When Does KP Use the Cap Space?
by T Darkstar on Jun 26, 2009 8:21 PM PDT
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After seeing Blazers’ Edge implode after not picking a backup PF in the draft, I saw many people trying to reassure those people ready to jump out of buildings by saying, "Wait until July 8th!" But what if July 8th comes and goes and nothing happens? And July 9th, and 10th. I’m pretty sure things will be a disaster around here and people will call for Pritchard to be fired for not making a spectacular move.
So if nothing happens this summer, is all hope lost? Will Pritchard have wasted the only opportunity he had to do something big? After all, Roy and Aldridge are due contract extensions this summer. Our cap space will be gone when that happens. However, those extensions don’t actually kick in until July 1st, 2010.
But those second rounders we drafted will be signed and eat into our capspace. True. Assuming Portland does nothing this summer, except renounce Michael Ruffin, Shavlik Randolph, Raef LaFrentz and Channing Frye, they walk into the season with the following contracts (via Storyteller’s website):
Darius Miles’s Contract: $9,000,000
Joel Przybilla: $6,857,725
Greg Oden: $5,361,240
LaMarcus Aldridge: $5,844,827
Steve Blake: $4,000,000
Travis Outlaw: $3,600,000
Martell Webster: $4,319,654
Brandon Roy: $3,910,816
Jerryd Bayless: $2,143,080
Rudy Fernandez: $1,165,320
Nicolas Batum: $1,118,760
Victor Claver: $1,012,900 (Cap Hold)
Petteri Koponen: $824,200 (Cap Hold)
Joel Freeland: $824,200 (Cap Hold)
Also this is an assumption as far as personel, but it needs to be made going into the season without changes:
Jeff Pendergraph: $457,588 (Rookie Minimum)
Dante Cunningham: $457,588 (Rookie Minimum)
One minimum rookie contract to make the minimum 13 roster spots (hopefully 3rd string PG): $457,588
Total 2009-2010 Salary: $51,355,486
Total 2009-2010 Salary, not counting our 2nd rounders: $49,982,722
That’s a 1.5 million dollar loss just to get the team up and running for the season. Except the day the season starts, the cap holds on our overseas 1st rounders falls off until July 1st 2010. So in reality, if this scenario were to happen, our salary would be lower.
Total 2009-2010 salary, with cap holds removed and 2nd rounders signed: $48,694,206
Instead of a 1.5 million dollar loss, we’re looking at a 1.3 million dollar gain in cap space by waiting until the season starts.
Time.
Instead of being our enemy, it's possible that it could be our friend. How many other teams with cap space will blow it all on July 8th? How many teams will enter the season under the cap? A feasible $10 million under the cap (assuming there is no raising or lowering of the cap threshold this year)?
If things get tighter this year instead of better, the pressure goes up even more. What if we go to the 2009-2010 NBA trade deadline with $10 million under the cap? I think it is entirely possible that we would be the only team with that kind of flexibility, while fielding a decent team. While the rest of the NBA gets even more desperate for cap relief, we have an overabundance. Time only makes our space more attractive.
Of course, if this happens, and the trade deadline comes, Portland fans will get even more hyped about it. But what if nothing happens then either? Turns out, all is not lost. We would have that cap space until July 1st, 2010. That includes draft day 2010, when John Wall, is available, or the next superstar is available for cap space. (I hear a lot of teams want to dump salaries for the 2010 free agent bonanza.) And teams will know that our commodity is only available for a short time longer. Act now, or be stuck forever.
I certainly don’t want to wait that long. Patience is not my strongest suit. I’ll be pulling my hair out on July 8th, 2009. However, by looking at things this way, at least I wont be looking for the nearest window if for some reason nothing happens.
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One last thought. It's a long shot, and I don't believe it could happen. But what if. What if Portland wins a case for Daruis Miles' contract to be removed from our cap? It certainly couldn't happen before July 8th. But by the start of next season, or the trade deadline? There is a possibility. Of course, you cannot bank on that and use it as an excuse to not do anything this summer. But it's there. It is possible. Not likely, but possible. <shiver>
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Of course, this thought can always use more input. Any salary guys out there might see errors in my though processes. Maybe I’m missing something vitally important. Maybe there’s some better ideas out there. Please chime in with any thoughts, corrections, constructive criticisms, et cetera.
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The ? about Martells foot
argues for waiting as long as possible to make a move.
by southern oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
reccccc'd HARD!!!
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by faith on Jun 26, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that I know... and I like my team just fine the way it is, this sounds .... genius.
LBJ on the cheap if shaq freaks out and causes a major scene….
K*be bolting…
Wade desires to learn to fly fish?
oh wow…. this is ….. sick.
k thems is my thought darkstar. pretty awsome… not that it’s a good thing or really hard to do, but MY brain is officially fried with too much dreaming if this is the way.
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by faith on Jun 26, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, you can't count on any of that happening.
Not a good reason in and of itself to do nothing this summer. But if it were to happen and we were in position to take advantage of it perfectly, I wouldn’t complain.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 26, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I think Dave will basically have to C/P this to the main page after BE explodes on July 8th.
You are very right in that the longer this summer goes the more desperate players will be to sign a deal, 8mil a year will look very appealing compared to the MLE in August. Dream scenario, Nets want to trade Devin Harris and we can nab him. I will settle for Captain Kirk though. Anything else would be kind of surprising to me.
I’m probably more positive than most on having Steve Nash on our team. It’s probably twitter bias. Jason Kidd yeah that would be interesting I guess. Conely isn’t going to move after Memphis drafted Thabeet. I think Andre Miller is a little too old at this point for me to invest more than MLE for him.
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by Dheepan on Jun 26, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Miller's too old
but you want Nash? Do you just think that the 2009 Steve Nash will be that much better than the 2009 Andre Miller?
by morg on Jun 26, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
miller is the perfect age if....
he’s under a 4 year contract and you believe as I do that he could help us win now while mentoring Bayless and Bayless gets more minutes as Miller gets less. Miller’s style (penetrating) is also Bayless’s best attribute while Miller is an excellant passer which we want Bayless to learn to be. It would be difficult to bring in a younger verteran point gaurd without the message to “Bayless being you are not our guy but try to get better anyway.”
by mrwonderfulone on Jun 26, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
miller = 9 or 11 + wins
According to espn’s trade machine before the trade deadline. Adding Miller was adding 9 or 11 wins to the Blazers total. ( don’t recall which.) Isn’t he just a couple of years older then Blake? Who do you want to mentor Bayless or Mills or any young guard for that matter? Someone who can penetrate and pass or someone who can shoot 3’s?
by mrwonderfulone on Jun 26, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I just said I was higher on him than him than most
To me in order of preference
Devin Harris (seems unlikely but I WANT to believe the Nets would be dumb enough to trade him)
Kirk Hinrich
Mike Conely Jr
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Everyone else.
Steve Nash still put up 16 and 10 last year, that’s not bad. Plus he likely wouldn’t ask for too much money at his age, or that long of a deal, 3 years max. I feel like Miller wants one last big (comparatively speaking) contract for longer. so I’m not sure I want him. Besides those 3 I have serious misgivings about every other point guard in the market. Sessions, Kidd, Nash, Miller, etc. To the point where I would probably just hope Bayless figures it all out by the allstar break.
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by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruuuuu bee iooooooooo!!!
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by faith on Jun 27, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Order of Interest for Point Guards...
1.) Devin Harris
2.) Kirk Hinrich
3.) Mike Conely Jr.
4.) Andre Miller
5.) Raymond Felton
6.) Ramon Sessions
With the rest of the players out there… Nash, Kidd or any other PG who would be somewhat available (not counting CP3 or Dwill), All I know is that Portland should be using money on a PG for the NOW… we really shouldn’t HOLD OUT with this pile of cash as far as the PG situation is concerned.
But the BIG PICTURE is that Portland is going to be working it so we add 3 players during the Free Agency period. Adding the $8+M of cap space plus trading Travis Outlaw and/or Blake gives Portland $12M-$16M to get to the cap. Those cap holds for Kopponen, Freeland and Claver don’t scare me. Paul Allen said to “Go For It”.
1.) Portland can afford $8-10M for a Point guard (Devin Harris, Kirk Hinrich, Mike Conley hopefully one of the these big three)
2.) Then Portland can find a forward in the $5-$8M range (SF Turkoglu $8M, PF David Lee or PF Brandon Bass or PF Paul Millsap at $7M, PF Jason Maxiell $5M or less for PF Antonio McDyess).
3.) Portland needs to lock in a 3rd string PG behind (Starter to be acquired soon) and PG2 Jerryd Bayless… the best options I see are PG Shannon Brown from LAL or PG Eddie House of Bos or CJ Watson GSW. I am sure there are a lot of other options for PG3.
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jerryd Bayless/Shannon Brown
SG: Brandon Roy/Rudy Fernandez
SF: Martell Webster/Nic Batum/Dante Cunningham
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge/Brandon Bass/Jeff Pendergraph
FC: Greg Oden/Joel Pryzbilla
SG:
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It kind of feels like playing poker with a really good hand.
Just because you’re not raising every time doesn’t mean you can’t outlast the table.
by FrederickT1 on Jun 26, 2009 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
This perspective was 100% needed,
because the waiting is starting to fray our nerves.
Technically I believe the cap space will only be effective up until the trade deadline next feb. and not up to the next draft. If I remember correctly trades worked out around the time of the draft don’t become “officially” cleared by the league until after the cap is calculated for the next year, and those draft time trades are worked out according to the salaries for the upcoming year. Since if the salaries match to within 125% +/- 100k the trade is cleared regardless of a team’s cap situation, teams can work out a trade and submit it around the draft before the new cap is worked out knowing full well it will be officially approved.
Or i could be completely wrong, (as usual). Anyways just sayin that cap room is good up until next trade deadline and not next draft. Teams looking to dump salary will be looking to do it at the deadline at the latest so we should still be good.
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by postup on Jun 26, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ah. Could be true.
I hadn’t heard that before, but there are a lot of things of which I’m ignorant. If anyone can confirm this, I can get that into an edit for my post.
…
Though the edit will probably have to wait until morning. It’s late back here.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 26, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The date matters
I’m pretty sure I read a post by Storyteller (or even something from Dave) on the subject of when trades are made after the season being important. If done before the FA period (or July 1), they use last year’s salaries, but if done after they use the next year’s salaries. This is why the Warriors trade for Stoudemire can’t be official (if it’s even happening) until July 8. I believe they need to wait for next year’s salaries to kick in to make it work. So trades made on draft day (or just before) would use the ending year’s salaries.
by ATrainPDX on Jun 27, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft day trades take into account the old salaries. For example, the Sergio trade we just made took into account his ‘08-’09 salary, not his 1.6 million owed in ‘09-’10.
by Cablinasian on Jun 27, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
I don’t really see a need to couple any of these mileposts to each other. In fact it’s weak-minded to do so. There wasn’t a trade that looked good at the deadline, KP didn’t act. That makes sense. Given our talent, I think if the right trade or free agent does not come along, the wise thing to do is not to act.
I call that discipline.
It’s why guys like Turkoglu and Hinrich are marginal because they may not improve the team significantly for how much they cost.
But to clarify, this bears no relationship to the decision not to draft Dejuan Blair. Which is the main complaint about this draft.
Just as I hope that KP does not make the error of acquiring a free agent because he feels pressured to do so, I wish that he had drafted the best banger in this draft. Because I believe, and it has widely been stated by Blazer honchos, that we need that kind of player at backup PF.
No causality there, except that if it is felt that not drafting Blair was an error (even in the back of KP’s mind) then he will be more likely to compound that error but acting rashly in free agency. So I am hoping that his mind is clear of this draft which i suspect was somehow trying for him and the front office. There may have been some struggles from the looks on their faces after it ended.
Anyway, on to the next…
by Blazin' on Jun 26, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How long will it take for BEdgers to get over not drafting
a guy who tends to be overweight and has two bad knees? How can you expect that kind of guy to last for 90 plus games? It is not unreasonable to pass on such a player.
I do like the players we already have on the roster. But I am very concerned about Martell’s foot and continued inability to play all out. So I am very reluctant to trade anyone at this time without there being a large upgrade in quality of the player we get. This team is still very young. It is still maturing and learning to play NBA basketball and just had their first taste of playoff BB. They will learn how to play in the post season. Remember, we are improving every year we the guys we have. Be Patient. We are on path to one or more championships.
Oden will get much better. Aldridge will get much better. Roy can and will improve. Blake will improve and Bayless needs time to develop into the point guard that K
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by OrygunRod on Jun 26, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be over blair
if his knees blow out or he doesn’t make the spurs’ roster. otherwise, this one is gonna stick with me for a while.
doesn’t mean I don’t love our boys or I don’t have faith in KP
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
by chrischa on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was a little bummed when we passed on Blair
but just like we didn’t move up to #5 and get Rubio, obviously the mindset has shifted to a lower risk level. We seem to be waiting for the more sure deal at this time. And considering that everyone passed on Blair and "didn’t take the chance" it looks like there might be more to his knee situation than we all know.
When I get grumpy, you won’t be so chirpy
by fiercecreature on Jun 27, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think KP is more "ready" to make a lopsided deal than we are
if that were possible
I think by the end of summer league (7-19) there will be at least one huge acquisition, if not two. I do not expect KP to wait until next February, he builds rosters during the offseason.
Until then, we’ll just have to speculate about who his targets are
by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so bored and helpless tonight
I actually read this proposal for vote.
“When would you lose faith in Kevin Pritchard?”
Please, please…. let my 89 yr old, w/no legs, no hygene, thankless son of a " father in law" that I wait on hand and foot go to that great spirit in the sky. Release me from even trying to comprehend.
Would that help stop the madness?. Dark # you really no not what you say.
The Oden Era, Day 737
by Heymoe on Jun 26, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pritchard is going to put you all into awe
He will strike when the time is right. A 3 team trade between Portland, Chicago & Minnesota. Portland ends up with Kirk Hinrich & the rights to Ricky Rubio.
Patience :)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 26, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sweet, I can't wait for the almighty KP to land us Lebron James and Dwyane Wade next!
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
by chrischa on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will loose faith when the team takes a step backwards.
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Make that 2 steps
we can afford to allow him one mistake
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fantastic idea...
We all love to throw our ideas out there and have our opinions about what the team should do, but this is a reality checj for everybody. How many wins has this team improved by in the past three years? How many organizations have made that kind of progress and still have the flexibility and young talent that the Blazers have right now? KP has done an amazing job with this team and until they start to take some steps backward, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on Blair.
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by tssbro on Jun 27, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll lose faith if KP traded for Rubio
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya... this team would stink
if we had a franchise caliber point guard on it.
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd bring the whole team down
Just like you bring down BlazerEdge with your presence.
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I'm just playing
Or am I? He’s too young, if he stays in Europe for 2 years, then I’ll want him after that. The Blazers still have to develop Oden and other guys.
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio has done all the developing he can do over there
Oden and LMA would develop a lot quicker if we had a dynamic point guard like Rubio running the P+R. I honestly don’t think Rubio is going to take very long to get his into his NBA groove. I don’t like the common premise that we have to sell our soul to win this year. Rubio makes us better when we’re hitting our prime (2011-2020). Hinrich helps for 2 years maybe, but is a major step down from Rubio after that. When KP is making his move I think he’d be best off not forcing the issue THIS year. We’re not there yet (as you acknowledge in your Oden statement there).
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rubio is the bee's knees
I just want a point guard this is better than Blake now, not one who will be way better in two years. I’m down if we get Rubio and Hinrich.
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't bet against Rubio being better than Blake by the end of the season
Almost everyone wants a point guard that is better than Blake is now. If the ultimate goal is to win championships or multiple championships, you should use your chips in a way to maximize the gain. Getting Rubio helps this team at point guard for the next 10-15 years (he’s 18 now). He extends our window in the forward direction way more than Hinrich does in the opposite direction. I’m of the opinion that our chance to win a championship THIS year is minuscule. Using a bunch of assets going after it hurts what should ultimately be the goal (2-15 years out). l also think in year 2 Rubio v. Hinrich is essentially a wash. If you need Outlaw or Blake (Hinrich’s supposed cost) to make the Rubio thing happen, than go get Rubio. If not, I definitely advocate going and getting both of them.
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are moves out there that could make us a major player for the 2010 title. For example, Gerald Wallace kills the Lakers. If we acquired him, I’m not sure that they beat us in a seven game series. He would also help against LeBron.
by Cablinasian on Jun 27, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'd like to believe that's true
LBJ has done very well versus Charlotte over the years and Crash has not fared very well versus Cleveland.
The stats seem to indicate LBJ plays just as well as he always does, if not better versus the Bobcats. A great defensive mind like Larry Brown not wanting this guy makes you worry about what his actual effect is on games.
More to the point though, I don’t think these moves, or really any moves make us a championship level team this year. Thinking otherwise projects a lot of players well past where we’ve seen them go. That’s a big time gamble this team doesn’t have to take. If you can go get your point guard for the next 10 years, isn’t that the move you do for the good of this franchise? Of course everyone wants to win every year, but I’m not willing to trade 5 wins next year at the expense of 5 wins in each of the following 10 years. Use your assets properly, and we can take over the whole of this next decade. In 2020 Rubio would be a 29 year old point guard. Think how much longer a move like this extends Roy’s championship window, not to mention the rest of the team.
Hinrich is a nice fit for a couple years, but it’s much more important that we find the right point guard after that.
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Lebron James probably does great against below average teams like the Bobcats regardless of who’s guarding him. I wouldn’t pin his numbers as some sort of failure on Wallace’s part. It takes a team to stop that guy.
Brown is notorious for wanting to make roster changes regardless of who he’s got. I don’t think his rumored willingness to part with Wallace means anything, even if it’s true.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 27, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
and I like Crash as a defender, but his offensive game doesn’t really match what we want from the position. The only guy I’ve actually noticed make a big difference while defending him was Ariza. I could much more easily get on board with Crash as a 3/4 combo off the bench, essentially taking Outlaw’s wildcard role. I stand by the comment about a championship being at least one more year away.
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
minor point on the LeBron-Wallace thing.
LeBron might do really well statistically against Wallace, as he does against most everyone. The difference is having someone in a seven game series to push, grab, and annoy LeBron. Remember Game 1 of the Orlando-Cleveland series? LeBron had an incredible game, statistically; however, he was so tired by the end of the series that his game began to suffer. Will he perform well against Portland if Crash were guarding him? Of course. But would he be pestered and annoyed after a series of hounding? Yes. That’s what we want.
by Cablinasian on Jun 27, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's knees aren't going to last 10-15 years
Brandon is the superstar. Oden and LMA might outlast him, but they probably won’t win any rings without him, not even if Rubio and Rudy remain for the duration
The odds of winning it all next spring appear miniscule, but there’s a lot of parity among the top 10 NBA teams. Nobody expected Orlando to reach the finals, they just came together at the right time. The Blazers can catch that same lightning in a bottle if they add the right vets to the current mix. Then, maybe L*A get bit by the injury bug at just the “right” time and Portland makes another leap into title contention. Stranger things have happened
Regardless if you think they should or not, it sounds like KP and Paul are going to pull out all the stops. I’d rather see them add a young veteran PG like Harris than an old geezer like Miller, Kidd, Nash, etc
by two4larue on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy will go at least 10 more
the thing about this team and the way its set up, in the future we’re going to be able to breeze into the playoffs with all of our talent. Once in the playoffs Roy can gear back up, and everyone will be ready to go. I also think you’re underestimating the rest of our talent. Oden still has a very good chance of becoming a superstar and LMA an all star. Rubio would be a franchise level point guard that has elite skills on both ends of the court, and throwing Batum and Rudy on top of them… Roy as he gets older would have to carry this team less and less.
I’ll be okay if we don’t get a 30+ point guard. We need to be wise with our assets. This is the last time we’ll have cap space for 10 years. You can’t spend it on a guy you’re only going to be able to utilize a year or two.
As long as you acknowledge our chances as minuscule, then
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP trades Przy and change for Rubio
Then he turns around and deals Rubio and Rudy for…Devin Harris
Then he goes after Bass, to take Joel’s place
What’s not to like?
by two4larue on Jun 27, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do multi-step trades really happen?
I can see a multi-team one, but not multi-steps.
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-way
(Here was SoulHonky’s suggestion from the fanpost)
Rubio and an expiring deal (Etan or Cardinal) to the Nets.
Harris to the Blazers
Rudy, Blake and a third contract (Outlaw or Webster) to Minnesota.
As Forrest Gump’s mama once said “I’m sure there’s something can be done”
by two4larue on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Oden as our only Center thats what
Bass is a small PF No way we trade Joel without an alternative at backup 5
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 28, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass played over 13 minutes per game last year at center for Dallas
and finding a backup center for our MLE shouldn’t be hard to do in a year like this. There are 5-10 in free agency that would qualify as solid backup centers. Franchise caliber point guards on the other hand… not ANY of those on the market.
by as11osu on Jun 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Darkstar.
I was pretty ancy in the days before the draft, and was practically counting the days until July 8th. Reading this post has calmed me down quite a bit.
I will lose some faith in KP if we go into the playoffs next year with the same starting 5. As much as I love our guys, Brandon Roy is a superstar RIGHT NOW, and it is time to go for it RIGHT NOW. So yeah, I will question him quite a lot if we still have lackluster pick and roll defense on the starting unit, and a certain player jacking up contested 2’s and NOT BOXING HIS FREAKIN MAN OUT so we get to see the easiest 2 points ever scored on us on a putback several times a game.
by dario argento on Jun 26, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
thanks for the smiles dario. That boxout has driven me crazy too!
by Blazin' on Jun 27, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
a special treat from Jack-n-no-Box.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jun 27, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do nothing.
A truely original idea here at the Blazers Edge. Rec’d for that.
But I think the team kinda has to do something. I just don’t think we go into this next season without a couple of tweaks. We’re too close, and our weaknesses are too obvious. If Pritchard does nothing, he opens himself to too much criticism from the fans.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good post.
can I just rec this without announcing to everyone that I’ve rec’d it? I feel like thats the thing to do on BE nowadays. everyone look at me reccing this post!
rec’d.
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by chrischa on Jun 26, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
KP doesn't like to trade in season
I remember at the deadline he made the point that he likes making trades in the off-season so the team can gel in training camp. I have a hard time believing the Blazers do nothing. Cap space + rich owner + economic hard times = bargains. Why not improve from a position of strength?
by blazer23-83 on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting take
I could see us waiting until the trade deadline. Sitting pretty with 10 million dollars in cap space in Feb could be huge. A lot of teams go into the new season with a lot of optimism, but the cold, hard reality of a losing season and looking ahead to the free agent bonanza of summer 2010 could make some teams desperate. We could get players for 50 cents on the dollar.
On the other hand,
We didn’t trade last year at the deadline; we preferred to keep our chemistry in tact. Depending on who KP and the gang are targeting it might be smarter to have (some of) the off season, training camp and the pre-season to get everyone acquainted. For example, if we got Hinrich we probably don’t need to worry too much about the team dynamic because he’s similar enough to Blake. If we got Gerald Wallace then we might want/need more time to develop a different offensive scheme and let the players develop some chemistry.
It’s also important to consider which players will be available when. Hinrich might get moved to someone else this summer because Chicago wants some cap space and he’s relatively expendable with Rose in the starting spot. We might not want to wait around if he’s our target. On the flip side, maybe another losing season for the Bobcats will make them willing to trade Wallace at the deadline, but if we ask them in July they’ll be optimistic about the new season.
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by Magnum on Jun 26, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In KP I trust
The trade seems to be happening this summer, if we make it to midseason with out a trade we wouldn’t do anything major this year because we will be the best team in the West Blazers gelling even more.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 26, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i tenitively suspend judgent
only because i believe kp is still gonna pull something (or 2 big) deals yet i am still alittle bummed we didnt get blair or the guy from washington who held the record for rebounding. one dimensional? you mean like pryz. i like pryz but we could have packaged him back to minn mabey for rubio if we had a similar big guy to replace him.
by riccc_l on Jun 27, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hand cuffs
anyone know what limitations kp has on him by P A, that would be nice to know. mabey he is doing all he can within the limits he is financially given. that minn guy got in trouble for saying they werent even close nor trying this year but i kind of appreciate the honesty. so much of the time you get the typical b.s.
by riccc_l on Jun 27, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Job with this Darkstar
You’ve really opened my eyes and given me MORE hope for the future, if that’s even possible.
by Illmatic88 on Jun 27, 2009 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This post betrays a mischaracterization of the way the free agency period works
Here’s how the FA period works:
1. Teams with cap space set the market using the best players as targets.
2. The best players are signed first, using cap space (like Kidd, Odom, and the like)
3. Complimentary players go next, starters and ex-All-Stars (like Marion, Artest).
4. Quality backups are the third domino to fall, guys like Ben Gordon.
5. Serviceable backups are next, Chris Anderson types.
6. Guys who are fortunate to be in the league are last (Like Mike Wilks, etc).
The longer you wait, the less talent is left to be had. KP can wait as long as he wants, but if he wants to get a good player via free agency, it’s going to have to happen in early July.
by baduk on Jun 27, 2009 12:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had no intention of going into free agency.
It’s all about the lopsided trade. Absolutely zero of the free agents this year excite me.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 27, 2009 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to look past July
Opportunities to acquire talent recycle. A FA signed in July might be better acquired in February with a lopsided trade.
I also think there will be more on the market as teams figure out they either aren’t going to make the playoffs or go deep and start freaking out about the upcoming FA2010. The downside is we don’t know exactly who will be available, but I’d argue that — despite all the posts to the contrary — we don’t know exactly what we need right now. How are Bayless, Martell, and GO going to work out next year? I’d hate to use up our flexibility until we’ve answered these questions.
We don’t need to go after all-stars. We need to find the guy (or two) who fits our needs and is just barely under the radar heading into next year’s FA.
Great post, Darkstar! I’ve been questioning whether this would be a good move. I’m glad to find it getting some airtime.
by JStal on Jun 27, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year I propsed the "wait til the 2010 trade deadline" scenario
I think that’s the best way to maximize our assets and cap space. We’ll get a very good (all star type) player at a bargain basement price (possibly nothing). A team can unload a ton of salary and gain an immensely valuable GIGANTIC trade exception.
Do I think KP and company have that kind of patience? Nope. Same deal with most people here at BE.
by as11osu on Jun 27, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great perspective
There are a lot of advantages for having patience and maximizing our leverage. However, i have a couple concerns:
1. We need more than two PGs. My guess is we blow some of our cap space on this by the end of July. The other option is we trade a player or two for a PG and preserve the cap space.
2. If we ride though most of next season until the trade deadline without making a move I think we have lost an opportunity to build a better team for the WHOLE season. Compared to what it might be, this could hurt our record and team chemistry (i.e. new guys getting with the program) which would likely come home to roost in the playoffs.
One other thing to note, we will have Blake and Outlaw’s expiring contracts to work with at the trade deadline next season. These could be valuable trade fodder and help in the “lopsided trade” scenario.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jun 27, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How is Pendergraph not "drafting a backup PF"?
That’s probably one of the best picks we could have made considering our need and the quality of PFs in the draft.
by JordanLeDoux on Jun 27, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I should have been more specific.
…not drafting a particular backup PF.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 27, 2009 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The backup PF everyone wanted had great intangibles
As in, “his ACLs weren’t tangible”. He was also about Roy’s size with long arms.
by ninjasocks on Jun 28, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roy and Charles Barkley the same size too? Roy’s height maybe, but not roy’s size, lol.
by Pheesh on Jun 29, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Darius has something to do with us not signing Blair.
After taking the highroad about not wanting to put a kid on the court who could wreck his knees I’m not sure KP could get away with drafting a guy who is rumored to have unprecedented knee concerns.
"I didn’t want it on my conscience – that I had a kid have to go through a knee replacement surgery.
…I’m the kind of GM (that) I wouldn’t want that on my head that he ever had to have knee replacement."-Kevin Pritchard
An eastern conference GM was saying that he had never seen so many team doctors refuse to sign off on a guy. If the Blazers drafted Blair maybe they kill all chance of having Darius come off the books. To the rest of the league it would certainly look hypocritical.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 27, 2009 1:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
An eastern conference GM was saying that he had never seen so many team doctors refuse to sign off on a guy.
Are you talking about Miles or Blair here?
That is a good point which I hadn’t considered. I could see other teams saying, “you took a chance on Blair even though he had 2 serious surgeries which is no different than Memphis taking a chance on Miles.”
The Grizzles signing Miles still angers me.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 27, 2009 3:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for a great trade/ signing,
but doing nothing is still a pretty fair option considering the youth/ talent ratio on this team. It may be that a great deal doesn’t present itself this offseason, and if that is the case I’d rather curse Pritchard for making no deal then for making a Shawn Kemp deal.
That said, if there are good moves to be made, then I want to see it done.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on Jun 27, 2009 7:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This should be the first year of the Darius Miles Rule
As soon as your player signs with another team he is not on your cap anymore. Anythhing else is just bizarre.
by Kaboomm on Jun 27, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KP seems to like to have his team in place before the season starts.
There was also an article in the Oregonian on Tuesday or Wednesday titled “KP gets his marching orders.” It made it sound like Paul Allen is putting a lot of pressure on KP to improve the team for next season. My guess is that moves will be made this summer.
by TPforprez on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good post
I get sad when fans vilify KP for not doing what they think he should. he knows more than we do. and I wonder why fans act like we didn’t win 54 games with a very young roster.
no moves this summer. maybe in february. maybe.
by bink919 on Jun 27, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
one queston
I seems that is no one is signed there still is cap room after Brandon and LA are signed, because Darius’s salary goes off. if they get 13.5 each the total will be 53 mil and still cap room left. Maybe a lot if the cap goes up that year. Can anyone enlighten?
by behindpaul on Jun 27, 2009 10:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope he doesn't wait too long
We are in a great position but the waiting is killing me.
Caron Butler? Pretty please?
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
by doublezeroduck on Jun 28, 2009 3:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No thank you.
Butler is a good player, not what this team needs though. IMO
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 28, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"After seeing Blazers’ Edge implode after not picking a backup PF in the draft"
Sir, I’d like to introduce you to Mr. Jeff Pendergraph, a 6’10" blue-collar, hard-working, board-grabbing, hustle player.
by ninjasocks on Jun 28, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As I stated above in the comments, I really should have been more specific.
I like Pendi as a draft choice.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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