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Draft Night Digest

A lot happened today and there's no way I have the energy to get it all out to you tonight.  

But let me run through some of the most exciting and pertinent information, sum up my thoughts and provide a draft grade (which is surely pointless... but whatever).

Post-Draft Availability Notes

Full Post-Draft Availibility Audio (Right Click and Save As to Download MP3) 

In the videos posted below, you might get the sense that Kevin Pritchard is a bit more excited than Nate McMillan is but that neither one really looks all that excited.  Don't read too much into that; these guys were drained.  The only time I'd seen Kevin Pritchard look as tired in the past 12 months was at the trade deadline.  I've never seen Nate McMillan look that tired in the last year.  Period. 

If you take a look at the interview I did with Nate posted below, he actually said quite convincingly that he's "happy" despite being "exhausted." If you're feeling a little unhappy with how things turned out, I understand that, just don't project those feelings onto them.

Positives

Sergio Traded

The subtraction of Sergio Rodriguez was an absolutely necessary step towards roster clarity.  Bottom line: there was no way Kevin Pritchard or Nate McMillan was going to say a negative word about Sergio but here are a few of my own words on the subject.

The team's motto last fall was 15=16: a team dynamic of self-sacrifice for the greater good.  If there was one player that didn't fully buy into that motto and really embrace it, it was Sergio Rodriguez.  He had a fundamental disagreement with the coaching staff about his role and value to a team that ended up being unresolvable. Sergio, in my opinion, has serious concerns about his future in the NBA and acts in whatever way is necessary to give himself the best chance of sticking in the league.  And, again in my opinion, he did so, at times, at the expense of team chemistry: his moodiness over playing time got in the way of his quality of play and his meltdown at practice last fall was the team's biggest off-court distraction, minus Darius Miles.

You can tell the toxic nature of the team's relationship with Sergio over the last year not only by his repeated trade demands that were floated through the Spanish media but also by the shockingly miniscule value the team received when trading him away.  Sergio is a legit backup point guard making less than 2 million dollars next season. Despite his faults his combination of skills and salary makes him a commodity to some degree. Yet the Blazers were willing to pay a cash-strapped team (who are short at the one, by the way) to take Sergio off their hands for the luxury of moving up just seven spots in the second round in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory.  Granted, that move up was a valuable commodity to the Blazers, as it allowed them to draft one of their top targets: Arizona State Power Forward Jeff Pendergraph. But make no mistake: this was a firesale. Almost reminds me of last week's Charter Cable deal.  

I'm sure there will be plenty of people who didn't want to read the previous paragraphs and who will nitpick them word by word to mount a defense of Sergio's honor.  Fine.  I understand that.  

Before you do that, know that I truly wish Sergio the best in his future NBA career.

And also know that the Blazers' locker room is a better place without Sergio in it.  Period.  And read between the lines when KP says "it was time" because it wasn't just time for Sergio, it was time for the team as well.

I asked Kevin Pritchard if Sacramento had approached the Blazers with interest in Sergio in an attempt to determine how hard it was for the Blazers to move him.  I was looking for some explanation for why the team was able to receive so little in return.  Here's his answer verbatim. 

I'm not going to go there.

What I'll tell you is that we talked to Sergio and it was time. It wasn't easy. Sergio is a heck of a player and I'm going to miss seeing him in a Blazers uniform. There are going to be nights when we are going to miss him.

It's time for Bayless to step up.

You guys know this: Sergio served very well here, did it with a lot of class and so I want to honor that. That's the big thing, honoring what he did. He was part of that turnaround. He came here and times were a little tough. He helped us win some games and I want to honor him with that.

There was also some confusion regarding whether the trade netted the Blazers another trade exception.  Here's what Pritchard had to say on that subject. Pritchard did not seem entirely sure about this and there was some back and forth discussion and I was unable to get confirmation from Tom Penn. But here's where the conversation ended...

It's a good question. I think [there's one created] for this year's [salary]. A small one. Not as big as our other one [created during the Diogu trade]. It won't be [Sergio salary for next year's] it will be [for Sergio's salary this year]. So yeah we created another exception for almost $1.6 million.

Jeff Pendergraph

I'll talk more about Pendergraph in detail later this summer but if there was a noticeable excitement among team staff today, it was with regard to Pendergraph.  As you know he was slotted at the #2 spot in my final Draft Prospect Board and the Blazers succeeded in getting their guy.  Kudos are in order. It's fun to watch plans come together like that.

Point Guards / Patty Mills

No, the Blazers didn't take Ty Lawson (or any other point guard) in the first round like I had hoped and predicted, despite the fact that he fell into a range that was definitely reachable.  The team did end up drafting a point guard, though, in the second round.  What to make of this?

First, it's clear if Lawson was really their guy they could have had him.  Indeed, he was traded by the team that drafted him for not-that-much.  We can conclude the team's interest in Lawson was not as serious as I had hoped and expected.  That's on me.

Mills was drafted for two reasons: he was a steal value at #55, as many draft boards had him going late in the first round or early in the second round.  Indeed, on Thursday morning's radio show I told Gavin Dawson I thought he might go to Sacramento in the late first round and I didn't like him for the Blazers.  Obviously I don't mind Mills at #55.

Aside from the value aspect, KP made it clear that Mills is stashable because he has a passport.  I don't expect Mills to break camp on the Blazers roster; indeed, at one point, Nate noted that the team was adding two rookies -- Pendergraph and Dante Cunningham -- and not three and said explicitly that Mills will take a backseat to Bayless at Summer League.  

One way to look at the Mills pick is that the Blazers simply drafted 2 of the top 10 or so "foreign guys" in the draft, adding to its stable of overseas talent.

The single best thing about not drafting a point guard and trading Sergio, though, is that the Blazers are now forced to make a move at the point guard position this offseason.  They cannot enter next season with only  Blake and Bayless as the point guards.  There's no foreseeable situation in which that happens.  In the end, today's draft serves as a clear indication that a point guard will be targeted via free agency or trade.  That is great news.

Negatives

Lack of Fireworks

Obviously it was disappointing to not see major draft-day fireworks.  There was a letdown in the building, not only among the media but among team staff as well. That might be partly natural because of the unreasonable buildup of expectations that go into an event like this, but it was still there.  

The confusion around the Claver pick fed into the negative feelings and, to his credit, Kevin Pritchard actively worked to hype Claver all the way up.  Am I totally thrilled with Claver?  Honestly, I'm not sure.  I need to do some real digging on him and I'm really kicking myself for not going back to look at last year's workouts list to see if any early entry candidates that ended up withdrawing had done solo workouts for the Blazers (like Claver did).  This would have been a great indication of what international prospects the team might be taking a look at this year.  

Overlooking Claver

Claver was the big time head scratcher when it happened and I was disappointed that he was not on my radar.

With a few hours to think about it, taking Claver is definitely a better long-term move than trading out of the first round entirely.  Grabbing him at #22 (and sacrificing a second round pick to do it) is surely debatable.  But virtually the same logic I used to explain why the Blazers might default to Omri Casspi if they picked at #24 can be used to defend the Claver pick at #22.

As Nate McMillan explained in his interview posted below, the team was not looking at Blair at 22.  Collison, another guy they liked, was off the board.  None of the point guards that I predicted might drop (Teague, Maynor) ended up making it to 22.  So there was a limited number of options.  

I had pegged Casspi in that spot because he had worked out well for the Blazers and they seemed to have interest.  I just didn't take that extra mental step to realize that Claver had done the exact same thing last year. Live and learn.

The positive takeaway for me here is how closely we pegged the Blazers' logic with that pick (barring a trade): in the end, a Eurostash was still preferable to totally trading out.  The team got its favorite Eurostash and none of us has the scouting background to seriously question the selection of Claver over Casspi. Only time will tell (and it could be awhile, multiple years, until Claver sees an NBA court).

Final Grade

I can't go higher than a B because it doesn't appear the Blazers added a true short-term difference-maker and they didn't make a move when a number of teams (Cleveland, Orlando, etc.) did.  Although I want to flip out about that lack of activity the subtle moves they made tonight signal a solid, flexible, aggressive approach to the free agency period.

At the end of the day, the Blazers had a total of 5 picks and they came away with 2 potential rotation guys (those two guys will probably battle for a single rotation spot) which is positive.  They got two stashes which is a long-term positive but a short-tern neutral.  

The best thing about this draft was moving Sergio to make way for Bayless and to free up cap space to target a veteran point guard.  When paying to trade away a player is your team's best move of the night, that disqualifies you from earning an A in my book.  

But given that the team enters the free agency period with flexibility intact and two nice, new prospects in Pendergraph and Cunningham, I think a B was earned.  If Claver develops like KP seems to think he will, maybe this becomes an A five years from now.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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by fanfaraway on Jun 26, 2009 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio took me for a truck ride

but I dont want to talk about it

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 26, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks tom

for saying it so i didn’t have to.

"We have a different style, a European style," he says adjusting his jacket for emphasis. "They know it's cool.''

by sergioFTW on Jun 26, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

did ben really say that?

has no one been paying attention to the team in the last 2 years?

get over it.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's tongue-in-cheek

And it’s Tom. Don’t get offended….

"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder

by jamon51 on Jun 26, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have to get over anything

He’s not the only one who can use hyperbole at Blazers Edge.

by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A "B" is too generous

If it’s not an “INC”, it’s a C at best.

by baduk on Jun 26, 2009 1:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I give it an "INC"omplete

This draft will be graded on how it enabled KP to make further moves.

by LaughingJon on Jun 26, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What grade should we give Ben?

He’s been practically lobbying for a point guard since this post.

by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the summary of your thoughts on this long draft day Ben

As for Claver, the “Ghost of NBA Draft Past” gave that idea to KP. And I agree with him that Claver is a big talent and thus had him on my Blazers draft board albeit for the original #33 pick.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/16/911916/slam-online-the-ghost-of-nba-draft
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/06/slamonline-mock-draft-victor-claver-no-24/

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2009 2:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I am not so incredibly high on getting rid of Sergio and passing on Blair to give this draft a B. I’d say a C for now, move it up to a B if Blair averages less than 70 games for the next three seasons or if Claver turns out good. Ah well.

by austinpwnz on Jun 26, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

So if a 2nd round pick gets less than 70 games per year over 3 years that makes him not worth the pick?

In the last 3 years all these guys don’t fit your description of a good enough 2nd round pick.

Brandon Roy
Martell Webster
Joel Przybilla

I’m pretty sure you’re going to be disappointed with 8 or 9 out of 10 2nd round picks. I suggest you grade Blair based on how he plays versus how Pendergraph plays. That might be a better way to go about it.

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like another great job by KP...

I for one am just as excited to have the Blazers at a point that they were not in a position to have to land a huge name in the draft. It means that Rip City has arrived.
 As for the guys we got, the biggest deal is the fact that KP has 10 mil plus (if they renounce Freeland and Kopenen) to land “the guy” who will put the team in the finals next year. I think it’s a huge point that there was only ONE guy in this draft that was going to start and contribute on day one, the rest (at least in the short term) are backups. This includes Rubio and Curry.
As for a grade, I would give the Blazers a solid B, and if they land a top shelf PG in free agency or via trade, it becomes an A.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix

by philly420pdxhilo on Jun 26, 2009 2:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't understand why people are upset with this draft, because

this is what happens when you pick in the mid to late 20’s. Obviously the team is gearing up for a trade and free agency, both of which can have a much larger impact than a late round draftee.

by ppilot on Jun 26, 2009 2:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think people, myself included

that what is perceived as a hole on this team, toughness and PF rebounding, had a chance to be filled by a guy who excels at both of those things and could have been had for a 2nd round pick.

That is my summary at least

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 26, 2009 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Pendergraph

Led nation in FG% at 67% 4" taller then Blair 79% FT’s last year. I dont no if he’ll have a better career then Blair or not but I think that KP liked his all around abilities better.

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 26, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

how about Cunningham?

Also, Blair and JP are with .5" of each other in standing reach, which is what really matters.

I am not sure how well FG% translates to the pros, but rebounding rates definitely do and that is where Blair shines.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is we want someone on the 2nd unit with low post moves

With Pryz & blair we rebound well but all were getting are jumpshots. Very 1 dimensional.No I dont expect 67% from Jeff P. but his overall offensive game opens things up far more for the 2nd unit then Blairs

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 27, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

again

how do you address Cunningham?

Blair also shot 59.3% which is pretty good as well and is younger, ie has more time to develop a post game than JP, who totally lacks a face up game BTW.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 27, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pendergraph also has both his acls...

Have we learned nothing about knees in Portland ? Bone on bone is not a long carrier running.

by FrenchieFan on Jun 26, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Roy had knee problems coming out

Greg Oden’s knee was a freak accident.

Also, there is no risk on a 2nd rounder. I dont care if his legs fall off if you put no risk into a 2nd round pick with a lot of upside and addressed an immediate need.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 27, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shoutout to jlarose78

He wasn’t being serious at the time, but back in December he wrote:

We then use our 1st round pick to take Victor Claver

Even idle thoughts can prove to be prescient. Anymore daydreams we should know about?

by jorga on Jun 26, 2009 3:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

a bit harsh on Sergio as a locker room cancer, don't you think?

I don’t know, I had a different opinion of the guy based on what I had seen (Quick’s behind the locker room pieces, video interviews). I thought he had a nice attitude, a bit of a joker thing going with the rest of the team (clothes, music, etc…) and good relationships with them (specially with Rudy and LMA).

by medmelon on Jun 26, 2009 4:40 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I agree it was too harsh

He wasn’t totally satisfied but he only publicly complained once early in the season. And Nate seemed to think it was reasonable. Plus he was really good friends with Rudy and LMA, as you mention so it wasn’t like he was Barry Bonds with the corner locker by himself. I guess when there is so LITTLE turmoil in the locker room, reportedly, we tend to exaggerate the impact that normal gripes have.

I am totally 100% behind getting rid of Sergio but we don’t need to tear him apart now. Just one year ago he had a ton of support and it’s a shame so many people are dumping on him now.

by erastus25 on Jun 26, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its borderline silly....

But when it comes to the point guard situation, Ben has no problem ripping anyone that stands in his man-crushes way, regardless if the argument has merit or not. Calling Sergio “toxic” is laughable, as is a most of Ben’s opinions towards the point guard situation. That’s all I am going to say on it, I am trying not to be a negative nellie, but this post just rubbed me the wrong way…

The Bedger formally known as ????????

by Rudiculous on Jun 26, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cancer? naah

a small case of psoriasis? maybe. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 26, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of us agree that Sergio had to go

but the petty commentary I’m hearing (and not just on this thread) about his character is indeed shameful. I’ve lost some respect for some folks that I thought were level-headed basketball fans. Just let the guy leave in peace.

by hellsfrozenover on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Claver is a very good pick

He was expected to fall to the second round because he was hurting his draft stock un purpose so he wasn’t tied to the rookie scale, but he’s lottery talent for very cheap.

Salaries are very important. Rudy and Nic are so valuable because they come for cheap. Having 2 solid rotation players for 2M is crazy, and that’s what Claver will bring.

He’ll come in 2 years, at a time when Blazers will have a hard time to add valuable talent via draft, we’re doing it the way the Spurs did it before stashing Oberto, Scola, Splitter…

A great move in a weak draft.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 26, 2009 5:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep, better in the 1st

If he is a lottery level talent, as reported, then KP has locked him into a salary rather than having to negotiate with him and potentially having Claver hold out by staying in Europe if he doesn’t get all the money he wants.

by erastus25 on Jun 26, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes....

assuming we can get him to come over at all. if he improves as expected, he’ll be giving up serious Euro-cash to come here for 4 years starting at 1 million per.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he just signed a three year deal… so if he comes over in two years, he’ll just be leaving the third year of his deal with Pamesa Valencia, not a mega-money deal.

good luck dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, but what I meant was

after that. Assuming he develops, his next Euro deal could be for much more money. He would potentially be leaving that on the table to come here for a 4-year deal starting at $1 million

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like Rudy, Sergio and Nic

It didn’t stop any of them

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 26, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all I"m saying is you have to consider it a possibiity.

Both Nic and Sergio were young and unproven – neither had multi-million Euro offers staring them in the face. Rudy did, but he wanted to come to the NBA badly, and we sold him on it.

Claver has already been rumored to say he wouldn’t come over on a rookie scale contract. Since we aren’t bringing him over now, and hoping he develops over there. It could be Rudy all over again – he blows up, and has to choose between the NBA rookie scale or making 5 times more money playing less games closer to home. Just because Rudy chose to come over doesn’t mean Claver will make the same choice.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

High risk, high reward

If he comes it’ll be the best value pick

If he doesn’t… there wasn’t much talent around anyway, hard to find someone who could crack the rotation.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he seems to be a Rudy-esque gamble. If he comes over, he can be a serious contributor and will do so at a very cost-effective price. If he doesn’t, then it was only a late first round pick.

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signability

This reminds me of the MLB draft. Teams will draft a kid (Scott Boras client?) who they know they can’t sign (he’s going to college, etc) This is called a “punt”—basically a wasted draft choice.

Perhaps Claver will take less money and eventually come over. But it’s also possible that he’s sent “I’m not coming” signals that other GMs read and decided he wasn’t worth drafting.

If KP “punted” his first round pick I can’t fault him too much, in this draft. But it’s not a habit a GM should fall into. Better to sell the 1sr round pick than try to “sell” false hope

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I remember Claver or his agent specifically wanted to be picked in the second round

So he was not bound to the rookie salary scale. Maybe in that regard it was good we picked him two spots earlier resulting in a little more money (about $100k per year). And we don’t know yet how the rookie scale in 2011 will look like.

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost positive that's the case

but I can’t say I’m too surprised Claver wanted to go in the second. It’s pretty much SOP for Euros expected to stay for a couple years.

by Royster on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought i heard the opposite

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to the Salary Cap FAQ

the rookie scale is the year in which you sign, NOT the year you are drafted
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q42

by tingeyga on Jun 26, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for confirming

i was too lazy to look it up. I was 95% sure this was the case

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't what I was looking for at all

I do like the Claver pick and see it as a good move for this team at this point in time. I really have a problem with the way the team responded to the Blair questions. They thought he would be gone by 22, so they didn’t do their homework? I can see that as an acceptable excuse the first time he passes by, but by the 3rd time that is unbelievable. If you want to take the home run swing, take the fast ball down the center, not the curve. I thought there was a reason behind it, but after reading that I have to give the team a big red F on that one. And that doesn’t stand alone.

The reason that I have such a problem with this goes back to the trade deadline. We have been sitting on a bunch of chips we just couldn’t keep for the past season. So far we’ve lost 2 of them (one huge one in the RLEC in that economy, and now Sergio). We need to get something to get us over the hump while we still have a chance. I like the Eurostash idea, but we aren’t maximizing the potential with the options we have. Sergio needed to go. Anyone can see that. But get something for him. There was nothing there when RLEC came around? Is there something better now that we’re going to do with the money? We’re down to just free agency or a trade. I understand that if you’re not happy with what’s there then you should wait for a brighter day, but our days look limited. I’m not one to criticize the front office normally. I have been on board with everything for the past 3 years and even defended them at the trade deadline, thinking they had something up their sleeve. At this point though it just seems like we are sitting on our hands and letting opportunity pass us by.

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and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Jun 26, 2009 5:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We haven't lost RLEC

Last time I checked there was still some money from that contract to sign a free agent with. And Sergio netted KP another $1.8 million trade exception – no small thing.

by erastus25 on Jun 26, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Blair answers were PR

of course they did their homework. No way they just said “well, he’ll be gone by 22, so we won’t waste time looking at him”. That’s just not plausible. They are classy guys who aren’t going to kick a guy (Blair) when he’s down, so they gave an answer about him full of PR. Don’t be upset about it.

Now, if you have a problem with them not taking him at #33, I’ve got no beef with that (and I agree with it right now), but don’t buy into the BS about them not having done their homework. They passed on him being fully aware of why, no matter what they say publicly.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why didn't they take him at #33? simple answer - Cunningham is better

I think some people may have got lost in Blair hyperbole. Maybe on KP’s draftboard, Cunningham is just flat out a better player/prospect than Blair, considering his injury history. So picking Cunningham not only make sense, but a no-brainer choice actually. Just saying.

by iverigma2 on Jun 26, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for adding that.

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and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Jun 26, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Ben, I have to respectfully disagree – I do not think there were any players (outside of maybe three or four) “true short-term difference makers” – this was not that draft, nor would it be in anyone’s truest aspirations picking in the 20s.

Sure, they didn’t make any blockbuster trades, but give them time. Draft night wasn’t the forum for that – they didn’t need more draft picks with any trades. I also think that KP has his eyes set on free agency (where there are people that fit our real needs right now) – those are the true short-term difference makers.

As for Claver, I love it. This guy is getting all sorts of pub in Spain, and if it hadn’t been for that injury in December, he may have gone earlier. A perfect stash ‘n see for a team that didn’t need a rookie on the active roster.

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by rosco_blazer on Jun 26, 2009 6:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I envision a lot of "This is not the player we got rid of" in our future.

I tell you now what I´ll say: “Yes, he is and we should have known when he was 23 and a Blazer.”

Spaniarrrrrddddd!!!!!! ;)

by amlmart1 on Jun 26, 2009 6:28 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Right on!

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, this reminds me of another PG decision, from a much earlier time.

These situations are not really all that comparable, except in one regard — I have a strong feeling that a mistake is being made.

What am I referring to? Once upon a time, the Blazers had two point guards: Darnell Valentine and Lafayette Lever. They were playing both of them roughly equal minutes, but they finally decided they needed to go with one or the other as a clear starter. They picked Valentine and shuffled Fat Lever off to Denver in one of the most infamous trades in Blazer history. They not only gave up Lever, who blossomed into a great all-around triple-doubling point guard, but they threw in Calvin Natt and Wayne Cooper (believing that the front court was too “clogged”) and got back … Kiki Vandewehe, an inveterate gunner and noted defensive non-contributer (to be nice about it).

Okay, letting Sergio go for beads and trinkets is not nearly as bad, but I do agree with our Spanish friend that it’s likely to cause considerable regret in the future.

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good history lesson

But I don’t think Sergio is going to be a triple-double machine like ‘Fat. Sometimes a guy was just in the wrong system, Sergio may do well in Sac-town, but there’s no guarantee. Lever thrived in Doug Moe’s motion offense. Would he have done as well under Jack Ramsay? We’ll never know. But FL was on his way to being one of the top 3 PGs in Blazer history

Vandeweghe and Drexler became a pretty potent offensive duo (as well as great friends with new owner Paul Allen) But the Blazers couldn’t get past the L*kers in those days. Some things never seem to change

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pulling for Sergio

in about 78 games next season. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 26, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll actually have a shot to start in Sacramento,

where Tyreke Evans will be a rookie and Beno Udrih looks like a mistake.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 26, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say that now

Until destroys the chemistry of another locker room. Sergio was the Terrell Owens of the Blazers, sure he helped the Blazers win 54 games, but Sergio is the sole reason the Blazers are not the 2009 NBA Champions.

by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now there´s a lot of pressure on Bayless.

He could be the third PG after Hinrich (or other vet) and Blake, Ougch.

He could be the second PG, being obliged to do well at the risk otherwise of being blamed in case of defeat.

I hope Bayless get the best of this opportunity and the Blazers find the PG they need.

by amlmart1 on Jun 26, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lies! Travis Outlaw lost the 2009 NBA Championship

singlehandedly.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Jun 27, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree about Sergio's value to the team being reflected in what we got for him

This was a tremendously deep PG draft, and as we’ve seen here at BE, every player in the draft is viewed as having a bright future. The last two PGs taken in the 1st round expected to be on a team this year (Teague and Maynor) were both viewed as great PG prospects in their own right, and it comes to so many teams being able to fill their PG positions that way cheaply for the next four years rather than having to re-up Sergio after this year.

Yeah, he’s on a cheap contract now, but what if he has a year like Beno did in SA before signing with Sacto. Isn’t it more likely that teams would rather have had Maynor or Teague for 4 years than deal with the possibility of having to give Ssrgio $15-16 million over 4 years?

Besides, as much as we talk about NY or GS, did either of those teams have any assets that we’d want? GS certainly seemed to have a lot of their assets tied up in this Biedrins/Wright-Amare trade, and even then, I don’t think it’s a damning assessment of Sergio to say he isn’t worth a guy who was the 8th pick two years ago, and the less said about NY’s ability to give us anything in a trade, the better. So we ended up getting a backup PF that we really liked for Sergio and a 2nd rounder. Is that really a terrible return on Sergio’s talent? Yeah, he might have been there at 33, but given that Sacto took Brockman at 38, it’s hard to imagine they’d pass on ’graph at 31.

Like Ben said, though, this, or something like it was absolutely necessary. I’ve said before that a player doesn’t have to be a cancer for the “addition by subtraction” theory to come into effect. It’s just completely unfeasible to have 11 guys on a team itching to play and constantly fighting for PT. It sounds good to have guys fight it out for playing time, but the losers in the battle basically become worthless to the team. Teams need professionals with defined roles to be able to sit on the bench and be okay with going hard in practice and only playing once every two weeks. Does anyone believe Bayless would have been happy playing 600 minutes again this year?

by Royster on Jun 26, 2009 6:45 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

Well said

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 26, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder

by jamon51 on Jun 26, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with Ben's "toxic nature" statement.

“You can tell the toxic nature of the team’s relationship with Sergio … by the shockingly miniscule value the team received when trading him away.”

I can’t go along with the logic that we got poor value for him therefore it must have been a good trade because he must have been toxic because we got such poor value for him.

Getting good value for a player has to be the first criteria in considering the merits of a trade. If Ben’s point was strictly that is was a “fire sale,” then I’ll go along with that. But it was couched in two paragraphs supporting the deal and it was lined up like it was further proof of what a good deal it was. Just saying.

by cantdunk on Jun 26, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its waay to early to grade

this draft night for the Blazers…I am fully confident in KP and the work that is staff is doing to continue to build this team into a contender. From most accounts, and by the actions of them picking up Carter, Orlando has no intentions of resinging Hedo…What are the chances that PDX sings him to a large multi-year deal? I know this doesnt totally solve our issue at a third 1 guard, but surely there will be a vet out there that won’t cost us an arm and a leg…I mean, I love Jason Kidd, but come on…wouldnt you rather spend that money on someone like Hedo? What are your thoughts, Ben?

by easternO on Jun 26, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For me, the best part of this draft

was knowing that it marked the beginning of the end for Ben’s over-hyping of Bayless consistently at the expense of bashing Sergio needlessly. Hopefully with this post representing the ridiculous peak, from here on it will fade into the distance.

"We have a different style, a European style," he says adjusting his jacket for emphasis. "They know it's cool.''

by sergioFTW on Jun 26, 2009 7:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've always been anti-Sergio...

but I’ve got to agree that it was almost shameful to watch half of BE go from strongly supporting him to constantly bashing him. Hopefully everyone learned their lesson and the same thing won’t happen to Outlaw.

by erastus25 on Jun 26, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why pass on Blair

I was disappointed that Blazers passed on Blair. I understand not picking him in the 1st round because the Blazers wanted to preserve free agent money. Passing on him early in the 2nd round floored me. I found some solace in the fact that lots of other teams passed on him until the Spurs stepped up and picked him. The Spurs are masters of picking up winning players in the late 1st round and 2nd round. The Spurs scored again! Ultimately, the Blazers draft grade will be based on how Blair does compared to Pendergraph or Cunningham in the NBA.

by Turnout on Jun 26, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

> Ultimately, the Blazers draft grade will be based on how Blair does compared to Pendergraph or Cunningham in the NBA.

I agree, that will be the test to really evaluate this draft.

I like Pendergraph. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 26, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Blazers have suffered enough over Greg's knees.

Pendergraph playing 12-15 minutes a night will be perfect for him and the team unless Blair turns into the second coming of Charles Barkley, and KP will sleep better at night not having to worry about getting a 3 a.m. call from Blair’s knee doctor.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and KP will sleep better at night not having to worry about getting a 3 a.m. call from Blair’s knee doctor.

but a second-round pick? Why would you stress over a second round pick?

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would a GM not care?

$1 million expense each season… needs to play and play well to keep starter’s minutes down… you like your guys and want them to succeed.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 26, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a second round pick… if it works out, great! The success rate is so very low that even getting a year or two of production out of a guy at 33 is doing really, really well.

Plus, I don’t see an ethical problem, either. RC Buford is one of the classiest GMs in the league, and he felt taking Blair was alright. The kid never missed as much as a practice due to his knees at Pitt. I think the risk here is being a teensy bit overstated.

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Freeman said the doctors couldn't even FIND Blair's knees.

The Spurs had nothing to lose and rolled the dice on Blair. KP felt he could get a player mostly as good, to play a backup role, and count on him being able to grow with the team.

After Darius, I think the Blazers have had enough fun with the medical retirement route.

Plus one report on Blair said he didn’t like to hit the weights, FWIW.

What is this ethical problem to which you refer?

by MiledAnimal on Jun 26, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, it's no wonder Tom Penn handles the financial aspects of transactions over Kevin Pritchard.

For everyone’s info, the trade exception created from the Sergio Rodriguez trade is worth only $874,000.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09teamsalaries.htm

The NBA fiscal year doesn’t rollover until 7/1/2009, so any trades consummated prior to the July moratorium are based on player salaries from this past season.

by AK1984 on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i caught that too

KP’s answer was half-right. he did say the TE would be based on Sergio’s salary this year, not next year. He then specifically quoted next year’s salary. But I’ll give KP the benefit of the doubt, he was likely dead dog tired.

doubtful at this point that either the Ruffin or Sergio TPE’s get used – they go away once we clear cap space.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the team doesn't clear cap space, a $874,000 trade exception is way too miniscule to be ...

of much value. Because minimum-level contracts can be absorbed in transactions without the 125% + $100,000 rule coming into play, that trade exception would only be useful in obtaining a guy who’s paid rather cheaply, albeit above the minimum for someone of their tenure in the NBA. An example of that would be, oh, Kyrylo Fesenko or Mario Chalmers.

by AK1984 on Jun 26, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

getting rid of sergio = priceless

i was tired of reading links to his whining about not getting enough PT. I like him and what he brings, but Dave’s overall complaint that he can’t defend is reason enough to take the over 2 million dollar overall loss or whatev (it is paul allen’s money anyway). To essentially swap him for mills, who can actually make layins, be stashed down under if need be, and won’t whine about being 3rd string, as far as we know, is a good move.

"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."

-LaughingJon

by appel82 on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sergio wanted to be traded

Bayless needs another year and more minutes to proove he can or can’t defend. Blake is more of a floor general on both ends of the floors, communicating to other players, even if he isn’t athletic enough to keep up with some players. You had 3 incomplete PGs, one of which ASKED to be traded, what is the thing to do?

MillsFanBoy

by appel82 on Jun 26, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

The ‘almost $1.6 million’ is the amount of salary (and potentially in cap space) saved in 2009-10.

He’d had a long day. KP had the correct figure in his mind – the amount of potential cap space. The $874,000 trade exception is irrelevent.

by Storyteller on Jun 26, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely a B

And I say that based totally on the second round. Jeff Pendergraph is the perfect change of pace to LMA. He’s a banger that is all hustle. Most of his offense comes with his back to the basket, although he can face up and hit a 10-12 footer as well. Plus, his defense, rebounding and shot blocking ability will be a welcome change from what Outlaw provided in his role as the backup 4 last season. He will be exactly what the Blazers need for 10-15 minutes a night behind LMA.

Also, don’t dismiss Mills just yet. Remember, nobody thought that Batum would make the roster even after summer league last year, including KP and Nate. Mills is Aaron Brooks quick, can finish around the basket with either hand, shoots the three with a great deal of accuracy and is a pesky defender. Don’t forget that Mills showed the Redeem Team (among others) his skills last summer over in Beijing when he represented Austrailia. The guy can ball, and I honestly think that he could make the roster as the third PG behind Blake (or Hinrich) and Bayless.

by '03CouveCoug on Jun 26, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

I like the Mills pick too – I was shocked that he was still there at 55. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 26, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we move Blake for Hinrich (or another PG)

then we still need a 3rd PG. Right now I’d say we would probaby aim for a vetern guy on a minimum salary to ride the pine, and be ready to play in an emergency. but if Mills really impresses this summer, I suppose it could be him instead.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably right about the vet...

But ONLY if you can find a vet PG for the minimum. If not, I say put Mills behind Blake (Hinrich, Sessions, whoever) and Bayless and let him soak up knowledge.

by '03CouveCoug on Jun 26, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that role, Anthony Carter would be my first choice.

Y’know, I’d feel comfortable with an experienced, methodical floor general like Carter out there at point guard versus a me-first gunner like Jerryd Bayless. Carter is a defensive-minded player, too, which’d be an added bonus.

by AK1984 on Jun 26, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

Thought he might even be a late first-rounder.

by '03CouveCoug on Jun 26, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question about stashing players overseas

Ben says that Mills is stashable because of his passport. Is it possible to draft and American player and then “encourage” him to play in Europe for a couple years?

Not that many players would want to do that, but is it possible?

by tingeyga on Jun 26, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a good question, which I answered last night.
“Yes, domestic players can go the international route and keep their draft rights intact. Like for example, Rashard Griffith (1995), Venson Hamilton (1999), Kyle Hill (2001), Steve Logan (2002), Mario Austin (2003), Trent Plaisted (2008), Deron Washington (2008), James Gist (2008), Maarty Leunen (2008), DeVon Hardin (2008), and Shan Foster (2008) are guys who play overseas so the team that owns their draft rights can retain them.”

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/25/925811/press-release-on-second-rounders#17443656

by AK1984 on Jun 26, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

another point

I think the EU limits teams to two foreigners per team. Guys like Calathas, who hold a European passport, don’t count toward that limit, so the European teams can still employ 2 other Americans.

Not sure if Mills’ would qualify though – as far as I know, Australia is not in the EU

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A first-rate Euroleague team like Olympiacos could use an undersized, albeit sharp-shooting ...

combo guard in the mold of Patty Mills to play behind Lynn Greer—especially since Jannero Pargo sucked in that role and will likely return to the United States next season. Plus, due to the fact that Olympiacos uses taller guards like Theodoros Papaloukas and Yotam Halperin as de facto floor generals, Mills’ relatively small stature wouldn’t hinder him.

by AK1984 on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For international tournaments like Euroleague or Eurochallenge FIBA lifted the limit of two foreign players in 2000

National leagues can make their own domestic rules. There are less restrictions for EU citizens, while not complete equality in most leagues. There can also be differences between “under contract” and “active roster”. It caused e.g. Jennings to be cut for the playoffs when Roma needed a player on another position as insurance. Here are current quotas (via BallinEurope.com)

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good info - thanks!

what is “Cotonou” ?

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those who can't quite remember the lessons of grade school, 15 does NOT equal 16.

15 = 16. That’s a cute little slogan that somebody cooked up last summer, and I truly hope it wasn’t KP! Management folks are forever coming up with such things — mission statements, covenants, etc. — that they hope will substitute for critical thinking at some point.

It’s definitely the case that in a team sport like basketball, it helps to have a cohesive group of people working together for similar goals. But it’s not realistic, nor is it fair, to expect everyone to sacrifice every last little vestige of self-interest to the common good.

It’s instructive to consider the different expectations for management personnel under these conditions. Where was the outcry when Tom Penn was considering signing up with Memphis recently? Isn’t he just supposed to work his 80-hour weeks without complaint and accept whatever role and responsibility is provided him? Well, he leveraged that little adventure into a promotion and a raise while being showered with praise by the rest of the organization.

It’s generally supposed that Nate and KP, while agreeing on some things, nevertheless have some points of disagreement. KP is thought to favor a longer term approach to a championship, relying heavily on youthful talent, whereas Nate is presumed to want immediate veteran assistance. What if the Blazers were to clearly pursue the path favored by KP and ended up losing more playoff rounds? Would anybody fault Nate for looking elsewhere for a coaching job, where his philosophy was shared more fully by the rest of the organization? I don’t think so. It doesn’t really matter whether there is any substantive issue dividing Nate and KP — but again, it’s instructive to imagine the situation and assess our feelings about it.

It seems to me that players have just as much of a right as their bosses to ensure that their careers are productive, satisfying, and profitable. Of course, in a world where 15 = 16, that might not be true.

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

meltdown at practice?

Somehow I can’t recall such an incident. What happened? I am just curious.

by iverigma2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he's referring to Sergio's emotional turmoil

at the time that his Spanish agent had spoken out in a Spanish-press interview. Sergio seemed conflicted. He wasn’t happy with his situation on the team, which had apparently regressed, but he seemed very uncomfortable being asked about it by local media. To me, it just showed that Sergio was in a difficult position, that he cared about both the team and his own career, and that he was still a very young fellow who had no experience dealing with controversy.

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio started crying, at practice

because he “wanted to play”

that is a meltdown.

s

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, you can call that a meltdown.

Other incidents, involving other people, that have been called ‘meltdowns’ have variously involved screaming, name-calling, chair-throwing, and more. It’s not the best word to use if your aim is to communicate very specifically. On the other hand, it works just fine if your goal is mainly to discredit somebody.

You can say he was crying because he ‘wanted to play’, but I think that would be both inaccurate and, again, something that is intended as a put-down. I have no special information about the incident, but I do have a reasonable amount of intelligence and empathy which lead me to believe the actual situation was a great deal more complex. I suspect that he:

  • did want to have a predictably regular and non-trivial role on the team
  • was otherwise very happy with his relationships involving teammates
  • had gotten to like living in Portland
  • wanted to be part of a winning, possibly a championship, team
  • was embarrassed by the public attention resulting from his Spanish agent’s interview
  • was afraid that his career might be in jeopardy
  • might have begun to think that he would have been more successful and happier had he stayed and played in Europe
  • might have heard some especially harsh criticisms of his play or of his desire to obtain clarification of his role and future in Portland.

Crying is a healthy response that many people have when under great emotional stress. There’s no shame in it, especially under those circumstances, and bearing in mind his youth and the considerable difficulty for anyone having to live in a foreign country, away from friends and family and ones native tongue and culture.

Have a heart.

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 26, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that?

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Jun 27, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A good nights sleep...

Thanks Ben. I feel better. I was bummed last night because I am so used to KP just pritchslapping everyone and got a little to hyped up about what to expect. In the end, even though we didnt make a big trade or land what I considered to be a major prospect, we still are better off than we were at the start of the draft. I still dont like giving up Sergio for so little, but I guess we needed to clear salary and he wanted to move anyways. What all this draft stuff or lack of means is that we are going to target a Freaa Agent PG and we will be involved in some trades. I cant wait to see how it all plays out. Again thanks Ben for the great DDAY report.

by cavejunctionblazer on Jun 26, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Way too soon to grade it for me

I mean, I’d be tempted to give it a “C”…but that’s really not fair, because we/I may not be seeing the importance of any of the moves/picks, which may only become apparent after free agency or future trades have been completed…or when/if the foreign talent ever suit up in the black, white, and crimson.

I have to disagree with this portion of Ben’s assessment:

“The single best thing about not drafting a point guard and trading Sergio, though, is that the Blazers are now forced to make a move at the point guard position this offseason.

Like many others, I believe we needed to make changes at the point. I think Bayless needs more time to develop into hopefully a Tony Parker-like PG to run with Roy. I like Blake, but see him really as a stop-gap type guy – I think we’ve already seen the best he has to offer, and while it is quality, it’s not (imho) quite good enough to be our #1 PG as we enter the “championship window”.

The problem with Ben’s point is that what we have now done is effectively back ourselves into a corner. Everyone now knows we MUST get a PG. By sticking with the Blake/Sergio/Bayless rotation all of last year KP built up a lot of bargaining power – other teams couldn’t low-ball us on trade offers, since we were OK rolling with the trio we had. Now they KNOW we need a point. Our hole there has been exposed, for everyone to see and exploit.

Ultimately I didn’t really think drafting yet another rookie was the way to satisfy our PG need – I’d rather address that hole through trade or free agency – but I would have loved to see us take a step towards solving our issues at the point, instead it looks like we took a step back.

Perhaps that step back was in anticipation of a HUGE leap forward, but now everyone sees it coming and it’s harder to “Pritchslap” someone when they see it coming.

by the_mad_nader on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mills was in my top 10 most exciting things from the olympics last year, so I'm pleased that we have him, even if he dosen't play till next year:
alright norsk, who were your top 10 olympic stander-outers?

mine are probably:

10. M. Gasol
9. P. Mills
8. the Chinese’s jumpshots
7. Calderon – i thought he looked like a 2 guard, but awesome
6. can’t remember six, was too early in the morning when i watched the games
5. lithuania in general – the US stomped them in exhibition but they really came out and competed-check grammar on that sentence.
4. Kobe – as much as balzers hate him, he played very well and was fun to watch play amazing perimeter d, something the blazers could study
3. Coach K – super intense military guy, really inspiring at times
2. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy
1. Dwayne Wade – Bejing MVP IMHO

by appel82 on Dec 1, 2008 8:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/12/1/676558/monday-junk-dec-1-08#10372128

"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."

-LaughingJon

by appel82 on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sergio about leaving Portland:
What memories do you leave in Portland?

Many, and all good ones. They have been three fantastic years, in which the fans, the press and franchise have treated me very well. It is not a fault of anybody, simply it has not worked out like we thought, and that´s all. I leave many friends there.

by amlmart1 on Jun 26, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

class act

doesn’t deserve all the vitriol he gets here on BE. The kids got some skills, and got some defenciencies too. Bottom line is it’s a bad fit stylistically? Why does that mean we have to hate on him?

Good luck Sergio!

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's how I see it

Sometimes breakups happen and no one is really mad about it. You just realize that the relationship has run its course and it is time to move on.

by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Questions:

#1: At the end of the K.P. video I thought he was asked where he thought Bayless would have been drafted if he was coming out this year. I could not hear the response, but it is an interesting question as to how he would compare with the 10 that went in the first round.

#2: If an American college player with Rudy’s frame and weight (but without the international experience and reputation) was available, how likely is it that any team would draft him? Does his shooting prowess compensate for his defensive liabilities? Was a comparable player available in the draft this year?

by kacee on Jun 26, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry

That’s my take and I’m sticking to it. Steph is shorter and is a better penetrator, but neither is a true PG and would never see the floor if they weren’t great shooters

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rudy is a good team defender

He probably does more good stuff that you don’t see because it is covered by the team game. Where if he gets beat one and one, you’ll see it every time.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jun 27, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He gets caught in no mans land all the time

He’s a good ballhawk and has good instincts and reactions to get steals, and I like that.

In a team defense though, he’ll leave his man when he isn’t supposed to, or worse he’ll be inbetween his man and someone else’s and guarding no one.

He’ll get better, I think he’ll be a smart defender eventually. And a good thief who can gamble more as LMA and Oden lock down the basket more.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

     You hit in on the head. Rudy’s a gambler ! He’s not a physical
or disciplined defender, but a gambler who plays in the passing lanes.
This hurts your team defense, because it leaves his man open on a
missed gamble and the team has to rotate quickly or give up a open
jumper/ slash to the basket. As GO & Smooth get more comfortable playing
off each other, they will be able to cover for some of these wing gambles.
     When Rudy is successful in his gamble, it’s great, but he will get better
at picking his spots. Recovery will improve as well !

      GET A DEAL DONE COINCAST !! YEAR # 3 is on the HORIZON !
                            GO BLAZERS !!!!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jun 27, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The empirical evidence suggests that Rudy helps team defense

It seems like he is usually pretty good about not gambling in situations where it would cause serious problems if the gamble fails, and he is able to recover quickly when he gets out of position.

by trk on Jun 28, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best part about draft day was...

Getting rid of Sergio.

Addition by subtraction if you ask me.

Him and his whining were getting a little old.

by lrh86 on Jun 26, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

      BRex and his insane work ethic, physical skills and determination
+ 20 minutes backup PG will kick in this season !
       You don’t need long arms, if you have giant legs & BIG teeth !!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jun 27, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if KP did miss on Blair

I have faith he will learn from his mistakes. Its only his 3rd draft!

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jun 27, 2009 1:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Below is a

link.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Jun 27, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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