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PG spot is log-jammed, what happens?

Like most, if not all, here, believe that the PG spot needs improvement. A veteran PG, defensive minded PG, quick PG, and etc. etc.

We, again, after trading Sergio Rodriguez, have 3 PGs: Steve Blake, Jerryd Bayless and Patrick Mills.

I'm personally on the Kirk Hinrich bandwagon and believe he is attainable and would offer us an ideal amount of improvements. But I also would like us to keep Blake as his back up and I'm sure Nate sees it that way. From what I remember reading, the franchise is/was keen on keeping Blake, which was mentioned after he had shoulder surgery.

This is where it gets confusing or interesting. What happens if Hinrich is acquired? Trades aside or included. If Blake is likely to stay, does that mean the rotation would be Hinrich, Blake, Bayless or Mills? My intuition tells me Mills gets cut or traded in this situation. But will keeping Bayless at the 3rd spot hinder his growth? Most likely. With all this non-sense commotion on Hedo Turkoglu, is Hinrich sliding out of the picture? Is PG really a FA target? I still believe so but I'm weary now. I believe we are not after any back up PFs in the FA market, as we just drafted two PFs, nor should we be focusing on any SFs (ie Turkoglu). Though, is the franchise looking to replace Outlaw if he's sent away? Is that why we are focusing so much on Turkoglu? I vaguely remember KP saying (in this Article):

"We'll keep them," Pritchard said. "I can't see a scenario where we don't. They've been terrific for us this year. They were major parts of 54 wins. We'll pick them up."

Although, this could just be praise to keep their trade worth high. I guess what it really comes down to is our future outlook. Does the franchise believe Bayless is the future PG? Or are they looking to compete now, while slowly and I mean slowly develop Bayless, by keeping Blake ahead of him in the rotation while acquiring Hinrich. Is Mills insurance in the Summer League if Bayless doesn't produce? So many questions, so little answers.

I know many of you see that Blake is a trade asset in acquiring another PG. Do you see that changing with KP expressing his satisfaction towards Blake? Would you prefer to keep Mills as a 3rd string PG, making our quality of depth at the spot lower? Or keep Blake and have quality depth at the 1? I think the latter is much more ideal.

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Mills has his passport

If possible I believe KP is going to send Mills overseas for a couple years to let him marinate. That leaves 2 PGs, one who deserves minutes, the other who needs them. I think to grab a meaningful FA we have to get rid of one, but if that doesn’t work out, we’re not in bad shape assuming we sign a cheap backup in case of injury.

by Decaf on Jun 27, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

KP mentioned that because Mills is from Australia

we can stash him overseas even though he’s a college guy.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on Jun 27, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

can't we do that with any guy?

does he have to already have played internationally?

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 27, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless is the future, not the now

I expect Hinrich and Blake will make a dynamite duo; 48 minutes from hell. Chicago will take Outlaw for Hinrich because they can save 5 mil in cap space and with Outlaw and Salmons they finally, finally feel confident to trade Luol the disappointment Deng. Further, we can acquire Hedo without a trade leaving us free to sign and trade Fry + cash for Turiaf. It looks like this:

Oden/Przybilla
Aldredge/Turiaf
Hedo/Webster/Batum
Roy/Fernandez
Hinrich/Blake/Bayless

This lineup covers any injury time and will be solid for the next 3-4 barring trades. The guards and small fowards are completely interchangeable as are the bigs. This is a championship caliber team.

by oregonslee on Jun 27, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Blake, if he's the backup

is going to get just as ripped as Sergio did last year. Steve is a horrible fit on that second unit. You’ve got to have at least one guy on the team that can break down other players on the perimeter. Rudy and Martell probably aren’t going to be that. It’s a very easy trait to find in a point guard, but just isn’t in Steve’s repertoire. The bottom line for this team is Blake just has to be gone. Nate goes to him by default, he isn’t starter level talent, and he’s not a fit if he’s not starting.

by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The negativity coming from your direction

follows you from every comment you post . It’s almost predictable. Please don’t post behind me again, unless you have a remotely polite comment.

by oregonslee on Jun 27, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you have some reasoning for why what I posted was incorrect

please feel free to share that. I’m allowed to post positive and negative thoughts about this team and its players as I see fit. I’m on record as saying that I think championships are in this teams future. That’s pretty positive IMO.

by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Blake has his faults...

and may not be what we are looking for in a PG to guide us to the title.

But he would be a more than adequate backup PG. He’s not getting torched like Sergio. I understand where you are coming from with your comment, but I think Blake has shown he can have reasonable success with a number of different types of players around him.

by 52therim on Jun 27, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly not the case
But he would be a more than adequate backup PG. He’s not getting torched like Sergio. I understand where you are coming from with your comment, but I think Blake has shown he can have reasonable success with a number of different types of players around him.

Blake’s numbers without Roy the last two years are horrendous. He’s depends entirely on being paired with Brandon Roy for success.

These are where I found Blake lineups without Roy…
http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR1.HTM#5man
http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR15.HTM#5man
http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR1B.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR6.HTM#5man
http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR12.HTM#5man
http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR11B.HTM
64 minutes = -4 points
60 minutes = -6 points
52 minutes = -9 points
21 minutes = +4 points
4 minutes = -3 points
80 minutes = -13 points
59 minutes = -1 points
57 minutes = -28 points
3 minutes = -5 points
3 minutes = 0 points
2 minutes = 0 points
39 minutes = -6 points

Grand Total = 444 Minutes and -71 points

-8 points per 48 without Roy

Our second unit needs someone that can create at the point guard spot. Blake simply isn’t able to do that. It’s nice to say that since he’s not a starting quality point guard he’d be a good backup, but simply put, here in Portland, he wouldn’t be. At least not with the guys we presume to have on the team. This becomes an even bigger problem if and when Przybilla moves to the second unit. Blake – Rudy – Martell – Outlaw – Przybilla has no chance of putting up points at any kind of reasonable rate. No one can get anyone else open shots. We’d essentially be stuck with whatever Outlaw can give us one on one, and I think we can all agree that isn’t acceptable.

by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are making a very good point

Blake’s primary strength is as a spot up shooter. Without Roy to get him open and get him the ball, Steve’s production is likely going to fall off significantly.

If the Blazers second unit is PG, Rudy, Martell, Pendergraph, Pryz, we need a PG who can penetrate and draw defenders to create open shots for his teammates, If Steve is the PG on that unit, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to foresee a whole lot of contested jumpers coming. Nobody in that lineup is particularly gifted at getting to the rim or creating their own shot off the dribble. Even if Trout is still here, do you want Trout to be the only guy on the 2nd unit who can get his own shot? I don’t want to watch Trout force shot after shot.

Bayless is such a good penetrator that he will draw defenders. If he can get the ball to Rudy and Martell for open jumpers on the perimeter, that unit could be pretty effective.

by upper left corner on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve is a horrible fit on that second unit.

I hear what you’re saying, but I think Steve will be staying (Al Sharpton, I’m not)

1st unit, 2nd unit, what are we talking about, here? There’s always going to be rotational overlap, and “who plays alongside who” will vary, depending on the matchups. The Blazers had a great scoring bench last year, something like 34 ppg, IIRC. Is that optimal, or does it mean the starters weren’t exactly getting it done? Pryz and Batum in the starting lineup had something to do with the bench “outscoring” the starters, versus the league average ratio. The bench unit also “ran” more than the starters, thanks mostly to Sergio and Rudy. Is that something that really needs to continue, next season? Or would Blake as a backup (assuming KP brings in Hinrich and Kirk wins the starting job) help the bench get into the set offense better and feed Rudy and Martell for jumpers coming off screens, rather than play draw and kick, or pick and roll?

I have no idea, but I do think Blake will be around (my Devin Harris man-crush notwithstanding) and he’ll be something less than “horrible” with the second unit, if he’s not the starter (as I hope…)

by two4larue on Jun 27, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm afraid of

keeping Blake around to be a backup, using the logic that he’s not quite a starter, so thus he’s a backup. When Roy isn’t out on the court Blake isn’t very good. No one else on the teams second unit can create. And like it or not, Nate plays with units. I actually think given what would be on the second unit, that Sergio actually would’ve been better than Blake (Rudy, Webster, Outlaw, Przybilla). With 3 guys that can knock down the 3 and Sergio getting people the ball when they’re open. It’s basically the same argument we often hear on Blake’s side when we talk about our starting unit and how well he fits into it. Sometimes fit matters, and it’s definitely not on Blake’s side if he doesn’t get to play with Roy out there.

I also believe Blake will be around, despite the fact we could get more value for him now than he’ll be to us when we’re in our championship window.

by as11osu on Jun 28, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

when does Outlaw's

contract become guaranteed?

Doe anyone know?

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 27, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like end of june

so we would have to make the trade quick if Chicago wants a salary dump, but then again they can get a salary dump when we get cap space as well.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 27, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

player coach

Has anyone mentioned the idea of making Blake a player / assistant coach, trading Outlaw and whatever for Hinrich and using Bayless as 2nd string while we develop Mills. I know it would use up an extra slot for a fourth point guard but it might be just the inducement Blake would need to go to the bench as the veteran emergency backup. Then maybe pick up Bass or Mcdyce as a free agent and we have a really great lineup for next year.

just because there is a mouse in the cookie jar, that doesn't make him a cookie.

by oldgasbag on Jun 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This has got to be the nicest

“Blake shouldn’t be playing” post I’ve ever seen. I agree with the sentiment.

by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll still play

when Bayless has to sit out a few games with broken teeth from biting the rim on alley-oops. I just think Blake is too valuable to this team to waste him in a trade. He really has several good playing years still, but a future as a coach would be a fitting reward for sacrificing some of his good playing years for the team…

just because there is a mouse in the cookie jar, that doesn't make him a cookie.

by oldgasbag on Jun 27, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Figures

At my age all of my good ideas went out of vogue decades ago. Maybe they can just call him a player / hairstylist, but give him the job of making our point guards effective and also look cool while being effective….

just because there is a mouse in the cookie jar, that doesn't make him a cookie.

by oldgasbag on Jun 27, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could wear a Hawaiian shirt over his top

that would be cool for an old guy like me.

by oregonslee on Jun 27, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one has ever banned

player/hairstylists

as I remember: Chris Mullin used to give crew cut before Warriors games until he became GM. I really wanted to get one from him as I was a big Run TMC fan, but my hair is too rad for a crew cut.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 27, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mills isn't going to play this year for the Blazers

And he may never play meaningful minutes in the NBA.

I think we need at least 3 PGs (in case one gets injured, you need to have a starter and a reserve), so I think we’ll pick up at least a crappy journeyman PG, if not a decent one (to start ahead of Blake).

by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

(Warning: It will be obvious to note that I’m a Mills fan as you read this post)

If we want a backup PG that can slice and dice the defense and kick out to our 3 pt shooters off the bench, Mills is better equipped for that role than Bayless. Mills will quickly become a fan favorite after we see his quickness on display in the summer league. Bayless will still dominate the scoring category because he is too tough to stop 1on1 in summer league,…but Mills is electrifying in his own right.

Even though KP has indicated that Mills will be shipped overseas, I think it’s going to be a tougher call for KP to make once Mills gets some minutes on the court in summer league and hopefully training camp.

I also think that if you take away the draft status of both players and they were to enter training camp as equals, Bayless might end up warranting more minutes in NBADL to continue developing his true pg skills. Of course, this is a hypothetical prediction that will never happen because the blackjack dealer took away my magic wand last night. But still, the point I’m making is that Mills has better true PG skills right now than Bayless.

by VegasNed on Jun 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mills may be a fan favorite

if he gets any playing time. He’s still an undersized PG with SG skills. From DX:

Patrick Mills had the lowest logged shooting percentage at 36%, and the fact that he took 3.3 contested looks from the outside per game (1st) may have played a role in that. All the three pointers Mills attempted certainly didn’t help his efficiency on the college level. For as fast as Mills is, he got to the rim at an average rate and really struggled to convert once there. He also ranked last for the percentage of possessions he was fouled on—just 5%.
For a player with first round aspirations, Mills has not shown the development that would have built on his Olympic performance and made him a surefire first round pick. His point guard skills, while improving marginally, still position him as a combo guard with the potential to be a good floor general –which is not a good thing considering his size and how many players cut from a similar mold are projected to declare this spring. While the season isn’t over yet, there is a strong chance that Mills will find himself firmly on the bubble should the Gaels not extend their season into the NCAA Tournament, and will need to either return to St. Mary’s or show well in workouts coming off of his wrist injury to solidify his stock.

He’s got a long way to go in developing PG skills and is pretty small for the NBA. I’d be happy if he made an impact in the NBA, but I don’t see him suiting up as a Blazer this year.

by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree with Ninja Socks

SG in PG body.
He does have maturity, but is undersized.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 28, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, SG in a small PG's body

He’s CP3’s size, but CP3 is pretty small for a PG. He’s about 2-3 inches shorter than what you’d like for a standard PG and 5-6 inches shorter than what you’d like for a standard SG.

Patti may have great college/international skills, but he’s got to make the significant leap to the NBA while having disadvantages due to his height (and maybe speed and strength).

by ninjasocks on Jun 28, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s got tons of speed. Could be a similar player to Aaron Brooks. I don’t think he’ll be ready to contribute like Brooks is now for a few years though.

by danielfarrell on Jun 28, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read that he's more quick than fast

You could argue that the first-step is more important, though, and dribbling speed is often different from off-the-ball speed. If he is going to be successful, he will have to exploit that speed.

It looks like he’s almost an inch taller than Brooks in bare feet (5’11.25" vs 5’10.5"), which does work in his favor.

by ninjasocks on Jun 28, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your assertion on playing time

Whether Mills blows up or not, chances are KP and Nate Mac will stick with giving backup minutes to Bayless this year.

The analysis on Mills is somewhat skewed because he asked to be the main distributor, scorer, and playmaker for St. Mary’s. His efficiency numbers will be far less superior to a Lawson or a Collison because they weren’t asked to do as much as Patty on offense. Watching him play this year, he certainly acted as a scoring PG, but I believe that surrounded with better talent around him, he can settle into a true PG role easier than Bayless. Take away the first game in the Olympics this year, Mills blew up for the Australian team. I think he can do the same for the Blazers, although I have to admit that it will take time to adjust to the more half-court oriented style of the Blazers.

by VegasNed on Jun 27, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To me it is pretty simple: either you get Hinrich, or you keep Blake. You don't do both.

Acquiring Hinrich is based on the notion that Chicago needs cap space to resign Gordon and Deng. Trading Hinrich is one of the most obvious way for Chicago to create that space. The idea is that Outlaw and Blake both have non-guaranteed contracts for next year. We can either trade one of them and spare parts (perhaps a sign and trade of Frye?) and that would create enough cap space for them, or we could trade both, and Chicago could renounce one of the two to create space. If Chicago trades Hinrich, they will need a back-up for Rose. Blake would be a very good candidate for that role. In other words, Chicago is likely to want either Blake or Bayless in return for Hinrich.

Choosing to keep Blake over Bayless seems remarkably short sighted. Blake is 28, and likely at his peak. He is likely to start declining some time in the next few years. He already struggles to defend the new bread of ultra-quick PGs. His defensive problems are only likely to worsen over the next few years. I would be willing to bet that Bayless will be a better defender by the All-Star break.

Blake is clearly a better outside shooter and a more efficient distributor on the offensive end. But Bayless has enormous potential as a multi-threat scorer. Many folks seem to be forgetting who Bayless is: the guy was a McDonald’s All-American; a three time Arizona prep player of the year; one of the top PG recruits in the nation to “PG University.” He was expected to go between 4-8 in last year’s draft. It was a minor miracle we got him at 11. He was the Summer League MVP. He was selected along with Roy, LMA, and GO as one of the top thirty young players in the country to be on the Team USA development team.

If Bayless had spent another year in college, he likely would have been one of the top five picks in this years draft. We would all be drooling if KP had managed to draft him. You do not trade away a 20 year old with that kind of potential in order to keep a 28 year old journeyman. You do not even consider making that kind of move.

I may be a bit optimistic, but I would put the odds of Bayless being better than Blake within the next two years at 80%, and I would put the odds of him being much , much better at about 50%. He needs to play. If you get Hinrich, Blake goes. Hinrich does what Blake does only better. If you can’t get Hinrich, you may decide to keep Blake as the starter until Bayless demonstrates that he is ready to start. But trading Bayless or burying him on the bench would be extremely short sighted.

by upper left corner on Jun 27, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

My thoughts exactly - Rec'd

Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009

by blazeraddict on Jun 27, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that having blake would be nice insurance if Hinrich got injured

The Blazers would be a better team at the Point if they had Blake backing up Hinrich then if they had Bayless Backing up Hinrich. I agree with the Idea to give minutes to Bayless, but am pointing out that I would be surprised if Bayless was made to earn his minutes.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 28, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't be Surprised

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 28, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"He already struggles to defend the new bread of ultra-quick PGs."

I realize we’re not supposed to pick on typos, but “he struggles to defend bread” has got to be the funniest accidental putdown of the year.

by Kaboomm on Jun 28, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True Fact
You do not trade away a 20 year old with that kind of potential in order to keep a 28 year old journeyman. You do not even consider making that kind of move.

Couldn’t agree more with this logic. Blake’s only fit with this team is as a starter. As soon as he gets removed from that position he must be gone. He simply doesn’t fit on our second unit and would represent an impediment to Bayless long term.

by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Blake deserves better

Frankly, I’m a bit tired of Blake being the whipping boy. He only had the best season of his career, played exactly the kind of hard-nosed ball the team needed, and basically did everything he was asked to do. If we bring Hinrich in, that’s fine. But Bayless is far from ready, in my humble opinion. And I think we’d win several more games in 09-10 with Blake as starter while my man Oden indeed becomes a force and someone like Brandon Bass — and maybe even Pendergraph — provides an additional inside presence. What we most need from our PG is 3 pt shooting, something Blake is becoming rather good at. I won’t cry at all if he starts next year and I’d like to think Blazer fans are behind him. I happen to think Blazer management is!

by Odenforce on Jun 27, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I was starting to wonder if I was the only one noticing Blake’s ROUTINELY SUPERIOR PLAY TO ANY OF OUR POINT GUARDS!!!! From many of the above posts I would have thought that Blake was the primary reason for our 34 win season and that the only reason Bayless wasn’t playing was because of injury. Blake is no hack and I’m certain we haven’t seen the last of him. Probably for good reason.

Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.

by shenanigans on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not alone here

It’s clear to my eyes that Blake is superior now in every way to Bayless (as he was to Sergio) and will be the better guard for a while. So, is it more important to accelerate Bayless’ development or get the best guard play possible to get homecourt advantage? It’s non-issue. The only question is the name of the new guard we’re getting.

by oregonslee on Jun 27, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had the best season of his career

And he had a PER of 14.5 — just below average. While I know that depending on single advanced statistics is an oversimplification and a crutch, I think it illustrates my point well: Blakes best is just below average.

Below average may be ok for a rebuilding team or a team in its first run at the playoffs in a while. I think a Championship-caliber team needs something more.

by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah a so far Bayless, his best is one of the worst in the League.

Just saying he hasn’t proved anything in the NBA yet. Summer league doesn’t count and practice doesn’t count I don’t want to have Bayless as the Only backup point along with Mills that has the potential to really force us to go to larger lineups. But it could be great too, with Bayless filling in at least as good as Sergio and we haven’t lost any thing from last year at the position.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless hasn't got much run in the league yet.

At some point you have to throw him in there and see what he does.

* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...

by OdenFanBoy on Jun 29, 2009 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is using Blake as a whipping boy

With all due respect, you are completely missing the points I was trying to make in my comment above.

Yes, Blake had a career year. Yes, Blake was important to the team’s success in 08-09. Yes, the team played better with Blake at the point than either Sergio or Bayless.

Yes, Blake is probably superior to Bayless at the offensive end in 09-10.

All of this is true, and all of it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand:

1) Blake is a great guy, who has worked his butt off to maximize his talent. He has become a very good spot up shooter and a solid, if unspectacular, distributor. However, if you are at all realistic, you need to acknowledge his limitations: He is not a good penetrator. He does not draw fouls. He does not put pressure on the opposing defense to shade over and help his man cover. He is not very good at running the pick and roll. He is not very good at creating his own shot. He is average at best in the open court. Above all, he struggles as a defender against quick PGs. Nate has developed techniques to help compensate, but those come at a cost, more fouls for our big men and lots of help and switches on picks.

2) If we get Hinrich, he does what Blake does only better.

3) With consistent minutes, Bayless is likely to surpass Blake as a defender this season or next. Bayless is bigger, faster, stronger, and has better body control. Blake compensates for his lack of stregth and quickness by playing well off the ball. This gives the opposing PG room to go where they want to go and lots of open passing lanes. Bayless is all over guys. He needs to improve his technique so he gets called for fewer fouls, but that will likely come as he gets more time and the zebras start to cut him a little more slack. When Bayless gets it figured out, he is going to be a real pest and very disruptive.

4) Even if Blake is better at the offensive end now, Bayless has far more potential to become a multi-threat scorer and distributor. BRoy likened guarding Bayless in practice to guarding D Wade, that is not faint praise. Once Bayless brings his outside shot to games, he is going to be a load to defend. Once he learns how to use the threat of his scoring to create open shots for his teammates, he is going to be a heck of a point guard. Learning to consistently make good decisions is likely to take a while, but Bayless is smart and works hard. He has a good chance for success.

5) From the point of view of maximizing assets, no GM worth his salt is going to trade a 20 year old with Bayless potential for a 28 year old journeyman. You do not sacrifice a decade of future potential for a slight uptick in short term performance. Would you trade Blake for Rubio straight up? If Bayless had been in this years draft, he likely would have been taken before, or near, Rubio. To me this is a total no-brainer.
 
If KP can’t locate a better starting PG than Blake for a reasonable cost, I will be disappointed, because I see improved PG defense as the teams biggest need. However, I am perfectly fine with Blake at the controls if the right trade or signing can not be made. I’m not trying to disrespect Steve in any way; I am trying to be realistic about his limitations.

by upper left corner on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless could, Bayless might, Bayless should,

I’m not real comfortable with any of that until Bayless shows those kind of strides. Until then the only options are to trade for an upgrade, or to leave Blake as the starter.

Wasn’t too long ago we were saying, “Sergio could, Sergio might, Sergio should.” We all saw how that worked out.

Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.

by shenanigans on Jun 28, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your analogy is instructive, but flawed.

You compare Sergio to Bayless. Sergio never had anywhere near the physical tools Bayless has. Sergio is thirty pounds of muscle smaller. Sergio is reasonably quick, but not as quick as Bayless. He does not have Bayless’ outstanding athleticism and leaping ability. Sergio has a more skill as a passer, beyond that, Bayless has more to work with in almost every category.

Whether or not Bayless finds his shot, or learns to make good PG decisions is an open question, but acting like Sergio and Bayless are similar situations seems badly misguided to me.

Bayless did compile lousy season stats, but during the one stretch he was given the exact kind of back-up minutes we are talking about here, he had a PER of over 15. He showed a lot more than many of you were willing to give him credit for. I think a ot of it was driven by Sergio supporters who were advocating for their preferred player by running down Bayless’ performance.

by upper left corner on Jun 28, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are both guys that have shown flashes of brilliance yet have proven nothing.

The strengths and weaknesses of both players are different, but the ‘what ifs’ are the same. I have the same hopes as everyone else for Bayless to be the man, but I’ll wait to pass the torch until he shows he wont drop it. I thought Sergio was the man. Heck I even thought Bassy was the man. We all waited for them solidify their weaknesses and it never happened. I’ll be ready to talk about Bayless the starting PG when Bayless proves it.

I still hold that my analogy is not flawed. Show me, then I’ll believe.

Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.

by shenanigans on Jun 28, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see how Bayless does running the show in summer league

Personally, based on what I’ve seen Blake >>> Bayless.

But Bayless is just a rookie, he will surely improve. Until he does though, he can’t be the guy who spells the starting point guard. Blake easily could be.

by baduk on Jun 27, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Coach says he gets minutes behind Blake

That’s the whole story till a new guard comes here.

by oregonslee on Jun 27, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the improvement is about three weeks away

Bayless has a lot to learn, and a long way to go, but it is not like he totally sucked when he got true back-up minutes last season. His PER during the time Blake was out was over 15. That is quite good for a rookie. Decent minutes translated into better play.

I don’t think he needs to make some huge leap to be a decent back-up, just roll out the ball and let him play. He is going to make plenty of mistakes, but he is also going to make a lot of nice plays. The ratio of the former to the latter will improve as the season plays out.

by upper left corner on Jun 28, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you're spot on

sure blake is better NOW but if we bring in hinrich, like you said we just improved blake, and bayless might be ready for some serious backup minutes this year.

i don’t know nearly as much about this stuff as most of you guys seem to, but i agree with the general sentiment that giving up bayless at this point just seems silly – and is one of those moves that you’ll always have hanging over your head as he grows into a killer player somewhere else…

by pdxrob on Jun 28, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 at the point isn't a logjam imo. We needed 3 last year when Blake went down.

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

by doublezeroduck on Jun 28, 2009 3:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes and

we’re looking to bring in a PG, not get rid of a PG. Any team we trade with knows as much so it’ll be a shock to me if Blake gets swapped for a PG. You may get a better player but it doesn’t strengthen the team.

by oregonslee on Jun 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade for Hinrich then we most certainly will include Blake in the deal. That is as much because this year of his contract isn’t fully guaranteed as anything but also because he becomes redundant in that trade.

by danielfarrell on Jun 28, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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