well, this is it folks! In 2 years, Hedo will be out of his prime completely, he won't be able to guard anyone, much less take someone off the dribble, but he will still be owed 30 million dollars!!! If its me, I'll pass in a heartbeat!!
If the Blazers see fit to get a small forward of some sorts, then go get the likes of Tayshawn Prince. A year younger and his salary will only be 9 million for 2 more years. At 31 you can then decide what direction you go, if you resign him or turn to a up and coming Batum full time. He can defend, drive, shoot, brings leadership, and has won an NBA championship!
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G |
MIN |
FGM |
FG% |
3PM-A |
3P% |
FTM-A |
FT% |
OFF |
DEF |
TOT |
STL |
BLK |
TO |
PF |
AST |
||
|
n |
82 |
37.3 |
459-1020 |
.450 |
56-141 |
.397 |
189-243 |
.778 |
1.6 |
4.2 |
5.8 |
.54 |
.62 |
1.23 |
1.27 |
3.1 |
He averages 2 pts less, plays 10 times better defense, and shoots better from the 3 pt line. He can create off the dribble, and yes he doesn't do it nearly as much as Hedo, but also isn't asked too.
Another interesting tid bit of Hedo, he is known to take off games. One day he’ll come in and play a great game, another he will just go through the motions. That’s the last thing you need on a young team. You need leadership, examples of who to follow, like Chauncy Billups, and Tayshawn Prince.
From a financial stand point, why commit to giving someone 50 million for the last 5 years of their career. It just doesn't make good business sense and in the end we will be like the Blazers of the past, trying to get these guys on the downside of their careers in hopes of winning something! Yet when you do this, you’re throwing all your eggs into one basket and banking on Hedo to be the answer, when statistics show that its most likely not gonna happen.
Your thoughts Blazer fans?!
Go Blazers
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I concur
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
by SpyderRyder on Jun 27, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I put this in the fanshot about Hedo opting out
Reasons why we shouldn’t get Hedo
1. He’s 30. Why spend our FA dollars on a guy who will only decline in coming seasons?
2. We don’t need to add offense. Hedo is a crafty scorer, but we need better defense.
3. He’s not as good as people think. Hedo had a very solid year when he won MIP. This season, however, is a different story. His PER was under 15. Outlaw, on the other hand, had a PER of just over 15. He’s taller and stronger than Outlaw yet rebounds at the same rate. Hedo’s 3 point shooting took a 5% hit this year (down to 35.6%) and his TS% puts him in the same company as Jamal Crawford, Von Wafer and our own Travis Outlaw, among others. For a guy whose calling card is offense that isn’t a good sign.
4. One of his unique talents, playing point forward, isn’t a need for our team. Orlando would often put the ball in Hedo’s hands in late game situations, but we already have Roy doing that.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 27, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 17 recs
Sums it up very well.
He’s inefficient on offense (where we’re already good) and useless on defense (where we need to improve).
Rec.
by austinpwnz on Jun 28, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd infinity to the infinitieth power.
I don’t want him anywhere near this team. We have no problem scoring. The toughness will come next and the year after. We need DEFENDERS. For the love of god please do not sign him!!!!!!!!!!
I am literally terrified by the thought of us wasting our hard earned ( and now precious after the Darius Miles fiasco ) cap space on a 30 year old that plays wretched defense. Please no. No! No!!!!!!!!!!!
by dario argento on Jun 27, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok I'm calm now. I am now confident there is no way KP signs him. I mean if people on here can deduce how his strengths and weaknesses probably would affect this team imagine how quickly KP will move on after evaluating the possibilty.
by dario argento on Jun 27, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way he is our target
no matter what the media says
by Falcao on Jun 27, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
with him not being our target regardless of what the media is say (actually that helps to further prove he is not our target from my point of view) I just wish they would stop saying it already!!! I have a minor panic attack everytime I think Hedo in a Blazer uniform.
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 27, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, ha, ha - Falcao you are such a kidder
OK now, everybody, we all know – especially any General Mangers or other front office personnel of teams other than the Blazers that might be lurking here – that Turkoglu is the Blazers’ target. There is no debate about that. For any of you aforementioned NBA personnel, you just have to understand that Falcao is always sarcastic and should never be taken literally.
So, it appears that other teams should definitely make their plans for the upcoming season as if Hedo were already a Blazer. As they strategize on how to match up with the Blazers, they need to put all their efforts into programs that will target stopping Turkoglu. They should forget about ‘contingency plans’ in case Hedo doesn’t sign with the Blazers – it’s a given. If there’s a player that will play well against Hedo but do pretty much lousy against any other SF – hey, no worries! They should go and get him to prepare for the Blazers.
by Storyteller on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Who is the best Hedo stopper in the league? Ariza? Odom?
Teams should make very high offers to both of them.
by Norsktroll on Jun 27, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I have it on good authority
that the Hedo-stopper is Othello Hunter. He absolutely shut Turkoglu down when the Hawks played the Magic. Every team in the Western Conference has to consider at least a MLE-level offer to Hunter for that reason alone – and pray that the Hawks don’t match it!
by Storyteller on Jun 27, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's like Steve Blake in a sf body
I like Hedo (I’d like him more if they had beaten the l*kers) but all his problems are the reasons we’re talking about needing to upgrade point guard. If people get on Steve Blake for his defense, imagine how you’ll feel about a guy who’s making 10 mil a season and is supposed to be the “final piece” every time someone blows by him. I want KP to use the cap space on somebody who the first or second thing said about him defense.
by terryisntbald on Jun 27, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He is like Dirk Nowitzki in a SF body
Then again Dirk is a SG in a PF/C body :-)
In seriousness, Dirk crushes Hedo in terms of rebounding. Their man to man defense is suspect for both. They both can hit crazy shots and free throws at a high rate. They both handle the ball well for a player their size. They both can get to the rim but not as often as other players on their position (though Dirk draws a ton of fouls both with jumpers and drives).
Yeah, in short I’m not Hedo’s biggest fans. Ever since he and Okur demanded their own limousine with a driver at the Eurobasket back home in Turkey when they both played pretty badly and threw their teammates under (or in) the proverbial bus.
by Norsktroll on Jun 27, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think these media outlets that hear Portland is interested
more about putting this team with that player together. Rather than having a real source?
I just don’t see the Blazers wasting 50 million on an aging player, when Hinrich 28, Prince 29 and others are available.
It doesn’t pass the smell test when you consider Kevin Pritchard and company.
by TeamChemistry on Jun 27, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am so glad you put this all so clearly
I am totally against getting Hedo. I agree that it would be a huge mistake. He is just not the guy you spend that money on.
by twggyy on Jun 27, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Turkoglu is the only player that's in the N.B.A. finals who is so out of shape
’’He’s the only player that’s in the N.B.A. finals who is so out of shape,‘’ Johnson said. ’’For the minutes that he plays, that’s almost impossible, but somehow he manages to find a way. Eating pizza before the game, every game, that’s unheard of.’’
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9406E0D81431F93AA35755C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
This is what worries me most. I LOVE his game right now, but it is pretty clear that he doesn’t work hard on conditioning and fitness. The people who play successfully later into their 30s are usually fitness freaks.
I fear a steep drop off in production.
That said, I truly love his game at this moment. I would be hard pressed to argue if we got him and would enjoy watching him until the dropoff in production happened.
I’m much more interested in who we get for the PG as I’m ok with our SFs.
by grigs on Jun 27, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We all agree
Hedo is not the right player for the Blazers and we have so many SF already anyway.
by Sungari on Jun 27, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My dream Hedo scenario...
I just posted this elsewhere, but here’s how Hedo could help us.
3-way trade
assumption #1 – Hedo signs for $6.5-$7M per year. Who is going to pay him more?
assumption #2 – Pistons like Hedo at that price and are still trying to clear cap space. Remember that they just gave away a promising young PF in Amir Johnson.
Outlaw to the Magic, Hedo to the Pistons, Tayshaun Prince to the Blazers!!!
Probably unrealistic, but it would help the Pistons if they needed a little more $$ under the cap (saves them over $3M) to finish their acquisitions. Carter is going to play a lot at the 2 for the Magic, they could use depth at both the 3 and the 4. Eats up our cap space and still don’t have a new PG, but if the Piston sign Ben Gordon and the Bulls hang on to Hinrich… none of the remaining PGs excite me as much as Prince.
by 52therim on Jun 27, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's good to want things
Hedo wants $50M, but who’s going to pay it in this climate? Not Orlando with their shiny new toy at SF. Not Detroit, who wants to rebuild.
Sorry Turk, but you’re probably looking at more like $20M over 3 years.
by Engineering Problem on Jun 27, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll pass on him.
I’d rather spend the money elsewhere.
by JoeBlazer on Jun 27, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a price at which the Hedo Haters would like to get him?
If he is willing to do a 3 year deal at just a little over a MLE deal… say $6.5M and the Magic do a S&T for Outlaw. That would only eat up $3M of our cap space.
I’m still not sure it’s the right move. It clogs up the 3 postion with Martell and Nic something fierce. If you are not a Martell believer it might make sense, but it doesn’t leave us with a lot of cap space. We would be left with less than a MLE (maybe a bit more). Could we still get a Kidd/Miller/Bibby/Sessions??
by 52therim on Jun 27, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Hedo opt out at 7 million to get 6.5??
by TeamChemistry on Jun 27, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He opted out to get $10M+ per year...
He just didn’t find any takers. He took a calculated risk and I think he gonna lose on his gamble.
It’s not a big loss. He’ll get close to what he was supposed to make and a longer deal. If he gets some career ending injury next season, he’ll be glad he got the extension. If he has another career year… maybe he’ll do it as a Blazer on a “below-market” deal. That would be OK too.
by 52therim on Jun 27, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the media all thought Portland was going to draft DeJuan Blair
Maybe they’ll be just as “right” about Hedo
(hope so)
by two4larue on Jun 27, 2009 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want the Blazers to sign Hedo
does that make you a Hedonist?
by raoulduke on Jun 27, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
ghahahahaha
Give the man his recs guys. Green this post up.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Jun 27, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont get HEDO!
Too old, bad D, too spendy.
Focus on a PG like Miller, or get Gerald Wallace!
by TyboOSU on Jun 27, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto on G Wallace
He’s 26 and $9.5M for three years (player option for same on fourth year). I’d much rather bet on him.
As mentioned by others, our real needs is at PG. I’m not sold on Miller as The Answer, although I’m not completely against it either if that is all we can do. However, this seems to be a year for opportunists. We should see whether that is true soon . . . .
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
TP over HEDO ANYDAY!
I would way rather have Prince over Hedo anyday. Prince is a vet, he played on a championship team. He would be a great mentor. TP was on the 2004 team that smoked the L*kers and LA had Malone. Payton, Shaq and Kobe. Hedo is a good player but would not fit our system, plus costs to much $.
by cavejunctionblazer on Jun 28, 2009 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo Turkey
Let’s face it, the guy is a turkey on the defensive end. He is slow an lazy on defense. He also needs a lot of touches. He is not as efficient as Travis Outlaw.
24.08 PER – Brandon Roy
19.13 PER – LaMarcus Alridge
18.13 PER – Greg Oden
15.50 PER – Rudy Fernandez
15.15 PER – Travis Outlaw 45.3%FG, 37.7%3PT
14.82 PER – Hedo Turkey 41.3%FG, 35.6%3PT
12.92 PER – Nic Batum 44.6%FG, 36.9%3PT
by Balian on Jun 28, 2009 12:17 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I <3 the PER numbers
The players I’d be interested in acquiring (at the right price):
hinrich
D Harris
TP
A backup PF would be nice, but I’m not too concerned about a player that will only get 8-12 minutes in games that matter. (his mpg may get inflated during blow outs)
A defensively strong PG with a decent shot at threes (when wide open) and excellent ball handling seems the most prudent option. Other than that a serious lock down defender like prince would also be helpful, though I think PG has more merit. Nic will do well enough, and if we still have outlaw/webster, we have plenty of back up in case of injury.
I’ve heard the case of “a great PG is not needed to win a championship”, but I also saw the counter argument of starting PGs who have won a championship in the last 20 years. There is hardly a single name on there that isn’t an all-star when you remove teams that were coached by phil jackson. Virtually every non-all star PG to win a championship was paired with jordan or kobe and under the direction of jackson. The triangle offense made the position largely irrelevant. The players on those teams were talented enough they might have won under a different direction, but those teams ALL had an MVP candidate handling the ball (jordan/kobe), or SHAQ in his prime (00-02). Given the absence of those things, teams that win championships do it by having a PG who can dictate control of the game by excellent all around play. Hinrich maybe good enough to do it in our system, Harris would certainly get us there at the right price, but is likely unattainable at said price.
by lurtsman on Jun 28, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"There is hardly a single name on there that isn’t an all-star when you remove teams that were coached by phil jackson."
That’s because Phil had teams with amazing SGs (Kobe and MJ) that he played using the triangle offense, which didn’t use a traditional PG (or maybe even a dominant ball-handler).
I think the argument is similar to the one about winning Superbowls without a Pro-bowl QB. It’s happened a few times, but its pretty rare.
by ninjasocks on Jun 28, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not too concerned about a player that will only get 8-12 minutes in games
The importance of having a quality backup PF/C cannot be overemphasized when it comes to playoff time. KP shouldn’t scrimp in this area, like last year. Pendergraph and Cunningham are rookies, to count on them contributing heavily in the playoff rotation next April/May is not wise
by two4larue on Jun 28, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what is our backup PF
really going to have to do?
Basically rebound and score hustle baskets while playing passable defense at the end of the 1st and 3rd quarters. Not the most crunch minutes and tasks that do not require a ton of thought.
Basically, a backup PF is not in charge of a lot of stuff to screw up.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jun 29, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
starting PGs who have won a championship in the last 20 years
The Blazer’s starting PG should have at least a 15 PER. That’s not Steve Blake. But I like him as a reserve just fine, and we all know how Nate loves his PG’s to produce a healthy A/TO ratio
by two4larue on Jun 28, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you posted this
The idea of Hedo hogging all of Nic’s minutes next year angers me. Tayshaun I wouldn’t mind so much.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jun 28, 2009 1:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely -
Our free agent $$$ would be much better spend on D. Harris.
by kacee on Jun 28, 2009 6:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I, too, will sign this petition, for I want nothing to do with Hedo Turkoglu.
I won’t rec it, though, because I’m also against bringing in Tayshaun Prince.
At this moment, I’m still riding around on the Kirk Hinrich or bust bandwagon.
by AK1984 on Jun 28, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how a pro Hedo thread just popped up.
This place is always amusing.
by JoeBlazer on Jun 28, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it popped up by someone who joined BE today...
I like how BloggaBull has a 24 hour waiting period for such trolls
by In Walks Rudy on Jun 28, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going after a SF I want Childress. I don’t really understand the Hedo love. He is a decent offensive player and not much else. We already have one of the most efficient offenses in the league. We need to improve our defense more than anything else.
by malarky on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no possible way I could agree to this post ....
any more than I do. NO HEDO!
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jun 28, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice that all ten of you agree, but
I’ve been saying since the beginning of this past season that Hedo would be the perfect addition to this team and I still believe that. There seems to be three main arguments against him here. 1) The Magic are a fast break team that uniquely fits Hedo’s game, and Portland isn’t. 2) He is a player who handles the ball alot and we don’t need that. 3) He’s too costly. 4) He’s too old.
As to #1, I think its inaccurate to say that the Magic are a fastbreak team. What they are is a team that plays inside out. Dwight Howard creates inside while the three point shooters wait for the kick out pass. That’s exactly how Portland plays. Hedo can drive it, and he can hit the three. (Including the clutch three as the Blazers found out – I was at that game.)
As to #2, Having players who can handle the ball is a good thing. I don’t subscribe to this theory that if Hedo is on the team then Brandon won’t be able to get the ball enough. Having multiple ball handlers is a good thing, and Hedo’s ability to play the point forward would lessen our need for a point guard. It would also force teams to account for two talented ball handlers (Brandon and Hedo) particularly in clutch situations. Both can hit the clutch three as well.
As to #3, Hedo may want a $50 million contract but that doesn’t mean he’ll get anything close to that. And in fact he won’t. There’s a good article in the Oregonian today that details how its a terrible year to be a free agent because of the economy. Players will not be getting what they think they are worth. That will be a function of the market.
As to #4, Yes he’s 30 years old. I think his style of play is the type that will allow him to play well for four or five more years. Another way of putting it is that he’s experienced. Everyone says this team needs an experienced veteran, well… Hedo’s been through alot of seasons and alot of playoff series. I think his wisdom and basketball IQ would be invaluable for this team.
I’m not saying I think it will happen, but it might. And if it does, I think you will all be proven wrong, which would be a good thing for all Blazers fans.
by ajinoregon on Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets take a closer look at your points
(As to #1, I think its inaccurate to say that the Magic are a fastbreak team. What they are is a team that plays inside out. Dwight Howard creates inside while the three point shooters wait for the kick out pass. That’s exactly how Portland plays.)
- Magic are an OUTSIDE – IN team, shooting the 3 first, then trying to open up the middle for Howard. No they arn’t a fast breaking team, they are a free wheeling team that shoots whenever they feel like it. They play more of a rap ball style, completely contrary to the Blazers, who play a controlled style, and have been moving slowly going inside out.
As to #2, Having players who can handle the ball is a good thing. I don’t subscribe to this theory that if Hedo is on the team then Brandon won’t be able to get the ball enough. Having multiple ball handlers is a good thing, and Hedo’s ability to play the point forward would lessen our need for a point guard. It would also force teams to account for two talented ball handlers (Brandon and Hedo) particularly in clutch situations. Both can hit the clutch three as well.
- there is no problem having someone that can handle the ball, thats not the issue. The issue is Hedo worth $50 million dollars?!! The answer is quite simple… NO NO and oh yeah NO!!!
As to #3, Hedo may want a $50 million contract but that doesn’t mean he’ll get anything close to that. And in fact he won’t. There’s a good article in the Oregonian today that details how its a terrible year to be a free agent because of the economy. Players will not be getting what they think they are worth. That will be a function of the market.
- He may not get $50 million, but he will get a 5 year contract! Why be the team to be stuck with him in 3 years when he is old and over the hill. Thats not good business!!
As to #4, Yes he’s 30 years old. I think his style of play is the type that will allow him to play well for four or five more years. Another way of putting it is that he’s experienced. Everyone says this team needs an experienced veteran, well… Hedo’s been through alot of seasons and alot of playoff series. I think his wisdom and basketball IQ would be invaluable for this team.
- Hedo is 30 and his style may allow him to play longer, but not his work ethic! Hedo is known for being lazy, eats whatever he wants, doesn’t work out like those who really succeed in their 30’s do. To top it off, he is known for taking off games, thats the LAST thing you want on a young team. That sends the WRONG message and isn’t what the Blazers want, an OVERPAID, LAZY BUTT, who takes games off!!!
Why not just sign Lamar Odom???!
by TeamChemistry on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple of other points
Turk’s first name should be He-o because “everybody” knows there’s no “D” in Hedo
Nate’s offense would have to be completely revamped to accomodate a point forward. Does McMillian strike you as a guy who will want to scrap his “the SF waits in the corner until receiving the pass and then shoots the trey” offense? Turk could be “that” kind of spot-up shooter (he was, in Sac-town) but you’d be overspending for his services and under-utilizing his potential, in Nate’s current offense
by two4larue on Jun 28, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are other arguments which you've overlooked
1. Hedo isn’t an efficient player. 14.8 PER.
2. The point about his style is well taken. It’s not dependent on athleticism and he’s not like Kobe who have tons of playoff games weighing down on them. However, why get a 30 year old who will only be declining when there are better fits who are younger.
3. We don’t need an additional ball handler or scoring threat as much as we need better perimeter defense.
4. Regardless of how much money he command in the market this off season it will still eat into most (if not all) of our cap space. This is the only deal we can make under the cap; everything else will require a trade. I think there are better free agents we can get than an aging, inefficient, no D, point forward.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 28, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hedo's agent is floating the rumors about Portland signing him...
…in order to try and bid up the value of his services. I give it about a 1% chance of happening, and that’s only if we get him for a fairly inexpensive deal, and as part of a bigger picture.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Counterpoint:
oops, can’t hit enter after typing the title…
Anyway – To the extent that Hedo would bring a different & more freewheeling element to the Blazers often stagnant and predictable offense, that would be a very positive thing. Charles Barkley and others have leveled the criticism that the Blazers are strictly a jumpshooting team. Say what you will about Hedo, but one thing he is not is a jumpshooter. He drives the lane to create his own shot, and he cans the threes when he gets the kick out pass.
Nate is not so stuck in his ways that he isn’t willing to introduce a slightly different element that will help the team. For example he implemented the rule requiring that the players get the ball across mid-court and get into their offense in a certain period of time. Sure, it’s not the Suns eleven second rule but it shows there is interest in pushing the tempo on offense. The players like Rudy and Brandon who can create their own shots are the ones that do the most good for the Blazers’ offense. Hedo brings that in spades.
As for Hedo’s eating habits – If eating junk food prior to games makes a player lazy and selfish then you’d better throw Brandon Roy and many other Blazers into that category as well. I remember in Jason Quick’s locker room series a story about Brandon eating chicken strips and fries before a game. He said that’s what he always eats because its the only thing that keeps him full for the whole game. Personally I couldn’t care less what Hedo eats before games. The dude can play ball, and that’s all I care about.
As far as him taking games off, there must not have been very many of those because the guy averages almost twenty points a game, with good assist numbers too. The stats don’t lie. As far as character generally, we know Hedo’s not going to be out there breaking the law. He may not be Brandon Roy, but not many are. I think this team is strong enough to handle whatever character sortcomings Hedo may have. There was serious talk about bringing in Ron Artest for God’s sake.
by ajinoregon on Jun 28, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have made some good points about why Hedo might be a good fit, but you haven't addressed the most important negative aspect of his game.
The thing that is a deal breaker at his position. The fact that Hedo’s defense in embarrassing. Yes, he blocked Kobe once in the finals, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. A small / hybrid forward has to be able to defend, period. We had the most efficient offense in the NBA last year. We don’t need huge upgrades on offense, we need defense, and Hedo does not do that well. That is case closed for me.
by dario argento on Jun 28, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stats are lying a little bit
He averages 17 points a game with lower efficiency than Travis Outlaw. And the biggest thing, is that he is ABSOLUTELY a jump shooter and while he is a point forward he gets most of his shots from jumpers.
Him relying on jumpers is precisely why he is so in-efficient, and the “team of jump shooters” that Sir Charles has anointed us would get even worse with Hedo. He can get to the basket, but it isn’t that often, and he shoots less than 50% close to the hoop. That isn’t good.
He is a good player, and a guy who can bring the ball up court and initiate the offense in a 6’10" body. That is really cool. But, he isn’t a very good shooter, an overall average playmaker, and a bad defender. We just don’t need what he does well, and what he does poorly (relies on most jumpers, shoots a bad or mediocre percentage from everywhere, bad defender at a very important position) would really hurt us.
Here’s his hotspots chart: Click here, bring up the Magic, scroll to Hedo.
Here is some of his basic stats: His scoring and percentage took a good-sized dip this recent season.
If we were a team that needed scoring more than defense, I’d say we should take a harder look at him. But, he wouldn’t make what we do well much better (if at all, since he’s rather inefficient and probably overrated as a shooter) and he would really hurt us defensively, since you take out our best defender (Batum) and put in a very weak one.
He’s a good player, so it’s not a knock on him, just not a good fit.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jun 28, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT SIGN HEDO!
There’s no way, he’s too overblown right now & would cost a fortune. 5 yrs @ $50mil is pure insanity for a 30yr old who was only “hot” for the playoffs. NO THANKS.
by 5Blazers5 on Jun 29, 2009 1:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been on the Tayshaun bandwagon for ever.
No Turkyglu.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Jun 29, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Hedo at the price he's demanding
SF is already jammed up, and 5/50 is insane. Now, if KP uses some SF assets to trade for a starting PG upgrade, Hedo might make sense if the price is right, but I’d rather go with Martell or Nic as the starter, for economic, age, and skill set (not knocking Hedo’s game, but as others have discussed, in large part what he does well we don’t have a glaring need for and what he can’t do we need) reasons.
Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009
by blazeraddict on Jun 29, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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